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There is an article up for this team, which is perfectly fine, because they have been teaming together for quite a while now, but the article needs a LOT of work. It was a very inexperienced user who created the page, and only refers to info in the last few months. Can anyone help with the extensive cleanup this page requires?-- Sentinel boy 08:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I have started a new WikiProject along with Kingfisherswift called Wikipedia:WikiProject Music of wrestling. It is the Pro Wrestling WikiProjects new descendant Wikiproject. It is aimed around organizing and starting articles related to WWE albums/theme music for PPV's and entrance musics. Hope everyone joins! Moe ε 17:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Me and the soon to be departing (hopefully not) Moe Epsilon are setting up a project to deal with the music of this great business. It will be Wikipedia:WikiProject Music of wrestling. Join if you are remotely interested - every little helps! Thanks. Kingfisherswift 17:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Anon. users keep reverting the WWE alumni page back to it's original format. Because of this, I feel that page needs to be protected like the WWE roster page is. -- JFred 22:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm currently working on the article and using the RoH page as a model. Jsst a heads up to expect many changes in the article in the umpcoming days. -- Smoltz 02:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to know where the info on D-X versus the spirit squad came from on the 2006 vengence page, as well John Cena versus Edge. It may need a citation. Classicrockguy May 27 12:31 EST
I'd like to request a lock on the Mysterio article cause of people constantly re-adding a seperate section to his article dealing with his squash match loss to the great Khali in detail and adding speculation he will face Kane next week. Please put up a lock my edits removing this are being reverted every 10 or so minutes! Night Bringer May 13th 19:22 GMT +10
I was lead to belive the her real name was Victoria Anne Gruner, but there no info on this on any website,The best I found was Torrie Anne Gruner or Torrie Anne Wilson-Gruner. I just want to get a consenus on this from you guys. BionicWilliam 03:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Accordin to the PS2 magazine, it's Torrie Gruner, but I haven't checked anywhere else. Kingfisherswift 17:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC) JB196 01:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)In the WWE Unscripted book, it says Torrie Gruner. JB196 01:14, 28 May 2006
I think that the profile list in the suggested profile for wrestler articles should go after the career section to highlight the prose. Also, the birthday list item seems redundant since it should be in the lead. -- Jtalledo (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
== Profile == *Height: *Weight: *Birthday: *Hometown: *Trained by: *Debut: *Previous identities: *Finishing and signature move(s): (If a large number of items is in any of the sections, place them into a subsection) == Career == Summarize the career of the wrestler, but make sure you leave it to major events and key points. Try not to include week-by-week synopsis of what that wrestler did on whatever show they're on. == Championships and accomplishments == *1-time [[WWE European Championship|WWE European Champion]] or, if the title has no article, *1-time WWE European Champion
-- Jtalledo (talk) 12:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
While we're discussing the template, am I the only one who thinks things like "Trivia" and "Personal life" sections look better nearer the top, or at least above any "Championship and accomplishments" sections? Those tend to be large tables, they should go at the bottom. Bdve 06:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to get Extreme Championship Wrestling moved to ECW. Any help would be appreciated. Kyros 01:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm tempted to remove the notes section from the WWE alumni page due to constant vandalism. Any thoughts? -- JFred 19:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright boys and girls, there's a problem going around. On just about every move list ( holds, throws, attacks, aerial, double team) there have been revision and edit wars and small battles about who should be added as "notable users". It's getting a tad out of hand sometimes ( Christian and the Frog Splash on the aerial page) and I think we honestly need to come up with some kind of qualifications and a set number of guys who can be listed under generic moves.
This woman, better known as Beth Phoenix, has been repeadely vandalized since her debut on the latest Raw. There have been edits which give false info as to her plans in the WWE. Just a heads up. ErikNY 04:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
This has of course been brought up before, but I think it's safe to say that virtually every active wrestler on the WWE roster (and many a wrestler from other promotions), has people filling in week-by-week storyline events for them, which have no encyclopedic significance, and even worse, look bad, since more often than not, what any given wrestler has done in the last three months is meticulously detailed to a point far beyond the majority of their careers and lives. It looks unprofessional and disorganized, it leads to articles that are too long, and it's often being done by people who have no command of the English language. . . It may even be safe to say that many of the people doing this have no business editing anything.
In my humble opinion, it should be the #1 priority of all Wrestling Project members to turn back the tide on this, as it's gotten far too ridiculous and is dragging down the quality of all wrestling articles on Wikipedia in general. I've noticed a new warning box at the top of some (but not many) wrestling pages indicating that the page is subject to week-by-week, un-encyclopedic break-downs of events, but I just feel that even with this new advent, it's still ridiculous.
