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I've created a template for the infobox, based off of the one here. - UtherSRG 01:27, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I am the creator of WikiProject Buffy and would like to use this guide to organize Buffy/Angel episodes. I am adding a link to my project. Are there plans to turn this entire page format into a template? Thanks! Che Nuevara 9:13P 24 April 05
Even though this Project has been Inactive for a long time, I say it should not be killed of just yet. I say this in light of recent renewed activity in Portal:Television, WikiProject_Television and several other Television pages. It seems that with the increasing popularity of certain Key TV series, people are finally starting to come together on formatting issues etc. It will just take a while longer before this trickles down to the Individual Episode level. The DJ 04:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I found the more general {{ Episode navigation}} bottom article navigator. Do we advertise it's use here? The same kinda goes for {{ TVep}}.
If somebody is interested in Justice League Unlimited, please go to the List of Justice League episodes to help fix that page, some users refuse to create article per episodes, even though they know the existence of this project and well developed pages like those.-- T-man, the wise 02:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, can we add some guidelines for naming TV eps this is basically my criteria But if that's going to be valid (or not) it should be explain tn this page (the article, not in the talk page).
My vote is for Not using parenthesis clarification, if there is nothing else called that way (as everything else works on wikipedia if there is no disambiguation). That's also informative, as readers can infer whether the title of the episode comes from something else or it is a cultural reference..-- T-man, the wise 08:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, but there IS a consensus in Dr. Who, and it's against patenthesis.-- T-man, the wise 08:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I just got green light from Nehrams2020 to write the naming guideline. I came up with this:
If there is no disambiguation, the name of the article should be the episode title written with the corresponding capital letters.
Examples (from Lost):
When disambiguation is needed, the name will also include a parenthesis clarification with the title of the series.
Examples:
This helps to identify cultural references in episode titles.
...how ever I'm not a native English speaker, if I missed something, go ahead, and modify it (get crazy, haha :P).-- T-man, the wise 22:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
WP:TV-NC says: "Where an article is created about a single episode, add the series name in parentheses if there are other articles by the same name, e.g. Bart the Genius, but The Sting (Futurama). For Star Trek episodes, always add the series name." - If you wanna clarify that, fine by me. Both in TV-NC and in the Wikiproject TV-eps. -
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The single-episode articles for these are severely lacking. Could the members here please lavish some care onto them? Ta. -- Jamdav86 20:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Can someone tell me what "Significance in arc" means? Specifically the "arc" part?? This is a phrase I've never heard. Seems like on the EUReKA episode pages it is being used to call out significant events that are part of the story line, but the "arc" part is throwing me. Should a more obvious term be used?-- P Todd 21:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Arc is parlance used to discuss the stories that arch over multiple episodes. In Eureka, the mention of arc presupposes that there will be come conspiracy theory. The X-files is one of the first shows to use the term "arc" in discussing the stories, but it is now in fairly common usage. Transcendentalstate 23:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
TrackerTV has created a barnstar proposal relating to Broadcasting. I would really appreciate it if interested people could give an opinion here.-- Ed 20:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
People are taking consensus against the conventions in this page. Votes are needed to keep the work up in that page. These people (I think most of them don't even get any work done on the article, just criticize) don't want neither expand the synopsis on the episode list nor create articles per episode and it happens in most cases. -- T-man, the wise 06:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
There is currently a five part shouting match going on over at Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag over whether or not there should be an option to adjust the infobox color scheme. if your interested please weigh in. Argash | talk | contribs 20:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the project is listing trivia as one of the standards for the articles. I think this is a bad idea, as trivia sections are generally frowned upon in Wikipedia. Any article that goes through peer review these days is asked to remove the trivia sections by integrating relevant points into the prose and deleing irrelevant points. Jay32183 14:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I just posted this on WT:LOE and thought I would mention it here as well:
