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Gutierezz aka. Rey Mysterio is scheduled to make a special appearance tonight on SmackDown at the tapings. Please try and watch this article tonight and tomorrow as vandals are more than likely to put in spoilers. I've put it on my watchlist. Davnel03 19:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd say that the page for The Valiant Brothers REALLY needs cleanup. -- Scorpion 19:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone had started adding awards from WWE magazine to Championships and accomplishments sections. Should we consider these real awards?«» bd( talk stalk) 19:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've put most of them up for deletion. The concensus is here. Davnel03 21:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The NWA article is on our "clean up" list, specifically because it contains a lot of lists which we want to avoid. I've gone through it and reformatted a lot of the content there to make it less "listy", in fact the only list left is in the titles section and I dunno how to do anything about that unless we create a category for NWA titles, but then we run into the problem of all the red-linked titles that is currently on the page. These should still be listed even if there is no detailed page for them IMO - which is a problem if we decide to make a category. Any ideas?? MPJ-DK 00:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
the list of "Articles to cleanup" has had Owen Hart, Monty Brown and Samoa Joe on there for a long time, when I read them I don't see that much that needs to be done - granted Owen's no WWE time could be expanded but other than maybe some section break down I don't know what should be done to the Monty & Joe articles. Before I tackle either of these articles I'd like some input on just how they need to be cleaned up/improved? MPJ-DK 16:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I did a MAJOR addition to OWen's profile because I felt it focused more on his death and what followed instead of also honoring his long career before the tragedy. So Owen is off the list and Monty's TNA career looked okay to me right now, it covered the highlights and while a bit date heavy I figured that for now it's not that big a deal so they're both off the "Articles to clean up" list MPJ-DK 14:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated WWE Action Figures by Jakks Pacific for deletion; the discussion is here. Davnel03 21:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I've also just noticed Early Deaths in Professional Wrestling up for deletion - the discussion is here. Davnel03 21:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Why must the signature/finishing moves be so big for some wrestlers? It should be notable finishers and signature moves: not a big list (I've seen plenty of them, John Cena is just one example). One time finishers shouldn't make the list, it just clutters it and is simply un-needed cruft. If lists can't be changed: it should simply be finishing moves, since signature moves clutter it. Pro wrestling bios on Wikipedia shouldn't be turned into finishing/signature moves guides. The same thing needs to apply to taunts as well (none I've seen are massively huge I don't think, but it shouldn't become a mass list either). RobJ1981 06:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It's my personal feeling that "signature taunts" are irrelevant to articles. But I'm not going to touch them unless it's something ridiculous. Hmmmmm. As Hybrid points out, any regulation would be problematic. Wording would be extremely difficult and would in any case rely on some amount of user discretion. I guess we'll have to look at things on an individual basis. Certainly if I was to remove any "signature moves" then I would add a subsection to the article's talk page to fully explain. Suriel1981 11:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I realise that there is some inconsistency with whether PPV articles have the promotion in the article name. Any reason for this? Perhaps we can move all pages to names without the promotion should it not already be taken? -- Aaru Bui DII 12:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
So it's really two options we have so far? Call for a vote? -- Aaru Bui DII 02:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
What would you suggest we do for Bound for Glory? To be consistent with three of the WWE Big Four, we should have the year in brackets but Bound for Glory itself is taken. So should it be Bound for Glory (2005) or TNA Bound for Glory (2005)? -- Aaru Bui DII 09:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago, a editor went ahead and move all the pages with TNA Impact! in their name to TNA Impact!. Their had been a move request (which he supported) and it failed, but he moved them anyways and then edited the redirect pages (so non-admins can't move them back). Is anybody familiar enough with a RFC and willing to file one here? Maybe someone can request the pages to be moved back: TNA Impact!, TNA Impact! Zone, and TNA Global iMPACT!. TJ Spyke 23:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Clash of the Champions and WWE Saturday Night's Main Event results both probably could use a better formatting. Clash is the weaker of the articles, as most of it is just the result (and not who pinned who in tag matches and so on). I don't think each event should get in article, but perhaps list 10 of them on a page, and another 10, and so on. There has been 33 SNME so far at least (it's possible more could happen), and 35 Clashes (none will happen again probably). 3 articles for each would do them more justice in my opinion. Mass results on one page seems like a huge cluttered list to me at least. The same thing applies to Starrcade: there is 18 of them listed on a page. Then there is In Your House, which has 28 event results on one page. The Great American Bash: 17 event results on one page. I would imagine there is some huge results pages I missed. What does everyone else think about this? RobJ1981 06:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
What is the point in having results of pay-per-view matches anyway? -- Aaru Bui DII 11:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
One outstanding issue that keeps PPV pages being a list of results (which is borderline keep based on what the event implies in terms of individual careers) is the lack of reportage showing the storylines that culminate in the event, or the storylines that are caused by the event - for example, why the 2005 Survivor Series had the Team Raw vs Team SmackDown match, Bischoff-Long, or Cena-Angle, and the consequences of Bischoff not meeting any of his three "goals" in the event, or how RVD chose ECW One Night Stand to cash in his MITB in '06. This will make the articles on PPVs much better and perhaps worth splitting into articles on individual years. kelvSYC 21:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This may not be wrestling-related, but I think you should keep a look at the Kent Jones article. This "Kent Jones" is the self-proclaimed "YouTube Shooter" who keeps on rambling on how great TNA is and how bad the WWE is. In short, he was looked down by several wrestling fans (including yours truly), due to the fact that he's making us wrestling fans look like idiots. Recently, his original account has been suspended. Duo02 *dilly-dally shilly-shally** 20:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I just like to point out that some people have been not following context conventions. For example WWE.com will use RAW in a title, but in context it will use Raw. Same goes for WWE Heat. I have seen a few people using doing Sunday Night HEAT in context when he should be Heat, same with Raw! Thanks for listening. Govvy 00:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
They have used Heat when in context since wwe.com started know! Govvy 09:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that the article for this particular championship has been deleted earlier today and I was just wondering why. Odin's Beard 00:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've come across this article List of real names of professional wrestlers. Not only does it appear to me like pointless listcruft (being as the real names are on every single wrestler article) but as the article itself says, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. It certainly doesn't help the article's cause that different gimmick names are listed seperately so the article is un-crossreferencable (is that a word? it is now!) Suriel1981 14:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Are you going to nominate it for deletion then? Govvy 14:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
