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Monarchies in the Americas has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Just for my own personal research, would anyone be able to tell me how many Wikipedia articles are in the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility? Thnak you. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 00:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, WikiProject,
I'd appreciate if some knowledgable editor could look over this article and evaluate whether this person's royal claim (from 400 years ago) is real or this is effectively a promotional hoax article that should be tagged for some form of deletion. Thanks for any help you can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wedding of Grand Duke George Mikhailovich of Russia and Rebecca Virginia Bettarini#Requested move 16 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 08:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Heads of former ruling families#Requested move 13 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I've started an rfc on the inclusion of Frederik X's hosue, if so which, and how. Not experienced in rfc's either, so comments and advice are much appreciated. EmilySarah99 ( talk) 10:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Francis Phoebus of Navarre#Requested move 15 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 02:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nicholas II of Russia#Requested move 24 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 22:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
I know we had this massive discussion, but that, I think, ended with the initiator pulling out and resulted in nothing. Now we have articles being moved left, right and centre, and quite frankly, I know a lot of editors, including myself I will admit, are tired of seeing articles break convention and removing consistency on Wikipedia. Why do Margrethe II and Frederik X not have the "of Denmark", but Frederick VIII of Denmark and Christian IX of Denmark do? Why does every single Dutch monarch have "of the Netherlands", even though many of them do not have the same name as any other monarch? Why should Nicholas II of Russia be moved to "Nicholas II" because he is the primary topic, even though that would make that article completely inconsistent with all other Russian monarchs articles? It is clear that monarchs without the "of {country}" are monarchs that have ruled in the past 200 or so years, so isn't this bias from Wikipedia, favouring the present? On Wikipedia, it used to be customary for all monarchs' articles to have "of {country}" (unless of course there is an alternate common name like Charlemagne or Alexander the Great). British monarchs were always an exception and to me that seems fair enough since this is the English Wikipedia and they are going to be of most interest to English-reading viewers. I am bringing this to light because I think it is time that we have a proper discussion. I am not calling for an RFC (not yet, at least) nor for an argument, just for a simple discussion so we can commence talks. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedians must place the interests of the encyclopedia and its readers above personal concerns. And as frustrating as the RfC outcome that started this recent tidal wave on retitling European sovereigns' articles may be, it was a reflection of WP:CONSENSUS, which is the core of how decisions should be made on Wikipedia.
proper discussionthat is recommended in the original post, I have already started two of these. They did not change the consensus of the community.
User:GrandDukeMarcelo opened discussions on a few pages eg link, regarding the use of the royalty infobox over the pretender infobox for members of families of abolished monarchies. This kind of discussion has come up before in the history of a few different pages. I think a policy to only use the Pretender Infobox for those making an active claim and/or head of house with a claim would make sense (whether or not a monarchy exists as the word "pretender" at least tells you they are not reigning).
I feel it's incorrect to use the Royalty Infobox for descendants multiple generations down from an abolished monarchy. It would be more correct to not use the royal infobox for these other people as it implies a currently reigning royal family exists and by definition they are not royal. Perhaps a new infobox template could exist or ideally Person Infobox should be used instead. Opinions? D1551D3N7 ( talk) 20:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
I feel it's incorrect to use the Royalty Infobox for descendants multiple generations down from an abolished monarchy. It would be more correct to not use the royal infobox for these other people as it implies a currently reigning royal family exists and by definition they are not royal.Agree 100%. Unfortunately many of the biographies of such people were originally written in a fantasist style, with lots of fake titles, unsourced, unencyclopedic family trees, and poor quality in-universe sourcing. This doesn't so much require a policy as it requires competent editing by people with a lot of time and energy .... -- JBL ( talk) 21:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
IMHO, there should be no infoboxes for pretenders. GoodDay ( talk) 20:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yang di-Pertuan Agong#Requested move 4 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 21:29, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
An editor seems to believe that Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich of Russia was Emperor of Russia from 1-26 December 1825. Historians (and Konstantin's 1823 renounciation) says otherwise. See Konstantin's bio page & List of Russian monarchs, etc. GoodDay ( talk) 07:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I am just notifying editors of this discussion here, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 08:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Zog I of Albania#Requested move 14 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 01:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor#Requested move 27 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 14:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I have noticed that all the children of the Prince and Princess of all Royal families in Europe have their own articles. While the articles on the children of Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland and Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland have all in AfDs in the part been redirected to their parents articles. Why? And for consistency I propose that we re-create their articles as well. BabbaQ ( talk) 07:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Pharnavaz I of Iberia#Requested move 6 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 00:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Isabella I of Castile#Requested move 29 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 13:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that Princess Mathilde of Schönburg-Waldenburg, Princess Augusta of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, and Theodora of Hesse-Darmstadt which each had AFDs that agreed on turning them into redirects as seen here, here, and here, had them turned back into articles that are more or less article to their previous versions. 98.228.137.44 ( talk) 00:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mark Phillips#Requested move 27 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 07:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:Catherine, Princess of Wales § Simplicity and concision.
