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Sorry, I'm back on the "Xplatform-only games" categories! :) A user is adding Xbox 360 games that were also released on the PC to to Category:Xbox 360-only games with the edit summary: "Added category to show CONSOLE exclusivity. The Xbox 360-only category does not mean platform exclusivity ( really used elsewhere more than here).". [1] What do people think of this? Miremare 17:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and created the new category being discussed above: Category:Xbox 360 and PC exclusive games . Unless there are strong objections to this from other editors, I'd say go ahead and start adding this category to games where the rule specified on the Category page is true. (If a game is also available on the Mac, it doesn't fit.) — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 00:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
In an encyclopedia "exclusive" should mean exclusive, not what Microsoft or Sony or whoever want it to mean. However, we should decide exactly what games fall into this: the 360-only category currently says that "games in this category are not available on other video game consoles, personal computers, or mobile devices". My point is that if a 360 game has a version released for mobile phones (or whatever), should it no longer be an exclusive despite the fact that mobile versions rarely bear any resemblance to console versions? It should be the game itself rather than the game's title that decides exclusivity. Miremare 16:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
PSNetwork and PS3-Only/XBLA and XBox360-only/Wiiware and Wii-only
How do we treat these? PSN, XBLA, Wiiware are only means of distribution just like Valve's Steam does for the PC. I'm asking this because as
Hahnchen has also experienced a serious disagreement with
Bean23 about this.
Bean23 doesn't consider any games distributed by these services as being exclusive to the platform and hence removes/reverts all additions to *-only categories. I've already started a discussion about this in the PS3-Only category but only found out about this discussion-page today :-|. I was also wondering how he would treat a game like Warhawk or SOCOM:Confrontation because those two will be distributed on PSN as a download and from retail on BD, but he didn't answer me about those two.
Can or can't games distributed by these services by classified as 'Only' games if it really is not a port or remake (HD versions) from a different platform?
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Stef Nighthawk 15:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Calling for clarification and consensus: Should we include the Achievements list for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Arcade games? Some articles have them, others don't, and it seems a consensus has not been reached on this issue yet. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 17:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
For WP, these are totally useless. They're more guidelike than the point lists. There is already the section on the xbox live page about gamerscore, so any information should be able to fit into that paragraph. However, this info would be awesome on strategywiki, so if you see some, either leave me a message, or just take it over there. -- Prod-You 02:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
What are you thoughts on this category? This is a big marketing push to brand all games as Games for Windows which match a certain criteria. I don't think that the criteria is strong enough, or the platform focused enough to form a strong category. The games that will inevitably fall into this are too disparate, and given that we have Category:Windows games, not that useful. Kill it? - hahnch e n 19:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's marketing, but we can cover that marketing in an impartial and neutral way, so the category sounds OK. Andre ( talk) 00:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Who here believes that ideally, the lead image should be from the most recent primary game (for example, New SMB Bowser versus Brawl Bowser)? - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
What does everyone think, another AFD nomination? It's went through 2 from the talk page (I believe 3 though, not sure why the other isn't listed). Let me point out a few examples from the article: Bully Special Edition — special case, dodge ball, comic book. and Ultimate Spider-Man Limited Edition — includes four characters biographies, an interview with Stan Lee, a making of video, tips and trick and a special edition Ultimate Spider-Man comic book. The package has a Venom theme. Why exactly should people even want to care about this? All media has special editions, a whole list of them doesn't seem notable to me. DVDs have many special and/or collector, limited editions: no list here (that I know of). Same thing with CD's and so on. This is simply trivial listcruft/fancruft in my view. Yes, video games have special editions, it doesn't mean we need to list each and every one of them. If anything: put the notable information on each article, and leave it at that. If someone wants to nominate it, feel free. I've had problems nominating articles that have went in AFD before, and I'm not sure why (I follow the steps correctly and all that). RobJ1981 18:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know that List of video games by genre was deleted through AfD here; shame it wasn't put on the list of video game deletions. I don't know which way I would have !voted, but it's possible more specific video game genre lists will be nominated. Marašmusïne Talk 19:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Animal Crossing. Currently there is a grand total of six Animal Crossing articles (from what I see). Is it really necessary to have a task force about it? I see it as unhelpful, and it could possibly encourage others to make more smaller taskforces. If people want to fix the small group of articles: fine, ask here. From what I've seen: small and broad projects/task forces end up dying after only a short period. RobJ1981 05:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to have too many references. I've currently been adding references to the Fire Emblem article. I'm pushing it for GA, so will the level of references be to the detriment of the article and chances of GA? Ashnard Talk Contribs 13:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I've submitted Super Nintendo Entertainment System as a Featured article candidate. Please talk a look at the article and give your input. Is it worthy of being the third video game console FA, joining Nintendo Entertainment System and Wii? Anomie 00:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let everyone know, this article passed and is now rated FA-class. :) — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 22:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
The debate was sparked over the removal of car and track lists as per WP:NOT. The data has since been converted into general paragraphs, but the change has been rejected by one editor and several anonymous editors who insist on being allowed to write the article as they see fit — targeted to LFS players. I have repeatedly suggested that they seek more experienced opinions from WP:VG, but they seem content with counting their own straws. Additionally, one user has rejected the fact that LFS is under the domain of the Video games WikiProject, refusing to acknowledge that LFS is a video game, instead claiming that is a racing simulator. Despite sim racing being considered gaming, and despite the game categories removed and the WP:VG banner on the Talk page, no response has been gained regarding this inconsistency. Instead, the anonymous editors are continuing the debate and are considering arbitration.
Additionally, User:E dog95 has gone an editing spree on all sim racing articles and removed all mention of "computer game" on the basis of his opinion that simulators are not games.
I don't think it's necessary to go that far, especially when there are plenty of experienced editors here who can offer their input. Whether the LFS editors like it or not, LFS is under WP:VG's scope, and I kindly ask editors to comment on the debate to avoid going through the arbitration process unnecessarily. -- Scottie_theNerd 04:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's some more listcruft, reported to the overzealous de-lister Scottie the nerd and still no change, yet there's all out war on the lists on LFS...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Need_for_Speed_%28video_game%29 Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed_II Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed_III:_Hot_Pursuit Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_High_Stakes Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Porsche_Unleashed Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_City_Online Car list X Track List Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Hot_Pursuit_2 Car list X Track List Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Underground Car list X Track List Character list X Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Underground_2 Car list X Track List Character list X Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Most_Wanted Car list X Track List Character list Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Carbon Car list X Track List Character list X Soundtrack list X Crew list X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_ProStreet Car list X Track List Character list Soundtrack list X Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Need_for_Speed_soundtracks Car list Track List Character list Soundtrack list X Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Need_for_Speed_locations Car list Track List X Character list Soundtrack list Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Need_for_Speed_characters Car list Track List Character list X Soundtrack list Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_2 Car list Track List Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4 Car list Track List Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFactor Car list X Unofficial (MOD) car list X Track List X Unofficial (MOD) track List X Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either Leagues list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Legends Car list X Unofficial (MOD) car list X Track List X Unofficial (MOD) track List (link) X Lengthy desction of either X Leagues list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTR_-_FIA_GT_Racing_Game Car/Team list X Track List X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT_Legends Car list X Track List X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Racing_2003_Season Unofficial (MOD) car list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOCA_Touring_Car_series Car/Team list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080%C2%B0_Avalanche Car list Track List X Soundtrack list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4x4_EVO_2 Car list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATV_Offroad_Fury Soundtrack list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McRae:_DiRT Car list X <------- OF THE FRIGGIN' DEMO! Track List X <------- OF THE FRIGGIN' DEMO!
