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I propose that the IMDb and TV.com sections of Infobox Television should be removed. The reasoning is that the infobox should not favour IMDb or TV.com as credible external links. The amount of traffic that television show articles receive is high, and linking to commercial entities in infoboxes is a form of advertising. It is also anti-competitive for these two commercial websites to receive high amounts of traffic via wikipedia, as opposed to competitors that provide similar services. There is also no justification for the links' existance in the main infobox, when they also appear in the external links section. Please continue discussion below. Thanks. Stickeylabel 11:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused. Are we talking about removing, or about moving ? -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 02:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the IMDb and TV.com sections of Infobox Television due to the concensus reached. Stickeylabel 08:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
As I've said on the other talk page, we should move these links out of the infobox and put them in the EL section. -- Ned Scott 06:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This is the large consensus? - Peregrine Fisher 06:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you guys want to make such a simple issue into such a pain. It's sloppy, it looks bad, and the reasons to include it are weak. If you guys want to go by numbers alone, we've got four editors to seven, which means remove has 63% support. Wikipedia:Consensus says 60% can be considered consensus. I've left messages at the village pump and WP:RFC, so maybe we'll get some more feedback from there. -- Ned Scott 06:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying that the Pro EL section people are incorrect in their assessments, it's just that I think the links are also useful in the Infobox. Some points i would like to mention
Policies and guidelines in Wikipedia are not set in stone. I know people want to avoid favouratism and similar behaviour popping up in other non-tv/film articles, but this is the kind of "weeding" the guidelines were not intended for in my eyes. The fact is when it comes to TV articles in general, there are no more reliable, complete and independant sources then tv.com and imdb.com. As sad as that might be. If any, the fact that we currently need to favor these sites, might be more of an incentive for "independant and reliable" sources to be created by other people. I would love to link tviv.org for example, but they are just an episode guide unfortunately. They lack even more of the required aspects of a source than imdb.com and tv.com do. Something i'm open for might be to change the way the links are represented in the infobox. Make them less of a visual focus point, or something. Don't have any ideas about that yet, but I'll think about it. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 13:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
We need help over at the Sopranos big time. Barnstars for anybody who can siginificantly help me (and the other editors of course) get the article up to at least GA status. Aaron Bowen 21:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This section has caused confusion within the Wikipedia Television community. I have always seen the "Original Channel" meaning the channel which the show was first broadcast, regradless of future channel changes for the show. Cause of debate over this has been with the Neighbours article. The show started on Channel Seven and switched to Channel Ten one year later. Only Channel Seven is mentioned in the infobox. Now a new debate has started with Kath & Kim which has switched from ABC TV to Channel Seven. Is there a guideline to what should be included or hasn't this been discussed yet. Maybe a rename of the section should occur. What do others think? -- Lakeyboy 05:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed on Day Break episodes, that a few users claim a long summary is needed (so they just instantly remove the plot tag I place). Since when did Wikipedia become a complete guide to episodes? It should be a summary, shouldn't it? Day Break was around 40 minutes per show, and the summaries for all the episodes I've seen are massive and certainly should be condensed. I don't see any reason Wikipedia needs episode guides to every detail. With the exception of word-by-word dialouge: the Day Break episode articles seem to be complete guides in my opinion. One example: Pilot (Day Break). For the whole list: Category:Day Break episodes. Any help would be appreciated, as I'm getting tired of seeing the plot tags removed due to a few editors thinking guides to the episodes should exist. Also I've noticed the same trend for some Lost episodes as well. I don't see any reason Wikipedia needs these massive episode guides: a summary is just fine. RobJ1981 04:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic.
But, Wikipedis is not a substitution for watching a show/movie; so, you still cannot have a plot that is scene for scene, even if it only consists of about 10% of the article. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 10:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I've assessed each of the articles for Day Break this morning and requested addition of the other sections we recommend and an attempt to copy edit and reduce the size of the articles, hope that helps.-- Opark 77 11:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
When you say "mass tagging" what do you mean? The recent assessments I did or the initial plot summary tags both involve use of a template over several pages. I say we should do both of these things and also give notice at the main show article where appropriate. If something needs to be done we can't really overstate that it needs doing, tags are one way of encouraging constructive edits, notes on the related articles talk page are another means to this end. Both have pros and cons. I believe tags are a lot harder to ignore but using talk pages is a much more personable approach.-- Opark 77 16:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello, everyone. I've just expanded this article. I'd be grateful if folks would take a look and edit my purple prose. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 06:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I think we should create a centralized page for keeping track of Lists of episodes and other TV pages that have massivle amounts of text copied from TV.com and other sites. I've been removing the summaries when I se them, but I think something organized is in order because there's a lot of them. What do people think? - Peregrine Fisher 18:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
A proposal to explcitly limit the use of fair use images in Featured Lists is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria#Fair Use images. This is especially relevant to this Wikiproject, as many TV-related lists use fair use images (particularly screenshots). Your input would be apreciated. Tompw ( talk) 21:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, the issue has been brought up in WP Films of what we consider films and what not. Surely television films is a common area between our projects, but we are unsure about TV series and TV miniseries. For TV series, I take it that they are basically TV films in a few (but how many exactly?) parts. Please correct me if I am wrong. So there remains the question of TV miniseries. Category:Television miniseries has only parent Category:Television programs. However many mistakes in categorizing such articles as films happen and lately even a whole subcategory Category:Canadian television miniseries was assigned to parent Category:Canadian television films. So before we start any cleanup, it would be good to have these points clear between our projects. Hoverfish Talk 23:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
TV miniseries: I am confused. I read the definitions in the article. The broader one sais more than two parts. Yet several 2-parts even get awarded as miniseries. H2O (miniseries) is one example (awards as per imdb link). Any enlightening comment would be of help. Thanks. Hoverfish Talk 14:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone care to comment on the validity of the above concepts? - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently decided to delete all reference marks at List of Top Gear episodes because of irrelevance to the actual TV episodes and more in tune with "behind the scences fancruft" and already I got gang rushed by other editors that want to keep that stuff in. Aside from properly citing references, one of the references clearly tries to shore up a "Behind the Scences" trivia tidbit which is never mentioned in the episode itself. I know i'm partially at fault for not making my intentions clear, but am I right in assuming that the references might violate Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information?? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 06:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The current list has gotten too big so it needs to be split up. Also it doesn't use templates so its a bitch to edit. I've done some work at my sandbox and at CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (season 1), but I could really use a hand here. Sandtiger 22:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any way to automatically generate a list of these articles, as the Film WikiProject does? I think adding infoboxes is a really good way to encourage non-project members to start contirbuting. Gillian416 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering what the general opinion of these sections in single episode articles is in this project. Yesterday, I was shown that various Simpsons episode articles, including featured ones, contain cultural references sections. These are condoned by the Simpsons project, as shown here. The problem with them are that they're just glorified trivia sections. They do contain various points are valid and productive to point out, but that's why the articles also contain development/production sections.
I can see for the inclusion of the sections if the episode truly calls for it (the huge impact of some South Park episodes), but not for every piece of information that can be sourced. The reasons for keeping the sections boil down to "it's useful", "why not", and such that are used for trivia sections all of the time. So, I'm just wondering if I have a point, or if I'm just sort of rambling. Nemu 15:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if anyone here could lend a hand at the Judge John Deed article, specifically with the broadcast history section, which needs expanding with international premiere dates. Ta. WindsorFan 13:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
After several failed attempts to ban screenshots from episode lists, images on other Featured Lists are now being removed by some administators. See the administrator board at WP:AN#Clean up for the featured ones for examples and surrounding discussion.-- GunnarRene 18:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Are we now targeting DVD covers as well? I've already seen one person remove the DVD cover images from the
List of Smallville episodes page. I reverted that because I couldn't find anything in the "unacceptable" section of the "Non-free images" guideline that justified their removal (especially considering that, apart from the title card in the article, they are the only images on the entire page). Was there something I missed in that new guideline, or are we going a bit overboard with the removal of non-free images?
BIGNOLE
(Contact me) 02:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
My esperience with some lists has made me come to the conclusion that a crucial concensus on the issues of screenshot images per episode' and articles per episode is needed.
Fistly, I must remind all interested people that concensus doesn't involve voting at all. We must put all the cards on the table, we must quote here all the significant guidelines that support each point of view in a clear way. And for that purpose I suggest copypasting in italics the most important part of the existing guidelines that defend our poits of view and [[WP:Indicate the page where we found them]].
