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All, I've significantly overhauled the internals of s-rail and s-line. This was prompted by discussions with the folks in Australia, and a desire to integrate their color/formatting scheme into the existing system. The result is that s-line now has two modes of output–standard and "AUS". You can see examples of both at
User:Mackensen/Flarp. In order to make the colored borders join properly I've re-designed both templates to function without s-start; new instances should use {{
s-rail-start}} instead. The second table on /Flarp demonstrates the new versions of s-rail and s-line with the old s-start; as you can see only AUS-formatted templates break (and not badly, at that), so there's no need to go round replacing s-start with s-rail-start at the moment. The switch from standard to AUS formatting is accomplished via {{{{{SYSTEM}}} style}}
and the export
parameter. This is more of any FYI than anything; I invite everybody to check the code at
User:Mackensen/s-line and
User:Mackensen/S-rail. If there are no objections I'll merge changes in 24 hours or so.
Mackensen
(talk)
23:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Done. Any minor formatting glitches probably result from s-start; replace it with s-rail-start and see if that helps. Best, Mackensen (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Rail transport in India, August 16, 2007 UTC Congrats to all of those who put together this excellent article. -- Oakshade 02:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
The page Subway is a disambig page, which contains a link to Subway (rail), which redirects to Rapid transit, as does Metro. However, it seems to me that this page should be not a redirect, but should be an article on its own. The redirect makes it seem as if the terms "subway" and "metro" are interchangeable with "rapid transit," however a subway or metro may not be rapid transit, and vice versa. Most subway and metro systems are rapid transit systems, but systems such as the Newark City Subway, SEPTA Subway-Surface Trolley Lines, and the Los Angeles Metro Blue/Green/Gold Lines are not (first two are trams, the ladder are light rails). At the same time, systems like the RTA Red Line (also known as "The Rapid") and the Miami-Dade Metrorail are both rapid transit systems, but not subways. A subway is basically an underground rail system, which may or may not be rapid transit. In fact, the world's first subway, the MBTA Green Line, is neither rapid transit as well.
I think that the redirect should be removed, and the Subway (rail) page or the Metro page should be an article, with sections giving brief explanations of various types of subways/metros (including a {{ main}} link in each section), including rapid transit, as well as trams, light rail, people movers, etc. I think the Subway (rail) page should hold the article, but to keep a worldwide point of view on this topic, some may prefer that Metro is used instead. According to the page's history, it seems as if it was always a redirect page and never had an article. I'm willing to write the article, but I wanted to get feedback first so I can avoid any potential edit wars. – Dream out loud ( talk) 00:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Can I please get more input on Talk:Tram system on whether the split done a while ago or the recent merge was a good idea? Thank you. -- NE2 04:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Recently s-rail/s-line was introduced to Transperth, Transwa, Great Southern Railway, and CountryLink networks (all in Australia). As part of this conversion the "AUS" export style was devised for these templates, allowing for two entirely different output formats within the same basic structure. You can see the difference at User:Mackensen/Flarp. Now, there has been a proposal to convert the CityRail articles as well, but disagreement over the formatting method. I should emphasize that it's trivial to switch between standard and AUS, so as long as the idea of s-rail/s-line is accepted we're most of the way there. At User:Mackensen/Flarp is an example of Central railway station, Sydney, with a full s-rail/s-line implementation. At the moment, CityRail outputs in the "standard" form. If you look at CountryLink, you get an idea of what the "AUS" display would look like. Comments welcomed. Mackensen (talk) 00:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
{{s-rail-start}}
{{s-rail|title=CityRail}}
{{s-line|system=CityRail|line=City Circle|previous=Wynyard|next=St James}}
{{s-end}}
Quaidy 05:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do about the compromise formatting method. Now, as to the CityRail itself, I'm looking at the CityRail maps on the official website and it doesn't look as though any of the services mentioned double back through Central; they terminate at either Town Hall or Museum. Maybe I'm missing something here. Mackensen (talk) 10:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay, "Flarp" has been modified to demonstrate this third style (as I understand it). The first four lines are shown with the new one ("CRR"). Mackensen (talk) 12:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed there are many different articles on railroad signals (lighting and semaphore) but none that I can find actually show the various light schemes or Semaphore positions. Has anyone considered adding this to expand an existing article or create one or perhaps several since virtually every railroad uses their own scheme. I wish I had the experience to do this myself but, being a newbie around here I'm not the one to do it. I am not opposed to helping under a mentor if anyone whats to work on this project. -- Dp67 | QSO 08:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
