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In the paragraph which says:
“ | For articles on stations located in countries which do use government-issued call signs, the official call sign should be used. However, in places with a mix of call signs and station names, such as most of Central and South America and Australian FM Radio, the station name should normally be used, except when the call sign is well-known. | ” |
Please consider adding the Philippines to the places mentioned. Radio stations in the Philippines are not required to identify themselves on-air by their call signs that call signs, especially of most FM stations, became unknown to the listeners. — theenjay36 ( talk) 08:16, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
FYI, there is a discussion here about removing the "Radio stations by frequency" categories, i.e. Category:Radio station 88.1, etc. This discussion began January 3, 2015, so if you want to make your voice heard, please do so ASAP. (There are also similar discussions for American TV stations by channel number, Canadian TV stations by channel number and Mexican TV stations by channel number.) -- Chaswmsday ( talk) 01:01, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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Harej ( talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
In the past year or so, the FCC has been putting its pre-1980 license index cards online - they were maintained by hand using a typewriter dating back to the 1920s
These are an invaluable resource for researching history - for example, the article for KWKA mentions the station was started by Norm Petty, but doesn't cite a source.
Confirms that fact, as well as the date the station was licensed, and pre-1980 ownership changes 24.74.37.142 ( talk) 17:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
New
User:Trapezanidis 1453 has been creating a number of these, probably translating from Greek Wikipedia. It might be useful for someone from this project to assist him with infoboxes, cats, notability for broadcasters and English. I have left a note on his talk page suggesting the same. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 16:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC).
I suggest this page should be moved to WBRN-FM, per FCC.-- John123521 ( Talk- Contib.) RA 14:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
That move has gone ahead, after some hickups, and I'm going to suggest a tweak to the naming conventions to make it easier next time.
It seems to me that, in the case of radio stations that are legally obliged to use a particular callsign, when this callsign changes (as in this case) the article should be immediately elligible to move to the new callsign. I think that's both the letter and the intention of Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio Stations#Modifying article titles for stations that change their call signs ( see here for a permalink to the current version at the date of this comment). The only problem is, that's not currently linked to from WP:AT and so has no status as a topic-specific naming convention.
I think it should be recognised as an official naming convention. The change of official callsign has implications that mean it's reasonable to assume that the new callsign is almost instantly in common use.
So it's an unusual and very interesting topic area, and possibly has implications in other areas as well. It's a clear case I think, and might well be helpful as an example in untangling more complex cases in other topic areas.
But for now, just making future RMs that much simpler would justify some work on getting official consensus-based acceptance of this article naming convention. These callsign changes are quite common, so the investment will be quickly repaid.
Comments? Andrewa ( talk) 01:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
With the number of AM to FM migrating stations in Mexico in recent years, the by-state navboxes need serious updating.
While I'm working on improving station article stubs in general (with such standard features as cited powers, concessionaire/permitholder names and {{
mexico-inf}}
), the infoboxes need help. The
Federal Telecommunications Institute lists 21 FMs in Aguascalientes. Our {{
Aguascalientes Radio}}
template shows 9.
It's easy to help! Just ensure every FM you see here is listed in the appropriate state radio template. The IFT sorts stations by state, and the abbreviations should be straightforward, so you don't even really need to know Spanish! (While some AMs need to be removed, the IFT removes so many of them from their lists while they are still on that I'm not touching them.)
This would be really helpful in the development of potential future station articles and in updating the navboxes to reflect the sheer quantity of recent FM sign-ons in Mexico. Raymie ( t • c) 07:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if it'll show up on the article alerts or not, but just in case - wanted to highlight a discussion happening here for a series of requested moves I've submitted. The suggestion is to rename the various templates for college radio stations in each state so that they're named consistently with all the various format-by-state templates. I don't actually think this will end up being controversial, but since the change affects 40-odd templates, better safe than sorry. Posting here since this is the audience most likely to care. Mlaffs ( talk) 02:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
If you have noticed that the FCC link on the {{ FM station data}}, {{ AM station data}}, or {{ LPFM station data}} templates is not working, don't panic. The link is not broken. The FCC website has been down since late on Friday and as of this post remains so. It will probably remain that way until sometime tomorrow, it is the Federal Government after all.
