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Just a quick reminder that the Featured List nomination for this article closes on Tuesday. Currently, there are not enough support votes for it to pass (it has 3 and needs to have at least 4). If anyone has time to look over the article objectively and give feedback, it would be appreciated. If there are any issues that need to be resolved, please post them on the nomination page so that they can be addressed as soon as possible. 23:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the articles have been split, there were at least 8 supporters for the split including myself. Thanks to all who were involved in the discussion. Any concerns or comments please respond here.-- TrUcO9311 ( talk) 00:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated WrestleMania III for GA status. If there is any improvement or criticism worth mentioning, please do. Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 02:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
The "home page" of the WP:PW newsletter has moved from my userpage to the project space. It can be found here. The Chronic 08:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
This is a notice to inform the members of WP:PW that I intend to nominate these two article for GA status in the future. I would appreciate feedback on the articles, which can be left on their talk pages, on my talk page, or on their peer review pages (located at Wikipedia:Peer review/Royal Rumble (1994)/archive1 and Wikipedia:Peer review/King of the Ring (1994)/archive1). Thanks. GaryColemanFan 18:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure who archived the talk page, so this is a comment for everybody: when archiving a talk page, please make sure that you leave comments that are not yet a week old. There were active discussions going on that just got archived, which makes it difficult to continue them. Thanks. Nikki311 16:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we use a bot to archive this page like I (and many others) use for our talk pages? User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Howto will automatically archive any discussions older than a certain number of days (I have mine at 7) to a specified archive page. We could set it so any discussions with no replies after 7 days will be archived by the bot. TJ Spyke 17:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Is the above page inactive? Now that the COTW is back running, isn't the list jsut gonig to go down. Should I redirect it to the main WP:PW page? Davnel03 17:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
No longer needed by us, and per this discussion it is no longer needed. Clean delete. Davnel03 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
This has been mentioned already on Kurt Angle's talk page. Karen Angle has become pretty notable and appears on TNA TV more than most wrestlers and is featured in the TNA Knockouts section of TNA's site. Currently Karen Angle redirects to Kurt's personal life section. Should she have her own article now? TJ Spyke 20:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I've recently begun putting together an article for New Japan Pro Wrestling's PPV held on November 11, Destruction '07 in my sandbox. It's a work in progress, so any comments would be appreciated. -- MarcK 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Since the WP:GAC page suggest reviewing another article when you put one up for GA I took the task of reviewing the Melina Perez article since I never contributed to it or well frankly read it before (I don't spend a lot of time on Diva articles), so I figured I'd be unbiased enough to review it, at least ya'll know I don't have an anti-wrestling agenda ;). To the point, I put the GA Nom on hold and left a laundry list of things to improve, so if anyone feels like contributing there is plenty to dig into. It's on hold for no more than a week as per the rules. Happy editing MPJ-DK 13:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
There is an important note left in the review that requires input from project members: "Show names should either always be in italics or never, pick one and go with it (WP:MOS suggest italics)." The point refers to pay-per-views not being in italics whereas the WWE television shows are in italics. My response was "The MoS refers to films and television series', it says nothing about pay-per-views. Television shows and film names can be in italics but something like the 2005 Great American Bash is neither. To refer to a pay-per-view as a whole it can be in italics but to refer to a certain year in a pay-per-view can be considered 'chapters of a longer work'." I think once and for all there should be a decision about this, as it would be unfair for this article to fail GA because of this whereas others that use the same style have passed. We need opinions: should pay-per-view editions be italicised or is that against WP:ITALICS per "chapters of a longer work"? - Deep Shadow 18:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to ask that people from this project avoid voting in future FL/FACs unless they have constructive criticism. I just closed an FLC that had support from 6 project members and few left any comments. Am I saying it's vote stacking? No. But it would be best to avoid anything that could bring on accusations. -- Scorpion 0422 18:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I know that I've expressed this concern before. I do not support something unless I've absolutely made no major contributions to an article, and I have looked over it in