>Title Misspelled -- Corrected -- Dp67 | QSO 15:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Over at WP:NYCPT, we are trying to reach a consensus on how New York City Subway stations should be named, because the subway system uses various names and punctuation formats for its stations, and users have "move-warred" articles in the absence of an agreed-upon guideline. The proposed convention is at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/New York City Subway/Station naming convention. If you are interested, please visit the proposal and comment on the talk page. Thanks! TLK 'in 07:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there a task force I could join to help out with adding route diagrams to articles? I looked at the maps group, but it didn't really seem like the right place.-- Max Talk (+) 20:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Somebody messed up the routeboxes by redirecting all Amtrak lines leading to Jacksonville, Florida, so they'd all end up in the former Union Station. According to that article, Jacksonville Union Station hasn't served any lines since 1974. How do I fix this? ---- DanTD 13:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bustitution -- NE2 19:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Some people just take it upon themselves to flag something for deletion because they consider something to be 'Lacking Public Interest' just because it doesn't interest them.. It's a shame but its true. I tried to create an article about The Steam Railroading Institute which is another train museum here in Mich. and someone had it flagged for deletion before I could even finished the first paragraph.. Stating it wasn't within the public interest. Oh well.. -- Dp67 | QSO 03:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Just a little shameless plug.. ;) Railroad related but not exactly Wiki related. I've applied for a Conductors position for Norfolk Southern. It's a career I should have pursued long ago but I've been too busy chasing my tail! LOL Not sure how long it will take to get any answers but wish me luck! Should be a more stable career than radio! -- Dp67 | QSO 03:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Before I throw this suggestion out tor Wikipedia's general merger page, I'd like to know how the rest of you feel about the possiblilty of merging both Marshall (Amtrak station) & T&P Depot, since the Marshall (Amtrak station) is housed in the T&P Depot. ---- DanTD 04:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I just created an article for the Massapequa (LIRR station) and when I added the talk page tag, I found it included a " WikiProject UK Trams" tag that I can't find in order to erase. What happened there? ---- DanTD 14:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) The biggest reason not to simply replace the banners is for category inclusion. Right now, if you want to list UK Trams first on the talk page, the best method is to show both banners. You can even go so far as to put {{ UK Trams}} on the page above {{ TrainsWikiProject}}; I don't think the order of the banners on the page matters quite as much. Showing both banners ensures that all appropriate categories from both banners are used. The page source would then look something like this ...
... some text that may be above the banners ... {{UK Trams}} {{TrainsWikiProject|foo...}} ... some text that may be below the banners ...
There are quite a few pages that show multiple banners with other WikiProjects even when there is an associated parameter within TWP. See Talk:Blue Line (Washington Metro) or Talk:Shinkansen for examples. Slambo (Speak) 19:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Either showing both banners or showing just the TWP banner with the appropriate parameters would be enough to indicate applicability to both projects. As far as I know, there is no official policy stating which method should be used to include an article in multiple projects; my personal preference is to combine all the rail-related projects into TWP to reduce the number of banners on a page, while other editors want the most specific projects listed first. The way I see it, as long as all applicable projects are listed in some way whether they be consolidated into one banner or in multiple banners, then the page is sufficiently tagged. This discussion and others that I have participated in elsewhere tend toward a consolidated banner preference, so I do what I can to help out by adding appropriate parameters to the TWP banner.
In the long run, disputing whether a specific talk page should have one or two banners on it distracts the involved editors from improving the articles. I accept that some editors want the independent subproject banners displayed on a talk page ( WP:THOMAS members, for example, have said so to me in the past), so I am usually hesitant to remove them even when there is a parameter in the TWP banner for them and instead I notice their efforts and get myself a cup of tea (a Darjeeling blend is the flavor in my cup today). In this specific case, I see an editor who is very motivated to work on articles about a particular subtopic within rail transport, and I look forward to seeing the fruits of his article improvements, regardless of how many banners are on the talk pages. Slambo (Speak) 14:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Technically, trams and trains are different things, and, as you might have noticed, UK Trams is NOT a subproject, its a related project, meaning that, technically, it shouldnt be included. Bluegoblin 7 10:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
First of all, nobody needs my permission to reduce the number of banners on an article's talk page when one banner can sufficiently convey the same information as two, nor do they need my permission to put two banners on a page. It's not my decision to make. An editor asked how he could have the subproject shown first, and I suggested displaying the subproject banner above the parent project because it seemed to be the simplest answer to me. My word in this matter is not gospel and I am not the Grand High MuckyMuck of WikiProjects, so please don't take it as a statement from above that it must be done a certain way. Some subprojects want to keep their banners even though parameters exist in TrainsWikiProject to display the same information (the Trains in Japan, Washington Metro and Thomas projects, for example), while others use the TrainsWikiProject banner instead of creating a second banner (the Rapid Transit project banner calls the TrainsWikiProject banner with subway=yes set).
