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In case any project members are interested in joining... -- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Could everyone leave input here? Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discographies#Bubbling ? Thanks! 03:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Could people please comment at Talk:No Me Queda Mas (music video)#Proposed merge? Adabow ( talk · contribs) 03:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, Just wanted to inform you that there is a peer review request for Jennifer Lopez's 2011 comeback single, with Pitbull, " On the Floor" at Wikipedia:Peer review/On the Floor/archive1. please feel free to comment. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 01:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This has been going on for over a year and a half, and frankly I'm sick of it. I don't see why we have such a fascination with a release date, and quick not to say radio is one. I mean I was giving in at first, but now I see we are adding (radio) beside dates in album infoboxes (see Pink Friday) which to me looks jumbled, elongated, and as if I may put it this way, crappy. I also think it is silly to add "radio add date and release history" and all of this etc., to just elongate titles and the table of contents. I mean if radio is not a form of release, and a song only has a add date and is never released digitally or physically, were gonna just say that's not a single. Can we just please come to a consensus to end the back and forth editing, because I'm fed up with edit summaries "radio is NOT a form of release" "fixing title to including radio history" blahblahlbhlbahlbhl. What is the simple problem with just merging radio and release information into just a release history? I mean they have radio dates for a freaking reason... J Maybe some of us would stop nitpicking the work of others and worry less about technical things (the release history isn't even a component of WP SONGS!), and actually contribute information to the music range here on Wikipedia than seemingly undermining the work of others. ust my two pence.. Candy o32 01:32, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated the above category for renaming to Category:Songs published by Northern Songs. However, I am not convinced that this is correct, or whether the category is a relevant category. Perhaps those with knowledge could weigh in with suggestions and opionions. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:29, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Record charts/RFC has been relatively unattended, and I would like to hear more voices.— Kww( talk) 18:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Phrase That Pays is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Phrase That Pays until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 15:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
There may be a problem in the writing credits for certain Grammy Award for Song of the Year winners. Please comment at Talk:Grammy_Award#Grammy_Award_for_Song_of_the_Year.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:29, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I have created an article for Here We Go Again (Ray Charles song), which won the 2005 Grammy Award for Record of the Year. I was wondering if people who know how to research charting history could give me some assistance with this song in time for it to appear in WP:DYK. Possibly, both versions of the song have charted, although the 2005 version did not make the Hot 100.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 07:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
The original version debuted on the Hot 100, Billboard issue dated May 20, 1967 ( Link1). On the issue dated June 10, 1967 it reached number 37 on Hot 100 while debuting at number 48 on R&B Chart ( Link2). By June 24, it had reached number 23 on Hot 100 and number 20 on R&B Chart. On July 15, it reached its peak of number 15 on Hot 100, and ascended to number 9 on R&B Chart. On July 12, still on number 15 ( Link3) while number five (its peak) on R&B Chart. Next week the same positions (15 on Hot 100, 5 on R&B).
On August 12, 1967 "Here We Go Again" dropped out of the Hot 100 while descending to number 8 on R&B Chart. ( Link4). In the UK, debuted at number 38 ( Link4), and made a re-entry later ( Link5).
The Jones duet version reached number 26 on Hot Digital Tracks chart ( Link6) and number 73 on Hot Digital Songs chart ( Link7). I also found this and this, both of which you may find useful. Hope these links help. Novice7 ( talk) 13:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I did a peer review of the article on the single Si Una Vez, which lists 25 cover versions, 5 of which are by artists with articles (the rest are red links). To me that means it is likely that many of the artists / bands who have recorded covers of this song might not be notable, and if the artists are not notable, then I doubt that the covers are. So my question here is what sort of notability guidlelines are there for covers to be included in this (or any) song article? I looked at WP:NN and the related music notability pages, and searched the talk archive here, but do not see that this question has been addressed. Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:29, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Please help me sort out who the award is credited to at Talk:Grammy_Award_for_Record_of_the_Year#Person_or_song.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 04:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
(Comment below moved to central location noted above)
To anyone who might be interested in piping in and helping reach a consensus. "You and I" has been nominated for deletion, so express if you support or oppose this nomination. Thanks-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:18, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Grammy_Award#Award_Templates.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Billboard_Decade-End_as_a_parallel_to_Billboard_Year-End so that all discussion is in one place.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
If anyone wants to mosey on over to this article to take a look at the chart I created for this song, please do and tell me how I did on my first attempt at adding one. There are more countries to add, but I am taking a break from that for right now but will be adding more in the future. ArcAngel (talk) ) 16:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
While reading the GA Tomorrow Never Knows I was surprised that there very little critical reception about the song. I was wondering what the suggested article body is for the project, so came here.... is there a reason why there's not a reception section? Thanks. -- CutOffTies ( talk) 13:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated {{ Elliott Smith Vertical}}, a non-standard navbox, for deletion. Interested editors are invited to comment at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Elliott Smith Vertical. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 14:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi all - just popped in here to let you know that I've spent a while reverting some non-obvious vandalism on song articles. The vandalism has been done since last December by a number of IPs on Eircom - I've identified 16 IP addresses so far; they've been used consecutively without overlap, and the edits bear all the signs of being done by one person with a dynamic IP address. Most of the vandalism consists of adding or changing song release dates in the infobox, often by adding spurious days of the month for older recordings where the information doesn't seem to be available. In some cases two or more changes have been made to dates, which provides further evidence of ill intent - see for instance this, this and this, all on the same article. None of the edits have edit summaries and no citations have ever been provided. Despite checking a number of the changes I haven't found one yet that stands scrutiny. The reverts I've done so far are here and here. I'm working my way backwards through the list and have got to March so far.
So it may be a good idea to carefully scrutinise any uncited changes made by apparent newbies to established dates in articles that are covered by this Project, especially if they originate from IP ranges 86.40.0.0 to 86.47.63.255.
Happy to answer any questions — SMALL JIM 21:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
My question pertains specifically to a recent edit on a page I am working on, George Earth, but I'd like a clear understanding of the proper way to format similar items. This article is not about a song. As is documented in the article George Earth did produce an album (3 actually), for Cleopatra Records, two of these containing covers of Nine Inch Nails songs by various artists, and he did (as Candymachine) record one cover, "Mr. Self Destruct", on one of those albums. The original song, which he covered, does have its own article, as the NIN original song. The version on this tribute album though, like every other song on this tribute album, and the other tribute to NIN album that he produced with various other artists, and the Smashing Pumpkins tribute album that he produced as well, all contain cover versions of these artists' songs and not originals of the songs by their original artists. So. Today, there was an edit on the George Earth page that changed the existing text, which was not wikilinked, to a link to the original NIN song. Is that proper? I hadn't planned to do a separate page for the tribute album anytime soon, let alone a separate page for the cover version of the song (probably ever), but I think it's clear from the text that the song he covered is on a NIN tribute album, and is thus a NIN song...should this be linked to the original song's page, or no? Is there a smarter way to approach this than the one I did when I wrote the article? duff 02:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
How reliable is this (although I've been using this site)? I just came across the article " Fly Like A Bird" at GAN. The article states that Mariah's voice spans from --- to E5. But listening to the song, its higher than that (I can see A5, A6 per youtube). -- Efe ( talk) 14:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
There is missing a Lorne Greene version of this song in article. Biblija11 ( talk) 18:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
This refers to the very common misinterpretation of what a chord progression is. How should we write it on articles?
-- Efe ( talk) 14:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I note Category:Songs by producer appears to be a WP backwater that needs some considerable expansion, but before that, wp:songs really could do with guidance notes. I have a number of discussion points :-
Any comments? Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I want to make Rihanna's " S&M" an A class article, which I am pretty sure that it is at already, and was wondering how I go about nominating it? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
At Template_talk:Non-free_use_rationale_album#Here_We_Go_Again_.28Ray_Charles_song.29_alternate_cover_art, I need some coding assistance.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 22:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Because of the scenes where the female dancers in Moves Like Jagger by Maroon5 show nipslips (wardrobe malfunctions), then shouldn't it be mentioned on it's page? And that VEVO or Youtube doesn't know it?
174.31.153.173 ( talk)Concerned —Preceding undated comment added 23:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC).
It seems to me that the prominent use of the bassoon was NOT coincidence. The bassoon is frequently referred toas "the CLOWN of the orchestra".
Lowell Inhorn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.148.12 ( talk) 01:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Please add your opinion. I Help, When I Can. [12] 22:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm currently working on improving an article, " I Can Only Imagine", to GA or FA status. Currently, the only major problem with the article is the music video portion. I was wondering whether writing a synopsis (similar to what is done on FA-class movie articles) of the video would be a breach of GA/FA criteria, as I have no sources to back up the video's plot. It is highly unlikely I could find a news article or web article describing the video. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Toa Nidhiki 05 20:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks,
I'm confused about the numbering of Duran Duran's singles at this point. If 'What Happens Tomorrow' is the 33rd, and 'Sunrise' is the 31st, what's the 32nd?
