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We currently have at least 17 space-related WikiProjects, which are starting to overlap and become unmanagable. I am therefore proposing that they be restructured and reorganised in order to improve productivity and reduce duplication of work.
(based on categorisation and/or information on project pages)
This proposal reduces 17 projects to just 6
This is just an inital proposal, please discuss changes and improvements here. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 15:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps someone could make an infobox that shows the hierachical relationship of these projects? Lunokhod 22:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Why by the way, is constellations task force crossed over? Rursus 20:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
IMHO, I think that Astronomical objects is so active that it shall be in a separate wikiproject. While astronomy may take care of constellations, observations and telescopes, astronomy maths and physics, astronomy history and the like, astronomical objects draws an immense amount of band width, and as I believe, also the vast number of solar system objects. Astronomical objects for stars and deep sky, solar system for planets (including exoplanets IMHO). Rursus 20:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[Proposition image archived here: User:Rursus/Proprs] Rursus 11:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Commenting my own proposal: it's easy to forget that the encyclopedia users need a superficial overview over the vast myriad of topics before delving deep into the sciences, like we have done a long time ago – therefore I believe it's of outmost importance that we have coordinating WikiProjects like Space Wikiproject even if it's area of responsibility would seem unclear. Rursus 22:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that Solar System studies should be a subset of "astronomy". In essence, while this was probably the case before the space race, when solar system studies were based primarily on observational techniques, today, solar system studies have evolved more towards geology, atmospheres, geophysics, hydrology, geochemistry, isotopes, etc.; i.e., the understanding of how a specific planet evolves with time through internal and external forces. Before extrasolar planets were discovered, I'd say "planetary scientists", and "astrophysics" worked almost in isolation. Nevertheless, today people are starting to talk about solar system formation in the context of these newly discovered planetary systems, so maybe this is no longer true. While both disciplines use "remote sensing", in practice, these methods are not that similar. Just my opinion. Lunokhod 22:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I quite like the proposal in the orange box. I'd be happy with that rather than my proposal. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 20:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Nothing's happening! Now I can't wait anymore! The mess must be cleaned up, and even though I prefer my proposal, It is better that something is happening, than that my proposal wins. Hereby I withdraw all my own proposals in favor for the current Revised structure. Iff one of my own proposals is sufficiently better than the Revised structure, natural evolution of peoples activities here will successively change the structure towards that proposals in some future. It's important to go on from here, but this or that structure is not that important, IMHO. Are we ready to decide? Rursus 17:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that Space missions should be kept as a task force under Human Spaceflight. There are over 100 Space Shuttle missions alone, most of which are poorly formatted. Add to that the Apollo, Gemini, Mercury and Constellation missions, plus all the Russian missions, and all the Chinese missions that are going to start going up sometime soon, and I think we need to have something to give them a uniform structure. -- Miguel Cervantes 23:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
To be honest, from what I can see, the entire WikiProject seems to be completely paralysed - no-one is maintaining the main page, and nothing has changed since, I believe, August 2006 - as I said on the STS-117 talk page, I think the project should be completely restarted, probably with the task forces suggested, in an effort to breathe some life back into it... Colds7ream 22:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The proposal says
Hmm, the intention is right – constellation works is not an independent interest, it should belong somewhere, but I think it would be more appropriate to put the Constellations task force near Astronomical Objects, not Astronomy unless some other Space group expresses a very deep interest in constellations (Astrology uncounted for, but that's a matter of outgroup coexistence). Rursus 20:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
(Rursus moved this discussion here because he thought that it belonged to here. Rursus 20:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC))
I don't know. There is a space portal, but this project seems to be redundant with all of the other subtopics, such as solar system, astronomy, and space exploration. Lunokhod 23:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
It looks like all of the articles tagged by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Solar System had already been tagged and assessed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomical objects. The solar system topic is obv. broad enough to justify a new wikiproject, but is the plan reassess all of the solar system topic articles? Also, see Category:Solar System articles by quality which has two entries for each class of article ("Solar system" and "Solar System") -- mikeu 16:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it is natural to separate objects in the solar system from objects not in the solar system.. in the same way it is natural to separate objects on Earth and those not on Earth. But at the same time, I don't see a point of WikiProjects being territorial over the overlapping articles. So I'm in favour of the three Astronomy, Solar System, and Space exploration as the main WikiProjects. Mlm42 12:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Appears rather inactive, with one edit since July last year (9 months). This also looks like a candidate for "reshuffling". Any ideas about what to do with this? MER-C 08:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to establish a common database for all space-related wikiprojects to share templates in areas where they overlap. This would provide a centralised area for such resources and discussion about them, therby improving the mantainance and upkeep of these templates, and reducing the risk of duplication (I am aware of at least two infoboxes for astronauts that currently exist, and there used to be three for rockets). Also, could/should all userboxes be moved into project or userspace. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 14:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Are articles on private space exploration within the scope of the WikiProject? -- Strangerer ( Talk | Contribs) 18:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The portal for WikiProject Space ( Portal:Space) is still under construction, and it seems to be almost identical to Portal:Astronomy in what it covers. The state of the space-related portals isn't too good overall, and I think that this mirrors the problem with the space WikiProjects currently. We shouldn't neglect each portal if we want to improve the space WikiProjects so I think that the following reorganization should be done to mirror the reorganization of the WikiProjects:
Portal:Space would be completely remade into a "portal of portals" to showcase Portal:Astronomy, Portal:Solar System, and Portal:Space exploration (the main three space portals) and possibly their subportals. It would be maintained by all three WikiProjects and both point to those portals and articles related to them. The rest of the structure would be reorganized to mirror the revised structure so WikiProjects (or taskforces) each maintain a portal. This would also provide a hierarchy of the portals, which will help people find what they're looking for. An alternative would be to merge Portal:Spaceflight and Portal:Space exploration and not create a Portal:Rocketry, depending on the demand and ability to maintain.
