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In an effort to breathe some new life into the project collaboration, I propose we work on Hulk Hogan's article for the next two weeks. This is one of our most important articles, and it could use a lot of work on sourcing. Thoughts? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 15:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
If other projects have taken on some oversight of articles, they've apparently felt that the subjects are of some importance to their projects. It's not our place to say that a given project shouldn't view a person as related to their state (or whatever the case may be). If Georgia says that they consider Hulk Hogan to be under their mandate, then they share in the oversight of the article. We have no business changing that. The projects that have tagged an article are of no importance to anyone outside that particular project. The professional wrestling project has tagged Dennis Rodman's article; nobody from the basketball project, NBA project, Chicago project, etc. has any business removing the tag because they don't view professional wrestling as a major part of Rodman's life. Likewise, the project has not decided to tag Drew Carey's article. While it is conceivable that someone may add a professional wrestling tag, nobody outside the project should remove such a tag. WP:PW decides what articles are under its mandate, and that is not to be taken away by anyone outside the project. Forget about the tags, RadioKAOS. Unless you're a part of WP:Georgia, it doesn't matter, and it's not your place to make decisions about them. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
User:Wrabbjr902 has vandalized Template:WWE personnel on more than one occasion and has violated the 3RR rule. I've already reverted it twice and I even said I wasn't going to edit war with him, but he wants to anyway. He's already been warned by other users, but he blanks his talk page as a response. Can someone please help me? - Keith Okamoto ( talk) 05:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I have logged a request for Peer Review here: Wikipedia:Peer review/La Sombra (wrestler)/archive1 on this guy La Sombra (wrestler), and since it is a wrestling article ya'll would qualify as peers for sure ;-) So if anyone has time, even if it is just 5 minutes, to make suggestions for improvements i would appreciate it. Thanks in advance and i am willing to return the favor to anyone that provides input. MPJ -US 21:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Somebody started a page for Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns as a tag team. There's already a page for them as The Shield. I figured that we should merge the page into The Shield page as, while not named Shield on TV, the group is back together as a tag team. - Keith Okamoto ( talk) 15:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Merge them. Create an aftermath section. Everything they do can be placed into that section until they actually do something significant than random tag team matches.-- Will C 23:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
My take is that they have not done much as a team, should not have an aricle on the two as a team. MPJ -US 00:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree, they don't deserve a separate article and everything should be merged unless they do something significant. LM2000 ( talk) 01:52, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Since they aren't notable as a team yet, the only option is including in the stable or delete the article just mention the stuff on the individual articles. I don't see this team lasting anyway.-- Will C 06:43, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Would someone please check the recent edits. The current problem is that the height and weight in the infobox are broken, but when I tried to find a stable version of the article to revert back to, it was not clear whether to go back a couple of days or a couple of weeks. Johnuniq ( talk) 07:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Please take a look at Draft:List of professional wrestling managers and valets to review it for acceptability into mainspace. If you do not wish to, or know how to do a full AFC review, please simply post your comment to the draft's Talk page. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 16:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Since the project was asked, but did not reply i think it would probably be better to.do something about the article than complain about the approval. Ya'll had a chance to speak up. MPJ -US 01:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello I am writing this to see if there can be a decision made on NXT Champions to WWE Champions in all of the Championship and accomplishment sections of Wrestlers who have won NXT Championships I've noticed a lot of them being listed under WWE but I feel since it is the developmental territory it should be under the proper listing WWE NXT because that is where they have won the Championship, WWE and NXT seem to be two different promotions owned and controlled by the same organization, Florida Championship Wrestling and Ohio Valley Wrestling were both Developmental territory's for WWE and Championships won by wrestlers who worked and won championships there were listed under that promotions name not under WWE so I hope there can be a discussion and decision made on the issue Thank You JMichael22 ( talk) 19:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
WWE promotes NXT as a promotion it holds its separate events from WWE events they have there own championships there own arena it isn't a roster like ECW was its a promotion if a champion like Seth Rollins won the NXT Championship he didn't wrestle or defend it on Raw or Smackdown WWE Main Shows he won defended and lost it in NXT there for you list it under WWE NXT its really simple not hard to think about JMichael22 ( talk) 19:22, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
WWE NXT is a developmental territory for training for wrestlers to wrestle until their are called up to the main roster NXT is the name of the developmental territory a developmental territory is a farm system that allows inexperienced wrestlers to develop their skills and gain in ring experience in smaller, often regional, promotions before they are called up to compete in front of a global/national audience. Generally called farm leagues or developmental territories there for a developmental territory falls under the banner of separate promotion WWE created there own so when a champion wins a title under the WWE it will be listed under WWE and when a wrestler wins a title under NXT its should be listed under WWE NXT as that's the name of the promotion and for those calling NXT a brand WCW, ECW and others are all apart of the WWE brand as they own the rights to all of them but NXT is produced and released as its own promotion their is no way it's considered apart of Main WWE the wrestlers who work in NXT get pushed up to WWE JMichael22 ( talk) 22:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Are the WWE logos all over the NXT product? Yepperdoodles. MPJ -US 23:37, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm currently searching state filings through Florida but it is also possible they chartered in Connecticut. I'm a Paralegal and an Economist, corporate filings and corporate law is annoying to look through to find exactly what something is filed as.-- Will C 11:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
You know this is not a legal argument or what they are ot not, it is about how Wikipedia will list it. So even if it was shown to be a "subsidiary" that really does not sway me, NXT titles should be listed under WWE. Kinda like how NWA titles were listed by the territory and not NWA (with obvious exceptions natch). MPJ -US 16:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Backtracking a bit here, I googled NXT Wrestling using WP:PW/RS, searching for results in 2014 and later. Once you discount all the bogeys, only one mentioned the existence of NXT Wrestling in 2014. Another mentioned that FCW was rebranded to NXT Wrestling but this was done in 2012. The last relevant one pertains to a lawsuit, but the incident being sued on happened in 2009 in FCW, not in 2014 in NXT. So we have a very weak case that NXT Wrestling still exists now separately, as 1) the first source might have still been using the old name and 2) WillC, you haven't turned out any legal proof yet. The case that NXT was absorbed into and within WWE is all over WWE.com. starship .paint ~ KO 05:54, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I see nothing in that link that says NXT is a brand. If that is what makes it a brand, being listed as a tv program (which it is on the network) then I guess we have to make total divas a brand too since it is mentioned directly before NXT.-- Will C 18:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
NXT Titles are NXT titles and WWE Titles are WWE titles if The NXT title was a WWE title it would be named the WWE Championship but instead it's the NXT Championship which makes it a NXT title not WWE JMichael22 ( talk) 21:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I know Will seems to be fighting it out alone for the most part but his argument still makes the most sense to me. LM2000 ( talk) 22:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
It is OR in that WWE says the brand extension is dead and we are trying to say it exists. The term brand can refer to a subsidiary, it does not mean it is part of the brand extension which we effectively know is dead. Yes, WWE lists NXT up there, it appears on the network, why would they not? NXT is still a subsidiary. It is as if you all can't tell what a subsidiary is. A brand is completely part of WWE, it has no separate entity whatsoever. A subsidiary is overseen and partially ran by a company but it is still separate from the rest of the company. NXT hosts shows on its own with WWE oversight. The WWE PPVs are not Raw, Smackdown, and NXT. The PPVs feature the main roster while the NXT events are primarily NXT wrestlers. NXT is a brand of WWE, but it is not a brand extenstion of WWE. It is a subsidiary of WWE thus that makes it a brand. The wrestlers win the titles on NXT promoted events with NXT on the banner. WWE is featured, but they are the NXT Championships, not the WWE NXT Championships.-- Will C 23:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
So I use the word "brand" with its actual meaning, not in the "brand extension" weirdness wwe tried to do. So by that definition NXT is a brand of wwe and while I do appreciate the "then should list wwe Total Divas" as brand comment was probably facetious I would say yes. But since they don't have a championship that is really not relevant to this discussion. Are you denying that Sprite is a brand owned by Coca cola? And if Sprite ever creates a wrestling championship it should be listed under coke ;-), just like if Panda Energy actually promoted wrestling that argument may have a leg to stand on. So is it OR to say that NXT is a "name, term, design, symbol or other feature that distinguishes one seller's product from those of others" that the WWE own and makes money off? MPJ -US 23:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC) Additional: if everyone involved with running the NXT shows are wwe employees how is that "oversight"? S subsidiary can hire people directly, pretty sure every wrestler actually signed to a.contract is signed with WWE, same eith commentators, refrees etc. You know i do see OR going on, stating that NXT is a subsidiary (a corporate term) without sources to back that up? MPJ -US 00:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Same thing, eccept the wwe did not own OVW, so that is not really the same, more like a guy winning the USWA but not actually signed to the USWA. MPJ -US 10:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
File:NXT Wrestling.png <= what is that in the center? WWE logo, was never on ovw Don't think it was on the FCW logo either.
The ECW comparison keeps being made when that doesn't fit the issue. ECW came back in 2006 as a brand. Now in 2005 it was more like a promotion having a reunion show but 06 it was entirely a brand extension under WWE with its own style but its identity was WWE brand extension. It used WWE wrestlers, appeared on WWE PPVs, and we equal to the WWE and WH Championships. NXT is different. It has none of that. It is developmental. The NXT Title is on level at best with the U.S. Title but not really. The NXT events are sole events known as NXT Takeover, not WWE Takeover. ECW was never meant to be a separate promotion, it wasn't founded again it just was a marketing term for WWE shows. NXT actually was founded as a promotion.-- Will C 04:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, lets use that logic. OVW featuring Bradshaw, CM Punk, Ken Kennedy, The Prototype, Leviathan, Brock Lesnar, and such names as Paul Heyman, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and Kane. NXT is still a farm territory. Owens dropped the title during that feud with Cena. It wasn't about NXT, it was about bringing Steen up to the main roster.-- Will C 14:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
We've already went over what a brand is, did you not pay attention? It is a brand of WWE like Sprite is a brand of Coke. We don't know if he means brand extension. Also, when exactly does he say that in the video because I didn't find it? FCW, OVW, and DSW were not owned but they were entirely ran by WWE, promoted with WWE, and used WWE rings. Your WWE Performance Center houses NXT per ref number one. Even WWE is saying it is a developmental program, not a main roster program. Titles are still won on NXT promoted shows. We list wrestlers winning titles on Raw and SD in bio and tag team articles because they still won them in specific places.-- Will C 20:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
" minor league/developmental brand" - Not main roster then. WWE Titles are WWE Titles. Developmental are developmental. List them under where they were. NWA Titles are defended in NWA Promotions, titles are listed under where they were won. NJPW, TNA, WCW, etc. WWE made deals with other companies yes, but those deals included making them entirely in house. OVW was not run by someone else. It was operated by WWE management. Ross, Cornette, and Heyman all booked OVW. NXT is a subsidiary, that is what a brand is. Powerade is a Coke brand, not Coke. NoS is a brand of Coke, not Coke. You watch a commercial for one of these do you go, Coke? No.-- Will C 02:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that the Observer updated their website, and some (or many) old links were broken. Hope archive.org still has them (or the Observer should fix their website)! starship .paint ~ KO 08:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Is everyone cool with Lex Luger as the next collaboration? He was mentioned by several people as a good candidate. Nikki♥ 311 01:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello, wrestling editors. I am the director of the featured list process and choose most of the lists that appear on the Main Page in the today's featured list section. While looking through our roster of FLs for lists to run in the future, I noticed List of celebrities involved with WrestleMania, which I think is really interesting. I think that Main Page readers would really enjoy this article, and I don't recall us featuring a WWE-related list yet. However, it is an older FL and could stand to have a few things cleaned up. There are some entries without any references, the lead is short on citations, and some of the table formatting could use accessibility updates (row and column scopes in particular). It's not the worst FL we have, but the uncited content and other things are discouraging me from picking it. Knowing that some editors here have done FL work before, I come to you with a proposal: if work can be done to add references and update the table formatting, I'll choose this list to make a Main Page appearance, most likely in November. If any of you are looking for a project that is a bit different from your normal editing, please consider taking this on. Giants2008 ( Talk) 19:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm asking about the NXT section on the List of WWE personnel page. I was thinking that we can split it into two subsections, one for those who appear on WWE NXT and the other for the NXT house shows. The reason I'm asking is because on the Unassigned personnel section there's some that have "Wrestling on NXT" and others that have "Wrestling on NXT house shows". Can we spilt it or keep it as is? - Keith Okamoto ( talk) 20:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
This user has done some vandalism/Sockpuppetry on List of WWE personnel and Template:WWE personnel. He has moved Emma, Eva Marie and Zack Ryder to NXT, moved Damien Sandow to Unassigned personnel and moved Stone Cold Steve Austin to Ambassadors. I can't talk to him because he wipes out his talkpage. If you try to restore it, he will revert it back. We need to do something.- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 23:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi. If you don't know, Matt Hardy vacated the TNA World title. So, TNA booked a World Title Series, which were taped long time ago (in July 2015). If the winner of the world title series were crowned in July, what does it mean? How affected EC3 and Hardy's reigns? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 12:10, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
I understand this could be kind of contentious seeing as it's a violent sport and certain parties involved in it would want to keep such things quiet. But should the infobox have a field for cause of death? Most articles infoboxes have that field. It would only make sense to add it to the infobox here. I've also proposed this addition to the NFL project, for those that are in both. Cra sh Underride 05:44, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
death_cause
parameter.
