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I've come up with some suggestions at User:Rschen7754/Manifesto. I was wondering what people thought. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 01:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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Nobody has "special privileges" in discussions, whether they founded the project, work for the DOT, or have 12 featured articles in the project.
I don't understand what "editorial and managerial decisions relating to their own state" are. Would there be a USRD-wide manual of style or equivalent? I also object to the idea that a project with one or two active editors can make all the decisions about these issues, when they are part of the encyclopedia, not just a project. Can you give an example of something a project could decide? -- NE2 16:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if NE2 could clarify his position above, as it is unclear what the issues are. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 01:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok perhaps what we need to think about is this. There needs to be some sort of cohesion between the state roads and this i feel needs to be in the form of USRD guidelines. These need to be general guidelines that are set for all projects for examples terms that are contentious, perhaps things that are required in an article like history, route description etc etc etc. Then the state projects below then should be allowed to explore beyond these guidelines as long as there is consensus within that stateproject. If things that are being done at state level work really well then it should then be discussed about the possibility of employing this across USRD. If a state is doing something that someone doesn't like it should first be discussed at state level. Then if that does not solve the problem then it should be brought to USRD. As long as the main guidelines, set out by USRD are followed there is no reason for sub projects to explore new ideas. Seddon69 ( talk) 23:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The intentions of this manifesto was to explain that several editors realize that toes were being stepped on by exhibiting "power" over the state wikiproject - power that should not exist. The pages at USRD (USRD/INNA, USRD/MTF, USRD/S, etc - are guidelines. They don't supercede any Wikipedia guidelines at all. Combining the participants list was a mistake, and the opportunity is being taken to repair the damages from that mistake - one that has been understood. Seddon69 pretty much explained what would be the best approach - and I understand that other "hierarchial like" projects may be following similar patterns. I support this - not blindly. — master son T - C 23:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Everyone will agree that the past few months have not gone over well. We have major problems here and it is the two users who cannot agree with each other, Rschen7754 and NE2. Or if you'd rather me be less specific, USRD and NE2.
A great user and all. The founder of USRD, the head honcho in some ways. Well, he has a problem just standing up and putting down NE2's views and making him agree with USRD. Its apparently gonna take more than a great debate, an ArbCom case, a failed mediation, 3 RFCs and other things to get him to agree. Listen Rschen: You need to stand up for your ideas better. You gotta try harder. You gotta work harder.
You are according to others, the new SPUI. Personally, I like to give you chances because I don't know you well. But, breaking consensus multiple times, not agreeing, incivility, and other things I won't get into cause no help to anyone. Please try to work harder to make a compromise.
WHAT you gotta understand is that USRD is a collaborative effort. The more arguing we put into it, the worse we look as friends. Collaborative users are to be friends, not complete enemies. Please can we come to some kind of decision and decide what to do from now on?! Mitch 32 contribs 00:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I certainly don't see Rschen7754 as an enemy, and I'd hope he doesn't see me as one. -- NE2 01:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Presently over half the articles in Category:High-importance U.S. road transport articles are about Interstates. Interstates certainly are high-importance, but it seems non-Interstates are being forgotten. It can be nice, especially on a state level, to have a range of importance, rather than the vast majority of state-numbered highways at mid-importance, so editors wanting to work on an article can find one. Would it be a good idea to specify that being on the National Highway System makes a route high-importance (except for intermodal connectors and other spur types, and except for short pieces of a long route that simply serve to connect a route to the end of a longer one, like SR 36 between I-5 and SR 99 and between SR 44 and US 395)? In California, this would be about 1/4 of the system; most (?) other states have at least the density that California has, and would thus have a similar or smaller proportion as high-importance. Of course if there's another reason that a route is importance, such as SR 480, it can be high-importance without being on the NHS. -- NE2 16:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I added this to Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment#Importance scale. -- NE2 13:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a reminder - if you expand the text (not counting exit lists, infoboxes, and such) of an article fivefold, you can get it added to did you know as long as you can find a relatively interesting referenced fact (see WP:USRD/DYK for examples). With the amount of one-sentence stubs out there, this is actually