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Hades Nebula is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! -- B. Wolterding 13:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
This user keeps on pointless removing cover art and replacing it with his own. It usually goes from Xbox 360 -> Playstation 3. I doubt he actually works for Sony, but myself and some other editors have warned him on his talk page about this, yet he continues to do so. Articles affected include Army of Two (video game), BlackSite: Area 51, Def Jam: Icon, Assassin's Creed and more. This guy has an agenda and I wouldn't put it past him to resort to sockpuppets. If anyone here could just delete the offending images, or just block this guy, that'd be great. I'm probably going to file 3RR against him. - hahnch e n 21:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
People are having a dispute over some content on the Fighting game article. Several people (including myself) have deleted a section from the article, and it keeps being added back. Someone accused me of working for "NAMCO, TECMO and SEGA" for removing irrelevant links to external sites. Read Talk:Fighting game to see what I'm talking about. Could people please offer there opinions on the subject (on the Talk page)? It is not an ad for Kwonho, and it could be a decent article otherwise. JohnnyMrNinja 06:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, another one to debate: Music games and their track lists. Guitar Hero and Boom Boom Rocket both have track lists, and their lists of tracks aren't enormous. Dance Dance Revolution has an entire separate article listing all the tracks available in the series. My question: Do these also qualify as lists of minutiae? I believe they do, but given that these are music/rhythm games where the music is the primary focus, I can see the argument for letting them stay. Still, I don't see them as any different than a list of levels in a platform game, or a list of cars in a racing game - they are details about the game that aren't really needed to understand the game as a whole, are they? — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 19:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
My point is that if we want to be consistent on the policies in general, we should think of all these things as essentially "lists of levels" and define what level of information on these levels is appropriate, and apply that definition to all articles. The guidelines do this already for most content, but there are some cases where it's still a little ambiguous, like with short music track lists. Still, I propose that:
...ALL be treated the same: Unless there's something particularly notable about one or more specific entries in these lists, the lists should not be included at all. Any notable information should be briefly described in prose (for example, "The songs in Guitar Hero II include hits such as 'Carry On Wayward Son' by Kansas, 'You Really Got Me' by Van Halen, and 'Trogdor' from the Homestar Runner cartoon series."), but should not be a reason to exhaustively list all of the information in that category. People don't need to see the track list to understand what the game is about - if they're interested in seeing the full list of songs (or whatever) in the game, we provide (or should provide) a link to the game's official homepage, where that info will be listed. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 21:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems today became a popular date to asses these articles, Devil May Cry 3 got reassesed from "Mid" to "Low" under the rationable of "Surely if the first DMC is of low importance, than this one is too" [3], oddly enought a few minutes later Devil May Cry got reassesed [4] from "Low" to "Mid". Now I came here to reach a consensus because there has never been a balance regarding the importance of the three titles in the series even if they basically enjoy the same level of sales numbers. - 凶 21:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I have propsed new stub categories for Atari, Take Two, Ubisoft, and Sony Computer Entertainment. See the proposals here.
I have proposed the following stub category name changes (see the proposals here):
JohnnyMrNinja 23:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Can some people keep an eye on Marvel: Ultimate Alliance for changes? I have it in my watch list (again), because of people re-adding game guide content. I've told them not to do it (one in the past, one recently), but I somehow bet others will re-add it. The section is known as future: and it describes how to get special endings by doing certain things. It's certainly game guide content, not suitable for here. RobJ1981 05:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Since they were cancelled they are not notable and I believe they should be deleted. Is this acceptable? Marlith 23:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Marlith 01:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
But I think that there should be articles for cancelled games by company - ie, merge articles into a list of sorts, and unmerge if it can be shown that they are notable cancelled games. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I think it's ready to be nominated, but I don't know whether I should put it in the assessment requests. Other users before have advised me not to go through this process if I want a proper assessment and I'm unsure whether that's the place to go for GA nominations. Please will somebody advise me on what to do? Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm proposing a new whose duties would include:
Anyone interested? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Can I get some input on pages such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements/May 2007 and Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Deletion Archive. The brainless monotony of maintaining these just means that no one can ever be bothered to update our new article announcements or deletion lists (an editor has even <small>ened the text for the past deletions instead of moving them across. I can never be bothered to maintain these archives, kill? - hahnch e n 22:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Age of Empires, couldn't figure out which [edit] to click on to add it. ~ JohnnyMrNinja { talk} 05:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Characters of Final Fantasy VIII is a featured article, yet contains no screenshots, relying entirely on artwork and cutscenes. Since the game is notable for using realistically proportioned characters and body language, this seems like an oversight. Your comments would be most welcome at Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy VIII#Problems with this article.-- Nydas (Talk) 16:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I came across this today, it's a list of AO rated computer/video games. It seems to be listcruft and/or fancruft to me. If no one objects, I might AFD it. RobJ1981 06:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why do the articles have to have japanese titles following english titles. They're long, with japanese characters first and then an romanization. They're an eyesore and honestly I don't know what purpose do they serve. Not to mention most of the time the romanization is exactly the same as the english title, with the only difference being the obvious japanese engrish pronunciation. Is there a way to incorporate this info into the infobox or superscript link to the bottom of the page? Blueshirts 21:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello, could I have some advice please, I'm trying to add a new image for the infobox of Paperboy (video game), as currently it features the opening screen and doesn't look right. Questions:
Any help appreciated. QuagmireDog 12:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
This has been mentioned a few times above, but the likes of Marvel: Ultimate Alliance's "voice actors" section and articles like Runescape gods are just not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Unfortunately, as long as the the editors of articles like Runescape gods are falling over each other to type Keep! Keep! Keep! at ALL its AFDs we're unlikely to ever get rid of these non-notable irrelevances. No one can credibly claim that this is a subject worthy of an individual encyclopedia entry, or provide sources to satisfy WP:N, or realise that Runescape being notable doesn't mean everything in it is notable, but the articles remain because there are so many fanboys intent on it. This seems to me to be a problem which tends to be overlooked with video game articles (which appear to attract cruft like crap attracts flies), and I think it's to the detriment of Wikipedia. Not to mention the endless articles full of game guide content. It seems whenever these are removed they get put back again, either straight away or gradually. I'm fully expecting people to disagree with me, but meh. If only there was a policy specifically stating what's notable and includable for a video game... So yes, getting to the point, is it possible to propose one, would there be support for one, and if so what should be in it? Miremare 19:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at Beautiful Katamari, there's been an editing mini-war going on, specifically over the inclusion of the Wii version in the lead and infobox. Quick history: Namco-Bandai announced BK for 360 and PS3 early this year, PS3 recently has been dropped, and while the industry rumor is that the Wii version has been taken up over the PS3, there has been no official N-B announcement of this (the 360 version remains the only officially announced one). We have a section on these Wii reports in the body of the article, which to me is ok as they're all cited, but people are continually trying to justify the Wii version as being "confirmed", and thus should be included in the infobox and lead. A similar deal is happening with Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney where there's an issue that despite an official trailer (though linked through youtube, so a possible copyvio), there's an issue within including a France TBD release date in the info box.
