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There are currently several SG-1 images listed on User:Matthew's talk page that are tagged by BetaCommandbot. Since Matthew is no longer active on Wikipedia, i thought I would notify the project, perhaps you guys can take care of them. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 18:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
To let you know what will be happening soon: Per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Unacceptable images, The use of non-free media in lists, galleries, discographies, and navigational and user-interface elements is generally unacceptable because it usually fails the test for significance (criterion #8). This has been practice for many shows in the past few months now, and is currently discussed again at e.g. Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Failure_of_WP:NFC_on_character_lists, which upholds that ruling. That means that most images in SG lists, especially for characters and technology, will be removed soon. (It may be argued to make each list element its own article, but that goes against Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) and may result in AfD. Current merge efforts attempt to avoid that, and you may encounter merge tags more often now (any input is welcome).
Kind of related is the question of infoboxes, especially for one-time characters. See Langaran characters in Stargate or Ancient characters in Stargate as examples. Without the to-be-removed images, can't we also get rid of infoboxes for the minor characters by merging the infobox information into the text? Example of how this might look: Characters of Carnivàle or Characters of Lost. This kind of layout is also encouraged by Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(writing_about_fiction)#Notability_and_undue_weight, but I need to ask about consensus before going ahead. – sgeureka t•c 21:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
(outdent but reply to Tango) Of course primary sources are perfectly valid and reliable, but that wasn't my point. Please read WP:OR#Primary, secondary, and tertiary sources and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) (and maybe Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)) for why using solely primary sources in articles is not alright. As for The lack of secondary sources is because those sources don't exist: I highly doubt that as I could find dozens of secondary sources for all the insignifant characters in an unpopular shortrun TV show. It's all a matter of looking for such sources, which takes enormous amounts of time that most people are reluctant to spend. Also, if it was true that none of these characters have secondary sources, none of them would be notable by definition, and a list of non-notable fictional characters/elements is still non-notable and doesn't serve to exist (as per common WP:FICT and common deletion outcomes). That again makes the use of images in such lists really moot. (I am not explaining this to annoy people, but to educate people and prevent "but why didn't anyone tell me this before I spend time in wrongly "improving" articles I care about" situations.) Please ask if you have more questions, but I can't urge you (or other people) enough to carefully read the links I provided.)– sgeureka t•c 02:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Tango, you mentioned quite rightly that there is a difference between Regular, Recurring and One-off. Since the regular characters have their own pages, the image-removal discussion is moot for them. Then we have a lot of significant and a few insignificant regulars, and a few significant and a lot of insignificant One-off characters covered at wikipedia. Can we, until wiki-wide consensus and agreement about this matter is found, at least start to remove images for the insignificant One-offs? I'm specifically talking about all the One offs in Asuran characters in Stargate, Genii characters in Stargate, Langaran characters in Stargate, Replicator characters in Stargate, and Lucian Alliance characters in Stargate. Since the Wraith and the Asgard look almost always the same, I am also in favor of removing the images for the minor (recurring) characters there. I'd definately leave the two Tau'ri character lists, Goa'uld characters in Stargate and Miscellaneous alien characters in Stargate alone for now, because almost all their characters are very popular and well-known. I'm unsure about removing images of One-offs from Ancient characters in Stargate and Jaffa characters in Stargate because the races are so notable. Can we have temporary consensus for this as to avoid removal sprees from outsiders? (Anybody is welcome to state their opinion.) – sgeureka t•c 17:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:Stargate Atlantis Regulars has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. ({{ Stargate SG-1 regulars}}, {{ Recurring characters on Stargate SG-1}} and {{ Stargate Atlantis Recurring}} have been co-nominated.) – sgeureka t•c 12:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Unas language, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unas language. Thank you. (Just in case someone wants to do something with it, but I can't verify anything in the article with my memory, so I think the article shouldn't exist, not even in a merged form.) – sgeureka t•c 16:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I have proposed a couple of mergers in the last few days (mainly for SG-1), but haven't got a reply so far. I'm listing the proposed mergers below to give them more attention.