pretty easy. -- NE2 19:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Auxiliary U.S. Route -- TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 21:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick tip for those trying to improve the quality of articles and get them passed through WP:GA. Make sure you have a good lead paragraph, see WP:LEAD if you need help. It is the first thing a reader sees and sometimes determines if they will want to read anymore. I was looking at some of the nominations we currently have over at WP:GAN and I noticed California State Route 174. This article will definitely not get passed through as is. The lead paragraph is much too short and doesn't summarize the article. Basically, for every section of the article you need at least one sentence in the lead summarizing the main points of that section. Depending on the length of the section, the portion in the lead should be based on that length. I know when I am looking at articles, this is the first thing I nitpick as to me it is the most important part. The lead should be able to stand on its own and give the reader a general idea of the topic. If they want more details, they will continue to read. -- Holderca1 talk 14:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone has asked here exactly what point highway sign makers use for distances to towns. I thought someone here might know. Please answer on the Desk or on my talk page if you do. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 18:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Found it: http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20051108/NEWS/111080052 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemeistermoab ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Can we add a prohibition on sections like California State Route 160#Legal definition or California State Route 65#State law? The information can all be placed elsewhere, as it is in SR 160, making this section redundant. -- NE2 12:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
California, Mississippi, Utah, Washington, and one of the Dakotas (?) define routes by state law. Minnesota also does, but the numbers don't match the signed numbers (like California pre-1964, Pennsylvania pre-1980s). There may be other states too. -- NE2 21:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
So what is the conclusion of this? -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 20:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Can I please have some comments on Talk:New York State Route 174 on whether it should be a Good Article? Thank you. -- NE2 18:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just made a new logo for our WikiProject! This uses a blank U.S. Route Shield and the shield for Interstate 95 (without "95"). Enjoy! — ComputerGuy890100 • Talk • 01:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
NJSCR is having a discussion about project improving proposals. Its on the talk page. Mitch 32 contribs 03:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I created Category: Images of traffic signs to organize all the images. I'd have called the category road signs which seems more inclusive to me, but Wikipedia's Road signs simply redirects to Traffic signs. Doczilla ( talk) 03:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The Commons categories are basically useless because they're split between two redundant cats: Roads in x and Road signs in x, where x is the state. I advocated merging them but it seems a people love useless categories, so it was shot down. I'd recommend devoting any categorizing energy to resolving that, if anything.— Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 04:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I would say limit it to just the images that are on Wikipedia only, which should just be the fair use images that can't be at the commons, otherwise, you would have a lot of work on your hands. There are over 1,000 Texas highway images on the commons, I don't think you want to go through all those. We already have a page that links to all the commons cats anyways. Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields/Database. -- Holderca1 talk 14:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
This is a proposal to weaken the superseded images policy at commons, which is having effects at Wikipedia such as user confusion about which image to use. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 04:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[2] -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 06:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Texas FM shields -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 06:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I just created this article. Does anyone know of any examples outside California, not counting the New Jersey Turnpike which is a different sort of thing? I can't think of any, and I suspect it's a California-only thing, but I'd like to be sure. -- NE2 08:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
How do people feel about creating a list entitled List of exceptions to the Interstate Highway System? Can such a list be both thorough and properly referenced? We already have List of gaps in Interstate Highways, which is a more specific version of the concept.
I'm thinking what would go here are system exceptions (I-99 being west of just about everything), directional exceptions (I-69 runs east-west?), auxiliary interstate exceptions (I-635 in Texas, apparently) and the like. — Rob ( talk) 16:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey,
There's a note on Stratosphere's talk page that the Michican highway Wikiproject template has been nominated for speedy deletion.
[5]
[6]. I searched and found nothing else regarding this. What's the news?