With all good wishes
Andy Campbell
asc@kgv.ac.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.85.50 ( talk) 11:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Suggested merge could use some input. Please read and comment if you have an opinion on the subject. Thanks! 173.48.124.77 ( talk) 19:11, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Just posting this for anyone who may be interested in it. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 16:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
How about something for the guideline along these lines:
Cover versions
Cover versions are rarely a significant aspect of the overall topic of a song, so seldom warrant inclusion in a song's article (few featured song articles include any mention of cover versions). Inclusion may be warranted if a cover version has made the top 10 on a national, unspecialized singles chart (e.g. " With a Little Help from My Friends", " I Will Always Love You", " Without You"), or is the subject of sourced critical acclaim (insert good example here). Statements such as "the song has been recorded by more than 20 other artists" must be reliably sourced. |
It's basically just saying where things seem to be at the moment (not so sure about "top 10", but it seemed a reasonable number to start the discussion). What do folks think? Uniplex ( talk) 15:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
"Cover versions"
When a song has renditions (recorded or performed) by more than one artist, discussion of a particular artist's rendition should be included in the song's article (not a separate article), but only if at least one of the following applies:
General statements such as "the song has been recorded by more than 20 artists" must be reliably sourced. |
Uniplex ( talk) 19:40, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Is it really useful or necessary to have the complete DSotM album track listing in the infobox of every song from this album? After all, this tracklisting is available at the bottom of the articles in the DSotM navigation template. Regards. 81.83.139.181 ( talk) 13:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I dont't think Hangover (Taio Cruz song)#Background has encyclopedic style. It rather looks like from a newspaper. Vinne2 ( talk) 18:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
it was in europe everwhere number 1. number 5 in the uk. and it was not eaven in us top 100 ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.73.240.146 ( talk) 22:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I love the {{ track listing}} template, don't get me wrong, but I think it is way overused. There needs to be some guidelines lied down for track listing templates in song articles, and not just thrown in to "decorate" the article, or act as a fan discography page for every release. I edit a lot of U2 articles, so I've included some of those as examples. Here are some points that I think should be addressed.
headline
parameter. This way the reader knows where the tracks and respective times came from. The citation can be the release itself, and {{
cite music release notes}} is perfect for this.– Dream out loud ( talk) 02:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure if what I have added here was correct. I just that using sheet music as reference could be problematic at times, especially when it is used to support statements such as progression and octaves. Isn't it personal interpretation of the content(s) of the primary source itself? -- Efe ( talk) 10:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
The following has recently been added to WP:Albums. It seems logical that an amended version should be adopted for songs. Any comments?
An album may be
categorized by characteristics such as performer, producer, composer, record-label, etc., only if these are
defining characteristics of the album (i.e. reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define the album as having the characteristic—not just mention it in passing or for completeness).
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-- Richhoncho ( talk) 12:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The article "Somebody Loves Me" is about a song, but there is a 1952 movie by that name as well. See www.imdb.com/title/tt0045171 It seems to me that there needs to be a disambiguation page, or the problem resolved in some other way. Since the movie was a musical, it is likely that the song is in the movie. Lriley47 ( talk) 19:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone mind having a look/(edit;-) it appears to have been written either by one of his promoters or a heavily unbiased fan e.g. "he then proceeds with rhymes that come thick and fast backed with an athemic chorus laced with the kind of meaning that a lot of people will be able to relate to." and the fact that the "critical reception" section is based on one (favourable) review? Triboelectricity ( talk) 14:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
As a disambiguation, shouldn't many articles be actually "song title (single)" rather than "song title (song)" when the article is about a single? In the case of say, " We Wish You a Merry Christmas", certainly that's about a song, but where an article talks about the artcover for a single and the B-side etc, we're talking about a single. Of course when that song becomes covered by many artists, I would think that it reverts back to (song), but in many cases the article will just be about a single by a particular artist. Any thoughts?-- Tuzapicabit ( talk) 02:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Recently several Wikipedian contributers and I have been working on improving the article about the song Gloomy Sunday. Although we've agreed that the article is not up to standard for a GA Nomination, we've been thinking that the article could at least be of high enough quality for a B-Class rating (it is currently rated C-Class). This rating may encourage further work on the article, and the feedback given on the subsequent denile/acceptance of the rating would certainly be valuable to us in working out the course of the articles future development. As it is bad form for someone who's heavily contributed to an article to rate it, would it be possible for someone from this WikieProject to review and rank it? Any feedback about the article on the songs Discussion Page or on my talkpage would also be greatly appreciated. Cheers! Trollyboy ( talk) 05:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Where would I go if I wanted to get an A-Class assessment review for Bidi Bidi Bom Bom? Best, Jona yo! Selena 4 ever 16:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
-- GH200 ( talk) 02:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC) You guys should make pages on every song that you know of and can see on any album on wikipedia. Tell what they're about and what year they were made the artist/writers inspiration. You need to do a page on every song buy every artist you can think that can be ound n wikipedia. It only makes since because someone will be looking for information on a song that might not be that famous but they go to wikipedia to find more info about it. That's what we're here for.-- GH200 ( talk) 02:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
I have opened an WP:RFC at Talk:T.H.E._(The_Hardest_Ever)#Page_locations.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 04:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
One or more articles relating to this project have been nominated to be a future United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month. All editors interested in improving these articles or voting for next months collaboration are encouraged to participate here. -- Kumioko ( talk) 19:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
As this nomination may affect of other categories in the scheme I thought a notice of the CfD would be helpful. CfD:Songs produced by Sufjan Stevens. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 12:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone take a look at A Case of You? Over the last few days there has been an enormous amount of information added about James Blake's recent cover—information I think is given undue weight on this page. (Perhaps the information more appropriately belongs on James Blake's page?) I tried to undo the info and was reverted almost immediately. Thanks. PaintedCarpet ( talk) 12:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I would like some help with this one please, it would be nice if someone could add this picture http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&sa=N&rls=en&channel=suggest&tbm=isch&tbnid=-o9nQAwukgQC5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.45cat.com/biglabel/motown/6&docid=_eiWphDVG-thcM&imgurl=http://images.45cat.com/used-to-be-charlene-and-stevie-wonder-motown.jpg&w=766&h=763&ei=H_nwTvCAJMPi0QG35cGxAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=300&sig=112931244308411880137&page=4&tbnh=162&tbnw=172&start=68&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:68&tx=116&ty=43&biw=1440&bih=747
I would like a picture, information is covered and I want to add more to this page.....I feel this song does deserve its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarenCarpenterFan ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines for posting song lyrics on song pages that already exist and that are clearly in the public domain? It seems like an obvious thing to do yet I don't see lyrics listed for every song in PD. Jomangor ( talk) 04:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. This may well be the wrong place to mention this in which case many apologies, but I created (largely based on Infobox single and Infobox song) a template infobox called {{Template:Infobox Tin Pan Alley}} which I've used on compositions by Scott Joplin in the early years of the 20th Century. I created it because none of the infoboxes which I could find had quite the right options (second composer, arranger, sheet music cover, publishing date and sound file). Although it seems to work I may well have not formatted the code in exactly the correct manner. I hope others may find it useful, perhaps for songs or single compositions from the same era which were published as sheet music first, and only later found fame through amateur or professional performance. Ben (Major Bloodnok) ( talk) 10:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Do join the discussion on this and other possible myths re "Ging gang goolie" at
Talk:Ging_Gang_Goolie Brommabo ( talk) 07:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Are chants covered by this wikiproject? I notice that your banner is located on Talk:Chant, but an editor who edits song articles said that chants do not count as songs. 76.65.128.198 ( talk) 05:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
-- Kumioko ( talk) 20:14, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone familiar with assessing song articles please spend a couple of minutes reassessing this bot-assessed stub? Thanks very much. -- Trevj ( talk) 13:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I hope someone can correct me, but I recall dancing to this right around the fall of 1982 with my best friend. The first time we heard it, we went crazy and it still has the same kick to it now. Since I've read in Wikipedia that it didn't really hit the American charts until 83, I'm curious to know the first airdate, if possible. It would really help with my writing!
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.36.15.227 ( talk) 00:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
In terms of this song's genre, synthpop can certainly be justified. The R+B tag should refer to the Contemporary R+B page, and there isn't anything to suggest that this song can be categorised as hip hop.
