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I just noticed Sabian in the prod list, anyway, I am pretty sure he is a fairly notable wrestler on the indy circuit. I don't know how many of you know of him, but I have seen him wrestler a few times, just thought I would let those know so you can help get a decent article here. Govvy 13:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
For those that wanted to know, One Night In Hackney upgraded the deletion process for Sabian. Govvy 11:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it still necessary to list the brands in the infoboxes for PPVs, since they are all tri-branded? Koberulz 16:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
2002 PPVs listed both brands, and that was before the change this year. Mshake3 00:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The Backseat Boyz, Christopher Street Connection, Azriael and Quiet Storm have all been proposed for deletion. I think was very nice of the nominator to not inform the project. Nenog 21:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Is this really that notable for an entry? It was a flop and I see no sources that prove it's very notable. A "reunion" wrestling show of sorts being on PPV isn't that notable in my opinion. Lots of things go on pay-per-vew: that's not enough to prove it's worth an article here. The only sources the article has (from what I see): is wrestling fansites, and nothing else. RobJ1981 22:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
If it's worth anything HOW is referred to in Power Slam extensively, not only did they cover it in 1999 but they have listed it on several occasions as one of the worst wrestling PPVs ever. Darrenhusted 14:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.nwawrestling.com/PHP-Nuke/index.php
http://one.revver.com/watch/267425/flv/affiliate/87879
Time to make the necessary changes.
Mshake3 01:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
You know, I really hope TNA doesn't decide to recognize all TNA-era NWA World Heavyweight Champions as TNA Champions. The can of worms that would open would be ridiculous. Jeff Silvers 16:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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They debuted the new World Heavyweight and X belts at the Impact! tapings tonight, and Kurt Angle was stripped of the title, as was expected. This is the reason we shouldn't wait until TV tapings air to post events--the current policy basically forces us to give an inaccurate description of what's going on until Thursday. As it stands right now, the TNA World Heavyweight Championship will be decided in a King of the Mountain Match (as was predicted); there's no indication as to whether Angle is recognized as the first TNA Champion.
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Looks like TNA's official position, at least as of now, is that the TNA World Heavyweight Championship is, in fact, a direct continuation of the NWA World Heavyweight Championship http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldtitle.html . List of TNA World Heavyweight Champions has been edited to reflect this new viewpoint, but I don't think we should indulge TNA's revisionism like that. Even though they controlled the titles at the time, they don't control the NWA World Heavyweight Title's lineage; they can crown their own champion, sure, but they can't say that former champions of another promotion--even if they were defending that title within TNA--are suddenly former holders of a new title. In addition, the NWA is still recognizing the TNA-era champions--does this make Abyss a two-time world champion? He is, after all, recognized by the NWA as a former champion AND by TNA as having held an apparently different championship. Jeff Silvers 05:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I recently cleaned up and wikified both Shawn Michaels: From The Vault and Jimmy Snuka. Also, Maryland Championship Wrestling has been recreated (by a different user), so I'm removing all of those from the list of things to do. Nikki311 02:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
This article recently survived an AfD however something that wasn't brought up in the AfD, and is pretty important, is that this article has been the pet project of banned editor JB196. The article was created by a JB196 puppet (Bearhug Lewis), edited by another (Shavenhead2), then when those were blocked a new one showed up that was hit when it was blocked as an open proxy (Pharoahski) and now has been followed up by another SPA (Eightball440).
The problem here is we have an article that is well sourced however it also is bringing validation to a banned editor whose contributions are decreed to be deleted. What should happen? –– Lid( Talk) 06:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Does this really need its own article? Koberulz 13:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason we don't have a wrestling portal? It seems like every other project has one. MarcK 14:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I believe there was one before, let's start a new list for sourcing so certain editors don't just blank content off and ruin articles. Adrian Adonis is in need of sources. It just came off protection for an edit war due to sources I believe. I know this is listed in misc. projects above already: but Burntsauce doesn't just edit wrestling articles, so just finding what he has blanked isn't that simple (unless people have a ton of free time). RobJ1981 14:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
If I recognise a wrestler's real name then I check out the page, occasionally BS hasn't blanked everything, but as BS goes through 200 edits a day it can be hard to spot anything without trawling through pages. Darrenhusted 15:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me, or do wrestling articles have too many blue links? For most articles, it appears that a term should only be linked to once. For wrestling articles, we seem to highlight a term on almost every occasion. I understand that this is partially due to new users adding week-by-week updates, and in an attempt to make it look good, add the links. I can also see the benefit to having multiple links to the same article for those really long articles. But I still think we need to cut it back.
