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Can we develop an infobox for the individual islands, please? I would suggest an adaptation of Template:Infobox Scottish island. -- MacRusgail ( talk) 16:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Putting these up here as useful links:
-- MacRusgail ( talk) 21:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Early history of the region - these three articles should be kept an eye on...
Tierra_del_Fuego_Province_(Argentina) Viceroyalty_of_the_Río_de_la_Plata United Provinces of South America-- MacRusgail ( talk) 20:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
For information. The image Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg has been removed from several articles related to the Falklands War topics, then nominated for deletion here Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2008 August 12#Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg. Justin talk 16:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Have a look at Orcadas Base -- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There is a deletion review taking place here Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 December 30, which is likely to be of interest to Falklands editors. Justin talk 15:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
As some of you may know I have been attempting to assess all our articles into their relevant importance classes. I have recently created an Importance scale here and very much welcome contributions from others editors, whether it be correction of my terrible grammar/wording or discussing the inclusion of whole topics. Ryan4314 ( talk) 17:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I did a hit count on each of the examples that were listed as this gives a very good indication of the article's perceived importance from the point of view of the readers. This quick analysis showed that the article ARA General Belgrano was underrated. It might be worth subjecting other articles to a similar analysis. Martinvl ( talk) 21:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
First thought: I have no idea what to classify the many species of bird found on the island. [1] Animals that are indigenous to the islands I believe I classed as "medium", however most these birds migrate to the islands. Your thoughts?
Ok, I just counted 40 stubs with "island" in the title, so that's not counting all the bays, sounds, mounts, rivers and coves. In order to keep with the absolutely vital rule: the higher the class the fewer articles it should have. I'm going to start by defaulting these little islands to mid (perhaps low), if it's found that say for instance the Tyssen Islands are actually very important, then we can just simply move it up. Ryan4314 ( talk) 03:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Seems the silly season is upon us, I have nominated for deletion the work of fiction Gaucho Rivero. Please feel free to comment. Justin the Evil Scotman talk 08:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
April 2 is coming up and is usually accompanied with severe vandalism on Falkland articles. I realise tomorrow is a family day but could editors keep their watchlist under scrutiny. Justin the Evil Scotsman talk 19:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Where can I find the population for a) Camp settlements, and b) islands other than E & W Falkland? Thanks.-- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Article Matilde Malvina Vernet has been nominated for deletion. Editors are invited to comment here. Pfainuk talk 20:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I've put the text from the HMSO copy of the treaty on wikisource. wikisource:1850 Convention of Settlement. Long standing request for an article on this. Justin talk 21:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
The current policy on units is summarised in [ [2]]. It would be more accurate to refer to this policy rather than stating that the current consensus was Imperial first. Michael Glass ( talk) 00:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
I therefore propose to replace the present wording with the following:
Are there any comments, suggestions or objections? Michael Glass ( talk) 02:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I would like to add the following to the page Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names):
The Falkland Islands are a de facto British Overseas Territory to which Argentina has laid claim and over which a war was fought in 1982. In order to perserve a WP:NPOV, the English version of Wikipedia has adopted the convention that the lede for any Falkland Islands locality will always quote the Spanish name of the locality after the English name, but thereafter only the English name will be used. Elsewhere, unless the context demands otherwise, the only English names will be used. The Spanish version of Wikipedia has adopted a similar position, but with the roles of English and Spanish reversed.
Any comments - in particular have the Spanish editors agreed to this? Martinvl ( talk) 20:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Just found this article. Basically, it's a list of Argentine islands, which is inevitably part of our purview because it would probably be POV not to at least acknowledge the Falklands and SGSSI in such an article (though these make up most of the list). I've done a bit of moving of islands from the "undisputed" section and rewritten the lede - but it is still basically a Spanish-language article (with Argentine toponymy used exclusively). Anyone with a bit more time/knowledge than I do care to take a look at it? Thanks, Pfainuk talk 16:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
You may be interested to follow Commons:Deletion requests/PD-AR-Photo de la Guerra de Malvinas. Photos taken in Argentina in 1982 are in the PD in Argentina, but not in the US, and may need to be deleted. Cambalachero ( talk) 16:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
A DR/N and AN/I case has been opened in regards to this article under the scope of this project work group. I have kicked the DR/N back to this group for discussion. Any questions can be addressed on my talk page...in a civil manner please.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 02:24, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
An article I created on Antonina Roxa has been nominated for deletion. This has been requested by this workgroup for years. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:03, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
[3] Bringing this to your attention. W C M email 15:50, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
It seems that the featured article Falkland Islands will be in the main page on January 6, 2015. As it is a controversial article, get ready to revert the vandalisms that will surely pop up that day (I will be on vacation that day, so I can't help with that). The proposed blurb is located at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 6, 2015, and here are a couple of minor points mentioned at its talk page -- Cambalachero ( talk) 23:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
The article, Coins of the Falkland Islands pound has had all it's images deleted. I'm not sure what the problem was with them, I don't think it was even copyright just that the templates weren't filled out properly. So if any of you kelpers have a camera or someone knows where to get pics of the coinage... Ryan4314 ( talk) 20:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
There's a note at the flu article about the Argentine maps containing the Falklands, and its appropriateness. 76.66.203.200 ( talk) 05:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I put the following comment in -
I hope folk know what I'm driving at.-- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Some of you may have noticed that when using the banner, the importance parameter isn't working. This is because most of these banners have the incorrect text.
