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Bringing the Downlink back
I'm unfamiliar with the process to update and publish a newsletter, but I think it would be good to at least acknowledge the changes that have occurred in
WP:SPACEFLIGHT. Would there be any issues in starting this up again?
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 08:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Hello @
Balon Greyjoy:, I have just updated the Downlink main page and it now shows a link to a new newsletter that I just created and is still in progress, also found at:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Downlink/2020/November which I am planning to transclude it to the main Downlink page on 1 November 2020.
Terasail[Talk] 13:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Nice work! I just looked through your post and I'll try to make sense of it so I can similarly contribute to it in the future. As I understand it, the page you linked just references data pulled from other pages, and once you transclude it on November 1, it will keep that info permanently (and the updated data will go on future pages)?
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 04:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy: When it is transcluded onto the
WP:DNL page, I will start up a November issue, and the transclusion only means it will be displayed on the main page. The most current issue of the newsletter will always be transcluded onto the main page but old issues have their own pages so you can look back at them
here. If you wish to have the October newsletter added to your talkpage on 1 November then add your username to
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Downlink/Recipients.
Terasail[Talk] 17:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Thanks for putting this together. Just to keep the Downlink from having a single point of failure, how is transclusion done? Specifically, how will you copy the data from the assessment table to be able data and not just linking to current numbers? Happy to leave this project to you, but I want to prevent missing issues if you are off Wikipedia at the time.
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 05:13, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy: Well, I will substitute the wiki projects status tables onto the article page. Then on the main page on November, I will add {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Downlink/2020/October}}, to the current issue section. Which will display it. The subst: tags are already in html comments ready to be added on October 31.
Terasail II[Talk] 11:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
GMT vs. UTC
Any objection if I change "All times stated here are in GMT." to "All times stated here are in UTC."
2020 in spaceflight and alike pages uses UTC?
OkayKenji(
talk •
contribs) 03:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Yep, I really should have labeled it with UTC Rather than GMT. Thanks for noticing.
Terasail II[Talk] 11:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Fun!
I am delighted in anything that adds to the espirit d'corps of our group.
I've been plugging away at 1960s satellites at my usual glacial pace (though I took today off and, of course, immediately started playing with WP!)
I have several suggestions for the list of launches. The first suggestion is that there be a
flag icon next to each launch to denote where it launched. The second is that there be an indicator for crewed launches. And finally, colorize the date and time of the launch to denote whether the launch was successful (green), a failure (red), or a partial failure (yellow). Here's an example of last month's launches with these three suggestions:
@
ZLEA: I have added a version of this into the November issue, thanks for the suggestion. I altered the colours for a tick and added an astronaut icon as changes from this. I might remove the uncrewed icons as it seems a bit too much, interested in other opinions.
Terasail[Talk] 17:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Terasail Looks good. Yeah, I think the uncrewed icons are a bit too much, most launches are uncrewed so it would make sense to specifically denote the crewed ones and not the uncrewed ones. One other suggestion I forgot is that you could use more specific rocket variants, expecially if the variants have their own articles. For example, the Falcon 9 launches are the
Falcon 9 Block 5 variant, and the Soyuz launch is a
Soyuz 2.1b. -
ZLEAT\C 15:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
May we also add the successful launch of the Falcon Heavy USSF-44 to a November edition?
QuicksmartTortoise513 (
talk) 15:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Issue-2 article of the month
I have nominated an article of the month for the Vol-1 Issue-2 of The Downlink. It is an article about
Apollo 12:
Apollo 12 would have attempted the first lunar landing had
Apollo 11 failed, but after the success of
Neil Armstrong's mission, Apollo 12 was postponed by two months, and other Apollo missions also put on a more relaxed schedule. More time was allotted for geologic training in preparation for Apollo 12 than for Apollo 11, Conrad and Bean making several geology field trips in preparation for their mission. Apollo 12's spacecraft and launch vehicle were almost identical to Apollo 11's. One addition was hammocks to allow Conrad and Bean to rest more comfortably on the Moon.
Shortly after being launched on a rainy day at Kennedy Space Center, Apollo 12 was twice struck by
lightning, causing instrumentation problems but little damage. Switching to the auxiliary power supply resolved the data relay problem, saving the mission. The outward journey to the Moon otherwise saw few problems. On November 19, Conrad and Bean achieved a precise landing at their expected location within walking distance of the
Surveyor 3 robotic probe, which had landed on April 20, 1967. In making a pinpoint landing, they showed that NASA could plan future missions in the expectation that astronauts could land close to sites of scientific interest. Conrad and Bean carried the
Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package, a group of nuclear-powered scientific instruments, as well as the first color television camera taken by an Apollo mission to the lunar surface, but transmission was lost after Bean accidentally pointed the camera at the Sun and its sensor was burned out. On the second of two moonwalks, they visited Surveyor 3 and
removed parts for return to Earth.
