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I've been keeping my eye out for how these are managed elsewhere.
Best one I've found is at WikiProject Trains. This utilises a custom variant of the {{ todo}} box, called {{ todo, trains}}. To see it in action, check out Talk:British Rail.
This box resides at top of a talk page, under the project banner, rather than in a side-bar. This has the benefit that longer sentences may be used!
EdJogg 15:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a current WP-wide push towards the effective elimination of non-free images, especially from pages using multiple images. This has a potentially huge impact on the 'Thomas' pages, considering almost all the pictures are tagged as 'fair use'. So far, only List of Railway Series Books has been de-imaged (see its talk page for important initial discussions), but the bots are roaming about and delete-warning messages concerning screenshot images are already appearing on grouped-character talk pages.
I have posted a lengthy message at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#WikiProject Thomas and use of non-free images asking for formal guidance, as there is a potentially large workload to recover from this situation – too much for one person – and I don't want to waste what limited effort I can spare.
As I see it there are only three likely outcomes:
It is a sad state of affairs, but I think that the first of these is the only really likely outcome, since to retain the existing set of images also requires the application of individual 'fair use rationales' to all of the images – and there's a lot of them.
Views on the sensible way forward are welcomed.
Regards -- EdJogg 12:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Update: This new policy has caused major waves – and not a little ill-feeling – within the WP community. You don't have to look far to find editors requesting reviews of the policy, guidance on what is allowed, how to write fair-use rationales, requests for leniency with delete timescales, etc, etc. Some of the discussions (including at the link above) are extremely heated, and they are going on in parallel in several places. It will take a while for the dust to settle, but, whatever the final decisions, there is a lot of work ahead for WP:THOMAS members.
The one thing we can say for certain is that there has been an effective paradigm-shift on the use of non-free images within WP. In future, screen-shots and book-cover scans need to meet WP:FUC and be covered by a 'Fair Use Rationale' (FUR). (To be fair, this has always been the case, it's just that it was not enforced in the past.) The FUR provides information to describe the image and its source, plus our reasoning (for each location it is used) why it is necessary to use a non-free image. This is mainly required for downstream users, so that they may determine whether their use of the image is legal.
I've had a brief chat with MDCollins, and the following is a start at determining some kind of plan to move the project forward.
EdJogg 17:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
At present I am thinking we will need to have a fairly serious rethink as to how the grouped pages are presented – that, or just accept that they will be clear of images. The following paragraphs list a few of my ideas, in no particular order...
The one thing we can say from this is that the coverage of the Railway Series will be much easier to move forward due to the wealth of 'reliable source' material we have to draw on. But I can see many more problems for the TV Series coverage in the future...
EdJogg 18:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that the five Narrow Gauge engine pages ( Skarloey, Rheneas, Sir Handel, Peter Sam, and Rusty the Diesel) have been left with some thrown together info from The Railway Series. They were left without even one image (minus the Rusty page, which retains a picture of the large-scale model).
Seeing as the pages for Thomas, Gordon, Toby etc. have combined details from the TV series and books, and since these NG characters are just as important (these engines have existed about as long as the Steam Team ones have), I figured that the pages should have more than RWS information. After all, that's the original reason we had them. Otherwise, we could simply merge the pages into the RWS character page.
These are important characters that have survived the test of time, and I think they deserve to share their history with Wikipedia. I propose that the following tasks be re-instated:
I'd be willing to begin the assignment post-haste, and keep the page top-quality. The pages can be prone to vandalism, but I check the pages at least once a day. With that said, I think it's safe to upgrade the pages. Do you?
-- Rusty5 00:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
It was also recently recommended that the NG engine summaries on Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) be split into a separate article called [[Narrow gauge engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends). That way, Bertram, Smudger and Proteus could be transferred there as well, making a page for only that range of characters. -- Rusty5 18:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
We shouldn't make a pointless page on a character like Mighty Mac. After all, he's a brand new character (when I say new, I mean not enough appearances.) So it needs to be a MAJOR character. Keep watch, dudes.-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Earlier this year, when the furore over fair-use images erupted, I added the bulk of the 'Thomas' screenshots to my watchlist. Since then, nothing much has happened...until now.
Someone has spotted that certain 'Thomas' images do not meet WP requirements, and have flagged them as such. Images flagged in this way may be deleted (automatically?) after seven days if no action is taken. WP is quite strict on this, and hence the 'Thomas & Friends' pages may lose all their screenshots if urgent action is not taken very soon.
The following images (at least) have been flagged as having no Fair Use Rationale:
I must stress that this list only includes images that were used on the 'Thomas' pages on some specific day in June. Any which have been added since, or those I haven't seen -- and hence are not on my watchlist -- may also be targetted for deletion.
Project members familiar with (and, dare I say, 'passionate about') the TV Series need to address these issues, in accordance with the appropriate WP policies and guidelines, as a matter of some urgency. (I'm afraid that I cannot help with this task, although I can offer pointers towards official guidance if help is requested.)
Guidance for writing a Fair Use Rationale may be found at Talk:Non-rail vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)#Pictures. Hopefully this will be sufficient to comply with the WP policies, but it may be necessary to add additional information, specific to the character, to ensure that the FUR's are seen to be different and not just duplicated.
Good luck! EdJogg 10:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Well done Fiddle Faddle. S.C.Ruffeyfan--17:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC) 17:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
We have a problem, people. Now S11 is almost over, spammers will start to make up junk and rubbish stuff. All sorts of 'characters' like 'Cosmo the Sonic Engine' and fake info on The Great Discovery like 'The Mountain Engines make an appearance' or 'Thomas's driver's name is Fred Roberts' could appear. So keep your eyes peeled! S.C.Ruffeyfan 14:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
All the screenshot images have now been removed from the combined-character pages. This is exactly as I predicted a few months ago (see WP:THOMAS fair-use image crisis above).
As is explained at User:Durin/Fair use overuse explanation, this deletion is entirely in keeping with WP policies, and is really not worth contesting. Individual character pages, however, may be alright...
The question is, what, if anything, are we going to do about this?
NOTE: The pages, as they were in June 2007, were rescued -- images and all -- to the companion wiki: Train Spotting World, where there is a growing group of enthusiastic editors, er, 'looking after them'. So, in one sense, it does not matter if the pictures are absent from the WP pages.
Thoughts, please?
EdJogg 12:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
OK.-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
We could show links to a picture of a character. It means that I'll need a lot of help. -- S.C.Ruffeyfan 11:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
In my sandbox, someone said Thomas was cancelled in 2002. Is that so?-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Please do not even consider thinking about creating lists of the videos of 'Thomas' episodes that have been released.
Such pages are not appreciated here at WP.
If you don't believe me, follow these links to see what other editors think...
Be warned, I will not hesitate to support the deletion of similar unverifiable lists of Thomas videos and merchandise.
EdJogg 00:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Should I add a template saying the talk page for TGD is within the scope of the project-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 17:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
A large number of pages on the lists of characters seem to be using =H1= styles rather than starting with ==H2==. This is contrary to the advice at Wikipedia:Section#Creation and numbering of sections and Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings etc., and the pattern of use elsewhere in Wikipedia. I have changed a couple, but got tired [1] [2] -- Rumping ( talk) 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello readers of WikiProject Thomas!
I just wondered if any of you would be interested in joining up to Train Spotting World, a wiki just for railways and similar things! We are also in the process of setting up several "Workforces", similar to WikiProjects, and were wondering if anyone wnated to help!
Various wikipedians have goine over there, including myself, User:Tbo 157, User:Slambo, User:EdJogg, User:Timtrent and User:S.C.Ruffeyfan.
If you want more info, or have joined up and want some guidance, let me know here or there on my talk page!
Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluegoblin7 ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
All of the Thomas and Friends season lists are unsourced. This means there is no way for readers to verify the information they contain. It also means that it is very hard to distinguish valid edits from vandalism and erroneous additions. I have tagged all the articles from Thomas and Friends – Season 1 through to Thomas and Friends – Season 12 as unsourced. Could members of the project please start citing proper sources for these. Unsourced information in articles can and will be deleted, so these articles are at risk. Thanks, Gwernol 22:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I recently got into an editing conflict with S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. over a morsel of information in some of the recently-released details of Season 12 episodes. On the subject of the episode "Steady Eddie" (which has only a title and no summary, adding to the confusion), some parties are debating that "Eddie" is the name of a new character and not just a variation of "Edward". S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. took the viewpoint that we should consider the title an indication of a new character until we have information saying otherwise, while I argue that we should wait to post anything until we have definite information. We decided to take it up with more experienced editors who are more in tune with Wikipedia's guidelines. Starkiller ( talk) 16:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
As you'll notice, I have suggesested merges for the character articles (Except the Main 10). My reason? They lack sources, and are rather un-needed. If we can provide information to make good, cited articles, that's great, but, untill then, we should merge all the character articles into 1, titled "List of Characters in Thomas & Friends". It can have all the characters, so long as we cite them. I'll be more than happy to help. I hope that you all agree, and that we can get this work completed soon. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 01:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
As for the characters, look at one you cited yourself – Terrence – you have a brief character description and then a bunch of lists. I don't see much that makes it distinct enough to have its own article. Even Duck isn't that expansive – you could redistribute the TV/RS info into their respective articles and not lose much. Harold and Emily are similar, while Trevor, Donald and Douglas are strangely articulate, but still fairly short for distinct articles.
I don't think we're just arbitrarily trying upset the establishment by rearranging things – we're throwing around ideas to condense the information and make the articles look more presentable to the public. Starkiller ( talk) 16:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 20:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
However, I will demonstrate what I have in store in that sandbox template (Be aware, I won't be sourcing things) ,and I think that once I finish, they could improve the articles, if you guys think it won't, no big deal, I'll scrap the idea and we'll all move on. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 01:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I was also thinking recently that maybe all the separate Season articles should be merged into one "Episodes" article – since the Season articles have been basically reduced to summaries now, and don't take up much space, I think they could be reasonably condensed into one article (one like this). Starkiller ( talk) 14:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Season | Original Release | Episodes | |||||
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Series 1 | 1984 | 26 | |||||
Series 2 | 1986 | 26 | |||||
Series 3 | 1991–92 | 26 | |||||
Series 4 | 1994–95 | 26 | |||||
Series 5 | 1998 | 26 | |||||
Thomas and the Magic Railroad | 2000 | - | |||||
Series 6 | 2002 | 26 | |||||
Series 7 | 2003 | 26 | |||||
Series 8 | 2004 | 26 | |||||
Calling All Engines | 2005 | - | |||||
Series 9 | 2005 | 26 | |||||
Series 10 | 2006 | 28 | |||||
On Site with Thomas | 2006 | 13 | |||||
Series 11 | 2007 | 20 | |||||
Engines and Escapades | 2007 | 6 | |||||
The Great Discovery | 2008 | - | |||||
Series 12 | 2008 | 20 | |||||
Ah. The interviews would have been good sources for production info. I guess the episodes could do as a single article, although with the rate HIT's producing the show it could get very large very fast. Starkiller ( talk) 00:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Does this project have a userbox? If not, I will happily provide one. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 01:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
File:Thomas the Tank Engine Rug (Cropped).jpg | This user is a member of
WikiProject: Thomas |
I tried using colors matching the main cast, but, the hex triplet has been de-activated on me... -.- Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 20:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Thomas participants... WikiProject Media franchises needs some help from other projects which are similar. Media franchises' scope deals primarily with the coordination of articles within the hundreds if not thousands of media franchises which exist. Sometimes a franchise might just need color coordination of the various templates used; it could mean creating an article for the franchise as a jump off point for the children of it; or the creation of a new templating system for media franchise articles. The project primarily focuses on multimedia franchises. It would be great if some of this project's participants would come over and help the project get back on solid footing. Also, if you know of similar projects which have not received this, let Lady Aleena ( talk · contribs) know. Please come and take a look at the project and see if you wish to lend a hand. You can sign up here if you wish. Thank you. LA @ 21:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Thomas participants... WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA ( T) @ 23:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just completed a merge of Minor characters from Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends to the Visiting Engines section of Railway engines (Thomas and Friends). However, there are a large number of now-double redirects athat need to be fixed. To complicate the matter, they should not all aim to the one place, instead they should be spread amongst the various character lists to point at the relevant information. I've done the ones I know and can easily track down, but the rest can be identified at [3] -- saberwyn 00:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Following on from the other merge proposals on this page, I was wondering whether it might be appropriate to break-up the {{ Thomas}} navi-template? I'm not convinced this change is actually needed; however, there is an argument for simplifying the template, and the obvious way is to split it along TV series/books lines. To achieve this we would need FOUR templates:
Now this is an awful lot of work for very little gain (remembering that all the articles that use the templates will also need changing!) but if there is an overwhelming need for a change, then this is what I would suggest is appropriate.
EdJogg ( talk) 11:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Another point to make for the existence of dual-character pages was the amount of young editors who would attack the characters from an unbalanced TV series perspective, (some not realising that there were even books) so that they all looked like they were created for/by TV and not based on printed (easily sourceable?) material, i.e. the RS. If well-written articles are what you aim for, why not start by referencing some of the material on the 10 major engines.– MDCollins ( talk) 00:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I think I'm going to largely agree with EdJogg's suggestions here. I agree that the lack of references is a problem, and I'm ashamed to admit that it's one of those things I keep meaning to do something about.
I don't think we really need to merge any more – at the absolute minimum, there's a justification for keeping engines 1-7 (because this is a huge, worldwide, 60-year-old franchise of which these characters consistently form the nucleus) and the Fat Controller (ditto, plus his major pop culture impact outside the serieseses)
Overlapping is a slight worry – perhaps the articles should be reconfigured to:
I say most of the trivia and technical detail could be scrapped entirely. Maybe I'm being a bit too blunt here, but I don't really think it matters if a character has a slightly different running plate in series 9 or they've crashed four times or in one episode they have the wrong whistle sound. HonestTom ( talk) 22:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Since the previous discussions I have heavily modified the template, having discovered that I could. It is now sub-divided into groups internally, each of which may be hidden. Hence much of the previous discussion is now redundant.
EdJogg ( talk) 02:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arlesdale Railway
Basically it covers the various individual railway articles and the individual locations (Dryaw, etc)
Has been raised by someone with an axe to grind (?) and few edits to his name thus far.
Urgent assistance would be appreciated!
EdJogg ( talk) 02:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello fellow Thomas the Tank Engine WikiProject members!
I would like to post this as a formal invitation to the users here to join my new forum, which can be found at this link:
The NEW Tugboats and Thomas Forums
There are many different discussions and room for plenty more, just follow the rules and have fun.
Several users here have already decided to join and I hope more will. Check it out and enjoy!!!
ZEM (Hankengine) ( talk) 02:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Just noticed on the Season 12 page that (apparently) Pierce Brosnan is NOT going to be narrating seasons 12-14 after all.
Cheers EdJogg ( talk) 17:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
If someone wants a little something to do (!?), it looks like the episode listing for "Tram Trouble" (between "James Works It Out" and "Don't Go Back"?) went missing on 30 Sept, and hasn't been seen since! Next TV showing appears to be on Fiver this coming weekend (Sat 8 Nov). Kwerty ( talk) 20:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone has (re)created Thomas and Friends – Season 13.
At present it is not categorised, nor identified as a project page, but more to the point, there are no references for the information.
What is the current status of Pierce Brosnan, etc?
EdJogg ( talk) 10:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Recently, new pages were created for Oliver the western engine and Duke (Thomas the Tank engine). Another editor (not me) proposed them both for deletion (PROD) on the basis that it was "...against WP:THOMAS/FAQ#Guidelines for character descriptions". Despite this reason, the PROD was turned down because "...with articles on all other Thomas the Tank Engine engines and characters, there is a good chance someone will want to keep this".