its entirety. I also only support things that I believe are worthy of supporting. I would, however, echo the statement above that if we didn't support these things, other people would look right past them and they would fail due to lack of consensus or because a few users opposed due to their dislike of professional wrestling. This concern should also apply to Good Article nominations/reviews. Members of this project should not review wrestling-related articles unless they are willing to actually review it and not pass it on sight. I've had both happen to articles I've submitted. I would much rather fix a long list of problems left by a reviewer (see Talk:Melina Perez for a good example of how to properly review an article) than feel like someone passed my article with a COI. Nikki311 19:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
There are multiple IPs rounding up, excessively adding Funaki as a former and current WWE Champion... of all people... FUNAKI!?!? The man's a great worker but jeez!-- bulletproof 3:16 05:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I have moved this article to the main space. I have a few more things to do (copyedit, expand the lead, get rid of the trivia section, work on internal links, etc.). If anyone has any feedback, I'd love to hear it. GaryColemanFan 14:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
A user recently moved Khali's article to Dalip Singh Rana, without consensus as far as I can tell. Gavyn Sykes 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Well here's the thing; the article was moved to The Great Khali without consensus too. Considering he has an entire movie career as well under Dalip Singh the article being at The Great Khali really doesn't fall under WP:COMMONNAME, it's just his current ring name. Personally I feel it should be at Dalip Singh or Dalip Singh Rana. –– Lid( Talk) 22:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
New users are re-adding the roster list after it was agreed to no longer make use of these kinds of lists. Just thought I'd pass that along. Would really appreciate someone keeping an eye on the page.-- bulletproof 3:16 23:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Briscoe Brothers probably satisfies WP:GA. I've gone in and phrased more and more claims to be "out of universe." Is the next step listing it for GA, or going to peer review? I know there's probably no "right" or "wrong" answer, but what's usually the next step? Tromboneguy0186 20:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, yeah, I didn't have GA in the mind at that time, and I'm not positive I do now, either, but the more eyes on the article the better. Tromboneguy0186 00:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Could someone, in particular, help with a lead for the article? Tromboneguy0186 02:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I have no clue if this is true or vandalism, but users have been adding that John Morrison and The Miz won the tag titles at the Smackdown taping. First off, is this true? Either way, I can't revert those pages again, due to the 3RR, so any help restoring this vandalism/spoilers would be appreciated. Thanks. Gavyn Sykes 17:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I have two points to make:
Sources First of all, it is completely unlogical that Wikipedia tells us we need " sources" when we know things that are facts, or we see things with our own two eyes. "Example: if I gave my dog some food. Two hours later, no one has enterd the house, yet I see food on his plate. The only possible reason is that he didn't eat it. Wikipedia would just obligate me to find a source to see if someone else came into the house, poured him some food, and left as it is a possibility; or have a Gastro exam on my dog, to post the fact. It's outrageous."
Spoilers If someone went to the smackdown tapings and sees with his own to eyes that MVP and Hardy lost their titles, it should be posted. Regardless if this is a spoiler! This is an encyclopedia: WE POST FACTS! When we post the date of when someone loses their titles on Smackdown; do we make it tuesday or friday? We post it tuesday, regardless if it was aired on friday. Why? Because we post FACTS! and the fact is that they lost it on tuesday, even though the common knowledge of the event was made on friday. I understand if someone posts weekly match results, which is outrageous because it isn't important. But title reigns are significant, and should be posted, and if someone is mad because they were spoiled, they shouldn't have been checking our articles. If they want bios that are aligned with TV, then we should tell them to check [wwe.com wwe.com] Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 02:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
My opinion as of today is that if the results come from a reliable source (WWE or a local paper's report of the event for example), then it should be posted. Otherwise, it should be reverted for that reason alone. Being a spoiler always has been and always will be a weak excuse. Mshake3 06:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
The section below has been moved nearer to the bottom of the page to gather a consensus.
Maybe we should create a new page under the above name to outline WP:PW spoilers, and possibly copy-paste past discussions to that page, instead of having to look through all the archives. Opinions? Davnel03 15:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Before we go ahead and create a page, here are some guidlines out of the top of my head. Feel free to comment immediately after each guidline.
