This page is within the scope of WikiProject Systems, which collaborates on articles related to
systems and
systems science.SystemsWikipedia:WikiProject SystemsTemplate:WikiProject SystemsSystems articles
Please think about this a little more--such lists have been uniformly deleted unless they have an explicit criterion for inclusion, and they are non-discriminate--you can not list all the books. For the sort of thing you have in mind, please see:
List of important publications in chemistry. DGG (
talk) 19:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)reply
That list is an interesting example and maybe we can also make such a list of important publications in systems engineering. What we got here is an overview and this is for the common wikipedia reader maybe to hard to handel. or just not interested enough. Now this list does remain is of value for the
Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems and
Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems Engineering Initiative. Maybe it is a good idea to move this article and make it an project-article. -
Mdd 22:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I moved the article for the reasons mentioned -
Mdd 23:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Booktitles removed from the list
The following section gives an overview of the removed booktitles and the reasons:
Because the term "Systems" and "Engineering" were missing in the booktitle, and it has no reference to Griffith:
1973: K. B. De Greene, Socialtechnical Systems: Factors in Analysis, Design, and Management, Englewood Cliffs, NJ:Prentice-Hall.
1975: A. Horanessian, Research and development of a large-scale electronic system, IEEE Trans. Eng. Manag., vol. EM-22, pp. 94-101, Aug. 1975. (On the research and development phase of system development in terms of methodology, system design concepts, cost effectiveness, and customer acceptance).).[1]
1977,
A.P. Sage, Methodology for Large-scale Systems.
1986, A. Pages & M. Gondran, System Reliability: Evaluation and Prediction in Engineering.
About systems analysis
1970, A.M. Lee, Systems Analysis Frameworks.
1971, R. de Neufville & J.H. Stafford, Systems Analysis for Engineers and Managers.
1973, S.L. Optner, Systems Analysis.
1984 S.M. McMenamin & J.F. Palmer, Essential Systems Analysis.
About systems approach
1967: G.M. Jenkins, The systems approach, J. Syst. Eng., vol. I, pp. 3-49, 1969. (discusses the philosophy underlying a systems approach to the solution of problems. Three questions are answered: "What is systems engineering?" "What is a systems engineer?" and "How does a systems engineer go about solving any problem?")[1]
1982, T.H. Athey, Systematic Systems Approach: An Integrated Method for Solving Systems Problems.
About systems architecture
1989, D.N. Chorafas, Systems Architecture and Systems Design.
About systems concept
1971, R.F. Miles, Systems Concepts.
1982:
Pellegrinetti, Examining the System concept-A professional's viewpoint, in: Specifying Eng., pp. 82-83, Feb. 1982, pp. 136-139, May 1982. (Essay on systems concepts, less formal than other sources, but providing valuable insights into the syst em engineering process. These insights are all the more cogent as they come from a viewpoint outside of academia or the aerospace industry).[1]
About systems design
1965: R. Bogusla. The New Utopians: A Study in Systems Design and Social Change. Englewood Cliffs, NJ:Prentice-Hall, 1965.
1967, G. Nadler, Work Systems Design: The IDEALS Concept.
1976, H. Katzan, Systems Design and Documentation.
1981, G.L. Glegg, The Development of Design.
1982, B.S. Dhillon, Reliability Engineering in Systems Design and Operation.
1984, W. Gasparski, Understanding Design: The Praxiological-Systemic Perspective.
1987, W.B. Rouse & K.R. Boff, System Design: Behavioral Perspectives on Designers, Tools, and Organizations.
1987:
A. Wayne Wymore, A Mathematical Theory of System Design. Tucson, AZ:SANDS, draft, May 1987
1988, D.A. Norman, The Design of Everyday Things.
About systems management
1979, J.S. Baumgartner, Systems Management
1984: V. J. Hajek, Management of Engineering Projects (3rd ed.). New York:McGraw Hill, 1984.