Now, both pages are essentially copies of articles at the Thomas & Friends wiki at Wikia ( Oliver and Duke), and there is no real textual content within the pages at Wikipedia as they stand that is not already present on the various grouped character pages.
So, what do we do now? Oliver and Duke are both 'borderline minor' characters: both have their own books in the Railway Series, but don't appear much beyond them, and neither appear very much in the TV series. On this basis they have previously been considered 'minor'. On the other hand, Duke turns up in at least four pages (Railway Series – Minor, TTE&F – Narrow Gauge, Skarloey Railway, Mid Sodor Railway) so there is some justification in pointing all of these to a single main article.
Regardless, Oliver the western engine is an incorrect page name and needs to be converted to a redirect. The question is, should the current redirect ( Oliver the Western Engine) be made into a character page or not. And as for Duke, he is only a very minor character in the TV Series, so surely his character page (if created) should be Duke the Lost Engine (rather than the new Duke (Thomas the Tank engine))?
Thoughts, anyone?
EdJogg ( talk) 15:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Finally bothered to do it. Oliver the western engine was redirected to new page Oliver (Thomas and Friends character) in the meantime (about the fourth such redirect!)
Since the official RWS titles ( Oliver the Western Engine and Duke the Lost Engine) already redirect to the RWS 'Major' and 'Minor' character pages, respectively, the new redirects (which mention T&F in the name) have been redirected to the 'Railway engines' and 'Narrow Gauge engines' character pages for Thomas & Friends instead.
EdJogg ( talk) 13:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
These are hard to come by. As mentioned previously, "The Thomas the Tank Engine Man" book includes refs to the first four series, although I don't think this has been quoted on WP yet.
At last, HIT have provided links to the characters on their website. For example http://www.thomasandfriends.com/uk/fergus.asp describes Fergus (and also provides access to the other characters in the "Engine Depot"). I think we should include links to all of these as references from the appropriate character descriptions. However, do watch out for inconsistencies: Duke is described as the oldest engine, whereas Skarloey and Rheneas are both older (although, of course, the TV Series never did pay much attention to the characters' real history!)
Interestingly, the US and UK sub-sites have different pages -- for example, the "Oliver" page lists 'brake van' in the UK and 'break van' in the US. (I think the US page must be a typo, surely? The Americans don't really refer to brakes as 'breaks' do they??) Surprisingly there is no page for Boco, Duck, Trevor or Terence. Nevertheless its a worthwhile addition to the pages.
Anyone care to take this on as a task?
EdJogg ( talk) 11:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
PS – correction, there IS a page for Duck, but it is not included in the scrollable list!! - worth checking for other characters, although Boco/Trevor/Terence are still not there. (Worth an email to the HIT webmaster, anyone?) EJ
Hey hows it going. I'm SteelersFan_UK06, one of the editors on the front line of WP:TUGS, and i wanted to say a few things. You would think that two projects which are so closely linked would have more .... communication, but oh well. Anyways!
Firstly, I recently created Clearwater Periscope lens system, the television camera used on both TUGS and, from what sources say, the early series' of Thomas. I thought I should alert you lot of this, in case you wish to integrate it into your articles, and possibly – more importantly – expand upon it! As you can see with it only being a few lines, it does need a bit of work, yet it is still notable. According to a press pack released by the makers of TUGS, there were only two cameras ever made (Which suggests one for Thomas and one for TUGS, unless they filmed at different times) which makes them pretty unique. The only information i have on them is from a couple of websites used as references on the page just now, but any more information which could be added would be amazing.
Secondly, i was looking through the history of this talk page to try and find out the history of WP:TUGS (i figured it must have started here) and all i could find was Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thomas/Archive 2#TUGS project. As far as i know, Driveus (the creator) seemed to leave on a bad note (unfortunately here and here...), seemed to not handle things very well ( ahem...) as well as having a few ownership issues, which I think personally wouldn't have been the way i would have went about things. As I looked through your archives i could see that Gonzo, MDCollins, and Ed (Amongst others not forgotten!) were all making very significant improvements to the Thomas articles in a very encyclopediac (sic methinks) manner, work which i could only dream of taking place over at TUGS. You deserve a lot of thanks, which i give from myself and those at our project. And sorry about him.
And lastly, since about early to mid-2007, our TUGS WikiProject seems to have been deserted somewhat, with a number of its editors dissapearing to other waters (Driveus in particular). All i'm going to say is that anyone here who feels they could contribute in any way to our project, they would be more than welcome to join the club. I'm sure a lot of your editors would probably know quite a lot about TUGS, as they started around the same time.
Thanks again guys, and keep up the good work. -- SteelersFanUK06 ReplyOnMine! 22:32, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
In reference to the suggestion on the Island of Sodor page that Sodor doesn't appear to be connected to the mainland in the television series, here are some considerations to make, although it is never specifically mentioned.
When Toby arrives on the Island of Sodor, he and Henrietta appear to travel by the mainline to meet with the Fat Controller at Tidmouth.
In season 1, in the episode 'Dirty Objects', James is performing a shunt at Knapford Junction (Elsbridge in the television series). Beside him on the siding, an open wagon can be seen with the "L M S" lettering, suggesting it has strayed from the London Midland Scottish railway. If Sodor was not connected to the mainland, it would be unlikely for trucks to be shipped to Sodor, which belonged to another railway.
When Henry is returning from Crewe, he does so along the mainline and under his own power, suggesting he has travelled home from Crewe via rail and not via ship. Should he have been transferred by ship, he'd have been collected by another engine and returned to The Yard.
The Fat Controller controls all the engines on Sodor (mentioned in season 1). If he had known of Oliver as a viable locomotive to restore for use, he would have done so. Oliver would not have been transferred to Sodor by ship if he was intended for scrap. He must have travelled with Toad by rail before running out of coal.
When numerous diesel electrics arrive (or depart), they do so by rail. If they have come to work on the Fat Controller's railway (or are leaving) the must travel to beyond its limits, in this case, back to the mainland. When they depart, the do so by rail.
Although there is no definitive point that suggests it is connected to the mainland, I can't see how the article can suggest that it isn't with the above in consideration.
Toxation ( talk) 15:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
This is loooooong overdue.
Project participants may be interested to know that I have finally got round to creating a standard user box:
This user is a member of WikiProject THOMAS |
Feel free to use this in place of the existing wide box, or to start using it if you haven't already done so.
The choice of text background colour is arbitrary, but seems OK to me. "NWR blue" is usually darker, but using something like it causes readibilty problems by reducing the contrast vs the text colour. The choice of picture is simple: any photo used must not be 'non-free use', which pretty much excludes ALL photos/graphics of Thomas etc. This photo of "Duck" is not really a photo of "Duck", right? It is a GWR Pannier tank loco wearing a face mask, and the resemblance to "Duck" is purely co-incidental... (You do understand, don't you....? It's really not "Duck", OK?)
EdJogg ( talk) 13:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
For anyone who knew me here, I'm not going to be editing with this project much for a while as I'm seriously busy with projects on Wikia. ZEM talk to me! 13:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, all. I've been swooping through the TV articles lately, trying to see what I could clean up, and I eventually came to the "Film Characters". Well lately I've been wondering if the distinction between the TV series and the movies exists, or if it's more of something that the fans invented. One of the big arguments for the separation was that events in the movies/specials had no impact on the show, but that line's starting to blur.
One point to get out of the way: continuity in the TV series has always been shaky at best. Character development in Calling All Engines may not have carried over completely, but the sets have appeared since (the airport and the sheds). Great Discovery set up the following season with Stanley and Waterton. At the least, the "Calling All Engines," "Great Discovery," and "Hero of the Rails" sections don't add anything that isn't covered in other articles.