Seconly, I'll explain both problems:
(the Articles per Episode situation was solved thanks to Ned Scott's quotes. Focus on the image thing--
T-man, the wise 05:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC))
Thanks for your attention. -- T-man, the wise 05:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Just thinking to myself recently that there are some to-do's in mind for the WP:LOE templates ( Template:Episode list and Template:Japanese episode list)
Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 22:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
You aren't going to force the sortable thing on all LOEs are you? I can't stand that. I can see the value for shows there were released in a different order then they were filmed (although that would take some good research to find RS that verify when they were filmed), but not for general LOEs that usually film in the order in which they are released. Can is be made so that you can adjust each sortable column individually, while keeping the others where you sort them? Right now, when you sort one column on Haruhi, the other two revert back to their default state. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
How many LOEs actually have a different chronological order, DVD order, and anachronical order for each of the areas? You answered my question awhile ago when you said that it would be those that fit the bill, so everything is irrelevant. Especially when I just stop and think about it, and I see that it isn't confusing really, just looks more confusing when you just click the sort thing and aren't paying attention. BIGNOLE (Contact me)
I'm growing increasingly worried with the problem of sourcing TV articles/LOEs, etc. For example, people see fit to remove secondary sources from episodes after they've aired... this is not good, I'm the first to admit that primary sources are perfectly fine... but removing secondary sources? Then there's stuff that's never sourced. Any uncited information should be removed, aggressively [1] if we are to produce quality articles. Matthew 22:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
In general I see this is a problem, but for the episode number, people can count the episodes. 22 is 22 no matter how you slice it. Is the same website being used to cite the title, number, dates etc?? If it's the basic information about the show (title, date, etc), I would think that I simple link to the official website (if it exists) or to another reliable source would suffice. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I got that, but you admitted that episodes are self citing, just like films, when it comes to the basic information about them. So, at what point does an episode lose/gain that self citing ability? At one point do we say "sorry you have to provide a source for the title of this episode", or "no, it's fine, the episode itself is proof that the title is ...., or that it's number ..."? Never? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
If you haven't already, go check out the talk on Template:Episode list. The template has been changed to exclude images, which has had the unforseen effect of altering layout. Episode lists may need to be corrected and adjusted. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it really neccesary to note in an article when something appeared in Family Guy? I see this all over the place and it's really annoying. Jtrainor 23:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone believes a person who got the first question wrong on the US Who Wants to be a Millionaire deserves their own article, and appears to be engaged in either sock or meatpuppetry to argue against the speedy delete. Can I request some people from this project come and comment on this matter please? DarkSaber2k 09:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
How is posting on another blog to rally other forum members (trolling) to sway your opinion not a offence somehow? — RX82004 ( talk • contribs) has made no other edits outside this topic.
Aquaman (TV program) is up for FAC. I believe that Project TV could deliver some harsh critiquing of the article, something it needs in order to better itself. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
He guys. Well over a year ago I tried to revitilize this project. With several editors we have seen some improvements stemming from our work, but all in all it has just not proven worth it. I'm sorry I have to do this, but i'm leaving this WikiProject, my involvement with any fictional topic, guideline, template etc. The problem is that I feel other editors are not taking me seriously for being part of this project. My edits and discussion in other areas, especially where it concerns copyright and image policies are being flatly ignored or marked as a "it's another TV guy", if I don't agree with them. I feel that I cannot edit freely enough within wikipedia by being part of this project and I care a lot about my freedom. I will probably focus myself more on space and software related articles. I wish everyone a lot of joy and pleasure trying to improve the Television articles and I'm sure the project will be instrumental in solving all the issues that we currently have. I'll just won't be part of it. Bye -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed several shows that over the past year have accumulated extremely large tables of international broadcasters. I don't have a problem with these tables as it is very relevant information, however these tables can and do take up a TON of space on the shows main article page. Here is a list of several shows that have these tables so that you can see what I'm talking about:
As you can see there is three main ways of dealing with these lists. Table form, text only, or not at all. Personally I don't think these lists belong on the main article and should be either put on the accompanying List of Episodes for that show or given it's own article. Additionally I think that the format should be standardized into the table format and a template created to make it easier to build the lists for new shows as they premier. Finally lets not turn this into any kinda of vote, just weigh in with your thoughts and lets see where we stand for now.
-- Argash | talk | contribs 08:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
"Broadcasters" ( example) should be removed — these change constantly and are outdated quickly, so they can never become encyclopedic. Removed these from Family Guy [2] (with some resistance [3]) and Sex and the City [4]. Relevant policies:
Similar sections certainly can be found in other articles. Without addressing any specific article, these should probably all be removed as well. / edg ☺ ★ 00:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I've removed broadcasters lists from the following:
More interestingly, I've nominated International broadcasters for 24 (TV series) (a stand-alone article) in Articles for Deletion. This should get us a few more opinions, and maybe a precedent. / edg ☺ ★ 01:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Deletion of international broadcasters list (entitled Around the world) is currently being challenged in Talk:Scrubs (TV series). / edg ☺ ★ 00:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
New, typically angry challenge to deleting International Broadcasters in Talk:Heroes (TV_series)#The_international_broadcaster_list. Typical objections: disputes all previous decisions, says there is insufficient precedent, and that this has nothing to do with WP:NOT. Should I take this to another forum for discussion? Tired of debating this repeatedly. / edg ☺ ★ 03:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
There's been a lot of precedent for these lists to be deleted. Most recently, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International broadcasters for 24 (TV series) decided to delete solely on grounds of Wikipedia is not a directory (AKA Wikipedia is not an electronic program guide). This is significant because this suggests the lists themselves are unencyclopedic, whether or not they are subject to becoming outdated (per WP:DATED, mentioned in the nomination but not in the deletion decision).
(Whoever disagrees with this decision can take it up on Wikipedia:Deletion review, but a really solid argument should be presented for any attempt to overturn precedent.)
The WikiProject Countering systemic bias concern for writing articles from an "international perspective" was brought up in defense of broadcasters lists. This got little traction.
Delete these tables/lists on sight. Within broadcasts sections, preserve only:
Otherwise, these lists don't belong on Wikipedia. / edg ☺ ★ 08:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
WP:ALLORNOTHING is a typical objection to this deletion, so I'll add these as I find them to document it's "all".
Not sure what all the fuss is about, but WP:ANIME solved this problem via hide/show in an infobox. -- Ned Scott 04:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on articles for each Saturday Night Live episode? I have constructed a model article for Scarlett Johansson/Bjork. Vast information is available on every episode on many database sites. List any thoughts on the format/etc. here. Weatherman90 00:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it needs to be determined which ones are notable. Otherwise we'll have 10 times as many articles than we normally would for just an article on an episode. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we have spoiler warnings in articles or not? Discussion on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Spoiler warning. -- Ned Scott 04:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a proposed merger going on at Smallville season 1. It's in regards to the episode articles. Though I'd let everyone know here. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
In light of the discussion here, I am opening it here.. Anyway, there are debates going around whether to keep or remove the 'International' airings area of many TV programme articles. So, express whether you want to keep the international airings, or delete.. Cheers—Illyria05 Ring• Contrib. 16:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am assembling a list of Nielsen ratings pages from 1999-present. I currently have the link of them for the seasons of 2001-2002, 2002-2003, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, and 2006-2007. These links will be for say someone wants to add a U.S. television ratings section for seasons 1999-present.. ThanksCheers—Illyria05 Ring• Contrib. 22:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
As per Wikipedia not beeing an indiscriminate collection of information, a list of titles in other languages is unacceptable in an article, is it? — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 21:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know that User:TTN is blanking episode pages and redirecting them to the main series page, believing that they ALL contravene WP:EPISODE. In the past 24 hours he has done this to Yes, Minister, Yes, Prime Minister, Foyle's War, The Cosby Show, Cupid, Iron Man, Twin Peaks, Nip/Tuck... now I've got bored of looking through his contributions history. Some people are going to get very angry if consensus is not reached regarding what constitutes a good episode page, and when they should be used. Gwinva 06:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
The following is a copy of the message I posted at AN/I regarding the redirect issue.