-- Ned Scott 20:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Requesting comments for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#Name suffix - a debate over the use of disambiguation titles for episode articles of a TV show when no disambiguation is needed. -- Ned Scott 20:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Update: the discussion has now evolved: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)#RfC Episode Article Naming conventions - a debate over the use of disambiguation titles for episode articles of a TV show when no disambiguation is needed. Also, when disambig titles are used for episode articles should they be (ShowName) or (ShowName episode). All are invited to join the discussion and give their input. -- Ned Scott 02:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I can think of only one series this applies to, and that is Battlestar Galactica, however, there may be more. Can anyone point me in the direction of a convention for naming episodes when two or more series have the same title, but were made at different times? Currently, for example, we have Take the Celestra (Battlestar Galactica) and Act of Contrition (Battlestar Galactica), both using the usual naming convention, except that the former is from the original 1978 series and the latter from the 2004 remake. Only The Hand of God (Battlestar Galactica) is disambiguated any further because that episode title occurs in both versions. My own personal suggestion, as a starting point for discussion, is for the above examples to become, respectively, Take the Celestra (Battlestar Galactica 1978) and Act of Contrition (Battlestar Galactica 2004). Note that I am not a big fan of making double parenthethis in article names, which is why I did not put them around the years, but if this is an issue, perhaps a hyphen instead? -- BlueSquadronRaven 22:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I thought I'd check in here, as I've just had to start a deletion review over an episode article that was deleted on the grounds that, according to guidelines, episodes with more than one part should be included entirely within the same article. Can anyone cite or otherwise verify this for me, or is it a load of hooey? -- BlueSquadronRaven 22:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Since I am not a member of this WikiProject, what is the conensus on episode articles. Should shows like game shows or wrestling shows have episode guides or yearly/season guides (i.e. "Deal or No Deal season 2" or "WWE RAW 2003")? What is the consenus for these? TJ Spyke 04:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Episode listing A good plot description covering major story arcs is much more important then a list of episodes. For most TV shows, creating separate articles for each and every episode is not desired. Expansion of episodic information should be proportional to the series' noteworthiness, and progress as follows:
Does that provide an answer for you? CovenantD 06:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a section in the project page titled TV shows currently using these guidelines, but the page doesn't actually identify what the guidelines are or where they can be found. The page needs to be rephrased to take that into account. -- Metropolitan90 06:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The page was deleted as the result of an AfD debate, clearly there was no consensus to delete it and so I have taken the page to DRV - see: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_January_12#Nothing to Lose (Heroes). thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The above referenced article is being considered as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. Any editor who would be interested in helping to improve this article should indicate their support there. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a list of Episode infobox templates that add next to nothing over the "standardized" {{
Infobox Television episode}} template and should be taken under consideration for deletion/merging etc. Please use striketrough if one of these cases was handled.
So far over 35 showspecific infoboxes have been merged/deleted. ( See an older version of this list )
Episode templates with fictional universe information in the infobox. These should be checked for the seperation of fictional vs. non-fictional information. Many Star Trek boxes etc. have this same problem.
Episode templates with season listings. These things only add eplists with seasons. This can possibly be handled by the standard box as well if we wanted. we could perhaps even add a new param to add this lists into the standard box. (These templates are derivs of the more general navigational template: {{ Infobox episode list}}
TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 17:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I have posted my ideas on how to tackle color in Template:Infobox Television episode. I think I have proposed the most clean solution that can be given, and I hope you guys will comment my ideas. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 21:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking about tackling a few of those Infoboxes with Season listings. What do you guys think. Add a "Season list" param to the central box or shall I just convert them to all use the Prev/Next system ? The biggest problem here is The Simpsons btw. The fact that this show uses this type of template seems to inspire a lot of other newly created templates.