It's now nominated Suriel1981 15:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to bring wrestler bio infoboxes in line with other biographies on Wikipedia by adding the flagicon template, the Birth date and age, and using separate links for towns and states/provinces/whatevers, but every time I get reverted, so I'm bringing it here to get actual opinions. Does anyone have any actual problems with any of this stuff being done, and if so what is the issue? All three of these things are being applied to more and more articles.«» bd( talk stalk) 14:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have no problem, one thing know, for the flag icon's, that should be next to the main name above the picture in the infobox. Govvy 16:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I certainly agree with the last point. However I feel we should try to be in-line with WPBIO as much as possible. I've asked their opinion on their homepage as to what their current general consensus on the matter is because their biogs are inconsistant and their guidelines don't appear to specify. Suriel1981 09:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe I forgot about this discussion, which I started. So it seems there's two main objections, possible overlinking and not knowing what the flag is. The flag thing is easy, hovering over it gives the name. As for overlinking and possibly cluttering the infoboxes with the age template, those are both clearly matters of personal taste. In some instances it would abolutley be correct to link both Nintendo and Nintendo GameCube separately, and in the case of infoboxes it seems to me that having a direct link to the state instead of having to go through the city first wouldn't hurt anything, and may help. «» bd( talk stalk) 18:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added a few nationality flag icon's into the info box as how they do it on the biography project, which is at the top next to the name. I was just thinking that it would be a good idea to show a demo info box on the main project page also. Or copy from one of the best wrestler bio article to the page. Govvy 14:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Suriel1981 13:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added flags to 3 that I keep a close eye on and placed the flagicon next to the place-of-birth, this seems to be the norm for WP:WPBIO (e.g. Pelé or Michael Jordan. Suriel1981 15:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should add (| nationality = USA) in the wrestling infobox menu like on Michael Jordan's page. Govvy 15:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. We'd just need to think of a way round dual-nationality ppl, like El Vampiro and Rey Mysterio Jr. Suriel1981 15:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
What do people think of this article? -- Aaru Bui DII 11:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a member of WP Motorsport, which has several sub-projects, Formula One, A1 Grand Prix just a few.
It made me wonder whether we could have sub-projects for this, I mean for instance:
It might sound stupid, but I just wondered whether we could actually have these, just an idea. Davnel03 18:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't really see that there's much point dividing up. I think it's up to the individual member if they want to focus on a particular area. I have a healthy hatred for WWE but have no problems with doing constructive stuff on their WP pages. Suriel1981 10:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
About ten superstars are nominated for deletion. Look in the info box at the top of the page. Davnel03 20:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Category:Professional wrestling biography stubs has 483 articles in it now. Category:Professional wrestling stubs has 198 articles in it now. While it's not that bad (compared to some stub categories), it's still a high amount. I've been working on some articles and making them better, but more work is needed. This also should be the time to go through stubs, and prod/AFD many of the crufty/non-notable articles. RobJ1981 00:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is a few examples of articles needing attention:
All 3 of these need photos and alot more on their careers in (and outside of wrestling). RobJ1981 23:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody else feel this should be deleted? Kris Classic 01:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I was told by a moderator that FIP would be restored if there was a good third party source. I searched, but I can't find one. Does anybody else know of one? Kris Classic 01:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Are there any other 3rd Party FIP articles? I already gave him that one, and the admin still needs one more. Kris Classic 02:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=20704&p=1 is a FIP DVD review by PW Insider, and here PW Torch does an arena report of a FIP event. Both are considered fairly large and notible Professional Wrestling news websites. Vladamire Steelwolf 09:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
This stems from an incident with TJ Spyke at the Halloween Havoc article. He insists on redlinking non-notable teams (very likely to never have an article here worth keeping) such as Dynamic Dudes. They were a short lived team that didn't do much. Working for WCW isn't a notable accomplishment by itself (Ding Dongs and other short lived teams are examples of that). Is there any policy on this at all? Some other redlinks in that article (very likely to never become notable for Wikipedia): Reno Riggins (jobber that didn't do anything notable in his career or outside of wrestling) and The Creatures (short lived team). I think redlinks aren't needed, if the article will never exist. As well: it encourages people to make cruft articles. People do see redlinks and make them into articles (which do end up in AFD at times). I'm not saying this happens everytime: but it still happens. Not linking everything isn't a big deal. According to TJ's edit summary: Maybe they should have an article (see WP:RED)). Wikipedia isn't a guide to cruft and it's not a guide to every wrestler and team ever. Why have redlinks if it's very clear the article doesn't need to exist, and most likely never will? The article won't be harmed by not linking a few things. Just making an article for the sake of filling the redlink isn't how Wikipedia works either. Wikipedia is about notable content: not cruft to make one less redlink in the article. RobJ1981 05:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
You make a couple of good points Rob. Some things you may want to consider when linking/de-linking an article that doesn't exist are:
In the case of professional wrestling, see the WWE roster for a good example. While some wrestlers that are in OVW/DSW have the potential to become notable, we red-link them just in case articles have been created to make sure that non-notable, sloppy, or poorly written articles are not linked to the WWE roster. While clearly red-links are a potential welcoming invite to users to create non-notable stubs, you must also take into account the good things it could do (Hey, I started out on Wikipedia just creating stubs on people like Lashley and now look at it :P). There are exceptions to what should be linked though, see WWE roster again for this example. People like the Chairmen, producers and writers for WWE will never have any major articles that will be frequently updated, nor will the ever do anything literally notable while in WWE. That is when you un-link them. Those articles about the unknown jobbers/jobber tag teams could be linked for the purpose of filling in redirects. I remember when I created a page when I was starting out on Wikipedia and I didn't know who the jobber were when I was typing it out, so I linked them and they redirected to their more notable gimmick or real name. On the other hand, red-links could be used to detect articles that have been recently created that are non-notable or a copyright violation and need to be deleted. Really, it depends on a lot of things and if an article should/could be created.. — Moe 01:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
A link added to DDT (professional wrestling) tipped me off to a little circle of articles relating to a backyard wrestler. I turned into redirects to more general move articles. I've put most up for deletion:
I'd appreciate it if folks could take a look at these articles and weigh in on the deletion discussions.