The Radio-Locator and Arbitron links continue to work. If you do need basic information concerning a radio station, try the Radio-Locator link. There, you will get a Google Maps link for the tower location, tower height and power information (from the FCC file), along with a coverage area map. I wouldn't completely trust the format information, as that isn't always up-to-date, try the Arbitron link for that. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Per this, the FCC has a scheduled outage of their databases upcoming on the evening of September 2nd through the morning of September 8th. It's not explicit whether or not the AM/FM queries will come down as a result, but I find it hard to imagine that they won't. Mlaffs ( talk) 21:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
At 8am EDT, the planned outage of the entire FCC database should have ended. As of this writing, it has not. No updates from the FCC as to when the FCC Query links will begin working again. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
While catching up on various cleanup and doing new page patrol, I came across this:
KHKY may refer to:
- KHKY (FM), a radio station (92.7 FM) licensed to serve Akiachak, Alaska, United States
- KHKY (defunct), a defunct radio station (92.7 FM) formerly licensed to serve Akiachak, Alaska from 2007 to 2014
Uhh, lessee here. Same call letters, same frequency, same licensee, same community of license. Sorry, but it constitutes an "epic fail" to expect readers to believe that we should treat this ONE STATION as two separate entities merely because they failed to renew their broadcast license one year and obtained a new license the following year. It also validates the point I made which so many of you were eager to blow off, about how we're parroting the FCC's perspective at the expense of reflecting things as readers may possibly see it. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Mlaffs: Thanks! Just added the info from the letters to the page. Lemme know what you think of the article. I know the "Second Launch" section is lacking a little bit, but that's due to lack of addition information. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Speaking of which, I came across an issue with {{ TelevisionTranslators}}. That template was created by Mlaffs by copying code from {{ RadioTranslators}}, so I assume the same issue exists in that template and therefore is of relevance to this discussion. The problem is that entering the FCC-listed community of license into the appropriate field results in a corresponding wikilink, with no way that I could see to modify that. How many articles which use these templates have redlinks to non-existent communities as a result? The template is not used on KJUD, but that station provides a good example. KJUD's translator for the Mendenhall Valley is located on Heintzleman Ridge. The name "Heintzleman Ridge" has become far better known in recent times for the translator location, as B. Frank Heintzleman died in 1965 and therefore the story of how it came to be named for him at around that same time diminishes in collective memory. Still, Heintzleman Ridge is not a community, it's a mountain ridge. We would only be misleading readers if that article were to use that template and contain a redlink to "Heintzleman Ridge, Alaska", such as is already occurring in articles which do use the template. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Some misguided editor has nominated all of the state market templates and some of the market templates as well, for deletion. Discussion can be found here. These are used across all radio station pages, both the market and state market templates. To lose these would unlink thousands of articles and essentially create thousands of orphans. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:42, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
A question for the project. I was having a discussion recently about how much linking there should be from the various "List of radio stations by state" lists, as there's currently no consistency other than the call sign being linked. The opportunities for additional linking would be city of license, licensee, and/or format - some states link none, some states link one or more, and some states link all.
On the Canadian lists by province, all those columns appear to be linked, with the exception that redlinks haven't been created for licensees without articles. On the few Mexican lists by state, only the call sign appears to be linked.