25or6to4 (
talk) 00:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Interstate_Highways#AARoads -- Holderca1 talk 04:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The 75 IP is continuing to make poor edits. At what point do we term this vandalism? (Terming this as vandalism means that we can rollback and block). -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 04:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
[indent reset] I am concerned with the IP, however. He refused to create an account after being asked to, since that enables us to communicate much easier with them. ^_^ AL2TB ^_^ 03:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[7]??? Are we sure of the AL2TB=Artisol12345 connection? -- NE2 04:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
For those who don't know: The St. Louis signer is an IP editor that continually edits St. Louis-related articles on highways (interstates, Missouri state highways that are freeways, and some in Illinois as well) and television channels to change things to uppercase against various MOS guidelines, including the exit list guide. In addition, they'd append their ~~~~ signature to the end of the article. After continual reversion of this editor, leaving notes on their talk pages, and leaving HTML comments in the target articles, it became clear that they were getting the message and just being stubborn, so after taking it to the admin noticeboard, they were blocked. Krimpet has been happy to renew the block as needed, so it's been less of an issue as of late. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 04:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Highways 2/Proposed decision#Motion for dismissal -- NE2 01:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
For some reason several of the Texas articles are not being counted by the bot, see Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Texas_road_transport_articles_by_quality_log#February_20.2C_2008 where the bot is removing them. Although, I don't think it is the bot that is acting up, for some reason, these articles aren't showing up in the category either, but if you go to the talk page of the article, it will still show that it is indeed in that category. I don't have a clue as to what is going on. -- Holderca1 talk 17:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll finish fixing the stats tomorrow; until things are straightened out I've been factoring in the articles removed. Let me know if there are any mistakes; today I discovered that Iowa and Maine weren't updated in a few months since they never made it onto my watchlist! (Oops). -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 07:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I just haven't gotten around to creating a stub article or adding content to this yet. But I'm not against deletion, either, depending on how categories for scenic routes should work. — Rob ( talk) 17:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
NE2 is challenging following a state DOT standard at Template talk:Infobox road/MO/abbrev Interstate. Input requested. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 01:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
WP:USRD/AID has been inactive lately. Many efforts to revive it have failed. Are there any objections to shutting it down and tagging it as {{ historical}}? -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 05:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
In response to recent edits to U.S. Route 301 in Maryland, a discussion was started at WT:MDRD#<national highway> in Maryland articles regarding the first sentence in articles on sections of U.S. and Interstate highways in a particular state (Maryland in that case, but it really applies to any state). I proposed that they be written to be consistent with most Wikipedia articles by formatting them as "<route name> in <state> is a highway...". The other version, which US 301 in Maryland was being changed to, only bolded "U.S. Route 301", a third version doesn't bold anything at all, arguing that the title of the articles in merely descriptive. Considering that this applies to any state, I figured I'd ask here what other editors think. -Jeff (talk) 17:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Requesting help at U.S. Route 50 in California. -- NE2 01:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Two discussions are ongoing at WT:USRD/SUB. Firstly, a task force for all the various non-state areas of the United States is proposed; this would include D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, and several other territories.
Secondly, the Kansas state highways subproject is proposed for demotion to task force. Comments welcome on these discussions. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 08:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Three Digit System of Highways in Puerto Rico — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 05:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to expand this to articles that don't have a junction list? I'm not saying we should go and tag everything (though I wouldn't complain if someone does), but it would be useful to see what people want junction lists added to. -- NE2 16:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
It seems to me that it's pretty clear we're not including junction lists in this category. So why was this tagged? Never mind that it's debatable whether or not it even needs attention... It's not even a junction list! -- Kéiryn ( talk) 14:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
When these are getting tagged, could we get a quick note on the talk page regarding what is wrong? If you are reviewing it the first place and see something wrong, go ahead and pass that along. It doesn't make sense for the next editor to come along and stare at it to try and figure out what is wrong. -- Holderca1 talk 15:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
So are we using this for junction lists or not? -- Kéiryn ( talk) 16:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with most of the posters above, if you're going to tag an article as needing attention, you need to specify what needs to be done. Stratosphere| Talk 17:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I just cleaned up Florida State Road 9A's exit list, and it appears I was a bit overzealous in tagging. -- NE2 05:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Do you think it would be a good idea to make sure all the articles like Category:Start-Class Interstate Highway System articles and Category:High-importance Washington road transport articles are subcategories of the correspending U.S. categories and then tag them with __HIDDENCAT__ to reduce the "category clutter" on the talk pages? -- NE2 00:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
There's still a significant backlog of U.S. Road articles at wp:good article nominations. We do not have enough regular reviewers to deal with all the nominations received, and unfortunately certain topics seem to suffer more than others. The good news is that the review process is relatively simple and any registered user is more than welcome to participate. If you'd like to help out, simply pick an article you haven't contributed to from the list and see if it meets every good article criteria. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the good article nominations talk page or even directly on my talk page. -- jwanders Talk 21:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's also not forget that we need reviewers at WP:USRD/A/ACR as well. -- Holderca1 talk 20:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
NE2's most recent response to me above sparked something else in my mind, but to avoid the danger of starting a tangent, I figured it was more deserving of its own section header.
In my previous incarnation, when we were arguing over the exit list guide, I was a big believer that when it came to formatting, exit lists and junction lists were exactly the same thing. That is, there's no reason they should be formatted differently. That being said, they are in fact, two very different things. An exit list is a list of exits on a freeway. A junction list is a list of junctions with other state highways.
The question I'm having is when NE2 says, "US 9 is pretty good; the main issue is the colors. There also seem to be some interchanges missing near the north end." You're absolutely right, there's an interchange for New Brunswick Avenue, and possibly one or two others, that isn't listed. Because it's not an exit list, it's a junction list. It's a junction list for a 136-mile road that happens to have a 3-mile long freeway section at the northern end. So at what point does a road become a freeway that needs to have every exit listed, and when is it just a regular old highway? For that matter, what is an exit? Do we need to list CR 522 just because it's grade-separated, or can we leave it off since it's not a state highway?
