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Tonight I just created three categories for Transportation in Putnam County, New York, Dutchess County, New York, and Niagara County, New York, and like the others they're not just for roads. The exception to this is a category for Niagara County Roads. Whatever I'm missing, feel free to add these categories to the appropriate articles. ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's time to seriously discuss what just happened. It is as if one day, one user woke up, and decided out of the blue that he was going to split NYSR from USRD, and so he did. Granted, it was way orer-dramatized. It was nothing more than taking the project's name off of WP:USRD and getting a new project tag. There was no change in standards, no change in participants, and none of the predicted increase in activity. All the forking has done is cause problems. First, NYSR has lost access to all of USRD's services; MTF, ACR, and shields. There is an ongoing massive and dramatic fight on WT:USRD. And yet, we have gained nothing from the split. As such, I am proposing the two projects be merged. NYSR is, and will still be its own project, but under the supervision and standards of USRD. – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Can we start rebuilding the burned George Washington Bridge? -- NE2 16:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
The result of the straw poll below is that WP:NYSR should go back under WP:USRD. I saw a request at WP:AN for an admin to close this debate, so I have done so. I have no insight as to the practical steps needed to carry this out, and I hope the editors here will know what to do. EdJohnston ( talk) 18:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The discussion on WT:USRD and here is getting nowhere. Right now the best thing to do is have a straw poll, then we decide if we want to move NYSR back under USRD. Just sign with your signature, otherwise I'm sure we'll start arguing...
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Still oppose, things need to happen - and people don't seem to get the idea that if you don't "own" NYSR in retrospect, what rights do you have? On the AN thread only 1 person even supported you guys. I am tired of the constant bullying over this, accusing me of things, and I may have better chances vandalizing than dealing with USRD. Shoemaker makes a valid point below, even though not officially a member of the project, he is interested in helping with it at points. I don't care what the hell you guys will think of me after this, but I want NYSR to stay out so it gets its own valid standards, and not the cruddy ones we currently have. So fight me if you want, I'm not gonna support this merge.Mitch32( UP) 10:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)\
Hello all...
An image used in the article, specifically Image:Fdrnight10.jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.
You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.-- Jordan 1972 ( talk) 00:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
This map shows in solid red "State Roads (and connections through cities)", in other words roads maintained by the state outside cities. -- NE2 11:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
If people have been following my contributions, one of my favorite things to do is take pictures for various routes in New York or wherever for that matter. I have a few concerns. I like to browse images just to see whats out there, and some of the stuff I don't like. For example, we have used a lot of images from Doug Kerr's State-Ends.com. Many of those images are blurry, at night, through a windshield, poorly framed, etc. I think we should use our own collected images, and hold ourselves to a higher standard when posting images. I find State-Ends fascinating, but most of their images blow. I recently drove to Albany along US 9, taking pictures along the way. I threw a bunch out because I was frankly embarrassed to post them. I think we should make a real effort to get out of our cars wherever possible. Use common sense obviously, and I know there are simply places you can't get out. I also know some images through the windshield come out well, but use your best judgment when deciding to post one. This is merely an attempt to help clean up some of our images. This also isn't an address on what kinds of pictures to take. No one should go after someones creativity on what pictures to take and what not to take. What does everyone think? -- Airtuna08 ( talk) 19:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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As the title implies, this is a list of articles that have the long-deprecated communities list or the even-older "communities along the route" section but have no route description to merge the list into. You can help by writing a route description for these articles and integrating the communities list into the description. Thanks in advance.
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Is it time for an article? The highway, to be maintained by the state, should be complete in June or July. I have some pictures I believe and if someone could read the state law which seems to imply the RL Bypass:
9. Upon the completion and acceptance of the highway described as "beginning at a point on state highway nine thousand three hundred eighty-seven in the vicinity of the interchange with interstate route five hundred two (interstate route eighty-seven) thence generally northeasterly to or near the intersection of state highway six hundred ten and state highway one thousand seven hundred ninety-five", the commissioner is hereby authorized and directed to enter an official order of abandonment to the village of Round Lake of that portion of state highway nine thousand three hundred eighty-seven, and as included in an official order dated July twenty-seventh, nineteen hundred seventy from the above-described point as determined by the commissioner easterly to its intersection with state highway one thousand seven hundred ninety-five and upon the filing of certified copies of such official order with the county clerk, the county treasurer, the clerk of the board of supervisors, the county superintendent of highways, all of Saratoga county, and the state comptroller, the state shall cease to maintain such portion of state highway nine thousand three hundred eighty-seven and all rights and obligations of the state therein shall be turned over and surrendered to the village of Round Lake and such portion of said state highway shall thereafter be maintained by the village of Round Lake as a village road.