To remedy, change:
Falkland-Islands-importance=
To:
Falkland Islands-importance=
Remember there are two "importance" parameters, one for WP:South America and the other for the FI work group. I'll try and fix all these, but there are over 400 to do! I Appreciate any help I can get changing these, even if everyone just uses the correct template on new articles from now on. Ryan4314 ( talk) 14:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Justin directed me to this group after I made a proposal for a change to the introduction to the Falklands War page. Right now the second paragraph of it reads:
The war was triggered by the occupation of South Georgia by Argentina on 19 March 1982 followed by the occupation of the Falklands, and ended when Argentina surrendered on 14 June 1982. War was not actually declared by either side. The initial invasion was considered by Argentina as the re-occupation of its own territory, and by Britain as an invasion of a British overseas territory, and the most recent invasion of British territory by a foreign power.
My main concerns with this is that it states South Georgia was occupied in March, when it was not until April that the occupation occured. It also places too much importance on the events in March, which have been described in the Offical history as trivial. The March event did not effect the Falklands invasion but rather affected the timing of the Falklands invasion. They are related to the War but do not mark the beginning of the war. I would propose something to the effect of:
The Falklands War started on 2 April 1982 with the Argentine invasion and occupation of the Falkland Islands and South Georgia, and ended with the Argentine surrender on 14 June 1982. The conflict was the result of a protracted diplomatic confrontation regarding the sovereignty of the islands. Neither state officially declared war and the fighting was largely limited to the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Atlantic.
I'm not married to any particular wording, but I think my proposal is a definite improvement. I want to do other stuff to improve the article, but I got stuck trying to get through the intro. I think alot of the stuff in there could be moved, wholesale, down into the empty space under the heading "Lead-up to the conflict." There is unnecessary information in the introduction that makes it cluttered and sorta leaves the opening a little unfocused and confused. Any comments would be welcome. ( Pez Dispens3r ( talk) 13:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC))
The events surrounding the Falklands War started in March blah blah blah scrap merchants blah blah, ended when a giant dinosaur ate Thatcher (or whatever happened)
I am from Argentina and I do not recognize to any militar government like a president or " gobernador" so Galtieri was a dictator that made a war to Kelpers because he wanted to be a hero. In my opinion the Islands belong to Kelpers because they have been living there from many years. The Islands do not belong to Argentina or England.-- 190.30.209.134 ( talk) 02:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Please note a vote at Talk:Falkland Islands#Weights and Measures Proposal may have an effect on other Falkland Islandfs related articles and may result in WP:FALKLANDSUNIT being withdrawn and replaced by an essay if a proposal to use WP:UNITS instead gains a consensus. MilborneOne ( talk) 14:52, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
The project page still tells editors:
Is this consensus now made null and void by the decision at MfD discussion to drop that page? FactController ( talk) 19:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Units on Falklands-related articles shall be those recommended for non-scientific UK-related articles at WP:UNITS. Where any given unit is explicitly recommended or suggested by WP:UNITS for use in UK-related articles, Falklands-related articles will follow that recommendation or suggestion. No measure shall deviate from those measures without clear consensus, or where other parts of WP:UNITS take precedence.
There has been a recent edit in the {{ WikiProject South America}} template that modifies the image shown next to the "This article is supported by the Falkland Islands work group" text at the articles tagged as such. It used to show the flag of the islands, as most other task forces, and now it shows a mini-map of the islands. As this edit changes the visual appearence of the task force in talk pages, I would like to know if other members also accept it as a valid change Cambalachero ( talk) 15:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
Can we develop an infobox for the individual islands, please? I would suggest an adaptation of Template:Infobox Scottish island. -- MacRusgail ( talk) 16:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Putting these up here as useful links:
-- MacRusgail ( talk) 21:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Early history of the region - these three articles should be kept an eye on...