In combination with all the edit wars having to do with naming conventions, listomania, and a seemingly high vandalism rate in comparison to the rest of Wikipedia, it's starting to feel like some sort of drastic action needs to take place. Surely if other major, frequently-visited articles on the site can be maintained by the user base, then we at this Project can band together (perhaps even recruit new members) to do the same.
I realize that there are a few members here that are struggling quite often with these issues and working hard to reverse this sort of crap in articles, but it really feels like it's only a few (I myself will admit to not being the most active wrestling project member in history). I assume most of us frequent certain wrestling message boards. Is it possible to draw help from these kinds of sources?
Just to emphasize, what I really think will help the wrestling section of Wikipedia more than anything else right now is for the dedicated wrestling project members to take a hard line against week-by-week schlock of no significance. The trouble of course is identifying what's significant and what's not, and I'm still thinking about that. -- Pathogen 11:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Impeccable H is (as far as i can tell) a fake OVW/WWE wrestler bio... apparently he was trained by The Undertaker and was a Heart Throp at one point.. needs deletion quickly --- Paulley 11:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I request merging the Undisputed Title Page with WWE Championship Page since the WWE Undisputed is just a small part of the WWWF/WWWf/WWE Championship history BionicWilliam 20:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I would keep it separate. Kyros 05:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I want to rewrite the Sid Vicious section. I went and did an overhaul once and looking at it now, I think an overhaul is needed again. Since Sid jumped from fed to fed in the 90's should I break down his section chronological or cover it in bulk Kyros 04:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
What is ... this -- Naha| (talk) 06:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
A series of IP users - notably 70.248.33.133, 220.255.173.97, 203.124.2.20 but there may be others are adding non-existant wrestlers to movelist pages i.e. Daniel, Shark, Big Dog Chan, Opo, Seth etc. I had to revert a series of edits to the list of hold pages but looking around they're doing this everywhere. I am not sure what is going on but it is quite bizarre considering they seem to be jointly in the bizarreness of the locations of additions and names i.e Backhand Chop. 220.239.56.72 15:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
User:McMahonist has created a Category:McMahonists (followers of McMahonism) even going as far as adding himself as being a follower.... we need to nip this in the bud now... along with the whole McMahonism page --- Paulley
Just want to clear this up before I go and re-edit the S.D. Jones page and add a bunch of my stuff that people pulled out, but aren't we supposed to change everything as WWE but mention the changeover? Bdve 01:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia should strongly avoid this kind of revisionism. McPhail 18:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I was looking at the Facebuster list to see if a listing of the Arm triangle facebuster existed, which it didn't so I created it. However I did notice there was a listing for the Anaconda facebuster. I was looking at this and the mechanics of it and taking into account what an Anaconda vice requires to be performed i'm not sure such a move exists. I'm near positive the Anaconda facbuster was created out of confusion of CM Punk's move the Anaconda Vice which despite the name is in fact an arm triangle choke. Punk uses his Anaconda Vice as a facebuster (hence why I created Arm triangle facebuster) but i'm near positive that they are in fact the same move with that the Anaconda Vice has been mislabelled as the move that is used in an Anaconda Facebuster and it is instead CM Punk's 'Anaconda' Facebuster which is as previously mentioned an Arm Triangle Choke Facebuster.
Does the Anaconda vice version actually exist or should the Arm triangle choke facebuster addition be merged with Anaconda facebuster version to state that it is in fact an arm triangle choke facebuster and the name applied to it is rather the name of Punk's choke? Anaconda facebuster is a better name than Arm triangle facebuster.
For reference Anaconda vice - Arm triangle choke - Lid 13:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I've deleted the following info from the Hulk Hogan's Pastamania entry, and for some odd reason, it popped back up again:
Another instance of audacious advertising for the restaurant was the event "Hulk Hogan's Pastamania I," a play on the famous World Wrestling Federation WrestleMania events. However, this one comprised teams of professional wrestlers and world-class chefs in competition with each other, both in the wrestling ring and cooking events. In Hogan's match, he teamed with Mario Batali against Harold "The Crusher" Johnson and Emeril Lagasse. Hogan pinned Johnson while Batali's Gorgonzola cream sauce triumphed over Lagasse's dish. [1]
To me, I think that it's a bunch of hooey. I even posted it on its talk page.
In short, IT'S COMING FROM A BLOG.