Lunar Module Intrepid lifted off from the Moon on November 20 and docked with the command module, which subsequently traveled back to Earth. The Apollo 12 mission ended on November 24 with a successful
splashdown.
In October (2020), I reformatted / reworked the articles:
Progress MS-01 thru
Progress MS-15 to “raise the bar” on those Wikipedia entries.
The References (citations) were a disaster, so I adopted a “centralized style” for citations under Reference section of those articles. This often eliminated multiple entries for the same reference.
I added “future” Progress MS-xx missions that are currently on the Roscosmos manifest. The typical Russian production schedule for Progress spacecraft requires 18-24 month notice before the planned flight date.
For example, at the Roscosmos August 2020 meetings all 2021 flights were assigned mission launch dates. Based on that authority (citation),
Progress MS-16 thru
Progress MS-19 articles were added and reviewed for 2021.
Unfortunately, Russia has disclosed minimal information on the
Progress M-UM mission, outside of their August 2020 planning meeting. Currently scheduled for 6 September 2021 (after Progress MS-18). This mission will deliver the
Prichal module using the Progress M-UM; a modified Progress spacecraft which will be used to deliver it to
Russian Orbital Segment of ISS.
Beatgr (
talk) 20:42, 17 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks you
Beatgr your diligent work is much appreciated! —
JFGtalk 16:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Why No lists of launches this month
Why No lists of previous and planned launches this month ? They were my favourite bits of the downlink in our talk pages. -
Rod57 (
talk) 03:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Rod57: Because I was running late, and just wanted to send out a short version. It is a bit of a pain to make them lists, I had a few mins to make this months. So I excluded them, although I plan to continue them in the future.
Terasail[✉️] 16:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Did the bot push the August copy to everyone twice? -
Indefensible (
talk) 04:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Indefensible: This is an issue that happens sometimes with the MMS system.
Terasail[✉️] 14:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks, was just wondering if there was an update in the 2nd copy that I was missing. -
Indefensible (
talk) 17:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
No, it was the exact same message twice.
Terasail[✉️] 21:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Article statistics - How to find the actual articles (to work on them)
The grid summary is interesting, but I can't see how to find say the 9 articles that are high importance and only stub quality. The links at the top and on the left go to lists of all article types. It would save time to link eg. "stub" to
Category:Stub-Class_spaceflight_articles but even this doesn't indicate which are high importance. Could link "high" to
Category:High-importance_spaceflight_articles but likewise no way to filter by quality ? Best could be to link the grid squared "9" to those 9 articles so we can find them and try to improve them. ? -
Ro57 (
talk) 12:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Rod57: The table is from
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Assessment and on that page it has the links to the articles in the table. I can work on adding links to some of the classes, I initially remove all the links from the table since it would make a section of the downlink approximately 16k bytes, but I can add back the ones for the main classes (FA-stub).
Terasail[✉️] 19:15, 1 September 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Thanks. The table (with links) at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Assessment seems ideal. Perhaps the table title "Spaceflight articles by quality and importance" in the Downlink report could link to it ? -
Rod57 (
talk) 21:11, 10 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Releasing new issues
@
Terasail: I noticed there haven't been any new issues of the Downlink since October; would you like someone (I volunteer) to take over the newsletter?
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 13:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy Sure, I stopped since I started missing months and I couldn't really find time and lost interest in the project followed by taking a 5 month break from wikipedia. I can send out the newsletter if you do continue it. I hold no control over the project anymore and a new vision that you might bring to it would be nice.
Terasail[✉️] 14:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Is there a good guide for how to send out a mass newsletter? I'm unable to find one, and I would like to avoid having to coordinate for it to be sent out. Nothing against you; I just think it's good to improve the
bus factor for a project.
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 10:41, 25 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy To send out a message you need the
WP:MMS permission which usually requires a user to have made a few mass message requests before the right is granted. To request a new message to be sent you need the newsletter mailing list, and a page to be substituted onto every user's talk page. This is explained further at
WP:MMSREQUEST. Hope this helps sorry for the slow response, I have not been able to access the wiki for the last week.
Terasail[✉️] 20:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)reply
This page is within the scope of WikiProject Spaceflight, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
spaceflight on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SpaceflightWikipedia:WikiProject SpaceflightTemplate:WikiProject Spaceflightspaceflight articles
This page does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale.