Prefall 08:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC)Should a retirement period be subtracted when talking about a wrestler's overall career length? Say a guy competes from 1980–2005, with a five-year retirement period from 1990–1995. Did he have a 25-year career, or a 20-year one? Cheers. DoubleYouSeaDoubleYou ( talk) 07:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I have given the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship page an overhaul and turned the separate list of champions into a redirect towards it. I was wondering if someone more familiar with the pro wrestling project on wikipedia could take a quick look at it, as it's the first article on the subject matter I've had much involvement with and I was hoping to take it to FLC in the future, so any help would be useful. Thanks in advance for anyone taking a gander. GRAPPLE X 11:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Discussion here. I want to move Lina Fanene to Nia Jax, but I want to discuss it first so we can have consensus. Should we or shouldn't we move it to Nia Jax?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 15:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I just want to flag for the group that we have an unsafe image present on an article - specifically File:Mickie James vs Tessa Blanchard.jpg on Mickie James contains a nip slip. Tabercil ( talk) 01:15, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
The reason this is a non-issue is it has already been discussed countless times. At one point I do believe that @ TrueCRaysball: was blocked or involved in a similar situation. Wikipedia does not censor. Trying to remove, delete, or hide the image is against policy last I checked. I'm no expert on the matter but this really is a non-issue.-- Will C 22:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Again. Pixel the nipple. End of the problem. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Is it truly a bad angle? Not really. It shows her wrestling and applying a chinlock. A good image for the in wrestling section hands down. It is a clear image where you can see who is involved without having to try. I think this image is getting the shakedown because of the close but no cigar nip slip. Honestly, it should be placed in the in wrestling section. There is no policy against using it in that section or using it at all.-- Will C 08:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Should we start the pages for The Mechanics (professional wrestling), Scott Dawson (wrestler) and Dash Wilder since they won the NXT Tag Team Championship last night?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 16:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I've been seeing IP users turning the WWE United States Championship into the Mex-America Championship because of what Alberto Del Rio said on an episode of SmackDown. I believe the page needs protection until the matter dies down.-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 01:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
So Crash i guess i needed to pull out my sarcastic font now? But thank you for the chuckle. MPJ -US 12:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if there's interest but Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GuilhermeRV/WWE TLC: Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2011 relates to a userspace draft of the matches and times (all unsourced) for various WWE wrestling events in table forms. I don't know if that's appropriate or if there's interest in keeping those pages (more likely moving them to draftspace or something). -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi. One of your members reverted an edit I made to List of professional wrestling promotions. I'm not arguing with the revert but I am curious why a section on Australia isn't allowed on the list. The Mexican section has the same number of promotions so shouldn't that be moved to the "Other section"? And how many promotions does a country need to justify having its own section? It'd be helpful to have a guideline so this doesn't happen to other editors in future. Thanks. 72.74.196.235 ( talk) 23:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
There is an issue over on the ECW Title. Apparently PowerSlam magazine says that WWE no longer views the title as a world title, which WWE have not made any mention of the such. I don't find PowerSlam reliable nor do I think it has the power to dictate what is a world title and what is not. That is left up to WWE to decide in this case.-- Will C 00:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Pros | Cons |
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Kane and Taker were called World Champs together. | Chavo was in the Royal Rumble for a future World title shot |
CM Punk had a feud with Kane over whether he would cash in his World title shot against him. | They gave Mark Henry a silver belt |
Tommy Dreamer considered himself a 2-time ECW World Champ. | Christian and Matt Hardy cut a promo about never winning a World title. |
Christian cut a promo about being upset how Edge never considered him for the Rumble shot | The Rumble winners did not consider Chavo or Christian. |
Some of those cons I think can be talked away pretty easily. Chavo in the Rumble isn't really an issue. He can be a double champion like RVD. When Ziggler held the Money in the Bank he discussed winning the rumble, then cashing in to win one of the championships so he could unify the titles at Mania. Didn't really hurt the title, the lack of explanation hurt the situation. Never understood why the silver belt issue was a thing. The attitude era belt wasn't even gold, it was black, blue, and reddish. Hardy/Cage promo could be discussing not having won the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) since WWE is so unclear about that. Rumble winners not considering Chavo and Cage was more because of storyline. Edge wanted revenge on Jericho. Cena wanted the WWE Title back. When there wasn't a blood feud going on they considered the title. See Taker's win. All the rumble wins afterwards had some purpose. Cena wanted Orton, Orton wanted to beat the McMahons, Edge wanted Jericho, etc. They deactivated the title before another chance to see when Del Rio won in 2011.-- Will C 23:39, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be merged into the main article? There are no independent sources and merging seems better than having a bad standalone article. Mdtemp ( talk) 19:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
This user is altering the title reigns by replacing the actual win date during tape delay to those when the titles were won on television. I've asked him why he was doing that, but he erased it instead and only said "Your opinion". Can someone help?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 00:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Consensus was established long time ago. We use the date when a wrestler wins a title, not when th victory is aired.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 12:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I've always thought we should go by air date with WWE titles. But I know I'm in the extreme minority on that so I never say anything. I mean take the afforementioned Swagger WHC reign. He won at a SmackDown taping on March 30th and that's what we list. But WWE's official title history page doesn't recognize the reign until the win aired in the U.S. on April 2nd. I personally don't like this inconsistency. But I also feel I have a snowball's chance in hell of changing consensus. So whatever. True CRaysball | #RaysUp 19:19, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm wondering if this is going to get really messy very shortly. Supposedly, the currently airing episodes of Impact Wrestling, which focus on a tournament to crown a new TNA World Heavyweight Champion following Matt Hardy's vacating the title were supposedly taped back in the mid summer (late July, I believe). According to scuttlebutt, that includes the final, with the crowning of the new champ. So when does that reign start? Taping day? There was already a recognized champ at the time (and he continued to be so recognized after the tapings), so we may be up s--t's creek with our usual approach. food for thought. oknazevad ( talk) 20:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Current opinions are 4 for using air dates and 4 users for using tape date. Would also like to point out that the users for using air dates have been much more polite in this thread. Doesn't effect the possible consensus, but hopefully encourages those rude users to behave more appropriately Funkatastic ( talk) 23:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Here are my arguments. 1) We show FACTS. First fact, A wrestler becomes a champion when he won the match. Second fact, the match is aired a few days later. However, the wrestler We put both facts with reliable sources. 2) All of this are In Universe stuff. In TNA World, EC3 won the title on July and TJ Perkins is two times X Division champion. However, in the real world, he won the title on June and Pekins never won the X Division title in 2009. Sources like Solie's or wrestling titles (reliable sources) recogniced June. PWInsider, PWTorch and others also reported champions when the wresrler wins the title, not when TNA decides to air. No matter TNA says, we aren't TNA website. EC3 won the title on June. 3) The wrestler is carrying the title. Right now, The Mechanics were presented in a House Show as the NXT Champions. Their title victory wasn't aired yet, but WWE presented them as champions. 4) Alberto Del Rio defeated Big Show at SmackDown. However, WWE announced his victory that same day. 5)TNA problem. Take a look on WCW Tag team title. The Freebirds has a -6 reign. Why? Because they lost the title before they win it. For a few days, WCW had 2 tag teams as the champions, Doom (their reign ended on February 24) and the Steiners (their reign started on February 18). As Paint said, isn't our problem if TNA decides to mess around with their titles and crown two wrestlers as World Champion at the same time, we reflect facts. IF a wrestler won the title in July, it's simple. TNA had two champions, (like CM Punk and John Cena) TNA crowned a second champion while EC3 was the champion. And the mysterious champion holds the title since July. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Do you know what the tie breaker should be? History, this has been the accepted approach since title history articles.were created. And i have yet to hear a logical, sound argument for ignoring facts instead of TNA or WWE fiction (call it kayfabe or whatever you like). MPJ -US 21:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Reading through the comments i actually do not see an argument made for WHY the fictional date should be pushed over the factual date. What WWE choses to acknowledge is at times at odds with facts, this is an encylopedia, neutral, factual, not a vessel for WWE or TNA kayfabe, next the James Storm article will refer to "15 years in the indies". Following the Funktastic logic that is what the article should state. Oh and Kane.... was never a dentist and so on. Should an encylopedia only reflect the storyline only? And the WWE is wildly inconsistent on this front, going by facts we are.able to.be consisten. And why should 1 or two feds dictate format? CMLL shows are usually on tv a week or two after they happen, but they use the actual dates, 99% of all title changes are acknowledged on the day it happened. MPJ -US 21:13, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Hey, @ Funkatastic: how about those policies that you have completely glossed over and ignored that basically makes your argument mute and the fact of any change you desire happening mute as well?-- Will C 04:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, why is my definition is mute so important to everyone? I used it in the way I chose that befit my expertise. Not going to be able to change the definition of the word. Y'all are arguing point D when I'm on point A. Back to subject.-- Will C 08:35, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Problem with that is I did and y'all don't understand it. Before it was me explaining what a subsidiary is, now I have to define words for y'all. Getting sad.-- Will C 15:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Found the following potential WP:NOTNEWS violation in the lead of his article:
On September 23, 2015, Tank Abbott made controversial comments on his podcast stating " I will fight any woman on this earth for free " " If I win, which is gonna happen, you have to make me a sandwich. " If you win, I'll give you $100,000. " The comments were made when Abbott stated that boxer, Floyd Mayweather, Jr would have no trouble in defeating UFC women's bantamweight champion Ronda Rousey in a no holds barred fight.
