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I am Lex94, member of WikiProject Professional Wrestling, WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Disambiguation, WikiProject Puerto Rico, WikiProject Computers and Videogames and I have just joined Wiki Project Heroes! Looking forward to editing and contributing to this project. Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 00:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I joined the Project, and I immediately noticed that the Project page was uneven, plain and didn't even link to the talk page. So, I kind of made a new layout.
Project Page - Please give opinions on layout
Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 02:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Talk:Genesis (Heroes)#Genesis or In His Own Image? Wikipedian 01:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I have asked RMHED ( talk · contribs) to explain his mass tagging of all Heroes episodes with the {{ notability}} tag. Personally, I think it's rediculous. But reverting seems pointless, as he already mass-reverted Ckatz once. — Edokter • Talk • 15:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I brought all this up above, in a call for massive reduction and reworking of the episodes. It was met with silence. As such, I support the notability tags. Project apathy is high, hopefully these will stimulate a response. ThuranX ( talk) 19:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I just created Category:WikiProject Heroes Members, but it needs some cleaning up --Is this fact... ? 11:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I recently attempted to condense the biography on Claire Bennet's page, but I have received little response on my attempt (posted at Talk:Claire Bennet/Temp). However, I would like to bring to the attention of the project the overly detailed biographies of all the Heroes characters. As with episode summaries, we should not summarize each and every detail of each episode for each character, but rather provide a general summary of events. Each episode can, for the most part, be condensed to two to three sentences for a character. Agree/disagree/comments? -- iTocapa t 19:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
If we were to just condense the first season, we would end up with something that looks similar to the main article's plot summary, in which the second season is several times larger than the first. I'm just putting that out there. -- iTocapa t 02:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there anyone out there who would be able to create family trees for the characters? Family information is fairly important since they've all been screwing around and it is no longer in the charcaters' infoboxes. I'd do it myself but I am not enough of a technowizard. Thanks asyndeton talk 13:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
How does everyone feel if the episode summaries were condensed into a list, rather than prose, basically listing the major plot points of the episode, rather than having them as detailed as they current are? Example:
Powerless
What does everyone thing of this method? If you dont like it, we still do it in prose, just make the articles less detailed, because they are currently very long.-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 22:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm going into this discussion with some trepidation, though I was wondering if the "now-deleted-and-redirected-here Symbolism/Recurring Elements/ Mythology page ( List of elements in Heroes ) " could be re-instated? It was swiftly deleted and redirected to this main page in November and I just didn't have the energy to argue it. To clarify, I think the section on this main page looks great and uncluttered, I don't think that should change. However, I am now noticing that some folks are now re-adding the deleted info to this main page and are starting to mess with it's pretty little format, thus giving us more cleanup to keep up with. I'm wondering if it isn't too much to re-instate a separate place for them to add that info (in an encyclopedic and verifiable way of course) so that those who are looking for it, have a reference and an outlet. I personally like having a separate article available as a reference. Thoughts? Thanks. I will drop this issue if I'm outvoted. I've also posted this to the main Heroes page. Magkaz ( talk) 19:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Shortly after the second season concluded, I wrote an essay which outlined my concerns for the Heroes articles on Wikipedia. I deliberately delayed posting it until now because the past week has been finals for me, and I knew I would be too busy to respond to the discussion. Anyway, I have posted the essay here. I encourage all editors on this project to take a look at it.
I know that many of you will think me arrogant and/or controlling for this, but this is merely me trying to express what I think the direction of this project should be. As mentioned, I wrote this about a week-and-a-half ago, and some things have changed which I may have not noticed since then. Please inform me of this. When you find anything you disagree with (and I am sure you will), please note it either here or on a user talk page. Thank you for listening to my concerns. -- iTocapa t 21:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why this hasn't been noticed by more people. -- iTocapa iChat 00:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I have devised a new format however a number of users have undone the editing i had started. Would these people please explain why they have done this and then a proper correct discussion can take place. ( Electrobe ( talk) 11:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
PLease note that if i do not recieve any answers to this page within 2 days i will resume my editing formatt and if i am stopped i will report the people stopping me as vandals ( Electrobe ( talk) 11:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
Please note that i tried to create discussion pages which i constantley told you about and you did not reply so in my eyes you were in effect vandals. And that i have not issused any threats asuch, the closest to a threat i have made is saying that if no one relplies and then tries to stop me editing i will treat them as a vandal( Electrobe ( talk) 12:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
Thankyou. Really my idea makes a very minute change to how the pages work and really i dont see why it caused such a fuss in the first place but anyhow this isn't the time. All that is different is that each series has its own section and alternative histories/futures are added into the section as sub-sections. The word/s Plot or Character History are no longer needed. That is all i have ever tried to do and the accusations that i have deleated information and misspelled words are incorrect becasue the longest sentence i have written so far is Volume 1 - Generations. I hope you will except my changes as it will, i believe, greatly improve the presentation of the page/s ( Electrobe ( talk) 14:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