On the question of whether a tram is a train or not, trams normally run on rails, and they haul both passengers and freight (see Image:VW-Cargotram-Dresden.jpg for an example of a freight tram). The train article includes official definitions that a train is one or more powered item of rolling stock that may or may not be coupled to unpowered rolling stock. To my eye, a tram is a specialized type of train, just the same as a diesel multiple unit or even a monorail is a specialized type of train. So I think it is valid to include tram projects in the TrainsWikiProject banner.
I did notice the new image, and I had planned to make the change in the TrainsWikiProject banner to use the new image by this weekend. Slambo (Speak) 11:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, first of all, they don't all exist in UKT, and secondly, I have absoultely no idea how to do anything to the templates - id probably mess them up. If I knew what to do, believe me,I would. Bluegoblin 7 10:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
The class parameter in TWP now sorts articles into the appropriate UKTrams category if UKTrams=yes is set. I just added UKTrams-importance to TWP as well. The next tasks on the list for the TWP template that I intend to work on are the mapneeded and imageneeded integration (like we currently have with Scotland and NYPT). After that, I'm looking at continuing on the template rework that I've been planning to simplify the template coding and to reduce the box size when there are multiple related projects and task forces to be displayed; this would enable us to more easily add some of the other requested params like the appearance dates for the UKT portal. Some of the other templates I'm looking at for strategy examples include {{ WP Australia}}, {{ WPBiography}} and {{ WPMILHIST}}; once I have a workable test for TWP, I'll pass on a link for review. Slambo (Speak) 15:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
CS: There are examples in NYPT's scope of low-importance articles that are low-importance to TWP as well; it is most common that where the same importance rating is given for multiple projects it will be low-importance. However, most articles will have different importance ratings between WikiProjects. If the associated WikiProject hasn't specified an importance rating, the article will generally be sorted into that WikiProject's unknown-importance category where a member of that project can further classify it.
BG7: the class shouldn't differ between the two because it's a measure of quality that is independent of all WikiProjects. See Template:Grading scheme (and its talk page) for how the class ratings are broken down (note that the sample articles span several WikiProject scopes). The most common reason for seeing different class specifications on certain talk pages is that some editors only update one or two banners when they assess for quality, while in reality they should all be updated to the same quality rating at the same time. The importance rating, however, can and often will differ between the projects, so there's a separate UKTrams-importance parameter to specify that. For the most part, if an article is sorted into one level and another editor disagrees with the original assessment, the subsequent editor is free to reassess based on this scheme; however, both GA and FA have firmly established review processes that need to be followed before articles can be assigned to these two classes. Slambo (Speak) 19:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Re: Tramlink... That's an example of why I was looking at a redesign of the display with the next iteration of the banner. I'm looking at other projects' banners to see how they handle multiple subprojects to reduce the overall size and complexity of the displayed banner. As more task forces and subprojects are created (for example, there isn't a WikiProject United States railroads yet...), the need for a more streamlined display will become even more evident to other editors. I have a few possibilities that I'm working on off-wiki, and when I have a good test case, I will put it up for review and comment. Slambo (Speak) 11:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
This is odd. I made two recent changes to Westport (Amtrak station), one of them major. Yet when I looked on the list of recent changes they never showed up. Other changes to other stations did, though. What gives? ---- DanTD 01:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Rail transport has recently been selected for inclusion in the 'Version 0.7' copy of Wikipedia. With this in mind, would it be a good idea to declare some form of collaboration task force for that page? Currently it has several 'clean-up' banners, and is rather a mess in places... I don't think they'd be happy to use it in its present state.
The article is already rated as 'top importance' and 'B-quality' within the TWP project, and it probably should be improved to 'Good Article' status at the very least (if not beyond that).
EdJogg 15:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I've been working on trade related subjects for the past few weeks now, including the
trade route article.
Could someone suggest the names of some major international cargo/freight train routes so
this section could be expanded ? I have tried to look into it but have come across only international passenger routes. With the establishment of many
Free Trade Areas surely some existing train routes are being used for transportation of cargo ? With regards,
Havelock the Dane
10:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Amtrak is "paid to be late:" Amtrak rents the tracks from companies like Southern Pacific. If Amtrak can blame Southern Pacific for being late, Amtrak runs "rent free." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.67.9 ( talk) 22:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Rather than discussing PROD-nominees here, it is better to contribute to the talk page for the article nominated for deletion. If you agree with the proposed deletion, you don't have to do anything or you may second the nomination. If you think the article merits keeping, then remove the {{prod}} template and make an effort to improve the article so that it clearly meets the notability and verifiability criteria.