Anyway, shall we discuss what is going to happen here?3 1/2 years of Mitch 32 11:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Several New York-related merge proposals are active; please comment on them. Thanks.
– T M F 04:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
– T M F 22:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The Suffolk County stuff:
These four are merge candidates.3 1/2 years of Mitch 32 20:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The sub-title explainst it all;
Just curious. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 9, 2009 – Juliancolton | Talk 14:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
On the heels of the heated discussion above over county route articles, I have personally gone through and examined every standalone New York county route article in existence, looking primarily for notability and, if present, what the exact notability of the route is given as. The reason notability is key for county routes is that intracounty routes have no inherent notability (as discussed on WP:USRD/NT). County route articles that do not clearly establish the notability of the highway have historically been redirected or outright deleted at WP:AFD. Another item I considered while looking at every article is whether or not it would be beneficial to cover the information contained in the article elsewhere to eliminate unnecessary duplication between articles. The reasons behind eliminating duplication are two-fold: one, to help reduce the amount of content the project has to maintain and two, if new information comes to light, it will only need to be updated in one location rather than in many locations. With all of that said, here are my findings, and my suggestions are located below them:
Any county route articles that existed as of May 22 (when I compiled this list) but are not listed above have (IMO) a sufficient claim of notability and are indeed notable.
My suggestions are as follows, by county:
I didn't look at all the specifics, but in general you seem spot-on. One possibility for the old alignments of NY 17 would be to create an article about old NY 17 in general. Once I-86 is complete, maybe the logistics will be easier. -- NE2 04:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I will go on record by saying that a highway needs to establish its notability to be on Wikipedia. Being a county road by itself does not count as notability for inclusion on Wikipedia. I will also say that creating these articles on non-notable routes just to get GAs is academically dishonest. We should be working on articles that are actually good; the quality of the article is way more important than the classification. There have been plenty of warnings regarding the notability of such articles and of the possibility of them being merged; I firmly believe that it is time to enforce past consensus decisions regarding such routes and to get rid of these nonnotable articles. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 09:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Endorse everything that's been said here. While I appreciate the effort that's gone into some of these articles, we have to draw the line the somewhere. – Juliancolton | Talk 17:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Since this whole effort is going to be derailed if the above "discussion" (which is rapidly degrading) continues, I'll open up a separate section down here for any county listed above other than Suffolk. – T M F 16:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Wayne CR 101 has been moved to Lake Road (Western New York) and rewritten to match the name change. Lake Road is not locally known as County Route 101; it is known as "Lake Road". Plus, the entirety of Lake Road, 29 miles long, is notable by itself in a way: the Outlet Bridge-NY 250 portion was once NY 18, and the Bay Road-Sodus Point portion is part of the Seaway Trail, a National Scenic Byway. – T M F 19:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Warren CR 64 moved to New York State Route 9M and rewritten as detailed above. – T M F 08:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Erie CR 1 was merged to the county route list and Onondaga CR 236 has been sent to AFD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County Route 236 (Onondaga County, New York). – T M F 16:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Sullivan CR 166A and Dutchess CR 81 merged. – T M F 19:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Here's a series of items on my mind:
We currently have three glaringly sub-standard lists: the state route list, the former state route list, and the list of Interstate Highways in New York. The first is heavily cluttered; it has pictures for at least half the routes on the page, which is both unorthodox and unnecessary. It also adds unnecessary size to the page in terms of the extra code that is needed to add the pictures to the page, and slows down the rendering of the page because users have to load every image on the page. The list is big enough; we don't need anything extra. That's why we never attempted to put shields on the page. Users have told me that their computer has frozen and/or their browser has crashed trying to load the list. For me, the list loads but is sluggish. This makes the list unusable to a portion of our readership, which is frankly embarrassing. I propose that all pictures be removed from the table and moved to the individual route articles. – T M F 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The second is the former state route list. The need for it is currently unclear; there's no difference between the way it covers former routes and how the main list does. Now, if the former route list is redone to state more details about the former routes, perhaps we could move the former routes to that list and restrict the main list to active routes. But as of right now, the former route list is redundant. – T M F 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The third item is the Interstate Highway list. It's not as bad as either of the first two, but it does omit any coverage of former Interstate Highways in New York, which is something that should not be done. Our coverage doesn't stop at active routes. IMO the list needs to be pruned a bit too (necessity of shields? descriptions vs. just termini?). – T M F 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Re: WP:NYSR inactivity check
I'm currently on vacation, so I'm not as active on Wikipedia in general, let alone Project New York Roads. I should be resuming regular activity, and previous activities in July 2009. ----
DanTD (
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I have proposed a new task force for roads in New York here. – T M F 03:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Continuing on from the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads#Proposal: new task force for roads in New_York, I formally propose to this project that it expands its scope to include ALL roads in the New York State. As I'm an outsider, obviously I'll leave the wording to you guys, but it seems like the logical next step in the expansion of this project. Go forth and discuss :-) Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
At the same time as expanding the scope, I wonder if it could also be considered that the WikiProject become a Task Force of WikiProject New York. This would have little/no direct on the functioning of wp:NYSR, which would continue to have its own Talk page and project page (just perhaps relabelled as a Task force and describing a relationship to the statewide wikiproject), would continue to get its own reporting of tallies of articles by importance and quality class ratings, and so on. The benefit would be largely to the state-wide "parent" wikiproject, which has never been very successful on its own and was in fact formed after WikiProject New York City and perhaps NYSR and other natural "child" wikiprojects. And to other current and future "child" type Task Forces of wikiproject New York. In logistical terms, I believe the main task would be to run a bot to replace the wp:NYSR banner on article Talk pages by a revised banner that identifies the articles as part of the NYSR Task force within wp:NY. A small benefit is that Talk pages would be less cluttered, having just one one banner for what may have been 2 wikiproject banners on the same page, in the past.
