I'm wondering if the #Articles and related issues list wouldn't make more sense on the project page. It is more of a list than a discussion. What do others think?
I also would like to say something about the "(Shame on us)" part. While "to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the ongoing ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka" is one of our goals, we need to acknowledge that the Sri Lanka conflict is a tough issue, and we shouldn't be to harsh with ourselves. Improving articles isn't always as glamourous as getting a star for a featured article. Much of it is tedious work in small steps, which is nonetheless important. And let's not forget our other goals:
— Sebastian 19:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys,
I'm Mr. Pepperell (first name hidden for possible security issues? who knows), half-American and half-Tamil (also nephew of East Bay Ray). On my mother's side, my aunt married Shankar Rajee, and had three kids. One of them is my close cousin. Her brother is Nesan Thirunesan, who I believe is now the head of EROS.
Now, I'm kind of wondering that I could quite possibly help in this project...but I'm not sure how. I figured if I tell you my cousin is Nesan Thirunesan, head of EROS, you could tell me how I could help in getting this project one hundred percent. Really hope I can help. Seriphyn 00:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I find the images on the Kattankudy mosque massacre Kattankudi_mosque_massacre quite disturbing (everything except the bottom image). It appears to be a emotional point for one of the writers, presumably the one who started the article, user: Netmonger. This is after all an encyclopedia, I don't find the point in littering articles with dead bodies. There is similar problem with another, I forget which one it is which had a headless body. Is the use of the gory images encyclopedic ? The encyclopedia has a wide range of audience, so I thinks its inappropriate for younger readers. There is already somewhere that you can't add disclaimers. If the image needs a disclaimer in the article, then it should frankly go. I would like some external opinion on this. These images just make this thing unnecessarily emotional, so why have them ? Sinhala freedom 13:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I have unprotected Sri Lanka Army and tagged it as part of these peace efforts. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
First off, let me say that I'm really impressed that it was possible to get an agreement between so many different editors. Well done!
I have one problem, though: Many articles now have the ambox on top, and the first thing any reader reads is a bold link to " editing restrictions". But that page is not a list of the editing restrictions, nor does a search for "editing restrictions" lead to any such list. Instead, the page is a 20,000 words long, complicated discussion, which itself begins with a reference to another page that should be read first. I know a bit about the SL issue, but even I feel lost on that page. After spending some time on the page, I assume you meant the "Final resolution" section, but I'm not sure.
Could someone who is trusted by all signatories please change that page so that the "editing restrictions" are clearly visible to everyone? (Alternatively, the agreement could be on its own page, or under WP:SLR#Guidelines (which then would be renamed "Guidelines and agreements" or so), but in both cases, many existing links would need to be changed.) — Sebastian 06:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Kelbaster ( talk · contribs) who is a obvious sock is attacking me and User:Netmonger and just now vandalised the S. P. Thamilselvan saying rm the dead link and the Sri Lankan Government's Press Arm as the WP:RS which is not. -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie | tool box 14:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't vandalise the S. P. Thamilselvan, At the time, when I removed one link was a dead one and the other one is a biased Sri Lankan Government's Official Media. Kelbaster 14:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Kelbaster is a definite sock or meat puppet of Netmonger someone and is indef blocked. Netmonger is blocked one week to think over if he really wants to be part of the peace effort. After that, if he commits any more violations, he will be indef blocked by me. This is his absolute last chance. —
Rlevse •
Talk •
16:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, it didn't take long. I volunteered by my time to try to help the Sri Lankans get along and while most of you have been kind and appreciative, some of you aren't, so I'm gone from this peace effort. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Many people have asked me to return to help, so I am doing that. Please keep in mind us admins are only trying to help and stay as neutral as possible, we have no political agenda of any kind. We only want peace and high quality articles. Keep civil at all times. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