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Since I concluded that it's unlikely i'll get enough concensus about adding color to the infobox, by just discussing it in our little group, I have TfD'ed 10 templates that use color and add nothing else, to see if there is enough concensus to remove that color instead. Should be an interesting discussion. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 16:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I just experimented with a "Season list" param for this template to clear the way to remove all the showspecific infoboxes which are based on these "season navigators". Please see the code here: User:TheDJ/SandboxTemplate2 and a demo of the template in both usage methods on User:TheDJ/Sandbox. It seems to work really well at first sight. Please let me know what you think. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 02:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Just for the project's interest, an editor has done a batch AFD nomination for a number of Gilmore Girls episode articles here, using rationale that could set precedent to get most other episode articles deleted. 23skidoo 23:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe there is a common problem with the articles on the episodes of The Sopranos, in that they all have too large an episode plot recap section, which needs to be addressed. I started a discussion on that, and would be very grateful if you participated at the List of The Sopranos episodes talk page. Thanks! Gimlei 04:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Seriously, you'd of thought people would be seeing the big picture by now :-\ ([ [1]]) thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
grumble grumble.. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pieface (The Buzz on Maggie episode) thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Action stations, action stations. Set condition one throughout the wiki This is not a drill. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mind Games (Spider-man) thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
... is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/24 season 6 episodes. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Can an expert on Family Guy help clean up these cruft lists? I realize Family Guy refers to many popular things (known as pop culture references, or simply cultural references), but it's not notable to list them all. I've tagged many of the articles for too much trivia: which the references clearly are. For a full list of episodes (which I'm sure most have huge lists of cultural references/trivia): Category:Family Guy episodes. This is a good example of why television episode articles shouldn't be on Wikipedia: cluttered lists of fan cruft that doesn't get cleaned, just added on to. I've posted this on the regular Television Project talk page as well: so hopefully a few people can help clean these cluttered lists. RobJ1981 07:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
One is at AfD, I've valiantly entered into the debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Switch (NCIS). thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey. I've placed Pilot (The 4400 episode) for peer review, could anybody give me any feedback at Wikipedia:Peer review/Pilot (The 4400 episode)/archive1? Cheers. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Ned Scott recently moved WP:LOE into WP:TV and made it a Taskforce of that project. I suggest we do that with this project as well, and then reorder the main WP:TV page as I suggested on it's talk page. The reason is that many of the same people work on these same projects, and having it all in one will help to centralize (and keep active) discussion, as well as centralizing the information the editors might need to find. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 20:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know if a plot summary should be cited? I see that different people have different opinions about this, but is there a concrete policy or guideline to follow? -- Maitch 20:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The reason I asked is because I recently nominated Cape Feare for FAC and I didn't cite any sources. I see now that some people are failing good article candidates for not citing the summary, but it hasn't come up in the FAC. Up to this point I have only heard that is wasn't necessary, but it could be there was a change in policy somewhere. -- Maitch 20:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, project folks! I have used the infobox for a Nip/Tuck episode ( Megan O'Hara). I'd really like to make articles for all 59 eps and standardize/improve the few episodes that have information. If anyone else is interested, there's a useful List of Nip/Tuck episodes chart/page. Also, I was wondering: How might I modify the infobox to insert something like "Procedure Performed" on the titular patient (for O'Hara, it would be Breast reconstruction)? Polymathematics 01:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that for the plot summary section, it should be called "Plot" according to the WikiProject guidelines. However, I looked at some of the featured articles, and they have the same section but it is titled "Synopsis." Which one is correct? -- Fernandobouregard 00:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Journey of a Thousand Miles Jay32183 22:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Had I know there was a plan to merge all That's So Raven episodes, I would've voted against it. Where was the discussion on this? ---- DanTD 17:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
DanTD: The concensus is formulated as a guideline at WP:EPISODE. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 18:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a bit of news, consensus has been reached at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who#Italics_vs._quotation_marks regarding the issue of Doctor Who and Torchwood episodes being formatted differently.
The history behind it - in the original Doctor Who series, each series was comprised of a number of serials, and each serial was comprised of several episodes. Originally serial names were formatted with italics and episode names with quotation marks. Upon the new Doctor Who (2005 onwards) leaving the serial format, and going to the format used by most TV series - a single episode is a story with a single title - the episodes took the serial formatting - that is, italics, not quotes. When Torchwood started last year, it followed the same pattern.