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(Merge rationales are at the merge target talk pages). I also believe
Bra'tac and
Adria (Stargate) should be trimmed&merged because they are not main characters. But Bra'tac has appeared in many episodes throughout the entire run of SG-1 and can wait, Done and I still haven't found a good merge target for Adria, so she must wait. Furthermore, I believe most of the planets in
Category:Stargate planets don't deserve their own article, but
Planets in Stargate is already really long, and it's also possible to merge the planets into the articles of their civilizations. I need to give this more thought before proposing a merger for them.
The main reason is always that these articles don't have real-world information as "requested" per WP:FICT, and that I believe that they either can't or won't anytime soon. A merge would make them meet WP:FICT much easier (they can be de-merged anytime if someone wants to work on them), and the risk of AfDing gets lowered. If someone can address notability by adding sourced conception, production, and reception facts during the merge proposals, I'll be happy to withdraw the merge proposals on the spot. I plan to leave the merge proposal open for no more than one month, and I volunteer to do the merges properly. – sgeureka t•c 03:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Concerns have been raised at my talk page that the Miscellaneous alien characters in Stargate article where I have recently merged many recurring characters, doesn't make for great organization, and I am afraid I agree. Another idea is to move the characters to the races/groups they belong to (if there is a race article), but then we would practically give up on the real-world organization of characters-episodes-technology-etc. Note that I am only talking of the not-sooooo-notable races/groups like the Tollan or the Lucian Alliance who only played a role for a short while and who only have a couple of characters (2-3) worth mentioning. As I have added merge tags for four such character lists on Miscellaneous alien characters in Stargate, I'd ask if this is really the way we/you want the information to be represented. – sgeureka t•c 01:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little concerned - who decides which episodes are to be kept and which to delete? As far as I can tell, the episode Zero Hour (mentioned as a "good example" of what to keep) is being kept because someone has made notes when listening to the DVD commentary and a (very) brief guest appearance by Pierre Bernard. Compare that to the episodes: Grace, which has been removed despite Amanda Tapping winning the Leo Award for her performance; and The Nox which is deleted despite it being "...the first episode to feature one of the races from the Alliance of four great races" and an Emmy nomination. The criteria for keeping a separate episode article seems to be a lot less to do with notability outside the world of Stargate and importance to the story of SG-1, and a lot more to do with how much effort is put in to creating the article or someone's personal favourites. Astronaut ( talk) 08:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. -- Maniwar ( talk) 00:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
As was stated in several threads above, I have devoted some time for an SG-1 article review, and as such have transwikiied all ep articles to wikia:Stargate while still leaving the promising articles intact on wikipedia for possible improvement. I finished the transwiki yesterday, but have so far not redirected any articles of Season 10 because of the current massive discussions at WT:EPISODE.
Now, as I have already hinted at above, I am currently in the process of finding out whether SG-1 lends itself for season articles in the way that Smallville (season 1) does. From a production standpoint, I think it is. (And to make this clear: I started thinking about having SG-1 season articles for all seasons maybe two weeks ago, so this is virgin soil for me as well.) All the different important arcs that play out in individual episodes are already covered in the different Races and Characters articles, so they don't (IMO) need detailed repetition as episode articles. Also, most villain arcs play out over a season (think Anubis in Season 5, the Ori in season 9, then Season 10). I can however see one drawback with season articles: the loss of scene-specific cultural references. There is the possibility to have a "Cultural references" section in a season article, but I don't yet tell if this would work well. (Trivial cultural references shouldn't be in an encyclopedic article anyway, so I don't think this will be a major obstacle.)
I have started a very prelimary version at User:Sgeureka/Stargate SG-1 (season 9) for the ninth season. Ignore the poor language because it's still very draft-y (my sandbox is open to everyone to play in it). I have merged what was there in existing S9 episode articles, and I am sorry to report that almost all of that was just trivia. I have expanded the season article with ratings, info from the S9 DVD featurettes "Directors Series - Avalon" and "It takes a crew to build a village" and a few bits from the "Avalon" audio commentary and a couple of my TV Zone Stargate specials, so there is much more there.