I turned two less creatively named moves ( Modified crucifix powerbomb and Shoulder carry spinning DDT) into redirects to the appropriate general move articles. Also, User:Skaterpunk216 has several edits to other wrestling-related articles—some of these may bear scrutiny. — Gwalla | Talk 06:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
170.161.69.82 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) keeps removing infolines from Kenta Kobayashi and Jimmy Rave, I'm at revert 3 so if someone could take over once again. He's vandalized other pages too, and has been blocked for short periods. ↪ Lakes ( Talk) 18:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll watch him Suriel1981 18:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Look at the WWE.com homepage. Yes, that's right the person called Sign Guy has made the front page of WWE.com. That leads to a question. This guy doesn't have an article. Does he deserve one. Personally, I think he should.
Yes, he is not in any way affilliated with WWE and is just a fan, but many wrestling websites recognize the guy, and today, even WWE.com has several pictures and an article on him. It even has his real name. I would go and create the article, but I think that it would quickly get deleted. Shall I create a article on Sign Guy or not. By the way, Sign Guy at the moment redirects to someone else. Davnel03 22:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
My concern is that this "Sign Guy" is just a fan and I can't see anyone being vaguely interested in an article about him. Appearing on a game show is something countless members of the public have done. He would fail notability. I honestly think the article would fail a "speed delete" so I hope nobody puts hours into creating it. Suriel1981 17:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks in large part to the user and admin Rama's Arrow ( talk · contribs) the article on the Montreal screwjob has been promoted to FA status, the first wrestling article to be successfully promoted. Well that hurdle has finally been jumped over. –– Lid( Talk) 07:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Only just read this. Wow yeh, well done and congrats to all who had a hand in it:o) Halbared 22:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RD Reynolds --- Silent RAGE! 17:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Whatever happened to the proposal to add detail lines to finishing and signature maneuver sections? Consensus seemed to be to add it, or at least no one objected, but it was never added to the style guide or anything. Can I bring it back up and maybe get it added?«» bd( talk stalk) 02:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Why is Donald Trump listed as Lashley's manager?.. i know he will be ringside for the one match but is it really necessary for that section... i dont think we are gonna add Vince to Umaga's manager list are we? --- Paulley
At Talk:TNA Impact! a consensus has finally been established; the result of the conversation being that Wikipedia guidelines will be followed with regards to the capitalization. This means that iMPACT! will be spelled Impact! in the article title, and in the body of the article itself. RAW will also be spelled Raw in the article title, as well as the article itself. Seeing as Wikipedia guidelines support this, and consensus has been found to follow the guidelines, any edits that go against this consensus are vandalism. Seeing as this affects more than one wrestling article it was decided that this should be mentioned here. However, the discussion has already taken place, and this is the final decision. Peace, -- The Hyb rid 23:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I know a few guys here have had problems with Verdict before but he's going at it again quite badly with an account or two a day being created and I'm getting tired of it. All I'm asking is if someone could please me keep an eye on the Minnesota Stretching Crew and Shelton Benjamin articles among others for any sockpuppets of Verdict as he tends to edit there frequently. There's an admin ( User:Yamla) who's sorting out the blocking of any accounts if you need to report them. -- oakster TALK 19:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
On the talk page for WrestleMania 17 I've been debating the merits of including Steve Austin's heel turn and subsequent alliance with Vince McMahon in the article, either in the trivia section, but more specifically in the match result description. The reason for this is two-fold. 1) It was Vince who handed Austin the chair, and he was in the ring when the finish took place. 2) Because of the history between the two men, the fact that they aligned at this event deserves some recognition. What do the rest of you think?-- HDC7777 23:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
So, these articles were merged when an admin closes an AFD saying the results was merge (even though it was clear the decision was keep). Since I don't want to just undo the merger without getting some input, I thought I would see what the rest of you thought (I posted this on the both talk pages last night, but no replies except from the closing admin). TJ Spyke 03:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The Mick Foley article (and maybe others, I haven't checked yet) seems to be written from the point of view that professional wrestling is a competitive sport. At least, it's not easy to tell from the article what was fictitious and what really happened.
For instance, it states "Race won the match for Vader by using a cattle prod on Cactus, knocking him out for over 10 seconds. The level of violence involved in this feud caused WCW to refuse to ever again book Cactus Jack against Vader on a PPV." Is it saying that the cattle prod was a surprise to the organisers? If so, we may need cites of people saying that was the case.
I think in an encyclopaedia we shouldn't be protecting any fictions. If that's what the article is doing. How widespread is this style?
It's also possible that I'm just not picking up enough jargon to understand the article. Maybe "feud" should be a link?
