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I've put in an article request for a list of Simpsons characters by Alma Mater. I figure, there are easily enough characters in the series with affilations to real colleges and universities that such an article could be whipped up. E.G. Burns at Yale, Sideshow Mel at Cornell, Edna Krababble (sp?) at Bryn Mawr etc... Or a general Education in The Simpsons article that includes the fake universities, plus Springfield elementry and others -- Xtreambar 04:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Here's an interesting page I found on The Simpsons Archive -- a list of Ivy League references in The Simpson http://www.snpp.com/guides/ivy.html . -- Xtreambar 22:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I think I could do a lot. Trosk 04:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I just finished the article, so please take a look and add stuff. It needs a LOT of work, but it has a decent start so any help is greatly appreciated. -- Scorpion0422 23:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Are they allowed on individual episode pages? Someone keeps deleting them from the episode pages and I'm not sure if they should be deleted. -- The Dark Side 01:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I thought the general theme was 'move all quotes to WikiQuote'? -- Mortice 18:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Presumably the link to the season page on WikiQuote could link to the episode's section? Though I see there's currently only one page on WikiQuote for the whole of The Simpsons. Ah, after examination, that one page is just transclusions of season pages - cunning...
Do you think someone could either write up notes on the 'preferred format' for moving quotes to WikiQuote and updating the episode page with the link, or just choose a 'reference episode' from which other episodes can follow the format. Ideally all episode pages updated should be done in exactly the same way, so notes or a reference article would assist with that -- Mortice 22:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through our stats and its kind of embarassing that we only have 1 featured article (which is a list, and thus easier to become featured) and 1 good artcle. Other projects (such as Project Nintendo) have a dozen of each. I think we, as a project, need to pull together and try to edit articles and get all of our Top priority articles up to GA or even better, FA status. I'm assuming that apart from the 2 GA/FA articles, the 5 Simpson family members are Top priority and thus we should focus on them. Perhaps we should do Homer first. So, what does everyone think? Should we pull together and get the Simpson family and othet Top importance articles upgraded. And what are all 10 of the Top priority articles? -- Scorpion0422 07:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
We should move through the pages of importance, everyone editing them to get them better. It would help if there is an order to it, and one that is easy to remember e.g.
And more. Feel free to edit this post to add/remove/rearrange pages at will.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 16:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll make a subpage with the to do for the Featured Articles.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 20:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
WIkipedia talk:WIkiProject The Simpsons/Featured Article drive
Is it time to archive this page yet? Seems long to me... Natalie 19:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been assessing the importance of SImpsons articles, and the staff has been tough, but here's what I've done. Opinions needed.
NOTE - The ones in italics are the ones I'm not sure about...
The issue:
-- Scorpion0422 00:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through and I noticed that there is a List of writers of The Simpsons, but no list of directors. I was wondering if anyone thinks that there is a pressing need for one. -- Scorpion0422 05:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to add some templates to the pages of all the episodes (so far) in Season 18. These will have no visible effect, but are used by the bot ListGenBot to read data from the pages and compile lists.
This bot is currently approved for testing, so I am only proposing changing Season 18. The bot will generate pages containing the data on the episode pages, ordered by section or alphabetically - see User:ListGenBot/Details for full details.
I'm aware that many of the data items on these pages already have list pages, but I propose generating independent list pages from the bot and evaluate the worth of adding some of those lists (dynamically updated) to other pages.
My proposal is to make invisible updates to the Season 18 episode pages but the bot will only read these pages, it will make no updates, so there is no risk of corrupting existing episode data. I'll add the templates with HTML comments to explain their use.
I'll create list pages that the bot will maintain (probably as subpages of this page) until their worth is evaluated and there's a consensus to integrate them into other pages. If there is that consensus, I'll add the templates to all the other episode pages.
Please let me know if anyone has concern or wants clarification with this exercise -- Mortice 18:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I've experimentally edited the first 5 (so far) pages of Season 18 to add invisible bot tags (templates delimiting interesting data), and the lists generated can be seen on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Example generated lists.
This page is currently a mess because it's an accumulation of every list that could be generated from the data on the episode pages, but if you pick thorugh it, there's some interesting things that could be used on other pages, such as list of directors or blocks of trivia grouped by page. All these lists can be generated per-season or across all seasons (same thing so far since only 5 episodes of one season have had the bot tags added).
Once the bot is running properly, newly created episode pages will be automatically added to all these lists within a few mins of creating the episode page (not yet because bot's in test).
You should find no visible change to the episode pages and you may find some use from the stuff on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Example generated lists - let me know what you think -- Mortice 23:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
For your interest, I've written up instructions on the edits that are required at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages but you'd better not do too much yet since the bot isn't approved so won't update the list pages yet, but I'd appreciate any comments on those notes. You can claim interest in handling a season too, if you like. Don't be put off by the length of the instructions, it's quite straightforward really :) -- Mortice 22:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I might as well just do a few right now before i can't be bothered. I put my name on seasons 1 and 2, so i'll start that.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 17:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I've done the infobox for every episode up to The Call of the Simpsons, but i need to do homework now.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 18:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
ListGenBot is now Approved! So it's running 'continuously' and you should find once you update an episode, the lists on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Example generated lists should update within a few minutes. We could also generate lists similar to the ones on that page but just for info about a single season, if anyone wants one -- Mortice 20:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
If anyone's editing a season, they can check the updates just to that season by clicking on the link next to the season at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages -- Mortice 21:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I had this idea yesterday, for a list of all stereotypes in the Simpsons that are seen at one point or another. So there could be important to minor characters such as Groundskeeper Willie and Cletus under characters, and one time group things such as the school uniforms in Team Homer. I think this would be a decent article, if worked on. Does anyone else support?-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 18:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The episode capsule The Cartridge Family contains this trivia: "As of this episode, everyone with the surname "Simpson", has fired a gun." No one reads discussions on the capsule pages, so I'm asking this here: when? I don't think Bart shot a gun until Bart the Mother (season 10), and I don't think Lisa or Mona have ever shot a gun. Natalie 02:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Since I got an answer here, I'll ask another question. Ned's mother keeps being named Mona on List of characters from The Simpsons. I don't remember her ever being given a name, and our own page on Ned says his parents have never been named. Does anyone else remember his mom being named? Natalie 01:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Ned: Gee Homer, it's only because my parents where so hard on me.