Opinions? Mshake3 21:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a section in Vince McMahon's articles on the McMahon DVD located here. It also has it's own page, located here. These should probably be merged, as it is pretty redundant. Thoughts? Nikki311 23:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious about the policy of listing championships under the promotion they're won in rather than the governing body that owns them. For instance, there are numerous NWA championships that are defended in Japanese promotions and it looks scattered and disorganized to have NWA championships listed under a National Wrestling Alliance subsection and in the subsection of a Japanese promotion, such as New Japan Pro Wrestling. If the NWA, or any other promotion, owns a championship or championships that are defended in other promotions through some sort of arrangement, shouldn't the title reign be listed under the governing body or promotion that ultimately owns the title or titles in question? Thanks Odin's Beard 23:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I know this has been brought up before, but never quite in-depth enough to really get a good discussion going. I know it's current WP:PW policy to maintain kayfabe by never reporting match or event results until the promotion officially announces or airs them, but is this really necessary? I think, in the end, the answer should be dependent on what's best for Wikipedia: not spoiling events for readers, or keeping our articles as accurate as possible? For instance, let's say Wrestler Q wins the ABC World Championship, but the match doesn't air for several days. During those several days, by our current policy, we're pretty much forced into keeping Wrestler Q's article (not to mention the ABC World Championship article, the article for the ABC promotion, and the article for the former champion) inaccurate for what amounts to maintaining kayfabe. I know this has been justified in the past by stating that Wikipedia isn't a rumors or results website, and this is true, but allowing our articles to stay up-to-date wouldn't suddenly cause more people to post day-by-day results than already are. There's really no valid reason for keeping this outdated policy, and it's hindering our efforts to make Wikipedia a reputable and accurate resource for professional wrestling information. Jeff Silvers 02:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Title changes on Smackdown are rare, and so the specific problem of acknowledging a title change is not a problem, and when Edge won the title both WWE.com and ECW on the Tuesday actually spoiled the change. The policy is not just for SD or ECW results that have been recorded (which are more likely than RAW or PPV spoilers), it is the policy of week by week reporting. And all talk pages for wrestlers state that week by week results should not be added. For comparison take an actor, if they have two films out in a year and get married or divorced then the information being added is minimal. A wrestler (such as John Cena) has new information every week, but that information is not notable every single week, and other than injuries, title changes or a heel or face turn very little weekly wrestling will be notable. The week by week policy then overlaps with spoilers for title changes, however that is rare and can confuse the matter. WP:PW is not a fan forum, and that is where weekly results belong. Darrenhusted 13:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The only reason to put spoilers in articles is if week by week information is being added, and week by week is against policy. Darrenhusted 20:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I've found the spoiler tag to be useless. If there's a spoiler tag in an article, then that means something huge has happened, and 99% of the time it's a title change. Perhaps we can establish that ALL wrestling articles MIGHT contain information about events THAT HAVE OCCURED but havn't aired yet. In addition, what does week-by-week have to do with anything? Why does that keep getting brought up? Why the hell is that an excuse for not allowing spoilers to be added? Mshake3 01:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I have an idea. How about we just include the results (if they are deemed important) right after they happen, and ignore the spoiler tags. Sounds good? Mshake3 20:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Just asking...the Shawn Michaels article looks great, but I noticed that there is no sourcing for it prior to 1992. Does this really qualify as an "A" quality article with no sourcing prior to 1992? I'd love to see it become an FA, but it needs to be an "A" first, and I wanted to make sure it wasn't rated too high too soon. Theophilus75 05:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
As of right now, I am officially retiring from the wrestling project. I have been trying to save all the old and known wrestlers from deletion, have added various citations across a number of wrestlers and other articles that come under the Wrestling project. But I am now fed up, One Night in Hackney, Burntsauce and others to me it seems they are waging a wiki war. Removing all off the information that truely needs help. Sadly this is the wrong way to go about the whole project, not once have they stopped to add any form of citation, nor have helped to really raised the problems in any form of etiquette. This wiki war as I call it is just silly and stupid, there seems to be a clash of the "wiki-politics" going on. Which is worse than watching Parliamentary Question Time on Wednesdays! Best of luck to the rest of you, regards Govvy 12:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
yeppers, it hard for me to do anything considering I made a number of good articles, which pass WP:BIO. But for some reason, I saw them all get delete by One Night in Hackney. What's even more insulting is this Jimbo Wells guy who seems to not read his own rules. That to me suggests that somewhere these wrestlers that put there life into the wrestling business are not being recognised by the wikipedia and that is a massive insult to the business. Govvy 12:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The page recently failed its FLC only because one guy felt that the wrestlers real names should be added and the page should be made to look like this. I am completely opposed to the idea, because the WWE pretty much only recognizes real names and most are known by their ring names in real life (with several even making them their legal names). Few other lists also include a section of birth names. I was just wondering what some others felt about this. -- Scorpion 0422 03:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
This article definitely needs an upgrade, even before it was unsourced. Can someone aid me in this? Part of re-building the article will need a look at his legacy, as evidenced by the fact he has three separate tournaments named after him among other things. –– Lid( Talk) 04:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
It was just blanked by Burntsauce. I've reverted it. Can't we do something about the guy? Koberulz 07:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
And someone calling them self Haitian11 has just joined up to alert Burntsauce about the Candido revert, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is blanked and locked soon. Darrenhusted 22:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The blanked version is now locked. Brilliant. Koberulz 17:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Afa Anoa'i. –– Lid( Talk) 11:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship Discuss... --- Silent RAGE! 08:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Just an FYI...Hack's got it up for Afd. Theophilus75 20:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Iron Sheik's article was messed up, just letting you all know. Kris 22:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I just checked again, there was more vandalism since I last reverted it. I think it probably will need protection if people are continue to put rude things in the article. Govvy 09:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
btw, I just had a quick look, this article could do with a lot of citation, as there is non "references" section at present. Govvy 14:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I decided to clean this up a bit. removed a chuck that I didn't think was appropriate and left it in the talk page. It still could do with more citation. Govvy 10:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
If y'all are waiting for an "official" word from WWE.com, you're gonna be waiting until his TNA debut. Unless the wire reports are 100% wrong (and they very, very rarely are - usually just a minor detail or two, if that, is wrong from such reports) and he continues to wrestle for WWE until the end of his contract, this was specifically done quietly and without official mention. So it's silly to wait for such a thing when it will probably result in his article listing him as contracted to WWE months after he wrestled his last match for them. Nosleep1234 01:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
You know, it should be mentioned that technically, when a release is announced, they are technically still under contract for 90 days. This is how Rhyno was able to appear at the first One Night Stand. Mshake3 01:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I (obviously) stand corrected, and my point would have been withdrawn as soon as conflicting reports surfaced. Nosleep1234 09:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The rumour could be added if it had a decent source that was citeable. Of course we're dealing with Vince McMahon here (that fierce proponent of free speech who hates his employees giving unofficial interviews) so the chances are very small. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 09:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
There are major floors in this article. Professional wrestling is a sport, the definition of a sport is competitive match of winning or loosing. This needs to be seriously addressed. Govvy 12:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Lloyd Youngblood performed career-saving neck fusion surgeries on Steve Austin, Chris Benoit, Edge, Lita, Bob Holly, Test, Rhyno, and in the near future, Gregory Helms. I have created a short article on him. The article was promptly tagged for speedy deletion. I explained why it should not be speedily deleted. The article has now been tagged for deletion. Please provide your input on whether Dr. Youngblood is worthy of an article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lloyd Youngblood. Thanks. Patiwat 21:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw this article was nominated and had a look at that citation list. I really don't like the look of it at all. The list is the same citation over and over again. There are no notes for any of the wins, changes. You should really have a different citation for every new belt holder. Govvy 09:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
A new version of Josh Piscura has recently been created and, interestlingly enough, contains additional references whuich might prove his notability. Its also been nominated for speedy deletion under "recreation of deleted material" despite it being totally rewritten. MadMax 06:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The recently deleted article NWA Championship Wrestling from Virginia has been listed for undeletion if anyone wants to contribte to the discussion. MadMax 15:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm all for getting rid of these flags on the WWE roster page. There is really no use for them, especially if it is going to represent what country they were born in. Putting the flag of Spain next to Kane's name is extremely misleading. In what way do they reveal any vital information to the roster of the WWE? A more useful thing to add would be finishing maneuvers or previous aliases. Not that I am actually suggesting that, as I feel it would make the page cluttered, but they are certainly more useful than flags of where people are born. Who cares? These flags truly have no place on this page. We may as well tack on the state flags and childhood pet if they're gonna stick around. -- DaHumorist 18:48, 21 May 2007
It seems that the "policy" is to include this in all TNA PPV articles:
from the iMPACT! Zone (Soundstage 21 at Universal Orlando Resort) in Orlando, Florida.