David Bofinger 04:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
People here might want to watch NWA World Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Tag Team Championship. There are rumors floating around that NWA and TNA are negotiating for TNA to give NWA their titles back this Sunday. As we all know, anon IP's (and some misguided regular editors) tend to put these rumors in articles. So be on the watch and be prepared to watch these, maybe Total Nonstop Action Wrestling as well. TJ Spyke 09:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
might want to watch that belt also because there are report's of the belt returning at WrestleMania. Some people say it's returning at December to Dismember. But I am pretty sure the belts will be returning to ECW. Govvy 11:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I did a google search: with results such as OWW (fansite that lists almost every promotion, even if they are notable or not), YouTube (anyone can post videos there) and so on. Anyone have proof this promotion is notable? Then there is the article for an event by IPWA: IPWA Election Day Anarchy that needs to be checked as well. Also: Nadev Rozenfield, an article for an IPWA wrestler. RobJ1981 12:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Just looks like a very small wrestling organisation trying to establish a foot hold on the internet. Certainly not wikipedia material to me. Govvy 12:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I think some sort of consensus should be made about them. Seeing as how when I read a PPV article: tagline/taglines are mentioned for the event, but not the matches always. It should be either: both or none at all, not just one. Here are some examples, in case people don't know about taglines (I'm sure these is some at least). Examples of match taglines: "legend vs icon" (Hogan vs Michaels), "battle of the billionaires" (Trump vs McMahon). Event taglines: "Where It All Begins... Again" (WrestleMania 20), "All Grown Up" (WrestleMania 23). What does everyone else think? In my opinion: they should be listed, as they are an important part of the match and event. RobJ1981 20:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
This is so close to being another featured article for the wrestling project, I think we should do a drive on it. Add a reference section and fill it up. If we can do that, should be FA in no time. :) Govvy 21:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I set it up with the List of TNA X Division Champions article. I think it looks good. We can also add it to the "reigns by length" articles. Or, as this just came to me, add a "reign length" to the main article and completely eliminate the reigns by length pages, since someone who wants to see that could simply click that sortable heading. Opinions? Mshake3 22:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Example of the merged table:
Wrestler: | Reign: | Date: | Length: | Location: | Notes: |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
A.J. Styles | 1 | June 19 2002 | 49 | Huntsville, AL | Defeated Jerry Lynn, Low-Ki, and Psicosis in a Four-Way Double Elimination match. |
Low Ki | 1 | August 7 2002 | 14 | Nashville, TN | Defeated Jerry Lynn and A.J. Styles in a Triple Threat match. |
Jerry Lynn | 1 | August 21 2002 | 49 | Nashville, TN | Defeated Low-Ki and A.J. Styles in a Triple Threat Ladder match. Vacated on October 9, 2002 after Jerry Lynn suffered an injury and could no longer compete. |
Syxx-Pac | 1 | October 9 2002 | 14 | Nashville, TN | Won in a seven-man ladder match that included Tony Mamaluke, Jose Maximo, Joel Maximo, Kid Kash, Ace Steel, and A.J. Styles. |
A.J. Styles | 2 | October 23 2002 | 14 | Nashville, TN | Won in a no-disqualification match. |
Jerry Lynn | 2 | November 6 2002 | 35 | Nashville, TN | |
Sonny Siaki | 1 | December 11 2002 | 63 | Nashville, TN |
You can't select which tables are sortable and which aren't, and problems do occur with cells that stretch over more than one row or column, so I'll keep looking into that. Of course, why would an article visitor want to sort the table by the notes section? However, it can be a nice way to look at several things in the history of a championship, such as how everyone's first reign went, the title changes in each city, etc.
Also, the reign by length table is very redundant. We're displaying the names, date victory, and date loss twice. Not necessary. Mshake3 01:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just made the date column sortable. So we get an idea of how messy it is to do so. If there's a template for this, please tell me. -- Aaru Bui DII 10:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I've come across quite a few articles on referees - most of them stubs, honestly do we need a seperate page on every guy who's ever been a referee for WWE, WCW or TNA? A few referees have made names for themselves but to have an article just because "He's WWE Referee assigned to the ECW Brand" isn't really notable. A joint page? getting rid of a lot of the stubbed non-notable referees?? MPJ-DK 22:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC) If you're looking for examples then just check out about half the names in Category:Professional wrestling referees, there is even an OWV referee on there MPJ-DK 22:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd say! DELETE THEM ALL, hehe! Govvy 22:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Refs, IMO, are not normally notable - they are only notable if they get involved in a storyline (either as a ref or as some other authority). The Hebners are notable. Charles Robinson is notable (but moreso because of his involvement with Flair or being the only ref to cross the picket line in that ref strike angle). Nick Patrick is notable. Mickie Henson (he's the head ECW ref, right?) is on the borderline (I can't recall any WWE storyline involving him, at least). Theodore Long (as a former ref) is notable. And so on. kelvSYC 19:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've just seen this poster on a wrestling-news related website: Image:Backlash07.jpg Looks real, doesn't it? I put the poster on the article, only for it to be removed by TJ Spyke. He goes along by saying that the poster is not real. The poster will probably be on the section of WWE.com straight at WrestleMania 23. Just because it hasn't been officially confirmed as a poster, why can't it go into the article? By the way, the poster is on www.pwmania.com. Davnel03 16:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
It's an official teaser poster. Seems reasonable to add it to the article. Suriel1981 16:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Guys we have another Backyard fan creating pages for wrestlers and from a backyard promotion... it only came to my attention as the same editor began spaming wrestling pages with a myspace link to the promotion.. if anyone has time can they check out his edits and remove this backyard crap.. gtg later --- Paulley
Could somebody who is more familiar with wrting wrestling bio articles help with this? I did some bare basics just to get it started. TJ Spyke 04:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Some idiot created a page called bam bam bigelow 2. Can someone nominate it for speedy deletion, as it simply repeats the same informaiton and says opinions as if they are facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.146.59.114 ( talk • contribs)
I have just seen the individual pages for Headhunter A and Headhunter B and they're completly the same except for the name, could we merge the two into a page called just "the Headhunters" because EVERYTHING they've done is as a team. MPJ-DK 07:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Recently, as I'm sure anyone who has tried to revert a page has found, Obsessed with Wrestling has been put on the spam blacklist. The reson given is that the former JB196 is/was spamlinking it to his article to give himself credit for pages he's "written". TJ Spyke has contacted the OwW webmaster about JB196s actions, and the wiki folk about getting OwW unblacklisted.
Anyway, until it's all cleared up, and I'm by no means an authority, I'm requesting that people don't remove the links just because it'll be a pain to try to put them all back and it really is a good reference for wins and losses. When possible please just re-edit sections instead of reverting whole pages, then the blacklist doesn't kick up a fuss.«» bd( talk stalk) 17:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw this as a problem before but didn't say anything, hopefully it will be unlisted. Govvy 12:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right now, PWMT will never make a good article by WP standards. What I propose to clean it up is to establish one basic criteria that I hope all of us can live with:
The criteria should slim down the size of our article (too much extreme-deathmatch-cruft). In particular:
Based on this alone, I've reduced the current revision (at 68K) to a 44K revision at User:kelvSYC/Professional wrestling match types. I can envision that with a good rewrite of certain parts, we can get this to be of better quality and get it to about 30-40K.