I am currently working on bringing another SG article up to Good Article status, and then I'd go ahead and start some real work on the S9 season article to also make it GA (will take a couple of weeks). All I can say with certainty is that Avalon could make for a good individual episode article, but all the other episodes simply don't need their own article. Still, I'd turn Avalon (Stargate SG-1) into a redirect to this season article until the season article has gotten so long that I consider a spin-off of some Avalon material beneficial (that's just the way I work). I have no specific wiki plans after this, although I usually work on what I have started.
So, the question is:
Obviously, all of this would be such a huge undertaking and requires discussion. It would be enough progress for now if we can have consensus on the first question, leaving the other questions for later (nothing will be set in stone). If I come across as pushy, then it is not my intention and I apologize, but I (now) feel season articles are the way to go. – sgeureka t•c 19:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The season articles is a good idea. Besides, I suggest we take a look at the Atlantis episodes since it is reasonable to do the same selection and merge as it was done for SG-1. -- Tone 16:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Looking at your work-in-progress season article, it is quite impressive, and I would argue an improvement over the old episode articles! In fact, the only flaw I can see is that the episode plot summaries are far too small, with many of them being nothing more than teasers. However from the looks of things, you are planning to expand such text into a proper short summary, and that would resolve that matter! Stylistically, I'm not sure if the episode listing should be at the top, or at the bottom of the article, but that is no doubt for discussion elsewhere. LinaMishima ( talk) 19:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Update and reply: I stopped working on Season 9 when I remembered that I had typed up most Season 8 audio commentaries for gateworld once. My current result (with some unwikified copy&paste paragraphs from Mallozzi's production notes) is at
User:Sgeureka/Stargate SG-1 (season 8). I still haven't added info from the audio commentaries for 8x05 through 8x08, all the DVD features, and in-depth production material from 11 pages of a magazine for the first half of the season. I already have collected some DVD reviews for expansion of the reception section. The current episode summaries are taken from the LoE, although I've already expanded the plot summary there for "New Order" (I have enough material to make
New Order (Stargate SG-1) featured, but that is not my concern right now). I am not yet sure whether to use the wikia links like we have at the LoE, or just add one wikia link at the bottom. Then it's just prosifying (would take about two weeks to make the article presentable to the public) and de-cruftifying and polishing, and the S8 article would be ready for
GAC in maybe 2-3 months.
By the way (for those who don't already know),
current EPISODE discussions seem to to encourage the deprication of episode articles on wikipedia in favor of season articles, but nothing has been decided yet. –
sgeureka
t•c
21:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll revise the mainpage of this wikiproject in the next few days, clean out some sections that aren't used, and add sections for GA/ FA content and statistics like many other WikiProjects have. I am also impressed with how the Harry Potter WikiProject has been dealing with their many non-notability-establishing articles, and since SG-1 and SGA still have quite a few of those, creating a list with problem articles might give us better perspective what to work on (expand/trim&merge/transwiki&redirect). I feel all of this is necessary because WP:STARGATE is one of the older (oldest?) fiction-related WikiProjects, and wiki-wide consensus on how to treat fiction has developed into another direction against the initial goals of this WikiProject. If a bold change of mine requires more discussion, feel free to point that out, I am certainly not trying to push my will as the only acceptable way. – sgeureka t•c 17:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the U.S. and Europe back on the same show schedule? I stopped participating in the project due to the change in schedule (U.S. was behind by several months), which created a spoiler situation. Just wondering if they were back in line again running at the same time. Morphh (talk) 16:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:Stargate SG-1 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 03:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:Stargate Planets has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 03:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