My personal take is that if the developing/publishing company has officially announced a platform, a release for a given country, or any other details for a game, it should be included in the infobox and lead, but if not, despite having strong rumor or close sources saying that it's in development, it should not be included -- basically, the infobox should be telling me the best and correct known-to-date information about the game, and should not include speculation even if it is well sourced. I'm just trying to see if there's precedent for this from before to put the editing wars to rest. -- Masem 16:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
On Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy VIII#Problems part 2, I've argued that we should mainly use the in-game names of the characters. See Talk:E. Honda for similar dispute. To me, it's terribly in-universe to use a character's 'full' name, especially if that name rarely or never appears in the actual game(s). -- Nydas (Talk) 20:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
{{ Super Smash Bros. series}} is ugly as hell. Since all I get is bitched at when I try to cut down a bloated, ugly template, could someone please fix it? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 03:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Mario#External links, plus all the links to relatively minor characters, etc. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The reason why it's like that is because it was nominated for TFD on June 2, the rationale was that the characters and the games navboxes are redundant to each other and could be combined. I futilely argued that they should be kept separate, per precedent with other fighting game series. hbdragon88 04:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
This is currently being reviewed for GA, however, there's a problem concerning the name. In the West, it was named just Fire Emblem as it was the first Western installment. However, this is the same name of the series to which it belongs, causing confusion when referring to it as just "Fire Emblem". So now it's called Fire Emblem (Game Boy Advance), which the The Rambling Man has deemed unsuitable for problems concerning amiguity etc. So, how can this be tackled? Should it be moved to the Japanese name, the rough Japanese translation, or anything else? Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 09:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Currently I know of these (which I've done some on, so far). I havent played all of them, and I'm not expert on all either, so any help is needed.
That's all I can think of right now. Feel free to add some, if you want. I will try to help with other articles listed here also. RobJ1981 05:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, there's a lot of these. I'll list the one I remember
Related to this, I cleaned up Mega Man Battle Network 5 a while back. It's not quite GA quality, but the structure is there, and it may be useful for cleaning up the other MMBN articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the article Xmas Lemmings. As far as I can work out, this is the wrong title. The box image clearly says "Christmas Lemmings", and Psygnosis.org [18] (an unofficial site dedicated to the game's publisher) lists games called "Christmas Lemmings" and "Holiday Lemmings" (as mentioned in the article), but not "Xmas Lemmings". Anyone know about this? I would have posted this on the article's talk page, but it's empty and nobody's edited the article itself for ages, so I figured a reply more likely here. So is this just a case of someone "censoring" the word Christmas so as not to offend idiots? I would also have just gone ahead and moved it, but I'm not 100% sure, and Christmas Lemmings already exists as a redirect anyway. Miremare 22:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, to the best of my understanding: the first two were playable demos with four levels each and were called "Xmas Lemmings". The second two were full retail games and called "Christmas Lemmings" in the UK and "Holiday Lemmings" in the US. I've made these changes in the article, though if someone could sort out the clunky sentence structure in the lead I'd appreciate it. But I'm too tired to think properly right now. :) Miremare 01:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Unexpected but not unwelcome. If anyone happens to be free this Thursday, please join the anti-vandal patrol. Anomie 02:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's one I haven't seen an agreement on yet: What should be included in the Platforms section of the Infobox for a game that has been re-released (not ported) on an alternative platform? For example, an arcade game like Galaga that has been re-released in multi-game collections for consoles, as well as made downloadable on Xbox Live Arcade and Virtual Console. Right now, the Galaga article lists ALL of the platforms Galaga has been made playable on, but I think it should only list the platforms that it was created for or officially ported to. In other words, I think Galaga should list:
...as its platforms, since the game was officially ported to those. But it should not list the PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, or any other device where it has simply been re-released or emulated, because that causes confusion as to the game's creation. Instead, these systems should only be listed/mentioned in the "Ports and Re-releases" section. What do you all think? — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 20:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
It's been protected because of edit warring, over a see also link. The see also link (Microsoft Points, a similar online currency) is relevant, and does no harm. There is a discussion here that needs more input: Talk:Wii_Points#Microsoft_Points.3F. RobJ1981 21:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
There's a lot of articles I've seen that use the above phrasing as part of the reception. Certainly no problem with the MetaCritic or Gamerankings insertion, but I would think that there's some point after the NA release of a game that the MetaCritic and GameRankings scores aren't going to change much, and as long as the citation includes accessdate, any changes that do occur after that aren't terribly hard to deal with. Thus, the "As of this date,..." lead to these looks way out of place since it's no longer present but a past event, and I certainly wouldn't add it to an older game article that lacks such a reception section but does have aggregate scores. (Game sales are different, I'm only considering the reviews).
On the other hand, a game that's just been released will likely go through a lot of aggregate ranking changes as the reviews file in, and so it makes sense to use "As of this date..." to describe the meta-scores.
So the question is: how soon after a game is out should one stop using the "As of..." statement (if the consensus is to stop using it after some time)? I think its somewhere between 1 to 6 months after the NA release, edging closer to 2 or 3 months. I'm not saying that exactly 2 months past release of a game that someone must go through and strip that line, but more that if I do find an article with it and it fits the above, I'd likely remove it. -- Masem 15:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm proposing something for some of the GTA gangs. Firstly, I'm proposing that the main gangs get their own page, but also that a new template is introduced on all of the gangs. I've tried and show what I'm on about here in my sandbox. I know the article is a little short, but I plan on expanding it in my sandbox. Is anyone against some of the gangs having their own pages, after all, the main characters have their own pages, so why can't the gangs? (I probably would of request that all characters and all gangs could have their own pages, but that'll probably be straight away rejected!) Davnel03 17:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh my. I just now got a look at this, and although the article in the sandbox would be acceptable in the context of, say, a grand theft auto wiki, it has barely any suggestion that the gang described in the sandbox is fictional. Even if that was taken care of, all I see is plot summary, both here and on the characters' pages. I'd sooner merge the characters than create more. Nifboy 08:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Is anyone other than myself tired of TTN's anti-discussion attitude and his overall attitude? I'm tired of him taking bold to the level of boldly ignoring everyone who disagrees with him. And on top of that, he has this idea that if people don't constantly return to the talk page to restate their position on a merge, their opinion has either changed or doesn't matter anymore. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
So I decided that I am going to give everyone involved in this project indian burns until they cry and listen to my demands.
...Well, demand - bring it back!
I see no reason why category creation would hurt that bad. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Near as I can tell, other projects use no-importance for category and disamgibuation pages, to keep them out of the way of really-truly unassessed pages (example: Category:No-importance Olympics pages). After poking around a bit, I found Category:Non-article video game articles. It seems the CVG templates and categories don't get either class or importance categories, but CVG disambiguation pages (which are in article namespace) are categorized as unassessed-priority. To me, this is the proper, most common use of no-importance, and we should use it as such. Nifboy 06:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Due to a recent dispute at Talk:Air (visual novel) as to whether {{ cvgproj}} should be included on the talk page or not, where User:A Link to the Past, User:Kariteh, and myself were involved, I suggest that Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual novels be merged into Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games as a task force. Why? Reasons follow:
Please support or oppose the merger with reasons below.-- 十 八 21:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
So far, it would seem that the first two oppose votes are more or less invalid. To say that kinetic novels aren't technically video games when it was produced by a company that produces visual novel video games does not seem like a good enough argument to oppose this merger. And to say that not all VNs are VGs to me seems to be skirting the issue as I do not know of any VNs that would not be considered VGs in at least some use of the definition, even if the definition of what constitues a video game is up for debate, or so I hear.