Hmmm...is he trying to become the next Andy Kaufman or something? Maybe he could recruit Rousey to perform a reenactment of the Lawler/Kaufman deal. Naw, scratch that, I don't believe that " I'm from Huntington Beach" would work quite as well. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 11:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
IP:2.218.47.194 is edit warring on the grounds that they staunchly believe Bret is not one of the greatest of all time, but rather "one of the great pro wrestlers of the mid 1990s". Perhaps someone with more time and a faster 'Net connection could take a look at it. I tried to go on a ref hunt, but my connection is too slow on weekends. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:22, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi folks, I've nominated our article for Nick Bockwinkel at RD. I don't know if it will make it through, but it's worth a shot. Could someone help to fix up the page when the have a chance? Also, this source says he was born in St. Louis, Missouri. But apparently WWE.com says he was born in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Could someone look into that? Thanks, Scorpion 0422 15:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I've WP:PRODed this article. Please have a look and lets get this over with as quickly as possible. Cra sh Underride 07:20, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Crash Underride: regarding your recent revert, if the "in wrestling" bullet is only for what you term an "official" nickname, why do we simply say "nicknames" without prefixing it with official?
What qualifies a nickname as "official" anyway? Have we defined such a status' requirements? Kinda seems made-up Who has to say it? An announcer? A WWE.com article? Themself? Why would a nickname given from a fellow superstar be less notable?
If this was a question of notability, perhaps in terms of frequency, I could see a requirement of a nickname having to be repeated over time, but in that case we would need at least 2 references for every nickname. A lot of articles don't even list 1 for some nicknames. Like "Red Arrow" for Neville lacks a source and I notice you did not remove that. Triple H did use it repeatedly to describe him during the Green Arrow teamup with Stephen Amell though. Ranze ( talk) 00:11, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I figured there was no chance in hell I was ever getting close to that championship again until Captain Morgan over here opened his big fat stupid mouth!
@ Crash Underride: thanks for the support, have added Cap Morgan, now to hope and see if it stands or gets reverted again. Regarding FOTRS what if there was media coverage about Breeze being called this outside of the aforecited two video segments:
Finn Balor might have won the NXT Championship in Tokyo, but I am the face of the rising sun.
What I like to call it is confidence because I am slowly becoming the face of the rising sun, thanks to Mister Thunder Liger, so you know what? Domo Ari...Gorgeous.
I'm not sure how notable any of these are but it got a lot of repeating:
He said he's going to become the face of the rising sun..."
A lot of self-referential nicknames may be obscure, forgettable, and not make waves, but this appears to have made waves and gotten repeated uniquely phrased mentions from NXT reviewers at the time. Ranze ( talk) 01:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I want to start this discussion long time ago. I'll give my POV, without any specific case. For example, I don't like the Captain Morgan nickname. When we're talking about promos, it's too hard. Captain Morgan feels like a joke, not like a nickname. In wrestling, wrestlers include jokes or personal attacks in their promos, but I don't see it as nicknames. Same for commentator, journalist or WWE.com writers. For example, Luke Harper. He had a nickname "the bizarre". Source, a WWE video "X is fighting the bizarre Luke Harper". I see that as an adjetive, not a nickname. Señf-referential... Breeze presented himslef in SmackDown under 3 nicknames (They call me The Gorgeous One, The King of Cuteville, and The Sultan of Selfies). Wrestlers include a lot of big word in their promos (I'm the Man, I'm the Face, I'm the Sensation...) I think, if we include promo jokes (Rollins as Captain Morgan, Taker as Obi Wan Kenobi), random adjetives (the bizarre Luke Harper)... we'll have an endless nickname section. --
HHH Pedrigree (
talk) 13:41, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
My proposal for nicknames. 1, a source about nicknames. Like OWOW, Cagematch... where we can find a section about Nicknames. 2, the promotion. A source with the promotion names a wrestler under a nickname (for example: The Deviant Michael Hutter returns Home) 3, articles or bios...for sure WWE, TNA articles'll contain nicknames. WHAT TO AVOID: Journalist, commentators, wrestlers promos... (except the promotion includes them into sources). -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 01:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
The problem with dismissing "joke" nicknames based on them originating from a personal attack promo is that this is exactly how "Fruity Pebbles" originated, and WWE has explicitly referred to this as a nickname. Your concern about numbers building up could I guess be dealt with by requiring a nickname to be mentioned more than once? Only problem there is you could have people go around deleting very established nicknames just because we haven't cited 2 sources for it. Did Cena use "Wendy's Girl" more than once? Did Edge use "Billy Billy Bitchcakes" once or more?
Requiring infrequently edited encyclopedias (these are very wiki-ish to begin with, no?) to mention something seems too high a resource. If there's direct evidence from the programs that the names are used repeatedly, it should be enough. The idea of there being an "official nickname" is oxymoronic, the whole point of nicknames is that they aren't the official names.
The unreliable sources issue LM2000 brings up, isn't that pretty much to avoid dirt-sheet predictions and unverified rumors? Basic facts like when a match occurred or who won the match or nicknames introduced in dialogue are all pretty reliably covered even in otherwise unreliable sites. Ranze ( talk) 03:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
I propose that Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose be merged into The Shield (professional wrestling) and ask for feedback and support for the merge.
Please see my reasons and the discussion so far here. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heytherehowsitgoin ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
He's a 15-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion
John Cena is a 15-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion
Randy Orton is a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion.
WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins battles 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton in a Steel Cage Match in which the RKO will be banned.
WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins defeated 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton in a Steel Cage Match in which the RKO was banned.
Yet no matter what he threw at Orton , the 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion would not give in.
Sheamus is now a four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is incredible. This is absolutely stunning. Fourteen thousand plus are stunned in Atlanta.
The Celtic Warrior grabbed the title — his fourth time bearing WWE's richest prize
Ten-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson just added another incredible feat to his resumé
They cite the chart at http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship as grounds to do so, which is OR. They blatently ignore the declaration of merged lineages, which as the above sources prove, means that holding the World Heavyweight Championship also counts as a former reign as WWE World Heavyweight Champion.
These sources are being ignored and the reverters are not addressing this or how they keep removing evidence which contradicts them while failing to add reliable sources to support the claims they introduce. They do WP:SYNTH and then falsely accuse detractors of doing so.
People keep removing these sources from pages, can this WikiProject please help prevent the vandalism? 174.92.132.81 ( talk) 16:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Well now that that unjust ban is over, since I was simply editing on a tablet I don't log in due to technical handicaps (not to pretend to be someone else), do you have any interest in actually addressing the arguments I brought up here @ LM2000: ? Your above response seems like an ad hominem attack, like "pay no attention to these words, they were written by someone who was trying to engage in mischief!"
The reliable sources above have been removed from the page. Why are we opting to ignore them when we have no reliable sources stating otherwise?
I would like to negotiate with you some kind of recognition of what they represent. If we are not going to conclude "Sheamus is a 4-time WWE Champion" could we at least acknowledge that Cole, Sheamus and WWE.com staffers are all calling him this? Just as we should acknowledge Cena is being called 15-time and Orton is being called 12-time and Rock is being called 10-time?
I'm not opposed to 'teaching the controversy' but I think if we are merely going to call them 12of15-time, 8of12time, 8of10time and 3of4time, these conclusions should be reliably sourced.
That means specifically citing a source which counts 12/8/8/3 not simply linking to http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship and being all "see I counted this" because that is treating Wikipedians like reliable experts on interpreting the data, something we shouldn't do. If someone counts a number of reigns on that page and that count leads them to a conclusion and that conclusion is contraicted by a reliable source then we should defer to that reliable source and re-examine our conclusions.
It seems kind of absurd that WWE.com's "title history" page is being used as a source to support these lower numbers when WWE.com on other pages is reaching other conclusions.
WWE.com is interpreting that chart differently than Wikipedians reading it and writing these lower numbers are. They are the authority here, so we should be calling Cena 15-time, Orton 12-time, Rock 10-time and Sheamus 4-time just like they are. The former World title reigns are consistently being counted as former WWE World Heavyweight Championship reigns. It is not only WWE/WWF reigns being counted.