There are still two other station articles with routeboxes that I can't fix. Norman (Amtrak station) misdirects people to Union Station (Oklahoma City) as the previous station, when it should be directing them to Oklahoma City (Amtrak station). Also, now that the two Western Avenue (Metra) stations have been specified, Union Station (Chicago)'s routebox for the Milwaukee District/West Line should have Western Avenue (Metra Milwaukee District/North Line) as the previous station. I was trying to change the link to that specific station without changing the name in the routebox. How can I fix these two? ---- DanTD 22:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
line
parameter gets passed to the station template I simply added an exception for Western Avenue (see
here).
Mackensen
(talk)
23:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I found out from TrainWeb that the Harvey House Railroad Depot & Western America Railroad Museum share the same building( http://www.trainweb.org/usarail/barstow.htm), which doesn't convince me that this is an unstaffed Amtrak staion. Would this fact justify a potential merger? ---- DanTD 01:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The 'unstaffed' distinction has to do with NO Amtrack employees there. Tickets and food at Barstow are from vending machines. -- G.E. Nordell (Belen, NM) 2317 MDT 30 September 2007
I am currently having a couple of problems with this template:
{{rail start}}
{{rail line one to two
|previous=[[Iver railway station|Iver]]
|next1=[[Heathrow Airport|Heathrow]]
|next2=[[Hayes and Harlington railway station|Hayes and Harlington]]
|route1=[[Crossrail]]|route2=Crossrail<br>|col=71D9E2}}
{{end box}}
I seem unable to get one Crossrail in the middle and an stuck with two where I only have one preceding station. The london underground has managed to do this as shown here:
{{s-start}}
{{s-rail|title=LUL}}
{{s-jnct|system=LUL|line=Piccadilly|previous=Heathrow Terminal 4|previous2=Heathrow Terminals 1, 2, 3|oneway3=yes|next=Hounslow West|type=Heathrow}}
{{end}}
Many thanks -- Lisa666 20:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering, can we add optional National Register of Historic Places date, architect, and architectural style(s) parameters to the stations infobox, it would go a long way toward solving the relatively silly inclusion of two infoboxes on some articles. Thanks for your time. IvoShandor 13:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
(unindent)Thanks for the compliment on the photo btw. I plant to expand Dwight (Amtrak station), as well as Plano (Amtrak station) eventually, I am currently working on Livingston County, Illinois NRHPs after taking a tour via Route 66. This is a big reason why I would like to see this integration sooner rather than later, I think something similar could be done with the bridges infobox as well. That's a different discussion though. But I am all for adding the parameters to the current station and bridges boxes as opposed to just merging the infobox templates into one. IvoShandor 23:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
There seem to be a lot of people in Category:People in rail transport who should be in Category:Pioneers of rail transport. People like George Stephenson for example. If he's not a pioneer then no one is! Does anyone know why? Budhen 18:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it even possible to create a sort of web ring for Wiki Projects? I was thinking of that as sort of a random article link but only for articles within the project. Much like those Web Rings everyone's familiar with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dp67 ( talk • contribs) 00:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Although not an official member of the Trains Project or NRHS, I thought it was high time that Wikipedia had an article about the National Railway Historical Society, so I've just started it. JGHowes talk - 01:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I was trying out WatchFlickr on Category:Pennsylvania railroads the other night, and it came up with a whole slew of articles that didn't quite seem appropriate for that category. As it turns out, that tool delves recursively into categories, some of which are quite deeply nested. For instance, Category:Amtrak, Category:CSX Transportation, and so on, are all sub-categories of Category:Pennsylvania railroads. This does not seem correct to me. The articles Amtrak, CSX, and so forth should be in the parent category, but the categories should not be subcategories of Pennsylvania railroads. While CSX itself operates in Pennsylvania, articles pertaining to CSX and hence in Category:CSX Transportation do not necessarily have any connection to Pennsylvania. It is my intention, therefore, to remove Amtrak, CSX, etc. as subcategories of Pennsylvania railroads and place them in, say Category:Rail transport in the United States, the most specific category still pertinent to all of the articles in the subcategory. However, as this seemingly excessive method of categorization does seem to have wide currency in Wikipedia, I thought I would solicit advice on this talk page first before going about things. If you feel the categorization is appopriate, please reply here. Choess 00:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it is time to throw in the towel for the monorails task force. No one has expressed consistent interest in my little pet project since its creation 8 months ago. It's time for me to stop taking up wikipedia namespace.-- MrFish Go Fish 13:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Another editor just nominated 2017 in rail transport for deletion; please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 in rail transport. Slambo (Speak) 21:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
[3] (and subsequent pages) is a 1945 plan for transportation in Detroit. It includes the following:
Would it be appropriate to do something like:
Or would it be original research to call it light rail, even in only the link? I don't think it would qualify as the current definition of rapid transit, since, while that part would be grade-separated, the part on the surface of Grand River Avenue would not be. -- NE2 13:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
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All, I've significantly overhauled the internals of s-rail and s-line. This was prompted by discussions with the folks in Australia, and a desire to integrate their color/formatting scheme into the existing system. The result is that s-line now has two modes of output–standard and "AUS". You can see examples of both at
User:Mackensen/Flarp. In order to make the colored borders join properly I've re-designed both templates to function without s-start; new instances should use {{
s-rail-start}} instead. The second table on /Flarp demonstrates the new versions of s-rail and s-line with the old s-start; as you can see only AUS-formatted templates break (and not badly, at that), so there's no need to go round replacing s-start with s-rail-start at the moment. The switch from standard to AUS formatting is accomplished via {{{{{SYSTEM}}} style}}
and the export
parameter. This is more of any FYI than anything; I invite everybody to check the code at
User:Mackensen/s-line and
User:Mackensen/S-rail. If there are no objections I'll merge changes in 24 hours or so.
