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I see smark (professional wrestling) was deleted last month but there are still many links goin to that page along with one suggestion to merge Smart (professional wrestling) into smark.. so i was just thinking maybe we should redirect smark into smart and add a brief definition of the term. To save us from removing the links -- Paulley
This has been deleted? Anyone know why? Given that it's part of a AfD, I feel such action shouldn't have been done until the AfD is settled. Vladamire Steelwolf 23:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I made a plea at WP:AN about the AfD, and an administrator closed it, and stated WP:IAR and WP:SNOW. So I guess we won the battle! To top it all off, due to the policy that WP:IAR states, those articles should never be put up for deletion again! -- Jลмєs Mลxx™ Msg me Contribs 03:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any point in this field? Nobody really knows where a wrestler lives, most additions are clearly un-referenced, and if it differs to from where they're billed it's largely irrelevant anyway. BertieBasset 16:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone made a great point about the problem with verification for shows which don't air reruns. Basically, he noted that for a normal show, you can verify what happened on a particular episode by watching a rerun of the show either in syndication or on DVD. However, professional wrestling (and soap operas and game shows), don't air regular reruns except for DVDs of pay-per-views. So if I tell you that "such and such happened" on a particular episode of Smackdown, the only way to verify it is if I also point you to a news story about the episode. You won't be able to watch the episode yourself.
On WikiProject Television, I suggested possibly looking at this for purposes of including it as a guideline for television article creation and deletion. Basically it sets a standard that an article about an episode or storyline for a show that doesn't have reruns needs to be verifiable by something else editors can reliably find, like a published article or "best of" DVD collection, etc. This would effectively prohibit most episode-by-episode articles about wrestling shows, but would allow for articles about their pay-per-views (which have DVDs) and articles about particular items which appear in "best of" wrestling collections. For instance, you couldn't write articles about most RAW episodes, but you could feasibly do an article about the famous "The Rock: This Is Your Life" episode since it is (I think) discussed on a couple of different DVD collections about RAW, Mick Foley and/or The Rock.
Rather than reply here, I'd suggest heading to WikiProject Television and leaving comments there. That way everybody on the TV project can see them, and the discussion can also cover game shows and soap operas. This might be a good start at resolving some of the questions I posted about earlier this month. Dugwiki 20:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Guys needs some help again another verdict sockpuppet has decided that Lesnars article doesnt need references and should not include his "In wrestling" section.. i have been trying to talk nicly with him and even made some head way but now hes gone back to to ignoring messages and repeated reverting the page -- Paulley
Just had a though, are the Velocity and Heat archeive still avaliable to you guy's in the USA.. and if so can you still watch the match by match. If you can, cant we reference those and link to the actual televised matches? --- Paulley
I have crossed referenced those via tv.com listing before, I have helped do a tv.com out, done a complete list for Velocity. Heat needs work on but it's not to bad either, it's not straight from the horses mouth, but they are pretty good for referencing. Govvy 12:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I brought this up about a month ago, about blocking PPV's to hide spoilers, however even though WrestleMania 23 is two months away, can't we block it from now till April 1st? It would be much simpler. Davnel03 12:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the support or oppose sections. This idea is blatantly against policy, so voting on it would be pointless. Please don't bring this up again, as anything that blatantly violates a Wikipedia policy will be shot down every time. Cheers, -- The Hyb rid 07:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I see a new user DogJesterExtra has removed all links to deathvalleydriver.com due to it being a fansite. Though i agree there is some cause to remove it as a true source, but i dont think it should be removed as an external link esspecially just because its a fansite... we allow a fansite in wrestler articles. On that note y is it an invalid source i mean anything written about wrestling is written by a fan of some kind..isnt it!??? -- Paulley
The reason I am removing them is because Deathvalleydriver.com does not meet WP:RS. DogJesterExtra 18:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made a first pass at cleaning up the "PPV Wars" section of pay-per-view. The second half (or so) remains intact and still needs pairing down. -- Geoff K. 17:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
May I also suggest merging this section into another article? Even with my substantial, incomplete edit, it's still larger than the main body of the article on PPV itself. It does contain relevant, encyclopedic info, but perhaps it would be more useful somewhere like Monday Night Wars?-- Geoff K. 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey. Just wanted to get a few people's opinions on possibly creating WWA pay-per-view articles, or rather one large article if they're not notable enough. Are they notable enough? The promotion was internationally reknowned and did shows in numerous countries so I'll let you guys be the judges. Normy 132 04:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Since no-one opposed ^, we should now select the guidelines for information that could be in the info lines.