I think you should take a look at it and judge for yourself. Duo02 *Shout here!** 16:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
According to our article on Shane McMahon, he passed away a couple of months ago, I can find no mention of this anywhere else, can any of you confirm or disconfirm this please. As I'm sure you all can understand it would be very unfortunate to have such a statement if it were incorrect. Thanks. -- E ivind t @ c 04:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
lol if he passed that would be real big news Kyros 04:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Just wondering: why was the UFC article placed under the Pro-wrestling project? hateless 01:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the F-5 have its own section? It's essentially a fireman's carry into a Complete Shot and wouldn't that make it a subsection of the complete shot? Or do we treat it like the Olympic slam which is a belly to back suplex into a samoan drop and thus because it's a two move string it's considered a different move? --- Lid 18:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I really think the Turn (professional wrestling) page is getting a little out of hand. I say we only keep the first two sections (important turns and disatrous turns) and ditch the rest. -- Darren Jowalsen 03:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the double team moves of Roderick Strong and Jack Evans be added to the Professional wrestling double-team maneuvers? I would usually just add them but the sheer number of moves these guys create on the fly is astounding but they do have a few that are trademarks: i.e. the Ode to the Bulldogs (Roderick with an inverted firemans carry on one opponent with a downed one behind him, Jack jumps off the top rope onto the inverted opponents chest in a double foot stomp then procedes to perform an aerial move such as a moonsault off him onto the downed opponent while Strong delivers a backbreaker drop), the suplex-450 (Roderick suplexes Jack, let's go in mid air and Jack performs a 450 onto a downed opponent) and the leg up phoenix splash (Roderick gives Jack a leg up in the middle of the ring in with a downed opponent behind them with Jack facing away, Jack then performs a phoenix splash onto the downed opponent).
I have personally gone through a few articles and rewritten their career sections completally; to remove week-by-week and make the section into career summaries.. aswell as make general clean up edits (so far i have worked through Kristal Marshall, Melina Perez, Jillian Hall, Rey Mysterio's recent WWE career, and most recently Shelton Benjamin) However, this will never be cured as we can clean up what they have been doing in the past 4 years but as soon as another RAW airs, or a news repot comes out, then the next lot will be added with no regard to anything previouslt written --- Paulley
Reid Flair might be the poorest wrestling bio on Wikipedia I've read to date. I would have said it needed a drastic rewrite, but the more I thought about it the more it occurred to me - is he even notable enough for a page? His amateur career has lacked distinction except for his showboating and he has done nothing at a professional level worth mentioning either. That being said whoever wrote (or altered) the page clearly has a palpable hate for the young boy, whereas I'm indifferent about it - I don't find him noteworthy but I wouldn't write such silly garbage like "all his mates at school hate him but keep silent." What should be done with this junk? BronzeWarrior 08:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Instead of concentrating on a real bio or his wrestling accomplishments, the Iron Sheik's page concentrates mainly on what a kook he has become and about how he's on shock radio now and then. Really doesn't do the sheik justice on an encyclopedic level, or probably a respect level, for that matter. -- Pathogen 10:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I half-expected the edits to come after this. As far as I know the belt hasn't been reactivated for full time nor has WWE recognised Foley and Edge on their list of champions or title history so far. How shall we deal with this? Removing them off the champion lists (and the Hardcore Title history) with a little note on the championship's article? -- Oakster (Talk) 06:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Whatever happens, Foley was awarded the belt when it was retired. Foley and Edge also had themselves declared joint champions, with no one coming out to officially dispute the claim. If you want to get ridiculously scientific about it, however, they never had the belt officially re-activated, either. It's open to interpretation. I would say leave as is until WWE makes it clear what they are doing with the belt. -- Pathogen 07:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Somebody more talented then me has to add the info on Billy Kidman's page that it is impossible to powerbomb him. I just don't know how to do in a professional manner. This bit of info is very pertinent to Billy Kidman as it is definitely a key trademark of his. For this user, I have found no real place to add this in. I want somebody to add a trivia section at the very least and add that whenever somebody tried to Powerbomb Kidman, he would turn it into the X-Factor.
This is really an issue with a lot of Wikipedia articles, not just professional wrestling articles, but I see it on a lot of those articles, particular ones about pay-per-view events. The "trivia" sections pose a variety of problems in articles:
The point is, if you see some trivia sections, particularly on the pay-per-view event articles, please try to integrate the trivia with the rest of the article. And if it has no place in the rest of the article, then it probably should be deleted. I've tried to do this, but these sections just keep coming back. -- Jtalledo (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I feel we should set up an article improvement drive weekly ala this, on the football wikiproject. It could be anything nominated, wrestlers, shows, PPV's anything. Kingfisherswift 12:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
How do the rest of you feel about the use of a puplic domain image (the mug shot) in wrestlers stat boxes compared to using fair use images... i see some articles change to this and i myself changed Sean O'Haire's article to use his mug shot but it was quickly reverted. --- Paulley
I've just started up the article for ECW's brand new show on the Sci Fi Channel at ECW on Sci Fi. It probably won't be the official name of the show but it's a suitable name for now.
