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Here's a plan:
(undent) It'll almost certainly be much shorter when we're done. We'll take out anything we don't need. And yes, that's the idea... I'm gonna copy this entire conversation to the talk page of that one.... Ling.Nut 23:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Chinese history, so there might be a big overlap between this project and that one. (But still, I think it's better if we have our own venue for discussion regarding Three Kingdoms.) _dk 00:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Basically I prefer that this project list down all officers in the battle in a wikitable so that it will be easier for reference, but of course we have to differentiate between fact and fiction for this project.As this project is difficult in the sense that it has been very long ever since the publish date of San Guo Zhi and the novel. Mastertkw 2:08pm, 17 june 2007
Got the ball rolling on a GA nom for Battle of Red Cliffs. It will probably take more than a little time for a reviewer to get to it. Ling.Nut 12:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Much of the MILHIST page that is the source for this project page is taken up with elucidation of various Categories and Infoboxes. There are many Three Kingdoms categories; we need to display a tree or trees for them. There are also infoboxes, and I believe we need a generic "Three Kingdoms Biography" infobox patterned after (and probably replacing) the {{ Three Kingdoms emperor}} infobox, an example of which is at Sun Quan. -- Ling.Nut 12:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
This is for later, but.. do we want an assessment system for all Three Kingdoms articles? You know, where people rate the article Stub, Start, B, GA, A or FA? I've set up.. ummm.. I think three of those so far, for three different wikiprojects, so Can Do.. if everyone wants it... -- Ling.Nut 04:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done it. Now we must complete the class and importance parameters in the project tag. Armando.O talk • Ev 03:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Sarazyn is right — I haven't seen any 3K FA's. I have my hopes pinned on Battle of Red Cliffs as our inaugural FA. :-) ... Do we wanna collaborate, have FA/GA drives, etc.? If so, which articles?
(undent)
I've added this WikiProject to the WikiProject directory [1]. And just a note - I don't know if anybody here has any experience with growing a WikiProject, but I think your first task here should be to tag as many relevant articles as possible with the WikiProject tag. This will help you recruit members. But even when people start putting their names down as members, they may not actively participate. It would be helpful to make comments here at the Talk page often, even if you are the only one or two people doing it. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 05:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
_dk has raised a number of objections to the layout etc. of {{ Three Kingdoms}}. We've made a few changes as per his suggestions, but further comments from other WP:3K members are encouraged. See Template talk:Three Kingdoms#Discussion. Thanks! Ling.Nut 12:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Please come and discuss the issue here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Five Wei Generals. _dk 21:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
hey, if we wanna put the cats on the wikiproject page (I'm neutral on the issue) here they are: User:Ling.Nut/3kcats. This listing actually omits some redundant branches of the tree without missing any individual cats.. or so I hope.. Ling.Nut 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to create a userbox to attract more members once the portal announcement is pulled off after it pasts the pulldate. Anyone would like to take on this task? OhanaUnited Talk page 05:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
What about this {{User WP3K}}:
This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
Ooh, maybe a picture of Guan Yu would be nice, too. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 03:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I tried to download some free calligraphy-looking Chinese fonts from here - [2] - to type out "三國" in a more artistic font, but for some reason the character 國 never renders with the new fonts. It always renders with one of the default fonts that comes with Windows. Maybe someone else will have better luck. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 03:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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I know I might not be in a position to say this since I haven't committed myself as a full member of this WikiProject - but please no images from the Koei games! I love those games and they definitely have some nice graphics but it would be better if the images this WikiProject use were more "proper". Just my 2 cents. I already prefer it if we keep info about the games to a minimal on the related articles for the Three Kingdoms Period. No offense to anybody here, but WP is too full of anime and video game cruft as it is. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 05:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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...errr... now?
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This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
(undent) try gold (puts on sunglasses)
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This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
(undent) two-tone?
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Looks good! I like the last one the most. How about a line seperating the image and the text?
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Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 18:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Had to do a "text-align: center" for the left table cell because aligning left was messing it up in IE. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 18:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, that align-center attribute wasn't the problem. The problem was that the image is 69 pixels wide, and the table cell it was in was only specified 60 pixels wide. Take a look at the version I have here below. The left cell is specified to be 75 pixels wide, and I also took out some font specifications that's unnecessary in the left cell.
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Anyway, the problem wasn't happening all the time. Sometimes it rendered fine, and sometimes it didn't. I think it's just IE being stupid as usual. I took a screenshot of what I was seeing - Image:3KPTalk.jpg. As for the line between the two table cells. It's certainly not necessary. I was just wondering if it makes the userbox look better. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 19:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Comments:
I'm posting this here for those people who don't frequent the WikiProject China talk page...
The Battle of Red Cliffs article has too few images, too few for even a jab at the WP:FAC process. For something as famous/influential as this battle (like THE most famous Chinese battle in history, really), I'm shocked that I cannot find any free use images depicting the battle on the internet. So here is my request: Are there any free use image of the battle (ie. Did any ancient artist try to draw it?) that can be used on the article?