Flashback
Ned: Whoopsidoodle
Dad: Oh man! Ned spilt ink all over my poems! He's putting us on the train to squaresville Mona.
It may have been another episode, but that's pretty much the quote. Gran2 07:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
That is definitely the right episode and quote. There may be another one somewhere though. Davie4264 16:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
There's a project afoot to make some (invisible) updates to episode pages which will assist in generating lists of information for other pages, using ListGenBot.
If you would like to help out, there's details of what to do at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages, and a table there where you can claim interest in editing a particular season. Thanks -- Mortice 21:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been making some changes to the Season 2 page and I think it will be ready for a run at Featured List. My only concern is that it may not be considered notable enough. Anyway, take a look at the page and make any changes you deem necessary. -- Scorpion0422 21:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The above proposal is super long, so I'm branching this off. I think we should add show runners to the info gathered by the bot. I've been listening to some of the DVD commentary recently, and the show runners are the same as the executive producers, and seem pretty important. They are also in the infobox (above writers), so I figure they should be listed too. Natalie 00:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
While people are doing the more detailed-work on Homer, I'd like to start trimming the cruft-tastic lists on the other character pages: Marge, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, Ned, etc. If people know of other characters that are in bad shape, let me know. Natalie 18:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The episode capsules are de-volving again (I've been adding the ListGenBot stuff, so I've been reading them). When I'm done with my other ListGenBot season, I'd like to revamp some of the capsules again: remove goofs, work some of the trivia and cultural references into the synopsis, simpler consistency stuff. Two things I was thinking about that may be more controversial: putting more information about the actual episode production (to avoid excessive in-universe-ness), and completely removing song lyriccs. I seem to remember from a previous discussion that these are of questionable copyright status and, to me at least, they seem excessive.
As far as putting more information about the episode production, I have seasons 4-8 on DVD, which of course have commentary that often discusses the production. I'm not sure where else to find that info, snpp, maybe. If someone has seasons 1-3 and would like to put that info in, that'd be great. And season 9 will be out soon (next week I think), so I can put that info in. Comments and suggestions would be appreciated. Natalie 18:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
What I would like help with is adding more production info and trimming down the quotes. A couple of quotes (especially one-liners) seem fine, but some of them are getting to the point that they are recapping the whole episode. Natalie 20:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
So go here if you feel that it meets criteria. -- Scorpion0422 19:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
A while ago, there was a bit of a dustup at the Mike Scully article, wherein I was in favor of including mention of the distaste many fans seem to display for him, and another editor did not want any such mention. Eventually, there was a back-and-forth, and the other editor, who is also an administrator, protected the article. I left it alone with the hope that someone else would weigh in on the talk page, but nothing has happened. I'm not sure if I'm right or wrong here, but I figure that you guys here at the project should have a chance to weigh in. Croctotheface 10:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, thanks to all who are joining in with the ListGenBot tag updates to episodes.
In order to avoid clogging up this page with updates abou this, I've started a 'Discussion' section at the bottom of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages -if you're taking part then please watch the page for updates (if you're not already).
Recent update involves adding a new tag for the 'Runners' listed on some episode pages - see that page for details -- Mortice 23:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Should the images used in this project, such as [[Image:Bart Simpson.png]], have image fair use rationale added?
I assume the pictures are useable because they're for illustration, but the 'copright' template added to the pic does say a fair use rationale should also be added. More info at Help:Image_page#Fair_use_rationale.
This came up because over on Hank Azaria someone removed the pics of the Simpsons characters that Hank voices, and I figure the pic use justification there is the same as it is here.
So do we need to update the pics pages (anyone recommend boilerplate text to be copied in?) or is it not needed (if so why not) or should we remove all the Simpsons pics (shame!) -- Mortice 09:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Of the four considerations taken into account, Three of them (purpose, market effect, and Nature of the work) support the finding that use of these images on Wikipedia as fair use. The other consideration (amount and substantiality) is of little consequence in this analysis. Thus, the four statutory considerations support a finding this is fair use. Further, the underlying policy considerations of the Copyright Clause and copyright law both support a finding that use of these images on Wikipedia is fair use. Based on these factors, use of these images on Wikipedia is fair use ' takethemud 10:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Many of the Simpsons articles have miscellaneous facts and trivia sections. I noticed on the Homer page, a trivia section was removed when the page was edited to bring it up to date and make it a "Good Article." This is good because it streamlined the Homer article and made it "more encyclopediac." But, in the process, Wikipedia lost information about Homer that could have been included on another page dedicated solely to listing miscellaneous facts about him (his email address, social security number, etc.) The main Homer article could have linked to this List page. This would have preserved the information about Homer that had been included on his page and it would have also allowed the article to be revised.
If you look at the Mr. Burns page, you'll see there are long lists on that page: (1) References to his old age; (2) Organizations he belongs to; (3) References to his health; (4) References to his state of mind; (5) Real Life & Fictional Models for his character; (6) List of Episodes starring Mr. Burns. This says nothing of the hodgepodge of miscellaneous facts in the biography section of his article (social security number, telephone number, his vulture collection, etc.)
Clearly, the article is unwieldy and needs to be edited. But in the process of editing it, I think it'd be a mistake to delete this information in an effort to "streamline" the article or to make the entry "more encyclopediac."
Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said: "It would be dangerous for persons trained only to the law to constitute themselves final judges of the worth of illustrations, outside of the narrowest and most obvious limits. . . If they command the interest of any public, they have value and the taste of any public is not to be greeted with contempt." (paraphrased)
Much as Mr Holmes urged the judiciary to act with restraint when judging the value of artistic works, Wikipedia editors should also act with restraint when judging whether something should be excluded from Wikipedia's pages. If something is included on Wikipedia, it's safe to say that at least one person finds something notable enough to be included. And if one person finds it notable enough to add it to Wikipedia, how many more readers who go uncounted find that same bit of knowledge to be interesting and worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia? I dare say that many do. And if many find something worthy of inclusion, why should it be excluded from Wikipedia because others disagree? By deleting information some deem to be irrelevant, we are taking information away from those who believe it to be relevant.
Outside of the "narrowest and obviously limits" of relevance (vandalism, falsities, and the like) would it not be wise to opt to include information about Mr. Burns and the other Simpson characters in Wikipedia and not destroy its content? Is it not preferable to organize seemingly erroneous information (through redirects, new articles, lists, etc.) and give it a rightful place among the other articles of Wikipedia, rather than to delete it and deprive the world of the benefit of having the information at its disposal?
I do think so, and that is why I am in favor of creating lists about Simspsons character like Mr. Burns, where all of the information contained in those lists could be included? Then, the main article could be whittled down, links to the list page(s) included in the article, and then no information would be lost in the process. takethemud 10:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)takethemud
I think we definitely need trivia and cultural references on episode pages, opposing the thing somehwere about merging it into the synopsis. People looking for random trivia don't want to trawl through lots of text to find what they're looking for.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 16:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that integration of trivia sections into the articles is preferable and it should be our first choice. But, some things may be incapable of integration and would be destined to be the "unorganized facts" in the trivia sections that you referred to. We should recognize this as a truism. So the question becomes, what do we do with the leftover unorganized facts that couldn't be integrated into the article? By making a list page of these unorganized facts that really can't be worked in to the article, we'll improve the articles (by not having an trivia section), while at the same time, preserving all of the content elsewhere on Wikipedia, in an list-like format. We should always opt to include rather than exclude information where it may be worth keeping in. Otherwise, we run the real risk of deleting information that we should have left in. . . Your thoughts? takethemud 13:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of you probably already know that I have been trying to get The Simpsons through the FAC process. This seems very likely to fail, but I will continue to work on the article and probably return with a new attempt in the next year. One of the problems with the article is "unreliable sources". In the "Animation" section we have an infobox, which shows an overview of the overseas animation studios. This is based on one of the "unreliable sources", so I have to remove the infobox, because the information is not available anywhere else. I kind of like the infobox, so I thought of a way to keep it. What if we made a list of which episodes the overseas animation studios has made? It can be based on this website. Of course this list will never be featured, but who cares about that. I would like to focus on the main article, so I don't have the time to produce a new list. I was then wondering if anybody would like to make this list for me. -- Maitch 21:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I created this article a few weeks back. Since then I've been the only one working on it. So far it hasn't been deleted, and I take that as a good sign. However, since I'm the only one doing anything with it, is this article relevant at all? -- The Dark Side 02:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Scorpion 03:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
==Europe== *France **Crepes of Wrath - Bart travels to France as part of a student exchange trip **Bart Mangled Banner - The Simpson family flees to France *England **Regina Monologues - The entire family plus Grampa travel to England to find Grampa's long lost love *Sweden **Homer's Barbershop Quartet - Homer and the Be Sharps tour there ==Asia== *China **Goo Goo Gai Pan - Entire Family plus Selma travel there to adopt a baby for Selma *Japan **Etc, etc
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Title says it all. At last! Gran2 16:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Alright, so I went through the Mr. Burns article and tried to clean up the "State of Mind" section by making it into a few paragraphs. I'm hesitant to cut the content out of the article and replace it with what I've made up without first getting input about it from others. So, maybe interested persons will take a look at these paragraphs, edit them as they see fit, and when they are acceptable, we can replace the State of Mind section with an edited version of this (minus the bullet points which are there only to differentiate the entry from the rest of this talk page):
what does everybody think? takethemud 17:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
It's good, but a lot of it is just lists in text form that noon really want's to read. really you should only have the 3 or 4 most important things if you ask me, instead of listing all kinds of crap about names changing and country borders.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 13:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of the things could come under the heading Anachronisms, things tha Mr Burns Uses that are out of date such as his Bearcat or using a quill, just a suggestion but that could tidy some of it up. Davie4264 16:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Now that Homerpalooza has been nominated for as a GA candidate, I've decided to list all of the episode pages, that are... well the best. These are obviously the ones that should be still improved so that they can become GA and FA standard, as well as providing some sort of definitive guidelines for all episode pages.
So, scanning down the B-class Simpsons articles category I see:
Any others that should be included? And which is closest to a nomination? Gran2 10:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel that the "The Rest Of The Book" section could do with a bit of expansion. I'm willing to do it, but any disagreements or ideas? Shealer 13:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've added and edited what I can, if anyone else can improve, please do. Shealer 14:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been considering creating a new user box for Simpsons fans, but I can't figure out what slogan to put on it. Here's what I'm thinking:
Suggestions? -- Scorpion 16:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
They're all good! I mean you could have countless ones, like "This user lives in the clerk building" and "This user is a cheese eating surrender monkey".