I was just wondering what shall we do concerning the ECW articles, such as Extreme Championship Wrestling alumni. There needs to be a way to differentiate the old promotion and the new WWE brand and I was wondering what your opinion on how you think this should be sorted out. -- Oakster (Talk) 16:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
More and more, articles are starting to refer to him as "the late Eddie Guerrero," which, while technically accurate, seems superfluous. I've seen that at least a dozen times, yet I haven't once seen "the late Curt Hennig," "the late Davey Boy Smith," "the late Ray Traylor," or even "the late Owen Hart." The most glaring example is on WWE European Championship, which uses "the late Eddie Guerrero" but merely "The British Bulldog." I'm hesitant to go on an editing spree because this is technically accurate and will probably just get changed back. What's the best course of action? Tromboneguy0186 18:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Putting it here so it will be noticed.
Change all mentions of WWE before May 8, 2002 to "WWF" or "the WWF", including championships and pay-per-views.
What then of championships when a wrestler won it both as a "WWF" and "WWE" belt (Kane, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Edge {intercontinental & tag} and Kurt Angle {WWE championship} all come to mind). Just go by the current name? Tromboneguy0186 18:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
For example if the above won the first title before the name change you can simply put WWF World Tag... --- Paulley
I've just finished working on an infobox for championship articles at User:Oakster/Belts, I was just wondering what you guys think of it. It includes quite a few examples of particular situations such as defunct belts, tag team belts, etc. -- Oakster (Talk) 12:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Out of sheer curosity .... should a second article be created for the new ECW. This is sheer curosity ... Thanks Kyros 07:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
ECW on Sci Fi needs to be merged in to the new Extreme Championship Wrestling (WWE) page. Both pages basically say the same thing. -- JFred 20:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
So what's going to happen with the Title histories ... a simple notation in the table. Kyros 20:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Since we're merging the two articles, I would suggest just like the RAW and SmackDown! brands, the new ECW article should feature the television infobox rather than the promotion infobox as it's a brand not necessarily a promotion. -- Oakster (Talk) 21:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I did an overall cleanup on Content section of [[Extreme Championship Wrestling (WWE}]]. Tell me what you think
Kyros
09:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Like the WWF vs WWE issue, I think it's important that someone find the date of the first non NWA branded TNA show because if you watch older shows, they always refer to the promotion as NWA-TNA. I think its important in order to hammer in that TNA either was or wasn't a member of the NWA at certain times throughout history.--
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoria Crawford where the majority of participants feel that this wrestler is not notable and that the Victoria Crawford article should therefore be deleted. Your comments would be welcome. TruthbringerToronto 21:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
We need a standard. Some wrestler pages are under their real names while others are under their gimmick name. I can understand The Rock, Sting and Triple H being under their gimmick name, but we definately need some rules as to which one to use. -- JFred 23:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
We should either call it Female and list ALL women under it, regardless of role, or call it Women's Division and list only those women active in the Women's Division. -- JFred 15:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
in attemps to clean up Lashley's page i have changed to format of his new title reign and the lay out of his "In wrestling" section to remove subsection and provide more more info without succession boxes. However, users seem to be intent to revert this and add a succession box which is really starting to annoy me. --- Paulley 09:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I added an article on Epic Pro Wrestling, which was a short lived promotion in California that was extremly influential for it's short existence.
The man was trained by Bill Anderson, I know Anderson personally and know for a fact Anderson was his trainer. Anderson also trained Warrior, Angel of Death and helped train Louis Spicolli and Rico.
We should hammer out some details regarding the WWE photos on the site. WWE.com's copyright policy says this:
The textual, photographic, video, audio, and combined audiovisual programs and products resulting from the World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc.'s events and television programs, including the material contained in this web site, are protected under U.S. and international laws as copyrighted works. Anyone who displays, reproduces, copies, creates derivative works, or sells our textual, photographic, video or audiovisual programs for commercial or non-commercial purposes without our permission violates the copyright laws and is liable for copyright infringement.
Likewise, the World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc.'s trademarks and service marks, including not only its world famous WWE and WWE marks, but also the names of its superstars, like Stone Cold Steve Austin are protected by state, federal, and international trademark laws. Any person who uses our marks for commercial or non-commercial purposes without our permission on goods or services in such a way that it dilutes the distinctive quality of our marks or that creates the likelihood of confusion with our marks is liable for trademark infringement.
Liability for copyright or trademark infringement involves the potential for significant civil damages, including in particular cases, statutory damages, liability for up to three times actual damages, and attorneys fees.
If you have any questions regarding this notice, please send an e-mail to permission@wwe.com
A lot of the images don't have the exact URL they came from and I'm not sure WWE.com photos count as promotional photos. We should probably e-mail that address to find out more. -- Jtalledo (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
how about a page dedicated to wrestling trainers?
Also Red Bastien did not train either Warrior or Sting, Bill ANderson was their sole trainer. Bastien was their Kayfabe trainer.