Bringing the Downlink back
I'm unfamiliar with the process to update and publish a newsletter, but I think it would be good to at least acknowledge the changes that have occurred in
WP:SPACEFLIGHT. Would there be any issues in starting this up again?
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 08:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Hello @
Balon Greyjoy:, I have just updated the Downlink main page and it now shows a link to a new newsletter that I just created and is still in progress, also found at:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Downlink/2020/November which I am planning to transclude it to the main Downlink page on 1 November 2020.
Terasail[Talk] 13:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Nice work! I just looked through your post and I'll try to make sense of it so I can similarly contribute to it in the future. As I understand it, the page you linked just references data pulled from other pages, and once you transclude it on November 1, it will keep that info permanently (and the updated data will go on future pages)?
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 04:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy: When it is transcluded onto the
WP:DNL page, I will start up a November issue, and the transclusion only means it will be displayed on the main page. The most current issue of the newsletter will always be transcluded onto the main page but old issues have their own pages so you can look back at them
here. If you wish to have the October newsletter added to your talkpage on 1 November then add your username to
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Downlink/Recipients.
Terasail[Talk] 17:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Thanks for putting this together. Just to keep the Downlink from having a single point of failure, how is transclusion done? Specifically, how will you copy the data from the assessment table to be able data and not just linking to current numbers? Happy to leave this project to you, but I want to prevent missing issues if you are off Wikipedia at the time.
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 05:13, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy: Well, I will substitute the wiki projects status tables onto the article page. Then on the main page on November, I will add {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Downlink/2020/October}}, to the current issue section. Which will display it. The subst: tags are already in html comments ready to be added on October 31.
Terasail II[Talk] 11:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
GMT vs. UTC
Any objection if I change "All times stated here are in GMT." to "All times stated here are in UTC."
2020 in spaceflight and alike pages uses UTC?
OkayKenji(
talk •
contribs) 03:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Yep, I really should have labeled it with UTC Rather than GMT. Thanks for noticing.
Terasail II[Talk] 11:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Fun!
I am delighted in anything that adds to the espirit d'corps of our group.
I've been plugging away at 1960s satellites at my usual glacial pace (though I took today off and, of course, immediately started playing with WP!)
I have several suggestions for the list of launches. The first suggestion is that there be a
flag icon next to each launch to denote where it launched. The second is that there be an indicator for crewed launches. And finally, colorize the date and time of the launch to denote whether the launch was successful (green), a failure (red), or a partial failure (yellow). Here's an example of last month's launches with these three suggestions:
@
ZLEA: I have added a version of this into the November issue, thanks for the suggestion. I altered the colours for a tick and added an astronaut icon as changes from this. I might remove the uncrewed icons as it seems a bit too much, interested in other opinions.
Terasail[Talk] 17:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Terasail Looks good. Yeah, I think the uncrewed icons are a bit too much, most launches are uncrewed so it would make sense to specifically denote the crewed ones and not the uncrewed ones. One other suggestion I forgot is that you could use more specific rocket variants, expecially if the variants have their own articles. For example, the Falcon 9 launches are the
Falcon 9 Block 5 variant, and the Soyuz launch is a
Soyuz 2.1b. -
ZLEAT\C 15:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
May we also add the successful launch of the Falcon Heavy USSF-44 to a November edition?
QuicksmartTortoise513 (
talk) 15:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Issue-2 article of the month
I have nominated an article of the month for the Vol-1 Issue-2 of The Downlink. It is an article about
Apollo 12:
Apollo 12 would have attempted the first lunar landing had
Apollo 11 failed, but after the success of
Neil Armstrong's mission, Apollo 12 was postponed by two months, and other Apollo missions also put on a more relaxed schedule. More time was allotted for geologic training in preparation for Apollo 12 than for Apollo 11, Conrad and Bean making several geology field trips in preparation for their mission. Apollo 12's spacecraft and launch vehicle were almost identical to Apollo 11's. One addition was hammocks to allow Conrad and Bean to rest more comfortably on the Moon.
Shortly after being launched on a rainy day at Kennedy Space Center, Apollo 12 was twice struck by
lightning, causing instrumentation problems but little damage. Switching to the auxiliary power supply resolved the data relay problem, saving the mission. The outward journey to the Moon otherwise saw few problems. On November 19, Conrad and Bean achieved a precise landing at their expected location within walking distance of the
Surveyor 3 robotic probe, which had landed on April 20, 1967. In making a pinpoint landing, they showed that NASA could plan future missions in the expectation that astronauts could land close to sites of scientific interest. Conrad and Bean carried the
Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package, a group of nuclear-powered scientific instruments, as well as the first color television camera taken by an Apollo mission to the lunar surface, but transmission was lost after Bean accidentally pointed the camera at the Sun and its sensor was burned out. On the second of two moonwalks, they visited Surveyor 3 and
removed parts for return to Earth.