On a loosely related topic, at the A-class review for New Jersey Route 18, NE2 said he added all the junctions for the non-freeway part at jughandles. Well, at first I thought, that's a great idea. However, during the recent discussion, I realized Race Track Road, Tices Lane, and Eggers Street aren't actually major intersections worthy of inclusion on the list.
So what do we do? Where do we draw the line between an exit list and a junction list? -- Kéiryn 17:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Lemme try this again with a much shorter question.
Even if a highway is primarily a surface route, every freeway section should have a full exit list. Yes or no? -- Kéiryn 19:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it should matter if the intersecting road is a state highway - of course if it is a state highway, the intersection is major, but if it's not, the intersection can still be major. For instance, California State Route 82#Major intersections includes all county routes, and at least one intersection per city, since it is basically the "main street" for the peninsula. On California State Route 149#Major intersections, since there are only three intersections, I listed them all. -- NE2 02:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
M62 motorway is today's featured article. Will ( talk) 18:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Without an apparent explanation, User:Freewayguy moved {{ 3di 69}} to {{ I-69 aux}}. This seems like it will break the entire group of {{ 3di}} templates that were carefully crafted. I think we need to move it back, any thoughts. -- KelleyCook ( talk) 20:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
As I understand it, copyrighted photos can be used under fair use if a free version can't be reproduced. So would an photo such as this be acceptable to use on the I-37 article? -- Holderca1 talk 03:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm a member of the WikiProject Articles for Creation. We validate and create articles for users who do not have accounts or want to submit articles anonymously. Recently, a submitter has been providing a ton of redirect requests regarding various state routes in California. Most of these have been pretty simple, such as CA 18 to California State Route 18. However, today, there has been a number of requests for redirects for various named interchanges to be added as well. Some examples of these include Daniel D. Mikesell interchange to Interstate 15 in California and William E. Leonard interchange to Interstate 210 and State Route 210 (California). I really can't find much online that refers to these named interchanges and it really doesn't seem that these redirects serve much purpose to me. However, before we created or declined them, I wanted to ask you all at the US Roads WikiProject what you thought about these proposed redirect requests. How do they fall within your guidelines and style? -- ShinmaWa( talk) 16:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
My initial leaning is no, but User:jnestorius brings up an interesting argument here. Please leave comments on that page - thanks! — Rob ( talk) 01:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
After reading through the Mantanmoreland case, I'm starting to doubt whether ArbCom really will help us here. I think what we really need is some sort of structured discussion. If I were to request a mediation on the topic of project scopes - or a larger topic - would the "major players" here all participate in good faith and listen to all sides? -- NE2 04:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of possibly starting a discussion on the scope issue. It's kind of silly to just leave the scope section blank for this long. If we're all willing to not go nuts if the "other side wins", I think ArbCom would be okay with it. Anyone have any reasons why we shouldn't/couldn't do that? — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 21:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
{{ CAScenic}} and {{ CAFES}} have been sent to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 March 2. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 09:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Do we have a list somewhere that lists road websites like AARoads or Kurumi that shouldn't be used as a source in articles. -- Holderca1 talk 20:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
WT:HWY#Highways at Commons 哦, 是吗?( O-person) 03:53, 05 March 2008 (GMT)
The project has its first featured list, List of Interstate Highways in Texas. It is also only the 5th featured list that is transport related, see Wikipedia:Featured_lists#Transport. -- Holderca1 talk 15:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Copy from WT:RFAR and the talk of the proposed decision page
Seeing as the Arbitration Committee has decided to abandon the Highways case (a shame, really) would they be open to suspending the case for 30 days so that a formal mediation can take place? If the mediation fails, then the case can be resumed. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 01:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
What is the standard for naming decommissioned routes? Say for example State Highway 76 existed from 1945 until 1987, and a new route using the same number was designated in 1998. Would the article for the first route be at State Highway 76 (1987), State Highway 76 (1945), or State Highway 76 (1945-1987)? -- Holderca1 talk 19:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
If I have both years, I'd use Texas State Highway 76 (1945-1987). You can look through Category:Former numbered highways in the United States to see if there are any other ways it's been done. An important thing to remember is that if the TxDOT designation file says it was created in 1939, there's a pretty good chance it was created before 1939, so there I'd use (pre-1987) unless I knew for sure that (1939-1987) was correct. -- NE2 20:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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I've come up with some suggestions at User:Rschen7754/Manifesto. I was wondering what people thought. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 01:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
From 8:
Nobody has "special privileges" in discussions, whether they founded the project, work for the DOT, or have 12 featured articles in the project.