Kingcrasher ( talk) 23:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Chrissy H
I just created an article for last years Academy Award for Best Original Song winner, " We Belong Together". Since most Disney songs are covered in several foreign languages, I am calling for assistance in filling in the article. My current version also needs some citations. I will try to find as many as I can. Help would be appreciated. I have added all the nominations that I could find from other articles on wikipedia. It may have been nominated for awards that don't have WP articles. Help filling that in would be appreciated. I figure since this is an Oscar winner, it is a somewhat high priority article for this project. Please come help out.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 16:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to see the above happen. The episodes that include this song are my favorites of BBT. It's also interesting that the title is referred to differently on the show than the actual title. It's a fun thing for me and one reason that I'm taking the time to write this is that I met my son's girlfriend this evening and it is her favorite show too, and she knows the lyrics. I think a lot of people would like to see this. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.229.177 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 5 February 2012
I've been trying to write Discographies for a project in school and have found these pages super helpful! However most discographies call for a record of the place the songs were recorded/produced. I've been trying to find this information and have not been able to. Any suggestions? 1Krystal.Stevens ( talk) 04:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Can I get some assistance with standardising and expanding the Lists of UK top 10 singles series of articles. The model for this should be the 2011 or 2003 lists, but obviously with more text, images and references. Thanks. 03 md 03:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Has there ever been consideration for a template of "Song ratings" or "Single ratings" in the same style as Template:Album ratings? The basic idea is that rather than include something like this, editors could include a scoring system as seen on album pages that neatly summarizes critical reception.- RDavi404 ( talk) 15:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I have removed some facts attributed to sheet music as published at www.musicnotes.com. Here are my recent removals:
These bits all had some kind of problem with the worst offender being "Causing a Commotion" which cited a non-existent source. Other bits get the key wrong, the chord progression wrong, or the tempo wrong. Many of these assert that the sheet music defines the vocal range as heard on the recorded song, the vocal range as performed by the artist.
I looked for past discussions about Musicnotes.com and found several useful ones. The most explicit was Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_56#Musicnotes.com at which it was decided that Musicnotes.com could not be linked with a URL because it is a pay site, and that it is not a reliable source for the key or tempo or vocal range of the song as recorded by the artist. The discussion determined that the published sheet music can be used as a reference just like a published book can be, but only for facts about the sheet music, not about the song as recorded and widely heard.
In the face of this mainly negative finding, there is an incomplete proposed guideline at Wikipedia:Using sheet music sources which wishes to establish Musicnotes.com and Sheetmusicplus.com as reliable sources, including the URLs. No consensus has been reached (yet) regarding the full proposal. Binksternet ( talk) 20:06, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
A Featured Article that falls under the scope of this WikiProject has been found to have significant issues with verification failure and plagiarism:
Attention from any interested editors would be welcome. Due to the high rate of issues found so far, every single reference is going to need to be checked and fixed, where problems are found. Help from the primary editor ( User:Legolas2186) doesn't seem to be forthcoming, since he disappeared when issues were raised.
The Featured Article Review process may be started soon for this. If no-one is able to help, it will likely lose FA status. -- Laser brain (talk) 14:53, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated List of unreleased Michael Jackson material for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Rubiscous ( talk) 17:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that WP:SONGCOVER appears to tell us that covers of songs should not be mentioned in a song article unless:
- the rendition is discussed by a reliable source on the subject of the song (not on the subject of the rendition),
- the rendition itself meets the notability requirement at WP:NSONGS.
Here's the most recent (2011) discussion which resulted in the guideline we now have: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs/Archive_8#Cover_Versions. Here's an earlier discussion from 2009: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs/coverversions.
The guideline as written in 2011 would have us delete lists of song covers that are not notable by themselves, such as this deletion of mine at " Walk Like an Egyptian", this deletion of mine at " You're the One That I Want", and this deletion of mine at " I Shot the Sheriff". Are such deletions good for the encyclopedia? Are they adhering properly to the guideline as written? Should the guideline be made more inclusive? Binksternet ( talk) 18:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
And it concerns an issue I brought up on this talk page nearly two years ago. Naturally, that thread received no response and was eventually archived.
Last night, after creating the article " Let It Go!", I also had to create the corresponding song category for the artist, ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:F.T. Island songs. This is where the issue comes up. "Let It Go!" is a song sung in Japanese. The band is South Korean. I currently have ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:F.T. Island songs categorized under ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:South Korean songs, which, to me, is confusing and misleading, as it's unclear whether the artist is South Korean or the song is South Korean (think traditional songs). In other cases, like ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Spanish songs, could cause further confusion as it may also lead readers to believe the song is sung in Spanish (granted, most are, but that doesn't stop Spanish people from singing in a different language. Enrique Iglesias, anyone?). That was one of my points at the CFD when I nominated the subcategories of ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Albums by artist nationality.
I'd like to rename the song categories in the same manner, but because some songs do fit perfectly under Foo songs ( Afghan National Anthem is an example of where it's accurately categorized under ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Afghan songs), the issue is a bit more complex than the albums categories. So, I did list three options in the link to the archive in my first sentence, I'd like to get the ball rolling and actually have something done this time around. I hope to hear what the community thinks of this issue and proposals. — ξ xplicit 23:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
This song called A Man Without Love (Quando M'Innamoro)was actually composed by D. Pace,Mario Panzeri and Roberto Livraghi and made famous by Engelbert Humperdinck. In the Wikipedia Article it states that Enrique Iglesias wrote Cuando Me Enamoro. Is any of the family of the original song writers getting royalties. I can't believe that in this day and age singers are singing music and claiming that they wrote it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.134.141.202 ( talk) 09:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
This article claims that the song is in F Lydian mode (which means that the tonal center is F while having an A minor scale). I disagree. This song is in A minor, and predominantly features A minor, C major (the relative major), and G major (the dominant of C) chords. The main source of the argument that F is the key is that the song ends on an F major chord. Simply put, in pop music, the last chord does not determine the key of the song. The key of the song is based on what chords the song revolves around. As stated before, these are chords characteristic of the A minor key. Furthermore, it is commonplace for pop songs to end on the VI chord. This creates an incomplete feeling, one that goes along with the music video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmactweed ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I suggest every page about a song should have a lyrics section. Of course some songs do not have words, there will be exceptions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.100.58.175 ( talk) 21:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
There's a policy against that: WP:NOTLYRICS. — ξ xplicit 21:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Why did Hendrix play Watchtower in one direction on the guiter , rather than up and down? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheldog1 ( talk • contribs) 03:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Once a song is posted on iTunes, should I be able to figure out its writer. I am having some trouble filling in the infobox for " Cat Daddy".-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
" Here We Go Again (Ray Charles song)"'s WP:FAC review is getting long in the tooth and is right on the borderline. Come help make sure the right decision is made.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 12:19, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Ayy Ladies should be added. It is Travis Porter's most successful song to-date, it has a music video, and it is widely popular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.12.50 ( talk) 19:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
The article Addicted (Prince Royce song) has been proposed for deletion. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 15:37, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Would be nice to add personnel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SgtPepper ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have it so they can tell me what the credits and personnel are for " The Silence (song)" please? Aaron • You Da One 16:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated 4 Minutes (Madonna song) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
What are sources for researching the use of a song in movies, tv shows and commercials?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 02:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone upload a screenshot of the music video for the Sugababes song No Can Do? Till 06:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, can i get your opinion on renaming 2 of these to clean up the names and make it less awkward:
To this:
Thanks Jenova 20 09:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello all. Push the Button (Sugababes song) is currently a featured article candidate; it was re-nominated as the previous archive was closed early due to the lack of feedback. I am asking anybody who is interested to consider commenting on the current archive as to whether it meets the featured article criteria. Thanks. Till I Go Home talk 15:12, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Most discography pages list only certification for singles, but is there any point in listing certification for singles any more? Most singles in the US are no longer properly certified, and when they are, they are often so far behind sales that it is meaningless, if not downright misleading. Gotye's "Somebody That I Used to Know" has sold over 5 million, but only 1x platinum certified, Kelly Clarkson's "Stronger" has sold over 3 million, but no certification at all (neither are her songs "Mr Know It All", "My Life Would Suck Without You" and "Already Gone", all of which have sold either 1 or 2 million). Much better to give sales where known rather than bothering with certification. Hzh ( talk) 14:27, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
I have done some research and found a few more facts that I believe will help this article improve. What are some areas that we could work on? ( Bhickman02 ( talk) 04:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC))