The consensus is to use quotation marks for episode titles of the "new" Doctor Who and Torchwood, therefore conforming to the style standard of Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episodes. -- Chuq (talk) 01:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on articles for each Saturday Night Live episode? I have constructed a model article for Scarlett Johansson/Bjork. Vast information is available on every episode on many database sites. List any thoughts on the format/etc. here. Weatherman90 00:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know that User:TTN is blanking episode pages and redirecting them to the main series page, believing that they ALL contravene WP:EPISODE. In the past 24 hours he has done this to Yes, Minister, Yes, Prime Minister, Foyle's War, The Cosby Show, Cupid, Iron Man, Twin Peaks, Nip/Tuck... now I've got bored of looking through his contributions history. Some people are going to get very angry if consensus is not reached regarding what constitutes a good episode page, and when they should be used. Gwinva 06:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there nothing that can be done about this? Regardless of where one stands on the issue, the manner in which it is being handled is completely unacceptable. TTN isn't even willing to listen to the concerns of others - this is one sample comment left in response:
""Who really cares if people don't agree with what I do? Anyone that does disagree is a major inclusionist like yourself or a fan. Frankly, their opinions do not matter."
This is *not* how Wikipedia should operate. -- Ckatz chat spy 02:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know another reason why this is stupid? Because soon there's going to be so much information on the main pages of these shows, that we're going to have to bring the episodes themselves back. They should all just be left in place, and improved so they'll meet the current standards. ---- DanTD 02:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
You probably shouldn't be using Wiki as a source anyway. It technically wouldn't fall under its own requirements for "reliable sources". lol. TTN's efforts do alienate many, but it seems odd that we would cast the burden of "helping the project" on him, when few of us on this project have done anything to "help" the episodes. Expanding plots isn't helpful, and adding trivia that wouldn't normally be found in a episode article that reaches FA status isn't helpful. The blame lies with everyone here. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not working! TTN and his supporters are winning! Angie Y. 11:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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I've created a template for the infobox, based off of the one here. - UtherSRG 01:27, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I am the creator of WikiProject Buffy and would like to use this guide to organize Buffy/Angel episodes. I am adding a link to my project. Are there plans to turn this entire page format into a template? Thanks! Che Nuevara 9:13P 24 April 05
Even though this Project has been Inactive for a long time, I say it should not be killed of just yet. I say this in light of recent renewed activity in Portal:Television, WikiProject_Television and several other Television pages. It seems that with the increasing popularity of certain Key TV series, people are finally starting to come together on formatting issues etc. It will just take a while longer before this trickles down to the Individual Episode level. The DJ 04:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I found the more general {{ Episode navigation}} bottom article navigator. Do we advertise it's use here? The same kinda goes for {{ TVep}}.
If somebody is interested in Justice League Unlimited, please go to the List of Justice League episodes to help fix that page, some users refuse to create article per episodes, even though they know the existence of this project and well developed pages like those.-- T-man, the wise 02:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, can we add some guidelines for naming TV eps this is basically my criteria But if that's going to be valid (or not) it should be explain tn this page (the article, not in the talk page).
My vote is for Not using parenthesis clarification, if there is nothing else called that way (as everything else works on wikipedia if there is no disambiguation). That's also informative, as readers can infer whether the title of the episode comes from something else or it is a cultural reference..-- T-man, the wise 08:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, but there IS a consensus in Dr. Who, and it's against patenthesis.-- T-man, the wise 08:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I just got green light from Nehrams2020 to write the naming guideline. I came up with this:
If there is no disambiguation, the name of the article should be the episode title written with the corresponding capital letters.
Examples (from Lost):
When disambiguation is needed, the name will also include a parenthesis clarification with the title of the series.
Examples:
This helps to identify cultural references in episode titles.