I believe wp:NYSR is by far the most active and successful NYS wikiproject (except perhaps wp:NYC which i don't know much about). Other regional child wikiprojects including wp:SYR, of which I am a member, have had inadequate quorums to hold decent discussions and have been unsatisfactory traps for new members occasionally coming by. The Syracuse one should have been framed as Central New York to capture a broader potential membership, in my view. Not too long ago I opposed creation of wp:capdis which has been somewhat more successful, perhaps, and to which i have contributed and am an "honorary" member. Occasionally there are proposals to create wikiprojects for incredibly small topics within NYS, such as for University of Rochester only. I still think that the Albany/Capital District one, the Long Island one, and other potential big regional wikiprojects (North Country, Western New York, Southern Tier), should all best be created as Task Forces within wp:NY and sharing common elements such as assessment systems, a central discussion area (although each Task Force would also have its own).
The successful model is wp:MILHIST which has numerous Task Forces. Membership and work of its Task Forces is equally prestigious, and there are benefits to each of its Task Forces from the common support and easy interaction with other task force projects there. Guidelines for design of Task forces are discussed at wp:TASKFORCE.
I believe it would help wp:NY to have a successful, active NYSR Task Force, and it would make it easier then to organize other regional Task Forces within the state. Would members here be willing to revamp NYSR in this way? I am prompted to propose this now because of the proposed change in scope of NYSR. If the scope decision is to expand, then the changes relating to that could efficiently be implemented together with changing into a Task Force as well. doncram ( talk) 22:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
USRD, de facto and (disputed) de jure, covers all roads including county routes, except minor city streets. Thus any arguments against making NYSR a NY task force would seem to apply just as well to splitting off county routes to a NY task force. -- NE2 02:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not convinced this route ever existed. None of my maps show the 341 designation extending into New York from Connecticut (many clearly show it ending at the state line), and the only map that does show a "NY 341" is a late 1940s USGS topo (and with its 96's and 338's [supposed to be 9G and 33B] it's not the best source to use). Does anyone have any information that could shed some light on the matter? – T M F 17:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
As a follow-up, the only 341 that I can find is one in the vicinity of Pawling. It connected NY 22 to the Connecticut state line but the routing is really unclear. The 1930 Socony map of New York shows a highway in this area as part of NY 55. Based on locations and currently existing roads, it used Quaker Hill and Meeting House Roads. The 1935 Sunoco map has 55 going to Connecticut on its modern alignment and old 55 east of 22 as 341. Unfortunately, the routing on this map is even more unclear. The last map I have that shows the route is the 1940 Gousha map, which has a clearer routing but still looks to be Quaker Hill and Meeting House Roads. However, that is the only one of my three 1940 maps that shows it, and none of my other 1940s maps has the route. – T M F 18:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Here's another theory I came up with last night. Based on the CT 341 article, that route was established in the 1932 CT renumbering and was one of a small number of routes numbered in the 300s. The SPS in that article assumes that the high number was assigned for continuation with NY 341. Since the NY 341 near Pawling was in place by 1935, perhaps the Kent-Wassaic 341 was the original alignment of 341 established in the 1930 NY renumbering? The only 1930 map I have shows Bog Hollow Road but doesn't label it with a designation. – T M F 21:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
See here. – T M F 21:31, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Just yesterday the NPS announced that the Whiteface Mountain toll road has been listed on the National Register of Historic Places. I have updated the article appropriately, but there are two interesting things here:
Although its not a recent change, I have found the alignments of NY 329 and NY 409, rather boring routes, are both on the national register of historic places. They were added in 2002 for the Watkins Glen Grand Prix Race Course, which used the entirety of the two routes. This is just for information only, and want to make sure the project knows that NY 431 is the only one on it :P. Mitch32( Want help? See here!) 22:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I compiled a list of the routes in the original system from the 1910s and early 1920s here. One thing to note: if the state highway number is 5xxx, it was part of one of these. (8xxx was federal aid and 9xxx was taken over by the state for other reasons.) -- NE2 05:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