"I'll preface my remarks by saying that AN/I probably isn't the place for a discussion over Wikipedia guidelines. With that in mind, however, the way TTN is proceeding - and the scale of it - should not be permitted until a consensus on the larger issue can be achieved. Whether consciously or not, the Wikipedia community has permitted the creation of these articles, and allowed them to develop and grow - not for days, or weeks, but for *years*. This is not a question of a few random pages that don't meet guidelines - we're talking about literally thousands of pages, and tens of thousands of hours of work by good, solid contributors. We're talking about the Television project, dozens of related sub-projects, and all the rules, guidelines, and procedures developed within those structures with the goal of standardizing content and creating professional product. We're talking about editors who - on a daily basis - struggle to maintain a strong body of pop-culture content. Not only are they having to weed out the constant onslaught of speculation, trivia, and fan-boy debris, but they are also having to work within a community that, to some degree, "looks down" on their efforts as being "less than worthy". (See this note from TheDJ) TTN says "go to TV.com and Wikia" - but that is *not* the same thing. Speaking for myself, if I wanted speculation, fan theories, and "what if" scenarios, sure, I'd go to those sites. That, however, is *not* what I want out of an article, and not what I want to work on. Whether you like pop-culture articles or not shouldn't be the issue here - it should be about showing a certain degree of respect for your fellow Wikipedians. TTN's actions, I'm sorry to say, do not meet that mark." (Ckatz)
I strongly support Gwinva's suggestion that this project *as a whole* should work to develop a solution, rather than having to react to a unilateral action. -- Ckatz chat spy 17:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The Price Is Right (US game show) is up for FAC. Since there haven't been any substantial comments as of yet, I'm looking for a few sharp eyes. So please, c'mon down! — Twigboy 22:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
This article needs massive cleanup, it has multiple trivia sections and a huge lead. Aaron Bowen 23:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone who hasn't done so already should check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episodes and it's talk page. How to handle episode articles that don't pass WP:EPISODE, expanding WP:EPISODE, and more, are currently being discussed, and we're making some great progress. -- Ned Scott 01:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
We need an article for Wraparound (television) to explain what a wraparound is and give notable examples of how they have been used. Articles routinely reference this concept without explanation, and I personally don't know how to explain it to create an article myself. If you use WP's search function for the terms "wraparound" and "television" in the same article, you turn up some 60-70 articles that mention shows that began as wraparounds or notable actors who worked in wraparound segments. This is a technical term and a concept that has a pretty interesting history, especially in early television, and it would be nice to have an article on it if someone knows enough to start a good one. Lawikitejana 02:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure where your project puts notices of TfDs, so I'm posting this here. The template {{ TV-in-universe}} has been nominated for deletion. -- GentlemanGhost 21:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Some of you might be aware of WP:EPISODE, which is our guideline for dealing with articles about an individual episode from a show. Before it had the shortcut WP:EPISODE and the current title, Wikipedia:Television episodes, it was known as Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes [10]. Well, it still says pretty much the same thing as before, but some recent redirecting of episode articles that weren't seen as notable lead us to some new activity on the talk page of WP:EPISODE. We're now looking for input and comments to expanding the guideline at WT:EPISODE#Suggested expansion of guidelines. -- Ned Scott 04:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
There's more discussion recently about schedules & program lists at WT:NOT#Schedules & program lists. Editors are asking for clarification on, and possibly updating, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#DIRECTORY part 3. The policy currently reads:
Directories, directory entries, TV/Radio Guides, or a resource for conducting business. For example, an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, schedules, etc., although mention of major events or promotions may be acceptable. Furthermore, the Talk pages associated with an article are for talking about the article, not for conducting the business of the topic of the article. Wikipedia is not the yellow pages.
Feel free to join in the discussion and give your input. -- Ned Scott 04:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Could any of our experts take a look at expanding/fixing Parker Lewis Can't Lose? (if they can help with Maia Brewton it would be a bonus) PMA 13:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I've copied this from Category talk:1970s American television series and hoped to get some sort of opinion on it. I'm just wondering what qualifies a show for inclusion in this category? The paragraph says that it is shows that originated in the US during the decade and I take that to mean shows that began to air during the '70s. I guess it could also mean just shows that aired during the decade, but it would seem pointless to me for every show to be in a category for every decade that it aired. There are ending categories as well as debut categories for series debuting and ending in certain years, so I would think that as long as a series had those categories it wouldn't need ever other decade that it aired, only the original decade that it started. Any thoughts on this? Phydend 15:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm suggesting that it be modified to be clearer that the article may contain spoilers - that is, it sort of implies it now, but not quite so much. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The WikiProject Television episode coverage taskforce have recently been working on a review process for episode articles. There are a rash of articles about individual episodes which fail notability, and are unlikely to ever reach such requirements. Many contributors are unaware of the specific guidelines to assess notability in episode pages: Wikipedia:Television episodes. We have expanded these guidelines to make them more helpful and explanatory, and we invite you to read the guidelines, and make any comments on its talk page. After much discussion, we have created a proposed review process for dealing with problem articles. See: Wikipedia:Television article review process. We invite discussion of this process on its talk page. General comments about this whole process are welcome at the episode coverage taskforce talkpage. Thanks! Gwinva 10:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This article needs to be restructured into a more accessible format. User:The Tramp was working on a table version, but the best solution would require input from more than one person. Can we get some discussion going on this? -- FuriousFreddy 01:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 4#Template:Dated episode notability -- Ned Scott 07:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Kief Ferrandini and Tom Poston's contestant were NOT the same person! Look at the youtube "things that are enshrined" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RzlY9on_EQ and youtube "new record" http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFyVrGOsVEg. There is not even a remote resemblance. Her name, was actually "Kris". Dick Clark called her by that. ----
Someone from this project may want to take a look at Greek (TV series). It's only had one episode and looks like it needs some standardizing to the format of other tv shows. -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 02:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I think pilots that aren't picked up by networks are notable enough to warrant mentions, but I don't think they deserve their own articles, but how about listing them, descriptions, and their casts on pages such as '2006 CBS Pilots', '2007 FOX Pilots' etc. -- IvanKnight69 14:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, the Scrubs episode " My Musical" article has been put up for peer review here. If anyone here, with your (presumably) special knowledge of Wikipedia television coverage, could contribute anything to the review, it would be greatly apprecitated. Thanks! -- Gpollock 20:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, this is my first post so I hope I am putting this in the correct place. I've looked at the archives but this hasn't been mentioned. This is about the prank which went wrong with all the identical cars in the car park and the woman who sussed it was Jeremy Beadle behind it. As I remember it, this was on Game for a Laugh, not Beadle's About. I am sure Beadle introduced the item saying "does everyone want to see a prank that went wrong?" or words to that effect. I'm sure they then showed it. This is how I remember it, so apologies if this is wrong but someone may wish to check.
Rich680 19:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
A comment by a user on Pinky and the Brain brought up a good point that the article, as written, talks both about the characters and the show. It's near impossible to separate them, so it's more a matter of having something prior to the lead to indicate that the article covers both. I presently used the dablink generic template, but I was wondering if such a situation has occurred before here, and what that solution was, or if there's a better template/message to suit the need. -- Masem 15:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The episodes (from several I noticed): are cluttered with trivia. For a full list, see: Category:Charmed episodes. RobJ1981 06:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
{{ WikiProject Television}} is a little ungainly for a template name. If there were a shorter name it would be more likely that people would remember to put it up. What about {{ tvproj}} (similar to {{ WikiProject Video games}}) or {{ teleproj}}? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 02:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
If you have any DVDs of DuckTales, or recorded episodes, or a channel that shows DuckTales(it doesn't have to be in an English, people not from English-speaking country are more than welcome to help.) please use these sources to help you with the cleanup, and try to clean up. TheBlazikenMaster 09:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm doing an FA for a television episode right now, but then someone complained that I only have ratings for the UK and US. Does anyone know any website where I can find out how many people watched an episode from the following countries: Canada (what's sad is that this is where I live), South Korea, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, New Zealand, Greece, Poland, Australia and Argentina? Please respond if you know anything. -- thedemonhog talk • edits 16:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The Colbert Report is now a Featured Article Candidate here. Since it's within the scope of this wikiproject, I thought anyone interested could take a look and support or oppose. Cheers, Jude. 18:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
*As stated on the
Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas talk page, I have requested that the Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone article be peer-reviewed. I would appreciate any comments from you all as well concerning this article. Here's the internal link to its peer review...
Wikipedia:Peer review/Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone/archive1.
Flyer22 07:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone familiar with Spike TV identify this person with the first name 'Nicole'? Thanks! Videmus Omnia Talk 15:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
In the Format section of Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/How to write an episode article, it says to add a paragraph called Significance, which will "explain the significance the episode has in relation to the series;" however, none of the featured episode articles have such a section? Should they or is the page outdated? -- thedemonhog talk • edits 18:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
A user is creating multiple articles on individual episodes of celebrity deathmatch - there are two problems - 1) the articles are...well... awful, entirely what encyclopedia articles should not be. 2) what is notable about each of those individual episodes? nothing as far as I can see - the show consists of Puppet X vs puppet Y week in, week out - what is really required beyond a single episode guide paper? I'm a little out of touch with the guidelines around individual episode pages but thought they had to demonstrate some level of real-world notability or significant beyond "this exists"? Even if those pages should exist, massive clean-up is required at present. -- Fredrick day 15:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello folks, I'm not a member of this project, but I would like to ask you to take a look at The A-Team. I have recently done some heavy editing on the article, although it's far from finished, I think it's coming along nicely. That however, is my own biased view on the matter, so I'd like a 3rd party opinion, which would be yours. Thoughts? Kusonaga 16:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I have added a section to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Television to contain information on nominations for deletion via the WP:PROD path. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, can we have a taskforce for Frasier. Anyone interested in creating episodes for Frasier or expanding the articles for Frasier, please create this taskforce. Right now, about 80 epiosdes have their own articles. It would be nice if we could have an article for all 264 articles-- 60.234.55.135 20:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I've just created a seperate page proposing guidlines for noteability of Reality TV contestants and if they should have their own articles. I did this due to the mass number of articles being created and deleted on these subjects in recent months, and confusion among editors if they are in fact noteable or not. You can read this here. All edits and comments on the talk page are welcome. Thanks, Dalejenkins | 18:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC).