Any comments? kelvSYC 21:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Still, if everyone can agree on it, I'd like to propose that we somehow integrate my edited version into the real version - my edited version is far from finished (and I'd like the project members to work on it a little). It would be the only way for this article to be better than "plain old list of cruft". And it really seems like this article could be AFD'ed any time due to overwhelming amounts of cruft. kelvSYC 23:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know any of Johnny Valiant's moves, as they are blank? It could use a fillin' in. Kris Classic 01:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks anyway. Kris Classic 01:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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Gutierezz aka. Rey Mysterio is scheduled to make a special appearance tonight on SmackDown at the tapings. Please try and watch this article tonight and tomorrow as vandals are more than likely to put in spoilers. I've put it on my watchlist. Davnel03 19:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd say that the page for The Valiant Brothers REALLY needs cleanup. -- Scorpion 19:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone had started adding awards from WWE magazine to Championships and accomplishments sections. Should we consider these real awards?«» bd( talk stalk) 19:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've put most of them up for deletion. The concensus is here. Davnel03 21:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The NWA article is on our "clean up" list, specifically because it contains a lot of lists which we want to avoid. I've gone through it and reformatted a lot of the content there to make it less "listy", in fact the only list left is in the titles section and I dunno how to do anything about that unless we create a category for NWA titles, but then we run into the problem of all the red-linked titles that is currently on the page. These should still be listed even if there is no detailed page for them IMO - which is a problem if we decide to make a category. Any ideas?? MPJ-DK 00:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
the list of "Articles to cleanup" has had Owen Hart, Monty Brown and Samoa Joe on there for a long time, when I read them I don't see that much that needs to be done - granted Owen's no WWE time could be expanded but other than maybe some section break down I don't know what should be done to the Monty & Joe articles. Before I tackle either of these articles I'd like some input on just how they need to be cleaned up/improved? MPJ-DK 16:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I did a MAJOR addition to OWen's profile because I felt it focused more on his death and what followed instead of also honoring his long career before the tragedy. So Owen is off the list and Monty's TNA career looked okay to me right now, it covered the highlights and while a bit date heavy I figured that for now it's not that big a deal so they're both off the "Articles to clean up" list MPJ-DK 14:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated WWE Action Figures by Jakks Pacific for deletion; the discussion is here. Davnel03 21:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I've also just noticed Early Deaths in Professional Wrestling up for deletion - the discussion is here. Davnel03 21:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Why must the signature/finishing moves be so big for some wrestlers? It should be notable finishers and signature moves: not a big list (I've seen plenty of them, John Cena is just one example). One time finishers shouldn't make the list, it just clutters it and is simply un-needed cruft. If lists can't be changed: it should simply be finishing moves, since signature moves clutter it. Pro wrestling bios on Wikipedia shouldn't be turned into finishing/signature moves guides. The same thing needs to apply to taunts as well (none I've seen are massively huge I don't think, but it shouldn't become a mass list either). RobJ1981 06:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It's my personal feeling that "signature taunts" are irrelevant to articles. But I'm not going to touch them unless it's something ridiculous. Hmmmmm. As Hybrid points out, any regulation would be problematic. Wording would be extremely difficult and would in any case rely on some amount of user discretion. I guess we'll have to look at things on an individual basis. Certainly if I was to remove any "signature moves" then I would add a subsection to the article's talk page to fully explain. Suriel1981 11:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I realise that there is some inconsistency with whether PPV articles have the promotion in the article name. Any reason for this? Perhaps we can move all pages to names without the promotion should it not already be taken? -- Aaru Bui DII 12:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
So it's really two options we have so far? Call for a vote? -- Aaru Bui DII 02:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
What would you suggest we do for Bound for Glory? To be consistent with three of the WWE Big Four, we should have the year in brackets but Bound for Glory itself is taken. So should it be Bound for Glory (2005) or TNA Bound for Glory (2005)? -- Aaru Bui DII 09:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago, a editor went ahead and move all the pages with TNA Impact! in their name to TNA Impact!. Their had been a move request (which he supported) and it failed, but he moved them anyways and then edited the redirect pages (so non-admins can't move them back). Is anybody familiar enough with a RFC and willing to file one here? Maybe someone can request the pages to be moved back: TNA Impact!, TNA Impact! Zone, and TNA Global iMPACT!. TJ Spyke 23:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Clash of the Champions and WWE Saturday Night's Main Event results both probably could use a better formatting. Clash is the weaker of the articles, as most of it is just the result (and not who pinned who in tag matches and so on). I don't think each event should get in article, but perhaps list 10 of them on a page, and another 10, and so on. There has been 33 SNME so far at least (it's possible more could happen), and 35 Clashes (none will happen again probably). 3 articles for each would do them more justice in my opinion. Mass results on one page seems like a huge cluttered list to me at least. The same thing applies to Starrcade: there is 18 of them listed on a page. Then there is In Your House, which has 28 event results on one page. The Great American Bash: 17 event results on one page. I would imagine there is some huge results pages I missed. What does everyone else think about this? RobJ1981 06:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
What is the point in having results of pay-per-view matches anyway? -- Aaru Bui DII 11:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
One outstanding issue that keeps PPV pages being a list of results (which is borderline keep based on what the event implies in terms of individual careers) is the lack of reportage showing the storylines that culminate in the event, or the storylines that are caused by the event - for example, why the 2005 Survivor Series had the Team Raw vs Team SmackDown match, Bischoff-Long, or Cena-Angle, and the consequences of Bischoff not meeting any of his three "goals" in the event, or how RVD chose ECW One Night Stand to cash in his MITB in '06. This will make the articles on PPVs much better and perhaps worth splitting into articles on individual years. kelvSYC 21:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This may not be wrestling-related, but I think you should keep a look at the Kent Jones article. This "Kent Jones" is the self-proclaimed "YouTube Shooter" who keeps on rambling on how great TNA is and how bad the WWE is. In short, he was looked down by several wrestling fans (including yours truly), due to the fact that he's making us wrestling fans look like idiots. Recently, his original account has been suspended. Duo02 *dilly-dally shilly-shally** 20:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I just like to point out that some people have been not following context conventions. For example WWE.com will use RAW in a title, but in context it will use Raw. Same goes for WWE Heat. I have seen a few people using doing Sunday Night HEAT in context when he should be Heat, same with Raw! Thanks for listening. Govvy 00:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