What is the consensus in the project about accidentally leaked plot (e.g. recently Stargate Universe), episodes (e.g. several early Season 4 SGA episodes), or films (e.g. Stargate:The Ark of Truth)? Allow per se with the primary source as source; allow leaked material (I don't mean normal gateworld spoilers) if properly sourced by independent parties (may be against the wishes of the copyright holders); revert and explain on the talkpage (possibly leaving hidden comments), and/or later revert and ignore? I am leaning towards options 3 and 4. – sgeureka t•c 16:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Could someone give Zero Hour (Stargate SG-1) a quick read-through for grammar? It is a Good Article nominee and the prose is sufficiently good, but my judgement for singular/plural and for time tenses is not always ideal. – sgeureka t•c 19:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [3] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposal to split WP:EPISODE into a more general notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (serial works), and make the rest of WP:EPISODE just a MOS guideline. Please join in at WT:EPISODE#Proposed split of EPISODE and/or Wikipedia talk:Notability (serial works). -- Ned Scott 22:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
A group of subarticles related to WikiProject Stargate/Recent Changes have been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/WikiProject Stargate/Recent Changes subpages and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of the WikiProject Stargate/Recent Changes subpages during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. (This is mostly a housekeeping MfD.) – sgeureka t•c 18:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
See http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/02/robert_picardo_joins_iatlantisi_.shtml, if you haven't already. This may concern a number of character articles that are currently merged or are proposed for a merge. Also see e.g. Talk:List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate SG-1#Woolsey in Atlantis Season 5 and Talk:List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis#Merger of Jennifer Keller. – sgeureka t•c 19:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I hope you don't mind me just barging in... I was looking at the project page, and while I'm probably not going to be much use expanding and improving articles, I'm more than happy to help with menial edits! I read on the to-do list about disambiguation and citations so thought I may as well have a crack at that. To that end (well, start really!), I've edited the {{sgcite}} a little so the <ref> format matches the one suggested here for all articles. Apart from the "show=ref" option, the other options and outputs are the same. I've already checked all the articles that include the template and there are no redlinks (I edited a few to use standard series names though) and nothing else is broken. So I'm hoping that I can go ahead and start standardizing article references by using the {{sgcite}} for references now? Is that alright? Ch1902 ( talk) 00:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
{{
sgcite|Episode X}}
, so don't fix it if it ain't broken. {{sgcite|show=all}} however does work better for refs, so go ahead if you believe that makes wikipedia better. The toDo list refers more to cases where an episode (or whatever) links to "[[Episode X]]" (dab page) instead of "[[Episode X (Stargate SG-1)]]", and the only way I can imagine to fix that is to check the incoming links for each dab page (via Whatlinkshere in the toolbox), and clean up from there. At this point, you should wait with "fixing" such links in episode articles, as the community is trying to determine if (or what kind of) episode articles are permitted on wikipedia at all, so that might save you some "work". –
sgeureka
t•c
10:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I have started an episode review for all remaining SG-1 episode articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate/Stargate SG-1 episode review, and ask for input from other intersted editors (there, not here). As the current arbcom case only restricts the (un)redirection and (un)deletion of episode articles but not discussion, this review is perfectly fine. I expect the review to last for one or two months, and hope that the currently disputed wikipedia policies and guidelines will have confirmed their old consensus or have found new consensus. Should the policies and guidelines change to allow episode articles regardless of (established) notability or real-world content, this episode review will of course be moot, but I don't expect this to happen, so I seize the day (month). – sgeureka t•c 17:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
An article from this project, 200 (Stargate SG-1) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), is part of a featured topic nomination for the 2007 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Horm. Feel free to leave comments. Will ( talk) 01:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I just submitted Window of Opportunity (Stargate SG-1) as a Good Article Nominee, but if someone want to read over it again to check for oversight mistakes or to improve my grammar here and there, I would certainly not be disappointed. :-) – sgeureka t•c 01:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I have reassessed this article as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. We are currently revisiting all listed Good articles in an effort to ensure that they continue to meet the Good article criteria.
In reviewing the article, I came across some fairly significant issues that may need to be addressed; I have left a detailed summary on the article's talk page. As a result I have put DNA Resequencer's GA status on hold. This will remain in place for a week or so before a final decision is taken as to the article's status.
I've left this notice here because (from the article talk page where the last post is from 2006) I'm not sure how actively this article is being monitored by its authors. Hopefully any interested editor will be alerted this way.