So in other, I say do them all. Gran2 17:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I like the last two, but the very last is the best. I think the first one is not very good because a lot of people don't realise embiggens and cromulent are neologisms. I don't really think i would want to put a userbox on my page saying i'm gay for an old shrivelled up guy. So go Bitey!-- Andy mci 17:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Ants | This user, for one, welcomes our new Insect Overlords. |
Hans | This user is Gay for Moleman. |
CBG | This is, without a doubt, the worst userbox ever! |
Here's my less than perfect stab at one, i couldn't believe this wasn't alreday a userbox. It will probably turn out that there is and I've missed it.... Ah well, feel free to edit the colour scheme. And as for the "gay for moleman", although I'm not crazy about the subject matter... It does look pretty good. Gran2 20:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I was recently watching Season 9 on DVD, and I got 2 ideas for new articles. We already have four "theme" articles that are devoted to four common themes: religion, politics, education and travel. Well, perhaps we should make pages for sports and the environment because there have been many episodes about both topics, The Simpsons has won several Environmental media awards, and dozens of athletes have guest starred so we could probably make good ideas for both. And, I think they are more common episode themes than education or travel. So, what do others think? -- Scorpion 01:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
You guys, there's a LOT of stuff in these articles that needs to be cleaned up regarding some of the gags and how "literal" they are in relation to the show. We have a lot of "facts" listed about characters that were mentioned once as a passing gag in a single episode, then never mentioned again....but its listed as though it were concrete...Heres a quote from the Mrage Simpson profile page: She manages to feed her entire family with only twelve dollars a week. (She pads Homer's food with sawdust). She also prepares various commemorative hams, including an emergency ham, a condolence ham, an earthquake ham and a celebration ham." These are not necessarily solid fact regarding Marge, as character, as say, "Marge is a housewife who spends most of her time caring for Maggie."...I think some of the real absurd ones need to be removed...theres been a huge fight about this on some of the Metalocalypse "back pages", yet it doesnt seem to be addressed here... Thesetrixaintforkids
I'm considering making an article for Barnacle Bay, which is from The Wife Aquatic. Yes, it is a one time thing, but it was central to the episode and there are several locations that serve more as backgrounds that pages. Thoughts? Complaints? -- Scorpion 16:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of the more recent epsiode capsules have broadcast information. I know a few months ago it was generally agreed that this information is extraneous, but I want to make sure that everyone is still in agreement. Natalie 01:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need family pages for The Vanhoutens, Wiggums and Flanderses? The pages basically duplicate information from individual articles and the various families have their own sections in the list of characters. I can understand there being one for the Simpson family (because there are a tonne of family members) and maybe even the Bouvier family, although it needs a MAJOR cleanup. So, should we merge those pages, nominate them for afd or leave them? And while we're at it, is this page really necessary? -- Scorpion 16:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Should Dolph have his own page, or should it be merged with the Springfield Elementary School Students page? I think Jimbo and Kearney are different and individually notable enough to warrant their own pages, but Dolph is very rarely seen alone, so perhaps he should be merged. He's certainly less developed that Uter or Sherri & Terri. On a related note, do Sherri & Terri deserve their own page (I merged them with SESS a while back)? Thoughts? -- Scorpion 19:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I've spent the morning correcting redirects (ie. Many link to episode pages, the main character list) and you'd be amazed at some of the characters that at one point had pages ( Sid (The Simpsons)). I think we should finally decide who is notable enough to have a page and who isn't, because the recurring page is getting very crowded. First, I merged some character pages:
Birch Barlow, Aristotle Amadopolis and Lucius Sweet are now in the one-times page. The Leader (The Simpsons) is now in the Movementarianism page. Now the only one-timers who do have pages are Frank Grimes and Hank Scorpio.
Now, there are 35 characters on the recurring page and we could probably easily make it 100 if we had every minor character. My thoughts:
Thoughts? Is there anyone that does or doesn't need their own page? -- Scorpion 15:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
As always I prefer one-time things to be in the episode article. That's why I propose that
Movementarianism is merged into "
The Joy of Life". --
Maitch
15:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I actually don't like the character lists, because it is not clear who goes into what list. I've been trying a couple of time to set up inclusion criterias, but people doesn't like that. The way I see there are two possible ways of doing the lists:
1:
2:
I like the second solution best, because it doesn't clutter the main list with stuff like Unnamed "cousins", related to the Simpsons because their dog is the brother of Santa's Little Helper -- Maitch 16:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm making a page for the book and I had started it, but I can't continue it tonight and saved my progress here and I'll eventually move it to it's own mainspace page. If anyone would like to add to what little I have so far, please feel free to do so. I don't have any experience writing book pages, but basically what I'm going to do with the page is list what the book is about and give brief summaries on what each chapter is about. -- Scorpion 02:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Started a page on the Simpsons action figure line from Playmates - not sure why it's been flagged, I know I only have limited access from work so my pages are always a little rough ... can you review and give me comments?
It seems to be an important part of the Simpsons legacy - no other seroes has ever launched a 5-year succesful line so late in its run (the 11th season) plus very few other lines outside of starwars and maybe star trek have even ranged as deep as the Simpsons line - over 200 characters from the series ...
I apologize I did not join or ask you to review first. I was unaware of your project to corral all of the Simpsons info. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jbelkin800 ( talk • contribs) 06:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 14:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 14:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
While Bart and Homer have been cleaned up, Marge, Lisa, Maggie, Mr. Burns, and essentially all the other character pages are still super cruft-y. Slash and burn? Natalie 22:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
d'oh! | This user is a possible Homer Sexual. |
No idea for Marge though. Gran2 21:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The first small bits of information have already been starting to come out and I've had to prevent a user from creating a Season 19 page. I've got the potential page on watch and I'll nominate any attempts to create a page for Speedy delete. But, when should we allow one to be made? I think it should be when the first Season 19 episode (which would probably be THOH18) is confirmed, either through interviews or the copyright database. Thoughts? -- Scorpion 03:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The politics in the Simpsons article is up for afd here, but perhaps we need to come up with a consesus on theme articles in general. There are currently 5 theme articles: politics, religion, education, media and travel (and I'm working on Environment and Sports theme pages) and I think it doesn't hurt to have them. They contain important information so that you don't need to clog up the main Simpsons page with it. But, they have as of late become cluttered and filled with POV and OR, but they shouldn't be that hard to clean up. Thoughts? Opinions? -- Scorpion 05:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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I've put in an article request for a list of Simpsons characters by Alma Mater. I figure, there are easily enough characters in the series with affilations to real colleges and universities that such an article could be whipped up. E.G. Burns at Yale, Sideshow Mel at Cornell, Edna Krababble (sp?) at Bryn Mawr etc... Or a general Education in The Simpsons article that includes the fake universities, plus Springfield elementry and others -- Xtreambar 04:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Here's an interesting page I found on The Simpsons Archive -- a list of Ivy League references in The Simpson http://www.snpp.com/guides/ivy.html . -- Xtreambar 22:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I think I could do a lot. Trosk 04:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I just finished the article, so please take a look and add stuff. It needs a LOT of work, but it has a decent start so any help is greatly appreciated. -- Scorpion0422 23:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Are they allowed on individual episode pages? Someone keeps deleting them from the episode pages and I'm not sure if they should be deleted. -- The Dark Side 01:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I thought the general theme was 'move all quotes to WikiQuote'? -- Mortice 18:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Presumably the link to the season page on WikiQuote could link to the episode's section? Though I see there's currently only one page on WikiQuote for the whole of The Simpsons. Ah, after examination, that one page is just transclusions of season pages - cunning...