First of all, where can I read up about this policy? Second, is the Soundstage information really necessary? Doesn't the Impact Zone have enough of a reputation that we can just say it's in Florida? It's a waste of space to put that extra information in every article. Mshake3 22:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
May I ask, why do we count Wrestling Observer awards in championships and accomplishments sections? Have they ever reached the notability level of the PWI awards? Recognizing the awards seems to legitimize WON as a news source, when it's really nothing more than a rumor mongering dirt sheet (this is the same publication that "reported" that Joey Mercury attacked Stephanie McMahon) and leads to edit and revert wars (see: Montel Vontavious Porter). Plus, I don't think any of them are cited because they don't keep archives on the website.«» bd( talk stalk) 01:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Can anybody confirm this "At WrestleMania 23 a streaker climbed over the fan barricade and climbed on the ring apron right at the start of the main event match between John Cena and Shawn Michaels. The fan was promptly removed by security while Michaels sat on the turnbuckle and mockingly waved good-bye to the crazed fan." Taken from Streaking DXRAW 10:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Ye, I remember watching that, but it doesn't need to be mentioned at all on the wrestlemania article. Govvy 14:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Govvy, who are you to say that? Wwefan980 02:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't need to be mentioned in the article, there have been full scale fight in WWE audiences at TV and PPV events and we don't spend days listing them. Everything at a PPV is not notable. And Wwefan980, if you look through the WM23 talk page you will see consensus has been reached on this matter. Darrenhusted 18:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Just so everyone knows, the debate was just closed. The result was...keep! Thanks to everyone who voted and to all who made very intelligent points. However, I have a feeling that this is going to make ONIH really mad. Expect revenge. Nikki311 20:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I recently added a section on Moondog Cujo, admittedly heavily based from the deleted Lanny Kean article, on the main Moondogs article. However, this has since been reverted by User:One Night In Hackney and the redirect has been nominated for speedy deletion. As the redirect links to several articles, I thought it might as well be redirected to the main Moondogs article or risk having it be recreated again. Anyone have any thoughts on this ? MadMax 14:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know exactly what to do in this case but if you type "Duece" in Deuce and Domino you get this - Deep Shadow 03:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been planning to work on cleaning up each of the three main WWE television shows and one of them was to clean up a bit of the clutter in the articles. One of the ideas I've got is to have a brand infobox in the middle of the article due to the TV infobox (see The Apprentice and The X Factor for examples). The box will feature the current champions, authority figures and commentators. While the current articles have lists of authorities and commentators, the former already has list of authority figures in professional wrestling to link to for history. For the latter, I'm also proposing something like a list of WWE commentators article or just scrapping it.
My design is at User:Oakster/Brand infobox if you want a glance at it and give your thoughts. -- Oakster Talk 17:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I personally don't think it's needed. Govvy 18:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I like it, think it would add a nice touch to the article. - Theophilus75 21:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the existing and current userbox for the shows is fine and lists any information that is needed. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 08:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, this article poped up on wwe.com. Well my first thought was to look up Chaotic Wrestling. But the article is no longer there and must of been deleted. Next I decided to lookup John Cena which in his early career had no mention of him being in that promotion, so now I got a bit confused. But I am assuming that it was just to do with the location being as it was in John Cena's home town. Now, this article certainly raises the profile of Chaotic Wrestling and gives it another example of notability. Also on another note, you have the belts for this promotion, you really should have the promotion article to support the belts. So maybe we should restore that article now. Govvy 10:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
If his name is "Mark Lamonica," then why is the trademark for "Brother Ray Deadly" (and "Brother Devon Deadly," for that matter) under the name "Mark LoMonaco?" Check the USPTO. Nosleep1234 11:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
This user is making very weird edits. Not really suspicious or bad, but just dumb and weird. Like here he makes a UPW Heavyweight Title page claiming that the Rock and others have been UPW Champions. OK... Here he recreates a previously deleted page. Here he makes a nonsense page. Here he subtly vandalizes a page.
Did the Collaboration of the week idea fizzle out, or is it still going strong? I'm just curious because I added a new nomination to the page: Monday Night Wars. Nikki311 06:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Is their team name actually: The Motor City Machine Guns? I didn't see Impact where they teamed, so I wasn't sure. They are listed as that on several TNA articles, and I wanted to make sure the team name was official. I looked on TNA's website a little: I didn't see a mention of it. I noticed on Shelley's article: they've teamed in indy promotions under that team name, so this could be original release (and people assuming they will be called that again). RobJ1981 16:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed they are growing big for wrestlers again. Alex_Shelley#In_wrestling and Mike_Bucci#In_wrestling are two examples. Do we really need move-by-move guides of the wrestlers? I can understand their finishers, and some of their notable moves: but a massive list just isn't needed in my opinion. RobJ1981 16:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I was just wondering if there is any evidence that using websites like "obsessed with wrestling" and "the history of WWE" are considered reliable sources? I am skeptical that they are, and I haven't found any proof yet that they are. I know there has been some odd trend lately that on wrestler's articles, every match has been cited (which likely isn't necessary, since knowledge of a match is common knowledge and doesn't need a citation), and is cited with results from fan websites. I doubt these fan websites are RS, and I don't think we need to cite every match. IMO, it clutters the articles, makes them hard to edit, and in turn, makes it even harder to make them GAs or FAs.