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There is an article up for this team, which is perfectly fine, because they have been teaming together for quite a while now, but the article needs a LOT of work. It was a very inexperienced user who created the page, and only refers to info in the last few months. Can anyone help with the extensive cleanup this page requires?-- Sentinel boy 08:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I have started a new WikiProject along with Kingfisherswift called Wikipedia:WikiProject Music of wrestling. It is the Pro Wrestling WikiProjects new descendant Wikiproject. It is aimed around organizing and starting articles related to WWE albums/theme music for PPV's and entrance musics. Hope everyone joins! Moe ε 17:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Me and the soon to be departing (hopefully not) Moe Epsilon are setting up a project to deal with the music of this great business. It will be Wikipedia:WikiProject Music of wrestling. Join if you are remotely interested - every little helps! Thanks. Kingfisherswift 17:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Anon. users keep reverting the WWE alumni page back to it's original format. Because of this, I feel that page needs to be protected like the WWE roster page is. -- JFred 22:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm currently working on the article and using the RoH page as a model. Jsst a heads up to expect many changes in the article in the umpcoming days. -- Smoltz 02:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to know where the info on D-X versus the spirit squad came from on the 2006 vengence page, as well John Cena versus Edge. It may need a citation. Classicrockguy May 27 12:31 EST
I'd like to request a lock on the Mysterio article cause of people constantly re-adding a seperate section to his article dealing with his squash match loss to the great Khali in detail and adding speculation he will face Kane next week. Please put up a lock my edits removing this are being reverted every 10 or so minutes! Night Bringer May 13th 19:22 GMT +10
I was lead to belive the her real name was Victoria Anne Gruner, but there no info on this on any website,The best I found was Torrie Anne Gruner or Torrie Anne Wilson-Gruner. I just want to get a consenus on this from you guys. BionicWilliam 03:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Accordin to the PS2 magazine, it's Torrie Gruner, but I haven't checked anywhere else. Kingfisherswift 17:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC) JB196 01:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)In the WWE Unscripted book, it says Torrie Gruner. JB196 01:14, 28 May 2006
I think that the profile list in the suggested profile for wrestler articles should go after the career section to highlight the prose. Also, the birthday list item seems redundant since it should be in the lead. -- Jtalledo (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
== Profile == *Height: *Weight: *Birthday: *Hometown: *Trained by: *Debut: *Previous identities: *Finishing and signature move(s): (If a large number of items is in any of the sections, place them into a subsection) == Career == Summarize the career of the wrestler, but make sure you leave it to major events and key points. Try not to include week-by-week synopsis of what that wrestler did on whatever show they're on. == Championships and accomplishments == *1-time [[WWE European Championship|WWE European Champion]] or, if the title has no article, *1-time WWE European Champion
-- Jtalledo (talk) 12:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
While we're discussing the template, am I the only one who thinks things like "Trivia" and "Personal life" sections look better nearer the top, or at least above any "Championship and accomplishments" sections? Those tend to be large tables, they should go at the bottom. Bdve 06:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to get Extreme Championship Wrestling moved to ECW. Any help would be appreciated. Kyros 01:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm tempted to remove the notes section from the WWE alumni page due to constant vandalism. Any thoughts? -- JFred 19:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright boys and girls, there's a problem going around. On just about every move list ( holds, throws, attacks, aerial, double team) there have been revision and edit wars and small battles about who should be added as "notable users". It's getting a tad out of hand sometimes ( Christian and the Frog Splash on the aerial page) and I think we honestly need to come up with some kind of qualifications and a set number of guys who can be listed under generic moves.
This woman, better known as Beth Phoenix, has been repeadely vandalized since her debut on the latest Raw. There have been edits which give false info as to her plans in the WWE. Just a heads up. ErikNY 04:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
This has of course been brought up before, but I think it's safe to say that virtually every active wrestler on the WWE roster (and many a wrestler from other promotions), has people filling in week-by-week storyline events for them, which have no encyclopedic significance, and even worse, look bad, since more often than not, what any given wrestler has done in the last three months is meticulously detailed to a point far beyond the majority of their careers and lives. It looks unprofessional and disorganized, it leads to articles that are too long, and it's often being done by people who have no command of the English language. . . It may even be safe to say that many of the people doing this have no business editing anything.
In my humble opinion, it should be the #1 priority of all Wrestling Project members to turn back the tide on this, as it's gotten far too ridiculous and is dragging down the quality of all wrestling articles on Wikipedia in general. I've noticed a new warning box at the top of some (but not many) wrestling pages indicating that the page is subject to week-by-week, un-encyclopedic break-downs of events, but I just feel that even with this new advent, it's still ridiculous.