One or two of the above are probably not needed and useless, but I've just typed these up out of the top of my head. Leave comments in between each point, and discuss if anything seems wrong with the point I've made. Cheers! Davnel03 17:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I merged the information for 1994 and 1995 into the main article for King of the Ring because for some strange reason they were the only 2 years out of 17 that had their own articles. I think in the interest in uniformity that there should either be 1 article inclusive of all years, or separate articles for each year. Giving 1994 and 1995 special treatment does not make sense to me. Thoughts? Yagobo79 12:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
What do we feel about an IP adding {{Primarysources}} tag to some PPV related articles, see the IP's contributions. Should I revert? I'm not saying he's wrong, infact he's correct, but some of them ( WrestleMania 23 and SummerSlam (2007)) are still underconstruction, so should they be removed? Davnel03 17:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Leaderboard ready for COTW beginning 18th November:
This COTW could go possibly seven or eight different ways - your votes are needed to make sure your favourite becomes the COTW! This is the closest ever! You need to vote, otherwise your favourite will not be COTW, and some could be pruned... possibly seven! Davnel03 17:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Can the to do list have its own subpage? ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional Wrestling/To do list) Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 18:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
At the beginning it says the page is archived by Werdnabot, and at the end by Shadowbot. WHo is it really? Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 19:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Should it be noted that the crown was treated as a Championship that changed hands during more than one of the reigns?
Haku carried the crown after Race, and then it was contested in matches. Haku lost it to Duggan who lost it to Savage.
Then in 1993 Lawler defeated Bret at SummerSlam to become the "Undisputed King of the WWF". Should these people be noted as King of the Ring champions, or Kings of the WWF?
I feel that if there is an article noting the title history of the Million Dollar Championship, then surely these changes in the King of the Ring title, particularly those of Duggan and Savage, should also be recognized.
Yagobo79
03:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
...and I'm going to list Briscoe Brothers for GA. Please give feedback on the article's talk page as to what needs to be done (and as always, feel free to actually do it!) so as to better ensure its passage. Tromboneguy0186 05:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted Clonetrooper's edits on the Professional wrestling in Australia page as he insists on adding a little house show note called the Brisbane Cup. As it is only a house show it fails WP:N and yet he insists on posting it. I have told him that house show specific info is not notable - and I expect him to argue the point. Some help may be needed over this. !! Justa Punk !! 07:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Leaderboard ready for COTW beginning 18th November:
I'm disappointed by the lack of interest over at the COTW, and the lack of response from thr ocment above I made yesterday. If no one has supported the articles that are set to be pruned later today by 4pm ET, they WILL be pruned. Davnel03 15:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
User talk:Metal to the Max! Left a message on my userpage saying I was kicked from Pro Wrestling Project because I knew nothing about wrestling, and left me a link to Ron Simmon's talk page. I went there, and I saw a message from a few months back I left, saying damn wasn't his catch phrase, I only used it once (this was when he said it only once). He then responded on the talk page saying I wasn't a real fan, etc. Very ridiculous, so just watch out for him vandalizing...-- Kris ( talk) 20:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
It's been discussed before, but never has really been decided upon - is it time to finally create this? –– Lid( Talk) 23:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Is the above page really needed? The sections that compose the page, is just guidelines on how to post discussions. And all notices and discussions take action here, not there. So, I think the page isn't really needed. Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 18:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, above BMG stated the need for an area where we can compile guideline discussions for easy access later. I thought that was the point of the Notice Board...to add links to past discussions so when a disagreement arises, we have easy access to the relevant past discussion that may solve the problem. I think we should keep it, but actually utilize it. Nikki 311 21:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I am now finished writing this article. I would like to nominate if for GA status in the future (but obviously not for a while, since I want to nominate Royal Rumble (1994) and King of the Ring (1994) first). I would really appreciate it if a few people could look through it (and perhaps do some copyediting) and give me some feedback. Thank you to anyone who can help (and to TJ Spyke, who has alreayd been a big help). Oh yeah, and I don't feel right about assessing articles that I've contributed to, so I would also appreciate it if someone could look it over and decide if it's up to B-level. GaryColemanFan 23:58, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I've done the copyedit. One thing I did notice is that you alternate between both "The Undertaker" and "the Undertaker", as well as "The Headshrinkers" and "the Headshrinkers"...alternating whether the "the" is capitalized or not. If the "the" is part of the name, then it should be capitalized, and if it isn't a part of the official name, then it should remain lowercase. Either way, it is best to be consistent. Also, how do you feel about adding the "other on-screen talent" table that is located in some of the other pay-per-view articles (ex. WrestleMania III)? I rather like it because it removes the random list at the bottom of the page and breaks up the huge blocks of text....that's your call, though. Nikki 311 04:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give everyone a notice that User:Kevin Hotfury has gone and created this page without alerting us. -- Gavyn Sykes ( talk) 17:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
So, anybody else think we should put a speedy delete on Heavy on Wrestling, and all of its unnotable workers? Kris ( talk) 23:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/References is at MfD. -- Jreferee t/ c 01:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Judgment Day (2007) is now being created as a seperate article. This means that we now have the following as being expanded or have been expanded:
If anyone wishes to fill in the gaps and expand
TGAB 2007 and
Unforgiven 2007, please do. Also note that Armageddon 2007 will be split next weekend.