Tierra_del_Fuego_Province_(Argentina) Viceroyalty_of_the_Río_de_la_Plata United Provinces of South America-- MacRusgail ( talk) 20:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
For information. The image Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg has been removed from several articles related to the Falklands War topics, then nominated for deletion here Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2008 August 12#Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg. Justin talk 16:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Have a look at Orcadas Base -- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There is a deletion review taking place here Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 December 30, which is likely to be of interest to Falklands editors. Justin talk 15:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
As some of you may know I have been attempting to assess all our articles into their relevant importance classes. I have recently created an Importance scale here and very much welcome contributions from others editors, whether it be correction of my terrible grammar/wording or discussing the inclusion of whole topics. Ryan4314 ( talk) 17:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I did a hit count on each of the examples that were listed as this gives a very good indication of the article's perceived importance from the point of view of the readers. This quick analysis showed that the article ARA General Belgrano was underrated. It might be worth subjecting other articles to a similar analysis. Martinvl ( talk) 21:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
First thought: I have no idea what to classify the many species of bird found on the island. [1] Animals that are indigenous to the islands I believe I classed as "medium", however most these birds migrate to the islands. Your thoughts?
Ok, I just counted 40 stubs with "island" in the title, so that's not counting all the bays, sounds, mounts, rivers and coves. In order to keep with the absolutely vital rule: the higher the class the fewer articles it should have. I'm going to start by defaulting these little islands to mid (perhaps low), if it's found that say for instance the Tyssen Islands are actually very important, then we can just simply move it up. Ryan4314 ( talk) 03:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Seems the silly season is upon us, I have nominated for deletion the work of fiction Gaucho Rivero. Please feel free to comment. Justin the Evil Scotman talk 08:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
April 2 is coming up and is usually accompanied with severe vandalism on Falkland articles. I realise tomorrow is a family day but could editors keep their watchlist under scrutiny. Justin the Evil Scotsman talk 19:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Where can I find the population for a) Camp settlements, and b) islands other than E & W Falkland? Thanks.-- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Article Matilde Malvina Vernet has been nominated for deletion. Editors are invited to comment here. Pfainuk talk 20:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I've put the text from the HMSO copy of the treaty on wikisource. wikisource:1850 Convention of Settlement. Long standing request for an article on this. Justin talk 21:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
The current policy on units is summarised in [ [2]]. It would be more accurate to refer to this policy rather than stating that the current consensus was Imperial first. Michael Glass ( talk) 00:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
I therefore propose to replace the present wording with the following:
Are there any comments, suggestions or objections? Michael Glass ( talk) 02:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I would like to add the following to the page Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names):
The Falkland Islands are a de facto British Overseas Territory to which Argentina has laid claim and over which a war was fought in 1982. In order to perserve a WP:NPOV, the English version of Wikipedia has adopted the convention that the lede for any Falkland Islands locality will always quote the Spanish name of the locality after the English name, but thereafter only the English name will be used. Elsewhere, unless the context demands otherwise, the only English names will be used. The Spanish version of Wikipedia has adopted a similar position, but with the roles of English and Spanish reversed.
Any comments - in particular have the Spanish editors agreed to this? Martinvl ( talk) 20:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Just found this article. Basically, it's a list of Argentine islands, which is inevitably part of our purview because it would probably be POV not to at least acknowledge the Falklands and SGSSI in such an article (though these make up most of the list). I've done a bit of moving of islands from the "undisputed" section and rewritten the lede - but it is still basically a Spanish-language article (with Argentine toponymy used exclusively). Anyone with a bit more time/knowledge than I do care to take a look at it? Thanks, Pfainuk talk 16:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
You may be interested to follow Commons:Deletion requests/PD-AR-Photo de la Guerra de Malvinas. Photos taken in Argentina in 1982 are in the PD in Argentina, but not in the US, and may need to be deleted. Cambalachero ( talk) 16:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
A DR/N and AN/I case has been opened in regards to this article under the scope of this project work group. I have kicked the DR/N back to this group for discussion. Any questions can be addressed on my talk page...in a civil manner please.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 02:24, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
An article I created on Antonina Roxa has been nominated for deletion. This has been requested by this workgroup for years. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:03, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
[3] Bringing this to your attention. W C M email 15:50, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
It seems that the featured article Falkland Islands will be in the main page on January 6, 2015. As it is a controversial article, get ready to revert the vandalisms that will surely pop up that day (I will be on vacation that day, so I can't help with that). The proposed blurb is located at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 6, 2015, and here are a couple of minor points mentioned at its talk page -- Cambalachero ( talk) 23:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
The article, Coins of the Falkland Islands pound has had all it's images deleted. I'm not sure what the problem was with them, I don't think it was even copyright just that the templates weren't filled out properly. So if any of you kelpers have a camera or someone knows where to get pics of the coinage... Ryan4314 ( talk) 20:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
There's a note at the flu article about the Argentine maps containing the Falklands, and its appropriateness. 76.66.203.200 ( talk) 05:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I put the following comment in -
I hope folk know what I'm driving at.-- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Some of you may have noticed that when using the banner, the importance parameter isn't working. This is because most of these banners have the incorrect text.