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Does anybody remember when I added that line in the article on New York State Route 23 regarding the repeated use of tenth-mile marker signs from that route as a promotion in road maps and atlases? Well, here's an example of this( http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6772/ny2310thmilemarkersinma.jpg). Believe it or not, this one is fairly recent. It was in the 1993 USA Today Sports Atlas, but H.M. Gousha and other map companies have had them around much longer than that. ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I made a complete audit of the NY assessment categories earlier today, changing the assessments of articles to match the guidelines at WP:USRD/A where necessary. The most common change was the demotion of articles that were assessed as B-Class but had an unreferenced or mostly unreferenced route description, which bumps it down to C-Class. If anyone has any questions on why I reassessed an article a particular way, feel free to ask here or on my talk page. Thanks. – T M F 00:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to make an annoucement; The route description for County Route 97 (Suffolk County, New York)(Nicolls Road) was finally flipped from south to north. Having said that, the construction of the road was from north to south, so I'd like to leave it that way in the history chapter. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Is there a template for New York Reference Routes? I'd like to add one for roads that intersect with New York State Reference Route 900D(old Sunrise Highway, in Amityville & Massapequa). ---- DanTD ( talk) 19:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I've submitted a request to have NYSR be subscribed to the popular pages service, which tracks the project's most popular articles on a monthly basis. If and when the request is approved, the popular pages page will be located at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York State routes/Popular pages. The soonest that the page will be created is October 1. (For those unfamiliar with the popular pages system, see WP:USRD/PP, USRD's popular pages list.) – T M F 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The article on Robert Moses Causeway has been tagged for expansion since May 2008, and justifiably so. How's this for an expansion? ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject New York State routes to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York State routes/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 00:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I've been struggling for quite a while to complete a List of county roads in Orange County, New York, but I've been bogged down with other WikiProjects, as well as others both on the web and in real life. So if anybody is willing to take this off of my hands and finish it, I'd gladly turn my sandbox over to them. ---- DanTD ( talk) 06:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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Can somebody give me the distance of Tiorati Brook Road between the Tiorati Circle and the Lake Welch Parkway interchange? Google maps keeps giving me the runaround. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently rewriting New York and would like to include a photo of the NYS Thruway either under construction (preferably an overpass or bridge) or today, but preferably as an overhead shot of I-90 with the Erie Canal and railroad lines in the shot (i.e. an encompassing photo of the history of transportation in New York). If anybody has any ideas of what could be good candidates, please let me know on my talk page. A photo like File:I-287 I-87.jpg is also nice, however, I'd prefer if the exit wasn't to a non-Thruway highway/road. Thanks in advance! upstate NYer 17:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion taking place at WT:HWY regarding the potential use of coordinates in highway articles. Your input is welcomed. -- Rs chen 7754 01:59, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a proposal to demote all state highway WikiProjects to task forces; see WT:USRD. -- Rs chen 7754 05:10, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Surely this picture would illustrate something nicely, but can anyone suggest where this is? Jim.henderson ( talk) 14:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I have audited all the USRD GAs from 2008 and earlier to check for serious issues like SPS use. The results are at User:Rschen7754/2008 USRD GA audit. In a week, I will start the delisting process for articles remaining on the list, but will try and spread out the delistings to give editors time to fix the affected articles. -- Rs chen 7754 02:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
There are proposed changes for the A-Class review for WP:HWY, to deal with situations where there are several opposes, and when the nominator has failed to respond to the comments. Your input is welcome at WT:HWY/ACR. -- Rs chen 7754 05:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:Infobox road junction. -- Rs chen 7754 21:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Template:County routes in Sullivan County, New York has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Mitch32( It is very likely this guy doesn't have a girlfriend.) 23:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion at the above page related to what additional sections (beyond the standard route description, history, junction list) can or must be included on a road article. -- Rs chen 7754 05:11, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads#Proposed demotion of WikiProject New York State routes. Dough 48 72 03:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
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Tonight I just created three categories for Transportation in Putnam County, New York, Dutchess County, New York, and Niagara County, New York, and like the others they're not just for roads. The exception to this is a category for Niagara County Roads. Whatever I'm missing, feel free to add these categories to the appropriate articles. ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's time to seriously discuss what just happened. It is as if one day, one user woke up, and decided out of the blue that he was going to split NYSR from USRD, and so he did. Granted, it was way orer-dramatized. It was nothing more than taking the project's name off of WP:USRD and getting a new project tag. There was no change in standards, no change in participants, and none of the predicted increase in activity. All the forking has done is cause problems. First, NYSR has lost access to all of USRD's services; MTF, ACR, and shields. There is an ongoing massive and dramatic fight on WT:USRD. And yet, we have gained nothing from the split. As such, I am proposing the two projects be merged. NYSR is, and will still be its own project, but under the supervision and standards of USRD. – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Can we start rebuilding the burned George Washington Bridge? -- NE2 16:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