I think you should all just look at some articles that are GAs or FAs and see how they got there. Some of them don't have many citations at all. We need to focus on quality over quantity, and just ignore that citations are needed for match results. If you have ever gone to college and written a paper, you would see that you may only need a handful of citations to write a good paper. Please consider this, I'm just trying to help and save you time. Biggspowd 18:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
don't forget wwe.com that should be considered a good source also, even if it is in keyfab a lot of the time. Govvy 09:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I personally think the Internet wrestling community is a stupid article and should be removed. The other articles are they really needed? The Hulk Hogan one is very little, and that should possibly be in his own article really, but shortened. What do the rest of you think? Govvy 11:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The booker article isn't even accurate in the least. The description given isn't what I would consider a booker. A booker is a person who "books" a wrestler to appear at a particular venue and a promoter was the person who "promoted" a wrestling event. The person who scripted a wrestling match could be the booker, it could be the promoter, or it could be a road agent, senior wrestler, the wrestlers involved in the match or someone else entirely. In today's world of WWE's predominence, a true "booker" and "promoter" doesn't really exist all that often as the WWE books and promotes all of their own matches. A promoter, booker and "wretling match scripter" (for lack of a better term) could all be the same person, or could be three or more people. - Theophilus75 16:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what I think of this article. It's pretty much trivial smark information that isn't really crucial to the wrestling project (IMHO); but I'm not necessarily saying I think it needs to go. It does appear to be entirely WP:OR as well as have serious issues with WP:NPOV and contains what is highly likely to be disputed information. - Theophilus75 16:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this article needs merged with the Hulk Hogan article and redirected. - Theophilus75 16:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Ye I agree it would be better merged into Hulk Hogan. But his article is still very long, needs to be brought down to size a bit. Govvy 17:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we merge it with Hulk Hogan#Endorsements. Nikki311 21:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Agree that it should be merged as it was one of his business ventures. -- Mikecraig 23:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
After reading this article over several times, I'm still not sure what to think of it. Besides having sourcing problems (like MANY pro-wrestling related articles, it seems to be almost entirely WP:OR and may even have WP:NPOV issues. All that aside, I'm not sure what its significance is. - Theophilus75 18:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
It has no true encyclopaedia nature to it if you ask me, I have been through it before, and through it again. I still feel this is a waste of space on wikipedia and should be deleted. Govvy 19:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
First of all, excuse me for my bad english.
Inspired by your amazing work on wrestling articles, we've started on it.wiki our own wikiproject:wrestling; we've already translated a great number of articles of yours (citing correctly the source just from some months ago... sorry about that!) and we program to do the same in the future. So, thanks for your inspirational, great articles and project, we'll feel free to contact you in case of need, just like younger-to-older brother :P. By the way, if anyone of you is it-1,2,3 and wants to help or just give us suggestions, our door is absolutely opened (of course, even non-it users' contributions/suggestions are welcome!). Thanks a lot ;)---- bs ( talk) 13:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Adrian Adonis' page has been unprotected. I put back all the info that was deleted, and a "new" editor (in his first post ever) reverted because Burntsauce, in the history log, said it was in violation of "Biographies of Living Persons" (despite the fact he's been dead 19 years). As such, we need to source the article before it is blanked again. Nenog 01:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I had submitted Brian Adams (wrestler) for GA Review, and the reviewer quick failed it. I asked him nicely several times to explain to me what made the article quick fail so I could fix it. He continually refused to answer acting like I never asked the question. I don't disagree that the article may have problems, I just want to know what those are so I can try and fix them and move on. I've spent a lot of time on this article trying to clean it up and source it from what (I found in my research) was a cut-and-paste job. Anyway, just thought I'd give you all a heads up. - Theophilus75 02:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I will abide by the standards Wikipedia itself sets for me and just that. I will not follow the standards and rules you set, as they can't be enforced. I know I shouldn't vandalize, etc. but I'll let Wikipedia tell me that(which I don't anyway). Thanks! If you want to respond, please do so on my talk page. Wwefan980 03:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
To Nenog, it's obvious if you did have authority I wouldn't listen to you do to your lack of disrepect and profanity. Yeah, and I already said I knew not to vandalize which is why I was going to tell you guys that you can't enforce and control how I edit, although the purpose sure seems that way. I never said I hated anything Steelersfan, so why don't you stop being rude just because I am laying down the truth. Wwefan980 14:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
They are stupid by your views, I thought you would resort to personal attacks. Don't worry I would too if I was in your position. You just admitted I was laying down the truth, unless you were being sarcastic and if you were you aren't the type I need to debate with anyway. Wwefan980 02:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Oh yeah, check out these links to learn what stupid really is and what vandalism is not while you're at it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism#What_vandalism_is_not Basically, you are in no position to say I make stupid edits or say I vandalize. Wwefan980 02:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay then quit "wasting" your time on this post. It was just to let something get in the air, that's all. This site would be better off without people who are rude, hence you. I follow the rules Wikipedia states and I don't vandalize, that's all I wanted to say basically. Wwefan980 02:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
One person will review notability based on WP:FICT and another on WP:BIO. One person says that all references for wrestling articles are primary source while another acknowledges otherwise. At first I was having fun working on wrestling articles here at Wikipedia, but now I'm getting tired of it. Everyone wants consensus, except when it comes to wrestling articles. Then there are the idiots that review stuff and make comments without even reviewing it. I had one person say of a decently sourced article with both primary and secondary sources that, Article referenced entirely to primary sources (no secondary sources at all; all refs are merely match results). It really does make me consider wanting to quit this project all together........... Theophilus75 06:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to cleanup and add citations to Heel (professional wrestling). Do you guys think that the lists of names in the articles should be deleted. I think they are pretty un-necessary, myself. It's more listcruft than anything else. I think the definition of terms would suffice, and then it would resemble/parallel other articles like List of professional wrestling match types, Professional wrestling throws, etc. (which don't list every wrestler that applies to the move or match). Thoughts? Nikki311 00:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I proposed this awhile back, and someone just went ahead and merged them. Now someone is splitting them back up. I figured this is a good time to get an opinion about this. Mshake3 01:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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I just noticed Sabian in the prod list, anyway, I am pretty sure he is a fairly notable wrestler on the indy circuit. I don't know how many of you know of him, but I have seen him wrestler a few times, just thought I would let those know so you can help get a decent article here. Govvy 13:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
For those that wanted to know, One Night In Hackney upgraded the deletion process for Sabian. Govvy 11:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it still necessary to list the brands in the infoboxes for PPVs, since they are all tri-branded? Koberulz 16:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
2002 PPVs listed both brands, and that was before the change this year. Mshake3 00:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The Backseat Boyz, Christopher Street Connection, Azriael and Quiet Storm have all been proposed for deletion. I think was very nice of the nominator to not inform the project. Nenog 21:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Is this really that notable for an entry? It was a flop and I see no sources that prove it's very notable. A "reunion" wrestling show of sorts being on PPV isn't that notable in my opinion. Lots of things go on pay-per-vew: that's not enough to prove it's worth an article here. The only sources the article has (from what I see): is wrestling fansites, and nothing else. RobJ1981 22:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
If it's worth anything HOW is referred to in Power Slam extensively, not only did they cover it in 1999 but they have listed it on several occasions as one of the worst wrestling PPVs ever. Darrenhusted 14:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.nwawrestling.com/PHP-Nuke/index.php
http://one.revver.com/watch/267425/flv/affiliate/87879
Time to make the necessary changes.