While it is true that they do not appear on the chart on the 'title history page', that page does not say anything about it being conclusive, and it even says that the lineages were merged. By the counts they give us, the lineage-merge clearly means these World reigns count. Ranze ( talk) 23:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
This not being a new issue of debate doesn't mean we should just considered it settled forever, we should always be analyzing this issue. The WWE has officially stated that they merged the lineages. That they keep a separate chart for the World Heavyweight Championship is irrelevant, it is a lineage merged with that of the WWEWHW, WWE.com actually says this and have made statements to that effect, calling him a 4-time WWEWHW champ. I agree that it IS about how things are said and marketed: we should describe these titles and how they work as WWE does, not make up our own more convenient rules about it. Ranze ( talk) 04:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Can someone do something about this page? Editors keep adding that they "were a tag team" and that they disbanded in June when Kidd got hurt. I keep undoing the edits with the summary that just because a member gets injured doesn't mean they've disbanded. Besides, there's been no mention of them splitting up ever made. Cra sh Underride 06:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I am curious to know why this project still uses the arbitrary "importance" category when classifying its articles. It seems like most of the other projects have dropped it. 166.172.189.110 ( talk) 15:06, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
I can probably help expand that to FL next month. Sourcing is the issue.-- Will C 09:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Could someone that is familiar with Japanese wrestling (more so than I am) please come to my talk page and explain to me the what that style is? How it compares to lucha libre, the American style and the New Japan style? I've seen it on the AJPW article every time I've been there and I have no clue what it is. Thanks. Cra sh Underride 16:11, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
The latest revert in this article is weird. Is Jeff Jarret's cameo of a disguised belt, that wasn't even acknowledged by its its name ever, more notable that the inaugural and record champion? If that is considered "international consideration" wouldn't Mesias' use of "El Mega Triple Campeón de AAA" as a ring name abroad be "international consideration" too (at least he made reference to the name)? What about any of the other guys that had more than one reign, or at least more than one defense? 166.172.188.89 ( talk) 14:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
It can not stand alone as a normal article. It is an FL. It passed the Fl criteria. The project is wrong for it was designed as a list, it was agreed upon to be a list, and it passed the criteria. This is already a consensus. It is a list. Choosing to turn it into a standard article that can't pass GA is against policy standards. Degrading the quality of an article on a moment's notice just for a whim is illogical. An article does not have to have the word list in it to be a list. It is a table of champions with a summary of the important history. That is exactly what a title list has always been. This was expanded by two editors who have a long history of Fl and article expansion, myself and @ MPJ-DK:-- Will C 02:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
I guess I'll ask here but is this project against tagging Drafts for some reason? I tagged Draft talk:Naomi & Tamina (Professional wrestling) and other wrestling articles so that they appear in Category:Draft-Class Professional wrestling articles and MFD and other places but they've be removed under the claim that the project doesn't want them if they've been rejected by AFC (even if there's a chance they could be worked on). A lack of tagging has been an issue in the past when it comes to notifications for this project in particular. I'm asking because a number of projects have been incorporating the draftspace with their requested articles and building out drafts there but I'd suggest this project turn off draft-class if it's actually against it for whatever reason. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 01:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Articlez, Draft talk:TASW Cruiserweight Championship, Draft talk:List of Characters in WWE 2k16, Draft talk:Naomi & Tamina (Professional wrestling) and finally Creating Draft:WWE 2K16 which he deleted himself. Really these are such crap.i already wasted too much time on them. MPJ -US *
I have nominated The League of Nations (professional wrestling) for AfD. The discussion can be found here. True CRaysball | #RaysUp 20:34, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Discovered this through the DYK section of the main page. Left a note on the talk page about Lawler's heart attack and how that episode of Raw continued without any commentary during the matches. Someone responded on a positive note about mentioning it in that article. While I've read any number of things about that episode, I'm clueless about what might constitute the best sources for such a thing in a non-wrestling article. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Speaking of Jerry Lawler: right this minute, I'm listening to a radio broadcast of a prior edition of the "Yukon Jamboree", a Koyukon music festival held in Galena, Alaska (if you at all care, Athabaskan fiddle describes this subgenre). The first song I heard was "Bad News", written by J. D. Loudermilk and recorded by Johnny Cash, among others, including Jerry Lawler. The other day, for whatever reason, I was reminded of hearing Lawler do this song many decades ago. Then, lo and behold, there it is on the radio, albeit not Lawler's version. While Googling Lawler's music career just a minute ago, I see the following comment from a discogs.com user: "Truly the reason I collect records". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:24, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey there needs some more eyes on Professional wrestling. Some users are adding "technical knockout" and "technical submission" when there is no such decision that has ever been recorded. It's either knockout or submission (or ref stoppage). One user that I've warned claimed in edit summary that the whole thing is unsourced, leading to him thinking he can just add anything he wants. So what do we do? Maybe we need to source the proven decisions but honestly isn't that a waste of time? 101.182.142.136 ( talk) 00:34, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Guys, what the f? The anon is trying to stop vandalism, why are you giving him such a hard time? He formatted his request exactly the same way many of us have done such over the years. What, just because he's an IP he's the one who needs to be scrutinized and treated like shit? Seriously? A 5 second glance at the recent edit history of professional wrestling (the article which the IP specifically asked about and linked) shows that a single user keeps trying to reinsert original research using justifications about the section being unsourced (and so claiming that that user, who is not an anon, can add what ever he wants) despite being reverted multiple times by multiple users. It's obvious who is in the wrong here, so why does the guy who is actually doing the right thing here get crapped on? oknazevad ( talk) 06:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Yawn... -- wL< speak· check> 17:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure how many people know we have a pro wrestling project Clean up bot listing that shows which pro wrestling articles are tagged with what issues? Go to the page, sort alphabetically and you can see that we have a lot of articles listed (1591 or 23% of all artices) which includes 6 FAs, 8 FLs and 78 GA articles and a slwe of lower rated articles. I have been working on this list for a couple of weeks, bringing the percentage down sigificantly, but I am believe that those that promoted the articles to FA/FL/GA have a vested interest in fixing the article issues, after all if they remain they may affect their FA/FL/GA status. And hey if you feel like helping clean up articles within your area of interest that's even better. MPJ -US 07:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi. A new nitpick question. In the combined reigns, If a wrestler won a title under two ringnames (for example, Rocky Maivia/The Rock or Keji Mutho/The Great Muta) we include both ringnames in the combined reigns section. However, in WWE Tag Team Championship and Intercontinental, an IP and Aleuuhhmsc delete ringnames only to one (Johhny Nitro/John Morrison to John Morrison). IC and WWE Tag Team are FL, so I saw other FL (IWGP Heavyweight, WCW World Tag Team, WWE Cruiserweight, IWGP Junir Heavyweight). All these FL include the combined reigns with the combined names. So... who's right? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Include all ring names. All the notable information should be included.-- Will C 04:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Apparently, User:Mega Z090 doesn't realize that WWE's name is WWE and not World Wrestling Entertainment anymore. So they keep reverting edits on the List of professional wrestling promotions list so it reads incorrectly "World Wrestling Entertainment". While that is the company's legal business name they have been WWE in all other aspects since 2011, therefore we've been listing them as such. I'm in full support of a temporary ban or some form of sanction because this use refuses to stop. <sarcasm>They're always right, we're always wrong, etc.</sarcasm> Crash Under ride 00:16, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi. One more question. In the NXT Championship, we have a discussion about WHEN we include the table "combined reigns". @ Wrestlinglover: and @ Aleuuhhmsc: say we should include the table after the second champion overall. According to WillC, " The only discussion took place at FL, where all notable information is to be included. That includes all statistics regarding a championship" (when Will appears, he'll include more information about his POV). @ Mega Z090: and I say we should include the table when the first two times champion is crowned, so we have reigns to combine. I say "Without a multi-times champion, the table doesn't include new information, only repeats the same information we have in the main table" because "Click in "days held " and all champions will be ordered". Also, is a practice people makes over the years ( Divas title, NJPW IC Title, ROH TV Title and [ [6]]) So... what do you think, wikiproject? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
If there are no repeat champions then the sorting functionality covers it. Redundant if there are no combined reigns to calculate etc. MPJ -US 01:45, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
? If there are no multi champs then just sort by length. Would we really add a whole table to it a different default sort order? MPJ -US 21:19, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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What I did was use your logic against you. I didn't take it to absurdity levels. The argument against the table is "You can use the sorting function to get the information." My argument is "You can look at the table and get multiple reigns from a champion and the amount of days the champion held the belt." The exact same argument. Use the previous table to get the information. My basis for keeping it as is, is because all information is included. Some users have no idea that the tables are sorted. Some aren't even sortable. Look at the WWE Title lists. They've included multiple rowspan columns which messes up all sorting. The argument that the previous table gives the information is incorrect because the tables do not operate accurately, effectively, and efficiently.-- Will C 07:11, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
The point, combined reigns. All wrestlers of the NXT title are one time champion. Can you explain to me what in the hell are you combining? Ribbon said better "hen there's only one-time champs, there's nothing to combine." Nothing. And many users agree, the table it's pointless without a multi-times champion. How many times I have to explain the puropose of the combined reigns table? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:48, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
-After the second reign overall.
-After the first two times champion -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:57, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to move Talk:Stan Frazier to Talk:Uncle Elmer if there is already content on the target page? I'm assuming there's a way to merge them, but I don't know how. Is this an administrator job? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Let me tell you something, Jimmy Valiant. This user is going to go through you just like Ex-Lax through a widow woman! |
As I've been accused in this forum of "only caring about old school wrestling" or words to that effect, I came up with an old school wrestling userbox. At this point, it's not exactly finished. For one, I'm not sure where to insert the gratuitous link to Lawler's article. For another, the use of "Ex-Lax" could be construed as being an improper use of a trade name, even though that's Lawler's exact quote. For still another, this image would be a better one to use, but the file description page says that explicit attribution is required, and I can't see how that could be accommodated in a userbox. Nightscream, any thoughts on that? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 06:25, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I've started a vote on the talk page of NXT Championship regarding the combined reigns table. This also has an effect on the NXT Women's Championship at least. Could everyone pop over and voice your thoughts, please? I'm done debating the issue, and I think a vote is the only way to settle it (maybe - we'll see). Mega Z090 ( talk) 07:29, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Mega, a consensus is not established by 2 people. It is established by many. Sorry I didn't think a consensus was going to be established with someone who has been under review and not liking to discuss constructive ideas. Again, consensus is not a vote. Unless they are directly involved in a solution, their statements are pointless. Look above, the previous discussion has already died. This one will problem die as well since no one is actually discussing the information. They are just repeating the same stuff and stating policies they have no idea what they are about. Like you quoting NPOV of view and having no idea you are.-- Will C 02:52, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, that was anticlimatic.-- Will C 01:30, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Editor User:MadMax years ago created lists of wrestling things. Are these considered useful here? Could they be merged into something here? Else I'll list them for deletion.