Thank you. _dk 09:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a part of this project, but browsing through the various character pages, I find the Modern References sections stand out like sore digits. They read less like examples from popular culture and more like a summarised guide to playing them in Dynasty Warriors. Would anyone object if I a) edited them down to the basics and b) added stuff that isn't just Dynasty Warriors? -- 77.99.30.226 16:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
(undent) Oh the stars bit was the least important bit. Other things more important... and taking articles to GA is a visible marker/signpost of progress... five (sufficiently important) articles sounds good... Ling.Nut 03:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
There's a page in my user space... here that is earmarked for work on a "Modern References" section for Battle of Red Cliffs... when it's done we'll move it into the article...
There are already three newspaper articles there that could be sources for a little info.. plus there's a PC strategy game called "Dragon Throne: Battle of Red Cliffs"... and I dunno if the section should only be modern; there are several famous poems by Su Shi etc.... anyone who wants to contribute to the workpage is W-E-L-C-O-M-E to do so... I dunno if I'll be a lot of help for the next three or 4 weeks... Ling.Nut 00:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll just list down the things we can mention (not in this order):
That was my plan to tackle the "Cultural legacy" section, but since you guys are interested in writing the section yourselves, I'll just show you what my plan would be and you guys can decide if this is the way you want to write the section. Of course, I'll pop in and help around from time to time. Gentlemen, I wish you good luck. _dk 02:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
OK, this is my response:
For unfailing dedication, keen insight and pleasant demeanor, for exceptional contributions to all topics related to China, this Gold Wiki is awarded to User:Nlu from the following members of WP;3K: (names here)...
(undent) Yeah, but in my opinion it sorta looks more... well more more if all the names are listed. But I don't wanna put anyone's name unless they agree. Ling.Nut
(undent) I'll add you... Ling.Nut 03:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much, guys. I haven't had the chance to edit a whole lot lately due to my being busy, and I appreciate the cheer-up. -- Nlu ( talk) 05:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I've been discussing this with Ling.Nut and we've decided to bring it up here. The article is, at the moment, written entirely in American English. However, the article uses metric units (kilometres) in the descriptions and not imperial units (miles) which I feel presents a discrepancy in style. Considering we're on an FA push with this article, I've suggested that we change the style to British English to keep it all uniform. Ling has no problem with this, and I'll make the change, provided that nobody opposes this for any specific reason. Gamer Junkie 08:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
Here's a plan:
(undent) It'll almost certainly be much shorter when we're done. We'll take out anything we don't need. And yes, that's the idea... I'm gonna copy this entire conversation to the talk page of that one.... Ling.Nut 23:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Chinese history, so there might be a big overlap between this project and that one. (But still, I think it's better if we have our own venue for discussion regarding Three Kingdoms.) _dk 00:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Basically I prefer that this project list down all officers in the battle in a wikitable so that it will be easier for reference, but of course we have to differentiate between fact and fiction for this project.As this project is difficult in the sense that it has been very long ever since the publish date of San Guo Zhi and the novel. Mastertkw 2:08pm, 17 june 2007
Got the ball rolling on a GA nom for Battle of Red Cliffs. It will probably take more than a little time for a reviewer to get to it. Ling.Nut 12:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Much of the MILHIST page that is the source for this project page is taken up with elucidation of various Categories and Infoboxes. There are many Three Kingdoms categories; we need to display a tree or trees for them. There are also infoboxes, and I believe we need a generic "Three Kingdoms Biography" infobox patterned after (and probably replacing) the {{ Three Kingdoms emperor}} infobox, an example of which is at Sun Quan. -- Ling.Nut 12:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
This is for later, but.. do we want an assessment system for all Three Kingdoms articles? You know, where people rate the article Stub, Start, B, GA, A or FA? I've set up.. ummm.. I think three of those so far, for three different wikiprojects, so Can Do.. if everyone wants it... -- Ling.Nut 04:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done it. Now we must complete the class and importance parameters in the project tag. Armando.O talk • Ev 03:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Sarazyn is right — I haven't seen any 3K FA's. I have my hopes pinned on Battle of Red Cliffs as our inaugural FA. :-) ... Do we wanna collaborate, have FA/GA drives, etc.? If so, which articles?