The third oppose by Xtreme racer is more realistic, but I can still offer a rebuttal. You say there are many differences and conflicts between the two WikiProjects, but I do not see it this way. Would you be willing to clarify what these would be? And I believe recruitment at this point will not solve anything. WP:VN has been slowly gaining members over a six month period, and there's only 17 in the project currently, or at least 17 that have the userbox or category on their userpages. Personally, I have contributed to 10 out of the current 11 GA articles within the WP:VN scope, so I know what it takes to make a visual novel article GA status. Keeping WP:VN a separate project creates undue conflict between editors in WP:VG who want these articles to have the {{ cvgproj}} banner and WP:VN that remains the only subproject related to WP:VG to use its own banner. Believe me, if I had realized it at the time, I would have started WP:VN as a task force, just as I am suggesting with this merger because right now the conflict on VN talk pages is there and it'll be sure to arise again in the future, so I'd rather not like to deal with something so trivial if I have to.
And it's not like VNs were always separate. Before the addition of WP:VN, all of those articles were under WP:VG, so it's more going to back to how things were, and back then things seemed to work a lot more smoothly than they have been going these past six months. Dicussion within WP:VN is needed, yes, but nothing's going to happen if there aren't enough editors that want to tackle the problems facing visual novel related articles. Will this merger solve that problem? Maybe, but I think that's a long shot. The main reason for the merger is to reduce conflict, and possibly get more interested editors if possible.-- 十 八 16:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Question - Does the WP:VG usually vote at the creation of every task force? I think only people interested in joining the Wikiproject/task force, or the current members, should be considered on this topic. I personally consider this software a video game, but as I have no interest in joining this Wikiproject/task force, does it really matter? Thinking on it now I don't think this is the right way to do this. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorta inspired by the issue of visual novels, I was wondering if there's any interest in forming a "CVG Genre Task Force". If you look at the pages linked of Video game genres, there's a drastic difference in quality of style and approach; some are mostly lists, while others are really good ( Platform game is a GA, for example). I think a Task Force to help set common approaches for these articles can help a lot, including defining what should be in a genre article, helping to set up categories to avoid having to have lists and lists within article bodies and the like. And since there could always be potentially more genres in the future, this would help to set up guidelines for those articles. Any interest in such? -- Masem 04:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the "fair use rationale" issue is a huge problem, as roughly 90-95% of the images I come across have the copyright boilerplate, but not the fair use rationale. Has this rule always been in effect, or was it instated within the last year?
Anyway, I'm new to adding this fair use rationale junk, but I'm trying to save as many images for NES games as I can from getting deleted. It's a tough job, but I want to be done by July 31 beacuse someone flagged a ton of images to get chunked on August 1. There's other consoles as well that are effected as well, but I just want to concentrate on NES.
There was one user, Tyan23, who contributed a lot of images years back, but ShakespeareFan00 is trying to undo all of it.
Sfan00 isn't the only one taking advantage of situations like these where an account was abandoned that had many, many images that were not in violation, but now are. Nominating all of these for speedy deletion is nonsense, especially when the guy isn't even there!
I think it should be a HIGH PRIORITY to protect the images that are already uploaded. Someone can swoop down and flag thousands of these in a day, and 7 days later, they'll be gone.
I hate having to add this completely redundant information hundreds of times, but at this point I don't see many others fixing this disaster in the making. A lot of articles, video game and non-video game related, are going to be outright ruined in two days, and many more in the future. SashaNein 17:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I've mentioned this before, but I've placed boilerplate fair use rationales on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Video Game Images that can be easily added to image description pages. JACO PLANE • 2007-07-30 18:49
(outdent again) I've taken care of a bunch of these images. Check out my list at User:KieferSkunk/Fair Use Log. I grabbed the references to these images from Category:All images with no fair use rationale, then also took care of detagging the related articles and FUR'ing other images within those articles. Hopefully this will help. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 20:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
More work done: All images beginning with C64, plus a bunch of related images. I noticed Coleco* images still need some work. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 01:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys! I created a subst-able template to help with fair-use rationales:
User:KieferSkunk/furvg - check it out. When you use this template with {{
subst}}
, it inserts the same sort of Fair-Use Rationale text that I've been manually inputting for the images listed in my Fair Use Log. This implements the standard Fair-Use Rationale template mentioned on the official WP policy page. If you want to use this for your task-force work, I think it'll help speed things up. :) I wrote some documentation to show how the various parameters work. —
KieferSkunk (
talk) — 00:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) As per below,
User:Jacoplane moved this template to {{
vgrationale}}
. Now it's even easier to use. :) —
KieferSkunk (
talk) — 20:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Please, please, please assist on the article on Rival Turf!. Comradeqsp keeps restoring inaccurate, nonsensical information to the article. Every time I revert the user's changes, the user reverts again and vandalizes some articles I have created, including one on the video game The King of Route 66. Please monitor these articles for changes and if possible, expand them with valid content. Cheers. -- Jtalledo (talk) 00:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
please check out the talk and history for the main article. one person keeps Redirecting to another article and with only the two of us on the talk page it's obviously getting nowhere. I think it's perfectly valid to have a seperate article and preferable to not have the article as a redirect when the discussion takes place, but ALTTP keeps changing it so, there's nothing I can do about that except to make sure you're reading the HDremix history/talk instead of the normal one. BlueArcher 18:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I've just seen a proposal to delete article "Starcraft Prequel". After looking at several I think that: there's far too much duplication of content; in particular several of them contain lengthy plot and mission summaries; we need an overall structure for Starcraft-related articles, so that we can move content to appropriate places, reduce duplication and cross-refer between articles.
A tentative suggestion:
Does this sound more reasonable? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 06:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Around the beginning of July, the Jak 3 article was tagged as having an inappropriate style to it. Since then, several people have worked to bring it up to an acceptible standard. I think it looks pretty good now, but I wanted the opinion of a discerning individual who works for Wikiproject Video Games. If it is acceptible, let me know so I have the guts to remove the tags. Thank you. Larrythefunkyferret 04:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have recently closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liero as merge all. However I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to perform the merge myself so I'd appreciate it if someone from the project can take the time to do it. Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 00:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
For the Guitar Hero series games, we've gotten one article through to a GA ( Guitar Hero II), but one of the comments that we've since followed was that the inclusion of the soundtrack makes the article scope too broad and should be in a separate article. While we've done this, and there's definitely a good argument for doing this as the rest of the GHII article reads easier, there's another point that unlike, say, Metroid or Zelda where the music is mostly background music, the music in GH games as well as nearly every other music game is actually the core of the gameplay, and thus moving it to a separate page is removing one of the intents of the articles. We're debating this for the other GH games, but there's a couple ways to argue this:
I'm seeing if there's any input from other CVG members the approach that should be taken for music game soundtracks in general. -- Masem 16:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
After a couple of months' work I've put the article up for FAC. Please have a look at the article; any feedback will be greatly appreciated. UnaLaguna 12:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry, I'm back on the "Xplatform-only games" categories! :) A user is adding Xbox 360 games that were also released on the PC to to Category:Xbox 360-only games with the edit summary: "Added category to show CONSOLE exclusivity. The Xbox 360-only category does not mean platform exclusivity ( really used elsewhere more than here).". [1] What do people think of this? Miremare 17:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and created the new category being discussed above: Category:Xbox 360 and PC exclusive games . Unless there are strong objections to this from other editors, I'd say go ahead and start adding this category to games where the rule specified on the Category page is true. (If a game is also available on the Mac, it doesn't fit.) — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 00:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
In an encyclopedia "exclusive" should mean exclusive, not what Microsoft or Sony or whoever want it to mean. However, we should decide exactly what games fall into this: the 360-only category currently says that "games in this category are not available on other video game consoles, personal computers, or mobile devices". My point is that if a 360 game has a version released for mobile phones (or whatever), should it no longer be an exclusive despite the fact that mobile versions rarely bear any resemblance to console versions? It should be the game itself rather than the game's title that decides exclusivity. Miremare 16:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
PSNetwork and PS3-Only/XBLA and XBox360-only/Wiiware and Wii-only
How do we treat these? PSN, XBLA, Wiiware are only means of distribution just like Valve's Steam does for the PC. I'm asking this because as
Hahnchen has also experienced a serious disagreement with
Bean23 about this.