The result of the straw poll below is that WP:NYSR should go back under WP:USRD. I saw a request at WP:AN for an admin to close this debate, so I have done so. I have no insight as to the practical steps needed to carry this out, and I hope the editors here will know what to do. EdJohnston ( talk) 18:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The discussion on WT:USRD and here is getting nowhere. Right now the best thing to do is have a straw poll, then we decide if we want to move NYSR back under USRD. Just sign with your signature, otherwise I'm sure we'll start arguing...
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Still oppose, things need to happen - and people don't seem to get the idea that if you don't "own" NYSR in retrospect, what rights do you have? On the AN thread only 1 person even supported you guys. I am tired of the constant bullying over this, accusing me of things, and I may have better chances vandalizing than dealing with USRD. Shoemaker makes a valid point below, even though not officially a member of the project, he is interested in helping with it at points. I don't care what the hell you guys will think of me after this, but I want NYSR to stay out so it gets its own valid standards, and not the cruddy ones we currently have. So fight me if you want, I'm not gonna support this merge.Mitch32( UP) 10:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)\
Hello all...
An image used in the article, specifically Image:Fdrnight10.jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.
You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.-- Jordan 1972 ( talk) 00:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
This map shows in solid red "State Roads (and connections through cities)", in other words roads maintained by the state outside cities. -- NE2 11:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
If people have been following my contributions, one of my favorite things to do is take pictures for various routes in New York or wherever for that matter. I have a few concerns. I like to browse images just to see whats out there, and some of the stuff I don't like. For example, we have used a lot of images from Doug Kerr's State-Ends.com. Many of those images are blurry, at night, through a windshield, poorly framed, etc. I think we should use our own collected images, and hold ourselves to a higher standard when posting images. I find State-Ends fascinating, but most of their images blow. I recently drove to Albany along US 9, taking pictures along the way. I threw a bunch out because I was frankly embarrassed to post them. I think we should make a real effort to get out of our cars wherever possible. Use common sense obviously, and I know there are simply places you can't get out. I also know some images through the windshield come out well, but use your best judgment when deciding to post one. This is merely an attempt to help clean up some of our images. This also isn't an address on what kinds of pictures to take. No one should go after someones creativity on what pictures to take and what not to take. What does everyone think? -- Airtuna08 ( talk) 19:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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As the title implies, this is a list of articles that have the long-deprecated communities list or the even-older "communities along the route" section but have no route description to merge the list into. You can help by writing a route description for these articles and integrating the communities list into the description. Thanks in advance.
– T M F 18:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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Is it time for an article? The highway, to be maintained by the state, should be complete in June or July. I have some pictures I believe and if someone could read the state law which seems to imply the RL Bypass:
9. Upon the completion and acceptance of the highway described as "beginning at a point on state highway nine thousand three hundred eighty-seven in the vicinity of the interchange with interstate route five hundred two (interstate route eighty-seven) thence generally northeasterly to or near the intersection of state highway six hundred ten and state highway one thousand seven hundred ninety-five", the commissioner is hereby authorized and directed to enter an official order of abandonment to the village of Round Lake of that portion of state highway nine thousand three hundred eighty-seven, and as included in an official order dated July twenty-seventh, nineteen hundred seventy from the above-described point as determined by the commissioner easterly to its intersection with state highway one thousand seven hundred ninety-five and upon the filing of certified copies of such official order with the county clerk, the county treasurer, the clerk of the board of supervisors, the county superintendent of highways, all of Saratoga county, and the state comptroller, the state shall cease to maintain such portion of state highway nine thousand three hundred eighty-seven and all rights and obligations of the state therein shall be turned over and surrendered to the village of Round Lake and such portion of said state highway shall thereafter be maintained by the village of Round Lake as a village road.