Your idea is hard to understand. Each Series gets its own section? do you mean each episode? Each Season? each Volume? On which articles would this new format apply? character, episode, themes, overview, all? How does removing Wikipedia-wide established sections like Plot and Character History and using Alternate Future and Alternate Histories improve the articles? What would the overall framework be in your new format? Currently, articles often use a lead para, Character history, and where we have it, real world context, including production attitudes, writing history, actor's approach, and so on. How does your format improve upon this? ThuranX ( talk) 17:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Alternative future/histories are currently in use already. and i would have thouhgt the word series would have given you a clue to what the sections would have been split into. Basicually this new format is identical to the old one bar the fact that the word plot isn't there anymore. I know it doesn't sound very different and it isn't i didn't think it was even worth creating a discussion page for its so mino an edit but a few people seemed to go rather over to top about the whole think and started accusing me of all sorts of thinks like rewritng the article. To answer your other question on which characters would this new format be used on as this is the Heroes page i would have thouhgt that was pretty obvious. Next time think before you speak/type .( Electrobe ( talk) 18:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
It cant be explained any simplier, the word plot is deleted. and what is this about an unacceptable tone? im merely fustrated that when you ask me what pages this would apply to and we are discussing this on a Hereos page it cant be any clearer.( Electrobe ( talk) 20:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
It doesn't matter. I've been following this and I think I understand your meaning. I don't relish it, the way we have it is fine. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 21:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Right then so nobody minds if i go ahead then? I will begin the update straight away. ( Electrobe ( talk) 17:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC))
I dont see what relavence that has to me editing a page. ( Electrobe ( talk) 17:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC))
I have noticed that for a lot of new shows, a ratings table for individual episodes has been put into the "list of episodes" page. I think this would be great for Heroes. Most of the individual articles already have the ratings and sources ready, so all we would have to do is insert them in the table. We may not be able to find ratings for all episodes straight away, but I believe if we work together we can do it.....wow that sounded so inspirational! ;) For example, have a look at the page for 30 Rock. I think that would be great to achieve. ( Wikirocks2 ( talk) 07:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC))
See Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Heroes episodes. Thanks, – thedemonhog talk • edits 19:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Nobility of Heroes: Saving Charlie needs to be established. I want to upload the cover, but I will not bother if no one has any intentions of adding information with links to interviews and reviews, in which case the article should be deleted. So, is someone going to save Saving Charlie? – thedemonhog talk • edits 20:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC) P.S. I invite you to comment at Talk:List of characters in Heroes.
This concerns the "List of heroes comics" article.
In the lastest Heroes comic, a character who looks like Bob Bishop (I.E. fat, balding w/glasses) turns someone into gold, something that Bob Bishop has done in the past. For a comparision, check out this photo. [1] In addition to this, the EE photo is of Bob Barker. User:QuasiAbstract disagrees with the identification of this as Bob Bishop, because although it fits Bob's criteria, its not identified.-- CyberGhostface ( talk) 04:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
i'll make the changes back to not having Bob mentioned. Salamander Yes 69.225.179.162 ( talk) 05:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Members of this project may wish to review the dicussions ongoing here - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Better Halves. Please bear in mind that WP:EPISODE is under dispute. Catchpole ( talk) 09:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Given that the above deletion discussion will likely end up as "no consensus", do you guys think that you're ready to redirect whichever ones that do not assert notability? TTN ( talk) 13:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, be aware I originally redirected the above article, only to have it reverted by Edokter ( talk · contribs), "Revert redirect/contest PROD. Please send to Articles for Deletion." — pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
What is the reason for having a seperate list of characters with abilities from the list of characters? Other than the length, I can't see I point to having the seperation. QuasiAbstract ( talk) 16:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I just trimmed down Sylar's synopsis, and the alternate future section seemed to take up unnecessary weight. It's mainly covered within one episode, a few comics, and a few minor glimpses throughout other episodes, so it seems best just to let Five Years Gone handle the information. Is that fine, or is that the project standard. Sylar could also use some more trimming and a good copyedit/fact checking if anyone feels up to it. TTN ( talk) 00:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [2]. Even if you have not, other opinions are needed because this issue is affecting all TV episodes in Wikipedia. -- Maniwar ( talk) 23:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know where I can find some out of universe information on the mythology of Heroes? Like interviews, press releases etc. Not about the recurring elements, but the mythology of the Heroes world and the mythological elements. Also, I need some out of universe information on The Company. It has been tagged for so long, and I have had a difficult time finding third party information from newspapers, mags, interviews and press releases.-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 05:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I have finished the Mythology section. I sourced everything and I hope everyone enjoys it. Please, Please, Please take some time to go over to the page and shred through it. It needs some work, but I think I laid a good foundation. It will need to be checked for verifiability, OR, POV, spelling/grammar and all that good stuff. Some sections may not have enough weight or too much weight. please help improve that too. Please take some time to help improve the article and place any tags that need to be placed. Dont just go and start deleting some stuff, like some users do. Rather, go over to the page and improve it!! Lets all work together. Also, I dont know how to cite ref correctly, so if anyone wants to fix all the lazy refs I did, that needs work as well. I hope it is a qaulity article. I tried not to put any OR or POV in it, but it happens. Its all in good faith of course. Enjoy the page and please take some time to help make improvements! Mythology of Heroes-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 04:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