Should Lady Godiva (song) and Lady Godiva (Alex Day song) be merged? User:Sakimonk doesn't think so. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 07:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
This is being considered for deletion. Please see WP:Articles for deletion/Parodies of My Bonnie Lies Over The Ocean. Simply south.... .. always punctual, no matter how late for just 6 years 21:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm working on an album article but I've run into an issue as what to define one of its songs as - one of the songs from the album, "American Dream", has a radio adds date to the Christian Rock radio format, and adds dates are normally a confirmation of a song being a single. However, the record label the band is on has released press releases which say there were only three singles from the album ("If We Are the Body", "Who Am I", "Voice of Truth"), and "American Dream" is not one of them. Does this make it a promotional single or is it still a legitimate single release? Toa Nidhiki05 20:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
There is an RfC going on at Talk:St. Jimmy concerning notability of b-sides and songs that were covered by notable artists. Please comment. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 17:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
The usage of Supermassive Black Hole is under discussion, see Talk:Supermassive Black Hole (song) -- 76.65.131.160 ( talk) 02:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I nominated Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis/archive2 over a month ago and it hasn't had many comments from reviewers and editors. One of the reviewers hasn't been online for over a week, and another hasn't responded to some comments I have replied. I was advised to leave a note on the list's wikiproject's asking for anyone who may have some time to spare to review the list and leave comments. A vote on whether or not you feel the article is worthy of FL status would also be appreciated so that the FLC can make some progress. Thanks. Aaron • You Da One 23:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
List of UK Singles Chart Christmas number twos has been listed for deletion, if anybody want to comment... Cheers.-- Richhoncho ( talk) 16:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Just a note that I've nominated " Missing My Baby" at FAC and would like my fellow members to provide a comment on its nomination. Best, Jona talk to me 14:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I have just fixed a couple of dead links to Chartstats, among other things, in this edit:
Thanks. -- Mirokado ( talk) 17:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Right I have a question about Spectrum (song) by Florence and the Machine. The album version is called "Spectrum" and the song was released as the fourth single from Ceremonials. However the song was remixed by Calvin Harris, and the remixed version titled "Spectrum (Say My Name)" was the one that was serviced to radio and released commercially. It is the one that appears on all the charts. Its my view that introduction should explain this and that everything about the song (the infobox etc.) should refer to the remix as this is the commercial single. I also think the page should be located at Spectrum (Say My Name). I'm in the middle of expanding/restructuring in a sandbox but it'd be usedful to see what people think? — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 21:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
My Kazakhstan (song) has been requested to be renamed, see Talk:My Kazakhstan (song) -- 76.65.128.252 ( talk) 23:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The name Johnny is spelled incorrectly in the page; the original song lyrics shows it as Johnnie and someone should fix this as I don't know how and too old to figure it out. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.140.32.62 ( talk) 15:02, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I've read all three articles. It seems to me that they all use basically the same melody, and the articles ought to state this. Based on the articles, I assume that the orignal source for the tune is the French Canadian one, "Alouette". Perhaps the two other articles could be edited to indicate this. 71.38.239.116 ( talk) 16:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)Thomas Thurston, tnthurston@msn.com
An article that falls under the scope of this project, List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones, has been nominated for featured list. Interested members can review and comment here. Toa Nidhiki05 21:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Is it explicitly stated anywhere, or is there a previous consensus on a project page, stating that if a song was only released as a music video that doesn't make it a single? If not, could we open up that discussion now? Fezmar9 ( talk) 22:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello. Red Dress (song) is currently a featured article candidate and your imput here would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Till 05:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated Gregorian chant for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer ( talk) 14:26, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Recent edits have caused me to look more closely at List of Billboard Year-End number-one singles and albums and the related templates. E.g., {{ Billboard Year-End number one singles 1946–1959}} now has two songs in 1959 (" The Battle of New Orleans" and " Come Softly to Me"). There is no source for the year-end in the List article which points to a late November weekly chart. this website suggests that " Mack the Knife" was the number one song for that year. Other years show similar discrepancies. Does anyone have proper sources for this WP list?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 15:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone help me by listing 7 or 8 of muse's most played radio songs? Thanks alot Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.93.191 ( talk) 15:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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They had at least a couple hits off of this album, but this article doesn't even mention it: http://www.amazon.com/Lap-Luxury-Cheap-Trick/dp/B0000026D1/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.61.65.231 ( talk) 00:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
While we're at it, the most complete encyclopedia in the world may as well have song lyrics for every song which has an article. Frankly, I'm not sure why this isn't already the case. Epheterson ( talk) 22:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
In the article The Power of Love (Frankie Goes to Hollywood song) a large section has been added regarding a cover version by Gabrielle Aplin here: [1]. I'm of the opinion that this addition more promotional than informative. The adding editor claims that this version has charted, but I find no evidence of that. Either way, I see no other song article where a minor cover version has this much space dedicated to it. Perhaps I'm wrong, which is why I am asking here. Thanks. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 16:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Would anyone from the Wikiproject like to leave any comments which they feel concerns them or would cast a vote in support or opposition based on your findings, I would much appreciate it. The list has garnered several good (and resolved) reviews, but no votes have been cast. Thanks. AARON• TALK 12:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Does a release to iTunes mean that a song has become an official single? I thought it did not, but there is a confusion regarding this in the chronology of the article " In My City", where it is still unsure if "Erase" is the next single. As per this link from Digital Spy, the song is being released to iTunes. But is that enough? I thought confirmation from the artist or the label is necessary. Please weigh in your thoughts. — Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 07:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Speed Demon (song), an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.-- Tomcat ( 7) 18:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Feedback requested Presently, Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers contains a hodge-podge of naming schemes, including "List of [x] songs", "List of songs recorded by [x]", etc. Could someone suggest some streamlined fashion for how these should be named? For what it's worth, it also seems like mixing composers together with performers is a bad idea: part of the problem will be solved if we can extract "List of songs with lyrics by [x]" from "List of songs [x] played on"—those are two evidently and significantly different schemes. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 07:53, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
This discussion has been ongoing for two weeks and notice has been placed on a number of related projects. I think we now have to move this along while at the same time welcoming and encouraging more comments.
Barring one contributor, we have all plumped for “List of Songs recorded by [artist].” This seems to suggest that all the entries in the present category should be along the following lines – List of songs (action) by (person).
I am reading a consensus to empty the main category Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers, diffusing the various entries into relevant sub-categories of songs. Am I correct or are we considering deletion of the category?
Does anybody have any proposal what should be included in the guidelines for WP:SONG to close this out? -- Richhoncho ( talk) 05:52, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Songs by writer, songs by production, songs recorded have now all being moved out into their own relevant category. What is left in the category is quite dissimilar in naming and/or content. Does anybody have any suggestions what to do with the remaining 35 members of the category? Unless anybody has any idea for naming conventions, my thought would be to empty the members to Category:Lists of songs which could also do with a little consideration -- Richhoncho ( talk) 11:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I wish I considered it as simple as that, here’s some of the main considerations :-
Hi, would appreciate it if you could take some time to comment at Talk:Trouble_(Leona_Lewis_song)#How_is_iTunes_messed_up. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 23:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
What is the style convention for dealing with songs that don't have articles of their own? Is it better to link to the album the song comes from, or to not link at all? — Gordon P. Hemsley→ ✉ 04:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Actually my best reason has to deal with the Queen album articles. Each some on most of the albums had a link, most of them just linked to a different part of the page that described the song, BUT OTHERS linked actual articles solely dedicated to the song. It was rather confusing it made learning from the article bothersome, and not at all helpful. If instead the only songs with links were the ones with independent articles, it'd not only look more tidy, but also display the proper information the links are there for (to bring you to that article the link implies you will go to) I like redirects only when typed into the search box, because that tells you it doesn't have it's own article BUT you can learn about it from going to the album page, but in some cases what if the song does have an article, but the person linking it doesn't know this and he/she instead links it to the album. This would lead to the link not leading to the best article it can. OK an example: The song Dumb by Nirvana was under a great debate whether it should have an article or not, the consensus is no, but many people may expect it to have one. So in an article if you see the song "Dumb" with a link and it only takes you to the In Utero page, it'd be rather annoying in my opinion and it is best if there was just no link on the song title at all. What if every song on In Utero had a link linking to In Utero except for the 4 songs with their own independent articles? How would the user know that " Heart-Shaped Box", " Rape Me", " Pennyroyal Tea", and " All Apologies" have articles if all 12 twelves songs showed links, when the other 8 would just redirect to In Utero?