Anyway, shall we discuss what is going to happen here?3 1/2 years of Mitch 32 11:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Several New York-related merge proposals are active; please comment on them. Thanks.
– T M F 04:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
– T M F 22:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The Suffolk County stuff:
These four are merge candidates.3 1/2 years of Mitch 32 20:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The sub-title explainst it all;
Just curious. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 9, 2009 – Juliancolton | Talk 14:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
On the heels of the heated discussion above over county route articles, I have personally gone through and examined every standalone New York county route article in existence, looking primarily for notability and, if present, what the exact notability of the route is given as. The reason notability is key for county routes is that intracounty routes have no inherent notability (as discussed on WP:USRD/NT). County route articles that do not clearly establish the notability of the highway have historically been redirected or outright deleted at WP:AFD. Another item I considered while looking at every article is whether or not it would be beneficial to cover the information contained in the article elsewhere to eliminate unnecessary duplication between articles. The reasons behind eliminating duplication are two-fold: one, to help reduce the amount of content the project has to maintain and two, if new information comes to light, it will only need to be updated in one location rather than in many locations. With all of that said, here are my findings, and my suggestions are located below them:
Any county route articles that existed as of May 22 (when I compiled this list) but are not listed above have (IMO) a sufficient claim of notability and are indeed notable.
My suggestions are as follows, by county:
I didn't look at all the specifics, but in general you seem spot-on. One possibility for the old alignments of NY 17 would be to create an article about old NY 17 in general. Once I-86 is complete, maybe the logistics will be easier. -- NE2 04:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I will go on record by saying that a highway needs to establish its notability to be on Wikipedia. Being a county road by itself does not count as notability for inclusion on Wikipedia. I will also say that creating these articles on non-notable routes just to get GAs is academically dishonest. We should be working on articles that are actually good; the quality of the article is way more important than the classification. There have been plenty of warnings regarding the notability of such articles and of the possibility of them being merged; I firmly believe that it is time to enforce past consensus decisions regarding such routes and to get rid of these nonnotable articles. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 09:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Endorse everything that's been said here. While I appreciate the effort that's gone into some of these articles, we have to draw the line the somewhere. – Juliancolton | Talk 17:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Since this whole effort is going to be derailed if the above "discussion" (which is rapidly degrading) continues, I'll open up a separate section down here for any county listed above other than Suffolk. – T M F 16:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Wayne CR 101 has been moved to Lake Road (Western New York) and rewritten to match the name change. Lake Road is not locally known as County Route 101; it is known as "Lake Road". Plus, the entirety of Lake Road, 29 miles long, is notable by itself in a way: the Outlet Bridge-NY 250 portion was once NY 18, and the Bay Road-Sodus Point portion is part of the Seaway Trail, a National Scenic Byway. – T M F 19:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Warren CR 64 moved to New York State Route 9M and rewritten as detailed above. – T M F 08:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Erie CR 1 was merged to the county route list and Onondaga CR 236 has been sent to AFD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County Route 236 (Onondaga County, New York). – T M F 16:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Sullivan CR 166A and Dutchess CR 81 merged. – T M F 19:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Here's a series of items on my mind:
We currently have three glaringly sub-standard lists: the state route list, the former state route list, and the list of Interstate Highways in New York. The first is heavily cluttered; it has pictures for at least half the routes on the page, which is both unorthodox and unnecessary. It also adds unnecessary size to the page in terms of the extra code that is needed to add the pictures to the page, and slows down the rendering of the page because users have to load every image on the page. The list is big enough; we don't need anything extra. That's why we never attempted to put shields on the page. Users have told me that their computer has frozen and/or their browser has crashed trying to load the list. For me, the list loads but is sluggish. This makes the list unusable to a portion of our readership, which is frankly embarrassing. I propose that all pictures be removed from the table and moved to the individual route articles. – T M F 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The second is the former state route list. The need for it is currently unclear; there's no difference between the way it covers former routes and how the main list does. Now, if the former route list is redone to state more details about the former routes, perhaps we could move the former routes to that list and restrict the main list to active routes. But as of right now, the former route list is redundant. – T M F 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The third item is the Interstate Highway list. It's not as bad as either of the first two, but it does omit any coverage of former Interstate Highways in New York, which is something that should not be done. Our coverage doesn't stop at active routes. IMO the list needs to be pruned a bit too (necessity of shields? descriptions vs. just termini?). – T M F 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Re: WP:NYSR inactivity check
I'm currently on vacation, so I'm not as active on Wikipedia in general, let alone Project New York Roads. I should be resuming regular activity, and previous activities in July 2009. ----
DanTD (
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I have proposed a new task force for roads in New York here. – T M F 03:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Continuing on from the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads#Proposal: new task force for roads in New_York, I formally propose to this project that it expands its scope to include ALL roads in the New York State. As I'm an outsider, obviously I'll leave the wording to you guys, but it seems like the logical next step in the expansion of this project. Go forth and discuss :-) Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
At the same time as expanding the scope, I wonder if it could also be considered that the WikiProject become a Task Force of WikiProject New York. This would have little/no direct on the functioning of wp:NYSR, which would continue to have its own Talk page and project page (just perhaps relabelled as a Task force and describing a relationship to the statewide wikiproject), would continue to get its own reporting of tallies of articles by importance and quality class ratings, and so on. The benefit would be largely to the state-wide "parent" wikiproject, which has never been very successful on its own and was in fact formed after WikiProject New York City and perhaps NYSR and other natural "child" wikiprojects. And to other current and future "child" type Task Forces of wikiproject New York. In logistical terms, I believe the main task would be to run a bot to replace the wp:NYSR banner on article Talk pages by a revised banner that identifies the articles as part of the NYSR Task force within wp:NY. A small benefit is that Talk pages would be less cluttered, having just one one banner for what may have been 2 wikiproject banners on the same page, in the past.