A request for a new peer review has been made. If you have time in your day, please head over to the Heroes Main Page and submit your comments on the peer review page for improvements to the articles and the Heroes WP as a whole. Heroes Peer Review-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 05:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I refer to, of course, the assignment of super-powers from the list of superpowers. Many of the heroes' abilities have never been named via citation, and it seems to me to set a dangerous precedent in allowing editors to suss out and reason away which power to assign. Even if there is consensus that Monica Dawson has "photographic reflexes" (this used to be termed muscle memory and a few other terms), consensus doesn't overcome synthesis. In fact, i would argue that the assignment of these powers in accordance to the wiki list is the very definition of synthesis. If we allow this, we open the door to some ass-clown in the future seeking to legitimize their own synthesis and using Heroes as a precedent. We have to look beyond this one article and wikiproject. Someone help me understand this, please. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [3] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposal to split WP:EPISODE into a more general notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (serial works), and make the rest of WP:EPISODE just a MOS guideline. Please join in at WT:EPISODE#Proposed split of EPISODE and/or Wikipedia talk:Notability (serial works). -- Ned Scott 22:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I started a discussion in Talk:List of characters in Heroes#Merge Graphic Novel characters. Please check. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 09:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I have put GA nominee Elle Bishop on hold and left some notes on the talkpage. Since User:Lindsey8417 hasn't been active in the past seven days, I leave an extra note here. Please see my GA review notes at Talk:Elle Bishop and address them within the enxt seven days. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 10:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
there are currently 20 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)
I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.
If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 16:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
The list of Heroes graphic novels makes abundant use of external links within the article and I brought this up at the apropos guideline's talk page; see and discuss here ( Wikipedia talk:External links#inline external links). — pd_THOR | =/\= | 23:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm already embroiled in a discussion about the name of Peter's power and I can only see this growing as the new season starts. In an effort to stem the flow of cruft and redundant arguments taking up the talk pages I was proposing to Arcayne that we organize the past talk page discussions into topics we can then link to so new people can be referred to old discussions. He has reservations about this but I would like more input. What do various people think would be a good way to address the various new editors bringing up old arguments? padillaH ( review me)( help me) 14:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Can we agree to stop putting information from the commercials, or other insignificant sources, into the articles? The big problem is the information they add has no context so it doesn't add anything to the article. Commercials are, by there very definition, made to mislead and tantalize people. How many people tuned in to see who shot J.R. only to find out it was a dream? I cannot count the number of times a commercial has decried some character or other is going to die when, in fact, they don't die and the season goes on much the same as before. So either the commercial will force the viewer to commit OR, or the commercial will be taken at face value and provide no more information than "Man was standing in a dessert". Neither of which does us any good. padillaH ( review me)( help me) 17:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Heroes participants... WikiProject Media franchises needs some help from other projects which are similar. Media franchises' scope deals primarily with the coordination of articles within the hundreds if not thousands of media franchises which exist. Sometimes a franchise might just need color coordination of the various templates used; it could mean creating an article for the franchise as a jump off point for the children of it; or the creation of a new templating system for media franchise articles. The project primarily focuses on multimedia franchises. It would be great if some of this project's participants would come over and help the project get back on solid footing. Also, if you know of similar projects which have not received this, let Lady Aleena ( talk · contribs) know. Please come and take a look at the project and see if you wish to lend a hand. You can sign up here if you wish. Thank you. LA @ 21:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Heroes participants... WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA ( T) @ 22:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
How do I add my name to the WikiProject? Thanks and Happy Editing! ⊥m93 ( TALK) 20:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
...is up for deletion here. Please share your input. — Edokter • Talk • 16:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I think the article about D. L. Hawkins has to be deleted. All information in there is in-universe. There is no real world information, references, etc. I don't see any notability outside the series. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 14:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth having a separate article for the character Meredith Gordon? I followed up on what I thought was some blanking vandalism to List of characters in Heroes by a new user ( Seer-sensei), only to work out that he/she was attempting to split off the info on this character into its own article. As such, I'm wondering whether I was too quick to revert. -- Skarl 21:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Righto. I've pointed the editor towards this thread in case they want to ask questions about this, rather than leaving them in the dark. -- Skarl 23:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I have created this. Is it of use to any article?