Mackensen
(talk)
23:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Done. Any minor formatting glitches probably result from s-start; replace it with s-rail-start and see if that helps. Best, Mackensen (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Rail transport in India, August 16, 2007 UTC Congrats to all of those who put together this excellent article. -- Oakshade 02:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
The page Subway is a disambig page, which contains a link to Subway (rail), which redirects to Rapid transit, as does Metro. However, it seems to me that this page should be not a redirect, but should be an article on its own. The redirect makes it seem as if the terms "subway" and "metro" are interchangeable with "rapid transit," however a subway or metro may not be rapid transit, and vice versa. Most subway and metro systems are rapid transit systems, but systems such as the Newark City Subway, SEPTA Subway-Surface Trolley Lines, and the Los Angeles Metro Blue/Green/Gold Lines are not (first two are trams, the ladder are light rails). At the same time, systems like the RTA Red Line (also known as "The Rapid") and the Miami-Dade Metrorail are both rapid transit systems, but not subways. A subway is basically an underground rail system, which may or may not be rapid transit. In fact, the world's first subway, the MBTA Green Line, is neither rapid transit as well.
I think that the redirect should be removed, and the Subway (rail) page or the Metro page should be an article, with sections giving brief explanations of various types of subways/metros (including a {{ main}} link in each section), including rapid transit, as well as trams, light rail, people movers, etc. I think the Subway (rail) page should hold the article, but to keep a worldwide point of view on this topic, some may prefer that Metro is used instead. According to the page's history, it seems as if it was always a redirect page and never had an article. I'm willing to write the article, but I wanted to get feedback first so I can avoid any potential edit wars. – Dream out loud ( talk) 00:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Can I please get more input on Talk:Tram system on whether the split done a while ago or the recent merge was a good idea? Thank you. -- NE2 04:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Recently s-rail/s-line was introduced to Transperth, Transwa, Great Southern Railway, and CountryLink networks (all in Australia). As part of this conversion the "AUS" export style was devised for these templates, allowing for two entirely different output formats within the same basic structure. You can see the difference at User:Mackensen/Flarp. Now, there has been a proposal to convert the CityRail articles as well, but disagreement over the formatting method. I should emphasize that it's trivial to switch between standard and AUS, so as long as the idea of s-rail/s-line is accepted we're most of the way there. At User:Mackensen/Flarp is an example of Central railway station, Sydney, with a full s-rail/s-line implementation. At the moment, CityRail outputs in the "standard" form. If you look at CountryLink, you get an idea of what the "AUS" display would look like. Comments welcomed. Mackensen (talk) 00:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
{{s-rail-start}}
{{s-rail|title=CityRail}}
{{s-line|system=CityRail|line=City Circle|previous=Wynyard|next=St James}}
{{s-end}}
Quaidy 05:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do about the compromise formatting method. Now, as to the CityRail itself, I'm looking at the CityRail maps on the official website and it doesn't look as though any of the services mentioned double back through Central; they terminate at either Town Hall or Museum. Maybe I'm missing something here. Mackensen (talk) 10:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay, "Flarp" has been modified to demonstrate this third style (as I understand it). The first four lines are shown with the new one ("CRR"). Mackensen (talk) 12:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed there are many different articles on railroad signals (lighting and semaphore) but none that I can find actually show the various light schemes or Semaphore positions. Has anyone considered adding this to expand an existing article or create one or perhaps several since virtually every railroad uses their own scheme. I wish I had the experience to do this myself but, being a newbie around here I'm not the one to do it. I am not opposed to helping under a mentor if anyone whats to work on this project. -- Dp67 | QSO 08:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
>Title Misspelled -- Corrected -- Dp67 | QSO 15:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Over at WP:NYCPT, we are trying to reach a consensus on how New York City Subway stations should be named, because the subway system uses various names and punctuation formats for its stations, and users have "move-warred" articles in the absence of an agreed-upon guideline. The proposed convention is at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/New York City Subway/Station naming convention. If you are interested, please visit the proposal and comment on the talk page. Thanks! TLK 'in 07:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there a task force I could join to help out with adding route diagrams to articles? I looked at the maps group, but it didn't really seem like the right place.