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Based on the suggestion of MrMurph101, maybe we should finally come up with a guideline for notability. A set of criteria that wrestlers/promotions/bookers/etc. have to pass in order to have articles. A few quick ones I think most people would agree with:
Thanks to sockpuppet extraordinaire JB196's vandalisms, the following wrestling pages are locked until June 14:
Just thought I'd bring this to everyone's attention. Nenog 05:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The articles are currently unlocked. And he's using open proxies, so there's not much we can do with that (since we don't have his IP address). BTW, the account count is now up to 350 Sockpuppets. (rolls eyes) SirFozzie 15:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Great news everyone!! I've been working on Nora Greenwald's article for a couple of weeks now (adding sources and cleaning it up), and it just passed its Good Article review. We have a new Good Article! This just proves that it is possible, and I hope it gives everyone some hope. Now, hopefully it doesn't get delisted in a few days like The Undertaker did. Nikki311 01:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
He's listed as having held them 3 times, with the numbers after each of his partners actually adding to 4. I've posted on his talk page, but nothing's been done about it. Which is correct? 3 or 4? Koberulz 06:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this or not, but I just discovered that the page had been stubbed by our old friend Burntsauce a week ago. -- Scorpion 0422 18:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I have restored some for now, the more difficult part is the have citation for the rest. Govvy 12:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
All of the statments about his wrestling career are sourced in his OWW external source, and his personal life is sourced on his Myspace page. If anybody removes anything else contact an admin, because everything is source, nothing states you need several sources for each statement. Kris 23:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
There are many ways to write TNA's NWA name (use of spacing/punctuation and writing the acronyms in full), many of these demonstrated in Wikipedia articles. Should we use just one or is it okay to keep all these variations? -- Aaru Bui DII 23:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I nominated the Nitro/Dykstra tag team page for deletion [ [1]]. First time I ever did the nomination, so tell me if I did it right or not. -- Jลмєs Mลxx™ Msg me 03:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
While going through all my merchandise, I found two interesting books: WWE Preview 2003 and the 2003 Yearbook. What's funny is that in the first one, it states that the World Heavyweight Title was a brand new title, while in the Yearbook, it states that it split off from the Undisputed title. Gotta love it. Mshake3 16:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I recently posted about Nora Greenwald becoming a Good Article. Well, now I'm having some issues that I need some help with. User:Summers95926, her self-proclaimed biggest fan, has been vandalizing the article by removing large chunks of it, saying that "Nora requests for it to be deleted." Whether or not she really does is not the issue. All the information is from interviews and articles, and if she wanted to keep her "private life private" like he claims, then she shouldn't have said mentioned it in the first place. Anyway, he also keeps adding tags to the article, claiming it needs clean-up, it is unencyclopedic, and he also tagged the entire article as unreferenced. Clearly it is not, or it would not have been made a good article. Is there anything that can be done about this. Can I report him for vandalism somewhere? Thanks for your help. Nikki311 23:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
You may be interested in this AFD to see another example of User:Summers95926 at work. S/he clearly has little knowledge/respect for Wikipedia policy and I would advise slapping a warning on the user if s/he continues in the current manner with Molly's article. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 22:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The Sandy Barr article is up for deletion. You can comment on the article's Afd Discussion Page. - T-75| talk| contribs 04:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
In case anyone is interested, the Professional wrestling aerial techniques article that just survived an AFD is up for a deletion review. The discussion can be found here. Nikki311 15:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Collaboration of the week has not been updated in almost a month, maybe it should be? Kris 02:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
For anyone who actually saw the PPV, would you agree with me that the tagline for the event is "Extreme Rules?" And if not, please explain why. Mshake3 04:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Remember that some third party citation might be helpful. I did add TV.com listing for the event, but it was removed. I feel at least some third party source should be on the page and it's a pretty good link to help confirm what you have on the page. Govvy 11:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Should this be split into other categories: Category:Xtreme Pro Wrestling. As of now: it's a place for XPW staff, wrestlers and championships. The category seems to be just a dumping ground for anything XPW related, which is bad and too broad, as most promotions have split off categories for the correct content. A championship category, and an alumni category should be used for most of the content, in my opinion. What does everyone else think about this? RobJ1981 04:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and put all the championships into their own category. Nenog 05:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
You know, just because a wrestler accompanies another wrestler to ringside one time, that doesn't make him a manager! Can we please set some standards over this? Mshake3 04:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Following some recent precedents of deleting and/or redirecting articles, I propose the following should be redirected to List of professional wrestling slang:
The above articles are mostly mere stubs that lack sources. Almost all of them consist of only a definition with lists of examples. In my opinion, they should all be redirected to List of professional wrestling slang, where a couple of sentences defining the meaning of the word would suffice. Long lists of examples of wrestlers who have made "vignettes" or who have "swerved" is really not needed. What does everyone else think? Should these articles be cut down and redirected? Nikki311 22:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to strike them off of the list as I get around to merging them. Nikki311 16:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
that a wrestler's dead wife is fair game for inclusion in his article, but the simple birth name is not in another's? Because one threw a bitchfit? Nosleep1234 23:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
To me this article keeps getting abused, it's suppost to be a biography of the Iron Sheik, yet for some reason there are IPs continuely putting what I would call non-biographical content in the article. My first suggestion is, shall we put this article on sprotect, my second query, content like this Brian Blair Conflict is not needed. I am maybe suggestion a consensus on the talk page to remove certain peices of content which you are more to see in some low life magazine. Govvy 09:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
So, because the Youtube video is a copyright violation, means it can't be a source? Why not? Because it is a copyright violation, it is not correct? 69.249.168.9 01:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
So you don't think it should be removed? Because it portrays a bad image, it's not exactly neutral content either!? Govvy 09:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Youtube videos which are copyright violations cannot be used as sources. Check your policies. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 23:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the Konan Big article should be put up for deletion. He is non-notable, and the article is plagued with grammar errors. 69.249.168.9 01:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should perhaps create an infobox for wrestling championships. And if so, what info should be included. I was thinking things like: first champion, current champion, date first issued, number of recognized champions, number of recognized reigns, which promotion its affiliated with, etc, etc. Thoughts? -- Scorpion 0422 03:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Somebody keeps removing the image on the Rodney Begnaud article, saying it is unneeded. So according to him all pictures from all biographies should be removed? Guys, just keep an eye out on this one, if he keeps removing it I will contact an admin. Kris 17:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think WP:PW should have a Board of Directors of some sort, which all are an authority above the rest of the newbies. Where people who actually can make a mature decision can actually do what's right. Instead of having an 8-yearold computer geek signing in, and ruining the WWE Roster page or the Triple Crown page, or writing in the WWE SD vs Raw 2008 page that he would like to see Christian Cage. We should give titles to the contributors. Lex94 04:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Figure that I should inform you guys at WP:PW that I’ve been prod’ing some articles that in my eyes do not warrant an article on Wikipedia. If you disagree you’ve got five days to address it and establish notability for the articles. Note If the prod is just removed without any attempt at establishing notability then I will put them up for AFD, so do everyone a favor – if you want to keep the article show notability please.