They have used Heat when in context since wwe.com started know! Govvy 09:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that the article for this particular championship has been deleted earlier today and I was just wondering why. Odin's Beard 00:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've come across this article List of real names of professional wrestlers. Not only does it appear to me like pointless listcruft (being as the real names are on every single wrestler article) but as the article itself says, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. It certainly doesn't help the article's cause that different gimmick names are listed seperately so the article is un-crossreferencable (is that a word? it is now!) Suriel1981 14:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Are you going to nominate it for deletion then? Govvy 14:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
It's now nominated Suriel1981 15:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to bring wrestler bio infoboxes in line with other biographies on Wikipedia by adding the flagicon template, the Birth date and age, and using separate links for towns and states/provinces/whatevers, but every time I get reverted, so I'm bringing it here to get actual opinions. Does anyone have any actual problems with any of this stuff being done, and if so what is the issue? All three of these things are being applied to more and more articles.«» bd( talk stalk) 14:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have no problem, one thing know, for the flag icon's, that should be next to the main name above the picture in the infobox. Govvy 16:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I certainly agree with the last point. However I feel we should try to be in-line with WPBIO as much as possible. I've asked their opinion on their homepage as to what their current general consensus on the matter is because their biogs are inconsistant and their guidelines don't appear to specify. Suriel1981 09:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe I forgot about this discussion, which I started. So it seems there's two main objections, possible overlinking and not knowing what the flag is. The flag thing is easy, hovering over it gives the name. As for overlinking and possibly cluttering the infoboxes with the age template, those are both clearly matters of personal taste. In some instances it would abolutley be correct to link both Nintendo and Nintendo GameCube separately, and in the case of infoboxes it seems to me that having a direct link to the state instead of having to go through the city first wouldn't hurt anything, and may help. «» bd( talk stalk) 18:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added a few nationality flag icon's into the info box as how they do it on the biography project, which is at the top next to the name. I was just thinking that it would be a good idea to show a demo info box on the main project page also. Or copy from one of the best wrestler bio article to the page. Govvy 14:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Suriel1981 13:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added flags to 3 that I keep a close eye on and placed the flagicon next to the place-of-birth, this seems to be the norm for WP:WPBIO (e.g. Pelé or Michael Jordan. Suriel1981 15:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should add (| nationality = USA) in the wrestling infobox menu like on Michael Jordan's page. Govvy 15:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. We'd just need to think of a way round dual-nationality ppl, like El Vampiro and Rey Mysterio Jr. Suriel1981 15:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
What do people think of this article? -- Aaru Bui DII 11:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a member of WP Motorsport, which has several sub-projects, Formula One, A1 Grand Prix just a few.
It made me wonder whether we could have sub-projects for this, I mean for instance:
It might sound stupid, but I just wondered whether we could actually have these, just an idea. Davnel03 18:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't really see that there's much point dividing up. I think it's up to the individual member if they want to focus on a particular area. I have a healthy hatred for WWE but have no problems with doing constructive stuff on their WP pages. Suriel1981 10:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
About ten superstars are nominated for deletion. Look in the info box at the top of the page. Davnel03 20:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Category:Professional wrestling biography stubs has 483 articles in it now. Category:Professional wrestling stubs has 198 articles in it now. While it's not that bad (compared to some stub categories), it's still a high amount. I've been working on some articles and making them better, but more work is needed. This also should be the time to go through stubs, and prod/AFD many of the crufty/non-notable articles. RobJ1981 00:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is a few examples of articles needing attention:
All 3 of these need photos and alot more on their careers in (and outside of wrestling). RobJ1981 23:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody else feel this should be deleted? Kris Classic 01:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I was told by a moderator that FIP would be restored if there was a good third party source. I searched, but I can't find one. Does anybody else know of one? Kris Classic 01:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Are there any other 3rd Party FIP articles? I already gave him that one, and the admin still needs one more. Kris Classic 02:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=20704&p=1 is a FIP DVD review by PW Insider, and here PW Torch does an arena report of a FIP event. Both are considered fairly large and notible Professional Wrestling news websites. Vladamire Steelwolf 09:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
This stems from an incident with TJ Spyke at the Halloween Havoc article. He insists on redlinking non-notable teams (very likely to never have an article here worth keeping) such as Dynamic Dudes. They were a short lived team that didn't do much. Working for WCW isn't a notable accomplishment by itself (Ding Dongs and other short lived teams are examples of that). Is there any policy on this at all? Some other redlinks in that article (very likely to never become notable for Wikipedia): Reno Riggins (jobber that didn't do anything notable in his career or outside of wrestling) and The Creatures (short lived team). I think redlinks aren't needed, if the article will never exist. As well: it encourages people to make cruft articles. People do see redlinks and make them into articles (which do end up in AFD at times). I'm not saying this happens everytime: but it still happens. Not linking everything isn't a big deal. According to TJ's edit summary: Maybe they should have an article (see WP:RED)). Wikipedia isn't a guide to cruft and it's not a guide to every wrestler and team ever. Why have redlinks if it's very clear the article doesn't need to exist, and most likely never will? The article won't be harmed by not linking a few things. Just making an article for the sake of filling the redlink isn't how Wikipedia works either. Wikipedia is about notable content: not cruft to make one less redlink in the article. RobJ1981 05:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
You make a couple of good points Rob. Some things you may want to consider when linking/de-linking an article that doesn't exist are:
In the case of professional wrestling, see the WWE roster for a good example. While some wrestlers that are in OVW/DSW have the potential to become notable, we red-link them just in case articles have been created to make sure that non-notable, sloppy, or poorly written articles are not linked to the WWE roster. While clearly red-links are a potential welcoming invite to users to create non-notable stubs, you must also take into account the good things it could do (Hey, I started out on Wikipedia just creating stubs on people like Lashley and now look at it :P). There are exceptions to what should be linked though, see WWE roster again for this example. People like the Chairmen, producers and writers for WWE will never have any major articles that will be frequently updated, nor will the ever do anything literally notable while in WWE. That is when you un-link them. Those articles about the unknown jobbers/jobber tag teams could be linked for the purpose of filling in redirects. I remember when I created a page when I was starting out on Wikipedia and I didn't know who the jobber were when I was typing it out, so I linked them and they redirected to their more notable gimmick or real name. On the other hand, red-links could be used to detect articles that have been recently created that are non-notable or a copyright violation and need to be deleted. Really, it depends on a lot of things and if an article should/could be created.. — Moe 01:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
A link added to DDT (professional wrestling) tipped me off to a little circle of articles relating to a backyard wrestler. I turned into redirects to more general move articles. I've put most up for deletion:
I'd appreciate it if folks could take a look at these articles and weigh in on the deletion discussions.