He was assassinated and not killed. Please read the meaning of Assassination to see why it is assassination and not killed. Watchdogb 18:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The euphemism targeted killing (also called extrajudicial execution) is also sometimes used for sanctioned assassinations of opponents, especially where undertaken by governments. [1] 'Assassination' itself, along with terms such as ' terrorist' and ' freedom fighter', may in this context be considered a loaded term, as it implies an act where the proponents of such killings may consider them justified or even necessary. [1] This is precisely what the Government says. It was a warning and the SLG is celebrating this "pin pointed bombing". This is exactly assassination. Watchdogb 18:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Snowolfd4 has committed at least two acts of vandalism against the Sri Lanka peace effort, a community based and supported dispute resolution effort, called sourced edits "rubbish", used profanity, and attacked the motives of User:Haemo, neutral admin trying to assist this effort. Therefore, I am blocking him for 72 hours. See [6] with summary "removing rubbish from intro - discuss on the damn talk page", [7], [8]. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Iwazaki has broken the 1RR Sri Lanka. He has reverted to his version 3 times here [10], here [11], and here [12] in span of less than 24 hours. He has also accused user Pharaoh of the Wizards "sock edits", which is blatant personal attack here [13]. Sinhala freedom 15:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This is an interesting test case for our Final Resolution. Point 3 says: These articles will be protected (admin access only) subject to a 1RR for 3 months". Iwazaki did not sign this, so does it still hold for him? Sorry if I missed something that's hidden in the discussion. — Sebastian 21:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Does this pass our
usernames policy? ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ I have no idea how to say or type it, which is a big inconvenience and detriment to cooperation. Shall we ask this user to request a new name? -
Jehochman
Talk
16:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't see that this was just a signature. In the past I have once or twice advised users that a legible signature facilitates cooperation. If I want to search through a long page of comments looking for what Lahiru_k has said, I don't have keys on my keyboard to type those fancy characters. When working in a heated area, every little thing helps. That's was my point. Sorry if I was unclear. - Jehochman Talk 09:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm currently running for admin. If anyone has any issues they wants to talk about, please say so at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/SebastianHelm. So far, the votes are looking very good, so there is really no need to go there to support me. I'm not writing this to ask for your vote, but only to give people a heads-up. — Sebastian 03:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering if the #Articles and related issues list wouldn't make more sense on the project page. It is more of a list than a discussion. What do others think?
I also would like to say something about the "(Shame on us)" part. While "to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the ongoing ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka" is one of our goals, we need to acknowledge that the Sri Lanka conflict is a tough issue, and we shouldn't be to harsh with ourselves. Improving articles isn't always as glamourous as getting a star for a featured article. Much of it is tedious work in small steps, which is nonetheless important. And let's not forget our other goals:
— Sebastian 19:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys,
I'm Mr. Pepperell (first name hidden for possible security issues? who knows), half-American and half-Tamil (also nephew of East Bay Ray). On my mother's side, my aunt married Shankar Rajee, and had three kids. One of them is my close cousin. Her brother is Nesan Thirunesan, who I believe is now the head of EROS.
Now, I'm kind of wondering that I could quite possibly help in this project...but I'm not sure how. I figured if I tell you my cousin is Nesan Thirunesan, head of EROS, you could tell me how I could help in getting this project one hundred percent. Really hope I can help. Seriphyn 00:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I find the images on the Kattankudy mosque massacre Kattankudi_mosque_massacre quite disturbing (everything except the bottom image). It appears to be a emotional point for one of the writers, presumably the one who started the article, user: Netmonger. This is after all an encyclopedia, I don't find the point in littering articles with dead bodies. There is similar problem with another, I forget which one it is which had a headless body. Is the use of the gory images encyclopedic ? The encyclopedia has a wide range of audience, so I thinks its inappropriate for younger readers. There is already somewhere that you can't add disclaimers. If the image needs a disclaimer in the article, then it should frankly go. I would like some external opinion on this. These images just make this thing unnecessarily emotional, so why have them ? Sinhala freedom 13:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I have unprotected Sri Lanka Army and tagged it as part of these peace efforts. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
First off, let me say that I'm really impressed that it was possible to get an agreement between so many different editors. Well done!