There is a bug in the infobox template. Every page with it has a "- |}" in it at the very top. Somebody fix it please. vlad§inger tlk 03:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, I started Pregnancy on television in my userspace. Originally I wanted to write about how TV deals with actresses who become pregnant (such as the Hunter Tylo case) and how TV either acknowledges or hides the pregnancy in the fictional universe of the show. However, I've also set aside space for reality pregnancy shows like the ones on Discovery Health. I would appreciate community comments before I finish it up and move it to article space. Thanks! Wl219 03:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to have the feedback of active wikiproject members on the following. Wikipedia has a number of guidelines on articles about fiction, predominantly WP:FICT and WP:WAF. These guidelines have been rewritten some time ago, but this appears to have been done without substantial input from editors who write about fiction.
Guidelines on Wikipedia are supposed to be a description of common practice. At present, however, these guidelines call for the removal of most material that does not include real-world information, which could be read as to include most articles about fictional characters, locations and concepts, such as those about most television series.
This does not reflect actual practice, because Wikipedia has thousands of such articles. Now there's no need for alarm, because to my knowledge, nobody is actually deleting any of this. However, it would be prudent to reword and update the aforementioned guidelines to accurately reflect how, and on which aspects, articles on fiction are written.
Please feel free to update the guidelines as needed, or direct your feedback to their respective talk pages. >Radiant< 10:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
On a season page, should the casting section be under Production or Cast and characters? And should Cast and characters sections simply be a list that states "Actor as Character" or should it be in prose and briefly describe the characters like on the show pages? -- thedemonhog talk • edits 23:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that two episodes are combined into one article at William Gibson's "The X-Files" episodes, and episodes aren't usually (or never?) combined just because they have the same writer. This seems to be the best place to ask. 172.188.223.135 20:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see a task force for Scrubs (TV series). Can I just create one or does it require consensus, etc? Caissa's DeathAngel 14:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion over at Buffy the Vampire Slayer over the name of the article. Some people feel the article should be named as it is, while the competing opinion is that it should be named Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series), per naming conventions. The film with the same title has "(film)" attached, and it came first. Please see the discussion at Talk: Buffy the Vampire Slayer#Page move. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I just had to remove all episode descriptions from Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 1), Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 2), Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 3) because they were blatant copyright violations from http://www.onlygreysanatomy.com (and other sites). I suspect that other popular series' episode descriptions are also in violation. AxelBoldt 15:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I believe TV Squad is a reliable source for television information, but they use the word blog so I'd like help making a determination. They're a part of Weblogs, Inc., like Engadget. This National Business Review article says about Engadget "If that sounds like a magazine, it should. Although it looks like a blog and acts like a blog, Engadget is a webzine (web-based magazine) dressed up like a blog." It says of Weblogs, Inc., "the content areas are covered by people who treat content production as a job." Also, that "An expert writes alone or in conjunction with others about a "hot" topic (gadgets, say), links to outside material and solicits feedback from the readership." They describe the system as "artificially-viral" and as a "blog-like, content-specific, web-only publication." TV Squad is indexed by google news. According to the Weblogs, Inc. site, they're "bloggers" are paid, they have a team of editors, and have a clear separation between advertising and editors. Their also part of AOL now. That's all the info I've been able to find so far, Peregrine Fisher 17:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
(reset indent) This Nemesis review goes into more detail. I agree the reckoning review doesn't have much useful info. I think just like the movie reviews that rotten tomatoes uses, some are going to be better than others. - Peregrine Fisher 19:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Carnivàle has been an FAC for a month now (moving to close), and it has been suffering from chronic non-comments for a while. (I guess part of the reason is that the show is too obscure and was cancelled too long ago to be in the public mind any longer.) A request at WP League of Copyeditors to have a look at the article has not been acted on (I know, they have a lot to do; I don't blame them). I am posting here to ask whether someone could spare a few minutes and give the article an extra pair of eyes. FAC comments are always appreciated (see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carnivàle). Thanks. – sgeureka t•c 12:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
In the past few weeks I've significantly changed this entry. Proof read it, had images apply to fair use law and added a lot more information. Any chance of another rating? bingo99 12 September 2007 10:06 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I've removed the blog and Wikipedia sources and the info they provided. Also I've changed the citations significantly so they're in keeping with Wikipedia:Citation templates. Any chance of another look? - bingo99 14 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has now received 'Good Article' status. I'd be keen for it to be peer-reviewed again, in a hope of it reaching A-Class status, then hopefully Featured Article status. Thanks in advance for any advice or help. - bingo99 20:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking that a Three Stooges Taskforce should be created to help expand and clean-up stooge-related articles. The Three Stooges, in my eyes, are an important part of television. They made 190 Shorts with Columbia. Most, probably all have been shown televison. Not to mention their cartoon series, appearances on shows such as Scooby Doo.
Just my 2 Cents,
DTGardner 18:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
While I love to know more about news themes and think that they could have their own articles and that Wikipedia should have an article on just about everything that people want to know about (why wouldn't it?), the general population of Wikipedia doesn't feel the same way. I noticed that many of the news theme articles (i.e. The X-2 Package, FOX O&O News Theme, etc), are tagged as not being verifiable/notable/referenced/whatever. While they've been marked since July, it's inevitable that someone will notice it and AfD them. So anyway, if I were you, I'd consider a "News theme" article with a link to a "List of news themes" or something like that if AfDs come around. My 2 cents. Peace, -- MPD T / C 03:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I started working on a completely rework of Da Rules article, since it is a total mess. One problem I got when decided to deal with it is a total lack of references. When stating the rules it has, the only source I have for it are the Episodes I've seen, therefore I think it caracterizes as WP:OR. Can I go with it, or what should I do? Samuel Sol 15:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
This article needs extensive work, and there needs to be a List of Police Camera Action! episodes. I'm not really sure how to do such an article on this, so if you can advise me that would be great! This could be a featured article if any editors are willing to work with me to get it to that standard. Thanks, -- Solumeiras talk 10:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Check out COPS (TV series) it's of a similar topic, a reasonably well construed article, but not the most expansive of them. And see some of the other FA rated Television articles mentioned here. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Just recently, a Wikipedia user, Loansince, has started adding these terms ("completed" and "ongoing"), to describe television programs in the first sentences of their articles. (Example: "The Brady Bunch is a completed American television situation comedy, based around a large blended family." [my emphasis].)
To me that just doesn't sound right, and feels unnecessary. The user claims that the terms make it quickly apparant that the show is no longer in production or is still being produced. However, in most of the articles he/she has edited, this info is provided in the following sentences.
You can read some of the user's comments and those of other editors (who feel the same as I) here:
Oh, and you can see their contributions here: Special:Contributions/Loansince
I see that I am not alone is feeling that these terms are unnecessary/redundant. What does everyone else think about this? - NatureBoyMD 01:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh well, some edits you like, some edits you don't like. And while you disagree with them, doesn't mean they don't belong, no matter how much you cry about it. The point is, if I think the edit belongs and it is nto vandalism or anything incorrect, I can put it there. I am sure as heck not going back and reverting all of those edits and it will take a looooooooooooooooooooooooot of work to go back behind me and revert all those 'completed' and 'ongoing' comments. Anyone can edit wikipedia so you can go back behind me and do it if you like. Enjoy that long hard task, but I refuse to discuss this topic or come back to this page any longer because I think the topic is stupid Loansince 06:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
While looking up info for the show, I discovered that this article appears to be almost completely under the control of a 12 year old child, with help from a few 13 and 14 year olds. He appears to be completely dominating any and all edits to the article and not really allowing any one else to deal with it (though he does seem to have relented on the issue of wanting spoiler tags). The article itself is mostly okay, but it could use work (particularly the families section). I also really think it would benefit from an adult taking the article in hand to help control things. I'm not a fan of the show myself, so I thought I would post here to see if someone from the WikiProject for Television might want to take on the tasks.