Arthur Petrelli | Angela Petrelli | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Meredith Gordon | Nathan Petrelli | Heidi Petrelli | Peter Petrelli | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Claire Bennet | Monty Petrelli | Simon Petrelli | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lizzie Harrison 14:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I have marked references in the episode list whose links don't work with the {{dead link}} Template. Remove it after you find suitable refs. Gman124 talk 04:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
My DishNetwork was out over the weekend (got fixed Tuesday morn), can you guys stop putting new content in the Heroes articles until I have a chance to watch the new episode on Saturday? Please? For me?!? Padillah ( talk) 19:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've made an article for fan site Heroes Wiki in my userspace, which I have proposed moving to the mainspace. You can see it now at User:MiamiVolts/Heroes Wiki. Discussion on the move is at User talk:MiamiVolts/Heroes Wiki. I think it might be a good idea to reference it on the Heroes (TV series) article after the move.-- MiamiVolts ( talk) 10:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I added reference for this new content at the Heroes Evolutions page. Since November 2008, there have been three volumes with each volume containing four to six chapters. Assuming the iStory will continue, we may wish to consider adding a new page for them at some point.-- MiamiVolts ( talk) 19:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering what the feeling is here. Is it really necessary to add a "Heroes Wiki" link to every character article, especially given that we have an article about the site? Would it be better to add a link to the HW article in the template? Following yesterday's issues surrounding the initial addition, I have temporarily removed the links until the regulars can weigh in. So, thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 09:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Was going to try to weed out the in-universe information in the character articles as they are a mess, but feel this would go over better with an in-universe wiki link. I am going to move away from this, too much hassel, delete template its okay. Ejfetters ( talk) 18:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Most of the character pictures have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 March 3. – thedemonhog talk • edits 01:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Guys, we've got to come to some sort of agreement on the length and breadth of the character articles. They are, almost every one, editorial-laden, in-universe, fan-cruft. This is from a recent addition to Claire Bennet:
In "1961," Angela is finally revealing to Claire, Noah, and her sons Nathan and Peter the secrets that have haunted her for over 4 decades.
What kind of smarmy crap is that? Great for TV Guide, not for what is supposed to be an encyclopedia. My problem is if I start trimming I know in my heart I'm just gonna get reverted "because it's important to the character". Is there anyone that agrees we need to start trimming? Or am I gonna have to fight tooth and nail for every edit? (This is on Talk:Heroes_(TV_series) also. I didn't know which was best.) Padillah ( talk) 17:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I looked through the archives and didn't see anything on this so forgive me if I've overlooked it. I went ahead and added an image to Hysterical Blindness (Heroes) because it looks like most TV episodes have an image, but none of the others from this season do. but it looks like the articles from past seasons do. So is there some consensus for or against images or have these last few from this season just been missed? Eddie's Teddy ( talk) 01:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I have recently created a new navbox for Heroes episode pages (click here to view). It is an amalgamation of all the current navboxes into a single format which lists the links to all Heroes episodes through season numbers and volume titles. I believe that this would allow for more freedom in navigation between episode pages because the current method is not as convenient. However, Edokter believes that it is too cluttered to be used. I thought it might be helpful to bring this to the attention of the Heroes WikiProject members do determine what measures should be taken in this matter. I invite Edokter to elaborate on his position if he feels that is necessary. If a consensus is reached and the template shall not be used, then of course it should be deleted immediately. If it is to be used, we should decide whether its current format is suitable or whether it should be changed, as well, we should decide whether we do want to use it on the episode pages, or whether there is another way in which it can be used. Snake Chess 5 22:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how many people monitor WP:MOSTV or even WP:TV (the basic WikiProject for all of us), but we've been trying to get some feedback on additions to the TV Manual of Style. It largely has to do with the inclusion of "Overview" tables at the start of the page, the order in which season lists are presented (currently, there is no concrete order), and what is considered too much info for DVDs (i.e. should we be placing every detail about the box set in the article, from each interview to the aspect ratio, or should be keep it more generalized). Please see discussion at WT:MOSTV#Updates to the MOS. Thank you. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
This article was recently created (at Heroes (Season 1), which I've moved and merged since). In my view, it duplicates much of it's information from Heroes (TV series) and List of Heroes episodes. My prod has been contested, but I'd like to hear more opinions wether it should be taken to AfD. — Edokter • Talk — 01:22, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion Here about the use of screens shots in character articles, we need more views, to see what the consensus is. RAIN*the*ONE BAM 15:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Im intrested in being in the Heroes show if there s more seasons coming up ,,i would like for Tim Kring to take this into considerations n look me up on face book n give me this opportunity that u mite not regret Tim,,I dont have any experience or acting background but I wanna would love to be an actor n when I like something that im interested in doing I master it so plz give me a chance to be a part of ur amazing show or any other Work! Thanx
Samer MRehin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.0.154 ( talk) 10:29, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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I am Lex94, member of WikiProject Professional Wrestling, WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Disambiguation, WikiProject Puerto Rico, WikiProject Computers and Videogames and I have just joined Wiki Project Heroes! Looking forward to editing and contributing to this project. Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 00:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I joined the Project, and I immediately noticed that the Project page was uneven, plain and didn't even link to the talk page. So, I kind of made a new layout.