Mshake3 01:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
You know, I really hope TNA doesn't decide to recognize all TNA-era NWA World Heavyweight Champions as TNA Champions. The can of worms that would open would be ridiculous. Jeff Silvers 16:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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They debuted the new World Heavyweight and X belts at the Impact! tapings tonight, and Kurt Angle was stripped of the title, as was expected. This is the reason we shouldn't wait until TV tapings air to post events--the current policy basically forces us to give an inaccurate description of what's going on until Thursday. As it stands right now, the TNA World Heavyweight Championship will be decided in a King of the Mountain Match (as was predicted); there's no indication as to whether Angle is recognized as the first TNA Champion.
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Looks like TNA's official position, at least as of now, is that the TNA World Heavyweight Championship is, in fact, a direct continuation of the NWA World Heavyweight Championship http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldtitle.html . List of TNA World Heavyweight Champions has been edited to reflect this new viewpoint, but I don't think we should indulge TNA's revisionism like that. Even though they controlled the titles at the time, they don't control the NWA World Heavyweight Title's lineage; they can crown their own champion, sure, but they can't say that former champions of another promotion--even if they were defending that title within TNA--are suddenly former holders of a new title. In addition, the NWA is still recognizing the TNA-era champions--does this make Abyss a two-time world champion? He is, after all, recognized by the NWA as a former champion AND by TNA as having held an apparently different championship. Jeff Silvers 05:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I recently cleaned up and wikified both Shawn Michaels: From The Vault and Jimmy Snuka. Also, Maryland Championship Wrestling has been recreated (by a different user), so I'm removing all of those from the list of things to do. Nikki311 02:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
This article recently survived an AfD however something that wasn't brought up in the AfD, and is pretty important, is that this article has been the pet project of banned editor JB196. The article was created by a JB196 puppet (Bearhug Lewis), edited by another (Shavenhead2), then when those were blocked a new one showed up that was hit when it was blocked as an open proxy (Pharoahski) and now has been followed up by another SPA (Eightball440).
The problem here is we have an article that is well sourced however it also is bringing validation to a banned editor whose contributions are decreed to be deleted. What should happen? –– Lid( Talk) 06:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Does this really need its own article? Koberulz 13:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason we don't have a wrestling portal? It seems like every other project has one. MarcK 14:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I believe there was one before, let's start a new list for sourcing so certain editors don't just blank content off and ruin articles. Adrian Adonis is in need of sources. It just came off protection for an edit war due to sources I believe. I know this is listed in misc. projects above already: but Burntsauce doesn't just edit wrestling articles, so just finding what he has blanked isn't that simple (unless people have a ton of free time). RobJ1981 14:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
If I recognise a wrestler's real name then I check out the page, occasionally BS hasn't blanked everything, but as BS goes through 200 edits a day it can be hard to spot anything without trawling through pages. Darrenhusted 15:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me, or do wrestling articles have too many blue links? For most articles, it appears that a term should only be linked to once. For wrestling articles, we seem to highlight a term on almost every occasion. I understand that this is partially due to new users adding week-by-week updates, and in an attempt to make it look good, add the links. I can also see the benefit to having multiple links to the same article for those really long articles. But I still think we need to cut it back.