Bean23 doesn't consider any games distributed by these services as being exclusive to the platform and hence removes/reverts all additions to *-only categories. I've already started a discussion about this in the PS3-Only category but only found out about this discussion-page today :-|. I was also wondering how he would treat a game like Warhawk or SOCOM:Confrontation because those two will be distributed on PSN as a download and from retail on BD, but he didn't answer me about those two.
Can or can't games distributed by these services by classified as 'Only' games if it really is not a port or remake (HD versions) from a different platform?
--
Stef Nighthawk 15:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Calling for clarification and consensus: Should we include the Achievements list for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Arcade games? Some articles have them, others don't, and it seems a consensus has not been reached on this issue yet. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 17:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
For WP, these are totally useless. They're more guidelike than the point lists. There is already the section on the xbox live page about gamerscore, so any information should be able to fit into that paragraph. However, this info would be awesome on strategywiki, so if you see some, either leave me a message, or just take it over there. -- Prod-You 02:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
What are you thoughts on this category? This is a big marketing push to brand all games as Games for Windows which match a certain criteria. I don't think that the criteria is strong enough, or the platform focused enough to form a strong category. The games that will inevitably fall into this are too disparate, and given that we have Category:Windows games, not that useful. Kill it? - hahnch e n 19:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's marketing, but we can cover that marketing in an impartial and neutral way, so the category sounds OK. Andre ( talk) 00:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Who here believes that ideally, the lead image should be from the most recent primary game (for example, New SMB Bowser versus Brawl Bowser)? - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
What does everyone think, another AFD nomination? It's went through 2 from the talk page (I believe 3 though, not sure why the other isn't listed). Let me point out a few examples from the article: Bully Special Edition — special case, dodge ball, comic book. and Ultimate Spider-Man Limited Edition — includes four characters biographies, an interview with Stan Lee, a making of video, tips and trick and a special edition Ultimate Spider-Man comic book. The package has a Venom theme. Why exactly should people even want to care about this? All media has special editions, a whole list of them doesn't seem notable to me. DVDs have many special and/or collector, limited editions: no list here (that I know of). Same thing with CD's and so on. This is simply trivial listcruft/fancruft in my view. Yes, video games have special editions, it doesn't mean we need to list each and every one of them. If anything: put the notable information on each article, and leave it at that. If someone wants to nominate it, feel free. I've had problems nominating articles that have went in AFD before, and I'm not sure why (I follow the steps correctly and all that). RobJ1981 18:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know that List of video games by genre was deleted through AfD here; shame it wasn't put on the list of video game deletions. I don't know which way I would have !voted, but it's possible more specific video game genre lists will be nominated. Marašmusïne Talk 19:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Animal Crossing. Currently there is a grand total of six Animal Crossing articles (from what I see). Is it really necessary to have a task force about it? I see it as unhelpful, and it could possibly encourage others to make more smaller taskforces. If people want to fix the small group of articles: fine, ask here. From what I've seen: small and broad projects/task forces end up dying after only a short period. RobJ1981 05:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to have too many references. I've currently been adding references to the Fire Emblem article. I'm pushing it for GA, so will the level of references be to the detriment of the article and chances of GA? Ashnard Talk Contribs 13:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I've submitted Super Nintendo Entertainment System as a Featured article candidate. Please talk a look at the article and give your input. Is it worthy of being the third video game console FA, joining Nintendo Entertainment System and Wii? Anomie 00:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let everyone know, this article passed and is now rated FA-class. :) — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 22:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
The debate was sparked over the removal of car and track lists as per WP:NOT. The data has since been converted into general paragraphs, but the change has been rejected by one editor and several anonymous editors who insist on being allowed to write the article as they see fit — targeted to LFS players. I have repeatedly suggested that they seek more experienced opinions from WP:VG, but they seem content with counting their own straws. Additionally, one user has rejected the fact that LFS is under the domain of the Video games WikiProject, refusing to acknowledge that LFS is a video game, instead claiming that is a racing simulator. Despite sim racing being considered gaming, and despite the game categories removed and the WP:VG banner on the Talk page, no response has been gained regarding this inconsistency. Instead, the anonymous editors are continuing the debate and are considering arbitration.
Additionally, User:E dog95 has gone an editing spree on all sim racing articles and removed all mention of "computer game" on the basis of his opinion that simulators are not games.
I don't think it's necessary to go that far, especially when there are plenty of experienced editors here who can offer their input. Whether the LFS editors like it or not, LFS is under WP:VG's scope, and I kindly ask editors to comment on the debate to avoid going through the arbitration process unnecessarily. -- Scottie_theNerd 04:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's some more listcruft, reported to the overzealous de-lister Scottie the nerd and still no change, yet there's all out war on the lists on LFS...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Need_for_Speed_%28video_game%29 Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed_II Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed_III:_Hot_Pursuit Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_High_Stakes Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Porsche_Unleashed Car list X Track List X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_City_Online Car list X Track List Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Hot_Pursuit_2 Car list X Track List Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Underground Car list X Track List Character list X Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Underground_2 Car list X Track List Character list X Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Most_Wanted Car list X Track List Character list Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Carbon Car list X Track List Character list X Soundtrack list X Crew list X Lengthy desction of either X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_ProStreet Car list X Track List Character list Soundtrack list X Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Need_for_Speed_soundtracks Car list Track List Character list Soundtrack list X Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Need_for_Speed_locations Car list Track List X Character list Soundtrack list Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Need_for_Speed_characters Car list Track List Character list X Soundtrack list Crew list Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_2 Car list Track List Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4 Car list Track List Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFactor Car list X Unofficial (MOD) car list X Track List X Unofficial (MOD) track List X Soundtrack list X Lengthy desction of either Leagues list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Legends Car list X Unofficial (MOD) car list X Track List X Unofficial (MOD) track List (link) X Lengthy desction of either X Leagues list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTR_-_FIA_GT_Racing_Game Car/Team list X Track List X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT_Legends Car list X Track List X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Racing_2003_Season Unofficial (MOD) car list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOCA_Touring_Car_series Car/Team list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080%C2%B0_Avalanche Car list Track List X Soundtrack list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4x4_EVO_2 Car list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATV_Offroad_Fury Soundtrack list X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McRae:_DiRT Car list X <------- OF THE FRIGGIN' DEMO! Track List X <------- OF THE FRIGGIN' DEMO!