I don't understand what "editorial and managerial decisions relating to their own state" are. Would there be a USRD-wide manual of style or equivalent? I also object to the idea that a project with one or two active editors can make all the decisions about these issues, when they are part of the encyclopedia, not just a project. Can you give an example of something a project could decide? -- NE2 16:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if NE2 could clarify his position above, as it is unclear what the issues are. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 01:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok perhaps what we need to think about is this. There needs to be some sort of cohesion between the state roads and this i feel needs to be in the form of USRD guidelines. These need to be general guidelines that are set for all projects for examples terms that are contentious, perhaps things that are required in an article like history, route description etc etc etc. Then the state projects below then should be allowed to explore beyond these guidelines as long as there is consensus within that stateproject. If things that are being done at state level work really well then it should then be discussed about the possibility of employing this across USRD. If a state is doing something that someone doesn't like it should first be discussed at state level. Then if that does not solve the problem then it should be brought to USRD. As long as the main guidelines, set out by USRD are followed there is no reason for sub projects to explore new ideas. Seddon69 ( talk) 23:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The intentions of this manifesto was to explain that several editors realize that toes were being stepped on by exhibiting "power" over the state wikiproject - power that should not exist. The pages at USRD (USRD/INNA, USRD/MTF, USRD/S, etc - are guidelines. They don't supercede any Wikipedia guidelines at all. Combining the participants list was a mistake, and the opportunity is being taken to repair the damages from that mistake - one that has been understood. Seddon69 pretty much explained what would be the best approach - and I understand that other "hierarchial like" projects may be following similar patterns. I support this - not blindly. — master son T - C 23:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Everyone will agree that the past few months have not gone over well. We have major problems here and it is the two users who cannot agree with each other, Rschen7754 and NE2. Or if you'd rather me be less specific, USRD and NE2.
A great user and all. The founder of USRD, the head honcho in some ways. Well, he has a problem just standing up and putting down NE2's views and making him agree with USRD. Its apparently gonna take more than a great debate, an ArbCom case, a failed mediation, 3 RFCs and other things to get him to agree. Listen Rschen: You need to stand up for your ideas better. You gotta try harder. You gotta work harder.
You are according to others, the new SPUI. Personally, I like to give you chances because I don't know you well. But, breaking consensus multiple times, not agreeing, incivility, and other things I won't get into cause no help to anyone. Please try to work harder to make a compromise.
WHAT you gotta understand is that USRD is a collaborative effort. The more arguing we put into it, the worse we look as friends. Collaborative users are to be friends, not complete enemies. Please can we come to some kind of decision and decide what to do from now on?! Mitch 32 contribs 00:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I certainly don't see Rschen7754 as an enemy, and I'd hope he doesn't see me as one. -- NE2 01:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Presently over half the articles in Category:High-importance U.S. road transport articles are about Interstates. Interstates certainly are high-importance, but it seems non-Interstates are being forgotten. It can be nice, especially on a state level, to have a range of importance, rather than the vast majority of state-numbered highways at mid-importance, so editors wanting to work on an article can find one. Would it be a good idea to specify that being on the National Highway System makes a route high-importance (except for intermodal connectors and other spur types, and except for short pieces of a long route that simply serve to connect a route to the end of a longer one, like SR 36 between I-5 and SR 99 and between SR 44 and US 395)? In California, this would be about 1/4 of the system; most (?) other states have at least the density that California has, and would thus have a similar or smaller proportion as high-importance. Of course if there's another reason that a route is importance, such as SR 480, it can be high-importance without being on the NHS. -- NE2 16:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I added this to Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment#Importance scale. -- NE2 13:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a reminder - if you expand the text (not counting exit lists, infoboxes, and such) of an article fivefold, you can get it added to did you know as long as you can find a relatively interesting referenced fact (see WP:USRD/DYK for examples). With the amount of one-sentence stubs out there, this is actually pretty easy. -- NE2 19:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Auxiliary U.S. Route -- TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 21:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick tip for those