Please click each link and tell me whether you think this is convenient or not:
OR
Please click each link and tell me whether you think this is convenient or not:
Which is more confusing and misleading? -- Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 03:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Well that was the song you messaged me for delinking, because I delinked a song from the track-list of Appetite for Destruction because it had no article. So I assumed that that's what you meant, but my point still stands, it'd still be rather unhelpful to be redirected to an album through a song link especially since the person clicking most of the time is there to only learn about the one song and not the entire album. In some cases the album article says nothing about the song except for the fact that it's on the track-list. -- Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 11:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't know that there's a hard and fast rule; I guess for me it depends. I agree that in the In Utero album article, linking every non-notable song back to the In Utero article is not useful. In the 12-12-12 concert article, however, I can at least see some benefit in linking " My Valentine" or " Cut Me Some Slack" because unlike in the In Utero example, there's potential to question what songs these are. That actually happened to me when looking at the Bruce Springsteen segment of the 12-12-12 article. I'm not really familiar with Springsteen's recent work, so when I saw "Wrecking Ball", my first thought was that he performed the Neil Young song (from Young's 1989 Freedom album and later covered by Emmylou Harris in 1995). It was only when I cut and paste "Wrecking Ball" into the search box that I remembered that The Boss' latest album is also called Wrecking Ball, and so he was in all likelihood singing the title track at the 12-12-12 concert. It does not seem unreasonable in such instances to link such songs to their respective albums' track listing (e.g. " My Valentine"). Gong show 17:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe if it linked to a specific part of the page it'd work, but if it just links to the top of the page, I don't really see it being useful. -- Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 19:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
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Could everyone leave input here? Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discographies#Bubbling ? Thanks! 03:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Could people please comment at Talk:No Me Queda Mas (music video)#Proposed merge? Adabow ( talk · contribs) 03:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, Just wanted to inform you that there is a peer review request for Jennifer Lopez's 2011 comeback single, with Pitbull, " On the Floor" at Wikipedia:Peer review/On the Floor/archive1. please feel free to comment. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 01:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This has been going on for over a year and a half, and frankly I'm sick of it. I don't see why we have such a fascination with a release date, and quick not to say radio is one. I mean I was giving in at first, but now I see we are adding (radio) beside dates in album infoboxes (see Pink Friday) which to me looks jumbled, elongated, and as if I may put it this way, crappy. I also think it is silly to add "radio add date and release history" and all of this etc., to just elongate titles and the table of contents. I mean if radio is not a form of release, and a song only has a add date and is never released digitally or physically, were gonna just say that's not a single. Can we just please come to a consensus to end the back and forth editing, because I'm fed up with edit summaries "radio is NOT a form of release" "fixing title to including radio history" blahblahlbhlbahlbhl. What is the simple problem with just merging radio and release information into just a release history? I mean they have radio dates for a freaking reason... J Maybe some of us would stop nitpicking the work of others and worry less about technical things (the release history isn't even a component of WP SONGS!), and actually contribute information to the music range here on Wikipedia than seemingly undermining the work of others. ust my two pence.. Candy o32 01:32, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated the above category for renaming to Category:Songs published by Northern Songs. However, I am not convinced that this is correct, or whether the category is a relevant category. Perhaps those with knowledge could weigh in with suggestions and opionions. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:29, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Record charts/RFC has been relatively unattended, and I would like to hear more voices.— Kww( talk) 18:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Phrase That Pays is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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There may be a problem in the writing credits for certain Grammy Award for Song of the Year winners. Please comment at Talk:Grammy_Award#Grammy_Award_for_Song_of_the_Year.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:29, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I have created an article for Here We Go Again (Ray Charles song), which won the 2005 Grammy Award for Record of the Year. I was wondering if people who know how to research charting history could give me some assistance with this song in time for it to appear in WP:DYK. Possibly, both versions of the song have charted, although the 2005 version did not make the Hot 100.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 07:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
The original version debuted on the Hot 100, Billboard issue dated May 20, 1967 ( Link1). On the issue dated June 10, 1967 it reached number 37 on Hot 100 while debuting at number 48 on R&B Chart ( Link2). By June 24, it had reached number 23 on Hot 100 and number 20 on R&B Chart. On July 15, it reached its peak of number 15 on Hot 100, and ascended to number 9 on R&B Chart. On July 12, still on number 15 ( Link3) while number five (its peak) on R&B Chart. Next week the same positions (15 on Hot 100, 5 on R&B).
On August 12, 1967 "Here We Go Again" dropped out of the Hot 100 while descending to number 8 on R&B Chart. ( Link4). In the UK, debuted at number 38 ( Link4), and made a re-entry later ( Link5).
The Jones duet version reached number 26 on Hot Digital Tracks chart ( Link6) and number 73 on Hot Digital Songs chart ( Link7). I also found this and this, both of which you may find useful. Hope these links help. Novice7 ( talk) 13:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I did a peer review of the article on the single Si Una Vez, which lists 25 cover versions, 5 of which are by artists with articles (the rest are red links). To me that means it is likely that many of the artists / bands who have recorded covers of this song might not be notable, and if the artists are not notable, then I doubt that the covers are. So my question here is what sort of notability guidlelines are there for covers to be included in this (or any) song article? I looked at WP:NN and the related music notability pages, and searched the talk archive here, but do not see that this question has been addressed. Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:29, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Please help me sort out who the award is credited to at Talk:Grammy_Award_for_Record_of_the_Year#Person_or_song.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 04:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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To anyone who might be interested in piping in and helping reach a consensus. "You and I" has been nominated for deletion, so express if you support or oppose this nomination. Thanks-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:18, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Grammy_Award#Award_Templates.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Billboard_Decade-End_as_a_parallel_to_Billboard_Year-End so that all discussion is in one place.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
If anyone wants to mosey on over to this article to take a look at the chart I created for this song, please do and tell me how I did on my first attempt at adding one. There are more countries to add, but I am taking a break from that for right now but will be adding more in the future. ArcAngel (talk) ) 16:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
While reading the GA Tomorrow Never Knows I was surprised that there very little critical reception about the song. I was wondering what the suggested article body is for the project, so came here.... is there a reason why there's not a reception section? Thanks. -- CutOffTies ( talk) 13:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated {{ Elliott Smith Vertical}}, a non-standard navbox, for deletion. Interested editors are invited to comment at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Elliott Smith Vertical. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 14:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi all - just popped in here to let you know that I've spent a while reverting some non-obvious vandalism on song articles. The vandalism has been done since last December by a number of IPs on Eircom - I've identified 16 IP addresses so far; they've been used consecutively without overlap, and the edits bear all the signs of being done by one person with a dynamic IP address. Most of the vandalism consists of adding or changing song release dates in the infobox, often by adding spurious days of the month for older recordings where the information doesn't seem to be available. In some cases two or more changes have been made to dates, which provides further evidence of ill intent - see for instance this, this and this, all on the same article. None of the edits have edit summaries and no citations have ever been provided. Despite checking a number of the changes I haven't found one yet that stands scrutiny. The reverts I've done so far are here and here. I'm working my way backwards through the list and have got to March so far.
So it may be a good idea to carefully scrutinise any uncited changes made by apparent newbies to established dates in articles that are covered by this Project, especially if they originate from IP ranges 86.40.0.0 to 86.47.63.255.
Happy to answer any questions — SMALL JIM 21:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
My question pertains specifically to a recent edit on a page I am working on, George Earth, but I'd like a clear understanding of the proper way to format similar items. This article is not about a song. As is documented in the article George Earth did produce an album (3 actually), for Cleopatra Records, two of these containing covers of Nine Inch Nails songs by various artists, and he did (as Candymachine) record one cover, "Mr. Self Destruct", on one of those albums. The original song, which he covered, does have its own article, as the NIN original song. The version on this tribute album though, like every other song on this tribute album, and the other tribute to NIN album that he produced with various other artists, and the Smashing Pumpkins tribute album that he produced as well, all contain cover versions of these artists' songs and not originals of the songs by their original artists. So. Today, there was an edit on the George Earth page that changed the existing text, which was not wikilinked, to a link to the original NIN song. Is that proper? I hadn't planned to do a separate page for the tribute album anytime soon, let alone a separate page for the cover version of the song (probably ever), but I think it's clear from the text that the song he covered is on a NIN tribute album, and is thus a NIN song...should this be linked to the original song's page, or no? Is there a smarter way to approach this than the one I did when I wrote the article? duff 02:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
How reliable is this (although I've been using this site)? I just came across the article " Fly Like A Bird" at GAN. The article states that Mariah's voice spans from --- to E5. But listening to the song, its higher than that (I can see A5, A6 per youtube). -- Efe ( talk) 14:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
There is missing a Lorne Greene version of this song in article. Biblija11 ( talk) 18:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
This refers to the very common misinterpretation of what a chord progression is. How should we write it on articles?
-- Efe ( talk) 14:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I note Category:Songs by producer appears to be a WP backwater that needs some considerable expansion, but before that, wp:songs really could do with guidance notes. I have a number of discussion points :-
Any comments? Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I want to make Rihanna's " S&M" an A class article, which I am pretty sure that it is at already, and was wondering how I go about nominating it? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
At Template_talk:Non-free_use_rationale_album#Here_We_Go_Again_.28Ray_Charles_song.29_alternate_cover_art, I need some coding assistance.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 22:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Because of the scenes where the female dancers in Moves Like Jagger by Maroon5 show nipslips (wardrobe malfunctions), then shouldn't it be mentioned on it's page? And that VEVO or Youtube doesn't know it?
174.31.153.173 ( talk)Concerned —Preceding undated comment added 23:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC).
It seems to me that the prominent use of the bassoon was NOT coincidence. The bassoon is frequently referred toas "the CLOWN of the orchestra".
Lowell Inhorn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.148.12 ( talk) 01:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Please add your opinion. I Help, When I Can. [12] 22:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm currently working on improving an article, " I Can Only Imagine", to GA or FA status. Currently, the only major problem with the article is the music video portion. I was wondering whether writing a synopsis (similar to what is done on FA-class movie articles) of the video would be a breach of GA/FA criteria, as I have no sources to back up the video's plot. It is highly unlikely I could find a news article or web article describing the video. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Toa Nidhiki 05 20:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks,
I'm confused about the numbering of Duran Duran's singles at this point. If 'What Happens Tomorrow' is the 33rd, and 'Sunrise' is the 31st, what's the 32nd?