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Hades Nebula is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! -- B. Wolterding 13:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
This user keeps on pointless removing cover art and replacing it with his own. It usually goes from Xbox 360 -> Playstation 3. I doubt he actually works for Sony, but myself and some other editors have warned him on his talk page about this, yet he continues to do so. Articles affected include Army of Two (video game), BlackSite: Area 51, Def Jam: Icon, Assassin's Creed and more. This guy has an agenda and I wouldn't put it past him to resort to sockpuppets. If anyone here could just delete the offending images, or just block this guy, that'd be great. I'm probably going to file 3RR against him. - hahnch e n 21:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
People are having a dispute over some content on the Fighting game article. Several people (including myself) have deleted a section from the article, and it keeps being added back. Someone accused me of working for "NAMCO, TECMO and SEGA" for removing irrelevant links to external sites. Read Talk:Fighting game to see what I'm talking about. Could people please offer there opinions on the subject (on the Talk page)? It is not an ad for Kwonho, and it could be a decent article otherwise. JohnnyMrNinja 06:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, another one to debate: Music games and their track lists. Guitar Hero and Boom Boom Rocket both have track lists, and their lists of tracks aren't enormous. Dance Dance Revolution has an entire separate article listing all the tracks available in the series. My question: Do these also qualify as lists of minutiae? I believe they do, but given that these are music/rhythm games where the music is the primary focus, I can see the argument for letting them stay. Still, I don't see them as any different than a list of levels in a platform game, or a list of cars in a racing game - they are details about the game that aren't really needed to understand the game as a whole, are they? — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 19:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
My point is that if we want to be consistent on the policies in general, we should think of all these things as essentially "lists of levels" and define what level of information on these levels is appropriate, and apply that definition to all articles. The guidelines do this already for most content, but there are some cases where it's still a little ambiguous, like with short music track lists. Still, I propose that:
...ALL be treated the same: Unless there's something particularly notable about one or more specific entries in these lists, the lists should not be included at all. Any notable information should be briefly described in prose (for example, "The songs in Guitar Hero II include hits such as 'Carry On Wayward Son' by Kansas, 'You Really Got Me' by Van Halen, and 'Trogdor' from the Homestar Runner cartoon series."), but should not be a reason to exhaustively list all of the information in that category. People don't need to see the track list to understand what the game is about - if they're interested in seeing the full list of songs (or whatever) in the game, we provide (or should provide) a link to the game's official homepage, where that info will be listed. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 21:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems today became a popular date to asses these articles, Devil May Cry 3 got reassesed from "Mid" to "Low" under the rationable of "Surely if the first DMC is of low importance, than this one is too" [3], oddly enought a few minutes later Devil May Cry got reassesed [4] from "Low" to "Mid". Now I came here to reach a consensus because there has never been a balance regarding the importance of the three titles in the series even if they basically enjoy the same level of sales numbers. - 凶 21:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I have propsed new stub categories for Atari, Take Two, Ubisoft, and Sony Computer Entertainment. See the proposals here.
I have proposed the following stub category name changes (see the proposals here):
JohnnyMrNinja 23:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Can some people keep an eye on Marvel: Ultimate Alliance for changes? I have it in my watch list (again), because of people re-adding game guide content. I've told them not to do it (one in the past, one recently), but I somehow bet others will re-add it. The section is known as future: and it describes how to get special endings by doing certain things. It's certainly game guide content, not suitable for here. RobJ1981 05:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Since they were cancelled they are not notable and I believe they should be deleted. Is this acceptable? Marlith 23:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Marlith 01:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
But I think that there should be articles for cancelled games by company - ie, merge articles into a list of sorts, and unmerge if it can be shown that they are notable cancelled games. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I think it's ready to be nominated, but I don't know whether I should put it in the assessment requests. Other users before have advised me not to go through this process if I want a proper assessment and I'm unsure whether that's the place to go for GA nominations. Please will somebody advise me on what to do? Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm proposing a new whose duties would include:
Anyone interested? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Can I get some input on pages such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements/May 2007 and Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Deletion Archive. The brainless monotony of maintaining these just means that no one can ever be bothered to update our new article announcements or deletion lists (an editor has even <small>ened the text for the past deletions instead of moving them across. I can never be bothered to maintain these archives, kill? - hahnch e n 22:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Age of Empires, couldn't figure out which [edit] to click on to add it. ~ JohnnyMrNinja { talk} 05:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Characters of Final Fantasy VIII is a featured article, yet contains no screenshots, relying entirely on artwork and cutscenes. Since the game is notable for using realistically proportioned characters and body language, this seems like an oversight. Your comments would be most welcome at Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy VIII#Problems with this article.-- Nydas (Talk) 16:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I came across this today, it's a list of AO rated computer/video games. It seems to be listcruft and/or fancruft to me. If no one objects, I might AFD it. RobJ1981 06:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why do the articles have to have japanese titles following english titles. They're long, with japanese characters first and then an romanization. They're an eyesore and honestly I don't know what purpose do they serve. Not to mention most of the time the romanization is exactly the same as the english title, with the only difference being the obvious japanese engrish pronunciation. Is there a way to incorporate this info into the infobox or superscript link to the bottom of the page? Blueshirts 21:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello, could I have some advice please, I'm trying to add a new image for the infobox of Paperboy (video game), as currently it features the opening screen and doesn't look right. Questions:
Any help appreciated. QuagmireDog 12:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
This has been mentioned a few times above, but the likes of Marvel: Ultimate Alliance's "voice actors" section and articles like Runescape gods are just not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Unfortunately, as long as the the editors of articles like Runescape gods are falling over each other to type Keep! Keep! Keep! at ALL its AFDs we're unlikely to ever get rid of these non-notable irrelevances. No one can credibly claim that this is a subject worthy of an individual encyclopedia entry, or provide sources to satisfy WP:N, or realise that Runescape being notable doesn't mean everything in it is notable, but the articles remain because there are so many fanboys intent on it. This seems to me to be a problem which tends to be overlooked with video game articles (which appear to attract cruft like crap attracts flies), and I think it's to the detriment of Wikipedia. Not to mention the endless articles full of game guide content. It seems whenever these are removed they get put back again, either straight away or gradually. I'm fully expecting people to disagree with me, but meh. If only there was a policy specifically stating what's notable and includable for a video game... So yes, getting to the point, is it possible to propose one, would there be support for one, and if so what should be in it? Miremare 19:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at Beautiful Katamari, there's been an editing mini-war going on, specifically over the inclusion of the Wii version in the lead and infobox. Quick history: Namco-Bandai announced BK for 360 and PS3 early this year, PS3 recently has been dropped, and while the industry rumor is that the Wii version has been taken up over the PS3, there has been no official N-B announcement of this (the 360 version remains the only officially announced one). We have a section on these Wii reports in the body of the article, which to me is ok as they're all cited, but people are continually trying to justify the Wii version as being "confirmed", and thus should be included in the infobox and lead. A similar deal is happening with Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney where there's an issue that despite an official trailer (though linked through youtube, so a possible copyvio), there's an issue within including a France TBD release date in the info box.