-- Max Talk (+) 20:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Somebody messed up the routeboxes by redirecting all Amtrak lines leading to Jacksonville, Florida, so they'd all end up in the former Union Station. According to that article, Jacksonville Union Station hasn't served any lines since 1974. How do I fix this? ---- DanTD 13:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bustitution -- NE2 19:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Some people just take it upon themselves to flag something for deletion because they consider something to be 'Lacking Public Interest' just because it doesn't interest them.. It's a shame but its true. I tried to create an article about The Steam Railroading Institute which is another train museum here in Mich. and someone had it flagged for deletion before I could even finished the first paragraph.. Stating it wasn't within the public interest. Oh well.. -- Dp67 | QSO 03:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Just a little shameless plug.. ;) Railroad related but not exactly Wiki related. I've applied for a Conductors position for Norfolk Southern. It's a career I should have pursued long ago but I've been too busy chasing my tail! LOL Not sure how long it will take to get any answers but wish me luck! Should be a more stable career than radio! -- Dp67 | QSO 03:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Before I throw this suggestion out tor Wikipedia's general merger page, I'd like to know how the rest of you feel about the possiblilty of merging both Marshall (Amtrak station) & T&P Depot, since the Marshall (Amtrak station) is housed in the T&P Depot. ---- DanTD 04:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I just created an article for the Massapequa (LIRR station) and when I added the talk page tag, I found it included a " WikiProject UK Trams" tag that I can't find in order to erase. What happened there? ---- DanTD 14:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) The biggest reason not to simply replace the banners is for category inclusion. Right now, if you want to list UK Trams first on the talk page, the best method is to show both banners. You can even go so far as to put {{ UK Trams}} on the page above {{ TrainsWikiProject}}; I don't think the order of the banners on the page matters quite as much. Showing both banners ensures that all appropriate categories from both banners are used. The page source would then look something like this ...
... some text that may be above the banners ... {{UK Trams}} {{TrainsWikiProject|foo...}} ... some text that may be below the banners ...
There are quite a few pages that show multiple banners with other WikiProjects even when there is an associated parameter within TWP. See Talk:Blue Line (Washington Metro) or Talk:Shinkansen for examples. Slambo (Speak) 19:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Either showing both banners or showing just the TWP banner with the appropriate parameters would be enough to indicate applicability to both projects. As far as I know, there is no official policy stating which method should be used to include an article in multiple projects; my personal preference is to combine all the rail-related projects into TWP to reduce the number of banners on a page, while other editors want the most specific projects listed first. The way I see it, as long as all applicable projects are listed in some way whether they be consolidated into one banner or in multiple banners, then the page is sufficiently tagged. This discussion and others that I have participated in elsewhere tend toward a consolidated banner preference, so I do what I can to help out by adding appropriate parameters to the TWP banner.
In the long run, disputing whether a specific talk page should have one or two banners on it distracts the involved editors from improving the articles. I accept that some editors want the independent subproject banners displayed on a talk page ( WP:THOMAS members, for example, have said so to me in the past), so I am usually hesitant to remove them even when there is a parameter in the TWP banner for them and instead I notice their efforts and get myself a cup of tea (a Darjeeling blend is the flavor in my cup today). In this specific case, I see an editor who is very motivated to work on articles about a particular subtopic within rail transport, and I look forward to seeing the fruits of his article improvements, regardless of how many banners are on the talk pages. Slambo (Speak) 14:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Technically, trams and trains are different things, and, as you might have noticed, UK Trams is NOT a subproject, its a related project, meaning that, technically, it shouldnt be included. Bluegoblin 7 10:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
First of all, nobody needs my permission to reduce the number of banners on an article's talk page when one banner can sufficiently convey the same information as two, nor do they need my permission to put two banners on a page. It's not my decision to make. An editor asked how he could have the subproject shown first, and I suggested displaying the subproject banner above the parent project because it seemed to be the simplest answer to me. My word in this matter is not gospel and I am not the Grand High MuckyMuck of WikiProjects, so please don't take it as a statement from above that it must be done a certain way. Some subprojects want to keep their banners even though parameters exist in TrainsWikiProject to display the same information (the Trains in Japan, Washington Metro and Thomas projects, for example), while others use the TrainsWikiProject banner instead of creating a second banner (the Rapid Transit project banner calls the TrainsWikiProject banner with subway=yes set).
