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Just wanna hear some opinions on this:
How should we list wrestlers who are not part of any brand on Royal Rumble article pages? Obviously this would only apply to those Rumbles which took place during a brand extension period, where brands and such are specifically listed.
My thoughts - WWE Hall of Famers should be listed as such, as that's how they're listed on WWE.com.
Likewise, "guest entries" are by and large listed on WWE.com as alumni.
So here's the thing - should we separate HOFers and alumni as WWE does on their superstar page, or should everybody without a specific brand just be dumped in 1 bucket?
Since WWE itself separates HOFers from alumni on their roster page, we should kinda follow suit - that's where I sit...what say you?
Vjmlhds (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
In the Vince Russo article, it says after the Bash at the Beach 2000 match, Hulk Hogan cut a worked shoot because of the way things were booked. Was it actually a worked shoot? I haven't been able to find a source that says it was worked. Around that time a lot of talent were leaving because of the state of the company. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 21:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is there a Japanese wrestling bio stub template? It's highly redundant and unnecessary when there is the wrestling bio stub template. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 18:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this template generating unusual whitespace at the beginning of an article? I don't see any particular reason it should be looking at the code and based on my knowledge of infobox templates, so I'm wondering if someone with more infobox-fu can take a look and see what might be causing it. oknazevad ( talk) 23:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello. As you know, WWE says that NXT is no longer the farm territory. Instead, it's the third brand. However, despite WWE efforts, many people still calling it farm territory. Recently, Adam Cole defended NXT status as main roster, but yesterday, PWInsider said Priest made his main roster debut. It's not the first time reliable sources uses the word main roster, call-up or similar. Since WP:NPOV says " representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic" and WWE is known for changing story for his benefit, do you think that, at least, we should mention this in the NXT article? Something like "despite being promoted as the third brand, several fans and journalist refereed NXT as a no-main roster brand/farm territory" -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
At the end of the day, the league/promotion is the one who says what is and isn't true about their own property.
Independent sources are useful to see if a wrestler (or to broaden it out any player of a sport) has signed with a promotion/league/team/brand or if a major announcement is made, but NOT to decide how certain things in a promotion or sports league are to be categorized, as it isn't their call to make (and by extension not our call to make).
If Wikipedia consensus says the sky is green and the grass is blue, it doesn't mean it is.
Vjmlhds (talk) 13:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
No, proper translation: quit whining because you're too lazy to put in the effort that everyone else has. You're not special. oknazevad ( talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
(
edit conflict) Come on, people -- this is getting a bit out of hand. Let's all remember to be
WP:CIVIL; we're all friends here, and just trying to better Wikipedia. For what it's worth I'm in full agreement with
HHH Pedrigree here as he's backed up his view points with the appropriate policy. That said I don't agree with the exact wording he's chosen (despite being promoted as the third brand, several fans and journalist refereed NXT as a no-main roster brand/farm territory
). However I wonder if we could have our cake and eat it too by referring to it as both developmental and a third brand -- though in such a way that it doesn't imply that it's "main roster". —
Czello 15:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
It's on USA Network in prime time...how is that not main roster?I'm sorry, but this is just straight up WP:OR, dude -- it's your interpretation of things. Can't say you'll get any agreement with your view that there should only be two policies, either, but I think that's something you'll have to take up at WP:VPP. — Czello 15:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Sigh, HHH Pedrigree often tries to site policies, which of course is not wrong; however, he is trying to apply it to something that it really cannot be applied to. Independent sources cannot say what is and is not WWE's developmental system. They do not make that decision. They cannot make that decision. They can only provide a viewpoint. That's it and that has appropriately been included into the NXT article. This is not a case of "parroting WWE's self-promotional line" as oknazevad puts it. Saying WWE are the "greatest promotion ever" would be doing that. Classifying what is and is not the stage in which they train and prep their wrestlers for in-ring and promotional work, particularly for television, is not. Vjmlhds is taking a very incorrect approach in regard to refuting policies, but this classification of whether or not NXT is the third brand or that the NXT Championship is a world championship, I do agree with him. HHH Pedrigree attempted to cite Wikipedia:PRIMARYCARE, but it actually supports my own argument, as well as Vjmlhds' (although he hasn't exactly done the best to defend his argument). -- JDC808 ♫ 16:42, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