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Several of the requested moves listed on the main page have been open for several months. 98.228.137.44 ( talk) 03:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia#Requested move 9 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Editors are invited to contribute to the discussion at Template talk:Hanoverian princes to decide whether all princes born after March 1914 should be removed from the template, and that similar edits should be made at other navboxes. DrKay ( talk) 16:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
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I'm wondering if anyone from this WikiProject might be interested in taking Briannemartindale under their wing and possibly helping them out when it comes to creating articles about nobles/royals. I came across this user at WP:THQ#spelling and grammar help and they seem to need the assistance of someone familiar with this type of article, how its sourced and how to best establish its Wikipedia notability. They seem to be arguing that the Wikipedia notability of the subject's they're trying to create articles about is inherited because they're relatives of someone Wikipedia notable (that's exactly not really true WP:NRVE), but their might be other reasons that some of the subjects being written about are Wikipedia notable. Part of the problem seems to be that Briannemartindale looks to be mainly creating one or two sentence stubs with very few sources cited (e.g. Henry Wentworth, 3rd Baron Wentworth) and then asking others to clean things up on the articles talk pages (e.g. Talk:Henry Wentworth, 3rd Baron Wentworth); I've seen others try to do something similar before and it usually doesn't work too well when it comes to article creation. Many of these articles already seem to have been draftified (probably justified in most cases) to give Briannemartindale a chance to work some more on them, but they don't seem to like that. Given the types of articles and content Briannemartindale appears to be interested in, perhaps they would be interested in becoming a member of this WikiProject. Briannemartidale has already been warned several times over the years about stuff and even seems to have ended up at ANI a few years back. One of the most recent warnings issued is related to poor translating, which actually can lead to problems per WP:TFOLWP and WP:OTHERLANGS if done poorly. Anyway, if someone wants to try mentoring this user a bit, then that would be great. They seem to mean well, and perhaps they be able to turn things around with the help of someone more experienced with these articles. They do seem to need a bit of specialized guidance that probably is something the more general noticeboards like the Teahouse or Help Desk is going to be able to provide. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
i have several drafts that could be included on your drafts page including Henry Wentworth, 3rd Baron Wentworth, Nicholas Audley, 1st Baron Audley, Sir Richard Wentworth , Mary Neville, Baroness le Despencer
help would be much appreciated to get these drafts up and running thanks
thanks Briannemartindale ( talk) 23:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:House of Bjelbo#Requested move 27 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 12:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Philip of Sweden#Requested move 29 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:James V of Scotland#Requested move 7 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 02:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
does anybody know the rough timeframe it takes for a submissions approval in this wikiproject? In the past I have had approvals in days/ just over a week however my current one has been almost a month, just wondering if there was something happening on the back end of Wikipedia?? my page is De'Anyers family. Some formatting errors which i'd be grateful for some help on.. but to my knowledge it is otherwise notable (with links to members pages wikipedia notable) and well sourced. would be grateful for some guidance thank you!!!! Starktoncollosal ( talk) 12:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dawid2009 ( talk) 15:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Mere curiosity here: Is it known who had the greatest number of English/Scottish/British/Irish/UK peerages? —Tamfang ( talk) 05:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:David III of Tao#Requested move 27 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 07:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Was patrolling this article and couldn't really verify much in this outside of references to books that I cannot access. One of the family, Peter Daniell, has written a book on the family history, but that might not be independent. Was wondering if the WikiProject Royalty and Nobility had any view on it? thanks. Aszx5000 ( talk) 13:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Monarchies in the Americas has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Just for my own personal research, would anyone be able to tell me how many Wikipedia articles are in the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility? Thnak you. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 00:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, WikiProject,
I'd appreciate if some knowledgable editor could look over this article and evaluate whether this person's royal claim (from 400 years ago) is real or this is effectively a promotional hoax article that should be tagged for some form of deletion. Thanks for any help you can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wedding of Grand Duke George Mikhailovich of Russia and Rebecca Virginia Bettarini#Requested move 16 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 08:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Heads of former ruling families#Requested move 13 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I've started an rfc on the inclusion of Frederik X's hosue, if so which, and how. Not experienced in rfc's either, so comments and advice are much appreciated. EmilySarah99 ( talk) 10:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Francis Phoebus of Navarre#Requested move 15 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 02:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nicholas II of Russia#Requested move 24 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 22:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