Big Mouth Loud, Blood Sweat and Ears, The Viet Cong Express, UWA Tag Team Championship, UWA Hardcore Wrestling, UWA Canadian Championship, UWA Light Heavyweight Championship, Al DeRusha, Al Diamond, Andrew Thomas (referee), Andrew brannan
I’m looking at the pro-wrestling stub lists so there will probably be more prods to come, I will be sure to inform the project when I prod a wrestling article MPJ-DK 15:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I had to add this article The Party Crashers - it's either a hoax or a couple of backyarders MPJ-DK 17:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Should the Oldest Champion list the age at the end of the champion's reign or the beginning? -- Aaru Bui DII 23:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
For the youngest, the day he won it. For the oldest, the day he lost it. And I say that it's "oldest to be champion", since that's how the articles are worded.
Is it necessary to have fictional categories in wrestling articles? I know that the wrestler is fictional if they are playing a character e.g. Kane, The Undertaker, The Boogeyman etc. but the article is actually about the person. Glen Jacobs' article has categories of fictional fire victims and fictional arsonists, which is saying that Glen Jacobs is fictional. - Deep Shadow 03:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the rule of thumb should be that when a wrestler and character are one, such as Y2J and HBK, then there is no problem, but when you consider Glen Jacobs, he was Isaac Yankem, then Fake Diesel, then Kane, so a distinction needs to be drawn. The same for Undertaker, and later Kane, when they has been portrayed by two wrestlers a separate page about the gimmick may be needed. Doink being the easiest example as he has been played by about eight different wrestlers it's a no brainer to have his page be just abour the gimmick, and not really about the wrestler behind the gimmick. But I wouldn't say that Dean Malenko needs two pages because Dean Simon is a different person to the gimmick. But the category would only include a few gimmicks, UT, Kane and Doink being the most obvious, and maybe the Boogeyman. I would have included the (Ultimate) Warrior but he is his gimmick now. Darrenhusted 12:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Since when was Kane/Undertaker played by more than one person? Koberulz 07:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I prod’ed the following non-notable wrestling referees – I think it’s been discussed here plenty of times that a referee needs to do more than just his job to warrant an individual entry on Wikipedia, at best on a ”List of referees” article or something.
Basil DeVito, Dewey Larson, John Finnegan, Gary DeRusha, Marty Rubalcaba, Robert Briskoe, Todd Sinclair
Feel free to show me that these people are notable enough for Wikipedia, I just don’t see it MPJ-DK 16:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I read the book Slaphappy: pride, prejudice, and professional wrestling and I wrote an article about it. I wrote it pretty quick, so I'll have to add and make changes to it over time. Please read it, and contribute what you can as you are wrestling fans. I don't think it will link to any specific article, but I think it definitely ties into the WikiProject.
If you have any questions or comments, let me know.-- Screwball23 talk 21:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
A relatively new user move the page to Latin American X-change without any prior discussion, now the name of the stable is Latin American Exchange the LAX initials are to make a pun on LAX, so can a admin move it back where it should be? at the moment that location is blocked by a redirect. - 凶 23:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
If a company names their championship in a certain way, and this naming is used on the chryon graphics, PPV promos, wrestler entrances (both verbally and visually), DVD box art, and on their website (with the incorrect naming appearing much less often), shouldn't the former be the official name of the article, or at the very least be allowed to have ONE FREAKIN MENTION? Mshake3 01:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Well it looks like I finally got my one freaking mention. And then some. Sigh. Mshake3 02:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
First of all, I'll respond to the YouTube clips later since the site is blocked here. I hope they're more than clips from the unification match, which doesn't really dispute my claims for the title name from the period after that through May 2002. Second, the belts weren't "unified", and named, until after the invasion angle, and after WCW was dropped from it's title name. Again, doesn't really dispute the era I'm referring to. Royal Rumble 02, No Way Out 02, WrestleMania X8, and Backlash 02 all show the correct title name in the ways I've mentioned above. In addition, why would there be an Undisputed WWF Championship and Undisputed WWE Championship redirect (not created by me) if that was never an official name? Mshake3 18:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I AfD'ed the minor European stable Swiss Money Holding because it fails WP:N and WP:V etc. Feel free to voice your opinion here: Swiss Money Holding AFD MPJ-DK 07:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
In my quest to clean up the wrestling content on Wikipedia I’ve prodded the following articles today.
Francisco Ciatso, Thomas Farra, Jeff Velocci, Chris Rombola, Russell Simpson (wrestler), Trenesha Biggers, Keith Walker
All for the same reason –Having signed a developmental deal with the WWE is in itself not enough to warrant an entry on Wikipedia. None are notable and in my view none of them would survive an AFD, but then again I could be wrong. MPJ-DK 08:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently added a few articles dealing with joshi puroresu and I've had second thoughts about a few of them in terms of notability. In particular, I may have been premature in creating an article on the recently formed SENDAI Girls' Pro Wrestling promotion. Do any of the more experienced members of the community have any advice on judging whether a particular wrestler or promotion from this area of pro wrestling has achieved sufficient notability to be included? I'm eager to help out, but I don't want to waste time writing stuff that will end up getting deleted-maybe my time would be better spent improving existing articles? Pure Josh 05:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I’ve been looking through the stubs sections and I see a bunch of WWF/WWE Shows that just seem to me like they’re not that notable for anything other than it being “A WWE Show”. I’d suggest merging a lot of these shows into one page like say “Minor WWF Television Shows”.
I’m not talking about Superstars of Wrestling or WWF Challenge, I’m suggesting that the following be put into one page.
I could do it myself but it’s a wrestling related move and it involves a bunch of pages so I figured I’d suggest it here rather than just doing it MPJ-DK 10:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I thought Xperience was deleted, or at least redirected to The WWE Experience, as it was an early name for the show that airs on Sunday nights on The Score Television Network in Canada (this according to WON). It's moot because both articles are out of date ( Ryan Paton is no longer with The Score, and it's hosted by either Sid Seixero, Derek Snider, or Glen Schiller, and in the international Experience, Romero is no longer with WWE). Anyways... kelvSYC 04:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The undisputed title was nothing but the WWE Title with an "undisputed" claim due to the demise of WCW. For all intents, they are the same championship and should be in the same article. Mshake3 20:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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I've nominated the following for deletion:
Nenog 07:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have a lot of questions as to some regulations on Pro Wrestling on Wikipedia.