Opinions? Mshake3 21:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a section in Vince McMahon's articles on the McMahon DVD located here. It also has it's own page, located here. These should probably be merged, as it is pretty redundant. Thoughts? Nikki311 23:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious about the policy of listing championships under the promotion they're won in rather than the governing body that owns them. For instance, there are numerous NWA championships that are defended in Japanese promotions and it looks scattered and disorganized to have NWA championships listed under a National Wrestling Alliance subsection and in the subsection of a Japanese promotion, such as New Japan Pro Wrestling. If the NWA, or any other promotion, owns a championship or championships that are defended in other promotions through some sort of arrangement, shouldn't the title reign be listed under the governing body or promotion that ultimately owns the title or titles in question? Thanks Odin's Beard 23:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I know this has been brought up before, but never quite in-depth enough to really get a good discussion going. I know it's current WP:PW policy to maintain kayfabe by never reporting match or event results until the promotion officially announces or airs them, but is this really necessary? I think, in the end, the answer should be dependent on what's best for Wikipedia: not spoiling events for readers, or keeping our articles as accurate as possible? For instance, let's say Wrestler Q wins the ABC World Championship, but the match doesn't air for several days. During those several days, by our current policy, we're pretty much forced into keeping Wrestler Q's article (not to mention the ABC World Championship article, the article for the ABC promotion, and the article for the former champion) inaccurate for what amounts to maintaining kayfabe. I know this has been justified in the past by stating that Wikipedia isn't a rumors or results website, and this is true, but allowing our articles to stay up-to-date wouldn't suddenly cause more people to post day-by-day results than already are. There's really no valid reason for keeping this outdated policy, and it's hindering our efforts to make Wikipedia a reputable and accurate resource for professional wrestling information. Jeff Silvers 02:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Title changes on Smackdown are rare, and so the specific problem of acknowledging a title change is not a problem, and when Edge won the title both WWE.com and ECW on the Tuesday actually spoiled the change. The policy is not just for SD or ECW results that have been recorded (which are more likely than RAW or PPV spoilers), it is the policy of week by week reporting. And all talk pages for wrestlers state that week by week results should not be added. For comparison take an actor, if they have two films out in a year and get married or divorced then the information being added is minimal. A wrestler (such as John Cena) has new information every week, but that information is not notable every single week, and other than injuries, title changes or a heel or face turn very little weekly wrestling will be notable. The week by week policy then overlaps with spoilers for title changes, however that is rare and can confuse the matter. WP:PW is not a fan forum, and that is where weekly results belong. Darrenhusted 13:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The only reason to put spoilers in articles is if week by week information is being added, and week by week is against policy. Darrenhusted 20:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I've found the spoiler tag to be useless. If there's a spoiler tag in an article, then that means something huge has happened, and 99% of the time it's a title change. Perhaps we can establish that ALL wrestling articles MIGHT contain information about events THAT HAVE OCCURED but havn't aired yet. In addition, what does week-by-week have to do with anything? Why does that keep getting brought up? Why the hell is that an excuse for not allowing spoilers to be added? Mshake3 01:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I have an idea. How about we just include the results (if they are deemed important) right after they happen, and ignore the spoiler tags. Sounds good? Mshake3 20:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Just asking...the Shawn Michaels article looks great, but I noticed that there is no sourcing for it prior to 1992. Does this really qualify as an "A" quality article with no sourcing prior to 1992? I'd love to see it become an FA, but it needs to be an "A" first, and I wanted to make sure it wasn't rated too high too soon. Theophilus75 05:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
As of right now, I am officially retiring from the wrestling project. I have been trying to save all the old and known wrestlers from deletion, have added various citations across a number of wrestlers and other articles that come under the Wrestling project. But I am now fed up, One Night in Hackney, Burntsauce and others to me it seems they are waging a wiki war. Removing all off the information that truely needs help. Sadly this is the wrong way to go about the whole project, not once have they stopped to add any form of citation, nor have helped to really raised the problems in any form of etiquette. This wiki war as I call it is just silly and stupid, there seems to be a clash of the "wiki-politics" going on. Which is worse than watching Parliamentary Question Time on Wednesdays! Best of luck to the rest of you, regards Govvy 12:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
yeppers, it hard for me to do anything considering I made a number of good articles, which pass WP:BIO. But for some reason, I saw them all get delete by One Night in Hackney. What's even more insulting is this Jimbo Wells guy who seems to not read his own rules. That to me suggests that somewhere these wrestlers that put there life into the wrestling business are not being recognised by the wikipedia and that is a massive insult to the business. Govvy 12:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The page recently failed its FLC only because one guy felt that the wrestlers real names should be added and the page should be made to look like this. I am completely opposed to the idea, because the WWE pretty much only recognizes real names and most are known by their ring names in real life (with several even making them their legal names). Few other lists also include a section of birth names. I was just wondering what some others felt about this. -- Scorpion 0422 03:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
This article definitely needs an upgrade, even before it was unsourced. Can someone aid me in this? Part of re-building the article will need a look at his legacy, as evidenced by the fact he has three separate tournaments named after him among other things. –– Lid( Talk) 04:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
It was just blanked by Burntsauce. I've reverted it. Can't we do something about the guy? Koberulz 07:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
And someone calling them self Haitian11 has just joined up to alert Burntsauce about the Candido revert, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is blanked and locked soon. Darrenhusted 22:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The blanked version is now locked. Brilliant. Koberulz 17:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Afa Anoa'i. –– Lid( Talk) 11:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship Discuss... --- Silent RAGE! 08:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Just an FYI...Hack's got it up for Afd. Theophilus75 20:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Iron Sheik's article was messed up, just letting you all know. Kris 22:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I just checked again, there was more vandalism since I last reverted it. I think it probably will need protection if people are continue to put rude things in the article. Govvy 09:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
btw, I just had a quick look, this article could do with a lot of citation, as there is non "references" section at present. Govvy 14:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I decided to clean this up a bit. removed a chuck that I didn't think was appropriate and left it in the talk page. It still could do with more citation. Govvy 10:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
If y'all are waiting for an "official" word from WWE.com, you're gonna be waiting until his TNA debut. Unless the wire reports are 100% wrong (and they very, very rarely are - usually just a minor detail or two, if that, is wrong from such reports) and he continues to wrestle for WWE until the end of his contract, this was specifically done quietly and without official mention. So it's silly to wait for such a thing when it will probably result in his article listing him as contracted to WWE months after he wrestled his last match for them. Nosleep1234 01:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
You know, it should be mentioned that technically, when a release is announced, they are technically still under contract for 90 days. This is how Rhyno was able to appear at the first One Night Stand. Mshake3 01:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I (obviously) stand corrected, and my point would have been withdrawn as soon as conflicting reports surfaced. Nosleep1234 09:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The rumour could be added if it had a decent source that was citeable. Of course we're dealing with Vince McMahon here (that fierce proponent of free speech who hates his employees giving unofficial interviews) so the chances are very small. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 09:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
There are major floors in this article. Professional wrestling is a sport, the definition of a sport is competitive match of winning or loosing. This needs to be seriously addressed. Govvy 12:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Lloyd Youngblood performed career-saving neck fusion surgeries on Steve Austin, Chris Benoit, Edge, Lita, Bob Holly, Test, Rhyno, and in the near future, Gregory Helms. I have created a short article on him. The article was promptly tagged for speedy deletion. I explained why it should not be speedily deleted. The article has now been tagged for deletion. Please provide your input on whether Dr. Youngblood is worthy of an article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lloyd Youngblood. Thanks. Patiwat 21:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw this article was nominated and had a look at that citation list. I really don't like the look of it at all. The list is the same citation over and over again. There are no notes for any of the wins, changes. You should really have a different citation for every new belt holder. Govvy 09:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
A new version of Josh Piscura has recently been created and, interestlingly enough, contains additional references whuich might prove his notability. Its also been nominated for speedy deletion under "recreation of deleted material" despite it being totally rewritten. MadMax 06:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The recently deleted article NWA Championship Wrestling from Virginia has been listed for undeletion if anyone wants to contribte to the discussion. MadMax 15:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm all for getting rid of these flags on the WWE roster page. There is really no use for them, especially if it is going to represent what country they were born in. Putting the flag of Spain next to Kane's name is extremely misleading. In what way do they reveal any vital information to the roster of the WWE? A more useful thing to add would be finishing maneuvers or previous aliases. Not that I am actually suggesting that, as I feel it would make the page cluttered, but they are certainly more useful than flags of where people are born. Who cares? These flags truly have no place on this page. We may as well tack on the state flags and childhood pet if they're gonna stick around. -- DaHumorist 18:48, 21 May 2007
It seems that the "policy" is to include this in all TNA PPV articles:
from the iMPACT! Zone (Soundstage 21 at Universal Orlando Resort) in Orlando, Florida.