In combination with all the edit wars having to do with naming conventions, listomania, and a seemingly high vandalism rate in comparison to the rest of Wikipedia, it's starting to feel like some sort of drastic action needs to take place. Surely if other major, frequently-visited articles on the site can be maintained by the user base, then we at this Project can band together (perhaps even recruit new members) to do the same.
I realize that there are a few members here that are struggling quite often with these issues and working hard to reverse this sort of crap in articles, but it really feels like it's only a few (I myself will admit to not being the most active wrestling project member in history). I assume most of us frequent certain wrestling message boards. Is it possible to draw help from these kinds of sources?
Just to emphasize, what I really think will help the wrestling section of Wikipedia more than anything else right now is for the dedicated wrestling project members to take a hard line against week-by-week schlock of no significance. The trouble of course is identifying what's significant and what's not, and I'm still thinking about that. -- Pathogen 11:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Impeccable H is (as far as i can tell) a fake OVW/WWE wrestler bio... apparently he was trained by The Undertaker and was a Heart Throp at one point.. needs deletion quickly --- Paulley 11:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I request merging the Undisputed Title Page with WWE Championship Page since the WWE Undisputed is just a small part of the WWWF/WWWf/WWE Championship history BionicWilliam 20:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I would keep it separate. Kyros 05:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I want to rewrite the Sid Vicious section. I went and did an overhaul once and looking at it now, I think an overhaul is needed again. Since Sid jumped from fed to fed in the 90's should I break down his section chronological or cover it in bulk Kyros 04:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
What is ... this -- Naha| (talk) 06:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
A series of IP users - notably 70.248.33.133, 220.255.173.97, 203.124.2.20 but there may be others are adding non-existant wrestlers to movelist pages i.e. Daniel, Shark, Big Dog Chan, Opo, Seth etc. I had to revert a series of edits to the list of hold pages but looking around they're doing this everywhere. I am not sure what is going on but it is quite bizarre considering they seem to be jointly in the bizarreness of the locations of additions and names i.e Backhand Chop. 220.239.56.72 15:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
User:McMahonist has created a Category:McMahonists (followers of McMahonism) even going as far as adding himself as being a follower.... we need to nip this in the bud now... along with the whole McMahonism page --- Paulley
Just want to clear this up before I go and re-edit the S.D. Jones page and add a bunch of my stuff that people pulled out, but aren't we supposed to change everything as WWE but mention the changeover? Bdve 01:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia should strongly avoid this kind of revisionism. McPhail 18:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I was looking at the Facebuster list to see if a listing of the Arm triangle facebuster existed, which it didn't so I created it. However I did notice there was a listing for the Anaconda facebuster. I was looking at this and the mechanics of it and taking into account what an Anaconda vice requires to be performed i'm not sure such a move exists. I'm near positive the Anaconda facbuster was created out of confusion of CM Punk's move the Anaconda Vice which despite the name is in fact an arm triangle choke. Punk uses his Anaconda Vice as a facebuster (hence why I created Arm triangle facebuster) but i'm near positive that they are in fact the same move with that the Anaconda Vice has been mislabelled as the move that is used in an Anaconda Facebuster and it is instead CM Punk's 'Anaconda' Facebuster which is as previously mentioned an Arm Triangle Choke Facebuster.
Does the Anaconda vice version actually exist or should the Arm triangle choke facebuster addition be merged with Anaconda facebuster version to state that it is in fact an arm triangle choke facebuster and the name applied to it is rather the name of Punk's choke? Anaconda facebuster is a better name than Arm triangle facebuster.
For reference Anaconda vice - Arm triangle choke - Lid 13:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I've deleted the following info from the Hulk Hogan's Pastamania entry, and for some odd reason, it popped back up again:
Another instance of audacious advertising for the restaurant was the event "Hulk Hogan's Pastamania I," a play on the famous World Wrestling Federation WrestleMania events. However, this one comprised teams of professional wrestlers and world-class chefs in competition with each other, both in the wrestling ring and cooking events. In Hogan's match, he teamed with Mario Batali against Harold "The Crusher" Johnson and Emeril Lagasse. Hogan pinned Johnson while Batali's Gorgonzola cream sauce triumphed over Lagasse's dish. [1]
To me, I think that it's a bunch of hooey. I even posted it on its talk page.
In short, IT'S COMING FROM A BLOG.