trying to improve the quality of articles and get them passed through WP:GA. Make sure you have a good lead paragraph, see WP:LEAD if you need help. It is the first thing a reader sees and sometimes determines if they will want to read anymore. I was looking at some of the nominations we currently have over at WP:GAN and I noticed California State Route 174. This article will definitely not get passed through as is. The lead paragraph is much too short and doesn't summarize the article. Basically, for every section of the article you need at least one sentence in the lead summarizing the main points of that section. Depending on the length of the section, the portion in the lead should be based on that length. I know when I am looking at articles, this is the first thing I nitpick as to me it is the most important part. The lead should be able to stand on its own and give the reader a general idea of the topic. If they want more details, they will continue to read. -- Holderca1 talk 14:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone has asked here exactly what point highway sign makers use for distances to towns. I thought someone here might know. Please answer on the Desk or on my talk page if you do. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 18:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Found it: http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20051108/NEWS/111080052 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemeistermoab ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Can we add a prohibition on sections like California State Route 160#Legal definition or California State Route 65#State law? The information can all be placed elsewhere, as it is in SR 160, making this section redundant. -- NE2 12:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
California, Mississippi, Utah, Washington, and one of the Dakotas (?) define routes by state law. Minnesota also does, but the numbers don't match the signed numbers (like California pre-1964, Pennsylvania pre-1980s). There may be other states too. -- NE2 21:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
So what is the conclusion of this? -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 20:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Can I please have some comments on Talk:New York State Route 174 on whether it should be a Good Article? Thank you. -- NE2 18:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just made a new logo for our WikiProject! This uses a blank U.S. Route Shield and the shield for Interstate 95 (without "95"). Enjoy! — ComputerGuy890100 • Talk • 01:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
NJSCR is having a discussion about project improving proposals. Its on the talk page. Mitch 32 contribs 03:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I created Category: Images of traffic signs to organize all the images. I'd have called the category road signs which seems more inclusive to me, but Wikipedia's Road signs simply redirects to Traffic signs. Doczilla ( talk) 03:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The Commons categories are basically useless because they're split between two redundant cats: Roads in x and Road signs in x, where x is the state. I advocated merging them but it seems a people love useless categories, so it was shot down. I'd recommend devoting any categorizing energy to resolving that, if anything.— Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 04:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I would say limit it to just the images that are on Wikipedia only, which should just be the fair use images that can't be at the commons, otherwise, you would have a lot of work on your hands. There are over 1,000 Texas highway images on the commons, I don't think you want to go through all those. We already have a page that links to all the commons cats anyways. Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields/Database. -- Holderca1 talk 14:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
This is a proposal to weaken the superseded images policy at commons, which is having effects at Wikipedia such as user confusion about which image to use. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 04:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[2] -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 06:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Texas FM shields -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 06:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I just created this article. Does anyone know of any examples outside California, not counting the New Jersey Turnpike which is a different sort of thing? I can't think of any, and I suspect it's a California-only thing, but I'd like to be sure. -- NE2 08:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
How do people feel about creating a list entitled List of exceptions to the Interstate Highway System? Can such a list be both thorough and properly referenced? We already have List of gaps in Interstate Highways, which is a more specific version of the concept.
I'm thinking what would go here are system exceptions (I-99 being west of just about everything), directional exceptions (I-69 runs east-west?), auxiliary interstate exceptions (I-635 in Texas, apparently) and the like. — Rob ( talk) 16:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey,
There's a note on Stratosphere's talk page that the Michican highway Wikiproject template has been nominated for speedy deletion.
[5]
[6]. I searched and found nothing else regarding this. What's the news?