Project Page - Please give opinions on layout
Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 02:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Talk:Genesis (Heroes)#Genesis or In His Own Image? Wikipedian 01:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I have asked RMHED ( talk · contribs) to explain his mass tagging of all Heroes episodes with the {{ notability}} tag. Personally, I think it's rediculous. But reverting seems pointless, as he already mass-reverted Ckatz once. — Edokter • Talk • 15:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I brought all this up above, in a call for massive reduction and reworking of the episodes. It was met with silence. As such, I support the notability tags. Project apathy is high, hopefully these will stimulate a response. ThuranX ( talk) 19:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I just created Category:WikiProject Heroes Members, but it needs some cleaning up --Is this fact... ? 11:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I recently attempted to condense the biography on Claire Bennet's page, but I have received little response on my attempt (posted at Talk:Claire Bennet/Temp). However, I would like to bring to the attention of the project the overly detailed biographies of all the Heroes characters. As with episode summaries, we should not summarize each and every detail of each episode for each character, but rather provide a general summary of events. Each episode can, for the most part, be condensed to two to three sentences for a character. Agree/disagree/comments? -- iTocapa t 19:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
If we were to just condense the first season, we would end up with something that looks similar to the main article's plot summary, in which the second season is several times larger than the first. I'm just putting that out there. -- iTocapa t 02:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there anyone out there who would be able to create family trees for the characters? Family information is fairly important since they've all been screwing around and it is no longer in the charcaters' infoboxes. I'd do it myself but I am not enough of a technowizard. Thanks asyndeton talk 13:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
How does everyone feel if the episode summaries were condensed into a list, rather than prose, basically listing the major plot points of the episode, rather than having them as detailed as they current are? Example:
Powerless
What does everyone thing of this method? If you dont like it, we still do it in prose, just make the articles less detailed, because they are currently very long.-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 22:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm going into this discussion with some trepidation, though I was wondering if the "now-deleted-and-redirected-here Symbolism/Recurring Elements/ Mythology page ( List of elements in Heroes ) " could be re-instated? It was swiftly deleted and redirected to this main page in November and I just didn't have the energy to argue it. To clarify, I think the section on this main page looks great and uncluttered, I don't think that should change. However, I am now noticing that some folks are now re-adding the deleted info to this main page and are starting to mess with it's pretty little format, thus giving us more cleanup to keep up with. I'm wondering if it isn't too much to re-instate a separate place for them to add that info (in an encyclopedic and verifiable way of course) so that those who are looking for it, have a reference and an outlet. I personally like having a separate article available as a reference. Thoughts? Thanks. I will drop this issue if I'm outvoted. I've also posted this to the main Heroes page. Magkaz ( talk) 19:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Shortly after the second season concluded, I wrote an essay which outlined my concerns for the Heroes articles on Wikipedia. I deliberately delayed posting it until now because the past week has been finals for me, and I knew I would be too busy to respond to the discussion. Anyway, I have posted the essay here. I encourage all editors on this project to take a look at it.
I know that many of you will think me arrogant and/or controlling for this, but this is merely me trying to express what I think the direction of this project should be. As mentioned, I wrote this about a week-and-a-half ago, and some things have changed which I may have not noticed since then. Please inform me of this. When you find anything you disagree with (and I am sure you will), please note it either here or on a user talk page. Thank you for listening to my concerns. -- iTocapa t 21:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why this hasn't been noticed by more people. -- iTocapa iChat 00:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I have devised a new format however a number of users have undone the editing i had started. Would these people please explain why they have done this and then a proper correct discussion can take place. ( Electrobe ( talk) 11:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
PLease note that if i do not recieve any answers to this page within 2 days i will resume my editing formatt and if i am stopped i will report the people stopping me as vandals ( Electrobe ( talk) 11:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
Please note that i tried to create discussion pages which i constantley told you about and you did not reply so in my eyes you were in effect vandals. And that i have not issused any threats asuch, the closest to a threat i have made is saying that if no one relplies and then tries to stop me editing i will treat them as a vandal( Electrobe ( talk) 12:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
Thankyou. Really my idea makes a very minute change to how the pages work and really i dont see why it caused such a fuss in the first place but anyhow this isn't the time. All that is different is that each series has its own section and alternative histories/futures are added into the section as sub-sections. The word/s Plot or Character History are no longer needed. That is all i have ever tried to do and the accusations that i have deleated information and misspelled words are incorrect becasue the longest sentence i have written so far is Volume 1 - Generations. I hope you will except my changes as it will, i believe, greatly improve the presentation of the page/s ( Electrobe ( talk) 14:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