I know we had this massive discussion, but that, I think, ended with the initiator pulling out and resulted in nothing. Now we have articles being moved left, right and centre, and quite frankly, I know a lot of editors, including myself I will admit, are tired of seeing articles break convention and removing consistency on Wikipedia. Why do Margrethe II and Frederik X not have the "of Denmark", but Frederick VIII of Denmark and Christian IX of Denmark do? Why does every single Dutch monarch have "of the Netherlands", even though many of them do not have the same name as any other monarch? Why should Nicholas II of Russia be moved to "Nicholas II" because he is the primary topic, even though that would make that article completely inconsistent with all other Russian monarchs articles? It is clear that monarchs without the "of {country}" are monarchs that have ruled in the past 200 or so years, so isn't this bias from Wikipedia, favouring the present? On Wikipedia, it used to be customary for all monarchs' articles to have "of {country}" (unless of course there is an alternate common name like Charlemagne or Alexander the Great). British monarchs were always an exception and to me that seems fair enough since this is the English Wikipedia and they are going to be of most interest to English-reading viewers. I am bringing this to light because I think it is time that we have a proper discussion. I am not calling for an RFC (not yet, at least) nor for an argument, just for a simple discussion so we can commence talks. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedians must place the interests of the encyclopedia and its readers above personal concerns. And as frustrating as the RfC outcome that started this recent tidal wave on retitling European sovereigns' articles may be, it was a reflection of WP:CONSENSUS, which is the core of how decisions should be made on Wikipedia.
proper discussionthat is recommended in the original post, I have already started two of these. They did not change the consensus of the community.
User:GrandDukeMarcelo opened discussions on a few pages eg link, regarding the use of the royalty infobox over the pretender infobox for members of families of abolished monarchies. This kind of discussion has come up before in the history of a few different pages. I think a policy to only use the Pretender Infobox for those making an active claim and/or head of house with a claim would make sense (whether or not a monarchy exists as the word "pretender" at least tells you they are not reigning).
I feel it's incorrect to use the Royalty Infobox for descendants multiple generations down from an abolished monarchy. It would be more correct to not use the royal infobox for these other people as it implies a currently reigning royal family exists and by definition they are not royal. Perhaps a new infobox template could exist or ideally Person Infobox should be used instead. Opinions? D1551D3N7 ( talk) 20:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
I feel it's incorrect to use the Royalty Infobox for descendants multiple generations down from an abolished monarchy. It would be more correct to not use the royal infobox for these other people as it implies a currently reigning royal family exists and by definition they are not royal.Agree 100%. Unfortunately many of the biographies of such people were originally written in a fantasist style, with lots of fake titles, unsourced, unencyclopedic family trees, and poor quality in-universe sourcing. This doesn't so much require a policy as it requires competent editing by people with a lot of time and energy .... -- JBL ( talk) 21:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
IMHO, there should be no infoboxes for pretenders. GoodDay ( talk) 20:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yang di-Pertuan Agong#Requested move 4 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 21:29, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
An editor seems to believe that Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich of Russia was Emperor of Russia from 1-26 December 1825. Historians (and Konstantin's 1823 renounciation) says otherwise. See Konstantin's bio page & List of Russian monarchs, etc. GoodDay ( talk) 07:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I am just notifying editors of this discussion here, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 08:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Zog I of Albania#Requested move 14 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 01:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor#Requested move 27 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 14:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I have noticed that all the children of the Prince and Princess of all Royal families in Europe have their own articles. While the articles on the children of Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland and Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland have all in AfDs in the part been redirected to their parents articles. Why? And for consistency I propose that we re-create their articles as well. BabbaQ ( talk) 07:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Pharnavaz I of Iberia#Requested move 6 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 00:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Isabella I of Castile#Requested move 29 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 13:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that Princess Mathilde of Schönburg-Waldenburg, Princess Augusta of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, and Theodora of Hesse-Darmstadt which each had AFDs that agreed on turning them into redirects as seen here, here, and here, had them turned back into articles that are more or less article to their previous versions. 98.228.137.44 ( talk) 00:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mark Phillips#Requested move 27 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 07:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:Catherine, Princess of Wales § Simplicity and concision.