Do you think someone could either write up notes on the 'preferred format' for moving quotes to WikiQuote and updating the episode page with the link, or just choose a 'reference episode' from which other episodes can follow the format. Ideally all episode pages updated should be done in exactly the same way, so notes or a reference article would assist with that -- Mortice 22:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through our stats and its kind of embarassing that we only have 1 featured article (which is a list, and thus easier to become featured) and 1 good artcle. Other projects (such as Project Nintendo) have a dozen of each. I think we, as a project, need to pull together and try to edit articles and get all of our Top priority articles up to GA or even better, FA status. I'm assuming that apart from the 2 GA/FA articles, the 5 Simpson family members are Top priority and thus we should focus on them. Perhaps we should do Homer first. So, what does everyone think? Should we pull together and get the Simpson family and othet Top importance articles upgraded. And what are all 10 of the Top priority articles? -- Scorpion0422 07:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
We should move through the pages of importance, everyone editing them to get them better. It would help if there is an order to it, and one that is easy to remember e.g.
And more. Feel free to edit this post to add/remove/rearrange pages at will.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 16:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll make a subpage with the to do for the Featured Articles.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 20:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
WIkipedia talk:WIkiProject The Simpsons/Featured Article drive
Is it time to archive this page yet? Seems long to me... Natalie 19:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been assessing the importance of SImpsons articles, and the staff has been tough, but here's what I've done. Opinions needed.
NOTE - The ones in italics are the ones I'm not sure about...
The issue:
-- Scorpion0422 00:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through and I noticed that there is a List of writers of The Simpsons, but no list of directors. I was wondering if anyone thinks that there is a pressing need for one. -- Scorpion0422 05:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to add some templates to the pages of all the episodes (so far) in Season 18. These will have no visible effect, but are used by the bot ListGenBot to read data from the pages and compile lists.
This bot is currently approved for testing, so I am only proposing changing Season 18. The bot will generate pages containing the data on the episode pages, ordered by section or alphabetically - see User:ListGenBot/Details for full details.
I'm aware that many of the data items on these pages already have list pages, but I propose generating independent list pages from the bot and evaluate the worth of adding some of those lists (dynamically updated) to other pages.
My proposal is to make invisible updates to the Season 18 episode pages but the bot will only read these pages, it will make no updates, so there is no risk of corrupting existing episode data. I'll add the templates with HTML comments to explain their use.
I'll create list pages that the bot will maintain (probably as subpages of this page) until their worth is evaluated and there's a consensus to integrate them into other pages. If there is that consensus, I'll add the templates to all the other episode pages.
Please let me know if anyone has concern or wants clarification with this exercise -- Mortice 18:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I've experimentally edited the first 5 (so far) pages of Season 18 to add invisible bot tags (templates delimiting interesting data), and the lists generated can be seen on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Example generated lists.
This page is currently a mess because it's an accumulation of every list that could be generated from the data on the episode pages, but if you pick thorugh it, there's some interesting things that could be used on other pages, such as list of directors or blocks of trivia grouped by page. All these lists can be generated per-season or across all seasons (same thing so far since only 5 episodes of one season have had the bot tags added).
Once the bot is running properly, newly created episode pages will be automatically added to all these lists within a few mins of creating the episode page (not yet because bot's in test).
You should find no visible change to the episode pages and you may find some use from the stuff on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Example generated lists - let me know what you think -- Mortice 23:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
For your interest, I've written up instructions on the edits that are required at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages but you'd better not do too much yet since the bot isn't approved so won't update the list pages yet, but I'd appreciate any comments on those notes. You can claim interest in handling a season too, if you like. Don't be put off by the length of the instructions, it's quite straightforward really :) -- Mortice 22:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I might as well just do a few right now before i can't be bothered. I put my name on seasons 1 and 2, so i'll start that.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 17:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I've done the infobox for every episode up to The Call of the Simpsons, but i need to do homework now.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 18:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
ListGenBot is now Approved! So it's running 'continuously' and you should find once you update an episode, the lists on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Example generated lists should update within a few minutes. We could also generate lists similar to the ones on that page but just for info about a single season, if anyone wants one -- Mortice 20:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
If anyone's editing a season, they can check the updates just to that season by clicking on the link next to the season at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages -- Mortice 21:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I had this idea yesterday, for a list of all stereotypes in the Simpsons that are seen at one point or another. So there could be important to minor characters such as Groundskeeper Willie and Cletus under characters, and one time group things such as the school uniforms in Team Homer. I think this would be a decent article, if worked on. Does anyone else support?-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 18:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The episode capsule The Cartridge Family contains this trivia: "As of this episode, everyone with the surname "Simpson", has fired a gun." No one reads discussions on the capsule pages, so I'm asking this here: when? I don't think Bart shot a gun until Bart the Mother (season 10), and I don't think Lisa or Mona have ever shot a gun. Natalie 02:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Since I got an answer here, I'll ask another question. Ned's mother keeps being named Mona on List of characters from The Simpsons. I don't remember her ever being given a name, and our own page on Ned says his parents have never been named. Does anyone else remember his mom being named? Natalie 01:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Ned: Gee Homer, it's only because my parents where so hard on me.