This is obviously a good thing, but is beginning to leave a huge amount of broken links in articles. Just as a note, make sure, either using AWB or something else to repair the links and send them to the right location! Dav nel 03 10:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
This page about a JCW event is in need of some serious work. Among others, the matches are described, poorly, in blow-by-blow style. I'll leave it to your capable hands as I'm not sure when and how to begin. -- _The Hiddey_ 10:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I did it! The Show/Hide bar is on the newsletter. Please go to User:Lex94/Sandbox and tell me if you like it this way. I prefer it this way because it doesn't take up much space on the talk page. Thoughts? Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 14:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for deletion, see here. I never normally notify the project about deletion debates, but this one seems different. Unlike others, looking at the article, it seems to have numerous reliable references and seems to satisfy notability. Am I wrong when I say that? I was a bit surprised when I seen the AFD notice. Dav nel 03 15:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Anybody else think Ricochet (wrestler) should be prodded? Kris ( talk) 23:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
This is goofy. On an article like Nelson Frazier, Jr. the move list is broken up into characters, which gives the impression (to me) that moves not under a character name weren't done unless they were being done as that character, but that's not true. So in order to rectify that someone decided to just repeat everything three times. There has got to be a better way to do this.«» bd( talk stalk) 00:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give everyone a notice that I've created the article The Great American Bash (2007). -- LAX 02:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
What the title says. Also, despite the fact WWE had 15 votes or so to become the COTW, not much progress was made in terms of referencing on the article, see the diff. Dav nel 03 10:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am going to work on the No Way Out (2007) article, as part of the PPV expansion, hopefully we will get all the 2007 ppv's expanded.-- TrUcO9311 ( talk) 18:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Later tonight, I'll begin work on New Year's Revolution (2007). Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 19:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
There's been two attempts at resolving a debate as to whether PWI rankings and awards and Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards should be included and nothing has really been resolved. Some see them as important wrestling honors and some see them as trivial bits of information. So, let's just get this out of the way once and for all. Should we:
1. Delete all PWI and WON material from the championships and accomplishments section.
2. Delete PWI rankings and WON awards from the championships and accomplishments section but leave the various PWI awards.
3. Keep all PWI and WON material as part of the championships and accomplishments section.
Odin's Beard
01:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the last WWF ppv and the upcoming Survivor Series have their own articles. What about starting new articles for each of the upcoming WWF ppv? It would be pretty easy considering the details of these events that occur leading up to the ppv would be fresh on everyone's mind and references would be ridiculously easy to locate. The reason I bring this up is cause I noticed users going back and creating pages for inconsequential PPVs (Backlash 07 & December to Dismember come to mind). They do excellent jobs, but I would imagine this process each month with a new PPV would be even easier as a group, given it's timing and would be beneficial down the road. Thoughts? -- Endless Dan 21:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I have nominated In Your House 1 for FA status. As a result of this discussion, please do not support it without leaving a comment. If you do have legitimate problems with the article, or if there is something you do not understand, please do say at the FAC, I don't mind. The other thing, about major contributers being allowed to vote doesn't really apply to this article, as I have made most of the contributions to the article. Thanks! Dav nel 03 13:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has undegone a peer review process and I informed members of the project one week ago that I would be nominating it for GA-status. My preference is that the review is done by someone outside of the project, as I want to avoid accusations of conflict of interest. And, as always, if you can see any problems with the article, please let me know. Thank you to everyone who has helped so much to get it to this level. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 00:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