As a side question, what is Wikipedia's policies regarding children editors? I would think there might be issues with those under 13 because of federal laws? Collectonian 07:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
If anyone would like to weight in, there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Original_Research_and_Spoilers regarding spoilers in non-fiction show articles. More importantly, it is a discussion of what outside resource (if any) can/should be used when discussing the subjects of documentary series to provide additional information about the subjects/"stars" of the show, or if additional information is relevant at all to the article. Collectonian 04:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to ask, can the airdates/end dates posted on TV.com be considered reliable enough for referencing? If not, then do we have a major reliable source for them? — May the Edit be with you, always. ( T| C) 20:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I see. Thanks. — May the Edit be with you, always. ( T| C) 21:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
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I propose that the IMDb and TV.com sections of Infobox Television should be removed. The reasoning is that the infobox should not favour IMDb or TV.com as credible external links. The amount of traffic that television show articles receive is high, and linking to commercial entities in infoboxes is a form of advertising. It is also anti-competitive for these two commercial websites to receive high amounts of traffic via wikipedia, as opposed to competitors that provide similar services. There is also no justification for the links' existance in the main infobox, when they also appear in the external links section. Please continue discussion below. Thanks. Stickeylabel 11:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused. Are we talking about removing, or about moving ? -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 02:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the IMDb and TV.com sections of Infobox Television due to the concensus reached. Stickeylabel 08:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
As I've said on the other talk page, we should move these links out of the infobox and put them in the EL section. -- Ned Scott 06:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This is the large consensus? - Peregrine Fisher 06:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you guys want to make such a simple issue into such a pain. It's sloppy, it looks bad, and the reasons to include it are weak. If you guys want to go by numbers alone, we've got four editors to seven, which means remove has 63% support. Wikipedia:Consensus says 60% can be considered consensus. I've left messages at the village pump and WP:RFC, so maybe we'll get some more feedback from there. -- Ned Scott 06:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying that the Pro EL section people are incorrect in their assessments, it's just that I think the links are also useful in the Infobox. Some points i would like to mention
Policies and guidelines in Wikipedia are not set in stone. I know people want to avoid favouratism and similar behaviour popping up in other non-tv/film articles, but this is the kind of "weeding" the guidelines were not intended for in my eyes. The fact is when it comes to TV articles in general, there are no more reliable, complete and independant sources then tv.com and imdb.com. As sad as that might be. If any, the fact that we currently need to favor these sites, might be more of an incentive for "independant and reliable" sources to be created by other people. I would love to link tviv.org for example, but they are just an episode guide unfortunately. They lack even more of the required aspects of a source than imdb.com and tv.com do. Something i'm open for might be to change the way the links are represented in the infobox. Make them less of a visual focus point, or something. Don't have any ideas about that yet, but I'll think about it. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 13:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
We need help over at the Sopranos big time. Barnstars for anybody who can siginificantly help me (and the other editors of course) get the article up to at least GA status. Aaron Bowen 21:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This section has caused confusion within the Wikipedia Television community. I have always seen the "Original Channel" meaning the channel which the show was first broadcast, regradless of future channel changes for the show. Cause of debate over this has been with the Neighbours article. The show started on Channel Seven and switched to Channel Ten one year later. Only Channel Seven is mentioned in the infobox. Now a new debate has started with Kath & Kim which has switched from ABC TV to Channel Seven. Is there a guideline to what should be included or hasn't this been discussed yet. Maybe a rename of the section should occur. What do others think? -- Lakeyboy 05:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed on Day Break episodes, that a few users claim a long summary is needed (so they just instantly remove the plot tag I place). Since when did Wikipedia become a complete guide to episodes? It should be a summary, shouldn't it? Day Break was around 40 minutes per show, and the summaries for all the episodes I've seen are massive and certainly should be condensed. I don't see any reason Wikipedia needs episode guides to every detail. With the exception of word-by-word dialouge: the Day Break episode articles seem to be complete guides in my opinion. One example: Pilot (Day Break). For the whole list: Category:Day Break episodes. Any help would be appreciated, as I'm getting tired of seeing the plot tags removed due to a few editors thinking guides to the episodes should exist. Also I've noticed the same trend for some Lost episodes as well. I don't see any reason Wikipedia needs these massive episode guides: a summary is just fine. RobJ1981 04:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic.
But, Wikipedis is not a substitution for watching a show/movie; so, you still cannot have a plot that is scene for scene, even if it only consists of about 10% of the article. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 10:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I've assessed each of the articles for Day Break this morning and requested addition of the other sections we recommend and an attempt to copy edit and reduce the size of the articles, hope that helps.-- Opark 77 11:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
When you say "mass tagging" what do you mean? The recent assessments I did or the initial plot summary tags both involve use of a template over several pages. I say we should do both of these things and also give notice at the main show article where appropriate. If something needs to be done we can't really overstate that it needs doing, tags are one way of encouraging constructive edits, notes on the related articles talk page are another means to this end. Both have pros and cons. I believe tags are a lot harder to ignore but using talk pages is a much more personable approach.-- Opark 77 16:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello, everyone. I've just expanded this article. I'd be grateful if folks would take a look and edit my purple prose. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 06:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I think we should create a centralized page for keeping track of Lists of episodes and other TV pages that have massivle amounts of text copied from TV.com and other sites. I've been removing the summaries when I se them, but I think something organized is in order because there's a lot of them. What do people think? - Peregrine Fisher 18:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
A proposal to explcitly limit the use of fair use images in Featured Lists is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria#Fair Use images. This is especially relevant to this Wikiproject, as many TV-related lists use fair use images (particularly screenshots). Your input would be apreciated. Tompw ( talk) 21:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, the issue has been brought up in WP Films of what we consider films and what not. Surely television films is a common area between our projects, but we are unsure about TV series and TV miniseries. For TV series, I take it that they are basically TV films in a few (but how many exactly?) parts. Please correct me if I am wrong. So there remains the question of TV miniseries. Category:Television miniseries has only parent Category:Television programs. However many mistakes in categorizing such articles as films happen and lately even a whole subcategory Category:Canadian television miniseries was assigned to parent Category:Canadian television films. So before we start any cleanup, it would be good to have these points clear between our projects. Hoverfish Talk 23:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
TV miniseries: I am confused. I read the definitions in the article. The broader one sais more than two parts. Yet several 2-parts even get awarded as miniseries. H2O (miniseries) is one example (awards as per imdb link). Any enlightening comment would be of help. Thanks. Hoverfish Talk 14:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone care to comment on the validity of the above concepts? - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently decided to delete all reference marks at List of Top Gear episodes because of irrelevance to the actual TV episodes and more in tune with "behind the scences fancruft" and already I got gang rushed by other editors that want to keep that stuff in. Aside from properly citing references, one of the references clearly tries to shore up a "Behind the Scences" trivia tidbit which is never mentioned in the episode itself. I know i'm partially at fault for not making my intentions clear, but am I right in assuming that the references might violate Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information?? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 06:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The current list has gotten too big so it needs to be split up. Also it doesn't use templates so its a bitch to edit. I've done some work at my sandbox and at CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (season 1), but I could really use a hand here. Sandtiger 22:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any way to automatically generate a list of these articles, as the Film WikiProject does? I think adding infoboxes is a really good way to encourage non-project members to start contirbuting. Gillian416 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering what the general opinion of these sections in single episode articles is in this project. Yesterday, I was shown that various Simpsons episode articles, including featured ones, contain cultural references sections. These are condoned by the Simpsons project, as shown here. The problem with them are that they're just glorified trivia sections. They do contain various points are valid and productive to point out, but that's why the articles also contain development/production sections.
I can see for the inclusion of the sections if the episode truly calls for it (the huge impact of some South Park episodes), but not for every piece of information that can be sourced. The reasons for keeping the sections boil down to "it's useful", "why not", and such that are used for trivia sections all of the time. So, I'm just wondering if I have a point, or if I'm just sort of rambling. Nemu 15:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if anyone here could lend a hand at the Judge John Deed article, specifically with the broadcast history section, which needs expanding with international premiere dates. Ta. WindsorFan 13:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
After several failed attempts to ban screenshots from episode lists, images on other Featured Lists are now being removed by some administators. See the administrator board at WP:AN#Clean up for the featured ones for examples and surrounding discussion.-- GunnarRene 18:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Are we now targeting DVD covers as well? I've already seen one person remove the DVD cover images from the
List of Smallville episodes page. I reverted that because I couldn't find anything in the "unacceptable" section of the "Non-free images" guideline that justified their removal (especially considering that, apart from the title card in the article, they are the only images on the entire page). Was there something I missed in that new guideline, or are we going a bit overboard with the removal of non-free images?
BIGNOLE
(Contact me) 02:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
My esperience with some lists has made me come to the conclusion that a crucial concensus on the issues of screenshot images per episode' and articles per episode is needed.
Fistly, I must remind all interested people that concensus doesn't involve voting at all. We must put all the cards on the table, we must quote here all the significant guidelines that support each point of view in a clear way. And for that purpose I suggest copypasting in italics the most important part of the existing guidelines that defend our poits of view and [[WP:Indicate the page where we found them]].