My first suggestions are:
What else should be in? Do you disagree with something? ↪ Lakes ( Talk) 09:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
What about move information which is already written in pros but in the career text. For example Samoa Joes ole kick innovation as referenced in his ROH section as
“ | It was also at this event that Joe developed his infamous "Olé Olé Kick" move; an idea which got after watching a commercial during the English FA Cup (football/soccer) final. Low Ki challenged Joe to "get the crowd to chant Ole Ole Ole," which Joe accepted, and during his match with Zebra Kid he positioned the Kid on a chair, and performed the move thus the Ole Kick was born. | ” |
would we be moving that out of the career section outting it under the new format. --- Paulley
I added him to the list of articles to be created. He is the only non-functional link at WrestleMania III. Govvy 15:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I did one google search found very little information, The other midgets in that match have very small articles. Do you not think that even a small article will help? Govvy 10:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Just notifying recent changes and discussion at Anoa'i family, Reno Anoa'i and Jimmy Snuka. Str1977 (smile back) 08:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, as a wrestling fan I've just paid a visit to the WrestleMania 23 article and it is occurring to me that somebody is about to drop a bomb and start an edit war any time soon. So, as far as matches are concerned (and this applies to all PPVs, not just WM) if a wrestler wins a #1 contender's match and the championship and opponent are unknown but the match is certainly confirmed, what do we do? We can't not list it, it's a confirmed match. But we can't list an opponent and title because we don't know who and what it is. So this is what I propose. The match does get listed and it gets listed as it stands. So in the case of the WM main event it would be Undertaker vs. Batista for the WHC simply because that what the match is at the current time until WWE can prove us otherwise. Feel free to bring up any other ideas about this. Normy 132 02:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Oakster brought up a question in Archive 6 that I never really saw answered. What is the basis for posted match times? Is it bell-to-bell, or first interaction to decision, or does it start at the ring entrances? Some clarity on this could aid in standardizing match times. (Yes, I am a stat nerd.) -- EazieCheeze 18:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Somebody created an article for this obviously temporary team. I prodded it, but somebody might want to keep an eye on it. TJ Spyke 00:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The above post jogged my memory: to restate a point frrom the Big Dick Johnson thread, I think we could do without this and similar pages that amount to a directory of WWE staff. Simply saying he's a booker and he's responsible for pushing The Great Khali is hardly notable on its own and amounts to cruft biography. Unless somebody objects (and until he becomes a major behind-the-scenes player), I'd like to move ahead with the nom for deletion. -- Geoff K. 20:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Did a lot of work cutting down the post-WCW part of this article as there was tons and tons and tons of unneeded cruft and play-by-play. 192.204.106.2 15:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
One issue that the project has to take a stance on is the definition of tagcruft - articles on arbitrary groups of wrestlers. The general idea which is captured by this spirit is that ad-hoc groupings are not particularly worthy, and the only "reasonable" article on groups of wrestlers is if they form a well-known stable, team, or even feud. Having said that, I think it might be time to get a group policy on this.
The pairing of two wrestlers at random should not, under any normal circumstance, constitute an article. On the other hand, certain groups of wrestlers do have meaning - that's why they form teams, stables, or feud with each other. Where do we draw this line?
Yet, we have a lot of articles on arbitrary groupings that have little value. One can argue that the team of Austin and Hunter doesn't really belong, as they were ad-hoc and didn't do much together for too long, except that one would back the other up. Yet, we don't have an article on ECW Originals, as it's not formally a stable or a team, yet is a well-recognized arbitrary grouping (ie. a group of wrestlers who are in the new ECW, having been an alumnus of the old ECW).
What are your thoughts on this matter?
kelvSYC 22:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
May be pedantic, but shouldn't the venues read as:
(Event) took place on (date) at (venue); or (Event) was broadcast from (venue) on (date) rather than (Event) took place on (date) from (venue)
since events don't take place "from" somewhere ?
-- Dave. 14:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree. "From" doesn't sound right since events don't take place "from" somewhere. -- bulletproof 3:16 18:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking a few days ago about the state of the List of World Wrestling Entertainment alumni article and was thinking about a re-write. Currently it is in a weak state with the current alphabetical order by most notable ring name and it looks horrible now that I think about it. Plus, there has been confusion all over the page about the alphabetical order of the article, which name it should be listed by, etc. and the article itself had no sources.
Over the last couple of days I have re-written the article and for a chronological order instead of the past format. But instead of revertingback to the past (a plain link and date) I kept the table format and added a reference section so we can cite our work. It appears that most didn't find the current format appealing anyways. The new one is located at User:Moe Epsilon/WWE alumni. I am going to move it to the main article namespace to see how it goes from thereon.
