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18:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
While "launch vehicles" was somewhat restrictive, I'm concerned that rocketry, generally speaking, is not a proper subset of Space at all. (Many missiles are rockets. Many other rockets do not reach or attempt to reach space.) And in theory, not all launches are by means of rocketry. (E.g.: elevator contraptions.) Perhaps "launch vehicles" could be replaced with "spacecraft propulsion"? That would include launch, station-keeping, interplanetary propulsion.
Sdsds
20:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I want to withdraw the concerns expressed above, and instead express support for the rename: Wikipedia:WikiProject Launch vehicles → Wikipedia:WikiProject Rocketry. Two lines of reasoning support this rename, one is about the content of the articles and one is about the social aspect of the project. Although not every theoretical launch vehicle is necessarily a rocket, all real-world examples are. If a time ever came, years in the future, when space launches happen by means other than rocketry, that would be the time to reconsider. Until then, space launch is a subset of rocketry. On the other hand, the commonality in technology between launch vehicles and ICBMs is crystal clear. Many, many LVs are derived from ICBMs. From a wiki-social perspective, the LV contributors will benefit from closer interaction with the military history (and current military weaponry) experts. Sdsds 22:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The result was "upmerged", so to say, to include everything Mars. Discussion about task forces should be in a new section, as this appears to be more controversial. MER-C 07:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Currently Wikipedia:WikiProject Martian Geography starts with "The purpose of this WikiProject is to create, expand, improve and standardize articles about geographical features, such as craters, mountains, and canyons, on the planet Mars. This is very much a work in progress." - if it's going to be a general Mars Wikiproject this sentence should be changed so that people know the purpose of the page. Also it then makes sence to change the name to WikiPedia:WikiProject Mars. Then, later, if people want a separate WikiProject Martian Geography they can create a new one. An alternative strategy is just to start a new Mars project - but the consensus here seems to be against more projects - there has already been some discussion here - do please comment..., regards sbandrews 10:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind a general Mars Wikiproject but I'd stop there. "Task force" seems like a meaningless buzzword. I doubt the proposal to make WP:MARS a task force will succeed, as five of the project members (including me) have said that the result should be a generalised Mars project. The speedy tag has slipped off, so once we have consensus (currently 6/0/4) we are going to have to do a requested move. Or just ask Marskell to do it. MER-C 08:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Project was subsumed by WP:MARS. MER-C 08:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I notified members of this project that were not also members of Wikiproject Martian geography about the proposed merger into wikiproject mars and wikiproject space exploration - put any comments here, regards sbandrews 18:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I updated the counts in the member list box. I also moved constellations out from under solar system in the proposed table above.-- mikeu 17:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking about how to combine the Moon and Mars projects with the parent Solar System project, and have come up with the following idea: What if we just leave the projects as they are, but redirect the talk pages to the Solar System talk page? (I assume that this is technically possible.) I think the Moon and Mars subprojects are useful, as they track only the related articles, and have done article assessments. If we were to combine all solar system subjects under one banner and assessment scheme, it would be much harder for those who are interested in only improving the lunar and martian pages to do so. As an example, there are about 150 Moon related topics. Lunokhod 10:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a 20 minute hack. Feel free to change it. I don't think the member count and assessment status are necessary, but we could add them. We could also add links to talk pages, or portals. Lunokhod 23:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
User:Rursus/navastroproj2 |
Spaceprojnav:
Looks great. I'm not sure if the "project discussion" link is necessary though. Lunokhod 21:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
what are current thoughts on article assessments? it seems somehow more organized to have only 3 banners, one for each of Astronomy, Solar System, and Space Exploration, (or whatever the main WikiProjects will be). Then each of these banners could further specify decendant projects or task forces, but would ulitmately have one assessment scheme each. At the moment there seems to be a few redundant assessment schemes and banners which should probably by unified (i.e. Moon and Mars should be unified under Solar System). but i'm not sure how much work such a unification would entail.. Mlm42 22:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to unite all assessments into one template? {{WPSpace}}, or some such. It could read something along the lines of: "This article is a part of WikiProject Space. The such-and-such taskforce, which is a part of such-and-such sub-project, oversees this article." If several task forces oversee it (Apollo 11, for instance), the template could have room for that. This way we could keep the template standard and easy to change.-- Miguel Cervantes 20:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Do not merge the WPSpace and WPAstronomy templates - I (and possibly other editors) may have little or no interest in the manned space program but may have a very strong interest in astronomy. I therefore would not find it useful to merge everything under "space". As I have stated before, manned space exploration and astronomy should be maintained as separate topics. They actually have little overlap. Dr. Submillimeter 10:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have no objections to Template:WPAstronomy being subsumed into a new Template:WPSpace. However, I do have some suggestions:
Rather than talking about this too much, i went ahead and did what i was talking about, so that we can decide whether or not we like it. It's found at {{ WPSpace}}.. i haven't finished implementing all the possible projects, but to do so won't be much work. See User:Mlm42/test for an example that shows everything i have done.. i believe it adds the correct categories, and each related project can have their own little image, and the projects with importance ratings can add those as well. let me know what you think. Mlm42 11:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right, well as far as i can tell, the new banner now has the same (in fact more) functionality of {{ WPAstronomy}}, {{ WPSS}}, {{ WPMoon}}, {{ WPMars}} and {{ WP Space exploration}}.. did i miss any? Unless i'm mistaken, it's good to go.