If its alright with everyone, I'd like to create the Backlash 2006 article. Zenlax T C S 20:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The article is now available. But I need help completing it. Zenlax T C S 21:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I've passed Melina Perez and it is now a GA - I personally think that I'm capable of reviewing a pro wrestling article I haven't worked on but well since some people are weary of biased reviewing etc this will be the last GA Review I'll be doing. I know I can be fair & tough on these things but I'd rather not cause suspicion or finger pointing at the expense of this project so I'll refrain from GA Reviewing in the future. MPJ-DK ( talk) 22:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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Just a quick reminder that the Featured List nomination for this article closes on Tuesday. Currently, there are not enough support votes for it to pass (it has 3 and needs to have at least 4). If anyone has time to look over the article objectively and give feedback, it would be appreciated. If there are any issues that need to be resolved, please post them on the nomination page so that they can be addressed as soon as possible. 23:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the articles have been split, there were at least 8 supporters for the split including myself. Thanks to all who were involved in the discussion. Any concerns or comments please respond here.-- TrUcO9311 ( talk) 00:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated WrestleMania III for GA status. If there is any improvement or criticism worth mentioning, please do. Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 02:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
The "home page" of the WP:PW newsletter has moved from my userpage to the project space. It can be found here. The Chronic 08:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
This is a notice to inform the members of WP:PW that I intend to nominate these two article for GA status in the future. I would appreciate feedback on the articles, which can be left on their talk pages, on my talk page, or on their peer review pages (located at Wikipedia:Peer review/Royal Rumble (1994)/archive1 and Wikipedia:Peer review/King of the Ring (1994)/archive1). Thanks. GaryColemanFan 18:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure who archived the talk page, so this is a comment for everybody: when archiving a talk page, please make sure that you leave comments that are not yet a week old. There were active discussions going on that just got archived, which makes it difficult to continue them. Thanks. Nikki311 16:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we use a bot to archive this page like I (and many others) use for our talk pages? User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Howto will automatically archive any discussions older than a certain number of days (I have mine at 7) to a specified archive page. We could set it so any discussions with no replies after 7 days will be archived by the bot. TJ Spyke 17:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Is the above page inactive? Now that the COTW is back running, isn't the list jsut gonig to go down. Should I redirect it to the main WP:PW page? Davnel03 17:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
No longer needed by us, and per this discussion it is no longer needed. Clean delete. Davnel03 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
This has been mentioned already on Kurt Angle's talk page. Karen Angle has become pretty notable and appears on TNA TV more than most wrestlers and is featured in the TNA Knockouts section of TNA's site. Currently Karen Angle redirects to Kurt's personal life section. Should she have her own article now? TJ Spyke 20:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I've recently begun putting together an article for New Japan Pro Wrestling's PPV held on November 11, Destruction '07 in my sandbox. It's a work in progress, so any comments would be appreciated. -- MarcK 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Since the WP:GAC page suggest reviewing another article when you put one up for GA I took the task of reviewing the Melina Perez article since I never contributed to it or well frankly read it before (I don't spend a lot of time on Diva articles), so I figured I'd be unbiased enough to review it, at least ya'll know I don't have an anti-wrestling agenda ;). To the point, I put the GA Nom on hold and left a laundry list of things to improve, so if anyone feels like contributing there is plenty to dig into. It's on hold for no more than a week as per the rules. Happy editing MPJ-DK 13:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
There is an important note left in the review that requires input from project members: "Show names should either always be in italics or never, pick one and go with it (WP:MOS suggest italics)." The point refers to pay-per-views not being in italics whereas the WWE television shows are in italics. My response was "The MoS refers to films and television series', it says nothing about pay-per-views. Television shows and film names can be in italics but something like the 2005 Great American Bash is neither. To refer to a pay-per-view as a whole it can be in italics but to refer to a certain year in a pay-per-view can be considered 'chapters of a longer work'." I think once and for all there should be a decision about this, as it would be unfair for this article to fail GA because of this whereas others that use the same style have passed. We need opinions: should pay-per-view editions be italicised or is that against WP:ITALICS per "chapters of a longer work"? - Deep Shadow 18:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to ask that people from this project avoid voting in future FL/FACs unless they have constructive criticism. I just closed an FLC that had support from 6 project members and few left any comments. Am I saying it's vote stacking? No. But it would be best to avoid anything that could bring on accusations. -- Scorpion 0422 18:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I know that I've expressed this concern before. I do not support something unless I've absolutely