The only problem I can see in merging is the Shining Time characters creating crossover issues. But I'd like to open this point up for debate now. Starkiller ( talk) 18:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, Victor at the Steam works is missing. He is mentioned in the articles but he is NOT LISTED in the cast of characters. It's like he was dumped into the sea and forgotten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.94.65.64 ( talk) 15:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Since the show is (or at least was, at the beginning) primarily a British production, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use the term "Series" in place of "Season?" I noticed a discrepancy on the Thomas and Friends page, which uses both. I think in part since pages in this project insist on using Commonwealth spelling and terms, "Series" would be more appropriate. Starkiller ( talk) 17:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
In my browsing of the Thomas episodes I've noticed
Kwerty ( talk) 02:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Try something like this:
# | Total | Title | Writer(s) | Original airdate | TV order | |
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1 | 209 | "Percy & the Oil Painting" | Abi Grant | 4 September, 2005 | 201a | |
Percy shows an artist around Sodor to inspire his next painting, "The Spirit of Sodor", but the artist doesn't think any of Percy's places are special. | ||||||
2 | 210 | "Thomas & the Rainbow" | Abi Grant | 4 September, 2005 | 201b | |
Edward tells Thomas about the rainbow he just saw, and he spends his trip trying to find the end of the rainbow to see what's magical there. But he also ignores what he should be doing. | ||||||
3 | 211 | "etc" | etc | etc | etc | |
etc |
Starkiller ( talk) 22:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
There is discussion on how best to use cover art to "significantly improve reader understanding" for book series, without going overboard on non-free content images, both at WT:NFC#Requesting comment about galleries of book covers for book series articles and at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 July 23, where a very large number of book covers has been nominated for deletion.
Please do pass this on to relevant other WikiProjects whose members may be interested. Jheald ( talk) 23:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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What do you know? Thomas has two articles for videos, both listed as the "main" article on the Thomas and Friends page. Now let's forget that the original videos article was deleted a few years ago, is there anything worth salvaging on THESE pages? At most, it's pretty much the "Series" articles, but in a different order and WITHOUT the summaries. All anyone has to do is go to Amazon or some other site to find out which episodes are on which videos, I don't see the point of devoting an article here to a list of them, let alone two. And if these articles ARE to be saved, they're going to need a major overhaul. They're full of bad grammar and poor formatting. Starkiller ( talk) 16:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
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Could someone review and correct the character links on the season pages please? In particular, Thomas and Friends – Series 4 and Thomas and Friends – Series 5 both have vast numbers of incorrect links, pointing to generic name pages rather than the TV Series characters. There are poor links on some of the other season pages too, with incorrect 'Henrietta' and 'Stanley' links both seen.
Thanks. -- EdJogg ( talk) 13:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I've created a barnstar for this project, to reward those who have made excellent contributions to Thomas-related articles.
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-- Gyrobo ( talk) 20:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads up that on BBC Breakfast today Christopher Awdry all but confirmed book 42 would be released in 2011 to commemorate the 65th anniversary of WVA's birth (June 2011). He also implied that "he was to be discussing this later on" [presumably with the publishers...?]. Obviously we should add the information into articles until we have concrete reliable sources.
We'll need to keep an eye on the IP merchants. — User:MDCollins ( talk) 07:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi – sorry for not picking up this reply earlier. You're probably right on all counts above (100th anniversary/this year being 65th of TRS). To be honest I thought that I knew about the new book previously, but couldn't find it mentioned here – must have been wrong! Not sure there is a BBC ref as it wasn't a text article. And yes, I should find some more time to do some editing. The big drive on Toby was great seeing how much we can get done in a few days; since then, I've done pretty much zilch :-( — User:MDCollins ( talk) 20:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Since Thomas and friends airs on PBSKIDS in th US> I Included it in the PBSKIDS project. So all Thomas pages will need the PBSKIDS project tempeltes as well. If you are not a member of the PBSKIDS project please join. Thanks
Checker Fred ( talk) 18:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
The banner template identifying articles as falling within the scope of this WikiProject has been renamed to be consistent with other projects.
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Please update any pages that still use the old name when you edit the talk page, but please don't edit just to rename the template. (This unnecessarily inflates the edit history and wastes reviewing time of other editors.) Thank you.
EdJogg ( talk) 13:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Just seen these two edits to the Minor characters in The Railway Series article. They add fairly superficial information regarding original book characters being illustrated in My Thomas Story Library publications.
Is this something we want to actively discourage? These books blur the boundaries between the original books and the TV series and including such references could make it difficult to maintain the clear separation between the characters.
Anyone know what the SIF view is of this book series? Is it considered an off-shoot of the TV Series?
EdJogg ( talk) 08:57, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick ( talk) 20:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:Penrithguy -- EdJogg ( talk) 14:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The article Tidmouth is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tidmouth until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry ( talk) 13:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I found:
It talks about imperialistic views in the Railway series WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
@ EdJogg: @ Penrithguy: @ Redrose64: Hi all – not sure how many watch this page, but hopefully their are some – I'm pinging all project members listed as active, which isn't many (though incidentally, that list needs to be updated, one of many jobs!). Whilst I know it's a long way off, I've decided that this year I'd like to at least try and get Thomas & Friends to GA status, or at least significantly improve it. It's of course top importance for us, high importance to WikiProject Television, WikiProject British TV and WikiProject Trains, mid-importance on WikiProject Animation / Computer and even part of WikiProject Beatles; the page currently gets 32,000 views a month and is in a pretty shabby stage for a pretty important article. This will be my first 'big' project, so I'll need all the help I can get! So, some questions:
Thanks in advance for help and support, I'd be really interested to see if this project can be revived a bit :) Acather96 ( click here to contact me) 12:43, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Just a notification that an editor has nominated Hero of the Rails for deletion at Articles for Deletion – interested editors can comment here. Thank-you. Acather96 ( click here to contact me) 20:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Everybody look at this! On the Hebrew Wikipedia, we now have a Thomas & Friends and The Railway Series project under Hamikbatz HaShvu'i. It is set to launch on August 24 this year. Will any of you wanna participate? Lior ( talk) 08:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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Harej ( talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:List of Thomas & Friends railway engines#Oliver Island. TIA Andrewa ( talk) 22:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Talk:List of Railway Series books#Notability and primary sources tags in which I'd like some input. TIA Andrewa ( talk) 05:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I would like to revive this project... anyone else interested? Andrewa ( talk) 20:02, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Would anyone prefer this to the photographs currently in use? Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 14:45, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
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Be aware there indications and mutterings at a couple of ongoing AfD's that articles relating to Thomas are to be deleted. Early results will likely form a basis for future nominations. It may be people are happy for these to go or check key article are robust. Articles affected certainly include Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duck the Great Western Engine and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Thomas & Friends railway engines. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 04:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Pinging active members as alert system did not run yesterday as you may not be aware:
It is becoming pragmatically apparent most Thomas related articles will be deleted and it is important to concentrate on the between one and a handful that might remain. Please list any suggestions for retention, or even new articles, below (please note I intend to use account Bigdelboy ( talk · contribs) rather than my usual Djm-leighpark ( talk · contribs) so I can leverage some automation over mass articles ... I may for instance use it to bundle remaining Thomas articles for deletion in one go ... I am certainly minded to do so. Thankyou. Bigdelboy ( talk)
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It seems that this project is barely active and that of the articles we curated the vast majority are being junked. Is there any point in having this Wiki Project anymore? Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 12:16, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
I have illustrated coats of arms for entities in the franchise. Sadly, there isn't really a place here for most of them to be used since the proverbial Beeching axe was taken to us last year. Perhaps they could be used on the fan wiki, but I can't be bothered to set up a Fandom account just for that purpose. If there's anyone reading this who already has an account (or knows someone else who is active on that site), perhaps you could pass these along?
For more details, see here: [5]
Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 17:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I feel like this might be a good idea. As Thomas has a massive legacy to it and most of the characters are well known. Thomasfan1000 ( talk) 19:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
If Big World! Big Adventures! The Movie gets an article (I think it is more notable than Blue Mountain Mystery) I found some sources which would be good:
The Gaurdian also did a review ( https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/18/thomas-friends-big-world-big-adventures-the-movie-review-peter-andre), but it is very biased and wouldn't work as a source.