How is this not a personal attack? Vjmlhds (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Okay everyone, instead of us all cutting promos on each other does anyone have anything else they want to actually contribute to the discussion at hand? Because if not I'm just gonna hat this conversation to prevent it spiraling out of control. WP:CHILL, everyone — Czello 18:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree completely with JDC808. We don't decide what is a developmental territory. We don't decide what is a world championship. Secondary sources don't get to make that call. If the promotion says that something is a developmental territory, then it is. If a promotion calls something a world championship, then it is. If a promotion says something is a third brand, then it is. I agree that people can come across as obnoxious when linking to a policy or guideline. I agree that many people link to policies or guidelines that don't actually apply. I agree that we need policies and guidelines. I agree that HHH Pedrigree is completely out of line with the way he is addressing Vjmlhds. I do not believe an apology is forthcoming. I think everyone should shut up and move on with life. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
There's an RfC at Talk:NXT (WWE brand)#Requests for Comment: "third brand"/"main roster" regarding the "main roster"/"third brand" dispute. Vjmlhds started another discussion about the NXT Championship at Talk:NXT Championship#World title Part II. The articles should remain as they were until these RfCs are closed by an uninvolved editor. If this ends up at WP:ANI it's going to be a bloodbath, so take it easy. LM2000 ( talk) 02:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
To respond to JDC808, you can't use a promotion as development system when it's defunct ala Evolve. July 2, 2020; WWE bought the promotion. Plus, Evolve wasn't a development promotion. Evolve was used to scout talent nothing more. If it was used as a developmental promotion, people would be signed to some sort developmental contract to start. Or so one would think. But it wasn't a developmental promotion unlike Deep South Wrestling, Florida Championship Wrestling, and Ohio Valley Wrestling.
You said Finn Balor is the only one who went back to NXT. That means Breezango are not there now and were not NXT Tag Team Champions. That also means Charlotte Flair didn't go back for that brief period last year and Ember Moon is not there now for the second time. They may not get drafted to Raw or SmackDown, but that doesn't mean the talent on Raw or SmackDown aren't able to go there. With how things are seemingly shaping up, Edge might go there to challenge for the NXT Championship. Than again, he is a "free agent" and is not bound to Raw or SmackDown. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 10:20, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I found a few sites that are saying Carlito is on a thee week trial run. Side note, MVP advocated for his return. 411Mania and What Culture both cite Wrestling Inc. as a source. While 411Mania is listed as semi-reliable, What Culture and Wrestling Inc. are listed as unreliable. Cultaholic is reporting on it. It's posted on Reddit. Nothing from the listed reliable sites showed in the search results. Why are unreliable sources reporting on it, but reliable sources seemingly not? If someone can find a reliable to add this information to the article, that would be great. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 18:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm not super savvy on notability guidelines for pro wrestlers, so I wasn't sure if this person would pass notability guidelines. There's a lot of coverage, but it appears to focus on his decision to partake in the WWE India tryouts.
Anyone want to take a look? The draft is Draft:Badshah Khan (wrestler). ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 08:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Brian Pillman has made a comment on his Twitter that " None of my photos on my IG are copyrighted". This is in a conversation about how he wishes for his Wikipedia infobox image to be updated with a better image. Can we take this comment as indication that his selfies and other photos he has taken himself are posted on his Instagram are Public Domain? ★Trekker ( talk) 19:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Wrestlers have been known to take out insurance policies with Lloyd's of London. Curt Hennig and Animal were two of many. They got paid out big lump sums. Apparently, they milked their injuries. Bret had a policy with them. He wasn't paid out and thus sued them in 2003. In 2004, Lloyd's of London paid $800,000 to Bret. When WWE was promoting the match between Bret and Vince WrestleMania 26, Lloyd's wasn't happy. The creative had to figure something else out. That's why they started teasing a tag team match with Bret and John Cena vs. Vince and Batista. Eventually, WWE and Lloyd's came to an agreement and the Bret vs. Vince happened. Just wonder if this sort of thing should be added to articles. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 09:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
This is a discussion 10 years ago, but times have changed, editors have changed, so let's see where we are in 2021 as compared to 2011.
Doing wrestling company templates in the colors of the company - yes, no, maybe?
What say the " peanut gallery"?