Your idea is hard to understand. Each Series gets its own section? do you mean each episode? Each Season? each Volume? On which articles would this new format apply? character, episode, themes, overview, all? How does removing Wikipedia-wide established sections like Plot and Character History and using Alternate Future and Alternate Histories improve the articles? What would the overall framework be in your new format? Currently, articles often use a lead para, Character history, and where we have it, real world context, including production attitudes, writing history, actor's approach, and so on. How does your format improve upon this? ThuranX ( talk) 17:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Alternative future/histories are currently in use already. and i would have thouhgt the word series would have given you a clue to what the sections would have been split into. Basicually this new format is identical to the old one bar the fact that the word plot isn't there anymore. I know it doesn't sound very different and it isn't i didn't think it was even worth creating a discussion page for its so mino an edit but a few people seemed to go rather over to top about the whole think and started accusing me of all sorts of thinks like rewritng the article. To answer your other question on which characters would this new format be used on as this is the Heroes page i would have thouhgt that was pretty obvious. Next time think before you speak/type .( Electrobe ( talk) 18:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
It cant be explained any simplier, the word plot is deleted. and what is this about an unacceptable tone? im merely fustrated that when you ask me what pages this would apply to and we are discussing this on a Hereos page it cant be any clearer.( Electrobe ( talk) 20:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC))
It doesn't matter. I've been following this and I think I understand your meaning. I don't relish it, the way we have it is fine. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 21:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Right then so nobody minds if i go ahead then? I will begin the update straight away. ( Electrobe ( talk) 17:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC))
I dont see what relavence that has to me editing a page. ( Electrobe ( talk) 17:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC))
I have noticed that for a lot of new shows, a ratings table for individual episodes has been put into the "list of episodes" page. I think this would be great for Heroes. Most of the individual articles already have the ratings and sources ready, so all we would have to do is insert them in the table. We may not be able to find ratings for all episodes straight away, but I believe if we work together we can do it.....wow that sounded so inspirational! ;) For example, have a look at the page for 30 Rock. I think that would be great to achieve. ( Wikirocks2 ( talk) 07:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC))
See Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Heroes episodes. Thanks, – thedemonhog talk • edits 19:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Nobility of Heroes: Saving Charlie needs to be established. I want to upload the cover, but I will not bother if no one has any intentions of adding information with links to interviews and reviews, in which case the article should be deleted. So, is someone going to save Saving Charlie? – thedemonhog talk • edits 20:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC) P.S. I invite you to comment at Talk:List of characters in Heroes.
This concerns the "List of heroes comics" article.
In the lastest Heroes comic, a character who looks like Bob Bishop (I.E. fat, balding w/glasses) turns someone into gold, something that Bob Bishop has done in the past. For a comparision, check out this photo. [1] In addition to this, the EE photo is of Bob Barker. User:QuasiAbstract disagrees with the identification of this as Bob Bishop, because although it fits Bob's criteria, its not identified.-- CyberGhostface ( talk) 04:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
i'll make the changes back to not having Bob mentioned. Salamander Yes 69.225.179.162 ( talk) 05:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Members of this project may wish to review the dicussions ongoing here - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Better Halves. Please bear in mind that WP:EPISODE is under dispute. Catchpole ( talk) 09:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Given that the above deletion discussion will likely end up as "no consensus", do you guys think that you're ready to redirect whichever ones that do not assert notability? TTN ( talk) 13:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, be aware I originally redirected the above article, only to have it reverted by Edokter ( talk · contribs), "Revert redirect/contest PROD. Please send to Articles for Deletion." — pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
What is the reason for having a seperate list of characters with abilities from the list of characters? Other than the length, I can't see I point to having the seperation. QuasiAbstract ( talk) 16:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I just trimmed down Sylar's synopsis, and the alternate future section seemed to take up unnecessary weight. It's mainly covered within one episode, a few comics, and a few minor glimpses throughout other episodes, so it seems best just to let Five Years Gone handle the information. Is that fine, or is that the project standard. Sylar could also use some more trimming and a good copyedit/fact checking if anyone feels up to it. TTN ( talk) 00:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [2]. Even if you have not, other opinions are needed because this issue is affecting all TV episodes in Wikipedia. -- Maniwar ( talk) 23:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know where I can find some out of universe information on the mythology of Heroes? Like interviews, press releases etc. Not about the recurring elements, but the mythology of the Heroes world and the mythological elements. Also, I need some out of universe information on The Company. It has been tagged for so long, and I have had a difficult time finding third party information from newspapers, mags, interviews and press releases.-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 05:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I have finished the Mythology section. I sourced everything and I hope everyone enjoys it. Please, Please, Please take some time to go over to the page and shred through it. It needs some work, but I think I laid a good foundation. It will need to be checked for verifiability, OR, POV, spelling/grammar and all that good stuff. Some sections may not have enough weight or too much weight. please help improve that too. Please take some time to help improve the article and place any tags that need to be placed. Dont just go and start deleting some stuff, like some users do. Rather, go over to the page and improve it!! Lets all work together. Also, I dont know how to cite ref correctly, so if anyone wants to fix all the lazy refs I did, that needs work as well. I hope it is a qaulity article. I tried not to put any OR or POV in it, but it happens. Its all in good faith of course. Enjoy the page and please take some time to help make improvements! Mythology of Heroes-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 04:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