So it may just be enough to get an article, but one would take some time to write. RanDom 404 ( talk) 01:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I still don't get why Blue Mountain Mystery still doesn't have wikipedia page. NintendoTTTEfan2005 ( talk) 03:05, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
At Talk:John Wither Awdry I've tried putting together a family tree of the Awdrys based on what can be found in Burke's Landed Gentry and Fox-Davies's Armorial Families. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 17:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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I've been keeping my eye out for how these are managed elsewhere.
Best one I've found is at WikiProject Trains. This utilises a custom variant of the {{ todo}} box, called {{ todo, trains}}. To see it in action, check out Talk:British Rail.
This box resides at top of a talk page, under the project banner, rather than in a side-bar. This has the benefit that longer sentences may be used!
EdJogg 15:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a current WP-wide push towards the effective elimination of non-free images, especially from pages using multiple images. This has a potentially huge impact on the 'Thomas' pages, considering almost all the pictures are tagged as 'fair use'. So far, only List of Railway Series Books has been de-imaged (see its talk page for important initial discussions), but the bots are roaming about and delete-warning messages concerning screenshot images are already appearing on grouped-character talk pages.
I have posted a lengthy message at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#WikiProject Thomas and use of non-free images asking for formal guidance, as there is a potentially large workload to recover from this situation – too much for one person – and I don't want to waste what limited effort I can spare.
As I see it there are only three likely outcomes:
It is a sad state of affairs, but I think that the first of these is the only really likely outcome, since to retain the existing set of images also requires the application of individual 'fair use rationales' to all of the images – and there's a lot of them.
Views on the sensible way forward are welcomed.
Regards -- EdJogg 12:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Update: This new policy has caused major waves – and not a little ill-feeling – within the WP community. You don't have to look far to find editors requesting reviews of the policy, guidance on what is allowed, how to write fair-use rationales, requests for leniency with delete timescales, etc, etc. Some of the discussions (including at the link above) are extremely heated, and they are going on in parallel in several places. It will take a while for the dust to settle, but, whatever the final decisions, there is a lot of work ahead for WP:THOMAS members.
The one thing we can say for certain is that there has been an effective paradigm-shift on the use of non-free images within WP. In future, screen-shots and book-cover scans need to meet WP:FUC and be covered by a 'Fair Use Rationale' (FUR). (To be fair, this has always been the case, it's just that it was not enforced in the past.) The FUR provides information to describe the image and its source, plus our reasoning (for each location it is used) why it is necessary to use a non-free image. This is mainly required for downstream users, so that they may determine whether their use of the image is legal.
I've had a brief chat with MDCollins, and the following is a start at determining some kind of plan to move the project forward.
EdJogg 17:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
At present I am thinking we will need to have a fairly serious rethink as to how the grouped pages are presented – that, or just accept that they will be clear of images. The following paragraphs list a few of my ideas, in no particular order...
The one thing we can say from this is that the coverage of the Railway Series will be much easier to move forward due to the wealth of 'reliable source' material we have to draw on. But I can see many more problems for the TV Series coverage in the future...
EdJogg 18:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that the five Narrow Gauge engine pages ( Skarloey, Rheneas, Sir Handel, Peter Sam, and Rusty the Diesel) have been left with some thrown together info from The Railway Series. They were left without even one image (minus the Rusty page, which retains a picture of the large-scale model).
Seeing as the pages for Thomas, Gordon, Toby etc. have combined details from the TV series and books, and since these NG characters are just as important (these engines have existed about as long as the Steam Team ones have), I figured that the pages should have more than RWS information. After all, that's the original reason we had them. Otherwise, we could simply merge the pages into the RWS character page.
These are important characters that have survived the test of time, and I think they deserve to share their history with Wikipedia. I propose that the following tasks be re-instated:
I'd be willing to begin the assignment post-haste, and keep the page top-quality. The pages can be prone to vandalism, but I check the pages at least once a day. With that said, I think it's safe to upgrade the pages. Do you?
-- Rusty5 00:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
It was also recently recommended that the NG engine summaries on Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) be split into a separate article called [[Narrow gauge engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends). That way, Bertram, Smudger and Proteus could be transferred there as well, making a page for only that range of characters. -- Rusty5 18:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
We shouldn't make a pointless page on a character like Mighty Mac. After all, he's a brand new character (when I say new, I mean not enough appearances.) So it needs to be a MAJOR character. Keep watch, dudes.-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Earlier this year, when the furore over fair-use images erupted, I added the bulk of the 'Thomas' screenshots to my watchlist. Since then, nothing much has happened...until now.
Someone has spotted that certain 'Thomas' images do not meet WP requirements, and have flagged them as such. Images flagged in this way may be deleted (automatically?) after seven days if no action is taken. WP is quite strict on this, and hence the 'Thomas & Friends' pages may lose all their screenshots if urgent action is not taken very soon.
The following images (at least) have been flagged as having no Fair Use Rationale:
I must stress that this list only includes images that were used on the 'Thomas' pages on some specific day in June. Any which have been added since, or those I haven't seen -- and hence are not on my watchlist -- may also be targetted for deletion.
Project members familiar with (and, dare I say, 'passionate about') the TV Series need to address these issues, in accordance with the appropriate WP policies and guidelines, as a matter of some urgency. (I'm afraid that I cannot help with this task, although I can offer pointers towards official guidance if help is requested.)
Guidance for writing a Fair Use Rationale may be found at Talk:Non-rail vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)#Pictures. Hopefully this will be sufficient to comply with the WP policies, but it may be necessary to add additional information, specific to the character, to ensure that the FUR's are seen to be different and not just duplicated.
Good luck! EdJogg 10:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Well done Fiddle Faddle. S.C.Ruffeyfan--17:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC) 17:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
We have a problem, people. Now S11 is almost over, spammers will start to make up junk and rubbish stuff. All sorts of 'characters' like 'Cosmo the Sonic Engine' and fake info on The Great Discovery like 'The Mountain Engines make an appearance' or 'Thomas's driver's name is Fred Roberts' could appear. So keep your eyes peeled! S.C.Ruffeyfan 14:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
All the screenshot images have now been removed from the combined-character pages. This is exactly as I predicted a few months ago (see WP:THOMAS fair-use image crisis above).
As is explained at User:Durin/Fair use overuse explanation, this deletion is entirely in keeping with WP policies, and is really not worth contesting. Individual character pages, however, may be alright...
The question is, what, if anything, are we going to do about this?
NOTE: The pages, as they were in June 2007, were rescued -- images and all -- to the companion wiki: Train Spotting World, where there is a growing group of enthusiastic editors, er, 'looking after them'. So, in one sense, it does not matter if the pictures are absent from the WP pages.
Thoughts, please?
EdJogg 12:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
OK.-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
We could show links to a picture of a character. It means that I'll need a lot of help. -- S.C.Ruffeyfan 11:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
In my sandbox, someone said Thomas was cancelled in 2002. Is that so?-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Please do not even consider thinking about creating lists of the videos of 'Thomas' episodes that have been released.
Such pages are not appreciated here at WP.
If you don't believe me, follow these links to see what other editors think...
Be warned, I will not hesitate to support the deletion of similar unverifiable lists of Thomas videos and merchandise.
EdJogg 00:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Should I add a template saying the talk page for TGD is within the scope of the project-- S.C.Ruffeyfan 17:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
A large number of pages on the lists of characters seem to be using =H1= styles rather than starting with ==H2==. This is contrary to the advice at Wikipedia:Section#Creation and numbering of sections and Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings etc., and the pattern of use elsewhere in Wikipedia. I have changed a couple, but got tired [1] [2] -- Rumping ( talk) 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello readers of WikiProject Thomas!
I just wondered if any of you would be interested in joining up to Train Spotting World, a wiki just for railways and similar things! We are also in the process of setting up several "Workforces", similar to WikiProjects, and were wondering if anyone wnated to help!