Seconly, I'll explain both problems:
(the Articles per Episode situation was solved thanks to Ned Scott's quotes. Focus on the image thing--
T-man, the wise 05:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC))
Thanks for your attention. -- T-man, the wise 05:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Just thinking to myself recently that there are some to-do's in mind for the WP:LOE templates ( Template:Episode list and Template:Japanese episode list)
Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 22:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
You aren't going to force the sortable thing on all LOEs are you? I can't stand that. I can see the value for shows there were released in a different order then they were filmed (although that would take some good research to find RS that verify when they were filmed), but not for general LOEs that usually film in the order in which they are released. Can is be made so that you can adjust each sortable column individually, while keeping the others where you sort them? Right now, when you sort one column on Haruhi, the other two revert back to their default state. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
How many LOEs actually have a different chronological order, DVD order, and anachronical order for each of the areas? You answered my question awhile ago when you said that it would be those that fit the bill, so everything is irrelevant. Especially when I just stop and think about it, and I see that it isn't confusing really, just looks more confusing when you just click the sort thing and aren't paying attention. BIGNOLE (Contact me)
I'm growing increasingly worried with the problem of sourcing TV articles/LOEs, etc. For example, people see fit to remove secondary sources from episodes after they've aired... this is not good, I'm the first to admit that primary sources are perfectly fine... but removing secondary sources? Then there's stuff that's never sourced. Any uncited information should be removed, aggressively [1] if we are to produce quality articles. Matthew 22:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
In general I see this is a problem, but for the episode number, people can count the episodes. 22 is 22 no matter how you slice it. Is the same website being used to cite the title, number, dates etc?? If it's the basic information about the show (title, date, etc), I would think that I simple link to the official website (if it exists) or to another reliable source would suffice. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I got that, but you admitted that episodes are self citing, just like films, when it comes to the basic information about them. So, at what point does an episode lose/gain that self citing ability? At one point do we say "sorry you have to provide a source for the title of this episode", or "no, it's fine, the episode itself is proof that the title is ...., or that it's number ..."? Never? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
If you haven't already, go check out the talk on Template:Episode list. The template has been changed to exclude images, which has had the unforseen effect of altering layout. Episode lists may need to be corrected and adjusted. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it really neccesary to note in an article when something appeared in Family Guy? I see this all over the place and it's really annoying. Jtrainor 23:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone believes a person who got the first question wrong on the US Who Wants to be a Millionaire deserves their own article, and appears to be engaged in either sock or meatpuppetry to argue against the speedy delete. Can I request some people from this project come and comment on this matter please? DarkSaber2k 09:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
How is posting on another blog to rally other forum members (trolling) to sway your opinion not a offence somehow? — RX82004 ( talk • contribs) has made no other edits outside this topic.
Aquaman (TV program) is up for FAC. I believe that Project TV could deliver some harsh critiquing of the article, something it needs in order to better itself. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
He guys. Well over a year ago I tried to revitilize this project. With several editors we have seen some improvements stemming from our work, but all in all it has just not proven worth it. I'm sorry I have to do this, but i'm leaving this WikiProject, my involvement with any fictional topic, guideline, template etc. The problem is that I feel other editors are not taking me seriously for being part of this project. My edits and discussion in other areas, especially where it concerns copyright and image policies are being flatly ignored or marked as a "it's another TV guy", if I don't agree with them. I feel that I cannot edit freely enough within wikipedia by being part of this project and I care a lot about my freedom. I will probably focus myself more on space and software related articles. I wish everyone a lot of joy and pleasure trying to improve the Television articles and I'm sure the project will be instrumental in solving all the issues that we currently have. I'll just won't be part of it. Bye -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed several shows that over the past year have accumulated extremely large tables of international broadcasters. I don't have a problem with these tables as it is very relevant information, however these tables can and do take up a TON of space on the shows main article page. Here is a list of several shows that have these tables so that you can see what I'm talking about:
As you can see there is three main ways of dealing with these lists. Table form, text only, or not at all. Personally I don't think these lists belong on the main article and should be either put on the accompanying List of Episodes for that show or given it's own article. Additionally I think that the format should be standardized into the table format and a template created to make it easier to build the lists for new shows as they premier. Finally lets not turn this into any kinda of vote, just weigh in with your thoughts and lets see where we stand for now.
-- Argash | talk | contribs 08:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
"Broadcasters" ( example) should be removed — these change constantly and are outdated quickly, so they can never become encyclopedic. Removed these from Family Guy [2] (with some resistance [3]) and Sex and the City [4]. Relevant policies:
Similar sections certainly can be found in other articles. Without addressing any specific article, these should probably all be removed as well. / edg ☺ ★ 00:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I've removed broadcasters lists from the following:
More interestingly, I've nominated International broadcasters for 24 (TV series) (a stand-alone article) in Articles for Deletion. This should get us a few more opinions, and maybe a precedent. / edg ☺ ★ 01:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Deletion of international broadcasters list (entitled Around the world) is currently being challenged in Talk:Scrubs (TV series). / edg ☺ ★ 00:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
New, typically angry challenge to deleting International Broadcasters in Talk:Heroes (TV_series)#The_international_broadcaster_list. Typical objections: disputes all previous decisions, says there is insufficient precedent, and that this has nothing to do with WP:NOT. Should I take this to another forum for discussion? Tired of debating this repeatedly. / edg ☺ ★ 03:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
There's been a lot of precedent for these lists to be deleted. Most recently, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International broadcasters for 24 (TV series) decided to delete solely on grounds of Wikipedia is not a directory (AKA Wikipedia is not an electronic program guide). This is significant because this suggests the lists themselves are unencyclopedic, whether or not they are subject to becoming outdated (per WP:DATED, mentioned in the nomination but not in the deletion decision).
(Whoever disagrees with this decision can take it up on Wikipedia:Deletion review, but a really solid argument should be presented for any attempt to overturn precedent.)
The WikiProject Countering systemic bias concern for writing articles from an "international perspective" was brought up in defense of broadcasters lists. This got little traction.
Delete these tables/lists on sight. Within broadcasts sections, preserve only:
Otherwise, these lists don't belong on Wikipedia. / edg ☺ ★ 08:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
WP:ALLORNOTHING is a typical objection to this deletion, so I'll add these as I find them to document it's "all".
Not sure what all the fuss is about, but WP:ANIME solved this problem via hide/show in an infobox. -- Ned Scott 04:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on articles for each Saturday Night Live episode? I have constructed a model article for Scarlett Johansson/Bjork. Vast information is available on every episode on many database sites. List any thoughts on the format/etc. here. Weatherman90 00:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it needs to be determined which ones are notable. Otherwise we'll have 10 times as many articles than we normally would for just an article on an episode. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we have spoiler warnings in articles or not? Discussion on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Spoiler warning. -- Ned Scott 04:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a proposed merger going on at Smallville season 1. It's in regards to the episode articles. Though I'd let everyone know here. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
In light of the discussion here, I am opening it here.. Anyway, there are debates going around whether to keep or remove the 'International' airings area of many TV programme articles. So, express whether you want to keep the international airings, or delete.. Cheers—Illyria05 Ring• Contrib. 16:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am assembling a list of Nielsen ratings pages from 1999-present. I currently have the link of them for the seasons of 2001-2002, 2002-2003, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, and 2006-2007. These links will be for say someone wants to add a U.S. television ratings section for seasons 1999-present.. ThanksCheers—Illyria05 Ring• Contrib. 22:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
As per Wikipedia not beeing an indiscriminate collection of information, a list of titles in other languages is unacceptable in an article, is it? — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 21:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know that User:TTN is blanking episode pages and redirecting them to the main series page, believing that they ALL contravene WP:EPISODE. In the past 24 hours he has done this to Yes, Minister, Yes, Prime Minister, Foyle's War, The Cosby Show, Cupid, Iron Man, Twin Peaks, Nip/Tuck... now I've got bored of looking through his contributions history. Some people are going to get very angry if consensus is not reached regarding what constitutes a good episode page, and when they should be used. Gwinva 06:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
The following is a copy of the message I posted at AN/I regarding the redirect issue.