I believe wp:NYSR is by far the most active and successful NYS wikiproject (except perhaps wp:NYC which i don't know much about). Other regional child wikiprojects including wp:SYR, of which I am a member, have had inadequate quorums to hold decent discussions and have been unsatisfactory traps for new members occasionally coming by. The Syracuse one should have been framed as Central New York to capture a broader potential membership, in my view. Not too long ago I opposed creation of wp:capdis which has been somewhat more successful, perhaps, and to which i have contributed and am an "honorary" member. Occasionally there are proposals to create wikiprojects for incredibly small topics within NYS, such as for University of Rochester only. I still think that the Albany/Capital District one, the Long Island one, and other potential big regional wikiprojects (North Country, Western New York, Southern Tier), should all best be created as Task Forces within wp:NY and sharing common elements such as assessment systems, a central discussion area (although each Task Force would also have its own).
The successful model is wp:MILHIST which has numerous Task Forces. Membership and work of its Task Forces is equally prestigious, and there are benefits to each of its Task Forces from the common support and easy interaction with other task force projects there. Guidelines for design of Task forces are discussed at wp:TASKFORCE.
I believe it would help wp:NY to have a successful, active NYSR Task Force, and it would make it easier then to organize other regional Task Forces within the state. Would members here be willing to revamp NYSR in this way? I am prompted to propose this now because of the proposed change in scope of NYSR. If the scope decision is to expand, then the changes relating to that could efficiently be implemented together with changing into a Task Force as well. doncram ( talk) 22:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
USRD, de facto and (disputed) de jure, covers all roads including county routes, except minor city streets. Thus any arguments against making NYSR a NY task force would seem to apply just as well to splitting off county routes to a NY task force. -- NE2 02:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not convinced this route ever existed. None of my maps show the 341 designation extending into New York from Connecticut (many clearly show it ending at the state line), and the only map that does show a "NY 341" is a late 1940s USGS topo (and with its 96's and 338's [supposed to be 9G and 33B] it's not the best source to use). Does anyone have any information that could shed some light on the matter? – T M F 17:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
As a follow-up, the only 341 that I can find is one in the vicinity of Pawling. It connected NY 22 to the Connecticut state line but the routing is really unclear. The 1930 Socony map of New York shows a highway in this area as part of NY 55. Based on locations and currently existing roads, it used Quaker Hill and Meeting House Roads. The 1935 Sunoco map has 55 going to Connecticut on its modern alignment and old 55 east of 22 as 341. Unfortunately, the routing on this map is even more unclear. The last map I have that shows the route is the 1940 Gousha map, which has a clearer routing but still looks to be Quaker Hill and Meeting House Roads. However, that is the only one of my three 1940 maps that shows it, and none of my other 1940s maps has the route. – T M F 18:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Here's another theory I came up with last night. Based on the CT 341 article, that route was established in the 1932 CT renumbering and was one of a small number of routes numbered in the 300s. The SPS in that article assumes that the high number was assigned for continuation with NY 341. Since the NY 341 near Pawling was in place by 1935, perhaps the Kent-Wassaic 341 was the original alignment of 341 established in the 1930 NY renumbering? The only 1930 map I have shows Bog Hollow Road but doesn't label it with a designation. – T M F 21:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
See here. – T M F 21:31, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Just yesterday the NPS announced that the Whiteface Mountain toll road has been listed on the National Register of Historic Places. I have updated the article appropriately, but there are two interesting things here:
Although its not a recent change, I have found the alignments of NY 329 and NY 409, rather boring routes, are both on the national register of historic places. They were added in 2002 for the Watkins Glen Grand Prix Race Course, which used the entirety of the two routes. This is just for information only, and want to make sure the project knows that NY 431 is the only one on it :P. Mitch32( Want help? See here!) 22:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I compiled a list of the routes in the original system from the 1910s and early 1920s here. One thing to note: if the state highway number is 5xxx, it was part of one of these. (8xxx was federal aid and 9xxx was taken over by the state for other reasons.) -- NE2 05:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