...how ever I'm not a native English speaker, if I missed something, go ahead, and modify it (get crazy, haha :P).-- T-man, the wise 22:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
WP:TV-NC says: "Where an article is created about a single episode, add the series name in parentheses if there are other articles by the same name, e.g. Bart the Genius, but The Sting (Futurama). For Star Trek episodes, always add the series name." - If you wanna clarify that, fine by me. Both in TV-NC and in the Wikiproject TV-eps. -
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The single-episode articles for these are severely lacking. Could the members here please lavish some care onto them? Ta. -- Jamdav86 20:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Can someone tell me what "Significance in arc" means? Specifically the "arc" part?? This is a phrase I've never heard. Seems like on the EUReKA episode pages it is being used to call out significant events that are part of the story line, but the "arc" part is throwing me. Should a more obvious term be used?-- P Todd 21:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Arc is parlance used to discuss the stories that arch over multiple episodes. In Eureka, the mention of arc presupposes that there will be come conspiracy theory. The X-files is one of the first shows to use the term "arc" in discussing the stories, but it is now in fairly common usage. Transcendentalstate 23:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
TrackerTV has created a barnstar proposal relating to Broadcasting. I would really appreciate it if interested people could give an opinion here.-- Ed 20:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
People are taking consensus against the conventions in this page. Votes are needed to keep the work up in that page. These people (I think most of them don't even get any work done on the article, just criticize) don't want neither expand the synopsis on the episode list nor create articles per episode and it happens in most cases. -- T-man, the wise 06:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
There is currently a five part shouting match going on over at Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag over whether or not there should be an option to adjust the infobox color scheme. if your interested please weigh in. Argash | talk | contribs 20:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the project is listing trivia as one of the standards for the articles. I think this is a bad idea, as trivia sections are generally frowned upon in Wikipedia. Any article that goes through peer review these days is asked to remove the trivia sections by integrating relevant points into the prose and deleing irrelevant points. Jay32183 14:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I just posted this on WT:LOE and thought I would mention it here as well:
-- Ned Scott 20:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Requesting comments for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#Name suffix - a debate over the use of disambiguation titles for episode articles of a TV show when no disambiguation is needed. -- Ned Scott 20:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Update: the discussion has now evolved: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)#RfC Episode Article Naming conventions - a debate over the use of disambiguation titles for episode articles of a TV show when no disambiguation is needed. Also, when disambig titles are used for episode articles should they be (ShowName) or (ShowName episode). All are invited to join the discussion and give their input. -- Ned Scott 02:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I can think of only one series this applies to, and that is Battlestar Galactica, however, there may be more. Can anyone point me in the direction of a convention for naming episodes when two or more series have the same title, but were made at different times? Currently, for example, we have Take the Celestra (Battlestar Galactica) and Act of Contrition (Battlestar Galactica), both using the usual naming convention, except that the former is from the original 1978 series and the latter from the 2004 remake. Only The Hand of God (Battlestar Galactica) is disambiguated any further because that episode title occurs in both versions. My own personal suggestion, as a starting point for discussion, is for the above examples to become, respectively, Take the Celestra (Battlestar Galactica 1978) and Act of Contrition (Battlestar Galactica 2004). Note that I am not a big fan of making double parenthethis in article names, which is why I did not put them around the years, but if this is an issue, perhaps a hyphen instead? -- BlueSquadronRaven 22:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I thought I'd check in here, as I've just had to start a deletion review over an episode article that was deleted on the grounds that, according to guidelines, episodes with more than one part should be included entirely within the same article. Can anyone cite or otherwise verify this for me, or is it a load of hooey? -- BlueSquadronRaven 22:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Since I am not a member of this WikiProject, what is the conensus on episode articles. Should shows like game shows or wrestling shows have episode guides or yearly/season guides (i.e. "Deal or No Deal season 2" or "WWE RAW 2003")? What is the consenus for these? TJ Spyke 04:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Episode listing A good plot description covering major story arcs is much more important then a list of episodes. For most TV shows, creating separate articles for each and every episode is not desired. Expansion of episodic information should be proportional to the series' noteworthiness, and progress as follows:
Does that provide an answer for you? CovenantD 06:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a section in the project page titled TV shows currently using these guidelines, but the page doesn't actually identify what the guidelines are or where they can be found. The page needs to be rephrased to take that into account. -- Metropolitan90 06:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The page was deleted as the result of an AfD debate, clearly there was no consensus to delete it and so I have taken the page to DRV - see: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_January_12#Nothing to Lose (Heroes). thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The above referenced article is being considered as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. Any editor who would be interested in helping to improve this article should indicate their support there. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a list of Episode infobox templates that add next to nothing over the "standardized" {{
Infobox Television episode}} template and should be taken under consideration for deletion/merging etc. Please use striketrough if one of these cases was handled.