With all good wishes
Andy Campbell
asc@kgv.ac.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.85.50 ( talk) 11:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Suggested merge could use some input. Please read and comment if you have an opinion on the subject. Thanks! 173.48.124.77 ( talk) 19:11, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Just posting this for anyone who may be interested in it. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 16:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
How about something for the guideline along these lines:
Cover versions
Cover versions are rarely a significant aspect of the overall topic of a song, so seldom warrant inclusion in a song's article (few featured song articles include any mention of cover versions). Inclusion may be warranted if a cover version has made the top 10 on a national, unspecialized singles chart (e.g. " With a Little Help from My Friends", " I Will Always Love You", " Without You"), or is the subject of sourced critical acclaim (insert good example here). Statements such as "the song has been recorded by more than 20 other artists" must be reliably sourced. |
It's basically just saying where things seem to be at the moment (not so sure about "top 10", but it seemed a reasonable number to start the discussion). What do folks think? Uniplex ( talk) 15:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
"Cover versions"
When a song has renditions (recorded or performed) by more than one artist, discussion of a particular artist's rendition should be included in the song's article (not a separate article), but only if at least one of the following applies:
General statements such as "the song has been recorded by more than 20 artists" must be reliably sourced. |
Uniplex ( talk) 19:40, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Is it really useful or necessary to have the complete DSotM album track listing in the infobox of every song from this album? After all, this tracklisting is available at the bottom of the articles in the DSotM navigation template. Regards. 81.83.139.181 ( talk) 13:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I dont't think Hangover (Taio Cruz song)#Background has encyclopedic style. It rather looks like from a newspaper. Vinne2 ( talk) 18:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
it was in europe everwhere number 1. number 5 in the uk. and it was not eaven in us top 100 ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.73.240.146 ( talk) 22:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I love the {{ track listing}} template, don't get me wrong, but I think it is way overused. There needs to be some guidelines lied down for track listing templates in song articles, and not just thrown in to "decorate" the article, or act as a fan discography page for every release. I edit a lot of U2 articles, so I've included some of those as examples. Here are some points that I think should be addressed.
headline
parameter. This way the reader knows where the tracks and respective times came from. The citation can be the release itself, and {{
cite music release notes}} is perfect for this.– Dream out loud ( talk) 02:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure if what I have added here was correct. I just that using sheet music as reference could be problematic at times, especially when it is used to support statements such as progression and octaves. Isn't it personal interpretation of the content(s) of the primary source itself? -- Efe ( talk) 10:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
The following has recently been added to WP:Albums. It seems logical that an amended version should be adopted for songs. Any comments?
An album may be
categorized by characteristics such as performer, producer, composer, record-label, etc., only if these are
defining characteristics of the album (i.e. reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define the album as having the characteristic—not just mention it in passing or for completeness).
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-- Richhoncho ( talk) 12:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The article "Somebody Loves Me" is about a song, but there is a 1952 movie by that name as well. See www.imdb.com/title/tt0045171 It seems to me that there needs to be a disambiguation page, or the problem resolved in some other way. Since the movie was a musical, it is likely that the song is in the movie. Lriley47 ( talk) 19:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone mind having a look/(edit;-) it appears to have been written either by one of his promoters or a heavily unbiased fan e.g. "he then proceeds with rhymes that come thick and fast backed with an athemic chorus laced with the kind of meaning that a lot of people will be able to relate to." and the fact that the "critical reception" section is based on one (favourable) review? Triboelectricity ( talk) 14:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
As a disambiguation, shouldn't many articles be actually "song title (single)" rather than "song title (song)" when the article is about a single? In the case of say, " We Wish You a Merry Christmas", certainly that's about a song, but where an article talks about the artcover for a single and the B-side etc, we're talking about a single. Of course when that song becomes covered by many artists, I would think that it reverts back to (song), but in many cases the article will just be about a single by a particular artist. Any thoughts?-- Tuzapicabit ( talk) 02:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Recently several Wikipedian contributers and I have been working on improving the article about the song Gloomy Sunday. Although we've agreed that the article is not up to standard for a GA Nomination, we've been thinking that the article could at least be of high enough quality for a B-Class rating (it is currently rated C-Class). This rating may encourage further work on the article, and the feedback given on the subsequent denile/acceptance of the rating would certainly be valuable to us in working out the course of the articles future development. As it is bad form for someone who's heavily contributed to an article to rate it, would it be possible for someone from this WikieProject to review and rank it? Any feedback about the article on the songs Discussion Page or on my talkpage would also be greatly appreciated. Cheers! Trollyboy ( talk) 05:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Where would I go if I wanted to get an A-Class assessment review for Bidi Bidi Bom Bom? Best, Jona yo! Selena 4 ever 16:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
-- GH200 ( talk) 02:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC) You guys should make pages on every song that you know of and can see on any album on wikipedia. Tell what they're about and what year they were made the artist/writers inspiration. You need to do a page on every song buy every artist you can think that can be ound n wikipedia. It only makes since because someone will be looking for information on a song that might not be that famous but they go to wikipedia to find more info about it. That's what we're here for.-- GH200 ( talk) 02:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
I have opened an WP:RFC at Talk:T.H.E._(The_Hardest_Ever)#Page_locations.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 04:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
One or more articles relating to this project have been nominated to be a future United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month. All editors interested in improving these articles or voting for next months collaboration are encouraged to participate here. -- Kumioko ( talk) 19:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
As this nomination may affect of other categories in the scheme I thought a notice of the CfD would be helpful. CfD:Songs produced by Sufjan Stevens. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 12:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone take a look at A Case of You? Over the last few days there has been an enormous amount of information added about James Blake's recent cover—information I think is given undue weight on this page. (Perhaps the information more appropriately belongs on James Blake's page?) I tried to undo the info and was reverted almost immediately. Thanks. PaintedCarpet ( talk) 12:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I would like some help with this one please, it would be nice if someone could add this picture http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&sa=N&rls=en&channel=suggest&tbm=isch&tbnid=-o9nQAwukgQC5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.45cat.com/biglabel/motown/6&docid=_eiWphDVG-thcM&imgurl=http://images.45cat.com/used-to-be-charlene-and-stevie-wonder-motown.jpg&w=766&h=763&ei=H_nwTvCAJMPi0QG35cGxAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=300&sig=112931244308411880137&page=4&tbnh=162&tbnw=172&start=68&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:68&tx=116&ty=43&biw=1440&bih=747
I would like a picture, information is covered and I want to add more to this page.....I feel this song does deserve its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarenCarpenterFan ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines for posting song lyrics on song pages that already exist and that are clearly in the public domain? It seems like an obvious thing to do yet I don't see lyrics listed for every song in PD. Jomangor ( talk) 04:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. This may well be the wrong place to mention this in which case many apologies, but I created (largely based on Infobox single and Infobox song) a template infobox called {{Template:Infobox Tin Pan Alley}} which I've used on compositions by Scott Joplin in the early years of the 20th Century. I created it because none of the infoboxes which I could find had quite the right options (second composer, arranger, sheet music cover, publishing date and sound file). Although it seems to work I may well have not formatted the code in exactly the correct manner. I hope others may find it useful, perhaps for songs or single compositions from the same era which were published as sheet music first, and only later found fame through amateur or professional performance. Ben (Major Bloodnok) ( talk) 10:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Do join the discussion on this and other possible myths re "Ging gang goolie" at
Talk:Ging_Gang_Goolie Brommabo ( talk) 07:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Are chants covered by this wikiproject? I notice that your banner is located on Talk:Chant, but an editor who edits song articles said that chants do not count as songs. 76.65.128.198 ( talk) 05:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
-- Kumioko ( talk) 20:14, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone familiar with assessing song articles please spend a couple of minutes reassessing this bot-assessed stub? Thanks very much. -- Trevj ( talk) 13:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I hope someone can correct me, but I recall dancing to this right around the fall of 1982 with my best friend. The first time we heard it, we went crazy and it still has the same kick to it now. Since I've read in Wikipedia that it didn't really hit the American charts until 83, I'm curious to know the first airdate, if possible. It would really help with my writing!
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.36.15.227 ( talk) 00:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
In terms of this song's genre, synthpop can certainly be justified. The R+B tag should refer to the Contemporary R+B page, and there isn't anything to suggest that this song can be categorised as hip hop.