Aaron Liu (
talk)
12:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Several of the requested moves listed on the main page have been open for several months. 98.228.137.44 ( talk) 03:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia#Requested move 9 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Editors are invited to contribute to the discussion at Template talk:Hanoverian princes to decide whether all princes born after March 1914 should be removed from the template, and that similar edits should be made at other navboxes. DrKay ( talk) 16:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:Requested moves § Adding hyphens to French personal names.
Ham II (
talk)
05:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) § Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) - RfC drafting for reversion of the November 2023 change.
Rosbif73 (
talk)
08:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm wondering if anyone from this WikiProject might be interested in taking Briannemartindale under their wing and possibly helping them out when it comes to creating articles about nobles/royals. I came across this user at WP:THQ#spelling and grammar help and they seem to need the assistance of someone familiar with this type of article, how its sourced and how to best establish its Wikipedia notability. They seem to be arguing that the Wikipedia notability of the subject's they're trying to create articles about is inherited because they're relatives of someone Wikipedia notable (that's exactly not really true WP:NRVE), but their might be other reasons that some of the subjects being written about are Wikipedia notable. Part of the problem seems to be that Briannemartindale looks to be mainly creating one or two sentence stubs with very few sources cited (e.g. Henry Wentworth, 3rd Baron Wentworth) and then asking others to clean things up on the articles talk pages (e.g. Talk:Henry Wentworth, 3rd Baron Wentworth); I've seen others try to do something similar before and it usually doesn't work too well when it comes to article creation. Many of these articles already seem to have been draftified (probably justified in most cases) to give Briannemartindale a chance to work some more on them, but they don't seem to like that. Given the types of articles and content Briannemartindale appears to be interested in, perhaps they would be interested in becoming a member of this WikiProject. Briannemartidale has already been warned several times over the years about stuff and even seems to have ended up at ANI a few years back. One of the most recent warnings issued is related to poor translating, which actually can lead to problems per WP:TFOLWP and WP:OTHERLANGS if done poorly. Anyway, if someone wants to try mentoring this user a bit, then that would be great. They seem to mean well, and perhaps they be able to turn things around with the help of someone more experienced with these articles. They do seem to need a bit of specialized guidance that probably is something the more general noticeboards like the Teahouse or Help Desk is going to be able to provide. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
i have several drafts that could be included on your drafts page including Henry Wentworth, 3rd Baron Wentworth, Nicholas Audley, 1st Baron Audley, Sir Richard Wentworth , Mary Neville, Baroness le Despencer
help would be much appreciated to get these drafts up and running thanks
thanks Briannemartindale ( talk) 23:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:House of Bjelbo#Requested move 27 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 12:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Philip of Sweden#Requested move 29 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:James V of Scotland#Requested move 7 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 02:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
does anybody know the rough timeframe it takes for a submissions approval in this wikiproject? In the past I have had approvals in days/ just over a week however my current one has been almost a month, just wondering if there was something happening on the back end of Wikipedia?? my page is De'Anyers family. Some formatting errors which i'd be grateful for some help on.. but to my knowledge it is otherwise notable (with links to members pages wikipedia notable) and well sourced. would be grateful for some guidance thank you!!!! Starktoncollosal ( talk) 12:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dawid2009 ( talk) 15:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Mere curiosity here: Is it known who had the greatest number of English/Scottish/British/Irish/UK peerages? —Tamfang ( talk) 05:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:David III of Tao#Requested move 27 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел ( talk) 07:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Was patrolling this article and couldn't really verify much in this outside of references to books that I cannot access. One of the family, Peter Daniell, has written a book on the family history, but that might not be independent. Was wondering if the WikiProject Royalty and Nobility had any view on it? thanks. Aszx5000 ( talk) 13:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)