Vjmlhds (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
I took a suggestion of Czello's and modified it, by using "softer" versions of the black and white color scheme so it doesn't smack you over the head with a sledgehammer. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Not a fan personally. My main concern is that accessibility is being compromised in the name of aesthetics. McPhail ( talk) 09:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
In Roman Reigns article User:ItsKesha is at it again, removing WP:RS contents based on personal views saying things like "there is no such thing as a non-biological cousin", despite the source provided in the article [2] clearly saying they are cousins, quoting directly "The 28-year-old is a member of the legendary Anoa’i family, a dynasty with wrestling running through its veins. Anoa’i’s father, Sika, is one-half of the WWE Hall of Fame tag team The Wild Samoans, and a sampling of his cousins includes Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, the Uso brothers, Rikishi, Umaga, and Yokozuna." and this has been widely accepted for years. Saying the are unrelated without providing any soure that claims Rock and Reigns are unrelated or seeing WP:RfC based on individual personal views is clear WP:NOR and WP:BLP violation. Anyway I am very busy these days and won't check back, this may even be my final edit for a long time, but I am just notifying WP:PW members of the matter, you guys can seek a consensus and decide, but I feel we should go with what WP:RS says which is they are cousins. Take care all. Dilbaggg ( talk) 14:13, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
"Non-biological cousin" is an unusual phrasing. How about "consider themselves cousins" or similar? McPhail ( talk) 20:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
I posted this on the sources talk page, but not sure how many will see this, so I'll mention it here as well. If you're on an article and see an unreliable or unproven source, change it or remove it. Don't look at it and think someone else will deal with it. I added Nick Patrick to List of former WWE personnel (N–R) and found such sources for other entries. I either changed or removed them. We should be more of a stickler with sources in terms of not letting them slip through the cracks. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 12:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
SoCal Uncensored. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 25#SoCal Uncensored until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
162.208.168.92 (
talk) 18:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
There is a move request to rename SoCal Uncensored (professional wrestling) to SoCal Uncensored. Please discuss at Talk:SoCal_Uncensored_(professional_wrestling)#Requested_move_31_March_2021 AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 17:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed that during Mitsuharu Misawa's GA review, the reviewer requested that the C&A section be split into a new article and Mitsuharu Misawa's championships and accomplishments was then created. Although this is the first time I've seen them done for wrestling, it's not uncommon to split awards from actor or musician articles. It's worth considering adding something to the styles guide so that we have some guidance on when these splits should happen ( WP:FILMCRITICLIST just says such an article should be created when it "overwhelms the rest of the film article"). LM2000 ( talk) 20:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
I’m currently in an issue with a IP address user who constantly reverts my changes on the Grand Slam (professional wrestling) page. It’s in regards to the ‘2-time Grand Slam Champion’ text key where I’ve put The Miz and AJ Styles’ names in italics to indicate that they’ve won the Grand Slam more than once. This user has be constantly reverting these and adding ‘2 times’ next to their names (whole also removing the citations next to each wrestler’s name). I don’t know how else to deal with this, but if anyone knows what to do, please reply ASAP. Thanks Drummoe ( talk) 02:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
On the main article list of former WWE personnel it says:
"When talent is released of their contract, it could be for a budget cut, the individual asking for their release, for personal reasons, time off for an injury, or retirement."
Time off for an injury is not the same as being released. Generally, a company such as WWE doesn't release someone when they injured. That's a terrible business practice if they did. Plus, it could lead to a lot of other legal issues. That's not the point. WWE adds injury time to contracts. Unless there is proof with a source they do that, "time off for an injury" is not why someone would get released. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 07:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
In recent contributions to the History of WWE article , ip [User talk:24.38.208.110] made many edits starting from [3] in which he claims Attitude Era began in 1996, despite wider acceptance being 1997, requesting evaluation of the edits this ip made to the article on its revision history on April 11. Personally, I am following WWF since 1999, and while the attitude era is what git me into wrestling I didnt care for when its started, but as a member of wikipedia I hope the article maintains proper authenticity. Are the edits if this ip agreeable or not, an WP:RfC would be best. Dilbaggg ( talk) 14:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Fun fact: the montage that opens the broadcast that was used throughout the Attitude Era was first used for Survivor Series 97. So there's that data point. I remember Joey Styles once dated it to the debut of the Titantron in early 97 as that allowed the live crowd to see what was happening backstage more easily, leading to a greater use of such segments, which are sometimes noted as the defining convention of the AE, which is also an interesting take. But, overall, secondary sources are needed. oknazevad ( talk) 18:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Is there something in the MoS about how we should label them? Both David Arquette and Dennis Rodman list them as professional wrestlers in the lead, but there is a user that is irked about Bad Bunny being listed as such. Since he is shouting and posting long edit summaries, I would prefer to discuss this. El Alternativo ( talk) 04:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Yesterday, I visited Dorton Arena to take photographs of the building. Today, I looked at the article to see if any of the photos could be used. After reading the article, a long-simmering complaint came bubbling up to the surface. In general, many arena articles are blatant POV exercises skewed by ice hockey fanboys. Specific to the complaint, arena tenancies are portrayed solely as involving named sports teams. Also, these articles skew the coverage of wrestling shows towards PPV and similar events from the past 25-30 years.