1. Why can't matches announced on tv, for ppv or tv, be added to wrestlers articles?
2. Why are pages like John Cena and recently Vince McMahon always locked for some reason?
3. Why are all additions to pages removed by the likes of The Hybrid or BMG? They are not the bosses of Wikipedia. I thought that wikipedia was avalible for anyone to edit.
4. Trivia that is very important to articles is always removed but useless information is added in by the bucket load. ie. John Cena's crowd reactions at WM 22 and 23, ONS 2 and during his feuds with Y2J Angle Edge HHH HBK and many others, yet the color of his shoes is added on a regular basis. Cena's audience backlash and the 5-6 moves of doom are allways deleted but they are both very important and are mentioned on tv nonstop whenever he is on tv.
Something has to be done about these problems or a lot of people looking for information are gonna be left in the dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.21.121 ( talk • contribs)
The reactions at WM22 and WM23 were important as the crowd doesn't normally boo the top babyface, especially when he is WWE Champion, I have no idea about "the bucket load.", nor "the color of his shoes", from your questions it seems you want to edit the Cena pages, but can't because you are not registered. As for the "5-6 moves of doom" and them being "allways" deleted, I can't say I have ever heard JR or the King mention the "5-6 moves of doom", so they must be OR or NN. Darrenhusted 23:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Since a few of us have ideas on how we should display the draft results, I'd figure this would be a good place to show them off. Then we can vote. Mshake3 18:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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Match and Draft Results | |
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Edge beat John Cena via countout | The Great Khali and Runjin Singh to Smackdown! |
CM Punk beat Carlito | The Boogeyman to ECW |
Umaga beat Balls Mahoney | King Booker and Queen Sharmell to RAW |
Bobby Lashley beat Chris Benoit | Chris Benoit to ECW |
MVP beat Santino Marella | Torrie Wilson to Smackdown! |
The Miz beat Snitsky via decision reversal | Chris Masters to Smackdown! |
Candice Michelle beat Kristal | Bobby Lashley to RAW |
Batista beat Jeff Hardy and Elijah Burke in a triple threat match | Ric Flair to Smackdown! |
Randy Orton won a Battle Royal to win 2 draft picks | Snitsky and Mr. Kennedy to RAW |
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RAW | SmackDown! | ECW |
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King Booker and Queen Sharmell | The Great Khali and Runjin Singh | The Boogeyman |
Bobby Lashley | Torrie Wilson | Chris Benoit |
Snitsky | Chris Masters | N/A |
Mr. Kennedy | Ric Flair | N/A |
Check these out:
Should we AFD them? I think there are preceedents. Biggspowd 18:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Without a doubt the Benoit and Guerrero article can be deleted, as it has a "Match history" section showing they had a grand total of four matches. The Benoit and Malenko article can also be deleted as the ECW stuff (aside from the win/loss date for the tag titles) is covered in Triple Threat, the WCW section is covered in Four Horsemen, and the WWF stuff is covered in The Radicalz. Nenog 22:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Owen and Bulldog ended up joining Bret during the Austin feud then they split after the montreal screwjob, Owen and Yoko are notable as are HBK and Nash, the other three could go. Darrenhusted 23:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated the bottom three for deletion. Nenog 07:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
It seems like TJ Spyke (and a few of his friends) are the only ones strongly against them. Recent example: SummerSlam (2005). Legend vs Icon was the tagline for the Hogan/Michaels match. It was mentioned alot before the event, and is even mentioned on the DVD case. Considering event taglines are always listed, why is there such a need by a select few to remove match taglines? Match taglines are mentioned just as much (if not more in some cases) as event taglines. I think this should be an all or nothing case, being picky about keeping one and then always removing the other is a bit hypocritical and point of view. What does everyone else think? RobJ1981 04:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
WWE has published a championship magazine which traces the history of all nine active championships. It is on newsstands now price £4.50 (in the UK), ISSN 1057-4476. The question would be why is this important, and the answer is simple, within its 102 pages it sorts out a few issues.
It also confirms that the IC title goes back to 1979, the World Tag titles started in 1971 and the WWE title started in 1963. In terms of title histories this is the published source we have needed, and it clears up two major controversies. Darrenhusted 17:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Question: is Kurt Angle listed as a two time "World Heavyweight Champion?" Mshake3 17:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Might I add that I noted above that WWE already has two printed pieces of material that state both sitatuations as being correct. Mshake3 17:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
The bulk of the pages cover the title changes for the main two titles, when a champion wins the title for the first time a legend is listed, for the win on the 13/1/06 there are two legends, one listing the title as vacant and the other listing is as a gimmick match (the gimmick being the battle royale), no where does it list this victory as being Kurt Angle's first with that title. (I do also own the 2003 preview, in it it also doesn't state the LHW and CW merged.) Darrenhusted 17:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Out of curiosity since I haven't seen the book yet, does the ECW World Title history start at Shane Douglas or Jimmy Snuka? The List of ECW World Champions list is now the only one of the current title histories without sources and the recent stance in WWE.com has me in circles. -- Oakster 21:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I was looking at World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) and viewed the source at wwe.com, and the source says the title traces its lineages back to the WCW and NWA World titles. - T-75| talk| contribs 03:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that Category:French professional wrestling promotions, Category:Irish professional wrestling promotions, Category:Italian professional wrestling promotions, and Category:German professional wrestling promotions should be combined into Category:European professional wrestling promotions? Each of those four categories only has one promotion listed under them. Nenog 01:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, if a match is announced on a PPV commercial, you can't add that to the article. In fact, doing this is apparently considered "vandalism" around here.