i've only added the subprojects which have an assessment scheme already set up. We could also add other projects, such as the Constellations task force, or Timeline of Spaceflight, or Launch vehicles, but before doing so, should we consider setting up an assessment scheme for them at the same time? (indeed, assessments for WikiProject Space isn't set up yet) Mlm42 00:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Submillimeter has expressed concern that the first link on the banner is WikiProject Space, which perhaps isn't to most direct route to answer somebody's question. For example, if the article were covered under Astronomy, perhaps having a WikiProject Astronomy link first would be better? Mlm42 17:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I have some concerns with it:
— Pious7 Talk Contribs 20:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
My main interest is the WikiProject Television, but once in a while, when I feel like doing something else, I do some small edits to some space related articles. I was really surprised to find so many of them in such a bad state, especially some of the older Soyuz and Space shuttle missions. I think this reorganization is gonna be really good to focus the efforts of the editors. Since June 2006 I have been striving to get Wikipedia Television viable again, and together with a couple of other editors who see the importance of better editor directions for sub-wikiprojects and taskforces, I think I can say we have succeeded. Really the only thing I still want to tackle is setting up a good assessment department, because it's currently a tad inactive. I would like to say that you guys should keep at it. The people will come once they see there are more editors committed to properly organizing it. Don't be afraid to take action. WikiProject rules can always be changed, you just need to get the discussion started and making changes is often the only way. Also, the collecting of templates like suggested above is a really good thing. The templates are often the glue that links all the articles in your WikiProject together. Keeping an eye on them, and making their appearances "familiar" will improve the reading experience of others. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Implement--GW_Simulations
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Talk
18:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
While "launch vehicles" was somewhat restrictive, I'm concerned that rocketry, generally speaking, is not a proper subset of Space at all. (Many missiles are rockets. Many other rockets do not reach or attempt to reach space.) And in theory, not all launches are by means of rocketry. (E.g.: elevator contraptions.) Perhaps "launch vehicles" could be replaced with "spacecraft propulsion"? That would include launch, station-keeping, interplanetary propulsion.
Sdsds
20:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I want to withdraw the concerns expressed above, and instead express support for the rename: Wikipedia:WikiProject Launch vehicles → Wikipedia:WikiProject Rocketry. Two lines of reasoning support this rename, one is about the content of the articles and one is about the social aspect of the project. Although not every theoretical launch vehicle is necessarily a rocket, all real-world examples are. If a time ever came, years in the future, when space launches happen by means other than rocketry, that would be the time to reconsider. Until then, space launch is a subset of rocketry. On the other hand, the commonality in technology between launch vehicles and ICBMs is crystal clear. Many, many LVs are derived from ICBMs. From a wiki-social perspective, the LV contributors will benefit from closer interaction with the military history (and current military weaponry) experts. Sdsds 22:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The result was "upmerged", so to say, to include everything Mars. Discussion about task forces should be in a new section, as this appears to be more controversial. MER-C 07:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Currently Wikipedia:WikiProject Martian Geography starts with "The purpose of this WikiProject is to create, expand, improve and standardize articles about geographical features, such as craters, mountains, and canyons, on the planet Mars. This is very much a work in progress." - if it's going to be a general Mars Wikiproject this sentence should be changed so that people know the purpose of the page. Also it then makes sence to change the name to WikiPedia:WikiProject Mars. Then, later, if people want a separate WikiProject Martian Geography they can create a new one. An alternative strategy is just to start a new Mars project - but the consensus here seems to be against more projects - there has already been some discussion here - do please comment..., regards sbandrews 10:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind a general Mars Wikiproject but I'd stop there. "Task force" seems like a meaningless buzzword. I doubt the proposal to make WP:MARS a task force will succeed, as five of the project members (including me) have said that the result should be a generalised Mars project. The speedy tag has slipped off, so once we have consensus (currently 6/0/4) we are going to have to do a requested move. Or just ask Marskell to do it. MER-C 08:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Project was subsumed by WP:MARS. MER-C 08:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I notified members of this project that were not also members of Wikiproject Martian geography about the proposed merger into wikiproject mars and wikiproject space exploration - put any comments here, regards sbandrews 18:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I updated the counts in the member list box. I also moved constellations out from under solar system in the proposed table above.