25or6to4 (
talk) 00:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Interstate_Highways#AARoads -- Holderca1 talk 04:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The 75 IP is continuing to make poor edits. At what point do we term this vandalism? (Terming this as vandalism means that we can rollback and block). -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 04:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
[indent reset] I am concerned with the IP, however. He refused to create an account after being asked to, since that enables us to communicate much easier with them. ^_^ AL2TB ^_^ 03:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[7]??? Are we sure of the AL2TB=Artisol12345 connection? -- NE2 04:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
For those who don't know: The St. Louis signer is an IP editor that continually edits St. Louis-related articles on highways (interstates, Missouri state highways that are freeways, and some in Illinois as well) and television channels to change things to uppercase against various MOS guidelines, including the exit list guide. In addition, they'd append their ~~~~ signature to the end of the article. After continual reversion of this editor, leaving notes on their talk pages, and leaving HTML comments in the target articles, it became clear that they were getting the message and just being stubborn, so after taking it to the admin noticeboard, they were blocked. Krimpet has been happy to renew the block as needed, so it's been less of an issue as of late. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 04:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Highways 2/Proposed decision#Motion for dismissal -- NE2 01:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
For some reason several of the Texas articles are not being counted by the bot, see Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Texas_road_transport_articles_by_quality_log#February_20.2C_2008 where the bot is removing them. Although, I don't think it is the bot that is acting up, for some reason, these articles aren't showing up in the category either, but if you go to the talk page of the article, it will still show that it is indeed in that category. I don't have a clue as to what is going on. -- Holderca1 talk 17:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll finish fixing the stats tomorrow; until things are straightened out I've been factoring in the articles removed. Let me know if there are any mistakes; today I discovered that Iowa and Maine weren't updated in a few months since they never made it onto my watchlist! (Oops). -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 07:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I just haven't gotten around to creating a stub article or adding content to this yet. But I'm not against deletion, either, depending on how categories for scenic routes should work. — Rob ( talk) 17:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
NE2 is challenging following a state DOT standard at Template talk:Infobox road/MO/abbrev Interstate. Input requested. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 01:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
WP:USRD/AID has been inactive lately. Many efforts to revive it have failed. Are there any objections to shutting it down and tagging it as {{ historical}}? -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 05:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
In response to recent edits to U.S. Route 301 in Maryland, a discussion was started at WT:MDRD#<national highway> in Maryland articles regarding the first sentence in articles on sections of U.S. and Interstate highways in a particular state (Maryland in that case, but it really applies to any state). I proposed that they be written to be consistent with most Wikipedia articles by formatting them as "<route name> in <state> is a highway...". The other version, which US 301 in Maryland was being changed to, only bolded "U.S. Route 301", a third version doesn't bold anything at all, arguing that the title of the articles in merely descriptive. Considering that this applies to any state, I figured I'd ask here what other editors think. -Jeff (talk) 17:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Requesting help at U.S. Route 50 in California. -- NE2 01:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Two discussions are ongoing at WT:USRD/SUB. Firstly, a task force for all the various non-state areas of the United States is proposed; this would include D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, and several other territories.
Secondly, the Kansas state highways subproject is proposed for demotion to task force. Comments welcome on these discussions. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 08:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Three Digit System of Highways in Puerto Rico — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 05:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to expand this to articles that don't have a junction list? I'm not saying we should go and tag everything (though I wouldn't complain if someone does), but it would be useful to see what people want junction lists added to. -- NE2 16:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
It seems to me that it's pretty clear we're not including junction lists in this category. So why was this tagged? Never mind that it's debatable whether or not it even needs attention... It's not even a junction list! -- Kéiryn ( talk) 14:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
When these are getting tagged, could we get a quick note on the talk page regarding what is wrong? If you are reviewing it the first place and see something wrong, go ahead and pass that along. It doesn't make sense for the next editor to come along and stare at it to try and figure out what is wrong. -- Holderca1 talk 15:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
So are we using this for junction lists or not? -- Kéiryn ( talk) 16:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with most of the posters above, if you're going to tag an article as needing attention, you need to specify what needs to be done. Stratosphere| Talk 17:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I just cleaned up Florida State Road 9A's exit list, and it appears I was a bit overzealous in tagging. -- NE2 05:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Do you think it would be a good idea to make sure all the articles like Category:Start-Class Interstate Highway System articles and Category:High-importance Washington road transport articles are subcategories of the correspending U.S. categories and then tag them with __HIDDENCAT__ to reduce the "category clutter" on the talk pages? -- NE2 00:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
There's still a significant backlog of U.S. Road articles at wp:good article nominations. We do not have enough regular reviewers to deal with all the nominations received, and unfortunately certain topics seem to suffer more than others. The good news is that the review process is relatively simple and any registered user is more than welcome to participate. If you'd like to help out, simply pick an article you haven't contributed to from the list and see if it meets every good article criteria. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the good article nominations talk page or even directly on my talk page. -- jwanders Talk 21:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's also not forget that we need reviewers at WP:USRD/A/ACR as well. -- Holderca1 talk 20:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
NE2's most recent response to me above sparked something else in my mind, but to avoid the danger of starting a tangent, I figured it was more deserving of its own section header.
In my previous incarnation, when we were arguing over the exit list guide, I was a big believer that when it came to formatting, exit lists and junction lists were exactly the same thing. That is, there's no reason they should be formatted differently. That being said, they are in fact, two very different things. An exit list is a list of exits on a freeway. A junction list is a list of junctions with other state highways.
The question I'm having is when NE2 says, "US 9 is pretty good; the main issue is the colors. There also seem to be some interchanges missing near the north end." You're absolutely right, there's an interchange for New Brunswick Avenue, and possibly one or two others, that isn't listed. Because it's not an exit list, it's a junction list. It's a junction list for a 136-mile road that happens to have a 3-mile long freeway section at the northern end. So at what point does a road become a freeway that needs to have every exit listed, and when is it just a regular old highway? For that matter, what is an exit? Do we need to list CR 522 just because it's grade-separated, or can we leave it off since it's not a state highway?