I have one problem, though: Many articles now have the ambox on top, and the first thing any reader reads is a bold link to " editing restrictions". But that page is not a list of the editing restrictions, nor does a search for "editing restrictions" lead to any such list. Instead, the page is a 20,000 words long, complicated discussion, which itself begins with a reference to another page that should be read first. I know a bit about the SL issue, but even I feel lost on that page. After spending some time on the page, I assume you meant the "Final resolution" section, but I'm not sure.
Could someone who is trusted by all signatories please change that page so that the "editing restrictions" are clearly visible to everyone? (Alternatively, the agreement could be on its own page, or under WP:SLR#Guidelines (which then would be renamed "Guidelines and agreements" or so), but in both cases, many existing links would need to be changed.) — Sebastian 06:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Kelbaster ( talk · contribs) who is a obvious sock is attacking me and User:Netmonger and just now vandalised the S. P. Thamilselvan saying rm the dead link and the Sri Lankan Government's Press Arm as the WP:RS which is not. -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie | tool box 14:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't vandalise the S. P. Thamilselvan, At the time, when I removed one link was a dead one and the other one is a biased Sri Lankan Government's Official Media. Kelbaster 14:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Kelbaster is a definite sock or meat puppet of Netmonger someone and is indef blocked. Netmonger is blocked one week to think over if he really wants to be part of the peace effort. After that, if he commits any more violations, he will be indef blocked by me. This is his absolute last chance. —
Rlevse •
Talk •
16:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, it didn't take long. I volunteered by my time to try to help the Sri Lankans get along and while most of you have been kind and appreciative, some of you aren't, so I'm gone from this peace effort. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Many people have asked me to return to help, so I am doing that. Please keep in mind us admins are only trying to help and stay as neutral as possible, we have no political agenda of any kind. We only want peace and high quality articles. Keep civil at all times. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
He was assassinated and not killed. Please read the meaning of Assassination to see why it is assassination and not killed. Watchdogb 18:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The euphemism targeted killing (also called extrajudicial execution) is also sometimes used for sanctioned assassinations of opponents, especially where undertaken by governments. [1] 'Assassination' itself, along with terms such as ' terrorist' and ' freedom fighter', may in this context be considered a loaded term, as it implies an act where the proponents of such killings may consider them justified or even necessary. [1] This is precisely what the Government says. It was a warning and the SLG is celebrating this "pin pointed bombing". This is exactly assassination. Watchdogb 18:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Snowolfd4 has committed at least two acts of vandalism against the Sri Lanka peace effort, a community based and supported dispute resolution effort, called sourced edits "rubbish", used profanity, and attacked the motives of User:Haemo, neutral admin trying to assist this effort. Therefore, I am blocking him for 72 hours. See [6] with summary "removing rubbish from intro - discuss on the damn talk page", [7], [8]. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Iwazaki has broken the 1RR Sri Lanka. He has reverted to his version 3 times here [10], here [11], and here [12] in span of less than 24 hours. He has also accused user Pharaoh of the Wizards "sock edits", which is blatant personal attack here [13]. Sinhala freedom 15:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This is an interesting test case for our Final Resolution. Point 3 says: These articles will be protected (admin access only) subject to a 1RR for 3 months". Iwazaki did not sign this, so does it still hold for him? Sorry if I missed something that's hidden in the discussion. — Sebastian 21:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Does this pass our
usernames policy? ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ I have no idea how to say or type it, which is a big inconvenience and detriment to cooperation. Shall we ask this user to request a new name? -
Jehochman
Talk
16:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't see that this was just a signature. In the past I have once or twice advised users that a legible signature facilitates cooperation. If I want to search through a long page of comments looking for what Lahiru_k has said, I don't have keys on my keyboard to type those fancy characters. When working in a heated area, every little thing helps. That's was my point. Sorry if I was unclear. - Jehochman Talk 09:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm currently running for admin. If anyone has any issues they wants to talk about, please say so at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/SebastianHelm. So far, the votes are looking very good, so there is really no need to go there to support me. I'm not writing this to ask for your vote, but only to give people a heads-up. — Sebastian 03:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)