made no major contributions to an article, and I have looked over it in its entirety. I also only support things that I believe are worthy of supporting. I would, however, echo the statement above that if we didn't support these things, other people would look right past them and they would fail due to lack of consensus or because a few users opposed due to their dislike of professional wrestling. This concern should also apply to Good Article nominations/reviews. Members of this project should not review wrestling-related articles unless they are willing to actually review it and not pass it on sight. I've had both happen to articles I've submitted. I would much rather fix a long list of problems left by a reviewer (see Talk:Melina Perez for a good example of how to properly review an article) than feel like someone passed my article with a COI. Nikki311 19:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
There are multiple IPs rounding up, excessively adding Funaki as a former and current WWE Champion... of all people... FUNAKI!?!? The man's a great worker but jeez!-- bulletproof 3:16 05:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I have moved this article to the main space. I have a few more things to do (copyedit, expand the lead, get rid of the trivia section, work on internal links, etc.). If anyone has any feedback, I'd love to hear it. GaryColemanFan 14:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
A user recently moved Khali's article to Dalip Singh Rana, without consensus as far as I can tell. Gavyn Sykes 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Well here's the thing; the article was moved to The Great Khali without consensus too. Considering he has an entire movie career as well under Dalip Singh the article being at The Great Khali really doesn't fall under WP:COMMONNAME, it's just his current ring name. Personally I feel it should be at Dalip Singh or Dalip Singh Rana. –– Lid( Talk) 22:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
New users are re-adding the roster list after it was agreed to no longer make use of these kinds of lists. Just thought I'd pass that along. Would really appreciate someone keeping an eye on the page.-- bulletproof 3:16 23:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Briscoe Brothers probably satisfies WP:GA. I've gone in and phrased more and more claims to be "out of universe." Is the next step listing it for GA, or going to peer review? I know there's probably no "right" or "wrong" answer, but what's usually the next step? Tromboneguy0186 20:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, yeah, I didn't have GA in the mind at that time, and I'm not positive I do now, either, but the more eyes on the article the better. Tromboneguy0186 00:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Could someone, in particular, help with a lead for the article? Tromboneguy0186 02:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I have no clue if this is true or vandalism, but users have been adding that John Morrison and The Miz won the tag titles at the Smackdown taping. First off, is this true? Either way, I can't revert those pages again, due to the 3RR, so any help restoring this vandalism/spoilers would be appreciated. Thanks. Gavyn Sykes 17:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I have two points to make:
Sources First of all, it is completely unlogical that Wikipedia tells us we need " sources" when we know things that are facts, or we see things with our own two eyes. "Example: if I gave my dog some food. Two hours later, no one has enterd the house, yet I see food on his plate. The only possible reason is that he didn't eat it. Wikipedia would just obligate me to find a source to see if someone else came into the house, poured him some food, and left as it is a possibility; or have a Gastro exam on my dog, to post the fact. It's outrageous."
Spoilers If someone went to the smackdown tapings and sees with his own to eyes that MVP and Hardy lost their titles, it should be posted. Regardless if this is a spoiler! This is an encyclopedia: WE POST FACTS! When we post the date of when someone loses their titles on Smackdown; do we make it tuesday or friday? We post it tuesday, regardless if it was aired on friday. Why? Because we post FACTS! and the fact is that they lost it on tuesday, even though the common knowledge of the event was made on friday. I understand if someone posts weekly match results, which is outrageous because it isn't important. But title reigns are significant, and should be posted, and if someone is mad because they were spoiled, they shouldn't have been checking our articles. If they want bios that are aligned with TV, then we should tell them to check [wwe.com wwe.com] Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 02:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
My opinion as of today is that if the results come from a reliable source (WWE or a local paper's report of the event for example), then it should be posted. Otherwise, it should be reverted for that reason alone. Being a spoiler always has been and always will be a weak excuse. Mshake3 06:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
The section below has been moved nearer to the bottom of the page to gather a consensus.
Maybe we should create a new page under the above name to outline WP:PW spoilers, and possibly copy-paste past discussions to that page, instead of having to look through all the archives. Opinions? Davnel03 15:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Before we go ahead and create a page, here are some guidlines out of the top of my head. Feel free to comment immediately after each guidline.
