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I have just created Portal:U.S. Roads. If you have any feedback, please place it under "Portal" at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads. Rt66lt 03:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Here's an idea I've been playing around with. There seems to be alot of minor state highways in MD (some less than a mile long) that aren't worth writing an entire article about but still should be part of the project. So, to cover these I figured we could put them under a single article (say, List of minor Maryland state highways) that would inlclude a short paragraph on each of them. Sound like a good idea? -Jeff 13:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up, I've started working on the SVG shields. The only problem with the current templates is that the word "MARYLAND" is too small. That should be fixed in a few days as soon as I can upload the new versions of the images to the Commons. -Jeff 04:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been planning a routebox. A prototype can be found at user:Jeff02/test page, I'd like to know what eveyone thinks about it and how it can be improved. Note that I plan on using this not only for numbered routes but for other major highways such as the Baltimore-Washington Parkway. The planned parameters are:
The major junctions heading is a little large... or at least it is in Safari. -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 06:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, considering this has gone for a few days without comment, (and didn't get any comments about the parameters, only layout), I'll assume it's ready. I'll create it at {{ Infobox Maryland highway}}, with redirects at {{ Infobox Maryland state highway}}, {{ Infobox Maryland State Highway}}, and {{ Routebox MD}} -Jeff (talk) 13:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
If you haven't heard about this yet, User:SPUI is on a renaming rampage and although he has not hit Maryland yet, he has proposed at Talk:List of Maryland state highways that we move the articles to MD X. However, this convention is not used by the general public and therefore we should opt for a more commonly used convention per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). Indeed the current convention is not commonly used either, but we should wait until Wikipedia:Naming conventions/Numbered highways is decided before moving pages (which is basically what I told SPUI, so hopefully he won't be moving the pages).
I just wanted to let everyone be aware that we might be hit, and that SPUI (as far as I know) is under probation. Also, please be aware that articles under this wikiproject (and other US road wikiprojects) cannot be moved without consensus per Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive84. So, if anyone moves one of the pages under this project without consensus, please tell them about this on their talk page, and if it was done by SPUI it should probably be reported to an admin. -Jeff (talk) 01:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Like I said in my last post, we need a new naming convention for route articles since the current one isn't commonly used. Most people over at WP:NC/NH seem to agree that the general consensus is to leave this task to the individual states. So I've come up with a few conventions that I think would be good:
So please let me know what you think of them, massive edit wars have taken place at other projects over what is the "correct" name so I figured we should decide right now what convention we are going to use for this project and stick with it until we get a consensus to change. -Jeff (talk) 02:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Here are some Google test results:
They pretty much eliminate Maryland State Route X and Maryland State Highway X as common names. Also, I don't think Route X (Maryland) is a good idea due to the potential for it to be ambiguous (to someone unfarmiliar with Wikipedia's conventions, does Route 222 (Maryland) mean MD 222 or US 222 in Maryland?), so right now the best choice does seem to be Maryland Route X. -Jeff (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Alright then, I'll wait 24 hours before moving pages to the Maryland Route X convention, so that anyone who might object can get their opinion in. -Jeff (talk) 13:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I also agree with Maryland Route X, as it is sometimes used both my the SHA and in state laws. -- SPUI ( T - C) 21:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I added MD Ends to the State Highways list. If you want additional images of anything along roads in Montgomery or Prince George's Counties, just let me know. Chances are good I might already have them; or I could photograph them while out in the field. -- Thisisbossi 11:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
As proof that I have way too much time on my hands, I've been working on a new look for the project page. I added a useful links box at the very top so they are easily accesible to anyone who's contributing, I also split a lot of the info to the new editing guide subpage, and I moved the {{ Project U.S. Roads}} template up so you don't have to scroll way down just to get to the top of the thing. Maybe I'm going a bit overboard putting the intro in its own pretty box, but I wanted it to stand out for anyone visiting the page for the first time. Hopefully this new interface makes the page better organized, and also I plan on reorganizing some more stuff on the main page and editing guide later on. -Jeff (talk) 04:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
We should come up with a list of items an article needs to have for it to not be considered a stub. Ex. History, Names, major junctions etc. For instance, MD 10 in my opinion should be considered a stub, but who am I to say what is and isn't. Hollowman512 23:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Here are some of my ideas of what sections we should have:
That's basically what we have now, just assigning what should be required in a non-stub. Also, all non-stubs should at least include a routebox with the parameters filled in, just putting a routebox on the article without parameters does not constitute giving it a routebox!