First of all, where can I read up about this policy? Second, is the Soundstage information really necessary? Doesn't the Impact Zone have enough of a reputation that we can just say it's in Florida? It's a waste of space to put that extra information in every article. Mshake3 22:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
May I ask, why do we count Wrestling Observer awards in championships and accomplishments sections? Have they ever reached the notability level of the PWI awards? Recognizing the awards seems to legitimize WON as a news source, when it's really nothing more than a rumor mongering dirt sheet (this is the same publication that "reported" that Joey Mercury attacked Stephanie McMahon) and leads to edit and revert wars (see: Montel Vontavious Porter). Plus, I don't think any of them are cited because they don't keep archives on the website.«» bd( talk stalk) 01:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Can anybody confirm this "At WrestleMania 23 a streaker climbed over the fan barricade and climbed on the ring apron right at the start of the main event match between John Cena and Shawn Michaels. The fan was promptly removed by security while Michaels sat on the turnbuckle and mockingly waved good-bye to the crazed fan." Taken from Streaking DXRAW 10:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Ye, I remember watching that, but it doesn't need to be mentioned at all on the wrestlemania article. Govvy 14:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Govvy, who are you to say that? Wwefan980 02:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't need to be mentioned in the article, there have been full scale fight in WWE audiences at TV and PPV events and we don't spend days listing them. Everything at a PPV is not notable. And Wwefan980, if you look through the WM23 talk page you will see consensus has been reached on this matter. Darrenhusted 18:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Just so everyone knows, the debate was just closed. The result was...keep! Thanks to everyone who voted and to all who made very intelligent points. However, I have a feeling that this is going to make ONIH really mad. Expect revenge. Nikki311 20:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I recently added a section on Moondog Cujo, admittedly heavily based from the deleted Lanny Kean article, on the main Moondogs article. However, this has since been reverted by User:One Night In Hackney and the redirect has been nominated for speedy deletion. As the redirect links to several articles, I thought it might as well be redirected to the main Moondogs article or risk having it be recreated again. Anyone have any thoughts on this ? MadMax 14:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know exactly what to do in this case but if you type "Duece" in Deuce and Domino you get this - Deep Shadow 03:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been planning to work on cleaning up each of the three main WWE television shows and one of them was to clean up a bit of the clutter in the articles. One of the ideas I've got is to have a brand infobox in the middle of the article due to the TV infobox (see The Apprentice and The X Factor for examples). The box will feature the current champions, authority figures and commentators. While the current articles have lists of authorities and commentators, the former already has list of authority figures in professional wrestling to link to for history. For the latter, I'm also proposing something like a list of WWE commentators article or just scrapping it.
My design is at User:Oakster/Brand infobox if you want a glance at it and give your thoughts. -- Oakster Talk 17:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I personally don't think it's needed. Govvy 18:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I like it, think it would add a nice touch to the article. - Theophilus75 21:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the existing and current userbox for the shows is fine and lists any information that is needed. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 08:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, this article poped up on wwe.com. Well my first thought was to look up Chaotic Wrestling. But the article is no longer there and must of been deleted. Next I decided to lookup John Cena which in his early career had no mention of him being in that promotion, so now I got a bit confused. But I am assuming that it was just to do with the location being as it was in John Cena's home town. Now, this article certainly raises the profile of Chaotic Wrestling and gives it another example of notability. Also on another note, you have the belts for this promotion, you really should have the promotion article to support the belts. So maybe we should restore that article now. Govvy 10:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
If his name is "Mark Lamonica," then why is the trademark for "Brother Ray Deadly" (and "Brother Devon Deadly," for that matter) under the name "Mark LoMonaco?" Check the USPTO. Nosleep1234 11:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
This user is making very weird edits. Not really suspicious or bad, but just dumb and weird. Like here he makes a UPW Heavyweight Title page claiming that the Rock and others have been UPW Champions. OK... Here he recreates a previously deleted page. Here he makes a nonsense page. Here he subtly vandalizes a page.
Did the Collaboration of the week idea fizzle out, or is it still going strong? I'm just curious because I added a new nomination to the page: Monday Night Wars. Nikki311 06:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Is their team name actually: The Motor City Machine Guns? I didn't see Impact where they teamed, so I wasn't sure. They are listed as that on several TNA articles, and I wanted to make sure the team name was official. I looked on TNA's website a little: I didn't see a mention of it. I noticed on Shelley's article: they've teamed in indy promotions under that team name, so this could be original release (and people assuming they will be called that again). RobJ1981 16:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed they are growing big for wrestlers again. Alex_Shelley#In_wrestling and Mike_Bucci#In_wrestling are two examples. Do we really need move-by-move guides of the wrestlers? I can understand their finishers, and some of their notable moves: but a massive list just isn't needed in my opinion. RobJ1981 16:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I was just wondering if there is any evidence that using websites like "obsessed with wrestling" and "the history of WWE" are considered reliable sources? I am skeptical that they are, and I haven't found any proof yet that they are. I know there has been some odd trend lately that on wrestler's articles, every match has been cited (which likely isn't necessary, since knowledge of a match is common knowledge and doesn't need a citation), and is cited with results from fan websites. I doubt these fan websites are RS, and I don't think we need to cite every match. IMO, it clutters the articles, makes them hard to edit, and in turn, makes it even harder to make them GAs or FAs.