"I'll preface my remarks by saying that AN/I probably isn't the place for a discussion over Wikipedia guidelines. With that in mind, however, the way TTN is proceeding - and the scale of it - should not be permitted until a consensus on the larger issue can be achieved. Whether consciously or not, the Wikipedia community has permitted the creation of these articles, and allowed them to develop and grow - not for days, or weeks, but for *years*. This is not a question of a few random pages that don't meet guidelines - we're talking about literally thousands of pages, and tens of thousands of hours of work by good, solid contributors. We're talking about the Television project, dozens of related sub-projects, and all the rules, guidelines, and procedures developed within those structures with the goal of standardizing content and creating professional product. We're talking about editors who - on a daily basis - struggle to maintain a strong body of pop-culture content. Not only are they having to weed out the constant onslaught of speculation, trivia, and fan-boy debris, but they are also having to work within a community that, to some degree, "looks down" on their efforts as being "less than worthy". (See this note from TheDJ) TTN says "go to TV.com and Wikia" - but that is *not* the same thing. Speaking for myself, if I wanted speculation, fan theories, and "what if" scenarios, sure, I'd go to those sites. That, however, is *not* what I want out of an article, and not what I want to work on. Whether you like pop-culture articles or not shouldn't be the issue here - it should be about showing a certain degree of respect for your fellow Wikipedians. TTN's actions, I'm sorry to say, do not meet that mark." (Ckatz)
I strongly support Gwinva's suggestion that this project *as a whole* should work to develop a solution, rather than having to react to a unilateral action. -- Ckatz chat spy 17:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The Price Is Right (US game show) is up for FAC. Since there haven't been any substantial comments as of yet, I'm looking for a few sharp eyes. So please, c'mon down! — Twigboy 22:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
This article needs massive cleanup, it has multiple trivia sections and a huge lead. Aaron Bowen 23:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone who hasn't done so already should check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episodes and it's talk page. How to handle episode articles that don't pass WP:EPISODE, expanding WP:EPISODE, and more, are currently being discussed, and we're making some great progress. -- Ned Scott 01:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
We need an article for Wraparound (television) to explain what a wraparound is and give notable examples of how they have been used. Articles routinely reference this concept without explanation, and I personally don't know how to explain it to create an article myself. If you use WP's search function for the terms "wraparound" and "television" in the same article, you turn up some 60-70 articles that mention shows that began as wraparounds or notable actors who worked in wraparound segments. This is a technical term and a concept that has a pretty interesting history, especially in early television, and it would be nice to have an article on it if someone knows enough to start a good one. Lawikitejana 02:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure where your project puts notices of TfDs, so I'm posting this here. The template {{ TV-in-universe}} has been nominated for deletion. -- GentlemanGhost 21:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Some of you might be aware of WP:EPISODE, which is our guideline for dealing with articles about an individual episode from a show. Before it had the shortcut WP:EPISODE and the current title, Wikipedia:Television episodes, it was known as Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes [10]. Well, it still says pretty much the same thing as before, but some recent redirecting of episode articles that weren't seen as notable lead us to some new activity on the talk page of WP:EPISODE. We're now looking for input and comments to expanding the guideline at WT:EPISODE#Suggested expansion of guidelines. -- Ned Scott 04:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
There's more discussion recently about schedules & program lists at WT:NOT#Schedules & program lists. Editors are asking for clarification on, and possibly updating, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#DIRECTORY part 3. The policy currently reads:
Directories, directory entries, TV/Radio Guides, or a resource for conducting business. For example, an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, schedules, etc., although mention of major events or promotions may be acceptable. Furthermore, the Talk pages associated with an article are for talking about the article, not for conducting the business of the topic of the article. Wikipedia is not the yellow pages.
Feel free to join in the discussion and give your input. -- Ned Scott 04:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Could any of our experts take a look at expanding/fixing Parker Lewis Can't Lose? (if they can help with Maia Brewton it would be a bonus) PMA 13:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I've copied this from Category talk:1970s American television series and hoped to get some sort of opinion on it. I'm just wondering what qualifies a show for inclusion in this category? The paragraph says that it is shows that originated in the US during the decade and I take that to mean shows that began to air during the '70s. I guess it could also mean just shows that aired during the decade, but it would seem pointless to me for every show to be in a category for every decade that it aired. There are ending categories as well as debut categories for series debuting and ending in certain years, so I would think that as long as a series had those categories it wouldn't need ever other decade that it aired, only the original decade that it started. Any thoughts on this? Phydend 15:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm suggesting that it be modified to be clearer that the article may contain spoilers - that is, it sort of implies it now, but not quite so much. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The WikiProject Television episode coverage taskforce have recently been working on a review process for episode articles. There are a rash of articles about individual episodes which fail notability, and are unlikely to ever reach such requirements. Many contributors are unaware of the specific guidelines to assess notability in episode pages: Wikipedia:Television episodes. We have expanded these guidelines to make them more helpful and explanatory, and we invite you to read the guidelines, and make any comments on its talk page. After much discussion, we have created a proposed review process for dealing with problem articles. See: Wikipedia:Television article review process. We invite discussion of this process on its talk page. General comments about this whole process are welcome at the episode coverage taskforce talkpage. Thanks! Gwinva 10:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This article needs to be restructured into a more accessible format. User:The Tramp was working on a table version, but the best solution would require input from more than one person. Can we get some discussion going on this? -- FuriousFreddy 01:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 4#Template:Dated episode notability -- Ned Scott 07:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Kief Ferrandini and Tom Poston's contestant were NOT the same person! Look at the youtube "things that are enshrined" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RzlY9on_EQ and youtube "new record" http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFyVrGOsVEg. There is not even a remote resemblance. Her name, was actually "Kris". Dick Clark called her by that. ----
Someone from this project may want to take a look at Greek (TV series). It's only had one episode and looks like it needs some standardizing to the format of other tv shows. -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 02:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I think pilots that aren't picked up by networks are notable enough to warrant mentions, but I don't think they deserve their own articles, but how about listing them, descriptions, and their casts on pages such as '2006 CBS Pilots', '2007 FOX Pilots' etc. -- IvanKnight69 14:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, the Scrubs episode " My Musical" article has been put up for peer review here. If anyone here, with your (presumably) special knowledge of Wikipedia television coverage, could contribute anything to the review, it would be greatly apprecitated. Thanks! -- Gpollock 20:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, this is my first post so I hope I am putting this in the correct place. I've looked at the archives but this hasn't been mentioned. This is about the prank which went wrong with all the identical cars in the car park and the woman who sussed it was Jeremy Beadle behind it. As I remember it, this was on Game for a Laugh, not Beadle's About. I am sure Beadle introduced the item saying "does everyone want to see a prank that went wrong?" or words to that effect. I'm sure they then showed it. This is how I remember it, so apologies if this is wrong but someone may wish to check.
Rich680 19:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
A comment by a user on Pinky and the Brain brought up a good point that the article, as written, talks both about the characters and the show. It's near impossible to separate them, so it's more a matter of having something prior to the lead to indicate that the article covers both. I presently used the dablink generic template, but I was wondering if such a situation has occurred before here, and what that solution was, or if there's a better template/message to suit the need. -- Masem 15:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The episodes (from several I noticed): are cluttered with trivia. For a full list, see: Category:Charmed episodes. RobJ1981 06:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
{{ WikiProject Television}} is a little ungainly for a template name. If there were a shorter name it would be more likely that people would remember to put it up. What about {{ tvproj}} (similar to {{ WikiProject Video games}}) or {{ teleproj}}? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 02:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
If you have any DVDs of DuckTales, or recorded episodes, or a channel that shows DuckTales(it doesn't have to be in an English, people not from English-speaking country are more than welcome to help.) please use these sources to help you with the cleanup, and try to clean up. TheBlazikenMaster 09:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm doing an FA for a television episode right now, but then someone complained that I only have ratings for the UK and US. Does anyone know any website where I can find out how many people watched an episode from the following countries: Canada (what's sad is that this is where I live), South Korea, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, New Zealand, Greece, Poland, Australia and Argentina? Please respond if you know anything. -- thedemonhog talk • edits 16:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The Colbert Report is now a Featured Article Candidate here. Since it's within the scope of this wikiproject, I thought anyone interested could take a look and support or oppose. Cheers, Jude. 18:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
*As stated on the
Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas talk page, I have requested that the Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone article be peer-reviewed. I would appreciate any comments from you all as well concerning this article. Here's the internal link to its peer review...
Wikipedia:Peer review/Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone/archive1.
Flyer22 07:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone familiar with Spike TV identify this person with the first name 'Nicole'? Thanks! Videmus Omnia Talk 15:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
In the Format section of Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/How to write an episode article, it says to add a paragraph called Significance, which will "explain the significance the episode has in relation to the series;" however, none of the featured episode articles have such a section? Should they or is the page outdated? -- thedemonhog talk • edits 18:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
A user is creating multiple articles on individual episodes of celebrity deathmatch - there are two problems - 1) the articles are...well... awful, entirely what encyclopedia articles should not be. 2) what is notable about each of those individual episodes? nothing as far as I can see - the show consists of Puppet X vs puppet Y week in, week out - what is really required beyond a single episode guide paper? I'm a little out of touch with the guidelines around individual episode pages but thought they had to demonstrate some level of real-world notability or significant beyond "this exists"? Even if those pages should exist, massive clean-up is required at present. -- Fredrick day 15:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello folks, I'm not a member of this project, but I would like to ask you to take a look at The A-Team. I have recently done some heavy editing on the article, although it's far from finished, I think it's coming along nicely. That however, is my own biased view on the matter, so I'd like a 3rd party opinion, which would be yours. Thoughts? Kusonaga 16:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I have added a section to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Television to contain information on nominations for deletion via the WP:PROD path. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, can we have a taskforce for Frasier. Anyone interested in creating episodes for Frasier or expanding the articles for Frasier, please create this taskforce. Right now, about 80 epiosdes have their own articles. It would be nice if we could have an article for all 264 articles-- 60.234.55.135 20:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I've just created a seperate page proposing guidlines for noteability of Reality TV contestants and if they should have their own articles. I did this due to the mass number of articles being created and deleted on these subjects in recent months, and confusion among editors if they are in fact noteable or not. You can read this here. All edits and comments on the talk page are welcome. Thanks, Dalejenkins | 18:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC).