1985: G. S. Handler, G. Hammerle and W. Rucker, Navy Program Manager's Guide. Washington, D.C.:Naval Material Command, 1985.
About systems science
1988, R.L. Flood & E.R. Carson, Dealing with Complexity, an Introduction to the Theory and Application of Systems Science.
About systems specification
1988: D. J. Hatley and I. M. Pirbhai, Strategies for Real-Time System Specification, New York:Dorset House, 1988.
About systems testing
1988, W.E. Perry, A Structured Approach to Systems Testing.
About systems theory
1965,
M.D. Mesarovic & Y. Takahara, General Systems Theory: Mathematical Foundations.
1974, L. Padulo & M. Arbib, System Theory: A Unified State-Space Approach to Continuous and Discrete Systems.
1977, P. Faurre & M. Depeyrot, M. Elements of System Theory.
1978, J.P. Van Gigch, Applied General Systems Theory.
Hope you can accept IEEE Std 1220 as a "book." BTW and FWIW, ... --
Iterator12nTalk 19:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)reply
As you can see I have started making the list more exclusive, by inventing some criteria to do so. Hereby I removed all the books with the term "Systems" and "Engineering" missing in the booktitle. I haven't yet made up my mind about more criterea, and it would be nice to discuss this. So thanks for bringing uo this question, because it gives us some things to talk about.
The problem is that a don't know that IEEE Std 1220? Isn't it a book? -
Mdd 11:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)reply
As always, raising the question is the first step in answering your own question. Have now done some research and think I have an answer. Raised the question originally because I happen to own IEEE 1220 in PDF form and because I was wondering whether a PDF qualifies as a "book." I have now found out that you can also order
here a paper-back version of the standard, the ISBN number is 0-7381-4691-9. For the sake of completeness, the ISBN number of the PDF version is 0-7381-4692-7. HTH. (Regarding the remaining, definitional question of What is a book, I propose one necessary & sufficient criterion: A (recent) book is something with an ISBN number.) --
Iterator12nTalk 14:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)reply
This page is within the scope of WikiProject Systems, which collaborates on articles related to
systems and
systems science.SystemsWikipedia:WikiProject SystemsTemplate:WikiProject SystemsSystems articles
Please think about this a little more--such lists have been uniformly deleted unless they have an explicit criterion for inclusion, and they are non-discriminate--you can not list all the books. For the sort of thing you have in mind, please see:
List of important publications in chemistry. DGG (
talk) 19:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)reply
That list is an interesting example and maybe we can also make such a list of important publications in systems engineering. What we got here is an overview and this is for the common wikipedia reader maybe to hard to handel. or just not interested enough. Now this list does remain is of value for the
Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems and
Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems Engineering Initiative. Maybe it is a good idea to move this article and make it an project-article. -
Mdd 22:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I moved the article for the reasons mentioned -
Mdd 23:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Booktitles removed from the list
The following section gives an overview of the removed booktitles and the reasons:
Because the term "Systems" and "Engineering" were missing in the booktitle, and it has no reference to Griffith:
1973: K. B. De Greene, Socialtechnical Systems: Factors in Analysis, Design, and Management, Englewood Cliffs, NJ:Prentice-Hall.
1975: A. Horanessian, Research and development of a large-scale electronic system, IEEE Trans. Eng. Manag., vol. EM-22, pp. 94-101, Aug. 1975. (On the research and development phase of system development in terms of methodology, system design concepts, cost effectiveness, and customer acceptance).).[1]
1977,
A.P. Sage, Methodology for Large-scale Systems.
1986, A. Pages & M. Gondran, System Reliability: Evaluation and Prediction in Engineering.
About systems analysis
1970, A.M. Lee, Systems Analysis Frameworks.
1971, R. de Neufville & J.H. Stafford, Systems Analysis for Engineers and Managers.
1973, S.L. Optner, Systems Analysis.