I figured the work shouldn't go to a complete waste. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 21:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I was cleaning up and fixing the combined reigns table for the List of ROH World Champions and @ Browndog91: over here says that combined defenses goes last on the table and it has been that way for years. However, if you look at all the other tables with defenses, combined days always goes last, so I want to make sure I am correct here... Aleuuhhmsc ( talk) 02:34, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I just placed it in that article because it needed to be. It is different in most of them that I did. I switched back and forth between styles.-- Will C 00:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Professional wrestling, All I am trying to do is help. I am doing my best to make pages about professional wrestling as best as they can. I spent a few hours editing all sorts of championship lists to make them look neat and tidy, and to make them look the same. Hell, one of the goals of the project says, "to establish a uniform style for wrestler biographies, wrestling events and wrestling promotions," and that is what I am trying to do, but maybe this is what I get for my efforts. Maybe it's just because I'm somewhat new at this. So sorry if my editing doesn't cut it for all of you, I'm just trying to help. Thanks. Aleuuhhmsc ( talk) 17:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I know for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship (the primary world championship in terms of reading and editing), the row is colored gray when the title is vacated. I have been looking at other title listings and formatting the table as such when the title is vacated, but some people are reverting my edits. Someone explain why and/or if my logic is correct or explain why my edits are being reverted... Aleuuhhmsc ( talk) 18:11, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Where could we see this "current format" in its complete state (background colors, alignments, etc.)? It's so fucking tiring to have different editors come up and make different edits and all claim to follow a format. Just give us something we can point to and say THAT'S how it should be. This should be on the style guide. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (ZOOM) 19:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
This draft has come to AfC and none of us has a clue about wrestling, so it would be helpful for us AfC'rs and the creators of this article to get a "first opinion" assessment of it. It's been kind of lingering since none of us feels competent to handle it. Can someone pop in and help? Thanks, LaMona ( talk) 21:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
For whatever reasons Shaun and Steve Simpson currently sit at articles Shaun Cohen and Steve Cohen (wrestler) when their actual last names are Simpson. Their dad used Cohen as his ring name and someone mistakenly thought that was his real name or something. I have requested a move for both articles, I believe it's uncontroversial but figured I'd put it here for everyone to see. MPJ -US 02:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
This wrestling journalist discovered his article and would like to discuss it: [7]. I left a note on his IP talk page linking to WP:AUTO#IFEXIST, but an email might be in order as well. Does someone want to handle this? Please keep WP:Hazing in mind, and maybe link to Wikipedia:Notable person survival kit if it becomes necessary. FourViolas ( talk) 23:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Don't know how long this has been, but all links to slam.canoe.ca are now apparently dead. However, the links can be fixed easily by changing them to slam.canoe.com. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (ZOOM) 13:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
The Balls Mahoney article needs maintenance done in the indy section. I've tagged the section that needs work. I'd do it, but I'm busy catching up on Arrow and The Flash. Crash Under ride 03:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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In an effort to breathe some new life into the project collaboration, I propose we work on Hulk Hogan's article for the next two weeks. This is one of our most important articles, and it could use a lot of work on sourcing. Thoughts? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 15:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
If other projects have taken on some oversight of articles, they've apparently felt that the subjects are of some importance to their projects. It's not our place to say that a given project shouldn't view a person as related to their state (or whatever the case may be). If Georgia says that they consider Hulk Hogan to be under their mandate, then they share in the oversight of the article. We have no business changing that. The projects that have tagged an article are of no importance to anyone outside that particular project. The professional wrestling project has tagged Dennis Rodman's article; nobody from the basketball project, NBA project, Chicago project, etc. has any business removing the tag because they don't view professional wrestling as a major part of Rodman's life. Likewise, the project has not decided to tag Drew Carey's article. While it is conceivable that someone may add a professional wrestling tag, nobody outside the project should remove such a tag. WP:PW decides what articles are under its mandate, and that is not to be taken away by anyone outside the project. Forget about the tags, RadioKAOS. Unless you're a part of WP:Georgia, it doesn't matter, and it's not your place to make decisions about them. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
User:Wrabbjr902 has vandalized Template:WWE personnel on more than one occasion and has violated the 3RR rule. I've already reverted it twice and I even said I wasn't going to edit war with him, but he wants to anyway. He's already been warned by other users, but he blanks his talk page as a response. Can someone please help me? - Keith Okamoto ( talk) 05:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I have logged a request for Peer Review here: Wikipedia:Peer review/La Sombra (wrestler)/archive1 on this guy La Sombra (wrestler), and since it is a wrestling article ya'll would qualify as peers for sure ;-) So if anyone has time, even if it is just 5 minutes, to make suggestions for improvements i would appreciate it. Thanks in advance and i am willing to return the favor to anyone that provides input. MPJ -US 21:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Somebody started a page for Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns as a tag team. There's already a page for them as The Shield. I figured that we should merge the page into The Shield page as, while not named Shield on TV, the group is back together as a tag team. - Keith Okamoto ( talk) 15:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Merge them. Create an aftermath section. Everything they do can be placed into that section until they actually do something significant than random tag team matches.-- Will C 23:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
My take is that they have not done much as a team, should not have an aricle on the two as a team. MPJ -US 00:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree, they don't deserve a separate article and everything should be merged unless they do something significant. LM2000 ( talk) 01:52, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Since they aren't notable as a team yet, the only option is including in the stable or delete the article just mention the stuff on the individual articles. I don't see this team lasting anyway.-- Will C 06:43, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Would someone please check the recent edits. The current problem is that the height and weight in the infobox are broken, but when I tried to find a stable version of the article to revert back to, it was not clear whether to go back a couple of days or a couple of weeks. Johnuniq ( talk) 07:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Please take a look at Draft:List of professional wrestling managers and valets to review it for acceptability into mainspace. If you do not wish to, or know how to do a full AFC review, please simply post your comment to the draft's Talk page. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 16:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Since the project was asked, but did not reply i think it would probably be better to.do something about the article than complain about the approval. Ya'll had a chance to speak up. MPJ -US 01:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello I am writing this to see if there can be a decision made on NXT Champions to WWE Champions in all of the Championship and accomplishment sections of Wrestlers who have won NXT Championships I've noticed a lot of them being listed under WWE but I feel since it is the developmental territory it should be under the proper listing WWE NXT because that is where they have won the Championship, WWE and NXT seem to be two different promotions owned and controlled by the same organization, Florida Championship Wrestling and Ohio Valley Wrestling were both Developmental territory's for WWE and Championships won by wrestlers who worked and won championships there were listed under that promotions name not under WWE so I hope there can be a discussion and decision made on the issue Thank You JMichael22 ( talk) 19:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
WWE promotes NXT as a promotion it holds its separate events from WWE events they have there own championships there own arena it isn't a roster like ECW was its a promotion if a champion like Seth Rollins won the NXT Championship he didn't wrestle or defend it on Raw or Smackdown WWE Main Shows he won defended and lost it in NXT there for you list it under WWE NXT its really simple not hard to think about JMichael22 ( talk) 19:22, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
WWE NXT is a developmental territory for training for wrestlers to wrestle until their are called up to the main roster NXT is the name of the developmental territory a developmental territory is a farm system that allows inexperienced wrestlers to develop their skills and gain in ring experience in smaller, often regional, promotions before they are called up to compete in front of a global/national audience. Generally called farm leagues or developmental territories there for a developmental territory falls under the banner of separate promotion WWE created there own so when a champion wins a title under the WWE it will be listed under WWE and when a wrestler wins a title under NXT its should be listed under WWE NXT as that's the name of the promotion and for those calling NXT a brand WCW, ECW and others are all apart of the WWE brand as they own the rights to all of them but NXT is produced and released as its own promotion their is no way it's considered apart of Main WWE the wrestlers who work in NXT get pushed up to WWE JMichael22 ( talk) 22:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Are the WWE logos all over the NXT product? Yepperdoodles. MPJ -US 23:37, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm currently searching state filings through Florida but it is also possible they chartered in Connecticut. I'm a Paralegal and an Economist, corporate filings and corporate law is annoying to look through to find exactly what something is filed as.-- Will C 11:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
You know this is not a legal argument or what they are ot not, it is about how Wikipedia will list it. So even if it was shown to be a "subsidiary" that really does not sway me, NXT titles should be listed under WWE. Kinda like how NWA titles were listed by the territory and not NWA (with obvious exceptions natch). MPJ -US 16:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Backtracking a bit here, I googled NXT Wrestling using WP:PW/RS, searching for results in 2014 and later. Once you discount all the bogeys, only one mentioned the existence of NXT Wrestling in 2014. Another mentioned that FCW was rebranded to NXT Wrestling but this was done in 2012. The last relevant one pertains to a lawsuit, but the incident being sued on happened in 2009 in FCW, not in 2014 in NXT. So we have a very weak case that NXT Wrestling still exists now separately, as 1) the first source might have still been using the old name and 2) WillC, you haven't turned out any legal proof yet. The case that NXT was absorbed into and within WWE is all over WWE.com. starship .paint ~ KO 05:54, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I see nothing in that link that says NXT is a brand. If that is what makes it a brand, being listed as a tv program (which it is on the network) then I guess we have to make total divas a brand too since it is mentioned directly before NXT.-- Will C 18:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
NXT Titles are NXT titles and WWE Titles are WWE titles if The NXT title was a WWE title it would be named the WWE Championship but instead it's the NXT Championship which makes it a NXT title not WWE JMichael22 ( talk) 21:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I know Will seems to be fighting it out alone for the most part but his argument still makes the most sense to me. LM2000 ( talk) 22:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
It is OR in that WWE says the brand extension is dead and we are trying to say it exists. The term brand can refer to a subsidiary, it does not mean it is part of the brand extension which we effectively know is dead. Yes, WWE lists NXT up there, it appears on the network, why would they not? NXT is still a subsidiary. It is as if you all can't tell what a subsidiary is. A brand is completely part of WWE, it has no separate entity whatsoever. A subsidiary is overseen and partially ran by a company but it is still separate from the rest of the company. NXT hosts shows on its own with WWE oversight. The WWE PPVs are not Raw, Smackdown, and NXT. The PPVs feature the main roster while the NXT events are primarily NXT wrestlers. NXT is a brand of WWE, but it is not a brand extenstion of WWE. It is a subsidiary of WWE thus that makes it a brand. The wrestlers win the titles on NXT promoted events with NXT on the banner. WWE is featured, but they are the NXT Championships, not the WWE NXT Championships.-- Will C 23:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
So I use the word "brand" with its actual meaning, not in the "brand extension" weirdness wwe tried to do. So by that definition NXT is a brand of wwe and while I do appreciate the "then should list wwe Total Divas" as brand comment was probably facetious I would say yes. But since they don't have a championship that is really not relevant to this discussion. Are you denying that Sprite is a brand owned by Coca cola? And if Sprite ever creates a wrestling championship it should be listed under coke ;-), just like if Panda Energy actually promoted wrestling that argument may have a leg to stand on. So is it OR to say that NXT is a "name, term, design, symbol or other feature that distinguishes one seller's product from those of others" that the WWE own and makes money off? MPJ -US 23:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC) Additional: if everyone involved with running the NXT shows are wwe employees how is that "oversight"? S subsidiary can hire people directly, pretty sure every wrestler actually signed to a.contract is signed with WWE, same eith commentators, refrees etc. You know i do see OR going on, stating that NXT is a subsidiary (a corporate term) without sources to back that up? MPJ -US 00:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Same thing, eccept the wwe did not own OVW, so that is not really the same, more like a guy winning the USWA but not actually signed to the USWA. MPJ -US 10:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
File:NXT Wrestling.png <= what is that in the center? WWE logo, was never on ovw Don't think it was on the FCW logo either.
The ECW comparison keeps being made when that doesn't fit the issue. ECW came back in 2006 as a brand. Now in 2005 it was more like a promotion having a reunion show but 06 it was entirely a brand extension under WWE with its own style but its identity was WWE brand extension. It used WWE wrestlers, appeared on WWE PPVs, and we equal to the WWE and WH Championships. NXT is different. It has none of that. It is developmental. The NXT Title is on level at best with the U.S. Title but not really. The NXT events are sole events known as NXT Takeover, not WWE Takeover. ECW was never meant to be a separate promotion, it wasn't founded again it just was a marketing term for WWE shows. NXT actually was founded as a promotion.-- Will C 04:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, lets use that logic. OVW featuring Bradshaw, CM Punk, Ken Kennedy, The Prototype, Leviathan, Brock Lesnar, and such names as Paul Heyman, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and Kane. NXT is still a farm territory. Owens dropped the title during that feud with Cena. It wasn't about NXT, it was about bringing Steen up to the main roster.-- Will C 14:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
We've already went over what a brand is, did you not pay attention? It is a brand of WWE like Sprite is a brand of Coke. We don't know if he means brand extension. Also, when exactly does he say that in the video because I didn't find it? FCW, OVW, and DSW were not owned but they were entirely ran by WWE, promoted with WWE, and used WWE rings. Your WWE Performance Center houses NXT per ref number one. Even WWE is saying it is a developmental program, not a main roster program. Titles are still won on NXT promoted shows. We list wrestlers winning titles on Raw and SD in bio and tag team articles because they still won them in specific places.-- Will C 20:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
" minor league/developmental brand" - Not main roster then. WWE Titles are WWE Titles. Developmental are developmental. List them under where they were. NWA Titles are defended in NWA Promotions, titles are listed under where they were won. NJPW, TNA, WCW, etc. WWE made deals with other companies yes, but those deals included making them entirely in house. OVW was not run by someone else. It was operated by WWE management. Ross, Cornette, and Heyman all booked OVW. NXT is a subsidiary, that is what a brand is. Powerade is a Coke brand, not Coke. NoS is a brand of Coke, not Coke. You watch a commercial for one of these do you go, Coke? No.-- Will C 02:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that the Observer updated their website, and some (or many) old links were broken. Hope archive.org still has them (or the Observer should fix their website)! starship .paint ~ KO 08:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Is everyone cool with Lex Luger as the next collaboration? He was mentioned by several people as a good candidate. Nikki♥ 311 01:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello, wrestling editors. I am the director of the featured list process and choose most of the lists that appear on the Main Page in the today's featured list section. While looking through our roster of FLs for lists to run in the future, I noticed List of celebrities involved with WrestleMania, which I think is really interesting. I think that Main Page readers would really enjoy this article, and I don't recall us featuring a WWE-related list yet. However, it is an older FL and could stand to have a few things cleaned up. There are some entries without any references, the lead is short on citations, and some of the table formatting could use accessibility updates (row and column scopes in particular). It's not the worst FL we have, but the uncited content and other things are discouraging me from picking it. Knowing that some editors here have done FL work before, I come to you with a proposal: if work can be done to add references and update the table formatting, I'll choose this list to make a Main Page appearance, most likely in November. If any of you are looking for a project that is a bit different from your normal editing, please consider taking this on. Giants2008 ( Talk) 19:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm asking about the NXT section on the List of WWE personnel page. I was thinking that we can split it into two subsections, one for those who appear on WWE NXT and the other for the NXT house shows. The reason I'm asking is because on the Unassigned personnel section there's some that have "Wrestling on NXT" and others that have "Wrestling on NXT house shows". Can we spilt it or keep it as is? - Keith Okamoto ( talk) 20:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
This user has done some vandalism/Sockpuppetry on List of WWE personnel and Template:WWE personnel. He has moved Emma, Eva Marie and Zack Ryder to NXT, moved Damien Sandow to Unassigned personnel and moved Stone Cold Steve Austin to Ambassadors. I can't talk to him because he wipes out his talkpage. If you try to restore it, he will revert it back. We need to do something.- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 23:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi. If you don't know, Matt Hardy vacated the TNA World title. So, TNA booked a World Title Series, which were taped long time ago (in July 2015). If the winner of the world title series were crowned in July, what does it mean? How affected EC3 and Hardy's reigns? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 12:10, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
I understand this could be kind of contentious seeing as it's a violent sport and certain parties involved in it would want to keep such things quiet. But should the infobox have a field for cause of death? Most articles infoboxes have that field. It would only make sense to add it to the infobox here. I've also proposed this addition to the NFL project, for those that are in both. Cra sh Underride 05:44, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
death_cause
parameter.