What I need help with is more references. I added the Citation needed next to the ones I didn't find sources for. You guys can help by adding more sources to the References section. I will find more as the week progresses, but your help is wanted. semper fi — Moe 17:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I created an article on the Monster Factory, any help with it would be appreciated! Kris Classic 02:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should delete the Akram-Inoki wrestling match, does anybody else agree? Kris Classic 17:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
If you get a chance, check out the AFD for this page. The author of the page made this overly long argument about keeping it, which is one of the most hilarious things I've ever read here. Feel free to give your take on this. But personally, the topic is way too crufty and specific to deserve a page, and comes off as OR and NPOV. Booshakla 15:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
But personally, the topic is way too crufty and specific to deserve a page That same argument was basically used in an AfD for most of the wrestling move articles on Wikipedia. Both "Cruftiness" and specificity are not reasons for deletion from Wikipedia. Poorly formatted as it might be, John Dalton's comment cleanly dissects your AfD proposal and refutes your claims. In fact, WP:NOT#PAPER suggests that such an article is well within the scope of Wikipedia, namely splitting an article into separate articles and leaving adequate summaries is a natural part of growth for a topic. Personally, I would've expected the use of Tables, Ladders, or especially Chairs to have gained there own article by now rather than Thumbtacks, given the wide verity of ways those three items have been used before. Also, is there some sort of disagreement between yourself and John Dalton, as it seems like there is some underlying tensions in your second response to the AfD? -- Vladamire Steelwolf 13:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I've had the page on watch for some time and I've been defending it against people who add some names and remove others. But, this page is unsourced, and there are some that I have a hard time believing would sign a contract (ie. Owen Hart, because from what I've heard, Martha Hart wants nothing to do with the WWE). So, I think that unless somebody can find a source saying specifically who has signed a Legends contract, we should nominate this page for deletion. -- Scorpion 19:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Before I nominate it for deletion, can anybody provide a reason he should have an article? He doesn't seem too notable to me. TJ Spyke 00:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I have set up a requested move over on Edge's talk page to move the page. Express your opinion on the talk page if you want to. — mikedk9109 SIGN 23:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Does this page deserve to exist? I know she was on TV, but she was a less than notable valet. Any thoughts? Peace -- The Hyb rid 22:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
What to do about this? I assume merge it into Cage matches? 209.184.165.20 06:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm like brand new at this Wiki project so my question may be totally stupid. I've seen a lot of articles that are tagged with "Needs sources" or "Needs references". But what exactly needs some kind of source? That "Wrestler X" joined "Federation Y" in 2004? Do we need a source for title reigns? Is there some kind of guideline for wrestling articlles and references/sources? MPJ-DK 20:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that someone needs to take a look at the article, since I tagged it with the NPOV tag, due to the way the current article is written. Duo02 *dilly-dally shilly-shally** 05:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Nominated this page for deletion. PepsiPlunge 05:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Nominated this page for deletion. PepsiPlunge 01:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a suggestion for something to add to profiles of people/teams/stables who may not have a long and glorious career but still deserves more than just three lines of "Consisted of A, B, & C in the XYZFed in 1990 and 1991". We could add a "Notable Apperance" section (after Finishing Moves/Signature Moves and Championships) which would list the PPV / "Big Show" apperances of the person/team/stable in chronological order.
Big Shows = Clash of Champions, Saturday Night's Main Event shows of that nature and not regular television shows.
This should only be for those that really don't have that many apperances otherwise it becomes a HUGE list of Shawn Michaels' PPV apperances, which is nothing short of listcruft. But in cases where there are limited things to write maybe an apperance list could round out the information nicely?
I've even created an example of what I'm talking about in The Orient Express Article, it's always better to illustrate it with an example IMO. So what do you guys think? "Notable Apperances" for people/teams/stables with a limited pro-wrestling lifetime?? Yes? No? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MPJ-DK ( talk • contribs) 08:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
Does anybody else think we should change Karl Istaz to Karl Gotch? Kris Classic 20:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
What do you think should be the best way to list when a championship is held up? In the notes section, or in one big row? I think it should be in the notes section, with the long rows kept for more important things. Mshake3 02:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there really much of a need for any of these? They seem to fail a lot of points of WP:NOT, and there really aren't any other shows with ratings pages. I put up 2007 Wrestling Television Ratings up for AFD, as it's redundant and not needed. I encourage all of you to vote delete on the AFD. Booshakla 06:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really sure if this is how to tell others, but I just visited Koko's page and it looks like it could use a tune-up!-- Smart Mark Greene 22:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I am about to remove it again rom the "To Do" box because I've given it a major update & format editing. Sure the pre-WWF days could be expanded by someone who has a detailed knowledge of it but I'd say it's been brought up to date MPJ-DK 09:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
There's an article, The New Breed (professional wrestling), that I think something needs to be done about. I don't have any issues with the JCP tag team having an article, or even the ECW stable having an article, though I doubt the UK teams notability, but I think we need to split the articles since they're all so unrelated.