My personal take is that if the developing/publishing company has officially announced a platform, a release for a given country, or any other details for a game, it should be included in the infobox and lead, but if not, despite having strong rumor or close sources saying that it's in development, it should not be included -- basically, the infobox should be telling me the best and correct known-to-date information about the game, and should not include speculation even if it is well sourced. I'm just trying to see if there's precedent for this from before to put the editing wars to rest. -- Masem 16:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
On Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy VIII#Problems part 2, I've argued that we should mainly use the in-game names of the characters. See Talk:E. Honda for similar dispute. To me, it's terribly in-universe to use a character's 'full' name, especially if that name rarely or never appears in the actual game(s). -- Nydas (Talk) 20:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
{{ Super Smash Bros. series}} is ugly as hell. Since all I get is bitched at when I try to cut down a bloated, ugly template, could someone please fix it? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 03:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Mario#External links, plus all the links to relatively minor characters, etc. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The reason why it's like that is because it was nominated for TFD on June 2, the rationale was that the characters and the games navboxes are redundant to each other and could be combined. I futilely argued that they should be kept separate, per precedent with other fighting game series. hbdragon88 04:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
This is currently being reviewed for GA, however, there's a problem concerning the name. In the West, it was named just Fire Emblem as it was the first Western installment. However, this is the same name of the series to which it belongs, causing confusion when referring to it as just "Fire Emblem". So now it's called Fire Emblem (Game Boy Advance), which the The Rambling Man has deemed unsuitable for problems concerning amiguity etc. So, how can this be tackled? Should it be moved to the Japanese name, the rough Japanese translation, or anything else? Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 09:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Currently I know of these (which I've done some on, so far). I havent played all of them, and I'm not expert on all either, so any help is needed.
That's all I can think of right now. Feel free to add some, if you want. I will try to help with other articles listed here also. RobJ1981 05:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, there's a lot of these. I'll list the one I remember
Related to this, I cleaned up Mega Man Battle Network 5 a while back. It's not quite GA quality, but the structure is there, and it may be useful for cleaning up the other MMBN articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the article Xmas Lemmings. As far as I can work out, this is the wrong title. The box image clearly says "Christmas Lemmings", and Psygnosis.org [18] (an unofficial site dedicated to the game's publisher) lists games called "Christmas Lemmings" and "Holiday Lemmings" (as mentioned in the article), but not "Xmas Lemmings". Anyone know about this? I would have posted this on the article's talk page, but it's empty and nobody's edited the article itself for ages, so I figured a reply more likely here. So is this just a case of someone "censoring" the word Christmas so as not to offend idiots? I would also have just gone ahead and moved it, but I'm not 100% sure, and Christmas Lemmings already exists as a redirect anyway. Miremare 22:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, to the best of my understanding: the first two were playable demos with four levels each and were called "Xmas Lemmings". The second two were full retail games and called "Christmas Lemmings" in the UK and "Holiday Lemmings" in the US. I've made these changes in the article, though if someone could sort out the clunky sentence structure in the lead I'd appreciate it. But I'm too tired to think properly right now. :) Miremare 01:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Unexpected but not unwelcome. If anyone happens to be free this Thursday, please join the anti-vandal patrol. Anomie 02:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's one I haven't seen an agreement on yet: What should be included in the Platforms section of the Infobox for a game that has been re-released (not ported) on an alternative platform? For example, an arcade game like Galaga that has been re-released in multi-game collections for consoles, as well as made downloadable on Xbox Live Arcade and Virtual Console. Right now, the Galaga article lists ALL of the platforms Galaga has been made playable on, but I think it should only list the platforms that it was created for or officially ported to. In other words, I think Galaga should list:
...as its platforms, since the game was officially ported to those. But it should not list the PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, or any other device where it has simply been re-released or emulated, because that causes confusion as to the game's creation. Instead, these systems should only be listed/mentioned in the "Ports and Re-releases" section. What do you all think? — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 20:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
It's been protected because of edit warring, over a see also link. The see also link (Microsoft Points, a similar online currency) is relevant, and does no harm. There is a discussion here that needs more input: Talk:Wii_Points#Microsoft_Points.3F. RobJ1981 21:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
There's a lot of articles I've seen that use the above phrasing as part of the reception. Certainly no problem with the MetaCritic or Gamerankings insertion, but I would think that there's some point after the NA release of a game that the MetaCritic and GameRankings scores aren't going to change much, and as long as the citation includes accessdate, any changes that do occur after that aren't terribly hard to deal with. Thus, the "As of this date,..." lead to these looks way out of place since it's no longer present but a past event, and I certainly wouldn't add it to an older game article that lacks such a reception section but does have aggregate scores. (Game sales are different, I'm only considering the reviews).
On the other hand, a game that's just been released will likely go through a lot of aggregate ranking changes as the reviews file in, and so it makes sense to use "As of this date..." to describe the meta-scores.
So the question is: how soon after a game is out should one stop using the "As of..." statement (if the consensus is to stop using it after some time)? I think its somewhere between 1 to 6 months after the NA release, edging closer to 2 or 3 months. I'm not saying that exactly 2 months past release of a game that someone must go through and strip that line, but more that if I do find an article with it and it fits the above, I'd likely remove it. -- Masem 15:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm proposing something for some of the GTA gangs. Firstly, I'm proposing that the main gangs get their own page, but also that a new template is introduced on all of the gangs. I've tried and show what I'm on about here in my sandbox. I know the article is a little short, but I plan on expanding it in my sandbox. Is anyone against some of the gangs having their own pages, after all, the main characters have their own pages, so why can't the gangs? (I probably would of request that all characters and all gangs could have their own pages, but that'll probably be straight away rejected!) Davnel03 17:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh my. I just now got a look at this, and although the article in the sandbox would be acceptable in the context of, say, a grand theft auto wiki, it has barely any suggestion that the gang described in the sandbox is fictional. Even if that was taken care of, all I see is plot summary, both here and on the characters' pages. I'd sooner merge the characters than create more. Nifboy 08:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Is anyone other than myself tired of TTN's anti-discussion attitude and his overall attitude? I'm tired of him taking bold to the level of boldly ignoring everyone who disagrees with him. And on top of that, he has this idea that if people don't constantly return to the talk page to restate their position on a merge, their opinion has either changed or doesn't matter anymore. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
So I decided that I am going to give everyone involved in this project indian burns until they cry and listen to my demands.
...Well, demand - bring it back!
I see no reason why category creation would hurt that bad. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Near as I can tell, other projects use no-importance for category and disamgibuation pages, to keep them out of the way of really-truly unassessed pages (example: Category:No-importance Olympics pages). After poking around a bit, I found Category:Non-article video game articles. It seems the CVG templates and categories don't get either class or importance categories, but CVG disambiguation pages (which are in article namespace) are categorized as unassessed-priority. To me, this is the proper, most common use of no-importance, and we should use it as such. Nifboy 06:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Due to a recent dispute at Talk:Air (visual novel) as to whether {{ cvgproj}} should be included on the talk page or not, where User:A Link to the Past, User:Kariteh, and myself were involved, I suggest that Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual novels be merged into Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games as a task force. Why? Reasons follow:
Please support or oppose the merger with reasons below.-- 十 八 21:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
So far, it would seem that the first two oppose votes are more or less invalid. To say that kinetic novels aren't technically video games when it was produced by a company that produces visual novel video games does not seem like a good enough argument to oppose this merger. And to say that not all VNs are VGs to me seems to be skirting the issue as I do not know of any VNs that would not be considered VGs in at least some use of the definition, even if the definition of what constitues a video game is up for debate, or so I hear.