We should stop linking to Portal:Physics (unless there's an astrophysics one?), Portal:Aviation (not related to the space projects at all), and Portal:Astrology (a pseudoscience), which are not maintained by Space-related WikiProjects. The reorganized portals should be plenty to link to. If needed, we can start a portals taskforce off of WikiProject Space to make sure all of the portals are maintained and done well (my experience with portals is primarily the featured portal candidate Portal:Solar System so I can help there). I think portals cannot remain neglected as they are a good way to recruit people to WikiProjects and to show the efforts of the WikiProjects as well. — Pious7 Talk Contribs 20:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
When reading again: you speak about a portal of portals. If you start it, I'm in! (Besides I'm already a member of WikiProject Space, and if I'm lying by forgetfulness, then soon will be). Said: Rursus 12:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I would be inclined to oppose the move from Portal:Spaceflight to Portal:Human spaceflight, as this defeats the object for which it was originally created. It was intended to cover both manned and unmanned flights, and I feel that this is what it should continue to do. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 11:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I withdraw this part of my proposal. This portal shouldn't be renamed and a Space taskforce on portals might help for portals that don't coincide with a WikiProject or taskforce. — Pious 7 19:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
One last issue of the portal was raised in the #Portal:Space discussion. Should Portal:Spaceflight be a subportal of Portal:Space exploration or should it just be under Portal:Space? It doesn't mean that much except organizationally. If under the "portal of portals" directly, however, it would probably be featured alongside Portal:Astronomy, Portal:Solar System, and Portal:Space exploration. — Pious 7 19:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Sun. MER-C 12:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Per the discussion on #Portal:Spaceflight, the consensus seems to be to keep it as-is. Would it then be easier to drop this part of the proposal and have rocketry be part of Portal:Spaceflight's coverage? — Pious 7 19:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from #Portal:Spaceflight discussion.
Good idea. I think that a taskforce under the coordinating WikiProject Space might be useful in maintaining all Space-related subportals (with the help of any related WikiProjects) and Portal:Space. This would keep things organized, somewhat standard, and give WikiProject Space another use. This could get all Space portals to featured status (it's not that hard - I got my first portal, Portal:Solar System, featured). Working on a portal requires skill in portal design, not specific knowledge of the Space subtopic, so putting the actual design element to a portal taskforce would probably be more efficient. — Pious 7 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The last major change is on the creation of Portal:Moon. This is rather simple: is there enough interest and material to create and maintain a portal for the Moon? — Pious 7 19:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
This will need to be updated to reflect the reorganization of Space-related portals. I think that the bottom three portals (Physics, Aviation, and Astrology) should stop being linked to altogether in favor of only showing the portals that are directly under the Space WikiProject, but this means that the structure of the page will have to change. — Pious 7 19:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I have seen {{ WPSpace}} used on some articles. In addition, when tagging pages for the Solar System WikiProject I used it to merge all Space-related WikiProject templates when there were other Space WikiProjects already there to prevent clutter. Should we just merge all of the assessment talk page templates into {{ WPSpace}} for uniformity, especially if there's going to be an overlap? — Pious 7 18:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
No edits have been made to this page since 2007-05-31. Are there any active plans, or can we call this one archived? MER-C 13:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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We currently have at least 17 space-related WikiProjects, which are starting to overlap and become unmanagable. I am therefore proposing that they be restructured and reorganised in order to improve productivity and reduce duplication of work.