Who writes these stupid rules anyway? Mshake3 02:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Seems like another clash between WP:CRYSTAL and our project kayfabe policies to me (the kayfabe policy prevents announcing SD title changes as though it was "future event" even though it's taped in the past deal). People have been taking up issue between how the two apparently clash. I'd stay out of the argument, though. kelvSYC 04:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
For example, Vengeance is advertised as "night of the champions" and even features Bobby Lashley on the poster holding the ECW title, next to Edge and John Cena, now, Mshake3, what is wrong with the poster as of today? Bobby Lashley isn't ECW champion, so it's not possible to include an ECW title match even though most cable companies will have Bobby Lashley ECW champion in their press releases from WWE, and even though any house shows advertised for the day before or after will be listing Bobby Lashley ECW champion on their advertising. Even though WWE or TNA (or even UFC) have announced a match doesn't mean it will happen. Darrenhusted 11:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Let me state my opinion on a couple other things. Last year, the early PPV ads said that DX would be reunited at Vengeance. However, they didn't say they'd be wrestling, and a regular appearence isn't notable, so a match couldn't be listed in the article. Bad Blood 03. The PPV ad said it would be Goldberg vs. HHH. Obviously, that never happened. However, until it was said otherwise on cable TV, that was the announced main event, and it should have been in the article at the time. No Way Out 2004 said it would be Brock vs. Eddie. Under these current rules, despite being an official commercial, we couldn't add it to the article because no contender had yet to be determined in the on air storyline. Remember, it's not a spoiler if WWE is showing commercials promoting the match. So what I'm saying is that if they announce match early, then until said otherwise, it's going to happen, and should be noted as such. Mshake3 17:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Eh, we're all stubborn. We'll cut our noses off to spite our faces (or however it goes). As for those images, it's graphical placement. I'm not going to get into a screencap war. All this shows is an alternative naming to the official term, mine. And yes, ring announcers and box art graphics released that year count. Mshake3 21:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I've gotta say that all WWE/WWF titles are referred to with the Company Name then Title Name, I've never known it be the other way round, and I wouldn't rely on box art as box art can quite easily be changed to retcon something. In this case the policy being followed is accurately reporting what happened, I don't know why that is a big problem, let's not end up with another entry on here [30]. Darrenhusted 22:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Would someone like to deal with this rather large walled garden please? See Special:Contributions/Cwmoneybags for full details. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 12:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Those articles in addition to all the articles related here XCW Pro Wrestling & No Limit Pro Wrestling are part of what makes the wrestling articles seem crufty & waste of space. MPJ-DK 16:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
PROD was removed three times, it is now AfD at this page [31]. Darrenhusted 01:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
All related articles are now grouped together. Darrenhusted 12:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
WWE says on Raw that every championship will be defended on Vengeance. Seems like enough of a reason to list every match, no? Mshake3 20:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
No. Wait until they are either announced as being defended, or the event happens and they were defended. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Darrenhusted 22:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
If you want to add stuff that has been announced, then Ric Flair vs MVP (US title) and Chavo vs Yang (CW) have been announced and are listed here [34], better than TBA. Darrenhusted 23:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I should also mention that a commercial just aired, once again saying that every title will be on the line, including showing images of every champion. So it appears that the only problem you all have is that I'm "predicting" that the other matches are one on one. And if you have a problem with that, well that's just sad. Mshake3 01:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
If we're not going to list matches because injuries, backstage politics, and changes in creative direction could result in a different card, why bother listing any matches until after the PPV? If listing every champion vs TBA is a violation of the crystal ball policy, then so is listing the WWE title open invitational, and the WHC match. Batista, Edge, Foley, Booker, Cena, Orton, and anyone else involved in either of those matches could get injured. Ergo, it's not a certainty to happen. Ergo, it's crystal-balling. IMO, neither are examples of crystal-balling, they're listing announced matches. All have been announced, and all are subject to change. Koberulz 10:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC) You know what, fine, do whatever. But with TBD listed it gives an opportunity for vandals to keep changing them to names and trying to guess the matches, or for Newbies to fill the remaining PPV pages with TBD vs TBD. So long as all those above who stated their wish to have TBD on the page have it on their watchlist so they can revert any vandalism then I ain't gonna protest. Darrenhusted 12:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, you're the only one disagreeing, as the only one who agrees with you has said to go ahead and change it. Decisions might not be determined by a democracy, but when it's one against the rest, then the majority is the way to go. Mshake3 23:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently there has been a discussion at WP:FLC as to whether List of members of the WWE Hall of Fame should be promoted as a Featured List. Currently, there is one objection that has not been dealt with. That is, should the inductors' names be included on this list, or should they be omiited. One user, Shudda.nz, does not believe so and has not withdrawn his/her objection from the subpage, while all other editors in the discussion believe that Shudda's objection is unwarrented, as they believe the inductors' names should be included. I request further comments from WP:PW in order to try to reach a consensus on this list.-- 十 八 02:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
[35]---- La Parka Your Car 03:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed content from these unsourced articles. If someone would like to prod them, feel free. [36]---- La Parka Your Car 04:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
User:TV2007 is trying to separate Mark Calaway from The Undertaker by changing the article to be just about the gimmick. I have already made 3 reverts and stated why the article is titled The Undertaker but they won't listen. Apparently I own the article. They're also saying they cleaned the article but even afterwards it was still a mess. Got to love newbies! :P - Deep Shadow 10:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The user above has shown that he wants ownership over articles and incivility. His edit summary has been "leave the article alone". He's also referring to me as a "newbie" which isn't very civil. The article was called Undertaker and I have a right to make the changes to be about the Undertaker and not about EVERY SINGLE match the guy has had and not so much about Mark Calaway. That needs to be on a separate article. TV2007 11:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, if you want an article that's just about The Undertaker, go to Personas of The Undertaker. - Deep Shadow 11:10, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Deep Shadow admitted even admits himself that he's acting defensive with me and is using bad faith (referring to my corrections as antics), right here [ [37]]. As for your comment, anyone can change the article now but you can't. That's what wikipedia is. If you see a change you don't like and it's not vandalism and something that you think is accurate, you can add it or change, but you really can't tell me, 'leave it alone', call my edits antics, refer to me as a newbie, threaten to report me. It was all uncivil. You can't even accuse me of being a vandal either really. Article says Undertaker so I changed it. Someone else may change it back and they have a right to do that, but I am not going to tell them to leave it alone and threaten to report them and everything you did. [You got defensive and it may hurt sometimes to see your hard edits removed, but that can sometimes happen on wikipedia TV2007 11:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh no, I am not going to revert the page again. Thank you Lid :) More than anything, it was Deep Shadow's behavior that was my problem TV2007 11:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
guys, enough. It's done! TV2007 15:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Everyone needs to just drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass in situations like this one... Bmg916 Speak 17:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
lmao! :D I agree with Bmg916. Loved that drop the stick article by the way TV2007 18:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article be at Deuce and Domino? The on screen graphic for the team is Deuce & Domino or Deuce and Domino I believe. I don't think I've ever seen Deuce 'N Domino used. The & symbol certainly doesn't mean 'N (if that's the case of why the team is at that article). RobJ1981 12:51, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
14:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The wording in tonight's TNA Road to Slammiversary special would indicate that the TNA Champion crowned this Sunday would be the title's first champion, as opposed to the third, with Cage and Angle coming before. At the same time, however, the final video package will show every former World Champion of the TNA era, and that included Angle.