Well that's all I can think of, if anyone has any other ideas of what should be included please go ahead and post them. -Jeff (talk) 02:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Should we make it a requirement that some kind of photo needs to be on a page before it isnt a stub? I have a picture of the eastern terminus of MD 177, so maybe a requirement could be to have pictures of the routes termini. Hollowman512 22:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
If anyone here hasn't seen the oversized link in the news box, or simply hasn't decided to take part in the debate (which I wouldn't blame you for), here's what's going on: First of all, it doesn't seem like we are going to have to move our articles no matter how this turns out. There are two main "principles" that are being decided between, the first favors preppending the state name to route names, and the second favors Wikipedia-style disambiguation (route name (state)). Our naming convention already follows the first principle, and the second has already allowed Maryland and some other states as exceptions. This will soon come down to a state-by-state debate and the debates will be held at each wikiproject (starting Sept 4). I don't know if we are supposed to have another discussion on this or if we can just cite the old one, but we'll worry about that when September 4th comes. -Jeff (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 00:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Should the Route description, Cities and towns list, and Major junctions follow the same order convention (i.e. North to South, West to East) as the Infobox? – Shoaler ( talk) 11:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to be linked on their site, but the SHA has a 2005 Baltimore City Highway Location Reference at [3]. -- NE2 20:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The convention that I've created in the MD 7 and MD 144 articles with regards to enumerating junctioned routes for each separate route segment seems reasonable enough, and relatively clear. Is it acceptable to the WikiProject? - TheOneKEA
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I have just created Portal:U.S. Roads. If you have any feedback, please place it under "Portal" at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads. Rt66lt 03:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Here's an idea I've been playing around with. There seems to be alot of minor state highways in MD (some less than a mile long) that aren't worth writing an entire article about but still should be part of the project. So, to cover these I figured we could put them under a single article (say, List of minor Maryland state highways) that would inlclude a short paragraph on each of them. Sound like a good idea? -Jeff 13:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up, I've started working on the SVG shields. The only problem with the current templates is that the word "MARYLAND" is too small. That should be fixed in a few days as soon as I can upload the new versions of the images to the Commons. -Jeff 04:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been planning a routebox. A prototype can be found at user:Jeff02/test page, I'd like to know what eveyone thinks about it and how it can be improved. Note that I plan on using this not only for numbered routes but for other major highways such as the Baltimore-Washington Parkway. The planned parameters are:
The major junctions heading is a little large... or at least it is in Safari. -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 06:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, considering this has gone for a few days without comment, (and didn't get any comments about the parameters, only layout), I'll assume it's ready. I'll create it at {{ Infobox Maryland highway}}, with redirects at {{ Infobox Maryland state highway}}, {{ Infobox Maryland State Highway}}, and {{ Routebox MD}} -Jeff (talk) 13:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
If you haven't heard about this yet, User:SPUI is on a renaming rampage and although he has not hit Maryland yet, he has proposed at Talk:List of Maryland state highways that we move the articles to MD X. However, this convention is not used by the general public and therefore we should opt for a more commonly used convention per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). Indeed the current convention is not commonly used either, but we should wait until Wikipedia:Naming conventions/Numbered highways is decided before moving pages (which is basically what I told SPUI, so hopefully he won't be moving the pages).