Various wikipedians have goine over there, including myself, User:Tbo 157, User:Slambo, User:EdJogg, User:Timtrent and User:S.C.Ruffeyfan.
If you want more info, or have joined up and want some guidance, let me know here or there on my talk page!
Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluegoblin7 ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
All of the Thomas and Friends season lists are unsourced. This means there is no way for readers to verify the information they contain. It also means that it is very hard to distinguish valid edits from vandalism and erroneous additions. I have tagged all the articles from Thomas and Friends – Season 1 through to Thomas and Friends – Season 12 as unsourced. Could members of the project please start citing proper sources for these. Unsourced information in articles can and will be deleted, so these articles are at risk. Thanks, Gwernol 22:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I recently got into an editing conflict with S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. over a morsel of information in some of the recently-released details of Season 12 episodes. On the subject of the episode "Steady Eddie" (which has only a title and no summary, adding to the confusion), some parties are debating that "Eddie" is the name of a new character and not just a variation of "Edward". S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. took the viewpoint that we should consider the title an indication of a new character until we have information saying otherwise, while I argue that we should wait to post anything until we have definite information. We decided to take it up with more experienced editors who are more in tune with Wikipedia's guidelines. Starkiller ( talk) 16:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
As you'll notice, I have suggesested merges for the character articles (Except the Main 10). My reason? They lack sources, and are rather un-needed. If we can provide information to make good, cited articles, that's great, but, untill then, we should merge all the character articles into 1, titled "List of Characters in Thomas & Friends". It can have all the characters, so long as we cite them. I'll be more than happy to help. I hope that you all agree, and that we can get this work completed soon. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 01:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
As for the characters, look at one you cited yourself – Terrence – you have a brief character description and then a bunch of lists. I don't see much that makes it distinct enough to have its own article. Even Duck isn't that expansive – you could redistribute the TV/RS info into their respective articles and not lose much. Harold and Emily are similar, while Trevor, Donald and Douglas are strangely articulate, but still fairly short for distinct articles.
I don't think we're just arbitrarily trying upset the establishment by rearranging things – we're throwing around ideas to condense the information and make the articles look more presentable to the public. Starkiller ( talk) 16:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 20:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
However, I will demonstrate what I have in store in that sandbox template (Be aware, I won't be sourcing things) ,and I think that once I finish, they could improve the articles, if you guys think it won't, no big deal, I'll scrap the idea and we'll all move on. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 01:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I was also thinking recently that maybe all the separate Season articles should be merged into one "Episodes" article – since the Season articles have been basically reduced to summaries now, and don't take up much space, I think they could be reasonably condensed into one article (one like this). Starkiller ( talk) 14:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Season | Original Release | Episodes | |||||
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Series 1 | 1984 | 26 | |||||
Series 2 | 1986 | 26 | |||||
Series 3 | 1991–92 | 26 | |||||
Series 4 | 1994–95 | 26 | |||||
Series 5 | 1998 | 26 | |||||
Thomas and the Magic Railroad | 2000 | - | |||||
Series 6 | 2002 | 26 | |||||
Series 7 | 2003 | 26 | |||||
Series 8 | 2004 | 26 | |||||
Calling All Engines | 2005 | - | |||||
Series 9 | 2005 | 26 | |||||
Series 10 | 2006 | 28 | |||||
On Site with Thomas | 2006 | 13 | |||||
Series 11 | 2007 | 20 | |||||
Engines and Escapades | 2007 | 6 | |||||
The Great Discovery | 2008 | - | |||||
Series 12 | 2008 | 20 | |||||
Ah. The interviews would have been good sources for production info. I guess the episodes could do as a single article, although with the rate HIT's producing the show it could get very large very fast. Starkiller ( talk) 00:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Does this project have a userbox? If not, I will happily provide one. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 01:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
File:Thomas the Tank Engine Rug (Cropped).jpg | This user is a member of
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I tried using colors matching the main cast, but, the hex triplet has been de-activated on me... -.- Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 20:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Thomas participants... WikiProject Media franchises needs some help from other projects which are similar. Media franchises' scope deals primarily with the coordination of articles within the hundreds if not thousands of media franchises which exist. Sometimes a franchise might just need color coordination of the various templates used; it could mean creating an article for the franchise as a jump off point for the children of it; or the creation of a new templating system for media franchise articles. The project primarily focuses on multimedia franchises. It would be great if some of this project's participants would come over and help the project get back on solid footing. Also, if you know of similar projects which have not received this, let Lady Aleena ( talk · contribs) know. Please come and take a look at the project and see if you wish to lend a hand. You can sign up here if you wish. Thank you. LA @ 21:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Thomas participants... WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA ( T) @ 23:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just completed a merge of Minor characters from Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends to the Visiting Engines section of Railway engines (Thomas and Friends). However, there are a large number of now-double redirects athat need to be fixed. To complicate the matter, they should not all aim to the one place, instead they should be spread amongst the various character lists to point at the relevant information. I've done the ones I know and can easily track down, but the rest can be identified at [3] -- saberwyn 00:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Following on from the other merge proposals on this page, I was wondering whether it might be appropriate to break-up the {{ Thomas}} navi-template? I'm not convinced this change is actually needed; however, there is an argument for simplifying the template, and the obvious way is to split it along TV series/books lines. To achieve this we would need FOUR templates:
Now this is an awful lot of work for very little gain (remembering that all the articles that use the templates will also need changing!) but if there is an overwhelming need for a change, then this is what I would suggest is appropriate.
EdJogg ( talk) 11:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Another point to make for the existence of dual-character pages was the amount of young editors who would attack the characters from an unbalanced TV series perspective, (some not realising that there were even books) so that they all looked like they were created for/by TV and not based on printed (easily sourceable?) material, i.e. the RS. If well-written articles are what you aim for, why not start by referencing some of the material on the 10 major engines.– MDCollins ( talk) 00:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I think I'm going to largely agree with EdJogg's suggestions here. I agree that the lack of references is a problem, and I'm ashamed to admit that it's one of those things I keep meaning to do something about.
I don't think we really need to merge any more – at the absolute minimum, there's a justification for keeping engines 1-7 (because this is a huge, worldwide, 60-year-old franchise of which these characters consistently form the nucleus) and the Fat Controller (ditto, plus his major pop culture impact outside the serieseses)
Overlapping is a slight worry – perhaps the articles should be reconfigured to:
I say most of the trivia and technical detail could be scrapped entirely. Maybe I'm being a bit too blunt here, but I don't really think it matters if a character has a slightly different running plate in series 9 or they've crashed four times or in one episode they have the wrong whistle sound. HonestTom ( talk) 22:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Since the previous discussions I have heavily modified the template, having discovered that I could. It is now sub-divided into groups internally, each of which may be hidden. Hence much of the previous discussion is now redundant.
EdJogg ( talk) 02:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arlesdale Railway
Basically it covers the various individual railway articles and the individual locations (Dryaw, etc)
Has been raised by someone with an axe to grind (?) and few edits to his name thus far.
Urgent assistance would be appreciated!
EdJogg ( talk) 02:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello fellow Thomas the Tank Engine WikiProject members!
I would like to post this as a formal invitation to the users here to join my new forum, which can be found at this link:
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There are many different discussions and room for plenty more, just follow the rules and have fun.
Several users here have already decided to join and I hope more will. Check it out and enjoy!!!
ZEM (Hankengine) ( talk) 02:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Just noticed on the Season 12 page that (apparently) Pierce Brosnan is NOT going to be narrating seasons 12-14 after all.
Cheers EdJogg ( talk) 17:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
If someone wants a little something to do (!?), it looks like the episode listing for "Tram Trouble" (between "James Works It Out" and "Don't Go Back"?) went missing on 30 Sept, and hasn't been seen since! Next TV showing appears to be on Fiver this coming weekend (Sat 8 Nov). Kwerty ( talk) 20:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone has (re)created Thomas and Friends – Season 13.