Just something to think about. Mshake3 04:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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Based on the suggestion of MrMurph101, maybe we should finally come up with a guideline for notability. A set of criteria that wrestlers/promotions/bookers/etc. have to pass in order to have articles. A few quick ones I think most people would agree with:
Thanks to sockpuppet extraordinaire JB196's vandalisms, the following wrestling pages are locked until June 14:
Just thought I'd bring this to everyone's attention. Nenog 05:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The articles are currently unlocked. And he's using open proxies, so there's not much we can do with that (since we don't have his IP address). BTW, the account count is now up to 350 Sockpuppets. (rolls eyes) SirFozzie 15:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Great news everyone!! I've been working on Nora Greenwald's article for a couple of weeks now (adding sources and cleaning it up), and it just passed its Good Article review. We have a new Good Article! This just proves that it is possible, and I hope it gives everyone some hope. Now, hopefully it doesn't get delisted in a few days like The Undertaker did. Nikki311 01:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
He's listed as having held them 3 times, with the numbers after each of his partners actually adding to 4. I've posted on his talk page, but nothing's been done about it. Which is correct? 3 or 4? Koberulz 06:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this or not, but I just discovered that the page had been stubbed by our old friend Burntsauce a week ago. -- Scorpion 0422 18:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I have restored some for now, the more difficult part is the have citation for the rest. Govvy 12:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
All of the statments about his wrestling career are sourced in his OWW external source, and his personal life is sourced on his Myspace page. If anybody removes anything else contact an admin, because everything is source, nothing states you need several sources for each statement. Kris 23:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
There are many ways to write TNA's NWA name (use of spacing/punctuation and writing the acronyms in full), many of these demonstrated in Wikipedia articles. Should we use just one or is it okay to keep all these variations? -- Aaru Bui DII 23:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I nominated the Nitro/Dykstra tag team page for deletion [ [1]]. First time I ever did the nomination, so tell me if I did it right or not. -- Jลмєs Mลxx™ Msg me 03:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
While going through all my merchandise, I found two interesting books: WWE Preview 2003 and the 2003 Yearbook. What's funny is that in the first one, it states that the World Heavyweight Title was a brand new title, while in the Yearbook, it states that it split off from the Undisputed title. Gotta love it. Mshake3 16:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I recently posted about Nora Greenwald becoming a Good Article. Well, now I'm having some issues that I need some help with. User:Summers95926, her self-proclaimed biggest fan, has been vandalizing the article by removing large chunks of it, saying that "Nora requests for it to be deleted." Whether or not she really does is not the issue. All the information is from interviews and articles, and if she wanted to keep her "private life private" like he claims, then she shouldn't have said mentioned it in the first place. Anyway, he also keeps adding tags to the article, claiming it needs clean-up, it is unencyclopedic, and he also tagged the entire article as unreferenced. Clearly it is not, or it would not have been made a good article. Is there anything that can be done about this. Can I report him for vandalism somewhere? Thanks for your help. Nikki311 23:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
You may be interested in this AFD to see another example of User:Summers95926 at work. S/he clearly has little knowledge/respect for Wikipedia policy and I would advise slapping a warning on the user if s/he continues in the current manner with Molly's article. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 22:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The Sandy Barr article is up for deletion. You can comment on the article's Afd Discussion Page. - T-75| talk| contribs 04:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
In case anyone is interested, the Professional wrestling aerial techniques article that just survived an AFD is up for a deletion review. The discussion can be found here. Nikki311 15:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Collaboration of the week has not been updated in almost a month, maybe it should be? Kris 02:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
For anyone who actually saw the PPV, would you agree with me that the tagline for the event is "Extreme Rules?" And if not, please explain why. Mshake3 04:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Remember that some third party citation might be helpful. I did add TV.com listing for the event, but it was removed. I feel at least some third party source should be on the page and it's a pretty good link to help confirm what you have on the page. Govvy 11:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Should this be split into other categories: Category:Xtreme Pro Wrestling. As of now: it's a place for XPW staff, wrestlers and championships. The category seems to be just a dumping ground for anything XPW related, which is bad and too broad, as most promotions have split off categories for the correct content. A championship category, and an alumni category should be used for most of the content, in my opinion. What does everyone else think about this? RobJ1981 04:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and put all the championships into their own category. Nenog 05:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
You know, just because a wrestler accompanies another wrestler to ringside one time, that doesn't make him a manager! Can we please set some standards over this? Mshake3 04:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Following some recent precedents of deleting and/or redirecting articles, I propose the following should be redirected to List of professional wrestling slang:
The above articles are mostly mere stubs that lack sources. Almost all of them consist of only a definition with lists of examples. In my opinion, they should all be redirected to List of professional wrestling slang, where a couple of sentences defining the meaning of the word would suffice. Long lists of examples of wrestlers who have made "vignettes" or who have "swerved" is really not needed. What does everyone else think? Should these articles be cut down and redirected? Nikki311 22:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to strike them off of the list as I get around to merging them. Nikki311 16:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
that a wrestler's dead wife is fair game for inclusion in his article, but the simple birth name is not in another's? Because one threw a bitchfit? Nosleep1234 23:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
To me this article keeps getting abused, it's suppost to be a biography of the Iron Sheik, yet for some reason there are IPs continuely putting what I would call non-biographical content in the article. My first suggestion is, shall we put this article on sprotect, my second query, content like this Brian Blair Conflict is not needed. I am maybe suggestion a consensus on the talk page to remove certain peices of content which you are more to see in some low life magazine. Govvy 09:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
So, because the Youtube video is a copyright violation, means it can't be a source? Why not? Because it is a copyright violation, it is not correct? 69.249.168.9 01:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
So you don't think it should be removed? Because it portrays a bad image, it's not exactly neutral content either!? Govvy 09:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Youtube videos which are copyright violations cannot be used as sources. Check your policies. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 23:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the Konan Big article should be put up for deletion. He is non-notable, and the article is plagued with grammar errors. 69.249.168.9 01:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should perhaps create an infobox for wrestling championships. And if so, what info should be included. I was thinking things like: first champion, current champion, date first issued, number of recognized champions, number of recognized reigns, which promotion its affiliated with, etc, etc. Thoughts? -- Scorpion 0422 03:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Somebody keeps removing the image on the Rodney Begnaud article, saying it is unneeded. So according to him all pictures from all biographies should be removed? Guys, just keep an eye out on this one, if he keeps removing it I will contact an admin. Kris 17:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think WP:PW should have a Board of Directors of some sort, which all are an authority above the rest of the newbies. Where people who actually can make a mature decision can actually do what's right. Instead of having an 8-yearold computer geek signing in, and ruining the WWE Roster page or the Triple Crown page, or writing in the WWE SD vs Raw 2008 page that he would like to see Christian Cage. We should give titles to the contributors. Lex94 04:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Figure that I should inform you guys at WP:PW that I’ve been prod’ing some articles that in my eyes do not warrant an article on Wikipedia. If you disagree you’ve got five days to address it and establish notability for the articles. Note If the prod is just removed without any attempt at establishing notability then I will put them up for AFD, so do everyone a favor – if you want to keep the article show notability please.