I think you should take a look at it and judge for yourself. Duo02 *Shout here!** 16:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
According to our article on Shane McMahon, he passed away a couple of months ago, I can find no mention of this anywhere else, can any of you confirm or disconfirm this please. As I'm sure you all can understand it would be very unfortunate to have such a statement if it were incorrect. Thanks. -- E ivind t @ c 04:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
lol if he passed that would be real big news Kyros 04:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Just wondering: why was the UFC article placed under the Pro-wrestling project? hateless 01:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the F-5 have its own section? It's essentially a fireman's carry into a Complete Shot and wouldn't that make it a subsection of the complete shot? Or do we treat it like the Olympic slam which is a belly to back suplex into a samoan drop and thus because it's a two move string it's considered a different move? --- Lid 18:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I really think the Turn (professional wrestling) page is getting a little out of hand. I say we only keep the first two sections (important turns and disatrous turns) and ditch the rest. -- Darren Jowalsen 03:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the double team moves of Roderick Strong and Jack Evans be added to the Professional wrestling double-team maneuvers? I would usually just add them but the sheer number of moves these guys create on the fly is astounding but they do have a few that are trademarks: i.e. the Ode to the Bulldogs (Roderick with an inverted firemans carry on one opponent with a downed one behind him, Jack jumps off the top rope onto the inverted opponents chest in a double foot stomp then procedes to perform an aerial move such as a moonsault off him onto the downed opponent while Strong delivers a backbreaker drop), the suplex-450 (Roderick suplexes Jack, let's go in mid air and Jack performs a 450 onto a downed opponent) and the leg up phoenix splash (Roderick gives Jack a leg up in the middle of the ring in with a downed opponent behind them with Jack facing away, Jack then performs a phoenix splash onto the downed opponent).
I have personally gone through a few articles and rewritten their career sections completally; to remove week-by-week and make the section into career summaries.. aswell as make general clean up edits (so far i have worked through Kristal Marshall, Melina Perez, Jillian Hall, Rey Mysterio's recent WWE career, and most recently Shelton Benjamin) However, this will never be cured as we can clean up what they have been doing in the past 4 years but as soon as another RAW airs, or a news repot comes out, then the next lot will be added with no regard to anything previouslt written --- Paulley
Reid Flair might be the poorest wrestling bio on Wikipedia I've read to date. I would have said it needed a drastic rewrite, but the more I thought about it the more it occurred to me - is he even notable enough for a page? His amateur career has lacked distinction except for his showboating and he has done nothing at a professional level worth mentioning either. That being said whoever wrote (or altered) the page clearly has a palpable hate for the young boy, whereas I'm indifferent about it - I don't find him noteworthy but I wouldn't write such silly garbage like "all his mates at school hate him but keep silent." What should be done with this junk? BronzeWarrior 08:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Instead of concentrating on a real bio or his wrestling accomplishments, the Iron Sheik's page concentrates mainly on what a kook he has become and about how he's on shock radio now and then. Really doesn't do the sheik justice on an encyclopedic level, or probably a respect level, for that matter. -- Pathogen 10:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I half-expected the edits to come after this. As far as I know the belt hasn't been reactivated for full time nor has WWE recognised Foley and Edge on their list of champions or title history so far. How shall we deal with this? Removing them off the champion lists (and the Hardcore Title history) with a little note on the championship's article? -- Oakster (Talk) 06:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Whatever happens, Foley was awarded the belt when it was retired. Foley and Edge also had themselves declared joint champions, with no one coming out to officially dispute the claim. If you want to get ridiculously scientific about it, however, they never had the belt officially re-activated, either. It's open to interpretation. I would say leave as is until WWE makes it clear what they are doing with the belt. -- Pathogen 07:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Somebody more talented then me has to add the info on Billy Kidman's page that it is impossible to powerbomb him. I just don't know how to do in a professional manner. This bit of info is very pertinent to Billy Kidman as it is definitely a key trademark of his. For this user, I have found no real place to add this in. I want somebody to add a trivia section at the very least and add that whenever somebody tried to Powerbomb Kidman, he would turn it into the X-Factor.
This is really an issue with a lot of Wikipedia articles, not just professional wrestling articles, but I see it on a lot of those articles, particular ones about pay-per-view events. The "trivia" sections pose a variety of problems in articles:
The point is, if you see some trivia sections, particularly on the pay-per-view event articles, please try to integrate the trivia with the rest of the article. And if it has no place in the rest of the article, then it probably should be deleted. I've tried to do this, but these sections just keep coming back. -- Jtalledo (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I feel we should set up an article improvement drive weekly ala this, on the football wikiproject. It could be anything nominated, wrestlers, shows, PPV's anything. Kingfisherswift 12:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
How do the rest of you feel about the use of a puplic domain image (the mug shot) in wrestlers stat boxes compared to using fair use images... i see some articles change to this and i myself changed Sean O'Haire's article to use his mug shot but it was quickly reverted. --- Paulley
I've just started up the article for ECW's brand new show on the Sci Fi Channel at ECW on Sci Fi. It probably won't be the official name of the show but it's a suitable name for now.