Any thoughts before I just do it?«» bd( talk stalk) 23:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Split em, tag team - stable, the ECW one could use some work, it reads fairly week by week in some parts. I made the (professional wrestling) one a disambig page, I'll fix redirects later.«» bd( talk stalk) 18:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I cleaned up the ECW Originals article, then added Merge templates to both that and the ECW New Breed articles because they're essentially the same article. I figure we can do it like the New Diesel and New Razor Ramon section on The Outsiders (WCW) page, since they're so connected. Opinions?«» bd( talk stalk) 17:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I just did a major overhaul on the Bobby Eaton article, I felt that the previous version was too short and cursory considering Eaton's long and illustrious career in wrestling. If there are any copyeditors out there who'd want to give it a once over and maybe also look at it's rating that'd be great. I am currently getting information together on Stan Lane and the Midnight Express history that doesn't include Bobby Eaton so that I can update those articles as well. Thanks MPJ-DK 13:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed "Matches" subsections springing up on some non-wrestlers articles Jim Ross and Paul Heyman have them, for two. Do we need these? They seem kind of pointless to me.«» bd( talk stalk) 18:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
For something as rare as this is (wrestling matches for notable announcers and managers), yes I find it worth mentioning. Mshake3 01:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I would say FIP is more then notable enough to have its own article, why doesn't it? Kris Classic 15:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I talked to Mailer diablo about restoring the Continental Wrestling Association page and he was nice enough to bring it back provided that I provide enough links and references to show that it's notable. I'm sure if you leave a message on his talk page he'll do the same for FIP, then it's up to someone to ensure that it meets the notoriety requirement. MPJ-DK 07:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There's been a bit of a move lately to delete the roster section of independent wrestling organisations pages. See NWA Shockwave, SHIMMER, EWF, SWA and IPW for example. The edits have been noted with things like "promotion articles should not contain rosters". Is this established policy for pro wrestling promotion articles? Is it a good general policy? Given that we have a whole category of pages of pro wrestling rosters the problem can't be that the rosters are in general non-notable. For feds with short articles the main page for the fed seems to be the most logical place for roster information. But I though I should throw this open to discussion rather than running around reverting in case the general feeling is that this is in fact a good policy. - Conniption 15:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Worse than that, loads and loads of active links are all becoming red links, because to me it seems like everyone is getting rid of indy promotions. All that will end up left will be WWE and TNA! Govvy 00:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody find out who portrays him? People keep saying it's Short Sleeve Sampson, despite the fact that Sampson is white and Little Boogeyman is black. TJ Spyke 02:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There are thousands of disputes about multiple things going on there right now. I've resigned from that article. It could really use some project love. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 07:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The dabate for that one is here. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 01:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Sadly, that is what it looks like. I have to ask everyone to remember that the issue isn't the disputes that have taken place, whether or not these two things exist, or how notable they are. These things lack sources, and the needed sources do not exist. They have not been verified, and never will be verified. The issue is verifiability, and notability does not equal verifiability. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 21:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I KEPT BOTH OF THEM; HOWEVER SOMEBODY HAS REINSTATED THEM AND THEREFORE THE VOTING CONTINUES. I DON'T KNOW WHY... Davnel03 19:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking, whenever something major happens, especially to an individual, the related articles tend to become magnets to editors. Both vandalism and good faith edits pile up say, when someone dies, a title change happens, or someone jumps companies. I don't know if anyone remembers the week or so after Bam Bam Bigelow died, but his article went insane with edits.
So I was thinking we can add an "articles to watch" section to the "To do" box to help project members keep their eye on some of these articles since we aren't allowed to request they be protected before anything happens.«» bd( talk stalk) 03:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Went ahead and added the section, put Awesome and Hennig in it.«» bd( talk stalk) 15:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Inviting anyone to come to Third_Anniversary_Celebration_Part_2 and give your opinions regarding proposed deletion of 3 DVD articles within our scope. Suriel1981 08:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
There use to be a load more of Ring of Honour DVDs on wiki, but they all got delete. I have watched a few of them on TWC in England, I'd have to say the matches are cool to watch but the quality sucks big time!! Anyway they are notable enough to me to keep and I feel there is enough information there to justify them. But I am only one vote compared to the army of WWE fans. :) Govvy 10:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've removed EVERYTHING about the third episode. Yes, it's been rumoured by the IWC as happening on March 10th, but I've removed it as:
Until it's mentioned, sorry, but it's unofficial! Davnel03 12:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be an edit war going on. Before he won the cruiserweight title at No Way Out he had 3 WWE championships. Now lots of people are trying to double that to 6. He now has 4 WWE Cruiserweight championships wins. But to help on this edit war that has arisen, I just requested page protection. Just thought I let everyone know about this. Govvy 18:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
2 WCW c/w titles (June 8 2000, December 5 2000) 4 WWE c/w titles (Feb 15 2004, May 6 2004, Feb 20 2005, Feb 18 2007) making 6 in total. Suriel1981 12:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | ← | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | Archive 17 | Archive 18 | → | Archive 20 |
I see smark (professional wrestling) was deleted last month but there are still many links goin to that page along with one suggestion to merge Smart (professional wrestling) into smark.. so i was just thinking maybe we should redirect smark into smart and add a brief definition of the term. To save us from removing the links -- Paulley
This has been deleted? Anyone know why? Given that it's part of a AfD, I feel such action shouldn't have been done until the AfD is settled. Vladamire Steelwolf 23:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I made a plea at WP:AN about the AfD, and an administrator closed it, and stated WP:IAR and WP:SNOW. So I guess we won the battle! To top it all off, due to the policy that WP:IAR states, those articles should never be put up for deletion again! -- Jลмєs Mลxx™ Msg me Contribs 03:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any point in this field? Nobody really knows where a wrestler lives, most additions are clearly un-referenced, and if it differs to from where they're billed it's largely irrelevant anyway. BertieBasset 16:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone made a great point about the problem with verification for shows which don't air reruns. Basically, he noted that for a normal show, you can verify what happened on a particular episode by watching a rerun of the show either in syndication or on DVD. However, professional wrestling (and soap operas and game shows), don't air regular reruns except for DVDs of pay-per-views. So if I tell you that "such and such happened" on a particular episode of Smackdown, the only way to verify it is if I also point you to a news story about the episode. You won't be able to watch the episode yourself.