Flashback
Ned: Whoopsidoodle
Dad: Oh man! Ned spilt ink all over my poems! He's putting us on the train to squaresville Mona.
It may have been another episode, but that's pretty much the quote. Gran2 07:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
That is definitely the right episode and quote. There may be another one somewhere though. Davie4264 16:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
There's a project afoot to make some (invisible) updates to episode pages which will assist in generating lists of information for other pages, using ListGenBot.
If you would like to help out, there's details of what to do at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages, and a table there where you can claim interest in editing a particular season. Thanks -- Mortice 21:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been making some changes to the Season 2 page and I think it will be ready for a run at Featured List. My only concern is that it may not be considered notable enough. Anyway, take a look at the page and make any changes you deem necessary. -- Scorpion0422 21:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The above proposal is super long, so I'm branching this off. I think we should add show runners to the info gathered by the bot. I've been listening to some of the DVD commentary recently, and the show runners are the same as the executive producers, and seem pretty important. They are also in the infobox (above writers), so I figure they should be listed too. Natalie 00:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
While people are doing the more detailed-work on Homer, I'd like to start trimming the cruft-tastic lists on the other character pages: Marge, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, Ned, etc. If people know of other characters that are in bad shape, let me know. Natalie 18:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The episode capsules are de-volving again (I've been adding the ListGenBot stuff, so I've been reading them). When I'm done with my other ListGenBot season, I'd like to revamp some of the capsules again: remove goofs, work some of the trivia and cultural references into the synopsis, simpler consistency stuff. Two things I was thinking about that may be more controversial: putting more information about the actual episode production (to avoid excessive in-universe-ness), and completely removing song lyriccs. I seem to remember from a previous discussion that these are of questionable copyright status and, to me at least, they seem excessive.
As far as putting more information about the episode production, I have seasons 4-8 on DVD, which of course have commentary that often discusses the production. I'm not sure where else to find that info, snpp, maybe. If someone has seasons 1-3 and would like to put that info in, that'd be great. And season 9 will be out soon (next week I think), so I can put that info in. Comments and suggestions would be appreciated. Natalie 18:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
What I would like help with is adding more production info and trimming down the quotes. A couple of quotes (especially one-liners) seem fine, but some of them are getting to the point that they are recapping the whole episode. Natalie 20:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
So go here if you feel that it meets criteria. -- Scorpion0422 19:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
A while ago, there was a bit of a dustup at the Mike Scully article, wherein I was in favor of including mention of the distaste many fans seem to display for him, and another editor did not want any such mention. Eventually, there was a back-and-forth, and the other editor, who is also an administrator, protected the article. I left it alone with the hope that someone else would weigh in on the talk page, but nothing has happened. I'm not sure if I'm right or wrong here, but I figure that you guys here at the project should have a chance to weigh in. Croctotheface 10:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, thanks to all who are joining in with the ListGenBot tag updates to episodes.
In order to avoid clogging up this page with updates abou this, I've started a 'Discussion' section at the bottom of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages -if you're taking part then please watch the page for updates (if you're not already).
Recent update involves adding a new tag for the 'Runners' listed on some episode pages - see that page for details -- Mortice 23:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Should the images used in this project, such as [[Image:Bart Simpson.png]], have image fair use rationale added?
I assume the pictures are useable because they're for illustration, but the 'copright' template added to the pic does say a fair use rationale should also be added. More info at Help:Image_page#Fair_use_rationale.
This came up because over on Hank Azaria someone removed the pics of the Simpsons characters that Hank voices, and I figure the pic use justification there is the same as it is here.
So do we need to update the pics pages (anyone recommend boilerplate text to be copied in?) or is it not needed (if so why not) or should we remove all the Simpsons pics (shame!) -- Mortice 09:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Of the four considerations taken into account, Three of them (purpose, market effect, and Nature of the work) support the finding that use of these images on Wikipedia as fair use. The other consideration (amount and substantiality) is of little consequence in this analysis. Thus, the four statutory considerations support a finding this is fair use. Further, the underlying policy considerations of the Copyright Clause and copyright law both support a finding that use of these images on Wikipedia is fair use. Based on these factors, use of these images on Wikipedia is fair use ' takethemud 10:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Many of the Simpsons articles have miscellaneous facts and trivia sections. I noticed on the Homer page, a trivia section was removed when the page was edited to bring it up to date and make it a "Good Article." This is good because it streamlined the Homer article and made it "more encyclopediac." But, in the process, Wikipedia lost information about Homer that could have been included on another page dedicated solely to listing miscellaneous facts about him (his email address, social security number, etc.) The main Homer article could have linked to this List page. This would have preserved the information about Homer that had been included on his page and it would have also allowed the article to be revised.
If you look at the Mr. Burns page, you'll see there are long lists on that page: (1) References to his old age; (2) Organizations he belongs to; (3) References to his health; (4) References to his state of mind; (5) Real Life & Fictional Models for his character; (6) List of Episodes starring Mr. Burns. This says nothing of the hodgepodge of miscellaneous facts in the biography section of his article (social security number, telephone number, his vulture collection, etc.)
Clearly, the article is unwieldy and needs to be edited. But in the process of editing it, I think it'd be a mistake to delete this information in an effort to "streamline" the article or to make the entry "more encyclopediac."
Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said: "It would be dangerous for persons trained only to the law to constitute themselves final judges of the worth of illustrations, outside of the narrowest and most obvious limits. . . If they command the interest of any public, they have value and the taste of any public is not to be greeted with contempt." (paraphrased)
Much as Mr Holmes urged the judiciary to act with restraint when judging the value of artistic works, Wikipedia editors should also act with restraint when judging whether something should be excluded from Wikipedia's pages. If something is included on Wikipedia, it's safe to say that at least one person finds something notable enough to be included. And if one person finds it notable enough to add it to Wikipedia, how many more readers who go uncounted find that same bit of knowledge to be interesting and worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia? I dare say that many do. And if many find something worthy of inclusion, why should it be excluded from Wikipedia because others disagree? By deleting information some deem to be irrelevant, we are taking information away from those who believe it to be relevant.
Outside of the "narrowest and obviously limits" of relevance (vandalism, falsities, and the like) would it not be wise to opt to include information about Mr. Burns and the other Simpson characters in Wikipedia and not destroy its content? Is it not preferable to organize seemingly erroneous information (through redirects, new articles, lists, etc.) and give it a rightful place among the other articles of Wikipedia, rather than to delete it and deprive the world of the benefit of having the information at its disposal?
I do think so, and that is why I am in favor of creating lists about Simspsons character like Mr. Burns, where all of the information contained in those lists could be included? Then, the main article could be whittled down, links to the list page(s) included in the article, and then no information would be lost in the process. takethemud 10:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)takethemud
I think we definitely need trivia and cultural references on episode pages, opposing the thing somehwere about merging it into the synopsis. People looking for random trivia don't want to trawl through lots of text to find what they're looking for.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 16:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that integration of trivia sections into the articles is preferable and it should be our first choice. But, some things may be incapable of integration and would be destined to be the "unorganized facts" in the trivia sections that you referred to. We should recognize this as a truism. So the question becomes, what do we do with the leftover unorganized facts that couldn't be integrated into the article? By making a list page of these unorganized facts that really can't be worked in to the article, we'll improve the articles (by not having an trivia section), while at the same time, preserving all of the content elsewhere on Wikipedia, in an list-like format. We should always opt to include rather than exclude information where it may be worth keeping in. Otherwise, we run the real risk of deleting information that we should have left in. . . Your thoughts? takethemud 13:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of you probably already know that I have been trying to get The Simpsons through the FAC process. This seems very likely to fail, but I will continue to work on the article and probably return with a new attempt in the next year. One of the problems with the article is "unreliable sources". In the "Animation" section we have an infobox, which shows an overview of the overseas animation studios. This is based on one of the "unreliable sources", so I have to remove the infobox, because the information is not available anywhere else. I kind of like the infobox, so I thought of a way to keep it. What if we made a list of which episodes the overseas animation studios has made? It can be based on this website. Of course this list will never be featured, but who cares about that. I would like to focus on the main article, so I don't have the time to produce a new list. I was then wondering if anybody would like to make this list for me. -- Maitch 21:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I created this article a few weeks back. Since then I've been the only one working on it. So far it hasn't been deleted, and I take that as a good sign. However, since I'm the only one doing anything with it, is this article relevant at all? -- The Dark Side 02:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Scorpion 03:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
==Europe== *France **Crepes of Wrath - Bart travels to France as part of a student exchange trip **Bart Mangled Banner - The Simpson family flees to France *England **Regina Monologues - The entire family plus Grampa travel to England to find Grampa's long lost love *Sweden **Homer's Barbershop Quartet - Homer and the Be Sharps tour there ==Asia== *China **Goo Goo Gai Pan - Entire Family plus Selma travel there to adopt a baby for Selma *Japan **Etc, etc
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Title says it all. At last! Gran2 16:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Alright, so I went through the Mr. Burns article and tried to clean up the "State of Mind" section by making it into a few paragraphs. I'm hesitant to cut the content out of the article and replace it with what I've made up without first getting input about it from others. So, maybe interested persons will take a look at these paragraphs, edit them as they see fit, and when they are acceptable, we can replace the State of Mind section with an edited version of this (minus the bullet points which are there only to differentiate the entry from the rest of this talk page):
what does everybody think? takethemud 17:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
It's good, but a lot of it is just lists in text form that noon really want's to read. really you should only have the 3 or 4 most important things if you ask me, instead of listing all kinds of crap about names changing and country borders.-- ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 13:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of the things could come under the heading Anachronisms, things tha Mr Burns Uses that are out of date such as his Bearcat or using a quill, just a suggestion but that could tidy some of it up. Davie4264 16:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Now that Homerpalooza has been nominated for as a GA candidate, I've decided to list all of the episode pages, that are... well the best. These are obviously the ones that should be still improved so that they can become GA and FA standard, as well as providing some sort of definitive guidelines for all episode pages.
So, scanning down the B-class Simpsons articles category I see:
Any others that should be included? And which is closest to a nomination? Gran2 10:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel that the "The Rest Of The Book" section could do with a bit of expansion. I'm willing to do it, but any disagreements or ideas? Shealer 13:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've added and edited what I can, if anyone else can improve, please do. Shealer 14:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been considering creating a new user box for Simpsons fans, but I can't figure out what slogan to put on it. Here's what I'm thinking:
Suggestions? -- Scorpion 16:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
They're all good! I mean you could have countless ones, like "This user lives in the clerk building" and "This user is a cheese eating surrender monkey".