On the question of whether a tram is a train or not, trams normally run on rails, and they haul both passengers and freight (see Image:VW-Cargotram-Dresden.jpg for an example of a freight tram). The train article includes official definitions that a train is one or more powered item of rolling stock that may or may not be coupled to unpowered rolling stock. To my eye, a tram is a specialized type of train, just the same as a diesel multiple unit or even a monorail is a specialized type of train. So I think it is valid to include tram projects in the TrainsWikiProject banner.
I did notice the new image, and I had planned to make the change in the TrainsWikiProject banner to use the new image by this weekend. Slambo (Speak) 11:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, first of all, they don't all exist in UKT, and secondly, I have absoultely no idea how to do anything to the templates - id probably mess them up. If I knew what to do, believe me,I would. Bluegoblin 7 10:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
The class parameter in TWP now sorts articles into the appropriate UKTrams category if UKTrams=yes is set. I just added UKTrams-importance to TWP as well. The next tasks on the list for the TWP template that I intend to work on are the mapneeded and imageneeded integration (like we currently have with Scotland and NYPT). After that, I'm looking at continuing on the template rework that I've been planning to simplify the template coding and to reduce the box size when there are multiple related projects and task forces to be displayed; this would enable us to more easily add some of the other requested params like the appearance dates for the UKT portal. Some of the other templates I'm looking at for strategy examples include {{ WP Australia}}, {{ WPBiography}} and {{ WPMILHIST}}; once I have a workable test for TWP, I'll pass on a link for review. Slambo (Speak) 15:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
CS: There are examples in NYPT's scope of low-importance articles that are low-importance to TWP as well; it is most common that where the same importance rating is given for multiple projects it will be low-importance. However, most articles will have different importance ratings between WikiProjects. If the associated WikiProject hasn't specified an importance rating, the article will generally be sorted into that WikiProject's unknown-importance category where a member of that project can further classify it.
BG7: the class shouldn't differ between the two because it's a measure of quality that is independent of all WikiProjects. See Template:Grading scheme (and its talk page) for how the class ratings are broken down (note that the sample articles span several WikiProject scopes). The most common reason for seeing different class specifications on certain talk pages is that some editors only update one or two banners when they assess for quality, while in reality they should all be updated to the same quality rating at the same time. The importance rating, however, can and often will differ between the projects, so there's a separate UKTrams-importance parameter to specify that. For the most part, if an article is sorted into one level and another editor disagrees with the original assessment, the subsequent editor is free to reassess based on this scheme; however, both GA and FA have firmly established review processes that need to be followed before articles can be assigned to these two classes. Slambo (Speak) 19:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Re: Tramlink... That's an example of why I was looking at a redesign of the display with the next iteration of the banner. I'm looking at other projects' banners to see how they handle multiple subprojects to reduce the overall size and complexity of the displayed banner. As more task forces and subprojects are created (for example, there isn't a WikiProject United States railroads yet...), the need for a more streamlined display will become even more evident to other editors. I have a few possibilities that I'm working on off-wiki, and when I have a good test case, I will put it up for review and comment. Slambo (Speak) 11:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
This is odd. I made two recent changes to Westport (Amtrak station), one of them major. Yet when I looked on the list of recent changes they never showed up. Other changes to other stations did, though. What gives? ---- DanTD 01:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Rail transport has recently been selected for inclusion in the 'Version 0.7' copy of Wikipedia. With this in mind, would it be a good idea to declare some form of collaboration task force for that page? Currently it has several 'clean-up' banners, and is rather a mess in places... I don't think they'd be happy to use it in its present state.
The article is already rated as 'top importance' and 'B-quality' within the TWP project, and it probably should be improved to 'Good Article' status at the very least (if not beyond that).
EdJogg 15:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I've been working on trade related subjects for the past few weeks now, including the
trade route article.
Could someone suggest the names of some major international cargo/freight train routes so
this section could be expanded ? I have tried to look into it but have come across only international passenger routes. With the establishment of many
Free Trade Areas surely some existing train routes are being used for transportation of cargo ? With regards,
Havelock the Dane
10:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Amtrak is "paid to be late:" Amtrak rents the tracks from companies like Southern Pacific. If Amtrak can blame Southern Pacific for being late, Amtrak runs "rent free." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.67.9 ( talk) 22:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Rather than discussing PROD-nominees here, it is better to contribute to the talk page for the article nominated for deletion. If you agree with the proposed deletion, you don't have to do anything or you may second the nomination. If you think the article merits keeping, then remove the {{prod}} template and make an effort to improve the article so that it clearly meets the notability and verifiability criteria.