I think you should all just look at some articles that are GAs or FAs and see how they got there. Some of them don't have many citations at all. We need to focus on quality over quantity, and just ignore that citations are needed for match results. If you have ever gone to college and written a paper, you would see that you may only need a handful of citations to write a good paper. Please consider this, I'm just trying to help and save you time. Biggspowd 18:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
don't forget wwe.com that should be considered a good source also, even if it is in keyfab a lot of the time. Govvy 09:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I personally think the Internet wrestling community is a stupid article and should be removed. The other articles are they really needed? The Hulk Hogan one is very little, and that should possibly be in his own article really, but shortened. What do the rest of you think? Govvy 11:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The booker article isn't even accurate in the least. The description given isn't what I would consider a booker. A booker is a person who "books" a wrestler to appear at a particular venue and a promoter was the person who "promoted" a wrestling event. The person who scripted a wrestling match could be the booker, it could be the promoter, or it could be a road agent, senior wrestler, the wrestlers involved in the match or someone else entirely. In today's world of WWE's predominence, a true "booker" and "promoter" doesn't really exist all that often as the WWE books and promotes all of their own matches. A promoter, booker and "wretling match scripter" (for lack of a better term) could all be the same person, or could be three or more people. - Theophilus75 16:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what I think of this article. It's pretty much trivial smark information that isn't really crucial to the wrestling project (IMHO); but I'm not necessarily saying I think it needs to go. It does appear to be entirely WP:OR as well as have serious issues with WP:NPOV and contains what is highly likely to be disputed information. - Theophilus75 16:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this article needs merged with the Hulk Hogan article and redirected. - Theophilus75 16:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Ye I agree it would be better merged into Hulk Hogan. But his article is still very long, needs to be brought down to size a bit. Govvy 17:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we merge it with Hulk Hogan#Endorsements. Nikki311 21:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Agree that it should be merged as it was one of his business ventures. -- Mikecraig 23:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
After reading this article over several times, I'm still not sure what to think of it. Besides having sourcing problems (like MANY pro-wrestling related articles, it seems to be almost entirely WP:OR and may even have WP:NPOV issues. All that aside, I'm not sure what its significance is. - Theophilus75 18:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
It has no true encyclopaedia nature to it if you ask me, I have been through it before, and through it again. I still feel this is a waste of space on wikipedia and should be deleted. Govvy 19:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
First of all, excuse me for my bad english.
Inspired by your amazing work on wrestling articles, we've started on it.wiki our own wikiproject:wrestling; we've already translated a great number of articles of yours (citing correctly the source just from some months ago... sorry about that!) and we program to do the same in the future. So, thanks for your inspirational, great articles and project, we'll feel free to contact you in case of need, just like younger-to-older brother :P. By the way, if anyone of you is it-1,2,3 and wants to help or just give us suggestions, our door is absolutely opened (of course, even non-it users' contributions/suggestions are welcome!). Thanks a lot ;)---- bs ( talk) 13:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Adrian Adonis' page has been unprotected. I put back all the info that was deleted, and a "new" editor (in his first post ever) reverted because Burntsauce, in the history log, said it was in violation of "Biographies of Living Persons" (despite the fact he's been dead 19 years). As such, we need to source the article before it is blanked again. Nenog 01:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I had submitted Brian Adams (wrestler) for GA Review, and the reviewer quick failed it. I asked him nicely several times to explain to me what made the article quick fail so I could fix it. He continually refused to answer acting like I never asked the question. I don't disagree that the article may have problems, I just want to know what those are so I can try and fix them and move on. I've spent a lot of time on this article trying to clean it up and source it from what (I found in my research) was a cut-and-paste job. Anyway, just thought I'd give you all a heads up. - Theophilus75 02:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I will abide by the standards Wikipedia itself sets for me and just that. I will not follow the standards and rules you set, as they can't be enforced. I know I shouldn't vandalize, etc. but I'll let Wikipedia tell me that(which I don't anyway). Thanks! If you want to respond, please do so on my talk page. Wwefan980 03:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
To Nenog, it's obvious if you did have authority I wouldn't listen to you do to your lack of disrepect and profanity. Yeah, and I already said I knew not to vandalize which is why I was going to tell you guys that you can't enforce and control how I edit, although the purpose sure seems that way. I never said I hated anything Steelersfan, so why don't you stop being rude just because I am laying down the truth. Wwefan980 14:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
They are stupid by your views, I thought you would resort to personal attacks. Don't worry I would too if I was in your position. You just admitted I was laying down the truth, unless you were being sarcastic and if you were you aren't the type I need to debate with anyway. Wwefan980 02:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Oh yeah, check out these links to learn what stupid really is and what vandalism is not while you're at it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism#What_vandalism_is_not Basically, you are in no position to say I make stupid edits or say I vandalize. Wwefan980 02:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay then quit "wasting" your time on this post. It was just to let something get in the air, that's all. This site would be better off without people who are rude, hence you. I follow the rules Wikipedia states and I don't vandalize, that's all I wanted to say basically. Wwefan980 02:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
One person will review notability based on WP:FICT and another on WP:BIO. One person says that all references for wrestling articles are primary source while another acknowledges otherwise. At first I was having fun working on wrestling articles here at Wikipedia, but now I'm getting tired of it. Everyone wants consensus, except when it comes to wrestling articles. Then there are the idiots that review stuff and make comments without even reviewing it. I had one person say of a decently sourced article with both primary and secondary sources that, Article referenced entirely to primary sources (no secondary sources at all; all refs are merely match results). It really does make me consider wanting to quit this project all together........... Theophilus75 06:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to cleanup and add citations to Heel (professional wrestling). Do you guys think that the lists of names in the articles should be deleted. I think they are pretty un-necessary, myself. It's more listcruft than anything else. I think the definition of terms would suffice, and then it would resemble/parallel other articles like List of professional wrestling match types, Professional wrestling throws, etc. (which don't list every wrestler that applies to the move or match). Thoughts? Nikki311 00:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I proposed this awhile back, and someone just went ahead and merged them. Now someone is splitting them back up. I figured this is a good time to get an opinion about this. Mshake3 01:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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