On WikiProject Television, I suggested possibly looking at this for purposes of including it as a guideline for television article creation and deletion. Basically it sets a standard that an article about an episode or storyline for a show that doesn't have reruns needs to be verifiable by something else editors can reliably find, like a published article or "best of" DVD collection, etc. This would effectively prohibit most episode-by-episode articles about wrestling shows, but would allow for articles about their pay-per-views (which have DVDs) and articles about particular items which appear in "best of" wrestling collections. For instance, you couldn't write articles about most RAW episodes, but you could feasibly do an article about the famous "The Rock: This Is Your Life" episode since it is (I think) discussed on a couple of different DVD collections about RAW, Mick Foley and/or The Rock.
Rather than reply here, I'd suggest heading to WikiProject Television and leaving comments there. That way everybody on the TV project can see them, and the discussion can also cover game shows and soap operas. This might be a good start at resolving some of the questions I posted about earlier this month. Dugwiki 20:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Guys needs some help again another verdict sockpuppet has decided that Lesnars article doesnt need references and should not include his "In wrestling" section.. i have been trying to talk nicly with him and even made some head way but now hes gone back to to ignoring messages and repeated reverting the page -- Paulley
Just had a though, are the Velocity and Heat archeive still avaliable to you guy's in the USA.. and if so can you still watch the match by match. If you can, cant we reference those and link to the actual televised matches? --- Paulley
I have crossed referenced those via tv.com listing before, I have helped do a tv.com out, done a complete list for Velocity. Heat needs work on but it's not to bad either, it's not straight from the horses mouth, but they are pretty good for referencing. Govvy 12:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I brought this up about a month ago, about blocking PPV's to hide spoilers, however even though WrestleMania 23 is two months away, can't we block it from now till April 1st? It would be much simpler. Davnel03 12:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the support or oppose sections. This idea is blatantly against policy, so voting on it would be pointless. Please don't bring this up again, as anything that blatantly violates a Wikipedia policy will be shot down every time. Cheers, -- The Hyb rid 07:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I see a new user DogJesterExtra has removed all links to deathvalleydriver.com due to it being a fansite. Though i agree there is some cause to remove it as a true source, but i dont think it should be removed as an external link esspecially just because its a fansite... we allow a fansite in wrestler articles. On that note y is it an invalid source i mean anything written about wrestling is written by a fan of some kind..isnt it!??? -- Paulley
The reason I am removing them is because Deathvalleydriver.com does not meet WP:RS. DogJesterExtra 18:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made a first pass at cleaning up the "PPV Wars" section of pay-per-view. The second half (or so) remains intact and still needs pairing down. -- Geoff K. 17:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
May I also suggest merging this section into another article? Even with my substantial, incomplete edit, it's still larger than the main body of the article on PPV itself. It does contain relevant, encyclopedic info, but perhaps it would be more useful somewhere like Monday Night Wars?-- Geoff K. 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey. Just wanted to get a few people's opinions on possibly creating WWA pay-per-view articles, or rather one large article if they're not notable enough. Are they notable enough? The promotion was internationally reknowned and did shows in numerous countries so I'll let you guys be the judges. Normy 132 04:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Since no-one opposed ^, we should now select the guidelines for information that could be in the info lines.