Prefall 08:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC)Should a retirement period be subtracted when talking about a wrestler's overall career length? Say a guy competes from 1980–2005, with a five-year retirement period from 1990–1995. Did he have a 25-year career, or a 20-year one? Cheers. DoubleYouSeaDoubleYou ( talk) 07:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I have given the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship page an overhaul and turned the separate list of champions into a redirect towards it. I was wondering if someone more familiar with the pro wrestling project on wikipedia could take a quick look at it, as it's the first article on the subject matter I've had much involvement with and I was hoping to take it to FLC in the future, so any help would be useful. Thanks in advance for anyone taking a gander. GRAPPLE X 11:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Discussion here. I want to move Lina Fanene to Nia Jax, but I want to discuss it first so we can have consensus. Should we or shouldn't we move it to Nia Jax?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 15:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I just want to flag for the group that we have an unsafe image present on an article - specifically File:Mickie James vs Tessa Blanchard.jpg on Mickie James contains a nip slip. Tabercil ( talk) 01:15, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
The reason this is a non-issue is it has already been discussed countless times. At one point I do believe that @ TrueCRaysball: was blocked or involved in a similar situation. Wikipedia does not censor. Trying to remove, delete, or hide the image is against policy last I checked. I'm no expert on the matter but this really is a non-issue.-- Will C 22:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Again. Pixel the nipple. End of the problem. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Is it truly a bad angle? Not really. It shows her wrestling and applying a chinlock. A good image for the in wrestling section hands down. It is a clear image where you can see who is involved without having to try. I think this image is getting the shakedown because of the close but no cigar nip slip. Honestly, it should be placed in the in wrestling section. There is no policy against using it in that section or using it at all.-- Will C 08:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Should we start the pages for The Mechanics (professional wrestling), Scott Dawson (wrestler) and Dash Wilder since they won the NXT Tag Team Championship last night?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 16:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I've been seeing IP users turning the WWE United States Championship into the Mex-America Championship because of what Alberto Del Rio said on an episode of SmackDown. I believe the page needs protection until the matter dies down.-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 01:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
So Crash i guess i needed to pull out my sarcastic font now? But thank you for the chuckle. MPJ -US 12:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if there's interest but Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GuilhermeRV/WWE TLC: Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2011 relates to a userspace draft of the matches and times (all unsourced) for various WWE wrestling events in table forms. I don't know if that's appropriate or if there's interest in keeping those pages (more likely moving them to draftspace or something). -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi. One of your members reverted an edit I made to List of professional wrestling promotions. I'm not arguing with the revert but I am curious why a section on Australia isn't allowed on the list. The Mexican section has the same number of promotions so shouldn't that be moved to the "Other section"? And how many promotions does a country need to justify having its own section? It'd be helpful to have a guideline so this doesn't happen to other editors in future. Thanks. 72.74.196.235 ( talk) 23:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
There is an issue over on the ECW Title. Apparently PowerSlam magazine says that WWE no longer views the title as a world title, which WWE have not made any mention of the such. I don't find PowerSlam reliable nor do I think it has the power to dictate what is a world title and what is not. That is left up to WWE to decide in this case.-- Will C 00:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Pros | Cons |
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Kane and Taker were called World Champs together. | Chavo was in the Royal Rumble for a future World title shot |
CM Punk had a feud with Kane over whether he would cash in his World title shot against him. | They gave Mark Henry a silver belt |
Tommy Dreamer considered himself a 2-time ECW World Champ. | Christian and Matt Hardy cut a promo about never winning a World title. |
Christian cut a promo about being upset how Edge never considered him for the Rumble shot | The Rumble winners did not consider Chavo or Christian. |
Some of those cons I think can be talked away pretty easily. Chavo in the Rumble isn't really an issue. He can be a double champion like RVD. When Ziggler held the Money in the Bank he discussed winning the rumble, then cashing in to win one of the championships so he could unify the titles at Mania. Didn't really hurt the title, the lack of explanation hurt the situation. Never understood why the silver belt issue was a thing. The attitude era belt wasn't even gold, it was black, blue, and reddish. Hardy/Cage promo could be discussing not having won the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) since WWE is so unclear about that. Rumble winners not considering Chavo and Cage was more because of storyline. Edge wanted revenge on Jericho. Cena wanted the WWE Title back. When there wasn't a blood feud going on they considered the title. See Taker's win. All the rumble wins afterwards had some purpose. Cena wanted Orton, Orton wanted to beat the McMahons, Edge wanted Jericho, etc. They deactivated the title before another chance to see when Del Rio won in 2011.-- Will C 23:39, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be merged into the main article? There are no independent sources and merging seems better than having a bad standalone article. Mdtemp ( talk) 19:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
This user is altering the title reigns by replacing the actual win date during tape delay to those when the titles were won on television. I've asked him why he was doing that, but he erased it instead and only said "Your opinion". Can someone help?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 00:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Consensus was established long time ago. We use the date when a wrestler wins a title, not when th victory is aired.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 12:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I've always thought we should go by air date with WWE titles. But I know I'm in the extreme minority on that so I never say anything. I mean take the afforementioned Swagger WHC reign. He won at a SmackDown taping on March 30th and that's what we list. But WWE's official title history page doesn't recognize the reign until the win aired in the U.S. on April 2nd. I personally don't like this inconsistency. But I also feel I have a snowball's chance in hell of changing consensus. So whatever. True CRaysball | #RaysUp 19:19, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm wondering if this is going to get really messy very shortly. Supposedly, the currently airing episodes of Impact Wrestling, which focus on a tournament to crown a new TNA World Heavyweight Champion following Matt Hardy's vacating the title were supposedly taped back in the mid summer (late July, I believe). According to scuttlebutt, that includes the final, with the crowning of the new champ. So when does that reign start? Taping day? There was already a recognized champ at the time (and he continued to be so recognized after the tapings), so we may be up s--t's creek with our usual approach. food for thought. oknazevad ( talk) 20:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Current opinions are 4 for using air dates and 4 users for using tape date. Would also like to point out that the users for using air dates have been much more polite in this thread. Doesn't effect the possible consensus, but hopefully encourages those rude users to behave more appropriately Funkatastic ( talk) 23:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Here are my arguments. 1) We show FACTS. First fact, A wrestler becomes a champion when he won the match. Second fact, the match is aired a few days later. However, the wrestler We put both facts with reliable sources. 2) All of this are In Universe stuff. In TNA World, EC3 won the title on July and TJ Perkins is two times X Division champion. However, in the real world, he won the title on June and Pekins never won the X Division title in 2009. Sources like Solie's or wrestling titles (reliable sources) recogniced June. PWInsider, PWTorch and others also reported champions when the wresrler wins the title, not when TNA decides to air. No matter TNA says, we aren't TNA website. EC3 won the title on June. 3) The wrestler is carrying the title. Right now, The Mechanics were presented in a House Show as the NXT Champions. Their title victory wasn't aired yet, but WWE presented them as champions. 4) Alberto Del Rio defeated Big Show at SmackDown. However, WWE announced his victory that same day. 5)TNA problem. Take a look on WCW Tag team title. The Freebirds has a -6 reign. Why? Because they lost the title before they win it. For a few days, WCW had 2 tag teams as the champions, Doom (their reign ended on February 24) and the Steiners (their reign started on February 18). As Paint said, isn't our problem if TNA decides to mess around with their titles and crown two wrestlers as World Champion at the same time, we reflect facts. IF a wrestler won the title in July, it's simple. TNA had two champions, (like CM Punk and John Cena) TNA crowned a second champion while EC3 was the champion. And the mysterious champion holds the title since July. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Do you know what the tie breaker should be? History, this has been the accepted approach since title history articles.were created. And i have yet to hear a logical, sound argument for ignoring facts instead of TNA or WWE fiction (call it kayfabe or whatever you like). MPJ -US 21:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Reading through the comments i actually do not see an argument made for WHY the fictional date should be pushed over the factual date. What WWE choses to acknowledge is at times at odds with facts, this is an encylopedia, neutral, factual, not a vessel for WWE or TNA kayfabe, next the James Storm article will refer to "15 years in the indies". Following the Funktastic logic that is what the article should state. Oh and Kane.... was never a dentist and so on. Should an encylopedia only reflect the storyline only? And the WWE is wildly inconsistent on this front, going by facts we are.able to.be consisten. And why should 1 or two feds dictate format? CMLL shows are usually on tv a week or two after they happen, but they use the actual dates, 99% of all title changes are acknowledged on the day it happened. MPJ -US 21:13, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Hey, @ Funkatastic: how about those policies that you have completely glossed over and ignored that basically makes your argument mute and the fact of any change you desire happening mute as well?-- Will C 04:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, why is my definition is mute so important to everyone? I used it in the way I chose that befit my expertise. Not going to be able to change the definition of the word. Y'all are arguing point D when I'm on point A. Back to subject.-- Will C 08:35, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Problem with that is I did and y'all don't understand it. Before it was me explaining what a subsidiary is, now I have to define words for y'all. Getting sad.-- Will C 15:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Found the following potential WP:NOTNEWS violation in the lead of his article:
On September 23, 2015, Tank Abbott made controversial comments on his podcast stating " I will fight any woman on this earth for free " " If I win, which is gonna happen, you have to make me a sandwich. " If you win, I'll give you $100,000. " The comments were made when Abbott stated that boxer, Floyd Mayweather, Jr would have no trouble in defeating UFC women's bantamweight champion Ronda Rousey in a no holds barred fight.