At present it is not categorised, nor identified as a project page, but more to the point, there are no references for the information.
What is the current status of Pierce Brosnan, etc?
EdJogg ( talk) 10:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Recently, new pages were created for Oliver the western engine and Duke (Thomas the Tank engine). Another editor (not me) proposed them both for deletion (PROD) on the basis that it was "...against WP:THOMAS/FAQ#Guidelines for character descriptions". Despite this reason, the PROD was turned down because "...with articles on all other Thomas the Tank Engine engines and characters, there is a good chance someone will want to keep this".
Now, both pages are essentially copies of articles at the Thomas & Friends wiki at Wikia ( Oliver and Duke), and there is no real textual content within the pages at Wikipedia as they stand that is not already present on the various grouped character pages.
So, what do we do now? Oliver and Duke are both 'borderline minor' characters: both have their own books in the Railway Series, but don't appear much beyond them, and neither appear very much in the TV series. On this basis they have previously been considered 'minor'. On the other hand, Duke turns up in at least four pages (Railway Series – Minor, TTE&F – Narrow Gauge, Skarloey Railway, Mid Sodor Railway) so there is some justification in pointing all of these to a single main article.
Regardless, Oliver the western engine is an incorrect page name and needs to be converted to a redirect. The question is, should the current redirect ( Oliver the Western Engine) be made into a character page or not. And as for Duke, he is only a very minor character in the TV Series, so surely his character page (if created) should be Duke the Lost Engine (rather than the new Duke (Thomas the Tank engine))?
Thoughts, anyone?
EdJogg ( talk) 15:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Finally bothered to do it. Oliver the western engine was redirected to new page Oliver (Thomas and Friends character) in the meantime (about the fourth such redirect!)
Since the official RWS titles ( Oliver the Western Engine and Duke the Lost Engine) already redirect to the RWS 'Major' and 'Minor' character pages, respectively, the new redirects (which mention T&F in the name) have been redirected to the 'Railway engines' and 'Narrow Gauge engines' character pages for Thomas & Friends instead.
EdJogg ( talk) 13:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
These are hard to come by. As mentioned previously, "The Thomas the Tank Engine Man" book includes refs to the first four series, although I don't think this has been quoted on WP yet.
At last, HIT have provided links to the characters on their website. For example http://www.thomasandfriends.com/uk/fergus.asp describes Fergus (and also provides access to the other characters in the "Engine Depot"). I think we should include links to all of these as references from the appropriate character descriptions. However, do watch out for inconsistencies: Duke is described as the oldest engine, whereas Skarloey and Rheneas are both older (although, of course, the TV Series never did pay much attention to the characters' real history!)
Interestingly, the US and UK sub-sites have different pages -- for example, the "Oliver" page lists 'brake van' in the UK and 'break van' in the US. (I think the US page must be a typo, surely? The Americans don't really refer to brakes as 'breaks' do they??) Surprisingly there is no page for Boco, Duck, Trevor or Terence. Nevertheless its a worthwhile addition to the pages.
Anyone care to take this on as a task?
EdJogg ( talk) 11:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
PS – correction, there IS a page for Duck, but it is not included in the scrollable list!! - worth checking for other characters, although Boco/Trevor/Terence are still not there. (Worth an email to the HIT webmaster, anyone?) EJ
Hey hows it going. I'm SteelersFan_UK06, one of the editors on the front line of WP:TUGS, and i wanted to say a few things. You would think that two projects which are so closely linked would have more .... communication, but oh well. Anyways!
Firstly, I recently created Clearwater Periscope lens system, the television camera used on both TUGS and, from what sources say, the early series' of Thomas. I thought I should alert you lot of this, in case you wish to integrate it into your articles, and possibly – more importantly – expand upon it! As you can see with it only being a few lines, it does need a bit of work, yet it is still notable. According to a press pack released by the makers of TUGS, there were only two cameras ever made (Which suggests one for Thomas and one for TUGS, unless they filmed at different times) which makes them pretty unique. The only information i have on them is from a couple of websites used as references on the page just now, but any more information which could be added would be amazing.
Secondly, i was looking through the history of this talk page to try and find out the history of WP:TUGS (i figured it must have started here) and all i could find was Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thomas/Archive 2#TUGS project. As far as i know, Driveus (the creator) seemed to leave on a bad note (unfortunately here and here...), seemed to not handle things very well ( ahem...) as well as having a few ownership issues, which I think personally wouldn't have been the way i would have went about things. As I looked through your archives i could see that Gonzo, MDCollins, and Ed (Amongst others not forgotten!) were all making very significant improvements to the Thomas articles in a very encyclopediac (sic methinks) manner, work which i could only dream of taking place over at TUGS. You deserve a lot of thanks, which i give from myself and those at our project. And sorry about him.
And lastly, since about early to mid-2007, our TUGS WikiProject seems to have been deserted somewhat, with a number of its editors dissapearing to other waters (Driveus in particular). All i'm going to say is that anyone here who feels they could contribute in any way to our project, they would be more than welcome to join the club. I'm sure a lot of your editors would probably know quite a lot about TUGS, as they started around the same time.
Thanks again guys, and keep up the good work. -- SteelersFanUK06 ReplyOnMine! 22:32, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
In reference to the suggestion on the Island of Sodor page that Sodor doesn't appear to be connected to the mainland in the television series, here are some considerations to make, although it is never specifically mentioned.
When Toby arrives on the Island of Sodor, he and Henrietta appear to travel by the mainline to meet with the Fat Controller at Tidmouth.
In season 1, in the episode 'Dirty Objects', James is performing a shunt at Knapford Junction (Elsbridge in the television series). Beside him on the siding, an open wagon can be seen with the "L M S" lettering, suggesting it has strayed from the London Midland Scottish railway. If Sodor was not connected to the mainland, it would be unlikely for trucks to be shipped to Sodor, which belonged to another railway.
When Henry is returning from Crewe, he does so along the mainline and under his own power, suggesting he has travelled home from Crewe via rail and not via ship. Should he have been transferred by ship, he'd have been collected by another engine and returned to The Yard.
The Fat Controller controls all the engines on Sodor (mentioned in season 1). If he had known of Oliver as a viable locomotive to restore for use, he would have done so. Oliver would not have been transferred to Sodor by ship if he was intended for scrap. He must have travelled with Toad by rail before running out of coal.
When numerous diesel electrics arrive (or depart), they do so by rail. If they have come to work on the Fat Controller's railway (or are leaving) the must travel to beyond its limits, in this case, back to the mainland. When they depart, the do so by rail.
Although there is no definitive point that suggests it is connected to the mainland, I can't see how the article can suggest that it isn't with the above in consideration.
Toxation ( talk) 15:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
This is loooooong overdue.
Project participants may be interested to know that I have finally got round to creating a standard user box:
This user is a member of WikiProject THOMAS |
Feel free to use this in place of the existing wide box, or to start using it if you haven't already done so.
The choice of text background colour is arbitrary, but seems OK to me. "NWR blue" is usually darker, but using something like it causes readibilty problems by reducing the contrast vs the text colour. The choice of picture is simple: any photo used must not be 'non-free use', which pretty much excludes ALL photos/graphics of Thomas etc. This photo of "Duck" is not really a photo of "Duck", right? It is a GWR Pannier tank loco wearing a face mask, and the resemblance to "Duck" is purely co-incidental... (You do understand, don't you....? It's really not "Duck", OK?)
EdJogg ( talk) 13:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
For anyone who knew me here, I'm not going to be editing with this project much for a while as I'm seriously busy with projects on Wikia. ZEM talk to me! 13:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, all. I've been swooping through the TV articles lately, trying to see what I could clean up, and I eventually came to the "Film Characters". Well lately I've been wondering if the distinction between the TV series and the movies exists, or if it's more of something that the fans invented. One of the big arguments for the separation was that events in the movies/specials had no impact on the show, but that line's starting to blur.