Big Mouth Loud, Blood Sweat and Ears, The Viet Cong Express, UWA Tag Team Championship, UWA Hardcore Wrestling, UWA Canadian Championship, UWA Light Heavyweight Championship, Al DeRusha, Al Diamond, Andrew Thomas (referee), Andrew brannan
I’m looking at the pro-wrestling stub lists so there will probably be more prods to come, I will be sure to inform the project when I prod a wrestling article MPJ-DK 15:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I had to add this article The Party Crashers - it's either a hoax or a couple of backyarders MPJ-DK 17:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Should the Oldest Champion list the age at the end of the champion's reign or the beginning? -- Aaru Bui DII 23:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
For the youngest, the day he won it. For the oldest, the day he lost it. And I say that it's "oldest to be champion", since that's how the articles are worded.
Is it necessary to have fictional categories in wrestling articles? I know that the wrestler is fictional if they are playing a character e.g. Kane, The Undertaker, The Boogeyman etc. but the article is actually about the person. Glen Jacobs' article has categories of fictional fire victims and fictional arsonists, which is saying that Glen Jacobs is fictional. - Deep Shadow 03:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the rule of thumb should be that when a wrestler and character are one, such as Y2J and HBK, then there is no problem, but when you consider Glen Jacobs, he was Isaac Yankem, then Fake Diesel, then Kane, so a distinction needs to be drawn. The same for Undertaker, and later Kane, when they has been portrayed by two wrestlers a separate page about the gimmick may be needed. Doink being the easiest example as he has been played by about eight different wrestlers it's a no brainer to have his page be just abour the gimmick, and not really about the wrestler behind the gimmick. But I wouldn't say that Dean Malenko needs two pages because Dean Simon is a different person to the gimmick. But the category would only include a few gimmicks, UT, Kane and Doink being the most obvious, and maybe the Boogeyman. I would have included the (Ultimate) Warrior but he is his gimmick now. Darrenhusted 12:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Since when was Kane/Undertaker played by more than one person? Koberulz 07:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I prod’ed the following non-notable wrestling referees – I think it’s been discussed here plenty of times that a referee needs to do more than just his job to warrant an individual entry on Wikipedia, at best on a ”List of referees” article or something.
Basil DeVito, Dewey Larson, John Finnegan, Gary DeRusha, Marty Rubalcaba, Robert Briskoe, Todd Sinclair
Feel free to show me that these people are notable enough for Wikipedia, I just don’t see it MPJ-DK 16:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I read the book Slaphappy: pride, prejudice, and professional wrestling and I wrote an article about it. I wrote it pretty quick, so I'll have to add and make changes to it over time. Please read it, and contribute what you can as you are wrestling fans. I don't think it will link to any specific article, but I think it definitely ties into the WikiProject.
If you have any questions or comments, let me know.-- Screwball23 talk 21:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
A relatively new user move the page to Latin American X-change without any prior discussion, now the name of the stable is Latin American Exchange the LAX initials are to make a pun on LAX, so can a admin move it back where it should be? at the moment that location is blocked by a redirect. - 凶 23:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
If a company names their championship in a certain way, and this naming is used on the chryon graphics, PPV promos, wrestler entrances (both verbally and visually), DVD box art, and on their website (with the incorrect naming appearing much less often), shouldn't the former be the official name of the article, or at the very least be allowed to have ONE FREAKIN MENTION? Mshake3 01:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Well it looks like I finally got my one freaking mention. And then some. Sigh. Mshake3 02:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
First of all, I'll respond to the YouTube clips later since the site is blocked here. I hope they're more than clips from the unification match, which doesn't really dispute my claims for the title name from the period after that through May 2002. Second, the belts weren't "unified", and named, until after the invasion angle, and after WCW was dropped from it's title name. Again, doesn't really dispute the era I'm referring to. Royal Rumble 02, No Way Out 02, WrestleMania X8, and Backlash 02 all show the correct title name in the ways I've mentioned above. In addition, why would there be an Undisputed WWF Championship and Undisputed WWE Championship redirect (not created by me) if that was never an official name? Mshake3 18:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I AfD'ed the minor European stable Swiss Money Holding because it fails WP:N and WP:V etc. Feel free to voice your opinion here: Swiss Money Holding AFD MPJ-DK 07:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
In my quest to clean up the wrestling content on Wikipedia I’ve prodded the following articles today.
Francisco Ciatso, Thomas Farra, Jeff Velocci, Chris Rombola, Russell Simpson (wrestler), Trenesha Biggers, Keith Walker
All for the same reason –Having signed a developmental deal with the WWE is in itself not enough to warrant an entry on Wikipedia. None are notable and in my view none of them would survive an AFD, but then again I could be wrong. MPJ-DK 08:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently added a few articles dealing with joshi puroresu and I've had second thoughts about a few of them in terms of notability. In particular, I may have been premature in creating an article on the recently formed SENDAI Girls' Pro Wrestling promotion. Do any of the more experienced members of the community have any advice on judging whether a particular wrestler or promotion from this area of pro wrestling has achieved sufficient notability to be included? I'm eager to help out, but I don't want to waste time writing stuff that will end up getting deleted-maybe my time would be better spent improving existing articles? Pure Josh 05:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I’ve been looking through the stubs sections and I see a bunch of WWF/WWE Shows that just seem to me like they’re not that notable for anything other than it being “A WWE Show”. I’d suggest merging a lot of these shows into one page like say “Minor WWF Television Shows”.
I’m not talking about Superstars of Wrestling or WWF Challenge, I’m suggesting that the following be put into one page.
I could do it myself but it’s a wrestling related move and it involves a bunch of pages so I figured I’d suggest it here rather than just doing it MPJ-DK 10:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I thought Xperience was deleted, or at least redirected to The WWE Experience, as it was an early name for the show that airs on Sunday nights on The Score Television Network in Canada (this according to WON). It's moot because both articles are out of date ( Ryan Paton is no longer with The Score, and it's hosted by either Sid Seixero, Derek Snider, or Glen Schiller, and in the international Experience, Romero is no longer with WWE). Anyways... kelvSYC 04:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The undisputed title was nothing but the WWE Title with an "undisputed" claim due to the demise of WCW. For all intents, they are the same championship and should be in the same article. Mshake3 20:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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I've nominated the following for deletion:
Nenog 07:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have a lot of questions as to some regulations on Pro Wrestling on Wikipedia.