A request for a new peer review has been made. If you have time in your day, please head over to the Heroes Main Page and submit your comments on the peer review page for improvements to the articles and the Heroes WP as a whole. Heroes Peer Review-- Chrisisinchrist ( talk) 05:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I refer to, of course, the assignment of super-powers from the list of superpowers. Many of the heroes' abilities have never been named via citation, and it seems to me to set a dangerous precedent in allowing editors to suss out and reason away which power to assign. Even if there is consensus that Monica Dawson has "photographic reflexes" (this used to be termed muscle memory and a few other terms), consensus doesn't overcome synthesis. In fact, i would argue that the assignment of these powers in accordance to the wiki list is the very definition of synthesis. If we allow this, we open the door to some ass-clown in the future seeking to legitimize their own synthesis and using Heroes as a precedent. We have to look beyond this one article and wikiproject. Someone help me understand this, please. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [3] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposal to split WP:EPISODE into a more general notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (serial works), and make the rest of WP:EPISODE just a MOS guideline. Please join in at WT:EPISODE#Proposed split of EPISODE and/or Wikipedia talk:Notability (serial works). -- Ned Scott 22:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I started a discussion in Talk:List of characters in Heroes#Merge Graphic Novel characters. Please check. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 09:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I have put GA nominee Elle Bishop on hold and left some notes on the talkpage. Since User:Lindsey8417 hasn't been active in the past seven days, I leave an extra note here. Please see my GA review notes at Talk:Elle Bishop and address them within the enxt seven days. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 10:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
there are currently 20 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)
I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.
If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 16:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
The list of Heroes graphic novels makes abundant use of external links within the article and I brought this up at the apropos guideline's talk page; see and discuss here ( Wikipedia talk:External links#inline external links). — pd_THOR | =/\= | 23:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm already embroiled in a discussion about the name of Peter's power and I can only see this growing as the new season starts. In an effort to stem the flow of cruft and redundant arguments taking up the talk pages I was proposing to Arcayne that we organize the past talk page discussions into topics we can then link to so new people can be referred to old discussions. He has reservations about this but I would like more input. What do various people think would be a good way to address the various new editors bringing up old arguments? padillaH ( review me)( help me) 14:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Can we agree to stop putting information from the commercials, or other insignificant sources, into the articles? The big problem is the information they add has no context so it doesn't add anything to the article. Commercials are, by there very definition, made to mislead and tantalize people. How many people tuned in to see who shot J.R. only to find out it was a dream? I cannot count the number of times a commercial has decried some character or other is going to die when, in fact, they don't die and the season goes on much the same as before. So either the commercial will force the viewer to commit OR, or the commercial will be taken at face value and provide no more information than "Man was standing in a dessert". Neither of which does us any good. padillaH ( review me)( help me) 17:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Heroes participants... WikiProject Media franchises needs some help from other projects which are similar. Media franchises' scope deals primarily with the coordination of articles within the hundreds if not thousands of media franchises which exist. Sometimes a franchise might just need color coordination of the various templates used; it could mean creating an article for the franchise as a jump off point for the children of it; or the creation of a new templating system for media franchise articles. The project primarily focuses on multimedia franchises. It would be great if some of this project's participants would come over and help the project get back on solid footing. Also, if you know of similar projects which have not received this, let Lady Aleena ( talk · contribs) know. Please come and take a look at the project and see if you wish to lend a hand. You can sign up here if you wish. Thank you. LA @ 21:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Heroes participants... WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA ( T) @ 22:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
How do I add my name to the WikiProject? Thanks and Happy Editing! ⊥m93 ( TALK) 20:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
...is up for deletion here. Please share your input. — Edokter • Talk • 16:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I think the article about D. L. Hawkins has to be deleted. All information in there is in-universe. There is no real world information, references, etc. I don't see any notability outside the series. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 14:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth having a separate article for the character Meredith Gordon? I followed up on what I thought was some blanking vandalism to List of characters in Heroes by a new user ( Seer-sensei), only to work out that he/she was attempting to split off the info on this character into its own article. As such, I'm wondering whether I was too quick to revert. -- Skarl 21:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Righto. I've pointed the editor towards this thread in case they want to ask questions about this, rather than leaving them in the dark. -- Skarl 23:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I have created this. Is it of use to any article?