Regards, EyeSerene TALK 10:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Partly because the current GA sweep would have reached Stargate (device) anyway, I have started a GAR at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Stargate (device)/1. This will also (hopefully) help to learn what is necessary for improvement. – sgeureka t•c 17:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
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There are currently several SG-1 images listed on User:Matthew's talk page that are tagged by BetaCommandbot. Since Matthew is no longer active on Wikipedia, i thought I would notify the project, perhaps you guys can take care of them. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 18:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
To let you know what will be happening soon: Per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Unacceptable images, The use of non-free media in lists, galleries, discographies, and navigational and user-interface elements is generally unacceptable because it usually fails the test for significance (criterion #8). This has been practice for many shows in the past few months now, and is currently discussed again at e.g. Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Failure_of_WP:NFC_on_character_lists, which upholds that ruling. That means that most images in SG lists, especially for characters and technology, will be removed soon. (It may be argued to make each list element its own article, but that goes against Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) and may result in AfD. Current merge efforts attempt to avoid that, and you may encounter merge tags more often now (any input is welcome).
Kind of related is the question of infoboxes, especially for one-time characters. See Langaran characters in Stargate or Ancient characters in Stargate as examples. Without the to-be-removed images, can't we also get rid of infoboxes for the minor characters by merging the infobox information into the text? Example of how this might look: Characters of Carnivàle or Characters of Lost. This kind of layout is also encouraged by Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(writing_about_fiction)#Notability_and_undue_weight, but I need to ask about consensus before going ahead. – sgeureka t•c 21:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
(outdent but reply to Tango) Of course primary sources are perfectly valid and reliable, but that wasn't my point. Please read WP:OR#Primary, secondary, and tertiary sources and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) (and maybe Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)) for why using solely primary sources in articles is not alright. As for The lack of secondary sources is because those sources don't exist: I highly doubt that as I could find dozens of secondary sources for all the insignifant characters in an unpopular shortrun TV show. It's all a matter of looking for such sources, which takes enormous amounts of time that most people are reluctant to spend. Also, if it was true that none of these characters have secondary sources, none of them would be notable by definition, and a list of non-notable fictional characters/elements is still non-notable and doesn't serve to exist (as per common WP:FICT and common deletion outcomes). That again makes the use of images in such lists really moot. (I am not explaining this to annoy people, but to educate people and prevent "but why didn't anyone tell me this before I spend time in wrongly "improving" articles I care about" situations.) Please ask if you have more questions, but I can't urge you (or other people) enough to carefully read the links I provided.)– sgeureka t•c 02:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Tango, you mentioned quite rightly that there is a difference between Regular, Recurring and One-off. Since the regular characters have their own pages, the image-removal discussion is moot for them. Then we have a lot of significant and a few insignificant regulars, and a few significant and a lot of insignificant One-off characters covered at wikipedia. Can we, until wiki-wide consensus and agreement about this matter is found, at least start to remove images for the insignificant One-offs? I'm specifically talking about all the One offs in Asuran characters in Stargate, Genii characters in Stargate, Langaran characters in Stargate, Replicator characters in Stargate, and Lucian Alliance characters in Stargate. Since the Wraith and the Asgard look almost always the same, I am also in favor of removing the images for the minor (recurring) characters there. I'd definately leave the two Tau'ri character lists, Goa'uld characters in Stargate and Miscellaneous alien characters in Stargate alone for now, because almost all their characters are very popular and well-known. I'm unsure about removing images of One-offs from Ancient characters in Stargate and Jaffa characters in Stargate because the races are so notable. Can we have temporary consensus for this as to avoid removal sprees from outsiders? (Anybody is welcome to state their opinion.) – sgeureka t•c 17:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:Stargate Atlantis Regulars has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. ({{ Stargate SG-1 regulars}}, {{ Recurring characters on Stargate SG-1}} and {{ Stargate Atlantis Recurring}} have been co-nominated.) – sgeureka t•c 12:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Unas language, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unas language. Thank you. (Just in case someone wants to do something with it, but I can't verify anything in the article with my memory, so I think the article shouldn't exist, not even in a merged form.) – sgeureka t•c 16:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I have proposed a couple of mergers in the last few days (mainly for SG-1), but haven't got a reply so far. I'm listing the proposed mergers below to give them more attention.