I just wanted to let everyone be aware that we might be hit, and that SPUI (as far as I know) is under probation. Also, please be aware that articles under this wikiproject (and other US road wikiprojects) cannot be moved without consensus per Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive84. So, if anyone moves one of the pages under this project without consensus, please tell them about this on their talk page, and if it was done by SPUI it should probably be reported to an admin. -Jeff (talk) 01:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Like I said in my last post, we need a new naming convention for route articles since the current one isn't commonly used. Most people over at WP:NC/NH seem to agree that the general consensus is to leave this task to the individual states. So I've come up with a few conventions that I think would be good:
So please let me know what you think of them, massive edit wars have taken place at other projects over what is the "correct" name so I figured we should decide right now what convention we are going to use for this project and stick with it until we get a consensus to change. -Jeff (talk) 02:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Here are some Google test results:
They pretty much eliminate Maryland State Route X and Maryland State Highway X as common names. Also, I don't think Route X (Maryland) is a good idea due to the potential for it to be ambiguous (to someone unfarmiliar with Wikipedia's conventions, does Route 222 (Maryland) mean MD 222 or US 222 in Maryland?), so right now the best choice does seem to be Maryland Route X. -Jeff (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Alright then, I'll wait 24 hours before moving pages to the Maryland Route X convention, so that anyone who might object can get their opinion in. -Jeff (talk) 13:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I also agree with Maryland Route X, as it is sometimes used both my the SHA and in state laws. -- SPUI ( T - C) 21:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I added MD Ends to the State Highways list. If you want additional images of anything along roads in Montgomery or Prince George's Counties, just let me know. Chances are good I might already have them; or I could photograph them while out in the field. -- Thisisbossi 11:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
As proof that I have way too much time on my hands, I've been working on a new look for the project page. I added a useful links box at the very top so they are easily accesible to anyone who's contributing, I also split a lot of the info to the new editing guide subpage, and I moved the {{ Project U.S. Roads}} template up so you don't have to scroll way down just to get to the top of the thing. Maybe I'm going a bit overboard putting the intro in its own pretty box, but I wanted it to stand out for anyone visiting the page for the first time. Hopefully this new interface makes the page better organized, and also I plan on reorganizing some more stuff on the main page and editing guide later on. -Jeff (talk) 04:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
We should come up with a list of items an article needs to have for it to not be considered a stub. Ex. History, Names, major junctions etc. For instance, MD 10 in my opinion should be considered a stub, but who am I to say what is and isn't. Hollowman512 23:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Here are some of my ideas of what sections we should have:
That's basically what we have now, just assigning what should be required in a non-stub. Also, all non-stubs should at least include a routebox with the parameters filled in, just putting a routebox on the article without parameters does not constitute giving it a routebox!
Well that's all I can think of, if anyone has any other ideas of what should be included please go ahead and post them. -Jeff (talk) 02:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Should we make it a requirement that some kind of photo needs to be on a page before it isnt a stub? I have a picture of the eastern terminus of MD 177, so maybe a requirement could be to have pictures of the routes termini. Hollowman512 22:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
If anyone here hasn't seen the oversized link in the news box, or simply hasn't decided to take part in the debate (which I wouldn't blame you for), here's what's going on: First of all, it doesn't seem like we are going to have to move our articles no matter how this turns out. There are two main "principles" that are being decided between, the first favors preppending the state name to route names, and the second favors Wikipedia-style disambiguation (route name (state)). Our naming convention already follows the first principle, and the second has already allowed Maryland and some other states as exceptions. This will soon come down to a state-by-state debate and the debates will be held at each wikiproject (starting Sept 4). I don't know if we are supposed to have another discussion on this or if we can just cite the old one, but we'll worry about that when September 4th comes. -Jeff (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 00:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Should the Route description, Cities and towns list, and Major junctions follow the same order convention (i.e. North to South, West to East) as the Infobox? – Shoaler ( talk) 11:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to be linked on their site, but the SHA has a 2005 Baltimore City Highway Location Reference at [3]. -- NE2 20:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The convention that I've created in the MD 7 and MD 144 articles with regards to enumerating junctioned routes for each separate route segment seems reasonable enough, and relatively clear. Is it acceptable to the WikiProject? - TheOneKEA