My first suggestions are:
What else should be in? Do you disagree with something? ↪ Lakes ( Talk) 09:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
What about move information which is already written in pros but in the career text. For example Samoa Joes ole kick innovation as referenced in his ROH section as
“ | It was also at this event that Joe developed his infamous "Olé Olé Kick" move; an idea which got after watching a commercial during the English FA Cup (football/soccer) final. Low Ki challenged Joe to "get the crowd to chant Ole Ole Ole," which Joe accepted, and during his match with Zebra Kid he positioned the Kid on a chair, and performed the move thus the Ole Kick was born. | ” |
would we be moving that out of the career section outting it under the new format. --- Paulley
I added him to the list of articles to be created. He is the only non-functional link at WrestleMania III. Govvy 15:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I did one google search found very little information, The other midgets in that match have very small articles. Do you not think that even a small article will help? Govvy 10:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Just notifying recent changes and discussion at Anoa'i family, Reno Anoa'i and Jimmy Snuka. Str1977 (smile back) 08:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, as a wrestling fan I've just paid a visit to the WrestleMania 23 article and it is occurring to me that somebody is about to drop a bomb and start an edit war any time soon. So, as far as matches are concerned (and this applies to all PPVs, not just WM) if a wrestler wins a #1 contender's match and the championship and opponent are unknown but the match is certainly confirmed, what do we do? We can't not list it, it's a confirmed match. But we can't list an opponent and title because we don't know who and what it is. So this is what I propose. The match does get listed and it gets listed as it stands. So in the case of the WM main event it would be Undertaker vs. Batista for the WHC simply because that what the match is at the current time until WWE can prove us otherwise. Feel free to bring up any other ideas about this. Normy 132 02:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Oakster brought up a question in Archive 6 that I never really saw answered. What is the basis for posted match times? Is it bell-to-bell, or first interaction to decision, or does it start at the ring entrances? Some clarity on this could aid in standardizing match times. (Yes, I am a stat nerd.) -- EazieCheeze 18:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Somebody created an article for this obviously temporary team. I prodded it, but somebody might want to keep an eye on it. TJ Spyke 00:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The above post jogged my memory: to restate a point frrom the Big Dick Johnson thread, I think we could do without this and similar pages that amount to a directory of WWE staff. Simply saying he's a booker and he's responsible for pushing The Great Khali is hardly notable on its own and amounts to cruft biography. Unless somebody objects (and until he becomes a major behind-the-scenes player), I'd like to move ahead with the nom for deletion. -- Geoff K. 20:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Did a lot of work cutting down the post-WCW part of this article as there was tons and tons and tons of unneeded cruft and play-by-play. 192.204.106.2 15:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
One issue that the project has to take a stance on is the definition of tagcruft - articles on arbitrary groups of wrestlers. The general idea which is captured by this spirit is that ad-hoc groupings are not particularly worthy, and the only "reasonable" article on groups of wrestlers is if they form a well-known stable, team, or even feud. Having said that, I think it might be time to get a group policy on this.
The pairing of two wrestlers at random should not, under any normal circumstance, constitute an article. On the other hand, certain groups of wrestlers do have meaning - that's why they form teams, stables, or feud with each other. Where do we draw this line?
Yet, we have a lot of articles on arbitrary groupings that have little value. One can argue that the team of Austin and Hunter doesn't really belong, as they were ad-hoc and didn't do much together for too long, except that one would back the other up. Yet, we don't have an article on ECW Originals, as it's not formally a stable or a team, yet is a well-recognized arbitrary grouping (ie. a group of wrestlers who are in the new ECW, having been an alumnus of the old ECW).
What are your thoughts on this matter?
kelvSYC 22:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
May be pedantic, but shouldn't the venues read as:
(Event) took place on (date) at (venue); or (Event) was broadcast from (venue) on (date) rather than (Event) took place on (date) from (venue)
since events don't take place "from" somewhere ?
-- Dave. 14:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree. "From" doesn't sound right since events don't take place "from" somewhere. -- bulletproof 3:16 18:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking a few days ago about the state of the List of World Wrestling Entertainment alumni article and was thinking about a re-write. Currently it is in a weak state with the current alphabetical order by most notable ring name and it looks horrible now that I think about it. Plus, there has been confusion all over the page about the alphabetical order of the article, which name it should be listed by, etc. and the article itself had no sources.
Over the last couple of days I have re-written the article and for a chronological order instead of the past format. But instead of revertingback to the past (a plain link and date) I kept the table format and added a reference section so we can cite our work. It appears that most didn't find the current format appealing anyways. The new one is located at User:Moe Epsilon/WWE alumni. I am going to move it to the main article namespace to see how it goes from thereon.