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(Merge rationales are at the merge target talk pages). I also believe
Bra'tac and
Adria (Stargate) should be trimmed&merged because they are not main characters. But Bra'tac has appeared in many episodes throughout the entire run of SG-1 and can wait, Done and I still haven't found a good merge target for Adria, so she must wait. Furthermore, I believe most of the planets in
Category:Stargate planets don't deserve their own article, but
Planets in Stargate is already really long, and it's also possible to merge the planets into the articles of their civilizations. I need to give this more thought before proposing a merger for them.
The main reason is always that these articles don't have real-world information as "requested" per WP:FICT, and that I believe that they either can't or won't anytime soon. A merge would make them meet WP:FICT much easier (they can be de-merged anytime if someone wants to work on them), and the risk of AfDing gets lowered. If someone can address notability by adding sourced conception, production, and reception facts during the merge proposals, I'll be happy to withdraw the merge proposals on the spot. I plan to leave the merge proposal open for no more than one month, and I volunteer to do the merges properly. – sgeureka t•c 03:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Concerns have been raised at my talk page that the Miscellaneous alien characters in Stargate article where I have recently merged many recurring characters, doesn't make for great organization, and I am afraid I agree. Another idea is to move the characters to the races/groups they belong to (if there is a race article), but then we would practically give up on the real-world organization of characters-episodes-technology-etc. Note that I am only talking of the not-sooooo-notable races/groups like the Tollan or the Lucian Alliance who only played a role for a short while and who only have a couple of characters (2-3) worth mentioning. As I have added merge tags for four such character lists on Miscellaneous alien characters in Stargate, I'd ask if this is really the way we/you want the information to be represented. – sgeureka t•c 01:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little concerned - who decides which episodes are to be kept and which to delete? As far as I can tell, the episode Zero Hour (mentioned as a "good example" of what to keep) is being kept because someone has made notes when listening to the DVD commentary and a (very) brief guest appearance by Pierre Bernard. Compare that to the episodes: Grace, which has been removed despite Amanda Tapping winning the Leo Award for her performance; and The Nox which is deleted despite it being "...the first episode to feature one of the races from the Alliance of four great races" and an Emmy nomination. The criteria for keeping a separate episode article seems to be a lot less to do with notability outside the world of Stargate and importance to the story of SG-1, and a lot more to do with how much effort is put in to creating the article or someone's personal favourites. Astronaut ( talk) 08:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. -- Maniwar ( talk) 00:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
As was stated in several threads above, I have devoted some time for an SG-1 article review, and as such have transwikiied all ep articles to wikia:Stargate while still leaving the promising articles intact on wikipedia for possible improvement. I finished the transwiki yesterday, but have so far not redirected any articles of Season 10 because of the current massive discussions at WT:EPISODE.
Now, as I have already hinted at above, I am currently in the process of finding out whether SG-1 lends itself for season articles in the way that Smallville (season 1) does. From a production standpoint, I think it is. (And to make this clear: I started thinking about having SG-1 season articles for all seasons maybe two weeks ago, so this is virgin soil for me as well.) All the different important arcs that play out in individual episodes are already covered in the different Races and Characters articles, so they don't (IMO) need detailed repetition as episode articles. Also, most villain arcs play out over a season (think Anubis in Season 5, the Ori in season 9, then Season 10). I can however see one drawback with season articles: the loss of scene-specific cultural references. There is the possibility to have a "Cultural references" section in a season article, but I don't yet tell if this would work well. (Trivial cultural references shouldn't be in an encyclopedic article anyway, so I don't think this will be a major obstacle.)
I have started a very prelimary version at User:Sgeureka/Stargate SG-1 (season 9) for the ninth season. Ignore the poor language because it's still very draft-y (my sandbox is open to everyone to play in it). I have merged what was there in existing S9 episode articles, and I am sorry to report that almost all of that was just trivia. I have expanded the season article with ratings, info from the S9 DVD featurettes "Directors Series - Avalon" and "It takes a crew to build a village" and a few bits from the "Avalon" audio commentary and a couple of my TV Zone Stargate specials, so there is much more there.