One point to get out of the way: continuity in the TV series has always been shaky at best. Character development in Calling All Engines may not have carried over completely, but the sets have appeared since (the airport and the sheds). Great Discovery set up the following season with Stanley and Waterton. At the least, the "Calling All Engines," "Great Discovery," and "Hero of the Rails" sections don't add anything that isn't covered in other articles.
The only problem I can see in merging is the Shining Time characters creating crossover issues. But I'd like to open this point up for debate now. Starkiller ( talk) 18:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, Victor at the Steam works is missing. He is mentioned in the articles but he is NOT LISTED in the cast of characters. It's like he was dumped into the sea and forgotten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.94.65.64 ( talk) 15:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Since the show is (or at least was, at the beginning) primarily a British production, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use the term "Series" in place of "Season?" I noticed a discrepancy on the Thomas and Friends page, which uses both. I think in part since pages in this project insist on using Commonwealth spelling and terms, "Series" would be more appropriate. Starkiller ( talk) 17:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
In my browsing of the Thomas episodes I've noticed
Kwerty ( talk) 02:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Try something like this:
# | Total | Title | Writer(s) | Original airdate | TV order | |
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1 | 209 | "Percy & the Oil Painting" | Abi Grant | 4 September, 2005 | 201a | |
Percy shows an artist around Sodor to inspire his next painting, "The Spirit of Sodor", but the artist doesn't think any of Percy's places are special. | ||||||
2 | 210 | "Thomas & the Rainbow" | Abi Grant | 4 September, 2005 | 201b | |
Edward tells Thomas about the rainbow he just saw, and he spends his trip trying to find the end of the rainbow to see what's magical there. But he also ignores what he should be doing. | ||||||
3 | 211 | "etc" | etc | etc | etc | |
etc |
Starkiller ( talk) 22:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
There is discussion on how best to use cover art to "significantly improve reader understanding" for book series, without going overboard on non-free content images, both at WT:NFC#Requesting comment about galleries of book covers for book series articles and at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 July 23, where a very large number of book covers has been nominated for deletion.
Please do pass this on to relevant other WikiProjects whose members may be interested. Jheald ( talk) 23:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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Ikip 02:23, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
What do you know? Thomas has two articles for videos, both listed as the "main" article on the Thomas and Friends page. Now let's forget that the original videos article was deleted a few years ago, is there anything worth salvaging on THESE pages? At most, it's pretty much the "Series" articles, but in a different order and WITHOUT the summaries. All anyone has to do is go to Amazon or some other site to find out which episodes are on which videos, I don't see the point of devoting an article here to a list of them, let alone two. And if these articles ARE to be saved, they're going to need a major overhaul. They're full of bad grammar and poor formatting. Starkiller ( talk) 16:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
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Could someone review and correct the character links on the season pages please? In particular, Thomas and Friends – Series 4 and Thomas and Friends – Series 5 both have vast numbers of incorrect links, pointing to generic name pages rather than the TV Series characters. There are poor links on some of the other season pages too, with incorrect 'Henrietta' and 'Stanley' links both seen.
Thanks. -- EdJogg ( talk) 13:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I've created a barnstar for this project, to reward those who have made excellent contributions to Thomas-related articles.
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-- Gyrobo ( talk) 20:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads up that on BBC Breakfast today Christopher Awdry all but confirmed book 42 would be released in 2011 to commemorate the 65th anniversary of WVA's birth (June 2011). He also implied that "he was to be discussing this later on" [presumably with the publishers...?]. Obviously we should add the information into articles until we have concrete reliable sources.
We'll need to keep an eye on the IP merchants. — User:MDCollins ( talk) 07:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi – sorry for not picking up this reply earlier. You're probably right on all counts above (100th anniversary/this year being 65th of TRS). To be honest I thought that I knew about the new book previously, but couldn't find it mentioned here – must have been wrong! Not sure there is a BBC ref as it wasn't a text article. And yes, I should find some more time to do some editing. The big drive on Toby was great seeing how much we can get done in a few days; since then, I've done pretty much zilch :-( — User:MDCollins ( talk) 20:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Since Thomas and friends airs on PBSKIDS in th US> I Included it in the PBSKIDS project. So all Thomas pages will need the PBSKIDS project tempeltes as well. If you are not a member of the PBSKIDS project please join. Thanks
Checker Fred ( talk) 18:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
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EdJogg ( talk) 13:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Just seen these two edits to the Minor characters in The Railway Series article. They add fairly superficial information regarding original book characters being illustrated in My Thomas Story Library publications.
Is this something we want to actively discourage? These books blur the boundaries between the original books and the TV series and including such references could make it difficult to maintain the clear separation between the characters.
Anyone know what the SIF view is of this book series? Is it considered an off-shoot of the TV Series?
EdJogg ( talk) 08:57, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
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Copied from User talk:Penrithguy -- EdJogg ( talk) 14:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The article Tidmouth is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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I found:
It talks about imperialistic views in the Railway series WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
@ EdJogg: @ Penrithguy: @ Redrose64: Hi all – not sure how many watch this page, but hopefully their are some – I'm pinging all project members listed as active, which isn't many (though incidentally, that list needs to be updated, one of many jobs!). Whilst I know it's a long way off, I've decided that this year I'd like to at least try and get Thomas & Friends to GA status, or at least significantly improve it. It's of course top importance for us, high importance to WikiProject Television, WikiProject British TV and WikiProject Trains, mid-importance on WikiProject Animation / Computer and even part of WikiProject Beatles; the page currently gets 32,000 views a month and is in a pretty shabby stage for a pretty important article. This will be my first 'big' project, so I'll need all the help I can get! So, some questions:
Thanks in advance for help and support, I'd be really interested to see if this project can be revived a bit :) Acather96 ( click here to contact me) 12:43, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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Everybody look at this! On the Hebrew Wikipedia, we now have a Thomas & Friends and The Railway Series project under Hamikbatz HaShvu'i. It is set to launch on August 24 this year. Will any of you wanna participate? Lior ( talk) 08:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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Harej ( talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:List of Thomas & Friends railway engines#Oliver Island. TIA Andrewa ( talk) 22:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Talk:List of Railway Series books#Notability and primary sources tags in which I'd like some input. TIA Andrewa ( talk) 05:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I would like to revive this project... anyone else interested? Andrewa ( talk) 20:02, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Would anyone prefer this to the photographs currently in use? Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 14:45, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
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Be aware there indications and mutterings at a couple of ongoing AfD's that articles relating to Thomas are to be deleted. Early results will likely form a basis for future nominations. It may be people are happy for these to go or check key article are robust. Articles affected certainly include Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duck the Great Western Engine and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Thomas & Friends railway engines. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 04:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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It seems that this project is barely active and that of the articles we curated the vast majority are being junked. Is there any point in having this Wiki Project anymore? Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 12:16, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
I have illustrated coats of arms for entities in the franchise. Sadly, there isn't really a place here for most of them to be used since the proverbial Beeching axe was taken to us last year. Perhaps they could be used on the fan wiki, but I can't be bothered to set up a Fandom account just for that purpose. If there's anyone reading this who already has an account (or knows someone else who is active on that site), perhaps you could pass these along?
For more details, see here: [5]
Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 17:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I feel like this might be a good idea. As Thomas has a massive legacy to it and most of the characters are well known. Thomasfan1000 ( talk) 19:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
If Big World! Big Adventures! The Movie gets an article (I think it is more notable than Blue Mountain Mystery) I found some sources which would be good:
The Gaurdian also did a review ( https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/18/thomas-friends-big-world-big-adventures-the-movie-review-peter-andre), but it is very biased and wouldn't work as a source.
So it may just be enough to get an article, but one would take some time to write. RanDom 404 ( talk) 01:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I still don't get why Blue Mountain Mystery still doesn't have wikipedia page. NintendoTTTEfan2005 ( talk) 03:05, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
At Talk:John Wither Awdry I've tried putting together a family tree of the Awdrys based on what can be found in Burke's Landed Gentry and Fox-Davies's Armorial Families. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 17:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)