There is a bug in the infobox template. Every page with it has a "- |}" in it at the very top. Somebody fix it please. vlad§inger tlk 03:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, I started Pregnancy on television in my userspace. Originally I wanted to write about how TV deals with actresses who become pregnant (such as the Hunter Tylo case) and how TV either acknowledges or hides the pregnancy in the fictional universe of the show. However, I've also set aside space for reality pregnancy shows like the ones on Discovery Health. I would appreciate community comments before I finish it up and move it to article space. Thanks! Wl219 03:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to have the feedback of active wikiproject members on the following. Wikipedia has a number of guidelines on articles about fiction, predominantly WP:FICT and WP:WAF. These guidelines have been rewritten some time ago, but this appears to have been done without substantial input from editors who write about fiction.
Guidelines on Wikipedia are supposed to be a description of common practice. At present, however, these guidelines call for the removal of most material that does not include real-world information, which could be read as to include most articles about fictional characters, locations and concepts, such as those about most television series.
This does not reflect actual practice, because Wikipedia has thousands of such articles. Now there's no need for alarm, because to my knowledge, nobody is actually deleting any of this. However, it would be prudent to reword and update the aforementioned guidelines to accurately reflect how, and on which aspects, articles on fiction are written.
Please feel free to update the guidelines as needed, or direct your feedback to their respective talk pages. >Radiant< 10:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
On a season page, should the casting section be under Production or Cast and characters? And should Cast and characters sections simply be a list that states "Actor as Character" or should it be in prose and briefly describe the characters like on the show pages? -- thedemonhog talk • edits 23:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that two episodes are combined into one article at William Gibson's "The X-Files" episodes, and episodes aren't usually (or never?) combined just because they have the same writer. This seems to be the best place to ask. 172.188.223.135 20:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see a task force for Scrubs (TV series). Can I just create one or does it require consensus, etc? Caissa's DeathAngel 14:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion over at Buffy the Vampire Slayer over the name of the article. Some people feel the article should be named as it is, while the competing opinion is that it should be named Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series), per naming conventions. The film with the same title has "(film)" attached, and it came first. Please see the discussion at Talk: Buffy the Vampire Slayer#Page move. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I just had to remove all episode descriptions from Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 1), Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 2), Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 3) because they were blatant copyright violations from http://www.onlygreysanatomy.com (and other sites). I suspect that other popular series' episode descriptions are also in violation. AxelBoldt 15:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I believe TV Squad is a reliable source for television information, but they use the word blog so I'd like help making a determination. They're a part of Weblogs, Inc., like Engadget. This National Business Review article says about Engadget "If that sounds like a magazine, it should. Although it looks like a blog and acts like a blog, Engadget is a webzine (web-based magazine) dressed up like a blog." It says of Weblogs, Inc., "the content areas are covered by people who treat content production as a job." Also, that "An expert writes alone or in conjunction with others about a "hot" topic (gadgets, say), links to outside material and solicits feedback from the readership." They describe the system as "artificially-viral" and as a "blog-like, content-specific, web-only publication." TV Squad is indexed by google news. According to the Weblogs, Inc. site, they're "bloggers" are paid, they have a team of editors, and have a clear separation between advertising and editors. Their also part of AOL now. That's all the info I've been able to find so far, Peregrine Fisher 17:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
(reset indent) This Nemesis review goes into more detail. I agree the reckoning review doesn't have much useful info. I think just like the movie reviews that rotten tomatoes uses, some are going to be better than others. - Peregrine Fisher 19:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Carnivàle has been an FAC for a month now (moving to close), and it has been suffering from chronic non-comments for a while. (I guess part of the reason is that the show is too obscure and was cancelled too long ago to be in the public mind any longer.) A request at WP League of Copyeditors to have a look at the article has not been acted on (I know, they have a lot to do; I don't blame them). I am posting here to ask whether someone could spare a few minutes and give the article an extra pair of eyes. FAC comments are always appreciated (see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carnivàle). Thanks. – sgeureka t•c 12:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
In the past few weeks I've significantly changed this entry. Proof read it, had images apply to fair use law and added a lot more information. Any chance of another rating? bingo99 12 September 2007 10:06 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I've removed the blog and Wikipedia sources and the info they provided. Also I've changed the citations significantly so they're in keeping with Wikipedia:Citation templates. Any chance of another look? - bingo99 14 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has now received 'Good Article' status. I'd be keen for it to be peer-reviewed again, in a hope of it reaching A-Class status, then hopefully Featured Article status. Thanks in advance for any advice or help. - bingo99 20:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking that a Three Stooges Taskforce should be created to help expand and clean-up stooge-related articles. The Three Stooges, in my eyes, are an important part of television. They made 190 Shorts with Columbia. Most, probably all have been shown televison. Not to mention their cartoon series, appearances on shows such as Scooby Doo.
Just my 2 Cents,
DTGardner 18:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
While I love to know more about news themes and think that they could have their own articles and that Wikipedia should have an article on just about everything that people want to know about (why wouldn't it?), the general population of Wikipedia doesn't feel the same way. I noticed that many of the news theme articles (i.e. The X-2 Package, FOX O&O News Theme, etc), are tagged as not being verifiable/notable/referenced/whatever. While they've been marked since July, it's inevitable that someone will notice it and AfD them. So anyway, if I were you, I'd consider a "News theme" article with a link to a "List of news themes" or something like that if AfDs come around. My 2 cents. Peace, -- MPD T / C 03:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I started working on a completely rework of Da Rules article, since it is a total mess. One problem I got when decided to deal with it is a total lack of references. When stating the rules it has, the only source I have for it are the Episodes I've seen, therefore I think it caracterizes as WP:OR. Can I go with it, or what should I do? Samuel Sol 15:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
This article needs extensive work, and there needs to be a List of Police Camera Action! episodes. I'm not really sure how to do such an article on this, so if you can advise me that would be great! This could be a featured article if any editors are willing to work with me to get it to that standard. Thanks, -- Solumeiras talk 10:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Check out COPS (TV series) it's of a similar topic, a reasonably well construed article, but not the most expansive of them. And see some of the other FA rated Television articles mentioned here. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Just recently, a Wikipedia user, Loansince, has started adding these terms ("completed" and "ongoing"), to describe television programs in the first sentences of their articles. (Example: "The Brady Bunch is a completed American television situation comedy, based around a large blended family." [my emphasis].)
To me that just doesn't sound right, and feels unnecessary. The user claims that the terms make it quickly apparant that the show is no longer in production or is still being produced. However, in most of the articles he/she has edited, this info is provided in the following sentences.
You can read some of the user's comments and those of other editors (who feel the same as I) here:
Oh, and you can see their contributions here: Special:Contributions/Loansince
I see that I am not alone is feeling that these terms are unnecessary/redundant. What does everyone else think about this? - NatureBoyMD 01:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh well, some edits you like, some edits you don't like. And while you disagree with them, doesn't mean they don't belong, no matter how much you cry about it. The point is, if I think the edit belongs and it is nto vandalism or anything incorrect, I can put it there. I am sure as heck not going back and reverting all of those edits and it will take a looooooooooooooooooooooooot of work to go back behind me and revert all those 'completed' and 'ongoing' comments. Anyone can edit wikipedia so you can go back behind me and do it if you like. Enjoy that long hard task, but I refuse to discuss this topic or come back to this page any longer because I think the topic is stupid Loansince 06:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
While looking up info for the show, I discovered that this article appears to be almost completely under the control of a 12 year old child, with help from a few 13 and 14 year olds. He appears to be completely dominating any and all edits to the article and not really allowing any one else to deal with it (though he does seem to have relented on the issue of wanting spoiler tags). The article itself is mostly okay, but it could use work (particularly the families section). I also really think it would benefit from an adult taking the article in hand to help control things. I'm not a fan of the show myself, so I thought I would post here to see if someone from the WikiProject for Television might want to take on the tasks.
As a side question, what is Wikipedia's policies regarding children editors? I would think there might be issues with those under 13 because of federal laws? Collectonian 07:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
If anyone would like to weight in, there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Original_Research_and_Spoilers regarding spoilers in non-fiction show articles. More importantly, it is a discussion of what outside resource (if any) can/should be used when discussing the subjects of documentary series to provide additional information about the subjects/"stars" of the show, or if additional information is relevant at all to the article. Collectonian 04:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to ask, can the airdates/end dates posted on TV.com be considered reliable enough for referencing? If not, then do we have a major reliable source for them? — May the Edit be with you, always. ( T| C) 20:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I see. Thanks. — May the Edit be with you, always. ( T| C) 21:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)