I am currently working on bringing another SG article up to Good Article status, and then I'd go ahead and start some real work on the S9 season article to also make it GA (will take a couple of weeks). All I can say with certainty is that Avalon could make for a good individual episode article, but all the other episodes simply don't need their own article. Still, I'd turn Avalon (Stargate SG-1) into a redirect to this season article until the season article has gotten so long that I consider a spin-off of some Avalon material beneficial (that's just the way I work). I have no specific wiki plans after this, although I usually work on what I have started.
So, the question is:
Obviously, all of this would be such a huge undertaking and requires discussion. It would be enough progress for now if we can have consensus on the first question, leaving the other questions for later (nothing will be set in stone). If I come across as pushy, then it is not my intention and I apologize, but I (now) feel season articles are the way to go. – sgeureka t•c 19:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The season articles is a good idea. Besides, I suggest we take a look at the Atlantis episodes since it is reasonable to do the same selection and merge as it was done for SG-1. -- Tone 16:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Looking at your work-in-progress season article, it is quite impressive, and I would argue an improvement over the old episode articles! In fact, the only flaw I can see is that the episode plot summaries are far too small, with many of them being nothing more than teasers. However from the looks of things, you are planning to expand such text into a proper short summary, and that would resolve that matter! Stylistically, I'm not sure if the episode listing should be at the top, or at the bottom of the article, but that is no doubt for discussion elsewhere. LinaMishima ( talk) 19:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Update and reply: I stopped working on Season 9 when I remembered that I had typed up most Season 8 audio commentaries for gateworld once. My current result (with some unwikified copy&paste paragraphs from Mallozzi's production notes) is at
User:Sgeureka/Stargate SG-1 (season 8). I still haven't added info from the audio commentaries for 8x05 through 8x08, all the DVD features, and in-depth production material from 11 pages of a magazine for the first half of the season. I already have collected some DVD reviews for expansion of the reception section. The current episode summaries are taken from the LoE, although I've already expanded the plot summary there for "New Order" (I have enough material to make
New Order (Stargate SG-1) featured, but that is not my concern right now). I am not yet sure whether to use the wikia links like we have at the LoE, or just add one wikia link at the bottom. Then it's just prosifying (would take about two weeks to make the article presentable to the public) and de-cruftifying and polishing, and the S8 article would be ready for
GAC in maybe 2-3 months.
By the way (for those who don't already know),
current EPISODE discussions seem to to encourage the deprication of episode articles on wikipedia in favor of season articles, but nothing has been decided yet. –
sgeureka
t•c
21:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll revise the mainpage of this wikiproject in the next few days, clean out some sections that aren't used, and add sections for GA/ FA content and statistics like many other WikiProjects have. I am also impressed with how the Harry Potter WikiProject has been dealing with their many non-notability-establishing articles, and since SG-1 and SGA still have quite a few of those, creating a list with problem articles might give us better perspective what to work on (expand/trim&merge/transwiki&redirect). I feel all of this is necessary because WP:STARGATE is one of the older (oldest?) fiction-related WikiProjects, and wiki-wide consensus on how to treat fiction has developed into another direction against the initial goals of this WikiProject. If a bold change of mine requires more discussion, feel free to point that out, I am certainly not trying to push my will as the only acceptable way. – sgeureka t•c 17:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the U.S. and Europe back on the same show schedule? I stopped participating in the project due to the change in schedule (U.S. was behind by several months), which created a spoiler situation. Just wondering if they were back in line again running at the same time. Morphh (talk) 16:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:Stargate SG-1 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 03:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:Stargate Planets has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 03:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
What is the consensus in the project about accidentally leaked plot (e.g. recently Stargate Universe), episodes (e.g. several early Season 4 SGA episodes), or films (e.g. Stargate:The Ark of Truth)? Allow per se with the primary source as source; allow leaked material (I don't mean normal gateworld spoilers) if properly sourced by independent parties (may be against the wishes of the copyright holders); revert and explain on the talkpage (possibly leaving hidden comments), and/or later revert and ignore? I am leaning towards options 3 and 4. – sgeureka t•c 16:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Could someone give Zero Hour (Stargate SG-1) a quick read-through for grammar? It is a Good Article nominee and the prose is sufficiently good, but my judgement for singular/plural and for time tenses is not always ideal. – sgeureka t•c 19:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [3] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposal to split WP:EPISODE into a more general notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (serial works), and make the rest of WP:EPISODE just a MOS guideline. Please join in at WT:EPISODE#Proposed split of EPISODE and/or Wikipedia talk:Notability (serial works). -- Ned Scott 22:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