One or two of the above are probably not needed and useless, but I've just typed these up out of the top of my head. Leave comments in between each point, and discuss if anything seems wrong with the point I've made. Cheers! Davnel03 17:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I merged the information for 1994 and 1995 into the main article for King of the Ring because for some strange reason they were the only 2 years out of 17 that had their own articles. I think in the interest in uniformity that there should either be 1 article inclusive of all years, or separate articles for each year. Giving 1994 and 1995 special treatment does not make sense to me. Thoughts? Yagobo79 12:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
What do we feel about an IP adding {{Primarysources}} tag to some PPV related articles, see the IP's contributions. Should I revert? I'm not saying he's wrong, infact he's correct, but some of them ( WrestleMania 23 and SummerSlam (2007)) are still underconstruction, so should they be removed? Davnel03 17:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Leaderboard ready for COTW beginning 18th November:
This COTW could go possibly seven or eight different ways - your votes are needed to make sure your favourite becomes the COTW! This is the closest ever! You need to vote, otherwise your favourite will not be COTW, and some could be pruned... possibly seven! Davnel03 17:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Can the to do list have its own subpage? ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional Wrestling/To do list) Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 18:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
At the beginning it says the page is archived by Werdnabot, and at the end by Shadowbot. WHo is it really? Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 19:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Should it be noted that the crown was treated as a Championship that changed hands during more than one of the reigns?
Haku carried the crown after Race, and then it was contested in matches. Haku lost it to Duggan who lost it to Savage.
Then in 1993 Lawler defeated Bret at SummerSlam to become the "Undisputed King of the WWF". Should these people be noted as King of the Ring champions, or Kings of the WWF?
I feel that if there is an article noting the title history of the Million Dollar Championship, then surely these changes in the King of the Ring title, particularly those of Duggan and Savage, should also be recognized.
Yagobo79
03:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
...and I'm going to list Briscoe Brothers for GA. Please give feedback on the article's talk page as to what needs to be done (and as always, feel free to actually do it!) so as to better ensure its passage. Tromboneguy0186 05:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted Clonetrooper's edits on the Professional wrestling in Australia page as he insists on adding a little house show note called the Brisbane Cup. As it is only a house show it fails WP:N and yet he insists on posting it. I have told him that house show specific info is not notable - and I expect him to argue the point. Some help may be needed over this. !! Justa Punk !! 07:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Leaderboard ready for COTW beginning 18th November:
I'm disappointed by the lack of interest over at the COTW, and the lack of response from thr ocment above I made yesterday. If no one has supported the articles that are set to be pruned later today by 4pm ET, they WILL be pruned. Davnel03 15:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
User talk:Metal to the Max! Left a message on my userpage saying I was kicked from Pro Wrestling Project because I knew nothing about wrestling, and left me a link to Ron Simmon's talk page. I went there, and I saw a message from a few months back I left, saying damn wasn't his catch phrase, I only used it once (this was when he said it only once). He then responded on the talk page saying I wasn't a real fan, etc. Very ridiculous, so just watch out for him vandalizing...-- Kris ( talk) 20:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
It's been discussed before, but never has really been decided upon - is it time to finally create this? –– Lid( Talk) 23:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Is the above page really needed? The sections that compose the page, is just guidelines on how to post discussions. And all notices and discussions take action here, not there. So, I think the page isn't really needed. Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 18:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, above BMG stated the need for an area where we can compile guideline discussions for easy access later. I thought that was the point of the Notice Board...to add links to past discussions so when a disagreement arises, we have easy access to the relevant past discussion that may solve the problem. I think we should keep it, but actually utilize it. Nikki 311 21:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I am now finished writing this article. I would like to nominate if for GA status in the future (but obviously not for a while, since I want to nominate Royal Rumble (1994) and King of the Ring (1994) first). I would really appreciate it if a few people could look through it (and perhaps do some copyediting) and give me some feedback. Thank you to anyone who can help (and to TJ Spyke, who has alreayd been a big help). Oh yeah, and I don't feel right about assessing articles that I've contributed to, so I would also appreciate it if someone could look it over and decide if it's up to B-level. GaryColemanFan 23:58, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I've done the copyedit. One thing I did notice is that you alternate between both "The Undertaker" and "the Undertaker", as well as "The Headshrinkers" and "the Headshrinkers"...alternating whether the "the" is capitalized or not. If the "the" is part of the name, then it should be capitalized, and if it isn't a part of the official name, then it should remain lowercase. Either way, it is best to be consistent. Also, how do you feel about adding the "other on-screen talent" table that is located in some of the other pay-per-view articles (ex. WrestleMania III)? I rather like it because it removes the random list at the bottom of the page and breaks up the huge blocks of text....that's your call, though. Nikki 311 04:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give everyone a notice that User:Kevin Hotfury has gone and created this page without alerting us. -- Gavyn Sykes ( talk) 17:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
So, anybody else think we should put a speedy delete on Heavy on Wrestling, and all of its unnotable workers? Kris ( talk) 23:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/References is at MfD. -- Jreferee t/ c 01:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Judgment Day (2007) is now being created as a seperate article. This means that we now have the following as being expanded or have been expanded:
If anyone wishes to fill in the gaps and expand
TGAB 2007 and
Unforgiven 2007, please do. Also note that Armageddon 2007 will be split next weekend.