1. Why can't matches announced on tv, for ppv or tv, be added to wrestlers articles?
2. Why are pages like John Cena and recently Vince McMahon always locked for some reason?
3. Why are all additions to pages removed by the likes of The Hybrid or BMG? They are not the bosses of Wikipedia. I thought that wikipedia was avalible for anyone to edit.
4. Trivia that is very important to articles is always removed but useless information is added in by the bucket load. ie. John Cena's crowd reactions at WM 22 and 23, ONS 2 and during his feuds with Y2J Angle Edge HHH HBK and many others, yet the color of his shoes is added on a regular basis. Cena's audience backlash and the 5-6 moves of doom are allways deleted but they are both very important and are mentioned on tv nonstop whenever he is on tv.
Something has to be done about these problems or a lot of people looking for information are gonna be left in the dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.21.121 ( talk • contribs)
The reactions at WM22 and WM23 were important as the crowd doesn't normally boo the top babyface, especially when he is WWE Champion, I have no idea about "the bucket load.", nor "the color of his shoes", from your questions it seems you want to edit the Cena pages, but can't because you are not registered. As for the "5-6 moves of doom" and them being "allways" deleted, I can't say I have ever heard JR or the King mention the "5-6 moves of doom", so they must be OR or NN. Darrenhusted 23:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Since a few of us have ideas on how we should display the draft results, I'd figure this would be a good place to show them off. Then we can vote. Mshake3 18:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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Match and Draft Results | |
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Edge beat John Cena via countout | The Great Khali and Runjin Singh to Smackdown! |
CM Punk beat Carlito | The Boogeyman to ECW |
Umaga beat Balls Mahoney | King Booker and Queen Sharmell to RAW |
Bobby Lashley beat Chris Benoit | Chris Benoit to ECW |
MVP beat Santino Marella | Torrie Wilson to Smackdown! |
The Miz beat Snitsky via decision reversal | Chris Masters to Smackdown! |
Candice Michelle beat Kristal | Bobby Lashley to RAW |
Batista beat Jeff Hardy and Elijah Burke in a triple threat match | Ric Flair to Smackdown! |
Randy Orton won a Battle Royal to win 2 draft picks | Snitsky and Mr. Kennedy to RAW |
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RAW | SmackDown! | ECW |
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King Booker and Queen Sharmell | The Great Khali and Runjin Singh | The Boogeyman |
Bobby Lashley | Torrie Wilson | Chris Benoit |
Snitsky | Chris Masters | N/A |
Mr. Kennedy | Ric Flair | N/A |
Check these out:
Should we AFD them? I think there are preceedents. Biggspowd 18:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Without a doubt the Benoit and Guerrero article can be deleted, as it has a "Match history" section showing they had a grand total of four matches. The Benoit and Malenko article can also be deleted as the ECW stuff (aside from the win/loss date for the tag titles) is covered in Triple Threat, the WCW section is covered in Four Horsemen, and the WWF stuff is covered in The Radicalz. Nenog 22:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Owen and Bulldog ended up joining Bret during the Austin feud then they split after the montreal screwjob, Owen and Yoko are notable as are HBK and Nash, the other three could go. Darrenhusted 23:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated the bottom three for deletion. Nenog 07:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
It seems like TJ Spyke (and a few of his friends) are the only ones strongly against them. Recent example: SummerSlam (2005). Legend vs Icon was the tagline for the Hogan/Michaels match. It was mentioned alot before the event, and is even mentioned on the DVD case. Considering event taglines are always listed, why is there such a need by a select few to remove match taglines? Match taglines are mentioned just as much (if not more in some cases) as event taglines. I think this should be an all or nothing case, being picky about keeping one and then always removing the other is a bit hypocritical and point of view. What does everyone else think? RobJ1981 04:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
WWE has published a championship magazine which traces the history of all nine active championships. It is on newsstands now price £4.50 (in the UK), ISSN 1057-4476. The question would be why is this important, and the answer is simple, within its 102 pages it sorts out a few issues.
It also confirms that the IC title goes back to 1979, the World Tag titles started in 1971 and the WWE title started in 1963. In terms of title histories this is the published source we have needed, and it clears up two major controversies. Darrenhusted 17:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Question: is Kurt Angle listed as a two time "World Heavyweight Champion?" Mshake3 17:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Might I add that I noted above that WWE already has two printed pieces of material that state both sitatuations as being correct. Mshake3 17:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
The bulk of the pages cover the title changes for the main two titles, when a champion wins the title for the first time a legend is listed, for the win on the 13/1/06 there are two legends, one listing the title as vacant and the other listing is as a gimmick match (the gimmick being the battle royale), no where does it list this victory as being Kurt Angle's first with that title. (I do also own the 2003 preview, in it it also doesn't state the LHW and CW merged.) Darrenhusted 17:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Out of curiosity since I haven't seen the book yet, does the ECW World Title history start at Shane Douglas or Jimmy Snuka? The List of ECW World Champions list is now the only one of the current title histories without sources and the recent stance in WWE.com has me in circles. -- Oakster 21:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I was looking at World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) and viewed the source at wwe.com, and the source says the title traces its lineages back to the WCW and NWA World titles. - T-75| talk| contribs 03:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that Category:French professional wrestling promotions, Category:Irish professional wrestling promotions, Category:Italian professional wrestling promotions, and Category:German professional wrestling promotions should be combined into Category:European professional wrestling promotions? Each of those four categories only has one promotion listed under them. Nenog 01:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, if a match is announced on a PPV commercial, you can't add that to the article. In fact, doing this is apparently considered "vandalism" around here.