To remedy, change:
Falkland-Islands-importance=
To:
Falkland Islands-importance=
Remember there are two "importance" parameters, one for WP:South America and the other for the FI work group. I'll try and fix all these, but there are over 400 to do! I Appreciate any help I can get changing these, even if everyone just uses the correct template on new articles from now on. Ryan4314 ( talk) 14:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Justin directed me to this group after I made a proposal for a change to the introduction to the Falklands War page. Right now the second paragraph of it reads:
The war was triggered by the occupation of South Georgia by Argentina on 19 March 1982 followed by the occupation of the Falklands, and ended when Argentina surrendered on 14 June 1982. War was not actually declared by either side. The initial invasion was considered by Argentina as the re-occupation of its own territory, and by Britain as an invasion of a British overseas territory, and the most recent invasion of British territory by a foreign power.
My main concerns with this is that it states South Georgia was occupied in March, when it was not until April that the occupation occured. It also places too much importance on the events in March, which have been described in the Offical history as trivial. The March event did not effect the Falklands invasion but rather affected the timing of the Falklands invasion. They are related to the War but do not mark the beginning of the war. I would propose something to the effect of:
The Falklands War started on 2 April 1982 with the Argentine invasion and occupation of the Falkland Islands and South Georgia, and ended with the Argentine surrender on 14 June 1982. The conflict was the result of a protracted diplomatic confrontation regarding the sovereignty of the islands. Neither state officially declared war and the fighting was largely limited to the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Atlantic.
I'm not married to any particular wording, but I think my proposal is a definite improvement. I want to do other stuff to improve the article, but I got stuck trying to get through the intro. I think alot of the stuff in there could be moved, wholesale, down into the empty space under the heading "Lead-up to the conflict." There is unnecessary information in the introduction that makes it cluttered and sorta leaves the opening a little unfocused and confused. Any comments would be welcome. ( Pez Dispens3r ( talk) 13:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC))
The events surrounding the Falklands War started in March blah blah blah scrap merchants blah blah, ended when a giant dinosaur ate Thatcher (or whatever happened)
I am from Argentina and I do not recognize to any militar government like a president or " gobernador" so Galtieri was a dictator that made a war to Kelpers because he wanted to be a hero. In my opinion the Islands belong to Kelpers because they have been living there from many years. The Islands do not belong to Argentina or England.-- 190.30.209.134 ( talk) 02:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Please note a vote at Talk:Falkland Islands#Weights and Measures Proposal may have an effect on other Falkland Islandfs related articles and may result in WP:FALKLANDSUNIT being withdrawn and replaced by an essay if a proposal to use WP:UNITS instead gains a consensus. MilborneOne ( talk) 14:52, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
The project page still tells editors:
Is this consensus now made null and void by the decision at MfD discussion to drop that page? FactController ( talk) 19:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Units on Falklands-related articles shall be those recommended for non-scientific UK-related articles at WP:UNITS. Where any given unit is explicitly recommended or suggested by WP:UNITS for use in UK-related articles, Falklands-related articles will follow that recommendation or suggestion. No measure shall deviate from those measures without clear consensus, or where other parts of WP:UNITS take precedence.
There has been a recent edit in the {{ WikiProject South America}} template that modifies the image shown next to the "This article is supported by the Falkland Islands work group" text at the articles tagged as such. It used to show the flag of the islands, as most other task forces, and now it shows a mini-map of the islands. As this edit changes the visual appearence of the task force in talk pages, I would like to know if other members also accept it as a valid change Cambalachero ( talk) 15:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)