I turned two less creatively named moves ( Modified crucifix powerbomb and Shoulder carry spinning DDT) into redirects to the appropriate general move articles. Also, User:Skaterpunk216 has several edits to other wrestling-related articles—some of these may bear scrutiny. — Gwalla | Talk 06:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
170.161.69.82 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) keeps removing infolines from Kenta Kobayashi and Jimmy Rave, I'm at revert 3 so if someone could take over once again. He's vandalized other pages too, and has been blocked for short periods. ↪ Lakes ( Talk) 18:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll watch him Suriel1981 18:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Look at the WWE.com homepage. Yes, that's right the person called Sign Guy has made the front page of WWE.com. That leads to a question. This guy doesn't have an article. Does he deserve one. Personally, I think he should.
Yes, he is not in any way affilliated with WWE and is just a fan, but many wrestling websites recognize the guy, and today, even WWE.com has several pictures and an article on him. It even has his real name. I would go and create the article, but I think that it would quickly get deleted. Shall I create a article on Sign Guy or not. By the way, Sign Guy at the moment redirects to someone else. Davnel03 22:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
My concern is that this "Sign Guy" is just a fan and I can't see anyone being vaguely interested in an article about him. Appearing on a game show is something countless members of the public have done. He would fail notability. I honestly think the article would fail a "speed delete" so I hope nobody puts hours into creating it. Suriel1981 17:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks in large part to the user and admin Rama's Arrow ( talk · contribs) the article on the Montreal screwjob has been promoted to FA status, the first wrestling article to be successfully promoted. Well that hurdle has finally been jumped over. –– Lid( Talk) 07:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Only just read this. Wow yeh, well done and congrats to all who had a hand in it:o) Halbared 22:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RD Reynolds --- Silent RAGE! 17:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Whatever happened to the proposal to add detail lines to finishing and signature maneuver sections? Consensus seemed to be to add it, or at least no one objected, but it was never added to the style guide or anything. Can I bring it back up and maybe get it added?«» bd( talk stalk) 02:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Why is Donald Trump listed as Lashley's manager?.. i know he will be ringside for the one match but is it really necessary for that section... i dont think we are gonna add Vince to Umaga's manager list are we? --- Paulley
At Talk:TNA Impact! a consensus has finally been established; the result of the conversation being that Wikipedia guidelines will be followed with regards to the capitalization. This means that iMPACT! will be spelled Impact! in the article title, and in the body of the article itself. RAW will also be spelled Raw in the article title, as well as the article itself. Seeing as Wikipedia guidelines support this, and consensus has been found to follow the guidelines, any edits that go against this consensus are vandalism. Seeing as this affects more than one wrestling article it was decided that this should be mentioned here. However, the discussion has already taken place, and this is the final decision. Peace, -- The Hyb rid 23:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I know a few guys here have had problems with Verdict before but he's going at it again quite badly with an account or two a day being created and I'm getting tired of it. All I'm asking is if someone could please me keep an eye on the Minnesota Stretching Crew and Shelton Benjamin articles among others for any sockpuppets of Verdict as he tends to edit there frequently. There's an admin ( User:Yamla) who's sorting out the blocking of any accounts if you need to report them. -- oakster TALK 19:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
On the talk page for WrestleMania 17 I've been debating the merits of including Steve Austin's heel turn and subsequent alliance with Vince McMahon in the article, either in the trivia section, but more specifically in the match result description. The reason for this is two-fold. 1) It was Vince who handed Austin the chair, and he was in the ring when the finish took place. 2) Because of the history between the two men, the fact that they aligned at this event deserves some recognition. What do the rest of you think?-- HDC7777 23:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
So, these articles were merged when an admin closes an AFD saying the results was merge (even though it was clear the decision was keep). Since I don't want to just undo the merger without getting some input, I thought I would see what the rest of you thought (I posted this on the both talk pages last night, but no replies except from the closing admin). TJ Spyke 03:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The Mick Foley article (and maybe others, I haven't checked yet) seems to be written from the point of view that professional wrestling is a competitive sport. At least, it's not easy to tell from the article what was fictitious and what really happened.
For instance, it states "Race won the match for Vader by using a cattle prod on Cactus, knocking him out for over 10 seconds. The level of violence involved in this feud caused WCW to refuse to ever again book Cactus Jack against Vader on a PPV." Is it saying that the cattle prod was a surprise to the organisers? If so, we may need cites of people saying that was the case.
I think in an encyclopaedia we shouldn't be protecting any fictions. If that's what the article is doing. How widespread is this style?
It's also possible that I'm just not picking up enough jargon to understand the article. Maybe "feud" should be a link?