On a loosely related topic, at the A-class review for New Jersey Route 18, NE2 said he added all the junctions for the non-freeway part at jughandles. Well, at first I thought, that's a great idea. However, during the recent discussion, I realized Race Track Road, Tices Lane, and Eggers Street aren't actually major intersections worthy of inclusion on the list.
So what do we do? Where do we draw the line between an exit list and a junction list? -- Kéiryn 17:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Lemme try this again with a much shorter question.
Even if a highway is primarily a surface route, every freeway section should have a full exit list. Yes or no? -- Kéiryn 19:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it should matter if the intersecting road is a state highway - of course if it is a state highway, the intersection is major, but if it's not, the intersection can still be major. For instance, California State Route 82#Major intersections includes all county routes, and at least one intersection per city, since it is basically the "main street" for the peninsula. On California State Route 149#Major intersections, since there are only three intersections, I listed them all. -- NE2 02:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
M62 motorway is today's featured article. Will ( talk) 18:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Without an apparent explanation, User:Freewayguy moved {{ 3di 69}} to {{ I-69 aux}}. This seems like it will break the entire group of {{ 3di}} templates that were carefully crafted. I think we need to move it back, any thoughts. -- KelleyCook ( talk) 20:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
As I understand it, copyrighted photos can be used under fair use if a free version can't be reproduced. So would an photo such as this be acceptable to use on the I-37 article? -- Holderca1 talk 03:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm a member of the WikiProject Articles for Creation. We validate and create articles for users who do not have accounts or want to submit articles anonymously. Recently, a submitter has been providing a ton of redirect requests regarding various state routes in California. Most of these have been pretty simple, such as CA 18 to California State Route 18. However, today, there has been a number of requests for redirects for various named interchanges to be added as well. Some examples of these include Daniel D. Mikesell interchange to Interstate 15 in California and William E. Leonard interchange to Interstate 210 and State Route 210 (California). I really can't find much online that refers to these named interchanges and it really doesn't seem that these redirects serve much purpose to me. However, before we created or declined them, I wanted to ask you all at the US Roads WikiProject what you thought about these proposed redirect requests. How do they fall within your guidelines and style? -- ShinmaWa( talk) 16:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
My initial leaning is no, but User:jnestorius brings up an interesting argument here. Please leave comments on that page - thanks! — Rob ( talk) 01:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
After reading through the Mantanmoreland case, I'm starting to doubt whether ArbCom really will help us here. I think what we really need is some sort of structured discussion. If I were to request a mediation on the topic of project scopes - or a larger topic - would the "major players" here all participate in good faith and listen to all sides? -- NE2 04:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of possibly starting a discussion on the scope issue. It's kind of silly to just leave the scope section blank for this long. If we're all willing to not go nuts if the "other side wins", I think ArbCom would be okay with it. Anyone have any reasons why we shouldn't/couldn't do that? — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 21:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
{{ CAScenic}} and {{ CAFES}} have been sent to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 March 2. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 09:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Do we have a list somewhere that lists road websites like AARoads or Kurumi that shouldn't be used as a source in articles. -- Holderca1 talk 20:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
WT:HWY#Highways at Commons 哦, 是吗?( O-person) 03:53, 05 March 2008 (GMT)
The project has its first featured list, List of Interstate Highways in Texas. It is also only the 5th featured list that is transport related, see Wikipedia:Featured_lists#Transport. -- Holderca1 talk 15:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Copy from WT:RFAR and the talk of the proposed decision page
Seeing as the Arbitration Committee has decided to abandon the Highways case (a shame, really) would they be open to suspending the case for 30 days so that a formal mediation can take place? If the mediation fails, then the case can be resumed. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 01:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
What is the standard for naming decommissioned routes? Say for example State Highway 76 existed from 1945 until 1987, and a new route using the same number was designated in 1998. Would the article for the first route be at State Highway 76 (1987), State Highway 76 (1945), or State Highway 76 (1945-1987)? -- Holderca1 talk 19:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
If I have both years, I'd use Texas State Highway 76 (1945-1987). You can look through Category:Former numbered highways in the United States to see if there are any other ways it's been done. An important thing to remember is that if the TxDOT designation file says it was created in 1939, there's a pretty good chance it was created before 1939, so there I'd use (pre-1987) unless I knew for sure that (1939-1987) was correct. -- NE2 20:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)