This is obviously a good thing, but is beginning to leave a huge amount of broken links in articles. Just as a note, make sure, either using AWB or something else to repair the links and send them to the right location! Dav nel 03 10:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
This page about a JCW event is in need of some serious work. Among others, the matches are described, poorly, in blow-by-blow style. I'll leave it to your capable hands as I'm not sure when and how to begin. -- _The Hiddey_ 10:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I did it! The Show/Hide bar is on the newsletter. Please go to User:Lex94/Sandbox and tell me if you like it this way. I prefer it this way because it doesn't take up much space on the talk page. Thoughts? Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 14:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for deletion, see here. I never normally notify the project about deletion debates, but this one seems different. Unlike others, looking at the article, it seems to have numerous reliable references and seems to satisfy notability. Am I wrong when I say that? I was a bit surprised when I seen the AFD notice. Dav nel 03 15:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Anybody else think Ricochet (wrestler) should be prodded? Kris ( talk) 23:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
This is goofy. On an article like Nelson Frazier, Jr. the move list is broken up into characters, which gives the impression (to me) that moves not under a character name weren't done unless they were being done as that character, but that's not true. So in order to rectify that someone decided to just repeat everything three times. There has got to be a better way to do this.«» bd( talk stalk) 00:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give everyone a notice that I've created the article The Great American Bash (2007). -- LAX 02:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
What the title says. Also, despite the fact WWE had 15 votes or so to become the COTW, not much progress was made in terms of referencing on the article, see the diff. Dav nel 03 10:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am going to work on the No Way Out (2007) article, as part of the PPV expansion, hopefully we will get all the 2007 ppv's expanded.-- TrUcO9311 ( talk) 18:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Later tonight, I'll begin work on New Year's Revolution (2007). Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 19:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
There's been two attempts at resolving a debate as to whether PWI rankings and awards and Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards should be included and nothing has really been resolved. Some see them as important wrestling honors and some see them as trivial bits of information. So, let's just get this out of the way once and for all. Should we:
1. Delete all PWI and WON material from the championships and accomplishments section.
2. Delete PWI rankings and WON awards from the championships and accomplishments section but leave the various PWI awards.
3. Keep all PWI and WON material as part of the championships and accomplishments section.
Odin's Beard
01:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the last WWF ppv and the upcoming Survivor Series have their own articles. What about starting new articles for each of the upcoming WWF ppv? It would be pretty easy considering the details of these events that occur leading up to the ppv would be fresh on everyone's mind and references would be ridiculously easy to locate. The reason I bring this up is cause I noticed users going back and creating pages for inconsequential PPVs (Backlash 07 & December to Dismember come to mind). They do excellent jobs, but I would imagine this process each month with a new PPV would be even easier as a group, given it's timing and would be beneficial down the road. Thoughts? -- Endless Dan 21:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I have nominated In Your House 1 for FA status. As a result of this discussion, please do not support it without leaving a comment. If you do have legitimate problems with the article, or if there is something you do not understand, please do say at the FAC, I don't mind. The other thing, about major contributers being allowed to vote doesn't really apply to this article, as I have made most of the contributions to the article. Thanks! Dav nel 03 13:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has undegone a peer review process and I informed members of the project one week ago that I would be nominating it for GA-status. My preference is that the review is done by someone outside of the project, as I want to avoid accusations of conflict of interest. And, as always, if you can see any problems with the article, please let me know. Thank you to everyone who has helped so much to get it to this level. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 00:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
If its alright with everyone, I'd like to create the Backlash 2006 article. Zenlax T C S 20:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The article is now available. But I need help completing it. Zenlax T C S 21:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I've passed Melina Perez and it is now a GA - I personally think that I'm capable of reviewing a pro wrestling article I haven't worked on but well since some people are weary of biased reviewing etc this will be the last GA Review I'll be doing. I know I can be fair & tough on these things but I'd rather not cause suspicion or finger pointing at the expense of this project so I'll refrain from GA Reviewing in the future. MPJ-DK ( talk) 22:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)