Lunar Module Intrepid lifted off from the Moon on November 20 and docked with the command module, which subsequently traveled back to Earth. The Apollo 12 mission ended on November 24 with a successful
splashdown.
In October (2020), I reformatted / reworked the articles:
Progress MS-01 thru
Progress MS-15 to “raise the bar” on those Wikipedia entries.
The References (citations) were a disaster, so I adopted a “centralized style” for citations under Reference section of those articles. This often eliminated multiple entries for the same reference.
I added “future” Progress MS-xx missions that are currently on the Roscosmos manifest. The typical Russian production schedule for Progress spacecraft requires 18-24 month notice before the planned flight date.
For example, at the Roscosmos August 2020 meetings all 2021 flights were assigned mission launch dates. Based on that authority (citation),
Progress MS-16 thru
Progress MS-19 articles were added and reviewed for 2021.
Unfortunately, Russia has disclosed minimal information on the
Progress M-UM mission, outside of their August 2020 planning meeting. Currently scheduled for 6 September 2021 (after Progress MS-18). This mission will deliver the
Prichal module using the Progress M-UM; a modified Progress spacecraft which will be used to deliver it to
Russian Orbital Segment of ISS.
Beatgr (
talk) 20:42, 17 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks you
Beatgr your diligent work is much appreciated! —
JFGtalk 16:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Why No lists of launches this month
Why No lists of previous and planned launches this month ? They were my favourite bits of the downlink in our talk pages. -
Rod57 (
talk) 03:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Rod57: Because I was running late, and just wanted to send out a short version. It is a bit of a pain to make them lists, I had a few mins to make this months. So I excluded them, although I plan to continue them in the future.
Terasail[✉️] 16:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Did the bot push the August copy to everyone twice? -
Indefensible (
talk) 04:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Indefensible: This is an issue that happens sometimes with the MMS system.
Terasail[✉️] 14:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks, was just wondering if there was an update in the 2nd copy that I was missing. -
Indefensible (
talk) 17:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
No, it was the exact same message twice.
Terasail[✉️] 21:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Article statistics - How to find the actual articles (to work on them)
The grid summary is interesting, but I can't see how to find say the 9 articles that are high importance and only stub quality. The links at the top and on the left go to lists of all article types. It would save time to link eg. "stub" to
Category:Stub-Class_spaceflight_articles but even this doesn't indicate which are high importance. Could link "high" to
Category:High-importance_spaceflight_articles but likewise no way to filter by quality ? Best could be to link the grid squared "9" to those 9 articles so we can find them and try to improve them. ? -
Ro57 (
talk) 12:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Rod57: The table is from
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Assessment and on that page it has the links to the articles in the table. I can work on adding links to some of the classes, I initially remove all the links from the table since it would make a section of the downlink approximately 16k bytes, but I can add back the ones for the main classes (FA-stub).
Terasail[✉️] 19:15, 1 September 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Thanks. The table (with links) at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Assessment seems ideal. Perhaps the table title "Spaceflight articles by quality and importance" in the Downlink report could link to it ? -
Rod57 (
talk) 21:11, 10 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Releasing new issues
@
Terasail: I noticed there haven't been any new issues of the Downlink since October; would you like someone (I volunteer) to take over the newsletter?
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 13:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy Sure, I stopped since I started missing months and I couldn't really find time and lost interest in the project followed by taking a 5 month break from wikipedia. I can send out the newsletter if you do continue it. I hold no control over the project anymore and a new vision that you might bring to it would be nice.
Terasail[✉️] 14:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Terasail: Is there a good guide for how to send out a mass newsletter? I'm unable to find one, and I would like to avoid having to coordinate for it to be sent out. Nothing against you; I just think it's good to improve the
bus factor for a project.
Balon Greyjoy (
talk) 10:41, 25 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Balon Greyjoy To send out a message you need the
WP:MMS permission which usually requires a user to have made a few mass message requests before the right is granted. To request a new message to be sent you need the newsletter mailing list, and a page to be substituted onto every user's talk page. This is explained further at
WP:MMSREQUEST. Hope this helps sorry for the slow response, I have not been able to access the wiki for the last week.
Terasail[✉️] 20:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)reply