Hmmm...is he trying to become the next Andy Kaufman or something? Maybe he could recruit Rousey to perform a reenactment of the Lawler/Kaufman deal. Naw, scratch that, I don't believe that " I'm from Huntington Beach" would work quite as well. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 11:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
IP:2.218.47.194 is edit warring on the grounds that they staunchly believe Bret is not one of the greatest of all time, but rather "one of the great pro wrestlers of the mid 1990s". Perhaps someone with more time and a faster 'Net connection could take a look at it. I tried to go on a ref hunt, but my connection is too slow on weekends. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:22, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi folks, I've nominated our article for Nick Bockwinkel at RD. I don't know if it will make it through, but it's worth a shot. Could someone help to fix up the page when the have a chance? Also, this source says he was born in St. Louis, Missouri. But apparently WWE.com says he was born in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Could someone look into that? Thanks, Scorpion 0422 15:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I've WP:PRODed this article. Please have a look and lets get this over with as quickly as possible. Cra sh Underride 07:20, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Crash Underride: regarding your recent revert, if the "in wrestling" bullet is only for what you term an "official" nickname, why do we simply say "nicknames" without prefixing it with official?
What qualifies a nickname as "official" anyway? Have we defined such a status' requirements? Kinda seems made-up Who has to say it? An announcer? A WWE.com article? Themself? Why would a nickname given from a fellow superstar be less notable?
If this was a question of notability, perhaps in terms of frequency, I could see a requirement of a nickname having to be repeated over time, but in that case we would need at least 2 references for every nickname. A lot of articles don't even list 1 for some nicknames. Like "Red Arrow" for Neville lacks a source and I notice you did not remove that. Triple H did use it repeatedly to describe him during the Green Arrow teamup with Stephen Amell though. Ranze ( talk) 00:11, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I figured there was no chance in hell I was ever getting close to that championship again until Captain Morgan over here opened his big fat stupid mouth!
@ Crash Underride: thanks for the support, have added Cap Morgan, now to hope and see if it stands or gets reverted again. Regarding FOTRS what if there was media coverage about Breeze being called this outside of the aforecited two video segments:
Finn Balor might have won the NXT Championship in Tokyo, but I am the face of the rising sun.
What I like to call it is confidence because I am slowly becoming the face of the rising sun, thanks to Mister Thunder Liger, so you know what? Domo Ari...Gorgeous.
I'm not sure how notable any of these are but it got a lot of repeating:
He said he's going to become the face of the rising sun..."
A lot of self-referential nicknames may be obscure, forgettable, and not make waves, but this appears to have made waves and gotten repeated uniquely phrased mentions from NXT reviewers at the time. Ranze ( talk) 01:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I want to start this discussion long time ago. I'll give my POV, without any specific case. For example, I don't like the Captain Morgan nickname. When we're talking about promos, it's too hard. Captain Morgan feels like a joke, not like a nickname. In wrestling, wrestlers include jokes or personal attacks in their promos, but I don't see it as nicknames. Same for commentator, journalist or WWE.com writers. For example, Luke Harper. He had a nickname "the bizarre". Source, a WWE video "X is fighting the bizarre Luke Harper". I see that as an adjetive, not a nickname. Señf-referential... Breeze presented himslef in SmackDown under 3 nicknames (They call me The Gorgeous One, The King of Cuteville, and The Sultan of Selfies). Wrestlers include a lot of big word in their promos (I'm the Man, I'm the Face, I'm the Sensation...) I think, if we include promo jokes (Rollins as Captain Morgan, Taker as Obi Wan Kenobi), random adjetives (the bizarre Luke Harper)... we'll have an endless nickname section. --
HHH Pedrigree (
talk) 13:41, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
My proposal for nicknames. 1, a source about nicknames. Like OWOW, Cagematch... where we can find a section about Nicknames. 2, the promotion. A source with the promotion names a wrestler under a nickname (for example: The Deviant Michael Hutter returns Home) 3, articles or bios...for sure WWE, TNA articles'll contain nicknames. WHAT TO AVOID: Journalist, commentators, wrestlers promos... (except the promotion includes them into sources). -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 01:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
The problem with dismissing "joke" nicknames based on them originating from a personal attack promo is that this is exactly how "Fruity Pebbles" originated, and WWE has explicitly referred to this as a nickname. Your concern about numbers building up could I guess be dealt with by requiring a nickname to be mentioned more than once? Only problem there is you could have people go around deleting very established nicknames just because we haven't cited 2 sources for it. Did Cena use "Wendy's Girl" more than once? Did Edge use "Billy Billy Bitchcakes" once or more?
Requiring infrequently edited encyclopedias (these are very wiki-ish to begin with, no?) to mention something seems too high a resource. If there's direct evidence from the programs that the names are used repeatedly, it should be enough. The idea of there being an "official nickname" is oxymoronic, the whole point of nicknames is that they aren't the official names.
The unreliable sources issue LM2000 brings up, isn't that pretty much to avoid dirt-sheet predictions and unverified rumors? Basic facts like when a match occurred or who won the match or nicknames introduced in dialogue are all pretty reliably covered even in otherwise unreliable sites. Ranze ( talk) 03:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
I propose that Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose be merged into The Shield (professional wrestling) and ask for feedback and support for the merge.
Please see my reasons and the discussion so far here. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heytherehowsitgoin ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
He's a 15-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion
John Cena is a 15-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion
Randy Orton is a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion.
WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins battles 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton in a Steel Cage Match in which the RKO will be banned.
WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins defeated 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton in a Steel Cage Match in which the RKO was banned.
Yet no matter what he threw at Orton , the 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion would not give in.
Sheamus is now a four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is incredible. This is absolutely stunning. Fourteen thousand plus are stunned in Atlanta.
The Celtic Warrior grabbed the title — his fourth time bearing WWE's richest prize
Ten-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson just added another incredible feat to his resumé
They cite the chart at http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship as grounds to do so, which is OR. They blatently ignore the declaration of merged lineages, which as the above sources prove, means that holding the World Heavyweight Championship also counts as a former reign as WWE World Heavyweight Champion.
These sources are being ignored and the reverters are not addressing this or how they keep removing evidence which contradicts them while failing to add reliable sources to support the claims they introduce. They do WP:SYNTH and then falsely accuse detractors of doing so.
People keep removing these sources from pages, can this WikiProject please help prevent the vandalism? 174.92.132.81 ( talk) 16:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Well now that that unjust ban is over, since I was simply editing on a tablet I don't log in due to technical handicaps (not to pretend to be someone else), do you have any interest in actually addressing the arguments I brought up here @ LM2000: ? Your above response seems like an ad hominem attack, like "pay no attention to these words, they were written by someone who was trying to engage in mischief!"
The reliable sources above have been removed from the page. Why are we opting to ignore them when we have no reliable sources stating otherwise?
I would like to negotiate with you some kind of recognition of what they represent. If we are not going to conclude "Sheamus is a 4-time WWE Champion" could we at least acknowledge that Cole, Sheamus and WWE.com staffers are all calling him this? Just as we should acknowledge Cena is being called 15-time and Orton is being called 12-time and Rock is being called 10-time?
I'm not opposed to 'teaching the controversy' but I think if we are merely going to call them 12of15-time, 8of12time, 8of10time and 3of4time, these conclusions should be reliably sourced.
That means specifically citing a source which counts 12/8/8/3 not simply linking to http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship and being all "see I counted this" because that is treating Wikipedians like reliable experts on interpreting the data, something we shouldn't do. If someone counts a number of reigns on that page and that count leads them to a conclusion and that conclusion is contraicted by a reliable source then we should defer to that reliable source and re-examine our conclusions.
It seems kind of absurd that WWE.com's "title history" page is being used as a source to support these lower numbers when WWE.com on other pages is reaching other conclusions.
WWE.com is interpreting that chart differently than Wikipedians reading it and writing these lower numbers are. They are the authority here, so we should be calling Cena 15-time, Orton 12-time, Rock 10-time and Sheamus 4-time just like they are. The former World title reigns are consistently being counted as former WWE World Heavyweight Championship reigns. It is not only WWE/WWF reigns being counted.