Kingcrasher ( talk) 23:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Chrissy H
I just created an article for last years Academy Award for Best Original Song winner, " We Belong Together". Since most Disney songs are covered in several foreign languages, I am calling for assistance in filling in the article. My current version also needs some citations. I will try to find as many as I can. Help would be appreciated. I have added all the nominations that I could find from other articles on wikipedia. It may have been nominated for awards that don't have WP articles. Help filling that in would be appreciated. I figure since this is an Oscar winner, it is a somewhat high priority article for this project. Please come help out.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 16:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to see the above happen. The episodes that include this song are my favorites of BBT. It's also interesting that the title is referred to differently on the show than the actual title. It's a fun thing for me and one reason that I'm taking the time to write this is that I met my son's girlfriend this evening and it is her favorite show too, and she knows the lyrics. I think a lot of people would like to see this. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.229.177 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 5 February 2012
I've been trying to write Discographies for a project in school and have found these pages super helpful! However most discographies call for a record of the place the songs were recorded/produced. I've been trying to find this information and have not been able to. Any suggestions? 1Krystal.Stevens ( talk) 04:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Can I get some assistance with standardising and expanding the Lists of UK top 10 singles series of articles. The model for this should be the 2011 or 2003 lists, but obviously with more text, images and references. Thanks. 03 md 03:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Has there ever been consideration for a template of "Song ratings" or "Single ratings" in the same style as Template:Album ratings? The basic idea is that rather than include something like this, editors could include a scoring system as seen on album pages that neatly summarizes critical reception.- RDavi404 ( talk) 15:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I have removed some facts attributed to sheet music as published at www.musicnotes.com. Here are my recent removals:
These bits all had some kind of problem with the worst offender being "Causing a Commotion" which cited a non-existent source. Other bits get the key wrong, the chord progression wrong, or the tempo wrong. Many of these assert that the sheet music defines the vocal range as heard on the recorded song, the vocal range as performed by the artist.
I looked for past discussions about Musicnotes.com and found several useful ones. The most explicit was Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_56#Musicnotes.com at which it was decided that Musicnotes.com could not be linked with a URL because it is a pay site, and that it is not a reliable source for the key or tempo or vocal range of the song as recorded by the artist. The discussion determined that the published sheet music can be used as a reference just like a published book can be, but only for facts about the sheet music, not about the song as recorded and widely heard.
In the face of this mainly negative finding, there is an incomplete proposed guideline at Wikipedia:Using sheet music sources which wishes to establish Musicnotes.com and Sheetmusicplus.com as reliable sources, including the URLs. No consensus has been reached (yet) regarding the full proposal. Binksternet ( talk) 20:06, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
A Featured Article that falls under the scope of this WikiProject has been found to have significant issues with verification failure and plagiarism:
Attention from any interested editors would be welcome. Due to the high rate of issues found so far, every single reference is going to need to be checked and fixed, where problems are found. Help from the primary editor ( User:Legolas2186) doesn't seem to be forthcoming, since he disappeared when issues were raised.
The Featured Article Review process may be started soon for this. If no-one is able to help, it will likely lose FA status. -- Laser brain (talk) 14:53, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated List of unreleased Michael Jackson material for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Rubiscous ( talk) 17:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that WP:SONGCOVER appears to tell us that covers of songs should not be mentioned in a song article unless:
- the rendition is discussed by a reliable source on the subject of the song (not on the subject of the rendition),
- the rendition itself meets the notability requirement at WP:NSONGS.
Here's the most recent (2011) discussion which resulted in the guideline we now have: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs/Archive_8#Cover_Versions. Here's an earlier discussion from 2009: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs/coverversions.
The guideline as written in 2011 would have us delete lists of song covers that are not notable by themselves, such as this deletion of mine at " Walk Like an Egyptian", this deletion of mine at " You're the One That I Want", and this deletion of mine at " I Shot the Sheriff". Are such deletions good for the encyclopedia? Are they adhering properly to the guideline as written? Should the guideline be made more inclusive? Binksternet ( talk) 18:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
And it concerns an issue I brought up on this talk page nearly two years ago. Naturally, that thread received no response and was eventually archived.
Last night, after creating the article " Let It Go!", I also had to create the corresponding song category for the artist, ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:F.T. Island songs. This is where the issue comes up. "Let It Go!" is a song sung in Japanese. The band is South Korean. I currently have ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:F.T. Island songs categorized under ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:South Korean songs, which, to me, is confusing and misleading, as it's unclear whether the artist is South Korean or the song is South Korean (think traditional songs). In other cases, like ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Spanish songs, could cause further confusion as it may also lead readers to believe the song is sung in Spanish (granted, most are, but that doesn't stop Spanish people from singing in a different language. Enrique Iglesias, anyone?). That was one of my points at the CFD when I nominated the subcategories of ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Albums by artist nationality.
I'd like to rename the song categories in the same manner, but because some songs do fit perfectly under Foo songs ( Afghan National Anthem is an example of where it's accurately categorized under ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Afghan songs), the issue is a bit more complex than the albums categories. So, I did list three options in the link to the archive in my first sentence, I'd like to get the ball rolling and actually have something done this time around. I hope to hear what the community thinks of this issue and proposals. — ξ xplicit 23:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
This song called A Man Without Love (Quando M'Innamoro)was actually composed by D. Pace,Mario Panzeri and Roberto Livraghi and made famous by Engelbert Humperdinck. In the Wikipedia Article it states that Enrique Iglesias wrote Cuando Me Enamoro. Is any of the family of the original song writers getting royalties. I can't believe that in this day and age singers are singing music and claiming that they wrote it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.134.141.202 ( talk) 09:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
This article claims that the song is in F Lydian mode (which means that the tonal center is F while having an A minor scale). I disagree. This song is in A minor, and predominantly features A minor, C major (the relative major), and G major (the dominant of C) chords. The main source of the argument that F is the key is that the song ends on an F major chord. Simply put, in pop music, the last chord does not determine the key of the song. The key of the song is based on what chords the song revolves around. As stated before, these are chords characteristic of the A minor key. Furthermore, it is commonplace for pop songs to end on the VI chord. This creates an incomplete feeling, one that goes along with the music video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmactweed ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I suggest every page about a song should have a lyrics section. Of course some songs do not have words, there will be exceptions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.100.58.175 ( talk) 21:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
There's a policy against that: WP:NOTLYRICS. — ξ xplicit 21:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Why did Hendrix play Watchtower in one direction on the guiter , rather than up and down? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheldog1 ( talk • contribs) 03:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Once a song is posted on iTunes, should I be able to figure out its writer. I am having some trouble filling in the infobox for " Cat Daddy".-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
" Here We Go Again (Ray Charles song)"'s WP:FAC review is getting long in the tooth and is right on the borderline. Come help make sure the right decision is made.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 12:19, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Ayy Ladies should be added. It is Travis Porter's most successful song to-date, it has a music video, and it is widely popular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.12.50 ( talk) 19:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
The article Addicted (Prince Royce song) has been proposed for deletion. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 15:37, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Would be nice to add personnel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SgtPepper ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have it so they can tell me what the credits and personnel are for " The Silence (song)" please? Aaron • You Da One 16:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated 4 Minutes (Madonna song) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
What are sources for researching the use of a song in movies, tv shows and commercials?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 02:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone upload a screenshot of the music video for the Sugababes song No Can Do? Till 06:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, can i get your opinion on renaming 2 of these to clean up the names and make it less awkward:
To this:
Thanks Jenova 20 09:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello all. Push the Button (Sugababes song) is currently a featured article candidate; it was re-nominated as the previous archive was closed early due to the lack of feedback. I am asking anybody who is interested to consider commenting on the current archive as to whether it meets the featured article criteria. Thanks. Till I Go Home talk 15:12, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Most discography pages list only certification for singles, but is there any point in listing certification for singles any more? Most singles in the US are no longer properly certified, and when they are, they are often so far behind sales that it is meaningless, if not downright misleading. Gotye's "Somebody That I Used to Know" has sold over 5 million, but only 1x platinum certified, Kelly Clarkson's "Stronger" has sold over 3 million, but no certification at all (neither are her songs "Mr Know It All", "My Life Would Suck Without You" and "Already Gone", all of which have sold either 1 or 2 million). Much better to give sales where known rather than bothering with certification. Hzh ( talk) 14:27, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
I have done some research and found a few more facts that I believe will help this article improve. What are some areas that we could work on? ( Bhickman02 ( talk) 04:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC))
Should Lady Godiva (song) and Lady Godiva (Alex Day song) be merged? User:Sakimonk doesn't think so. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 07:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
This is being considered for deletion. Please see WP:Articles for deletion/Parodies of My Bonnie Lies Over The Ocean. Simply south.... .. always punctual, no matter how late for just 6 years 21:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm working on an album article but I've run into an issue as what to define one of its songs as - one of the songs from the album, "American Dream", has a radio adds date to the Christian Rock radio format, and adds dates are normally a confirmation of a song being a single. However, the record label the band is on has released press releases which say there were only three singles from the album ("If We Are the Body", "Who Am I", "Voice of Truth"), and "American Dream" is not one of them. Does this make it a promotional single or is it still a legitimate single release? Toa Nidhiki05 20:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