The third oppose by Xtreme racer is more realistic, but I can still offer a rebuttal. You say there are many differences and conflicts between the two WikiProjects, but I do not see it this way. Would you be willing to clarify what these would be? And I believe recruitment at this point will not solve anything. WP:VN has been slowly gaining members over a six month period, and there's only 17 in the project currently, or at least 17 that have the userbox or category on their userpages. Personally, I have contributed to 10 out of the current 11 GA articles within the WP:VN scope, so I know what it takes to make a visual novel article GA status. Keeping WP:VN a separate project creates undue conflict between editors in WP:VG who want these articles to have the {{ cvgproj}} banner and WP:VN that remains the only subproject related to WP:VG to use its own banner. Believe me, if I had realized it at the time, I would have started WP:VN as a task force, just as I am suggesting with this merger because right now the conflict on VN talk pages is there and it'll be sure to arise again in the future, so I'd rather not like to deal with something so trivial if I have to.
And it's not like VNs were always separate. Before the addition of WP:VN, all of those articles were under WP:VG, so it's more going to back to how things were, and back then things seemed to work a lot more smoothly than they have been going these past six months. Dicussion within WP:VN is needed, yes, but nothing's going to happen if there aren't enough editors that want to tackle the problems facing visual novel related articles. Will this merger solve that problem? Maybe, but I think that's a long shot. The main reason for the merger is to reduce conflict, and possibly get more interested editors if possible.-- 十 八 16:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Question - Does the WP:VG usually vote at the creation of every task force? I think only people interested in joining the Wikiproject/task force, or the current members, should be considered on this topic. I personally consider this software a video game, but as I have no interest in joining this Wikiproject/task force, does it really matter? Thinking on it now I don't think this is the right way to do this. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorta inspired by the issue of visual novels, I was wondering if there's any interest in forming a "CVG Genre Task Force". If you look at the pages linked of Video game genres, there's a drastic difference in quality of style and approach; some are mostly lists, while others are really good ( Platform game is a GA, for example). I think a Task Force to help set common approaches for these articles can help a lot, including defining what should be in a genre article, helping to set up categories to avoid having to have lists and lists within article bodies and the like. And since there could always be potentially more genres in the future, this would help to set up guidelines for those articles. Any interest in such? -- Masem 04:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the "fair use rationale" issue is a huge problem, as roughly 90-95% of the images I come across have the copyright boilerplate, but not the fair use rationale. Has this rule always been in effect, or was it instated within the last year?
Anyway, I'm new to adding this fair use rationale junk, but I'm trying to save as many images for NES games as I can from getting deleted. It's a tough job, but I want to be done by July 31 beacuse someone flagged a ton of images to get chunked on August 1. There's other consoles as well that are effected as well, but I just want to concentrate on NES.
There was one user, Tyan23, who contributed a lot of images years back, but ShakespeareFan00 is trying to undo all of it.
Sfan00 isn't the only one taking advantage of situations like these where an account was abandoned that had many, many images that were not in violation, but now are. Nominating all of these for speedy deletion is nonsense, especially when the guy isn't even there!
I think it should be a HIGH PRIORITY to protect the images that are already uploaded. Someone can swoop down and flag thousands of these in a day, and 7 days later, they'll be gone.
I hate having to add this completely redundant information hundreds of times, but at this point I don't see many others fixing this disaster in the making. A lot of articles, video game and non-video game related, are going to be outright ruined in two days, and many more in the future. SashaNein 17:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I've mentioned this before, but I've placed boilerplate fair use rationales on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Video Game Images that can be easily added to image description pages. JACO PLANE • 2007-07-30 18:49
(outdent again) I've taken care of a bunch of these images. Check out my list at User:KieferSkunk/Fair Use Log. I grabbed the references to these images from Category:All images with no fair use rationale, then also took care of detagging the related articles and FUR'ing other images within those articles. Hopefully this will help. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 20:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
More work done: All images beginning with C64, plus a bunch of related images. I noticed Coleco* images still need some work. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 01:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys! I created a subst-able template to help with fair-use rationales:
User:KieferSkunk/furvg - check it out. When you use this template with {{
subst}}
, it inserts the same sort of Fair-Use Rationale text that I've been manually inputting for the images listed in my Fair Use Log. This implements the standard Fair-Use Rationale template mentioned on the official WP policy page. If you want to use this for your task-force work, I think it'll help speed things up. :) I wrote some documentation to show how the various parameters work. —
KieferSkunk (
talk) — 00:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) As per below,
User:Jacoplane moved this template to {{
vgrationale}}
. Now it's even easier to use. :) —
KieferSkunk (
talk) — 20:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Please, please, please assist on the article on Rival Turf!. Comradeqsp keeps restoring inaccurate, nonsensical information to the article. Every time I revert the user's changes, the user reverts again and vandalizes some articles I have created, including one on the video game The King of Route 66. Please monitor these articles for changes and if possible, expand them with valid content. Cheers. -- Jtalledo (talk) 00:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
please check out the talk and history for the main article. one person keeps Redirecting to another article and with only the two of us on the talk page it's obviously getting nowhere. I think it's perfectly valid to have a seperate article and preferable to not have the article as a redirect when the discussion takes place, but ALTTP keeps changing it so, there's nothing I can do about that except to make sure you're reading the HDremix history/talk instead of the normal one. BlueArcher 18:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I've just seen a proposal to delete article "Starcraft Prequel". After looking at several I think that: there's far too much duplication of content; in particular several of them contain lengthy plot and mission summaries; we need an overall structure for Starcraft-related articles, so that we can move content to appropriate places, reduce duplication and cross-refer between articles.
A tentative suggestion:
Does this sound more reasonable? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 06:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Around the beginning of July, the Jak 3 article was tagged as having an inappropriate style to it. Since then, several people have worked to bring it up to an acceptible standard. I think it looks pretty good now, but I wanted the opinion of a discerning individual who works for Wikiproject Video Games. If it is acceptible, let me know so I have the guts to remove the tags. Thank you. Larrythefunkyferret 04:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have recently closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liero as merge all. However I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to perform the merge myself so I'd appreciate it if someone from the project can take the time to do it. Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 00:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
For the Guitar Hero series games, we've gotten one article through to a GA ( Guitar Hero II), but one of the comments that we've since followed was that the inclusion of the soundtrack makes the article scope too broad and should be in a separate article. While we've done this, and there's definitely a good argument for doing this as the rest of the GHII article reads easier, there's another point that unlike, say, Metroid or Zelda where the music is mostly background music, the music in GH games as well as nearly every other music game is actually the core of the gameplay, and thus moving it to a separate page is removing one of the intents of the articles. We're debating this for the other GH games, but there's a couple ways to argue this:
I'm seeing if there's any input from other CVG members the approach that should be taken for music game soundtracks in general. -- Masem 16:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
After a couple of months' work I've put the article up for FAC. Please have a look at the article; any feedback will be greatly appreciated. UnaLaguna 12:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)