-- mikeu 17:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking about how to combine the Moon and Mars projects with the parent Solar System project, and have come up with the following idea: What if we just leave the projects as they are, but redirect the talk pages to the Solar System talk page? (I assume that this is technically possible.) I think the Moon and Mars subprojects are useful, as they track only the related articles, and have done article assessments. If we were to combine all solar system subjects under one banner and assessment scheme, it would be much harder for those who are interested in only improving the lunar and martian pages to do so. As an example, there are about 150 Moon related topics. Lunokhod 10:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a 20 minute hack. Feel free to change it. I don't think the member count and assessment status are necessary, but we could add them. We could also add links to talk pages, or portals. Lunokhod 23:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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Looks great. I'm not sure if the "project discussion" link is necessary though. Lunokhod 21:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
what are current thoughts on article assessments? it seems somehow more organized to have only 3 banners, one for each of Astronomy, Solar System, and Space Exploration, (or whatever the main WikiProjects will be). Then each of these banners could further specify decendant projects or task forces, but would ulitmately have one assessment scheme each. At the moment there seems to be a few redundant assessment schemes and banners which should probably by unified (i.e. Moon and Mars should be unified under Solar System). but i'm not sure how much work such a unification would entail.. Mlm42 22:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to unite all assessments into one template? {{WPSpace}}, or some such. It could read something along the lines of: "This article is a part of WikiProject Space. The such-and-such taskforce, which is a part of such-and-such sub-project, oversees this article." If several task forces oversee it (Apollo 11, for instance), the template could have room for that. This way we could keep the template standard and easy to change.-- Miguel Cervantes 20:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Do not merge the WPSpace and WPAstronomy templates - I (and possibly other editors) may have little or no interest in the manned space program but may have a very strong interest in astronomy. I therefore would not find it useful to merge everything under "space". As I have stated before, manned space exploration and astronomy should be maintained as separate topics. They actually have little overlap. Dr. Submillimeter 10:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have no objections to Template:WPAstronomy being subsumed into a new Template:WPSpace. However, I do have some suggestions:
Rather than talking about this too much, i went ahead and did what i was talking about, so that we can decide whether or not we like it. It's found at {{ WPSpace}}.. i haven't finished implementing all the possible projects, but to do so won't be much work. See User:Mlm42/test for an example that shows everything i have done.. i believe it adds the correct categories, and each related project can have their own little image, and the projects with importance ratings can add those as well. let me know what you think. Mlm42 11:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right, well as far as i can tell, the new banner now has the same (in fact more) functionality of {{ WPAstronomy}}, {{ WPSS}}, {{ WPMoon}}, {{ WPMars}} and {{ WP Space exploration}}.. did i miss any? Unless i'm mistaken, it's good to go.
i've only added the subprojects which have an assessment scheme already set up. We could also add other projects, such as the Constellations task force, or Timeline of Spaceflight, or Launch vehicles, but before doing so, should we consider setting up an assessment scheme for them at the same time? (indeed, assessments for WikiProject Space isn't set up yet) Mlm42 00:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Submillimeter has expressed concern that the first link on the banner is WikiProject Space, which perhaps isn't to most direct route to answer somebody's question. For example, if the article were covered under Astronomy, perhaps having a WikiProject Astronomy link first would be better? Mlm42 17:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I have some concerns with it:
— Pious7 Talk Contribs 20:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
My main interest is the WikiProject Television, but once in a while, when I feel like doing something else, I do some small edits to some space related articles. I was really surprised to find so many of them in such a bad state, especially some of the older Soyuz and Space shuttle missions. I think this reorganization is gonna be really good to focus the efforts of the editors. Since June 2006 I have been striving to get Wikipedia Television viable again, and together with a couple of other editors who see the importance of better editor directions for sub-wikiprojects and taskforces, I think I can say we have succeeded. Really the only thing I still want to tackle is setting up a good assessment department, because it's currently a tad inactive. I would like to say that you guys should keep at it. The people will come once they see there are more editors committed to properly organizing it. Don't be afraid to take action. WikiProject rules can always be changed, you just need to get the discussion started and making changes is often the only way. Also, the collecting of templates like suggested above is a really good thing. The templates are often the glue that links all the articles in your WikiProject together. Keeping an eye on them, and making their appearances "familiar" will improve the reading experience of others. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)