1984 S.M. McMenamin & J.F. Palmer, Essential Systems Analysis.
About systems approach
1967: G.M. Jenkins, The systems approach, J. Syst. Eng., vol. I, pp. 3-49, 1969. (discusses the philosophy underlying a systems approach to the solution of problems. Three questions are answered: "What is systems engineering?" "What is a systems engineer?" and "How does a systems engineer go about solving any problem?")[1]
1982, T.H. Athey, Systematic Systems Approach: An Integrated Method for Solving Systems Problems.
About systems architecture
1989, D.N. Chorafas, Systems Architecture and Systems Design.
About systems concept
1971, R.F. Miles, Systems Concepts.
1982:
Pellegrinetti, Examining the System concept-A professional's viewpoint, in: Specifying Eng., pp. 82-83, Feb. 1982, pp. 136-139, May 1982. (Essay on systems concepts, less formal than other sources, but providing valuable insights into the syst em engineering process. These insights are all the more cogent as they come from a viewpoint outside of academia or the aerospace industry).[1]
About systems design
1965: R. Bogusla. The New Utopians: A Study in Systems Design and Social Change. Englewood Cliffs, NJ:Prentice-Hall, 1965.
1967, G. Nadler, Work Systems Design: The IDEALS Concept.
1976, H. Katzan, Systems Design and Documentation.
1981, G.L. Glegg, The Development of Design.
1982, B.S. Dhillon, Reliability Engineering in Systems Design and Operation.
1984, W. Gasparski, Understanding Design: The Praxiological-Systemic Perspective.
1987, W.B. Rouse & K.R. Boff, System Design: Behavioral Perspectives on Designers, Tools, and Organizations.
1987:
A. Wayne Wymore, A Mathematical Theory of System Design. Tucson, AZ:SANDS, draft, May 1987
1988, D.A. Norman, The Design of Everyday Things.
About systems management
1979, J.S. Baumgartner, Systems Management
1984: V. J. Hajek, Management of Engineering Projects (3rd ed.). New York:McGraw Hill, 1984.
1985: G. S. Handler, G. Hammerle and W. Rucker, Navy Program Manager's Guide. Washington, D.C.:Naval Material Command, 1985.
About systems science
1988, R.L. Flood & E.R. Carson, Dealing with Complexity, an Introduction to the Theory and Application of Systems Science.
About systems specification
1988: D. J. Hatley and I. M. Pirbhai, Strategies for Real-Time System Specification, New York:Dorset House, 1988.
About systems testing
1988, W.E. Perry, A Structured Approach to Systems Testing.
About systems theory
1965,
M.D. Mesarovic & Y. Takahara, General Systems Theory: Mathematical Foundations.
1974, L. Padulo & M. Arbib, System Theory: A Unified State-Space Approach to Continuous and Discrete Systems.
1977, P. Faurre & M. Depeyrot, M. Elements of System Theory.
1978, J.P. Van Gigch, Applied General Systems Theory.
Hope you can accept IEEE Std 1220 as a "book." BTW and FWIW, ... --
Iterator12nTalk 19:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)reply
As you can see I have started making the list more exclusive, by inventing some criteria to do so. Hereby I removed all the books with the term "Systems" and "Engineering" missing in the booktitle. I haven't yet made up my mind about more criterea, and it would be nice to discuss this. So thanks for bringing uo this question, because it gives us some things to talk about.
The problem is that a don't know that IEEE Std 1220? Isn't it a book? -
Mdd 11:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)reply
As always, raising the question is the first step in answering your own question. Have now done some research and think I have an answer. Raised the question originally because I happen to own IEEE 1220 in PDF form and because I was wondering whether a PDF qualifies as a "book." I have now found out that you can also order
here a paper-back version of the standard, the ISBN number is 0-7381-4691-9. For the sake of completeness, the ISBN number of the PDF version is 0-7381-4692-7. HTH. (Regarding the remaining, definitional question of What is a book, I propose one necessary & sufficient criterion: A (recent) book is something with an ISBN number.) --
Iterator12nTalk 14:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)reply