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Does anybody remember when I added that line in the article on New York State Route 23 regarding the repeated use of tenth-mile marker signs from that route as a promotion in road maps and atlases? Well, here's an example of this( http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6772/ny2310thmilemarkersinma.jpg). Believe it or not, this one is fairly recent. It was in the 1993 USA Today Sports Atlas, but H.M. Gousha and other map companies have had them around much longer than that. ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I made a complete audit of the NY assessment categories earlier today, changing the assessments of articles to match the guidelines at WP:USRD/A where necessary. The most common change was the demotion of articles that were assessed as B-Class but had an unreferenced or mostly unreferenced route description, which bumps it down to C-Class. If anyone has any questions on why I reassessed an article a particular way, feel free to ask here or on my talk page. Thanks. – T M F 00:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to make an annoucement; The route description for County Route 97 (Suffolk County, New York)(Nicolls Road) was finally flipped from south to north. Having said that, the construction of the road was from north to south, so I'd like to leave it that way in the history chapter. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Is there a template for New York Reference Routes? I'd like to add one for roads that intersect with New York State Reference Route 900D(old Sunrise Highway, in Amityville & Massapequa). ---- DanTD ( talk) 19:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I've submitted a request to have NYSR be subscribed to the popular pages service, which tracks the project's most popular articles on a monthly basis. If and when the request is approved, the popular pages page will be located at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York State routes/Popular pages. The soonest that the page will be created is October 1. (For those unfamiliar with the popular pages system, see WP:USRD/PP, USRD's popular pages list.) – T M F 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The article on Robert Moses Causeway has been tagged for expansion since May 2008, and justifiably so. How's this for an expansion? ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject New York State routes to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York State routes/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 00:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I've been struggling for quite a while to complete a List of county roads in Orange County, New York, but I've been bogged down with other WikiProjects, as well as others both on the web and in real life. So if anybody is willing to take this off of my hands and finish it, I'd gladly turn my sandbox over to them. ---- DanTD ( talk) 06:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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Can somebody give me the distance of Tiorati Brook Road between the Tiorati Circle and the Lake Welch Parkway interchange? Google maps keeps giving me the runaround. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently rewriting New York and would like to include a photo of the NYS Thruway either under construction (preferably an overpass or bridge) or today, but preferably as an overhead shot of I-90 with the Erie Canal and railroad lines in the shot (i.e. an encompassing photo of the history of transportation in New York). If anybody has any ideas of what could be good candidates, please let me know on my talk page. A photo like File:I-287 I-87.jpg is also nice, however, I'd prefer if the exit wasn't to a non-Thruway highway/road. Thanks in advance! upstate NYer 17:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion taking place at WT:HWY regarding the potential use of coordinates in highway articles. Your input is welcomed. -- Rs chen 7754 01:59, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a proposal to demote all state highway WikiProjects to task forces; see WT:USRD. -- Rs chen 7754 05:10, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Surely this picture would illustrate something nicely, but can anyone suggest where this is? Jim.henderson ( talk) 14:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I have audited all the USRD GAs from 2008 and earlier to check for serious issues like SPS use. The results are at User:Rschen7754/2008 USRD GA audit. In a week, I will start the delisting process for articles remaining on the list, but will try and spread out the delistings to give editors time to fix the affected articles. -- Rs chen 7754 02:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
There are proposed changes for the A-Class review for WP:HWY, to deal with situations where there are several opposes, and when the nominator has failed to respond to the comments. Your input is welcome at WT:HWY/ACR. -- Rs chen 7754 05:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:Infobox road junction. -- Rs chen 7754 21:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Template:County routes in Sullivan County, New York has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Mitch32( It is very likely this guy doesn't have a girlfriend.) 23:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion at the above page related to what additional sections (beyond the standard route description, history, junction list) can or must be included on a road article. -- Rs chen 7754 05:11, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads#Proposed demotion of WikiProject New York State routes. Dough 48 72 03:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)