I was just wondering what shall we do concerning the ECW articles, such as Extreme Championship Wrestling alumni. There needs to be a way to differentiate the old promotion and the new WWE brand and I was wondering what your opinion on how you think this should be sorted out. -- Oakster (Talk) 16:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
More and more, articles are starting to refer to him as "the late Eddie Guerrero," which, while technically accurate, seems superfluous. I've seen that at least a dozen times, yet I haven't once seen "the late Curt Hennig," "the late Davey Boy Smith," "the late Ray Traylor," or even "the late Owen Hart." The most glaring example is on WWE European Championship, which uses "the late Eddie Guerrero" but merely "The British Bulldog." I'm hesitant to go on an editing spree because this is technically accurate and will probably just get changed back. What's the best course of action? Tromboneguy0186 18:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Putting it here so it will be noticed.
Change all mentions of WWE before May 8, 2002 to "WWF" or "the WWF", including championships and pay-per-views.
What then of championships when a wrestler won it both as a "WWF" and "WWE" belt (Kane, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Edge {intercontinental & tag} and Kurt Angle {WWE championship} all come to mind). Just go by the current name? Tromboneguy0186 18:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
For example if the above won the first title before the name change you can simply put WWF World Tag... --- Paulley
I've just finished working on an infobox for championship articles at User:Oakster/Belts, I was just wondering what you guys think of it. It includes quite a few examples of particular situations such as defunct belts, tag team belts, etc. -- Oakster (Talk) 12:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Out of sheer curosity .... should a second article be created for the new ECW. This is sheer curosity ... Thanks Kyros 07:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
ECW on Sci Fi needs to be merged in to the new Extreme Championship Wrestling (WWE) page. Both pages basically say the same thing. -- JFred 20:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
So what's going to happen with the Title histories ... a simple notation in the table. Kyros 20:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Since we're merging the two articles, I would suggest just like the RAW and SmackDown! brands, the new ECW article should feature the television infobox rather than the promotion infobox as it's a brand not necessarily a promotion. -- Oakster (Talk) 21:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I did an overall cleanup on Content section of [[Extreme Championship Wrestling (WWE}]]. Tell me what you think
Kyros
09:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Like the WWF vs WWE issue, I think it's important that someone find the date of the first non NWA branded TNA show because if you watch older shows, they always refer to the promotion as NWA-TNA. I think its important in order to hammer in that TNA either was or wasn't a member of the NWA at certain times throughout history.--
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoria Crawford where the majority of participants feel that this wrestler is not notable and that the Victoria Crawford article should therefore be deleted. Your comments would be welcome. TruthbringerToronto 21:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
We need a standard. Some wrestler pages are under their real names while others are under their gimmick name. I can understand The Rock, Sting and Triple H being under their gimmick name, but we definately need some rules as to which one to use. -- JFred 23:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
We should either call it Female and list ALL women under it, regardless of role, or call it Women's Division and list only those women active in the Women's Division. -- JFred 15:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
in attemps to clean up Lashley's page i have changed to format of his new title reign and the lay out of his "In wrestling" section to remove subsection and provide more more info without succession boxes. However, users seem to be intent to revert this and add a succession box which is really starting to annoy me. --- Paulley 09:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I added an article on Epic Pro Wrestling, which was a short lived promotion in California that was extremly influential for it's short existence.
The man was trained by Bill Anderson, I know Anderson personally and know for a fact Anderson was his trainer. Anderson also trained Warrior, Angel of Death and helped train Louis Spicolli and Rico.
We should hammer out some details regarding the WWE photos on the site. WWE.com's copyright policy says this:
The textual, photographic, video, audio, and combined audiovisual programs and products resulting from the World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc.'s events and television programs, including the material contained in this web site, are protected under U.S. and international laws as copyrighted works. Anyone who displays, reproduces, copies, creates derivative works, or sells our textual, photographic, video or audiovisual programs for commercial or non-commercial purposes without our permission violates the copyright laws and is liable for copyright infringement.
Likewise, the World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc.'s trademarks and service marks, including not only its world famous WWE and WWE marks, but also the names of its superstars, like Stone Cold Steve Austin are protected by state, federal, and international trademark laws. Any person who uses our marks for commercial or non-commercial purposes without our permission on goods or services in such a way that it dilutes the distinctive quality of our marks or that creates the likelihood of confusion with our marks is liable for trademark infringement.
Liability for copyright or trademark infringement involves the potential for significant civil damages, including in particular cases, statutory damages, liability for up to three times actual damages, and attorneys fees.
If you have any questions regarding this notice, please send an e-mail to permission@wwe.com
A lot of the images don't have the exact URL they came from and I'm not sure WWE.com photos count as promotional photos. We should probably e-mail that address to find out more. -- Jtalledo (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
how about a page dedicated to wrestling trainers?
Also Red Bastien did not train either Warrior or Sting, Bill ANderson was their sole trainer. Bastien was their Kayfabe trainer.