So far over 35 showspecific infoboxes have been merged/deleted. ( See an older version of this list )
Episode templates with fictional universe information in the infobox. These should be checked for the seperation of fictional vs. non-fictional information. Many Star Trek boxes etc. have this same problem.
Episode templates with season listings. These things only add eplists with seasons. This can possibly be handled by the standard box as well if we wanted. we could perhaps even add a new param to add this lists into the standard box. (These templates are derivs of the more general navigational template: {{ Infobox episode list}}
TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 17:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I have posted my ideas on how to tackle color in Template:Infobox Television episode. I think I have proposed the most clean solution that can be given, and I hope you guys will comment my ideas. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 21:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking about tackling a few of those Infoboxes with Season listings. What do you guys think. Add a "Season list" param to the central box or shall I just convert them to all use the Prev/Next system ? The biggest problem here is The Simpsons btw. The fact that this show uses this type of template seems to inspire a lot of other newly created templates.
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Since I concluded that it's unlikely i'll get enough concensus about adding color to the infobox, by just discussing it in our little group, I have TfD'ed 10 templates that use color and add nothing else, to see if there is enough concensus to remove that color instead. Should be an interesting discussion. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 16:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I just experimented with a "Season list" param for this template to clear the way to remove all the showspecific infoboxes which are based on these "season navigators". Please see the code here: User:TheDJ/SandboxTemplate2 and a demo of the template in both usage methods on User:TheDJ/Sandbox. It seems to work really well at first sight. Please let me know what you think. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 02:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Just for the project's interest, an editor has done a batch AFD nomination for a number of Gilmore Girls episode articles here, using rationale that could set precedent to get most other episode articles deleted. 23skidoo 23:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe there is a common problem with the articles on the episodes of The Sopranos, in that they all have too large an episode plot recap section, which needs to be addressed. I started a discussion on that, and would be very grateful if you participated at the List of The Sopranos episodes talk page. Thanks! Gimlei 04:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Seriously, you'd of thought people would be seeing the big picture by now :-\ ([ [1]]) thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
grumble grumble.. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pieface (The Buzz on Maggie episode) thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Action stations, action stations. Set condition one throughout the wiki This is not a drill. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mind Games (Spider-man) thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
... is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/24 season 6 episodes. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Can an expert on Family Guy help clean up these cruft lists? I realize Family Guy refers to many popular things (known as pop culture references, or simply cultural references), but it's not notable to list them all. I've tagged many of the articles for too much trivia: which the references clearly are. For a full list of episodes (which I'm sure most have huge lists of cultural references/trivia): Category:Family Guy episodes. This is a good example of why television episode articles shouldn't be on Wikipedia: cluttered lists of fan cruft that doesn't get cleaned, just added on to. I've posted this on the regular Television Project talk page as well: so hopefully a few people can help clean these cluttered lists. RobJ1981 07:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
One is at AfD, I've valiantly entered into the debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Switch (NCIS). thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey. I've placed Pilot (The 4400 episode) for peer review, could anybody give me any feedback at Wikipedia:Peer review/Pilot (The 4400 episode)/archive1? Cheers. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Ned Scott recently moved WP:LOE into WP:TV and made it a Taskforce of that project. I suggest we do that with this project as well, and then reorder the main WP:TV page as I suggested on it's talk page. The reason is that many of the same people work on these same projects, and having it all in one will help to centralize (and keep active) discussion, as well as centralizing the information the editors might need to find. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 20:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know if a plot summary should be cited? I see that different people have different opinions about this, but is there a concrete policy or guideline to follow? -- Maitch 20:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The reason I asked is because I recently nominated Cape Feare for FAC and I didn't cite any sources. I see now that some people are failing good article candidates for not citing the summary, but it hasn't come up in the FAC. Up to this point I have only heard that is wasn't necessary, but it could be there was a change in policy somewhere. -- Maitch 20:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, project folks! I have used the infobox for a Nip/Tuck episode ( Megan O'Hara). I'd really like to make articles for all 59 eps and standardize/improve the few episodes that have information. If anyone else is interested, there's a useful List of Nip/Tuck episodes chart/page. Also, I was wondering: How might I modify the infobox to insert something like "Procedure Performed" on the titular patient (for O'Hara, it would be Breast reconstruction)? Polymathematics 01:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that for the plot summary section, it should be called "Plot" according to the WikiProject guidelines. However, I looked at some of the featured articles, and they have the same section but it is titled "Synopsis." Which one is correct? -- Fernandobouregard 00:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Journey of a Thousand Miles Jay32183 22:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Had I know there was a plan to merge all That's So Raven episodes, I would've voted against it. Where was the discussion on this? ---- DanTD 17:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
DanTD: The concensus is formulated as a guideline at WP:EPISODE. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 18:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a bit of news, consensus has been reached at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who#Italics_vs._quotation_marks regarding the issue of Doctor Who and Torchwood episodes being formatted differently.
The history behind it - in the original Doctor Who series, each series was comprised of a number of serials, and each serial was comprised of several episodes. Originally serial names were formatted with italics and episode names with quotation marks. Upon the new Doctor Who (2005 onwards) leaving the serial format, and going to the format used by most TV series - a single episode is a story with a single title - the episodes took the serial formatting - that is, italics, not quotes. When Torchwood started last year, it followed the same pattern.
The consensus is to use quotation marks for episode titles of the "new" Doctor Who and Torchwood, therefore conforming to the style standard of Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episodes. -- Chuq (talk) 01:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on articles for each Saturday Night Live episode? I have constructed a model article for Scarlett Johansson/Bjork. Vast information is available on every episode on many database sites. List any thoughts on the format/etc. here. Weatherman90 00:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know that User:TTN is blanking episode pages and redirecting them to the main series page, believing that they ALL contravene WP:EPISODE. In the past 24 hours he has done this to Yes, Minister, Yes, Prime Minister, Foyle's War, The Cosby Show, Cupid, Iron Man, Twin Peaks, Nip/Tuck... now I've got bored of looking through his contributions history. Some people are going to get very angry if consensus is not reached regarding what constitutes a good episode page, and when they should be used. Gwinva 06:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there nothing that can be done about this? Regardless of where one stands on the issue, the manner in which it is being handled is completely unacceptable. TTN isn't even willing to listen to the concerns of others - this is one sample comment left in response:
""Who really cares if people don't agree with what I do? Anyone that does disagree is a major inclusionist like yourself or a fan. Frankly, their opinions do not matter."
This is *not* how Wikipedia should operate. -- Ckatz chat spy 02:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know another reason why this is stupid? Because soon there's going to be so much information on the main pages of these shows, that we're going to have to bring the episodes themselves back. They should all just be left in place, and improved so they'll meet the current standards. ---- DanTD 02:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
You probably shouldn't be using Wiki as a source anyway. It technically wouldn't fall under its own requirements for "reliable sources". lol. TTN's efforts do alienate many, but it seems odd that we would cast the burden of "helping the project" on him, when few of us on this project have done anything to "help" the episodes. Expanding plots isn't helpful, and adding trivia that wouldn't normally be found in a episode article that reaches FA status isn't helpful. The blame lies with everyone here. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not working! TTN and his supporters are winning! Angie Y. 11:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)