Arthur Petrelli | Angela Petrelli | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Meredith Gordon | Nathan Petrelli | Heidi Petrelli | Peter Petrelli | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Claire Bennet | Monty Petrelli | Simon Petrelli | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lizzie Harrison 14:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I have marked references in the episode list whose links don't work with the {{dead link}} Template. Remove it after you find suitable refs. Gman124 talk 04:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
My DishNetwork was out over the weekend (got fixed Tuesday morn), can you guys stop putting new content in the Heroes articles until I have a chance to watch the new episode on Saturday? Please? For me?!? Padillah ( talk) 19:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've made an article for fan site Heroes Wiki in my userspace, which I have proposed moving to the mainspace. You can see it now at User:MiamiVolts/Heroes Wiki. Discussion on the move is at User talk:MiamiVolts/Heroes Wiki. I think it might be a good idea to reference it on the Heroes (TV series) article after the move.-- MiamiVolts ( talk) 10:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I added reference for this new content at the Heroes Evolutions page. Since November 2008, there have been three volumes with each volume containing four to six chapters. Assuming the iStory will continue, we may wish to consider adding a new page for them at some point.-- MiamiVolts ( talk) 19:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering what the feeling is here. Is it really necessary to add a "Heroes Wiki" link to every character article, especially given that we have an article about the site? Would it be better to add a link to the HW article in the template? Following yesterday's issues surrounding the initial addition, I have temporarily removed the links until the regulars can weigh in. So, thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 09:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Was going to try to weed out the in-universe information in the character articles as they are a mess, but feel this would go over better with an in-universe wiki link. I am going to move away from this, too much hassel, delete template its okay. Ejfetters ( talk) 18:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Most of the character pictures have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 March 3. – thedemonhog talk • edits 01:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Guys, we've got to come to some sort of agreement on the length and breadth of the character articles. They are, almost every one, editorial-laden, in-universe, fan-cruft. This is from a recent addition to Claire Bennet:
In "1961," Angela is finally revealing to Claire, Noah, and her sons Nathan and Peter the secrets that have haunted her for over 4 decades.
What kind of smarmy crap is that? Great for TV Guide, not for what is supposed to be an encyclopedia. My problem is if I start trimming I know in my heart I'm just gonna get reverted "because it's important to the character". Is there anyone that agrees we need to start trimming? Or am I gonna have to fight tooth and nail for every edit? (This is on Talk:Heroes_(TV_series) also. I didn't know which was best.) Padillah ( talk) 17:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I looked through the archives and didn't see anything on this so forgive me if I've overlooked it. I went ahead and added an image to Hysterical Blindness (Heroes) because it looks like most TV episodes have an image, but none of the others from this season do. but it looks like the articles from past seasons do. So is there some consensus for or against images or have these last few from this season just been missed? Eddie's Teddy ( talk) 01:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I have recently created a new navbox for Heroes episode pages (click here to view). It is an amalgamation of all the current navboxes into a single format which lists the links to all Heroes episodes through season numbers and volume titles. I believe that this would allow for more freedom in navigation between episode pages because the current method is not as convenient. However, Edokter believes that it is too cluttered to be used. I thought it might be helpful to bring this to the attention of the Heroes WikiProject members do determine what measures should be taken in this matter. I invite Edokter to elaborate on his position if he feels that is necessary. If a consensus is reached and the template shall not be used, then of course it should be deleted immediately. If it is to be used, we should decide whether its current format is suitable or whether it should be changed, as well, we should decide whether we do want to use it on the episode pages, or whether there is another way in which it can be used. Snake Chess 5 22:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how many people monitor WP:MOSTV or even WP:TV (the basic WikiProject for all of us), but we've been trying to get some feedback on additions to the TV Manual of Style. It largely has to do with the inclusion of "Overview" tables at the start of the page, the order in which season lists are presented (currently, there is no concrete order), and what is considered too much info for DVDs (i.e. should we be placing every detail about the box set in the article, from each interview to the aspect ratio, or should be keep it more generalized). Please see discussion at WT:MOSTV#Updates to the MOS. Thank you. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
This article was recently created (at Heroes (Season 1), which I've moved and merged since). In my view, it duplicates much of it's information from Heroes (TV series) and List of Heroes episodes. My prod has been contested, but I'd like to hear more opinions wether it should be taken to AfD. — Edokter • Talk — 01:22, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion Here about the use of screens shots in character articles, we need more views, to see what the consensus is. RAIN*the*ONE BAM 15:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Im intrested in being in the Heroes show if there s more seasons coming up ,,i would like for Tim Kring to take this into considerations n look me up on face book n give me this opportunity that u mite not regret Tim,,I dont have any experience or acting background but I wanna would love to be an actor n when I like something that im interested in doing I master it so plz give me a chance to be a part of ur amazing show or any other Work! Thanx
Samer MRehin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.0.154 ( talk) 10:29, 11 March 2012 (UTC)