While it is true that they do not appear on the chart on the 'title history page', that page does not say anything about it being conclusive, and it even says that the lineages were merged. By the counts they give us, the lineage-merge clearly means these World reigns count. Ranze ( talk) 23:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
This not being a new issue of debate doesn't mean we should just considered it settled forever, we should always be analyzing this issue. The WWE has officially stated that they merged the lineages. That they keep a separate chart for the World Heavyweight Championship is irrelevant, it is a lineage merged with that of the WWEWHW, WWE.com actually says this and have made statements to that effect, calling him a 4-time WWEWHW champ. I agree that it IS about how things are said and marketed: we should describe these titles and how they work as WWE does, not make up our own more convenient rules about it. Ranze ( talk) 04:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Can someone do something about this page? Editors keep adding that they "were a tag team" and that they disbanded in June when Kidd got hurt. I keep undoing the edits with the summary that just because a member gets injured doesn't mean they've disbanded. Besides, there's been no mention of them splitting up ever made. Cra sh Underride 06:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I am curious to know why this project still uses the arbitrary "importance" category when classifying its articles. It seems like most of the other projects have dropped it. 166.172.189.110 ( talk) 15:06, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
I can probably help expand that to FL next month. Sourcing is the issue.-- Will C 09:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Could someone that is familiar with Japanese wrestling (more so than I am) please come to my talk page and explain to me the what that style is? How it compares to lucha libre, the American style and the New Japan style? I've seen it on the AJPW article every time I've been there and I have no clue what it is. Thanks. Cra sh Underride 16:11, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
The latest revert in this article is weird. Is Jeff Jarret's cameo of a disguised belt, that wasn't even acknowledged by its its name ever, more notable that the inaugural and record champion? If that is considered "international consideration" wouldn't Mesias' use of "El Mega Triple Campeón de AAA" as a ring name abroad be "international consideration" too (at least he made reference to the name)? What about any of the other guys that had more than one reign, or at least more than one defense? 166.172.188.89 ( talk) 14:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
It can not stand alone as a normal article. It is an FL. It passed the Fl criteria. The project is wrong for it was designed as a list, it was agreed upon to be a list, and it passed the criteria. This is already a consensus. It is a list. Choosing to turn it into a standard article that can't pass GA is against policy standards. Degrading the quality of an article on a moment's notice just for a whim is illogical. An article does not have to have the word list in it to be a list. It is a table of champions with a summary of the important history. That is exactly what a title list has always been. This was expanded by two editors who have a long history of Fl and article expansion, myself and @ MPJ-DK:-- Will C 02:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
I guess I'll ask here but is this project against tagging Drafts for some reason? I tagged Draft talk:Naomi & Tamina (Professional wrestling) and other wrestling articles so that they appear in Category:Draft-Class Professional wrestling articles and MFD and other places but they've be removed under the claim that the project doesn't want them if they've been rejected by AFC (even if there's a chance they could be worked on). A lack of tagging has been an issue in the past when it comes to notifications for this project in particular. I'm asking because a number of projects have been incorporating the draftspace with their requested articles and building out drafts there but I'd suggest this project turn off draft-class if it's actually against it for whatever reason. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 01:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Articlez, Draft talk:TASW Cruiserweight Championship, Draft talk:List of Characters in WWE 2k16, Draft talk:Naomi & Tamina (Professional wrestling) and finally Creating Draft:WWE 2K16 which he deleted himself. Really these are such crap.i already wasted too much time on them. MPJ -US *
I have nominated The League of Nations (professional wrestling) for AfD. The discussion can be found here. True CRaysball | #RaysUp 20:34, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Discovered this through the DYK section of the main page. Left a note on the talk page about Lawler's heart attack and how that episode of Raw continued without any commentary during the matches. Someone responded on a positive note about mentioning it in that article. While I've read any number of things about that episode, I'm clueless about what might constitute the best sources for such a thing in a non-wrestling article. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Speaking of Jerry Lawler: right this minute, I'm listening to a radio broadcast of a prior edition of the "Yukon Jamboree", a Koyukon music festival held in Galena, Alaska (if you at all care, Athabaskan fiddle describes this subgenre). The first song I heard was "Bad News", written by J. D. Loudermilk and recorded by Johnny Cash, among others, including Jerry Lawler. The other day, for whatever reason, I was reminded of hearing Lawler do this song many decades ago. Then, lo and behold, there it is on the radio, albeit not Lawler's version. While Googling Lawler's music career just a minute ago, I see the following comment from a discogs.com user: "Truly the reason I collect records". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:24, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey there needs some more eyes on Professional wrestling. Some users are adding "technical knockout" and "technical submission" when there is no such decision that has ever been recorded. It's either knockout or submission (or ref stoppage). One user that I've warned claimed in edit summary that the whole thing is unsourced, leading to him thinking he can just add anything he wants. So what do we do? Maybe we need to source the proven decisions but honestly isn't that a waste of time? 101.182.142.136 ( talk) 00:34, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Guys, what the f? The anon is trying to stop vandalism, why are you giving him such a hard time? He formatted his request exactly the same way many of us have done such over the years. What, just because he's an IP he's the one who needs to be scrutinized and treated like shit? Seriously? A 5 second glance at the recent edit history of professional wrestling (the article which the IP specifically asked about and linked) shows that a single user keeps trying to reinsert original research using justifications about the section being unsourced (and so claiming that that user, who is not an anon, can add what ever he wants) despite being reverted multiple times by multiple users. It's obvious who is in the wrong here, so why does the guy who is actually doing the right thing here get crapped on? oknazevad ( talk) 06:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Yawn... -- wL< speak· check> 17:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure how many people know we have a pro wrestling project Clean up bot listing that shows which pro wrestling articles are tagged with what issues? Go to the page, sort alphabetically and you can see that we have a lot of articles listed (1591 or 23% of all artices) which includes 6 FAs, 8 FLs and 78 GA articles and a slwe of lower rated articles. I have been working on this list for a couple of weeks, bringing the percentage down sigificantly, but I am believe that those that promoted the articles to FA/FL/GA have a vested interest in fixing the article issues, after all if they remain they may affect their FA/FL/GA status. And hey if you feel like helping clean up articles within your area of interest that's even better. MPJ -US 07:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi. A new nitpick question. In the combined reigns, If a wrestler won a title under two ringnames (for example, Rocky Maivia/The Rock or Keji Mutho/The Great Muta) we include both ringnames in the combined reigns section. However, in WWE Tag Team Championship and Intercontinental, an IP and Aleuuhhmsc delete ringnames only to one (Johhny Nitro/John Morrison to John Morrison). IC and WWE Tag Team are FL, so I saw other FL (IWGP Heavyweight, WCW World Tag Team, WWE Cruiserweight, IWGP Junir Heavyweight). All these FL include the combined reigns with the combined names. So... who's right? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Include all ring names. All the notable information should be included.-- Will C 04:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Apparently, User:Mega Z090 doesn't realize that WWE's name is WWE and not World Wrestling Entertainment anymore. So they keep reverting edits on the List of professional wrestling promotions list so it reads incorrectly "World Wrestling Entertainment". While that is the company's legal business name they have been WWE in all other aspects since 2011, therefore we've been listing them as such. I'm in full support of a temporary ban or some form of sanction because this use refuses to stop. <sarcasm>They're always right, we're always wrong, etc.</sarcasm> Crash Under ride 00:16, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi. One more question. In the NXT Championship, we have a discussion about WHEN we include the table "combined reigns". @ Wrestlinglover: and @ Aleuuhhmsc: say we should include the table after the second champion overall. According to WillC, " The only discussion took place at FL, where all notable information is to be included. That includes all statistics regarding a championship" (when Will appears, he'll include more information about his POV). @ Mega Z090: and I say we should include the table when the first two times champion is crowned, so we have reigns to combine. I say "Without a multi-times champion, the table doesn't include new information, only repeats the same information we have in the main table" because "Click in "days held " and all champions will be ordered". Also, is a practice people makes over the years ( Divas title, NJPW IC Title, ROH TV Title and [ [6]]) So... what do you think, wikiproject? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
If there are no repeat champions then the sorting functionality covers it. Redundant if there are no combined reigns to calculate etc. MPJ -US 01:45, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
? If there are no multi champs then just sort by length. Would we really add a whole table to it a different default sort order? MPJ -US 21:19, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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What I did was use your logic against you. I didn't take it to absurdity levels. The argument against the table is "You can use the sorting function to get the information." My argument is "You can look at the table and get multiple reigns from a champion and the amount of days the champion held the belt." The exact same argument. Use the previous table to get the information. My basis for keeping it as is, is because all information is included. Some users have no idea that the tables are sorted. Some aren't even sortable. Look at the WWE Title lists. They've included multiple rowspan columns which messes up all sorting. The argument that the previous table gives the information is incorrect because the tables do not operate accurately, effectively, and efficiently.-- Will C 07:11, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
The point, combined reigns. All wrestlers of the NXT title are one time champion. Can you explain to me what in the hell are you combining? Ribbon said better "hen there's only one-time champs, there's nothing to combine." Nothing. And many users agree, the table it's pointless without a multi-times champion. How many times I have to explain the puropose of the combined reigns table? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:48, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
-After the second reign overall.
-After the first two times champion -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:57, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to move Talk:Stan Frazier to Talk:Uncle Elmer if there is already content on the target page? I'm assuming there's a way to merge them, but I don't know how. Is this an administrator job? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Let me tell you something, Jimmy Valiant. This user is going to go through you just like Ex-Lax through a widow woman! |
As I've been accused in this forum of "only caring about old school wrestling" or words to that effect, I came up with an old school wrestling userbox. At this point, it's not exactly finished. For one, I'm not sure where to insert the gratuitous link to Lawler's article. For another, the use of "Ex-Lax" could be construed as being an improper use of a trade name, even though that's Lawler's exact quote. For still another, this image would be a better one to use, but the file description page says that explicit attribution is required, and I can't see how that could be accommodated in a userbox. Nightscream, any thoughts on that? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 06:25, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I've started a vote on the talk page of NXT Championship regarding the combined reigns table. This also has an effect on the NXT Women's Championship at least. Could everyone pop over and voice your thoughts, please? I'm done debating the issue, and I think a vote is the only way to settle it (maybe - we'll see). Mega Z090 ( talk) 07:29, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Mega, a consensus is not established by 2 people. It is established by many. Sorry I didn't think a consensus was going to be established with someone who has been under review and not liking to discuss constructive ideas. Again, consensus is not a vote. Unless they are directly involved in a solution, their statements are pointless. Look above, the previous discussion has already died. This one will problem die as well since no one is actually discussing the information. They are just repeating the same stuff and stating policies they have no idea what they are about. Like you quoting NPOV of view and having no idea you are.-- Will C 02:52, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, that was anticlimatic.-- Will C 01:30, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Editor User:MadMax years ago created lists of wrestling things. Are these considered useful here? Could they be merged into something here? Else I'll list them for deletion.
I figured the work shouldn't go to a complete waste. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 21:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I was cleaning up and fixing the combined reigns table for the List of ROH World Champions and @ Browndog91: over here says that combined defenses goes last on the table and it has been that way for years. However, if you look at all the other tables with defenses, combined days always goes last, so I want to make sure I am correct here... Aleuuhhmsc ( talk) 02:34, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I just placed it in that article because it needed to be. It is different in most of them that I did. I switched back and forth between styles.-- Will C 00:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Professional wrestling, All I am trying to do is help. I am doing my best to make pages about professional wrestling as best as they can. I spent a few hours editing all sorts of championship lists to make them look neat and tidy, and to make them look the same. Hell, one of the goals of the project says, "to establish a uniform style for wrestler biographies, wrestling events and wrestling promotions," and that is what I am trying to do, but maybe this is what I get for my efforts. Maybe it's just because I'm somewhat new at this. So sorry if my editing doesn't cut it for all of you, I'm just trying to help. Thanks. Aleuuhhmsc ( talk) 17:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I know for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship (the primary world championship in terms of reading and editing), the row is colored gray when the title is vacated. I have been looking at other title listings and formatting the table as such when the title is vacated, but some people are reverting my edits. Someone explain why and/or if my logic is correct or explain why my edits are being reverted... Aleuuhhmsc ( talk) 18:11, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Where could we see this "current format" in its complete state (background colors, alignments, etc.)? It's so fucking tiring to have different editors come up and make different edits and all claim to follow a format. Just give us something we can point to and say THAT'S how it should be. This should be on the style guide. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (ZOOM) 19:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
This draft has come to AfC and none of us has a clue about wrestling, so it would be helpful for us AfC'rs and the creators of this article to get a "first opinion" assessment of it. It's been kind of lingering since none of us feels competent to handle it. Can someone pop in and help? Thanks, LaMona ( talk) 21:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
For whatever reasons Shaun and Steve Simpson currently sit at articles Shaun Cohen and Steve Cohen (wrestler) when their actual last names are Simpson. Their dad used Cohen as his ring name and someone mistakenly thought that was his real name or something. I have requested a move for both articles, I believe it's uncontroversial but figured I'd put it here for everyone to see. MPJ -US 02:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
This wrestling journalist discovered his article and would like to discuss it: [7]. I left a note on his IP talk page linking to WP:AUTO#IFEXIST, but an email might be in order as well. Does someone want to handle this? Please keep WP:Hazing in mind, and maybe link to Wikipedia:Notable person survival kit if it becomes necessary. FourViolas ( talk) 23:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Don't know how long this has been, but all links to slam.canoe.ca are now apparently dead. However, the links can be fixed easily by changing them to slam.canoe.com. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (ZOOM) 13:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
The Balls Mahoney article needs maintenance done in the indy section. I've tagged the section that needs work. I'd do it, but I'm busy catching up on Arrow and The Flash. Crash Under ride 03:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)