A group of subarticles related to WikiProject Stargate/Recent Changes have been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/WikiProject Stargate/Recent Changes subpages and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of the WikiProject Stargate/Recent Changes subpages during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. (This is mostly a housekeeping MfD.) – sgeureka t•c 18:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
See http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/02/robert_picardo_joins_iatlantisi_.shtml, if you haven't already. This may concern a number of character articles that are currently merged or are proposed for a merge. Also see e.g. Talk:List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate SG-1#Woolsey in Atlantis Season 5 and Talk:List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis#Merger of Jennifer Keller. – sgeureka t•c 19:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I hope you don't mind me just barging in... I was looking at the project page, and while I'm probably not going to be much use expanding and improving articles, I'm more than happy to help with menial edits! I read on the to-do list about disambiguation and citations so thought I may as well have a crack at that. To that end (well, start really!), I've edited the {{sgcite}} a little so the <ref> format matches the one suggested here for all articles. Apart from the "show=ref" option, the other options and outputs are the same. I've already checked all the articles that include the template and there are no redlinks (I edited a few to use standard series names though) and nothing else is broken. So I'm hoping that I can go ahead and start standardizing article references by using the {{sgcite}} for references now? Is that alright? Ch1902 ( talk) 00:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
{{
sgcite|Episode X}}
, so don't fix it if it ain't broken. {{sgcite|show=all}} however does work better for refs, so go ahead if you believe that makes wikipedia better. The toDo list refers more to cases where an episode (or whatever) links to "[[Episode X]]" (dab page) instead of "[[Episode X (Stargate SG-1)]]", and the only way I can imagine to fix that is to check the incoming links for each dab page (via Whatlinkshere in the toolbox), and clean up from there. At this point, you should wait with "fixing" such links in episode articles, as the community is trying to determine if (or what kind of) episode articles are permitted on wikipedia at all, so that might save you some "work". –
sgeureka
t•c
10:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I have started an episode review for all remaining SG-1 episode articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate/Stargate SG-1 episode review, and ask for input from other intersted editors (there, not here). As the current arbcom case only restricts the (un)redirection and (un)deletion of episode articles but not discussion, this review is perfectly fine. I expect the review to last for one or two months, and hope that the currently disputed wikipedia policies and guidelines will have confirmed their old consensus or have found new consensus. Should the policies and guidelines change to allow episode articles regardless of (established) notability or real-world content, this episode review will of course be moot, but I don't expect this to happen, so I seize the day (month). – sgeureka t•c 17:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
An article from this project, 200 (Stargate SG-1) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), is part of a featured topic nomination for the 2007 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Horm. Feel free to leave comments. Will ( talk) 01:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I just submitted Window of Opportunity (Stargate SG-1) as a Good Article Nominee, but if someone want to read over it again to check for oversight mistakes or to improve my grammar here and there, I would certainly not be disappointed. :-) – sgeureka t•c 01:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I have reassessed this article as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. We are currently revisiting all listed Good articles in an effort to ensure that they continue to meet the Good article criteria.
In reviewing the article, I came across some fairly significant issues that may need to be addressed; I have left a detailed summary on the article's talk page. As a result I have put DNA Resequencer's GA status on hold. This will remain in place for a week or so before a final decision is taken as to the article's status.
I've left this notice here because (from the article talk page where the last post is from 2006) I'm not sure how actively this article is being monitored by its authors. Hopefully any interested editor will be alerted this way.
Regards, EyeSerene TALK 10:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Partly because the current GA sweep would have reached Stargate (device) anyway, I have started a GAR at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Stargate (device)/1. This will also (hopefully) help to learn what is necessary for improvement. – sgeureka t•c 17:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)