So, any thoughts about where we might want to land? Do people see value in some or all of the other data points being linked where available, and in having consistency across the set? Mlaffs ( talk) 22:12, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
In my work with the uncategorized pages tool, I just came across WSGT, a brand new article which just consists of an infobox with no actual article attached to it. Could somebody who's more knowledgeable about American radio stations than I am take a crack at fixing it? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 18:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
It's been brought to my attention that the code in {{ RadioRebroadcasters}} which generates links to each call sign's station profile on the REC Networks website appears to be dead; it now just generates error messages. The call signs in question are still in their database, as pages turn up if you look for the call sign in question through their search function once you're there — so the problem appears to be with our template code.
When I've done an onsite search, the working URL that shows up in my URL bar is structured differently than the failed URL that shows up if I've clicked on the link in our template, so this does most likely result from a change in REC's URL structure — but what's odd is that this only seems to affect the RadioRebroadcasters template: the {{ RecnetCanada}} template that's used to generate an external link for the parent station's base ELs section still finds the right profile, even though it's looking for the same URL structure that's killing the RadioRebroadcasters link. In the particular example that was shown to me, CBO-FM, all of the RECNet queries in the "rebroadcasters of CBO-FM" table fail, while the "Query the REC's Canadian station database for CBO-FM" link under ELs still gets you to the right base profile — which means that the pass or fail difference boils down solely to which template is being used to generate the link, rather than to any coding differences in either of the templates.
And since I'm not familiar with complex template coding, I can't fix {{ RadioRebroadcasters}} myself to correct for the new URL structure. ({{ RecnetCanada}} is a much simpler template, so I can technically look after that one on my own — but for the moment, I've left it at the old structure so that anybody who helps out on this can actually properly observe the success/failure difference.)
Can anybody assist in getting this fixed? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 14:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
There are vandals on the WGTR page adding their opinions about the morning show & a billboard the station has. They keep reverting my edits. It's an IP address user. Stereorock ( talk) 23:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
The FCC updated it's website today and when doing so, they changed the links for all FCC license documents. The {{ AMQ}} and {{ FMQ}} templates have been updated with the correct links, but the new link is still trickling through the system.
If you come across a 404 error when accessing an FCC link, remove the "www" and add "transition" in it's place and it will work. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
In the paragraph which says:
“ | For articles on stations located in countries which do use government-issued call signs, the official call sign should be used. However, in places with a mix of call signs and station names, such as most of Central and South America and Australian FM Radio, the station name should normally be used, except when the call sign is well-known. | ” |
Please consider adding the Philippines to the places mentioned. Radio stations in the Philippines are not required to identify themselves on-air by their call signs that call signs, especially of most FM stations, became unknown to the listeners. — theenjay36 ( talk) 08:16, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
FYI, there is a discussion here about removing the "Radio stations by frequency" categories, i.e. Category:Radio station 88.1, etc. This discussion began January 3, 2015, so if you want to make your voice heard, please do so ASAP. (There are also similar discussions for American TV stations by channel number, Canadian TV stations by channel number and Mexican TV stations by channel number.) -- Chaswmsday ( talk) 01:01, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello everyone!
You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!
Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.
Harej ( talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
In the past year or so, the FCC has been putting its pre-1980 license index cards online - they were maintained by hand using a typewriter dating back to the 1920s
These are an invaluable resource for researching history - for example, the article for KWKA mentions the station was started by Norm Petty, but doesn't cite a source.
Confirms that fact, as well as the date the station was licensed, and pre-1980 ownership changes 24.74.37.142 ( talk) 17:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
New
User:Trapezanidis 1453 has been creating a number of these, probably translating from Greek Wikipedia. It might be useful for someone from this project to assist him with infoboxes, cats, notability for broadcasters and English. I have left a note on his talk page suggesting the same. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 16:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC).
I suggest this page should be moved to WBRN-FM, per FCC.-- John123521 ( Talk- Contib.) RA 14:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
That move has gone ahead, after some hickups, and I'm going to suggest a tweak to the naming conventions to make it easier next time.