(undent)
I've added this WikiProject to the WikiProject directory [1]. And just a note - I don't know if anybody here has any experience with growing a WikiProject, but I think your first task here should be to tag as many relevant articles as possible with the WikiProject tag. This will help you recruit members. But even when people start putting their names down as members, they may not actively participate. It would be helpful to make comments here at the Talk page often, even if you are the only one or two people doing it. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 05:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
_dk has raised a number of objections to the layout etc. of {{ Three Kingdoms}}. We've made a few changes as per his suggestions, but further comments from other WP:3K members are encouraged. See Template talk:Three Kingdoms#Discussion. Thanks! Ling.Nut 12:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Please come and discuss the issue here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Five Wei Generals. _dk 21:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
hey, if we wanna put the cats on the wikiproject page (I'm neutral on the issue) here they are: User:Ling.Nut/3kcats. This listing actually omits some redundant branches of the tree without missing any individual cats.. or so I hope.. Ling.Nut 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to create a userbox to attract more members once the portal announcement is pulled off after it pasts the pulldate. Anyone would like to take on this task? OhanaUnited Talk page 05:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
What about this {{User WP3K}}:
This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
Ooh, maybe a picture of Guan Yu would be nice, too. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 03:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I tried to download some free calligraphy-looking Chinese fonts from here - [2] - to type out "三國" in a more artistic font, but for some reason the character 國 never renders with the new fonts. It always renders with one of the default fonts that comes with Windows. Maybe someone else will have better luck. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 03:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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This user is a
member of the Video Games WikiProject. |
I know I might not be in a position to say this since I haven't committed myself as a full member of this WikiProject - but please no images from the Koei games! I love those games and they definitely have some nice graphics but it would be better if the images this WikiProject use were more "proper". Just my 2 cents. I already prefer it if we keep info about the games to a minimal on the related articles for the Three Kingdoms Period. No offense to anybody here, but WP is too full of anime and video game cruft as it is. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 05:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
...errr... now?
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This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
![]() |
This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
(undent) try gold (puts on sunglasses)
![]() |
This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms Wikiproject. |
(undent) two-tone?
![]() |
This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms WikiProject. |
Looks good! I like the last one the most. How about a line seperating the image and the text?
![]() |
This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms WikiProject. |
Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 18:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Had to do a "text-align: center" for the left table cell because aligning left was messing it up in IE. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 18:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, that align-center attribute wasn't the problem. The problem was that the image is 69 pixels wide, and the table cell it was in was only specified 60 pixels wide. Take a look at the version I have here below. The left cell is specified to be 75 pixels wide, and I also took out some font specifications that's unnecessary in the left cell.
![]() |
This user is a member of the Three Kingdoms WikiProject. |
Anyway, the problem wasn't happening all the time. Sometimes it rendered fine, and sometimes it didn't. I think it's just IE being stupid as usual. I took a screenshot of what I was seeing - Image:3KPTalk.jpg. As for the line between the two table cells. It's certainly not necessary. I was just wondering if it makes the userbox look better. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 19:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Comments:
I'm posting this here for those people who don't frequent the WikiProject China talk page...
The Battle of Red Cliffs article has too few images, too few for even a jab at the WP:FAC process. For something as famous/influential as this battle (like THE most famous Chinese battle in history, really), I'm shocked that I cannot find any free use images depicting the battle on the internet. So here is my request: Are there any free use image of the battle (ie. Did any ancient artist try to draw it?) that can be used on the article?
Thank you. _dk 09:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a part of this project, but browsing through the various character pages, I find the Modern References sections stand out like sore digits. They read less like examples from popular culture and more like a summarised guide to playing them in Dynasty Warriors. Would anyone object if I a) edited them down to the basics and b) added stuff that isn't just Dynasty Warriors? -- 77.99.30.226 16:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
(undent) Oh the stars bit was the least important bit. Other things more important... and taking articles to GA is a visible marker/signpost of progress... five (sufficiently important) articles sounds good... Ling.Nut 03:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
There's a page in my user space... here that is earmarked for work on a "Modern References" section for Battle of Red Cliffs... when it's done we'll move it into the article...
There are already three newspaper articles there that could be sources for a little info.. plus there's a PC strategy game called "Dragon Throne: Battle of Red Cliffs"... and I dunno if the section should only be modern; there are several famous poems by Su Shi etc.... anyone who wants to contribute to the workpage is W-E-L-C-O-M-E to do so... I dunno if I'll be a lot of help for the next three or 4 weeks... Ling.Nut 00:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll just list down the things we can mention (not in this order):
That was my plan to tackle the "Cultural legacy" section, but since you guys are interested in writing the section yourselves, I'll just show you what my plan would be and you guys can decide if this is the way you want to write the section. Of course, I'll pop in and help around from time to time. Gentlemen, I wish you good luck. _dk 02:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
OK, this is my response:
For unfailing dedication, keen insight and pleasant demeanor, for exceptional contributions to all topics related to China, this Gold Wiki is awarded to User:Nlu from the following members of WP;3K: (names here)...
(undent) Yeah, but in my opinion it sorta looks more... well more more if all the names are listed. But I don't wanna put anyone's name unless they agree. Ling.Nut
(undent) I'll add you... Ling.Nut 03:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much, guys. I haven't had the chance to edit a whole lot lately due to my being busy, and I appreciate the cheer-up. -- Nlu ( talk) 05:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I've been discussing this with Ling.Nut and we've decided to bring it up here. The article is, at the moment, written entirely in American English. However, the article uses metric units (kilometres) in the descriptions and not imperial units (miles) which I feel presents a discrepancy in style. Considering we're on an FA push with this article, I've suggested that we change the style to British English to keep it all uniform. Ling has no problem with this, and I'll make the change, provided that nobody opposes this for any specific reason. Gamer Junkie 08:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)