(based on categorisation and/or information on project pages)
This proposal reduces 17 projects to just 6
This is just an inital proposal, please discuss changes and improvements here. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 15:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps someone could make an infobox that shows the hierachical relationship of these projects? Lunokhod 22:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Why by the way, is constellations task force crossed over? Rursus 20:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
IMHO, I think that Astronomical objects is so active that it shall be in a separate wikiproject. While astronomy may take care of constellations, observations and telescopes, astronomy maths and physics, astronomy history and the like, astronomical objects draws an immense amount of band width, and as I believe, also the vast number of solar system objects. Astronomical objects for stars and deep sky, solar system for planets (including exoplanets IMHO). Rursus 20:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[Proposition image archived here: User:Rursus/Proprs] Rursus 11:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Commenting my own proposal: it's easy to forget that the encyclopedia users need a superficial overview over the vast myriad of topics before delving deep into the sciences, like we have done a long time ago – therefore I believe it's of outmost importance that we have coordinating WikiProjects like Space Wikiproject even if it's area of responsibility would seem unclear. Rursus 22:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that Solar System studies should be a subset of "astronomy". In essence, while this was probably the case before the space race, when solar system studies were based primarily on observational techniques, today, solar system studies have evolved more towards geology, atmospheres, geophysics, hydrology, geochemistry, isotopes, etc.; i.e., the understanding of how a specific planet evolves with time through internal and external forces. Before extrasolar planets were discovered, I'd say "planetary scientists", and "astrophysics" worked almost in isolation. Nevertheless, today people are starting to talk about solar system formation in the context of these newly discovered planetary systems, so maybe this is no longer true. While both disciplines use "remote sensing", in practice, these methods are not that similar. Just my opinion. Lunokhod 22:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I quite like the proposal in the orange box. I'd be happy with that rather than my proposal. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 20:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Nothing's happening! Now I can't wait anymore! The mess must be cleaned up, and even though I prefer my proposal, It is better that something is happening, than that my proposal wins. Hereby I withdraw all my own proposals in favor for the current Revised structure. Iff one of my own proposals is sufficiently better than the Revised structure, natural evolution of peoples activities here will successively change the structure towards that proposals in some future. It's important to go on from here, but this or that structure is not that important, IMHO. Are we ready to decide? Rursus 17:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that Space missions should be kept as a task force under Human Spaceflight. There are over 100 Space Shuttle missions alone, most of which are poorly formatted. Add to that the Apollo, Gemini, Mercury and Constellation missions, plus all the Russian missions, and all the Chinese missions that are going to start going up sometime soon, and I think we need to have something to give them a uniform structure. -- Miguel Cervantes 23:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
To be honest, from what I can see, the entire WikiProject seems to be completely paralysed - no-one is maintaining the main page, and nothing has changed since, I believe, August 2006 - as I said on the STS-117 talk page, I think the project should be completely restarted, probably with the task forces suggested, in an effort to breathe some life back into it... Colds7ream 22:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The proposal says
Hmm, the intention is right – constellation works is not an independent interest, it should belong somewhere, but I think it would be more appropriate to put the Constellations task force near Astronomical Objects, not Astronomy unless some other Space group expresses a very deep interest in constellations (Astrology uncounted for, but that's a matter of outgroup coexistence). Rursus 20:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
(Rursus moved this discussion here because he thought that it belonged to here. Rursus 20:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC))
I don't know. There is a space portal, but this project seems to be redundant with all of the other subtopics, such as solar system, astronomy, and space exploration. Lunokhod 23:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
It looks like all of the articles tagged by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Solar System had already been tagged and assessed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomical objects. The solar system topic is obv. broad enough to justify a new wikiproject, but is the plan reassess all of the solar system topic articles? Also, see Category:Solar System articles by quality which has two entries for each class of article ("Solar system" and "Solar System") -- mikeu 16:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it is natural to separate objects in the solar system from objects not in the solar system.. in the same way it is natural to separate objects on Earth and those not on Earth. But at the same time, I don't see a point of WikiProjects being territorial over the overlapping articles. So I'm in favour of the three Astronomy, Solar System, and Space exploration as the main WikiProjects. Mlm42 12:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Appears rather inactive, with one edit since July last year (9 months). This also looks like a candidate for "reshuffling". Any ideas about what to do with this? MER-C 08:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to establish a common database for all space-related wikiprojects to share templates in areas where they overlap. This would provide a centralised area for such resources and discussion about them, therby improving the mantainance and upkeep of these templates, and reducing the risk of duplication (I am aware of at least two infoboxes for astronauts that currently exist, and there used to be three for rockets). Also, could/should all userboxes be moved into project or userspace. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 14:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Are articles on private space exploration within the scope of the WikiProject? -- Strangerer ( Talk | Contribs) 18:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The portal for WikiProject Space ( Portal:Space) is still under construction, and it seems to be almost identical to Portal:Astronomy in what it covers. The state of the space-related portals isn't too good overall, and I think that this mirrors the problem with the space WikiProjects currently. We shouldn't neglect each portal if we want to improve the space WikiProjects so I think that the following reorganization should be done to mirror the reorganization of the WikiProjects:
Portal:Space would be completely remade into a "portal of portals" to showcase Portal:Astronomy, Portal:Solar System, and Portal:Space exploration (the main three space portals) and possibly their subportals. It would be maintained by all three WikiProjects and both point to those portals and articles related to them. The rest of the structure would be reorganized to mirror the revised structure so WikiProjects (or taskforces) each maintain a portal. This would also provide a hierarchy of the portals, which will help people find what they're looking for. An alternative would be to merge Portal:Spaceflight and Portal:Space exploration and not create a Portal:Rocketry, depending on the demand and ability to maintain.