So in other, I say do them all. Gran2 17:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I like the last two, but the very last is the best. I think the first one is not very good because a lot of people don't realise embiggens and cromulent are neologisms. I don't really think i would want to put a userbox on my page saying i'm gay for an old shrivelled up guy. So go Bitey!-- Andy mci 17:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Ants | This user, for one, welcomes our new Insect Overlords. |
Hans | This user is Gay for Moleman. |
CBG | This is, without a doubt, the worst userbox ever! |
Here's my less than perfect stab at one, i couldn't believe this wasn't alreday a userbox. It will probably turn out that there is and I've missed it.... Ah well, feel free to edit the colour scheme. And as for the "gay for moleman", although I'm not crazy about the subject matter... It does look pretty good. Gran2 20:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I was recently watching Season 9 on DVD, and I got 2 ideas for new articles. We already have four "theme" articles that are devoted to four common themes: religion, politics, education and travel. Well, perhaps we should make pages for sports and the environment because there have been many episodes about both topics, The Simpsons has won several Environmental media awards, and dozens of athletes have guest starred so we could probably make good ideas for both. And, I think they are more common episode themes than education or travel. So, what do others think? -- Scorpion 01:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
You guys, there's a LOT of stuff in these articles that needs to be cleaned up regarding some of the gags and how "literal" they are in relation to the show. We have a lot of "facts" listed about characters that were mentioned once as a passing gag in a single episode, then never mentioned again....but its listed as though it were concrete...Heres a quote from the Mrage Simpson profile page: She manages to feed her entire family with only twelve dollars a week. (She pads Homer's food with sawdust). She also prepares various commemorative hams, including an emergency ham, a condolence ham, an earthquake ham and a celebration ham." These are not necessarily solid fact regarding Marge, as character, as say, "Marge is a housewife who spends most of her time caring for Maggie."...I think some of the real absurd ones need to be removed...theres been a huge fight about this on some of the Metalocalypse "back pages", yet it doesnt seem to be addressed here... Thesetrixaintforkids
I'm considering making an article for Barnacle Bay, which is from The Wife Aquatic. Yes, it is a one time thing, but it was central to the episode and there are several locations that serve more as backgrounds that pages. Thoughts? Complaints? -- Scorpion 16:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of the more recent epsiode capsules have broadcast information. I know a few months ago it was generally agreed that this information is extraneous, but I want to make sure that everyone is still in agreement. Natalie 01:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need family pages for The Vanhoutens, Wiggums and Flanderses? The pages basically duplicate information from individual articles and the various families have their own sections in the list of characters. I can understand there being one for the Simpson family (because there are a tonne of family members) and maybe even the Bouvier family, although it needs a MAJOR cleanup. So, should we merge those pages, nominate them for afd or leave them? And while we're at it, is this page really necessary? -- Scorpion 16:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Should Dolph have his own page, or should it be merged with the Springfield Elementary School Students page? I think Jimbo and Kearney are different and individually notable enough to warrant their own pages, but Dolph is very rarely seen alone, so perhaps he should be merged. He's certainly less developed that Uter or Sherri & Terri. On a related note, do Sherri & Terri deserve their own page (I merged them with SESS a while back)? Thoughts? -- Scorpion 19:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I've spent the morning correcting redirects (ie. Many link to episode pages, the main character list) and you'd be amazed at some of the characters that at one point had pages ( Sid (The Simpsons)). I think we should finally decide who is notable enough to have a page and who isn't, because the recurring page is getting very crowded. First, I merged some character pages:
Birch Barlow, Aristotle Amadopolis and Lucius Sweet are now in the one-times page. The Leader (The Simpsons) is now in the Movementarianism page. Now the only one-timers who do have pages are Frank Grimes and Hank Scorpio.
Now, there are 35 characters on the recurring page and we could probably easily make it 100 if we had every minor character. My thoughts:
Thoughts? Is there anyone that does or doesn't need their own page? -- Scorpion 15:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
As always I prefer one-time things to be in the episode article. That's why I propose that
Movementarianism is merged into "
The Joy of Life". --
Maitch
15:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I actually don't like the character lists, because it is not clear who goes into what list. I've been trying a couple of time to set up inclusion criterias, but people doesn't like that. The way I see there are two possible ways of doing the lists:
1:
2:
I like the second solution best, because it doesn't clutter the main list with stuff like Unnamed "cousins", related to the Simpsons because their dog is the brother of Santa's Little Helper -- Maitch 16:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm making a page for the book and I had started it, but I can't continue it tonight and saved my progress here and I'll eventually move it to it's own mainspace page. If anyone would like to add to what little I have so far, please feel free to do so. I don't have any experience writing book pages, but basically what I'm going to do with the page is list what the book is about and give brief summaries on what each chapter is about. -- Scorpion 02:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Started a page on the Simpsons action figure line from Playmates - not sure why it's been flagged, I know I only have limited access from work so my pages are always a little rough ... can you review and give me comments?
It seems to be an important part of the Simpsons legacy - no other seroes has ever launched a 5-year succesful line so late in its run (the 11th season) plus very few other lines outside of starwars and maybe star trek have even ranged as deep as the Simpsons line - over 200 characters from the series ...
I apologize I did not join or ask you to review first. I was unaware of your project to corral all of the Simpsons info. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jbelkin800 ( talk • contribs) 06:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 14:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 14:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
While Bart and Homer have been cleaned up, Marge, Lisa, Maggie, Mr. Burns, and essentially all the other character pages are still super cruft-y. Slash and burn? Natalie 22:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
d'oh! | This user is a possible Homer Sexual. |
No idea for Marge though. Gran2 21:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The first small bits of information have already been starting to come out and I've had to prevent a user from creating a Season 19 page. I've got the potential page on watch and I'll nominate any attempts to create a page for Speedy delete. But, when should we allow one to be made? I think it should be when the first Season 19 episode (which would probably be THOH18) is confirmed, either through interviews or the copyright database. Thoughts? -- Scorpion 03:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The politics in the Simpsons article is up for afd here, but perhaps we need to come up with a consesus on theme articles in general. There are currently 5 theme articles: politics, religion, education, media and travel (and I'm working on Environment and Sports theme pages) and I think it doesn't hurt to have them. They contain important information so that you don't need to clog up the main Simpsons page with it. But, they have as of late become cluttered and filled with POV and OR, but they shouldn't be that hard to clean up. Thoughts? Opinions? -- Scorpion 05:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)