What I need help with is more references. I added the Citation needed next to the ones I didn't find sources for. You guys can help by adding more sources to the References section. I will find more as the week progresses, but your help is wanted. semper fi — Moe 17:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I created an article on the Monster Factory, any help with it would be appreciated! Kris Classic 02:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should delete the Akram-Inoki wrestling match, does anybody else agree? Kris Classic 17:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
If you get a chance, check out the AFD for this page. The author of the page made this overly long argument about keeping it, which is one of the most hilarious things I've ever read here. Feel free to give your take on this. But personally, the topic is way too crufty and specific to deserve a page, and comes off as OR and NPOV. Booshakla 15:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
But personally, the topic is way too crufty and specific to deserve a page That same argument was basically used in an AfD for most of the wrestling move articles on Wikipedia. Both "Cruftiness" and specificity are not reasons for deletion from Wikipedia. Poorly formatted as it might be, John Dalton's comment cleanly dissects your AfD proposal and refutes your claims. In fact, WP:NOT#PAPER suggests that such an article is well within the scope of Wikipedia, namely splitting an article into separate articles and leaving adequate summaries is a natural part of growth for a topic. Personally, I would've expected the use of Tables, Ladders, or especially Chairs to have gained there own article by now rather than Thumbtacks, given the wide verity of ways those three items have been used before. Also, is there some sort of disagreement between yourself and John Dalton, as it seems like there is some underlying tensions in your second response to the AfD? -- Vladamire Steelwolf 13:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I've had the page on watch for some time and I've been defending it against people who add some names and remove others. But, this page is unsourced, and there are some that I have a hard time believing would sign a contract (ie. Owen Hart, because from what I've heard, Martha Hart wants nothing to do with the WWE). So, I think that unless somebody can find a source saying specifically who has signed a Legends contract, we should nominate this page for deletion. -- Scorpion 19:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Before I nominate it for deletion, can anybody provide a reason he should have an article? He doesn't seem too notable to me. TJ Spyke 00:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I have set up a requested move over on Edge's talk page to move the page. Express your opinion on the talk page if you want to. — mikedk9109 SIGN 23:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Does this page deserve to exist? I know she was on TV, but she was a less than notable valet. Any thoughts? Peace -- The Hyb rid 22:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
What to do about this? I assume merge it into Cage matches? 209.184.165.20 06:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm like brand new at this Wiki project so my question may be totally stupid. I've seen a lot of articles that are tagged with "Needs sources" or "Needs references". But what exactly needs some kind of source? That "Wrestler X" joined "Federation Y" in 2004? Do we need a source for title reigns? Is there some kind of guideline for wrestling articlles and references/sources? MPJ-DK 20:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that someone needs to take a look at the article, since I tagged it with the NPOV tag, due to the way the current article is written. Duo02 *dilly-dally shilly-shally** 05:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Nominated this page for deletion. PepsiPlunge 05:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Nominated this page for deletion. PepsiPlunge 01:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a suggestion for something to add to profiles of people/teams/stables who may not have a long and glorious career but still deserves more than just three lines of "Consisted of A, B, & C in the XYZFed in 1990 and 1991". We could add a "Notable Apperance" section (after Finishing Moves/Signature Moves and Championships) which would list the PPV / "Big Show" apperances of the person/team/stable in chronological order.
Big Shows = Clash of Champions, Saturday Night's Main Event shows of that nature and not regular television shows.
This should only be for those that really don't have that many apperances otherwise it becomes a HUGE list of Shawn Michaels' PPV apperances, which is nothing short of listcruft. But in cases where there are limited things to write maybe an apperance list could round out the information nicely?
I've even created an example of what I'm talking about in The Orient Express Article, it's always better to illustrate it with an example IMO. So what do you guys think? "Notable Apperances" for people/teams/stables with a limited pro-wrestling lifetime?? Yes? No? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MPJ-DK ( talk • contribs) 08:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
Does anybody else think we should change Karl Istaz to Karl Gotch? Kris Classic 20:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
What do you think should be the best way to list when a championship is held up? In the notes section, or in one big row? I think it should be in the notes section, with the long rows kept for more important things. Mshake3 02:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there really much of a need for any of these? They seem to fail a lot of points of WP:NOT, and there really aren't any other shows with ratings pages. I put up 2007 Wrestling Television Ratings up for AFD, as it's redundant and not needed. I encourage all of you to vote delete on the AFD. Booshakla 06:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really sure if this is how to tell others, but I just visited Koko's page and it looks like it could use a tune-up!-- Smart Mark Greene 22:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I am about to remove it again rom the "To Do" box because I've given it a major update & format editing. Sure the pre-WWF days could be expanded by someone who has a detailed knowledge of it but I'd say it's been brought up to date MPJ-DK 09:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
There's an article, The New Breed (professional wrestling), that I think something needs to be done about. I don't have any issues with the JCP tag team having an article, or even the ECW stable having an article, though I doubt the UK teams notability, but I think we need to split the articles since they're all so unrelated.