David Bofinger 04:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
People here might want to watch NWA World Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Tag Team Championship. There are rumors floating around that NWA and TNA are negotiating for TNA to give NWA their titles back this Sunday. As we all know, anon IP's (and some misguided regular editors) tend to put these rumors in articles. So be on the watch and be prepared to watch these, maybe Total Nonstop Action Wrestling as well. TJ Spyke 09:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
might want to watch that belt also because there are report's of the belt returning at WrestleMania. Some people say it's returning at December to Dismember. But I am pretty sure the belts will be returning to ECW. Govvy 11:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I did a google search: with results such as OWW (fansite that lists almost every promotion, even if they are notable or not), YouTube (anyone can post videos there) and so on. Anyone have proof this promotion is notable? Then there is the article for an event by IPWA: IPWA Election Day Anarchy that needs to be checked as well. Also: Nadev Rozenfield, an article for an IPWA wrestler. RobJ1981 12:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Just looks like a very small wrestling organisation trying to establish a foot hold on the internet. Certainly not wikipedia material to me. Govvy 12:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I think some sort of consensus should be made about them. Seeing as how when I read a PPV article: tagline/taglines are mentioned for the event, but not the matches always. It should be either: both or none at all, not just one. Here are some examples, in case people don't know about taglines (I'm sure these is some at least). Examples of match taglines: "legend vs icon" (Hogan vs Michaels), "battle of the billionaires" (Trump vs McMahon). Event taglines: "Where It All Begins... Again" (WrestleMania 20), "All Grown Up" (WrestleMania 23). What does everyone else think? In my opinion: they should be listed, as they are an important part of the match and event. RobJ1981 20:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
This is so close to being another featured article for the wrestling project, I think we should do a drive on it. Add a reference section and fill it up. If we can do that, should be FA in no time. :) Govvy 21:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I set it up with the List of TNA X Division Champions article. I think it looks good. We can also add it to the "reigns by length" articles. Or, as this just came to me, add a "reign length" to the main article and completely eliminate the reigns by length pages, since someone who wants to see that could simply click that sortable heading. Opinions? Mshake3 22:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Example of the merged table:
Wrestler: | Reign: | Date: | Length: | Location: | Notes: |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
A.J. Styles | 1 | June 19 2002 | 49 | Huntsville, AL | Defeated Jerry Lynn, Low-Ki, and Psicosis in a Four-Way Double Elimination match. |
Low Ki | 1 | August 7 2002 | 14 | Nashville, TN | Defeated Jerry Lynn and A.J. Styles in a Triple Threat match. |
Jerry Lynn | 1 | August 21 2002 | 49 | Nashville, TN | Defeated Low-Ki and A.J. Styles in a Triple Threat Ladder match. Vacated on October 9, 2002 after Jerry Lynn suffered an injury and could no longer compete. |
Syxx-Pac | 1 | October 9 2002 | 14 | Nashville, TN | Won in a seven-man ladder match that included Tony Mamaluke, Jose Maximo, Joel Maximo, Kid Kash, Ace Steel, and A.J. Styles. |
A.J. Styles | 2 | October 23 2002 | 14 | Nashville, TN | Won in a no-disqualification match. |
Jerry Lynn | 2 | November 6 2002 | 35 | Nashville, TN | |
Sonny Siaki | 1 | December 11 2002 | 63 | Nashville, TN |
You can't select which tables are sortable and which aren't, and problems do occur with cells that stretch over more than one row or column, so I'll keep looking into that. Of course, why would an article visitor want to sort the table by the notes section? However, it can be a nice way to look at several things in the history of a championship, such as how everyone's first reign went, the title changes in each city, etc.
Also, the reign by length table is very redundant. We're displaying the names, date victory, and date loss twice. Not necessary. Mshake3 01:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just made the date column sortable. So we get an idea of how messy it is to do so. If there's a template for this, please tell me. -- Aaru Bui DII 10:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I've come across quite a few articles on referees - most of them stubs, honestly do we need a seperate page on every guy who's ever been a referee for WWE, WCW or TNA? A few referees have made names for themselves but to have an article just because "He's WWE Referee assigned to the ECW Brand" isn't really notable. A joint page? getting rid of a lot of the stubbed non-notable referees?? MPJ-DK 22:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC) If you're looking for examples then just check out about half the names in Category:Professional wrestling referees, there is even an OWV referee on there MPJ-DK 22:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd say! DELETE THEM ALL, hehe! Govvy 22:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Refs, IMO, are not normally notable - they are only notable if they get involved in a storyline (either as a ref or as some other authority). The Hebners are notable. Charles Robinson is notable (but moreso because of his involvement with Flair or being the only ref to cross the picket line in that ref strike angle). Nick Patrick is notable. Mickie Henson (he's the head ECW ref, right?) is on the borderline (I can't recall any WWE storyline involving him, at least). Theodore Long (as a former ref) is notable. And so on. kelvSYC 19:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've just seen this poster on a wrestling-news related website: Image:Backlash07.jpg Looks real, doesn't it? I put the poster on the article, only for it to be removed by TJ Spyke. He goes along by saying that the poster is not real. The poster will probably be on the section of WWE.com straight at WrestleMania 23. Just because it hasn't been officially confirmed as a poster, why can't it go into the article? By the way, the poster is on www.pwmania.com. Davnel03 16:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
It's an official teaser poster. Seems reasonable to add it to the article. Suriel1981 16:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Guys we have another Backyard fan creating pages for wrestlers and from a backyard promotion... it only came to my attention as the same editor began spaming wrestling pages with a myspace link to the promotion.. if anyone has time can they check out his edits and remove this backyard crap.. gtg later --- Paulley
Could somebody who is more familiar with wrting wrestling bio articles help with this? I did some bare basics just to get it started. TJ Spyke 04:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Some idiot created a page called bam bam bigelow 2. Can someone nominate it for speedy deletion, as it simply repeats the same informaiton and says opinions as if they are facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.146.59.114 ( talk • contribs)
I have just seen the individual pages for Headhunter A and Headhunter B and they're completly the same except for the name, could we merge the two into a page called just "the Headhunters" because EVERYTHING they've done is as a team. MPJ-DK 07:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Recently, as I'm sure anyone who has tried to revert a page has found, Obsessed with Wrestling has been put on the spam blacklist. The reson given is that the former JB196 is/was spamlinking it to his article to give himself credit for pages he's "written". TJ Spyke has contacted the OwW webmaster about JB196s actions, and the wiki folk about getting OwW unblacklisted.
Anyway, until it's all cleared up, and I'm by no means an authority, I'm requesting that people don't remove the links just because it'll be a pain to try to put them all back and it really is a good reference for wins and losses. When possible please just re-edit sections instead of reverting whole pages, then the blacklist doesn't kick up a fuss.«» bd( talk stalk) 17:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw this as a problem before but didn't say anything, hopefully it will be unlisted. Govvy 12:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right now, PWMT will never make a good article by WP standards. What I propose to clean it up is to establish one basic criteria that I hope all of us can live with:
The criteria should slim down the size of our article (too much extreme-deathmatch-cruft). In particular:
Based on this alone, I've reduced the current revision (at 68K) to a 44K revision at User:kelvSYC/Professional wrestling match types. I can envision that with a good rewrite of certain parts, we can get this to be of better quality and get it to about 30-40K.
Any comments? kelvSYC 21:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Still, if everyone can agree on it, I'd like to propose that we somehow integrate my edited version into the real version - my edited version is far from finished (and I'd like the project members to work on it a little). It would be the only way for this article to be better than "plain old list of cruft". And it really seems like this article could be AFD'ed any time due to overwhelming amounts of cruft. kelvSYC 23:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know any of Johnny Valiant's moves, as they are blank? It could use a fillin' in. Kris Classic 01:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks anyway. Kris Classic 01:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)