Who writes these stupid rules anyway? Mshake3 02:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Seems like another clash between WP:CRYSTAL and our project kayfabe policies to me (the kayfabe policy prevents announcing SD title changes as though it was "future event" even though it's taped in the past deal). People have been taking up issue between how the two apparently clash. I'd stay out of the argument, though. kelvSYC 04:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
For example, Vengeance is advertised as "night of the champions" and even features Bobby Lashley on the poster holding the ECW title, next to Edge and John Cena, now, Mshake3, what is wrong with the poster as of today? Bobby Lashley isn't ECW champion, so it's not possible to include an ECW title match even though most cable companies will have Bobby Lashley ECW champion in their press releases from WWE, and even though any house shows advertised for the day before or after will be listing Bobby Lashley ECW champion on their advertising. Even though WWE or TNA (or even UFC) have announced a match doesn't mean it will happen. Darrenhusted 11:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Let me state my opinion on a couple other things. Last year, the early PPV ads said that DX would be reunited at Vengeance. However, they didn't say they'd be wrestling, and a regular appearence isn't notable, so a match couldn't be listed in the article. Bad Blood 03. The PPV ad said it would be Goldberg vs. HHH. Obviously, that never happened. However, until it was said otherwise on cable TV, that was the announced main event, and it should have been in the article at the time. No Way Out 2004 said it would be Brock vs. Eddie. Under these current rules, despite being an official commercial, we couldn't add it to the article because no contender had yet to be determined in the on air storyline. Remember, it's not a spoiler if WWE is showing commercials promoting the match. So what I'm saying is that if they announce match early, then until said otherwise, it's going to happen, and should be noted as such. Mshake3 17:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Eh, we're all stubborn. We'll cut our noses off to spite our faces (or however it goes). As for those images, it's graphical placement. I'm not going to get into a screencap war. All this shows is an alternative naming to the official term, mine. And yes, ring announcers and box art graphics released that year count. Mshake3 21:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I've gotta say that all WWE/WWF titles are referred to with the Company Name then Title Name, I've never known it be the other way round, and I wouldn't rely on box art as box art can quite easily be changed to retcon something. In this case the policy being followed is accurately reporting what happened, I don't know why that is a big problem, let's not end up with another entry on here [30]. Darrenhusted 22:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Would someone like to deal with this rather large walled garden please? See Special:Contributions/Cwmoneybags for full details. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 12:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Those articles in addition to all the articles related here XCW Pro Wrestling & No Limit Pro Wrestling are part of what makes the wrestling articles seem crufty & waste of space. MPJ-DK 16:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
PROD was removed three times, it is now AfD at this page [31]. Darrenhusted 01:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
All related articles are now grouped together. Darrenhusted 12:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
WWE says on Raw that every championship will be defended on Vengeance. Seems like enough of a reason to list every match, no? Mshake3 20:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
No. Wait until they are either announced as being defended, or the event happens and they were defended. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Darrenhusted 22:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
If you want to add stuff that has been announced, then Ric Flair vs MVP (US title) and Chavo vs Yang (CW) have been announced and are listed here [34], better than TBA. Darrenhusted 23:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I should also mention that a commercial just aired, once again saying that every title will be on the line, including showing images of every champion. So it appears that the only problem you all have is that I'm "predicting" that the other matches are one on one. And if you have a problem with that, well that's just sad. Mshake3 01:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
If we're not going to list matches because injuries, backstage politics, and changes in creative direction could result in a different card, why bother listing any matches until after the PPV? If listing every champion vs TBA is a violation of the crystal ball policy, then so is listing the WWE title open invitational, and the WHC match. Batista, Edge, Foley, Booker, Cena, Orton, and anyone else involved in either of those matches could get injured. Ergo, it's not a certainty to happen. Ergo, it's crystal-balling. IMO, neither are examples of crystal-balling, they're listing announced matches. All have been announced, and all are subject to change. Koberulz 10:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC) You know what, fine, do whatever. But with TBD listed it gives an opportunity for vandals to keep changing them to names and trying to guess the matches, or for Newbies to fill the remaining PPV pages with TBD vs TBD. So long as all those above who stated their wish to have TBD on the page have it on their watchlist so they can revert any vandalism then I ain't gonna protest. Darrenhusted 12:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, you're the only one disagreeing, as the only one who agrees with you has said to go ahead and change it. Decisions might not be determined by a democracy, but when it's one against the rest, then the majority is the way to go. Mshake3 23:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently there has been a discussion at WP:FLC as to whether List of members of the WWE Hall of Fame should be promoted as a Featured List. Currently, there is one objection that has not been dealt with. That is, should the inductors' names be included on this list, or should they be omiited. One user, Shudda.nz, does not believe so and has not withdrawn his/her objection from the subpage, while all other editors in the discussion believe that Shudda's objection is unwarrented, as they believe the inductors' names should be included. I request further comments from WP:PW in order to try to reach a consensus on this list.-- 十 八 02:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
[35]---- La Parka Your Car 03:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed content from these unsourced articles. If someone would like to prod them, feel free. [36]---- La Parka Your Car 04:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
User:TV2007 is trying to separate Mark Calaway from The Undertaker by changing the article to be just about the gimmick. I have already made 3 reverts and stated why the article is titled The Undertaker but they won't listen. Apparently I own the article. They're also saying they cleaned the article but even afterwards it was still a mess. Got to love newbies! :P - Deep Shadow 10:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The user above has shown that he wants ownership over articles and incivility. His edit summary has been "leave the article alone". He's also referring to me as a "newbie" which isn't very civil. The article was called Undertaker and I have a right to make the changes to be about the Undertaker and not about EVERY SINGLE match the guy has had and not so much about Mark Calaway. That needs to be on a separate article. TV2007 11:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, if you want an article that's just about The Undertaker, go to Personas of The Undertaker. - Deep Shadow 11:10, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Deep Shadow admitted even admits himself that he's acting defensive with me and is using bad faith (referring to my corrections as antics), right here [ [37]]. As for your comment, anyone can change the article now but you can't. That's what wikipedia is. If you see a change you don't like and it's not vandalism and something that you think is accurate, you can add it or change, but you really can't tell me, 'leave it alone', call my edits antics, refer to me as a newbie, threaten to report me. It was all uncivil. You can't even accuse me of being a vandal either really. Article says Undertaker so I changed it. Someone else may change it back and they have a right to do that, but I am not going to tell them to leave it alone and threaten to report them and everything you did. [You got defensive and it may hurt sometimes to see your hard edits removed, but that can sometimes happen on wikipedia TV2007 11:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh no, I am not going to revert the page again. Thank you Lid :) More than anything, it was Deep Shadow's behavior that was my problem TV2007 11:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
guys, enough. It's done! TV2007 15:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Everyone needs to just drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass in situations like this one... Bmg916 Speak 17:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
lmao! :D I agree with Bmg916. Loved that drop the stick article by the way TV2007 18:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article be at Deuce and Domino? The on screen graphic for the team is Deuce & Domino or Deuce and Domino I believe. I don't think I've ever seen Deuce 'N Domino used. The & symbol certainly doesn't mean 'N (if that's the case of why the team is at that article). RobJ1981 12:51, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
14:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The wording in tonight's TNA Road to Slammiversary special would indicate that the TNA Champion crowned this Sunday would be the title's first champion, as opposed to the third, with Cage and Angle coming before. At the same time, however, the final video package will show every former World Champion of the TNA era, and that included Angle.
Just something to think about. Mshake3 04:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)