We should stop linking to Portal:Physics (unless there's an astrophysics one?), Portal:Aviation (not related to the space projects at all), and Portal:Astrology (a pseudoscience), which are not maintained by Space-related WikiProjects. The reorganized portals should be plenty to link to. If needed, we can start a portals taskforce off of WikiProject Space to make sure all of the portals are maintained and done well (my experience with portals is primarily the featured portal candidate Portal:Solar System so I can help there). I think portals cannot remain neglected as they are a good way to recruit people to WikiProjects and to show the efforts of the WikiProjects as well. — Pious7 Talk Contribs 20:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
When reading again: you speak about a portal of portals. If you start it, I'm in! (Besides I'm already a member of WikiProject Space, and if I'm lying by forgetfulness, then soon will be). Said: Rursus 12:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I would be inclined to oppose the move from Portal:Spaceflight to Portal:Human spaceflight, as this defeats the object for which it was originally created. It was intended to cover both manned and unmanned flights, and I feel that this is what it should continue to do. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 11:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I withdraw this part of my proposal. This portal shouldn't be renamed and a Space taskforce on portals might help for portals that don't coincide with a WikiProject or taskforce. — Pious 7 19:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
One last issue of the portal was raised in the #Portal:Space discussion. Should Portal:Spaceflight be a subportal of Portal:Space exploration or should it just be under Portal:Space? It doesn't mean that much except organizationally. If under the "portal of portals" directly, however, it would probably be featured alongside Portal:Astronomy, Portal:Solar System, and Portal:Space exploration. — Pious 7 19:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Sun. MER-C 12:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Per the discussion on #Portal:Spaceflight, the consensus seems to be to keep it as-is. Would it then be easier to drop this part of the proposal and have rocketry be part of Portal:Spaceflight's coverage? — Pious 7 19:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from #Portal:Spaceflight discussion.
Good idea. I think that a taskforce under the coordinating WikiProject Space might be useful in maintaining all Space-related subportals (with the help of any related WikiProjects) and Portal:Space. This would keep things organized, somewhat standard, and give WikiProject Space another use. This could get all Space portals to featured status (it's not that hard - I got my first portal, Portal:Solar System, featured). Working on a portal requires skill in portal design, not specific knowledge of the Space subtopic, so putting the actual design element to a portal taskforce would probably be more efficient. — Pious 7 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The last major change is on the creation of Portal:Moon. This is rather simple: is there enough interest and material to create and maintain a portal for the Moon? — Pious 7 19:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
This will need to be updated to reflect the reorganization of Space-related portals. I think that the bottom three portals (Physics, Aviation, and Astrology) should stop being linked to altogether in favor of only showing the portals that are directly under the Space WikiProject, but this means that the structure of the page will have to change. — Pious 7 19:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I have seen {{ WPSpace}} used on some articles. In addition, when tagging pages for the Solar System WikiProject I used it to merge all Space-related WikiProject templates when there were other Space WikiProjects already there to prevent clutter. Should we just merge all of the assessment talk page templates into {{ WPSpace}} for uniformity, especially if there's going to be an overlap? — Pious 7 18:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
No edits have been made to this page since 2007-05-31. Are there any active plans, or can we call this one archived? MER-C 13:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)