It seems to me that, in the case of radio stations that are legally obliged to use a particular callsign, when this callsign changes (as in this case) the article should be immediately elligible to move to the new callsign. I think that's both the letter and the intention of Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio Stations#Modifying article titles for stations that change their call signs ( see here for a permalink to the current version at the date of this comment). The only problem is, that's not currently linked to from WP:AT and so has no status as a topic-specific naming convention.
I think it should be recognised as an official naming convention. The change of official callsign has implications that mean it's reasonable to assume that the new callsign is almost instantly in common use.
So it's an unusual and very interesting topic area, and possibly has implications in other areas as well. It's a clear case I think, and might well be helpful as an example in untangling more complex cases in other topic areas.
But for now, just making future RMs that much simpler would justify some work on getting official consensus-based acceptance of this article naming convention. These callsign changes are quite common, so the investment will be quickly repaid.
Comments? Andrewa ( talk) 01:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
With the number of AM to FM migrating stations in Mexico in recent years, the by-state navboxes need serious updating.
While I'm working on improving station article stubs in general (with such standard features as cited powers, concessionaire/permitholder names and {{
mexico-inf}}
), the infoboxes need help. The
Federal Telecommunications Institute lists 21 FMs in Aguascalientes. Our {{
Aguascalientes Radio}}
template shows 9.
It's easy to help! Just ensure every FM you see here is listed in the appropriate state radio template. The IFT sorts stations by state, and the abbreviations should be straightforward, so you don't even really need to know Spanish! (While some AMs need to be removed, the IFT removes so many of them from their lists while they are still on that I'm not touching them.)
This would be really helpful in the development of potential future station articles and in updating the navboxes to reflect the sheer quantity of recent FM sign-ons in Mexico. Raymie ( t • c) 07:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if it'll show up on the article alerts or not, but just in case - wanted to highlight a discussion happening here for a series of requested moves I've submitted. The suggestion is to rename the various templates for college radio stations in each state so that they're named consistently with all the various format-by-state templates. I don't actually think this will end up being controversial, but since the change affects 40-odd templates, better safe than sorry. Posting here since this is the audience most likely to care. Mlaffs ( talk) 02:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
If you have noticed that the FCC link on the {{ FM station data}}, {{ AM station data}}, or {{ LPFM station data}} templates is not working, don't panic. The link is not broken. The FCC website has been down since late on Friday and as of this post remains so. It will probably remain that way until sometime tomorrow, it is the Federal Government after all.
The Radio-Locator and Arbitron links continue to work. If you do need basic information concerning a radio station, try the Radio-Locator link. There, you will get a Google Maps link for the tower location, tower height and power information (from the FCC file), along with a coverage area map. I wouldn't completely trust the format information, as that isn't always up-to-date, try the Arbitron link for that. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Per this, the FCC has a scheduled outage of their databases upcoming on the evening of September 2nd through the morning of September 8th. It's not explicit whether or not the AM/FM queries will come down as a result, but I find it hard to imagine that they won't. Mlaffs ( talk) 21:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
At 8am EDT, the planned outage of the entire FCC database should have ended. As of this writing, it has not. No updates from the FCC as to when the FCC Query links will begin working again. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
While catching up on various cleanup and doing new page patrol, I came across this:
KHKY may refer to:
- KHKY (FM), a radio station (92.7 FM) licensed to serve Akiachak, Alaska, United States
- KHKY (defunct), a defunct radio station (92.7 FM) formerly licensed to serve Akiachak, Alaska from 2007 to 2014
Uhh, lessee here. Same call letters, same frequency, same licensee, same community of license. Sorry, but it constitutes an "epic fail" to expect readers to believe that we should treat this ONE STATION as two separate entities merely because they failed to renew their broadcast license one year and obtained a new license the following year. It also validates the point I made which so many of you were eager to blow off, about how we're parroting the FCC's perspective at the expense of reflecting things as readers may possibly see it. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Mlaffs: Thanks! Just added the info from the letters to the page. Lemme know what you think of the article. I know the "Second Launch" section is lacking a little bit, but that's due to lack of addition information. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Speaking of which, I came across an issue with {{ TelevisionTranslators}}. That template was created by Mlaffs by copying code from {{ RadioTranslators}}, so I assume the same issue exists in that template and therefore is of relevance to this discussion. The problem is that entering the FCC-listed community of license into the appropriate field results in a corresponding wikilink, with no way that I could see to modify that. How many articles which use these templates have redlinks to non-existent communities as a result? The template is not used on KJUD, but that station provides a good example. KJUD's translator for the Mendenhall Valley is located on Heintzleman Ridge. The name "Heintzleman Ridge" has become far better known in recent times for the translator location, as B. Frank Heintzleman died in 1965 and therefore the story of how it came to be named for him at around that same time diminishes in collective memory. Still, Heintzleman Ridge is not a community, it's a mountain ridge. We would only be misleading readers if that article were to use that template and contain a redlink to "Heintzleman Ridge, Alaska", such as is already occurring in articles which do use the template. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Some misguided editor has nominated all of the state market templates and some of the market templates as well, for deletion. Discussion can be found here. These are used across all radio station pages, both the market and state market templates. To lose these would unlink thousands of articles and essentially create thousands of orphans. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:42, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
A question for the project. I was having a discussion recently about how much linking there should be from the various "List of radio stations by state" lists, as there's currently no consistency other than the call sign being linked. The opportunities for additional linking would be city of license, licensee, and/or format - some states link none, some states link one or more, and some states link all.
On the Canadian lists by province, all those columns appear to be linked, with the exception that redlinks haven't been created for licensees without articles. On the few Mexican lists by state, only the call sign appears to be linked.
So, any thoughts about where we might want to land? Do people see value in some or all of the other data points being linked where available, and in having consistency across the set? Mlaffs ( talk) 22:12, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
In my work with the uncategorized pages tool, I just came across WSGT, a brand new article which just consists of an infobox with no actual article attached to it. Could somebody who's more knowledgeable about American radio stations than I am take a crack at fixing it? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 18:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
It's been brought to my attention that the code in {{ RadioRebroadcasters}} which generates links to each call sign's station profile on the REC Networks website appears to be dead; it now just generates error messages. The call signs in question are still in their database, as pages turn up if you look for the call sign in question through their search function once you're there — so the problem appears to be with our template code.
When I've done an onsite search, the working URL that shows up in my URL bar is structured differently than the failed URL that shows up if I've clicked on the link in our template, so this does most likely result from a change in REC's URL structure — but what's odd is that this only seems to affect the RadioRebroadcasters template: the {{ RecnetCanada}} template that's used to generate an external link for the parent station's base ELs section still finds the right profile, even though it's looking for the same URL structure that's killing the RadioRebroadcasters link. In the particular example that was shown to me, CBO-FM, all of the RECNet queries in the "rebroadcasters of CBO-FM" table fail, while the "Query the REC's Canadian station database for CBO-FM" link under ELs still gets you to the right base profile — which means that the pass or fail difference boils down solely to which template is being used to generate the link, rather than to any coding differences in either of the templates.
And since I'm not familiar with complex template coding, I can't fix {{ RadioRebroadcasters}} myself to correct for the new URL structure. ({{ RecnetCanada}} is a much simpler template, so I can technically look after that one on my own — but for the moment, I've left it at the old structure so that anybody who helps out on this can actually properly observe the success/failure difference.)
Can anybody assist in getting this fixed? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 14:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
There are vandals on the WGTR page adding their opinions about the morning show & a billboard the station has. They keep reverting my edits. It's an IP address user. Stereorock ( talk) 23:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
The FCC updated it's website today and when doing so, they changed the links for all FCC license documents. The {{ AMQ}} and {{ FMQ}} templates have been updated with the correct links, but the new link is still trickling through the system.
If you come across a 404 error when accessing an FCC link, remove the "www" and add "transition" in it's place and it will work. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)