Any thoughts before I just do it?«» bd( talk stalk) 23:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Split em, tag team - stable, the ECW one could use some work, it reads fairly week by week in some parts. I made the (professional wrestling) one a disambig page, I'll fix redirects later.«» bd( talk stalk) 18:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I cleaned up the ECW Originals article, then added Merge templates to both that and the ECW New Breed articles because they're essentially the same article. I figure we can do it like the New Diesel and New Razor Ramon section on The Outsiders (WCW) page, since they're so connected. Opinions?«» bd( talk stalk) 17:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I just did a major overhaul on the Bobby Eaton article, I felt that the previous version was too short and cursory considering Eaton's long and illustrious career in wrestling. If there are any copyeditors out there who'd want to give it a once over and maybe also look at it's rating that'd be great. I am currently getting information together on Stan Lane and the Midnight Express history that doesn't include Bobby Eaton so that I can update those articles as well. Thanks MPJ-DK 13:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed "Matches" subsections springing up on some non-wrestlers articles Jim Ross and Paul Heyman have them, for two. Do we need these? They seem kind of pointless to me.«» bd( talk stalk) 18:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
For something as rare as this is (wrestling matches for notable announcers and managers), yes I find it worth mentioning. Mshake3 01:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I would say FIP is more then notable enough to have its own article, why doesn't it? Kris Classic 15:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I talked to Mailer diablo about restoring the Continental Wrestling Association page and he was nice enough to bring it back provided that I provide enough links and references to show that it's notable. I'm sure if you leave a message on his talk page he'll do the same for FIP, then it's up to someone to ensure that it meets the notoriety requirement. MPJ-DK 07:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There's been a bit of a move lately to delete the roster section of independent wrestling organisations pages. See NWA Shockwave, SHIMMER, EWF, SWA and IPW for example. The edits have been noted with things like "promotion articles should not contain rosters". Is this established policy for pro wrestling promotion articles? Is it a good general policy? Given that we have a whole category of pages of pro wrestling rosters the problem can't be that the rosters are in general non-notable. For feds with short articles the main page for the fed seems to be the most logical place for roster information. But I though I should throw this open to discussion rather than running around reverting in case the general feeling is that this is in fact a good policy. - Conniption 15:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Worse than that, loads and loads of active links are all becoming red links, because to me it seems like everyone is getting rid of indy promotions. All that will end up left will be WWE and TNA! Govvy 00:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody find out who portrays him? People keep saying it's Short Sleeve Sampson, despite the fact that Sampson is white and Little Boogeyman is black. TJ Spyke 02:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There are thousands of disputes about multiple things going on there right now. I've resigned from that article. It could really use some project love. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 07:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The dabate for that one is here. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 01:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Sadly, that is what it looks like. I have to ask everyone to remember that the issue isn't the disputes that have taken place, whether or not these two things exist, or how notable they are. These things lack sources, and the needed sources do not exist. They have not been verified, and never will be verified. The issue is verifiability, and notability does not equal verifiability. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 21:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I KEPT BOTH OF THEM; HOWEVER SOMEBODY HAS REINSTATED THEM AND THEREFORE THE VOTING CONTINUES. I DON'T KNOW WHY... Davnel03 19:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking, whenever something major happens, especially to an individual, the related articles tend to become magnets to editors. Both vandalism and good faith edits pile up say, when someone dies, a title change happens, or someone jumps companies. I don't know if anyone remembers the week or so after Bam Bam Bigelow died, but his article went insane with edits.
So I was thinking we can add an "articles to watch" section to the "To do" box to help project members keep their eye on some of these articles since we aren't allowed to request they be protected before anything happens.«» bd( talk stalk) 03:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Went ahead and added the section, put Awesome and Hennig in it.«» bd( talk stalk) 15:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Inviting anyone to come to Third_Anniversary_Celebration_Part_2 and give your opinions regarding proposed deletion of 3 DVD articles within our scope. Suriel1981 08:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
There use to be a load more of Ring of Honour DVDs on wiki, but they all got delete. I have watched a few of them on TWC in England, I'd have to say the matches are cool to watch but the quality sucks big time!! Anyway they are notable enough to me to keep and I feel there is enough information there to justify them. But I am only one vote compared to the army of WWE fans. :) Govvy 10:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've removed EVERYTHING about the third episode. Yes, it's been rumoured by the IWC as happening on March 10th, but I've removed it as:
Until it's mentioned, sorry, but it's unofficial! Davnel03 12:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be an edit war going on. Before he won the cruiserweight title at No Way Out he had 3 WWE championships. Now lots of people are trying to double that to 6. He now has 4 WWE Cruiserweight championships wins. But to help on this edit war that has arisen, I just requested page protection. Just thought I let everyone know about this. Govvy 18:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
2 WCW c/w titles (June 8 2000, December 5 2000) 4 WWE c/w titles (Feb 15 2004, May 6 2004, Feb 20 2005, Feb 18 2007) making 6 in total. Suriel1981 12:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)