There are still two other station articles with routeboxes that I can't fix. Norman (Amtrak station) misdirects people to Union Station (Oklahoma City) as the previous station, when it should be directing them to Oklahoma City (Amtrak station). Also, now that the two Western Avenue (Metra) stations have been specified, Union Station (Chicago)'s routebox for the Milwaukee District/West Line should have Western Avenue (Metra Milwaukee District/North Line) as the previous station. I was trying to change the link to that specific station without changing the name in the routebox. How can I fix these two? ---- DanTD 22:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
line
parameter gets passed to the station template I simply added an exception for Western Avenue (see
here).
Mackensen
(talk)
23:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I found out from TrainWeb that the Harvey House Railroad Depot & Western America Railroad Museum share the same building( http://www.trainweb.org/usarail/barstow.htm), which doesn't convince me that this is an unstaffed Amtrak staion. Would this fact justify a potential merger? ---- DanTD 01:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The 'unstaffed' distinction has to do with NO Amtrack employees there. Tickets and food at Barstow are from vending machines. -- G.E. Nordell (Belen, NM) 2317 MDT 30 September 2007
I am currently having a couple of problems with this template:
{{rail start}}
{{rail line one to two
|previous=[[Iver railway station|Iver]]
|next1=[[Heathrow Airport|Heathrow]]
|next2=[[Hayes and Harlington railway station|Hayes and Harlington]]
|route1=[[Crossrail]]|route2=Crossrail<br>|col=71D9E2}}
{{end box}}
I seem unable to get one Crossrail in the middle and an stuck with two where I only have one preceding station. The london underground has managed to do this as shown here:
{{s-start}}
{{s-rail|title=LUL}}
{{s-jnct|system=LUL|line=Piccadilly|previous=Heathrow Terminal 4|previous2=Heathrow Terminals 1, 2, 3|oneway3=yes|next=Hounslow West|type=Heathrow}}
{{end}}
Many thanks -- Lisa666 20:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering, can we add optional National Register of Historic Places date, architect, and architectural style(s) parameters to the stations infobox, it would go a long way toward solving the relatively silly inclusion of two infoboxes on some articles. Thanks for your time. IvoShandor 13:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
(unindent)Thanks for the compliment on the photo btw. I plant to expand Dwight (Amtrak station), as well as Plano (Amtrak station) eventually, I am currently working on Livingston County, Illinois NRHPs after taking a tour via Route 66. This is a big reason why I would like to see this integration sooner rather than later, I think something similar could be done with the bridges infobox as well. That's a different discussion though. But I am all for adding the parameters to the current station and bridges boxes as opposed to just merging the infobox templates into one. IvoShandor 23:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
There seem to be a lot of people in Category:People in rail transport who should be in Category:Pioneers of rail transport. People like George Stephenson for example. If he's not a pioneer then no one is! Does anyone know why? Budhen 18:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it even possible to create a sort of web ring for Wiki Projects? I was thinking of that as sort of a random article link but only for articles within the project. Much like those Web Rings everyone's familiar with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dp67 ( talk • contribs) 00:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Although not an official member of the Trains Project or NRHS, I thought it was high time that Wikipedia had an article about the National Railway Historical Society, so I've just started it. JGHowes talk - 01:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I was trying out WatchFlickr on Category:Pennsylvania railroads the other night, and it came up with a whole slew of articles that didn't quite seem appropriate for that category. As it turns out, that tool delves recursively into categories, some of which are quite deeply nested. For instance, Category:Amtrak, Category:CSX Transportation, and so on, are all sub-categories of Category:Pennsylvania railroads. This does not seem correct to me. The articles Amtrak, CSX, and so forth should be in the parent category, but the categories should not be subcategories of Pennsylvania railroads. While CSX itself operates in Pennsylvania, articles pertaining to CSX and hence in Category:CSX Transportation do not necessarily have any connection to Pennsylvania. It is my intention, therefore, to remove Amtrak, CSX, etc. as subcategories of Pennsylvania railroads and place them in, say Category:Rail transport in the United States, the most specific category still pertinent to all of the articles in the subcategory. However, as this seemingly excessive method of categorization does seem to have wide currency in Wikipedia, I thought I would solicit advice on this talk page first before going about things. If you feel the categorization is appopriate, please reply here. Choess 00:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it is time to throw in the towel for the monorails task force. No one has expressed consistent interest in my little pet project since its creation 8 months ago. It's time for me to stop taking up wikipedia namespace.-- MrFish Go Fish 13:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Another editor just nominated 2017 in rail transport for deletion; please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 in rail transport. Slambo (Speak) 21:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
[3] (and subsequent pages) is a 1945 plan for transportation in Detroit. It includes the following:
Would it be appropriate to do something like:
Or would it be original research to call it light rail, even in only the link? I don't think it would qualify as the current definition of rapid transit, since, while that part would be grade-separated, the part on the surface of Grand River Avenue would not be. -- NE2 13:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)