There is an RfC going on at Talk:St. Jimmy concerning notability of b-sides and songs that were covered by notable artists. Please comment. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 17:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
The usage of Supermassive Black Hole is under discussion, see Talk:Supermassive Black Hole (song) -- 76.65.131.160 ( talk) 02:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I nominated Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis/archive2 over a month ago and it hasn't had many comments from reviewers and editors. One of the reviewers hasn't been online for over a week, and another hasn't responded to some comments I have replied. I was advised to leave a note on the list's wikiproject's asking for anyone who may have some time to spare to review the list and leave comments. A vote on whether or not you feel the article is worthy of FL status would also be appreciated so that the FLC can make some progress. Thanks. Aaron • You Da One 23:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
List of UK Singles Chart Christmas number twos has been listed for deletion, if anybody want to comment... Cheers.-- Richhoncho ( talk) 16:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Just a note that I've nominated " Missing My Baby" at FAC and would like my fellow members to provide a comment on its nomination. Best, Jona talk to me 14:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I have just fixed a couple of dead links to Chartstats, among other things, in this edit:
Thanks. -- Mirokado ( talk) 17:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Right I have a question about Spectrum (song) by Florence and the Machine. The album version is called "Spectrum" and the song was released as the fourth single from Ceremonials. However the song was remixed by Calvin Harris, and the remixed version titled "Spectrum (Say My Name)" was the one that was serviced to radio and released commercially. It is the one that appears on all the charts. Its my view that introduction should explain this and that everything about the song (the infobox etc.) should refer to the remix as this is the commercial single. I also think the page should be located at Spectrum (Say My Name). I'm in the middle of expanding/restructuring in a sandbox but it'd be usedful to see what people think? — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 21:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
My Kazakhstan (song) has been requested to be renamed, see Talk:My Kazakhstan (song) -- 76.65.128.252 ( talk) 23:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The name Johnny is spelled incorrectly in the page; the original song lyrics shows it as Johnnie and someone should fix this as I don't know how and too old to figure it out. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.140.32.62 ( talk) 15:02, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I've read all three articles. It seems to me that they all use basically the same melody, and the articles ought to state this. Based on the articles, I assume that the orignal source for the tune is the French Canadian one, "Alouette". Perhaps the two other articles could be edited to indicate this. 71.38.239.116 ( talk) 16:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)Thomas Thurston, tnthurston@msn.com
An article that falls under the scope of this project, List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones, has been nominated for featured list. Interested members can review and comment here. Toa Nidhiki05 21:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Is it explicitly stated anywhere, or is there a previous consensus on a project page, stating that if a song was only released as a music video that doesn't make it a single? If not, could we open up that discussion now? Fezmar9 ( talk) 22:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello. Red Dress (song) is currently a featured article candidate and your imput here would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Till 05:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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Recent edits have caused me to look more closely at List of Billboard Year-End number-one singles and albums and the related templates. E.g., {{ Billboard Year-End number one singles 1946–1959}} now has two songs in 1959 (" The Battle of New Orleans" and " Come Softly to Me"). There is no source for the year-end in the List article which points to a late November weekly chart. this website suggests that " Mack the Knife" was the number one song for that year. Other years show similar discrepancies. Does anyone have proper sources for this WP list?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 15:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone help me by listing 7 or 8 of muse's most played radio songs? Thanks alot Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.93.191 ( talk) 15:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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They had at least a couple hits off of this album, but this article doesn't even mention it: http://www.amazon.com/Lap-Luxury-Cheap-Trick/dp/B0000026D1/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.61.65.231 ( talk) 00:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
While we're at it, the most complete encyclopedia in the world may as well have song lyrics for every song which has an article. Frankly, I'm not sure why this isn't already the case. Epheterson ( talk) 22:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
In the article The Power of Love (Frankie Goes to Hollywood song) a large section has been added regarding a cover version by Gabrielle Aplin here: [1]. I'm of the opinion that this addition more promotional than informative. The adding editor claims that this version has charted, but I find no evidence of that. Either way, I see no other song article where a minor cover version has this much space dedicated to it. Perhaps I'm wrong, which is why I am asking here. Thanks. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 16:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Would anyone from the Wikiproject like to leave any comments which they feel concerns them or would cast a vote in support or opposition based on your findings, I would much appreciate it. The list has garnered several good (and resolved) reviews, but no votes have been cast. Thanks. AARON• TALK 12:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Does a release to iTunes mean that a song has become an official single? I thought it did not, but there is a confusion regarding this in the chronology of the article " In My City", where it is still unsure if "Erase" is the next single. As per this link from Digital Spy, the song is being released to iTunes. But is that enough? I thought confirmation from the artist or the label is necessary. Please weigh in your thoughts. — Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 07:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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Feedback requested Presently, Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers contains a hodge-podge of naming schemes, including "List of [x] songs", "List of songs recorded by [x]", etc. Could someone suggest some streamlined fashion for how these should be named? For what it's worth, it also seems like mixing composers together with performers is a bad idea: part of the problem will be solved if we can extract "List of songs with lyrics by [x]" from "List of songs [x] played on"—those are two evidently and significantly different schemes. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 07:53, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
This discussion has been ongoing for two weeks and notice has been placed on a number of related projects. I think we now have to move this along while at the same time welcoming and encouraging more comments.
Barring one contributor, we have all plumped for “List of Songs recorded by [artist].” This seems to suggest that all the entries in the present category should be along the following lines – List of songs (action) by (person).
I am reading a consensus to empty the main category Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers, diffusing the various entries into relevant sub-categories of songs. Am I correct or are we considering deletion of the category?
Does anybody have any proposal what should be included in the guidelines for WP:SONG to close this out? -- Richhoncho ( talk) 05:52, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Songs by writer, songs by production, songs recorded have now all being moved out into their own relevant category. What is left in the category is quite dissimilar in naming and/or content. Does anybody have any suggestions what to do with the remaining 35 members of the category? Unless anybody has any idea for naming conventions, my thought would be to empty the members to Category:Lists of songs which could also do with a little consideration -- Richhoncho ( talk) 11:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I wish I considered it as simple as that, here’s some of the main considerations :-
Hi, would appreciate it if you could take some time to comment at Talk:Trouble_(Leona_Lewis_song)#How_is_iTunes_messed_up. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 23:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
What is the style convention for dealing with songs that don't have articles of their own? Is it better to link to the album the song comes from, or to not link at all? — Gordon P. Hemsley→ ✉ 04:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Actually my best reason has to deal with the Queen album articles. Each some on most of the albums had a link, most of them just linked to a different part of the page that described the song, BUT OTHERS linked actual articles solely dedicated to the song. It was rather confusing it made learning from the article bothersome, and not at all helpful. If instead the only songs with links were the ones with independent articles, it'd not only look more tidy, but also display the proper information the links are there for (to bring you to that article the link implies you will go to) I like redirects only when typed into the search box, because that tells you it doesn't have it's own article BUT you can learn about it from going to the album page, but in some cases what if the song does have an article, but the person linking it doesn't know this and he/she instead links it to the album. This would lead to the link not leading to the best article it can. OK an example: The song Dumb by Nirvana was under a great debate whether it should have an article or not, the consensus is no, but many people may expect it to have one. So in an article if you see the song "Dumb" with a link and it only takes you to the In Utero page, it'd be rather annoying in my opinion and it is best if there was just no link on the song title at all. What if every song on In Utero had a link linking to In Utero except for the 4 songs with their own independent articles? How would the user know that " Heart-Shaped Box", " Rape Me", " Pennyroyal Tea", and " All Apologies" have articles if all 12 twelves songs showed links, when the other 8 would just redirect to In Utero?
Please click each link and tell me whether you think this is convenient or not:
OR
Please click each link and tell me whether you think this is convenient or not:
Which is more confusing and misleading? -- Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 03:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Well that was the song you messaged me for delinking, because I delinked a song from the track-list of Appetite for Destruction because it had no article. So I assumed that that's what you meant, but my point still stands, it'd still be rather unhelpful to be redirected to an album through a song link especially since the person clicking most of the time is there to only learn about the one song and not the entire album. In some cases the album article says nothing about the song except for the fact that it's on the track-list. -- Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 11:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't know that there's a hard and fast rule; I guess for me it depends. I agree that in the In Utero album article, linking every non-notable song back to the In Utero article is not useful. In the 12-12-12 concert article, however, I can at least see some benefit in linking " My Valentine" or " Cut Me Some Slack" because unlike in the In Utero example, there's potential to question what songs these are. That actually happened to me when looking at the Bruce Springsteen segment of the 12-12-12 article. I'm not really familiar with Springsteen's recent work, so when I saw "Wrecking Ball", my first thought was that he performed the Neil Young song (from Young's 1989 Freedom album and later covered by Emmylou Harris in 1995). It was only when I cut and paste "Wrecking Ball" into the search box that I remembered that The Boss' latest album is also called Wrecking Ball, and so he was in all likelihood singing the title track at the 12-12-12 concert. It does not seem unreasonable in such instances to link such songs to their respective albums' track listing (e.g. " My Valentine"). Gong show 17:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe if it linked to a specific part of the page it'd work, but if it just links to the top of the page, I don't really see it being useful. -- Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 19:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)