Having gone over the background, here's the crux of the complaint. The article states "Dorton Arena has hosted numerous sporting events and teams throughout the decades. The longest-running tenant was the Raleigh IceCaps (ECHL) ice hockey team from 1991–1998." If a wrestling promoter held regularly-scheduled shows in an arena for X number of years, that's a tenancy. Really, that applies to any sort of promoter or event, but that's beside the point. I'm pretty sure the Murnick family (local promoters for JCP) held regularly-scheduled wrestling shows at Dorton for far longer than seven years. This isn't a WP:SOFIXIT deal involving one edit to one article, as this problem is pretty widespread across many articles. I'm not sure many others look at it this way, otherwise this POV wouldn't be so pervasive, so I'd be interested in hearing what others think about this. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
There's a discussion on Talk:Kenny Omega ( | subject | history | links | watch | logs) about whether the term "triple world champion" should be included in the article. Your views and comments would be much appreciated. Thank you all! KyleJoan talk 08:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm seeing that some professional wrestling BLPs contain the {{ Infobox YouTube personality}} template in the other media section, which I find odd since the template is intended to replace the {{ Infobox person}} template for YouTube personalities. That aside, I'm not sure I would regard any wrestler as notable as a YouTube personality. Yes, some wrestlers post vlogs, and it becomes a gray area when reliable sources discuss the vlogs' content (e.g., Sammy Guevara's apology to Sasha Banks), but more often than not, the vlogs and channels themselves aren't notable either. The only exceptions I can think of are UpUpDownDown and Being the Elite, but it's also arguable whether those channels make their creators notable as YouTube personalities. Thoughts? KyleJoan talk 08:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
If I proposed "New Japan Pro-Wrestling World" → "NJPW World" again, would I have support from anyone here? I tried recently but gave the wrong reason. Also, no one contributed to the discussion. Wanchan2020 ( talk) 23:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Agree. It's tje common name and official name-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
An article which may be of interest to members of this project—
List of IWGP Intercontinental Champions—has been proposed for
merging with
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Category:Professional wrestling articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 05:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:BLPN#Template:Infobox professional wrestler on whether or not billed heights constitute a BLP violation, since Batista's publicist tried changing his exaggerated billed height to his actual height and discussion ensued. Please comment there if you have input. Thanks. DrewieStewie ( talk) 11:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I noticed a good number of articles link directly to official or semi official pictures. Is there a project policy preferring these pictures over pictures taken by contributors? I have an image I took of a title that is good quality, but I dont know if it would be preferred in the article. The belts are copyrighted no matter who took the picture so I don't know if there is a benefit in replacing the image or not. Sephiroth storm ( talk) 17:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
I would think that, in making a fair use claim, there's a difference between images in which the copyrighted belt is the focal point vs. incidentally worn or held by the subject. A picture of the belt itself would be considered replaceable if there is an alternative to a high-resolution/close-up picture of the details. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 13:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Example 1
Example 2
Which format/style is more suitable? A (with NXT) or B (without NXT)? Wario-Man talk 14:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there a consensus about how the promotion's top belt was referred to at various points? Much of my editing has focused on 1992-1996 (particularly pay per views). I regularly see people change the name of the belt title from WWF World Heavyweight Championship to WWF Championship, then back again and repeat. I don't really care one way or the other, but I get tired of the changes. Any thoughts? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 06:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
The user Special:Contributions/AnnaLyna has started adding WWE 50 Greatest Women Superstars to Championships and accomplishments of female wrestlers; e.g. [4] [5] [6]. Is that WWE 50 Greatest Women Superstars [7] notable? Wario-Man talk 04:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
may be of interest to this project. Hog Farm Talk 22:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
If anybody interested could add Joey Ryan (wrestler) to their watchlists, it would be a great help. The article was always going to be a BLP nightmare but lately some SPAs have been adding poorly referenced material regarding the allegations against him. LM2000 ( talk) 07:10, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I’ve started compiling a table of Raw episodes over on my personal sandbox, I wanted to get peoples opinions on this, obviously this has never been done on Wikipedia besides the lists of special episodes of RAW, Smackdown, Dynamite etc.
I’ve completed 1993-94 so far, before continuing on, I really just wanted to gather some opinions, would this be a useful article, or am I wasting my time, would it be better off split into different time periods to avoid a huge list?
Sandbox link: User:Copper1993/sandbox
Copper1993 ( talk) 14:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi ItsKesha, thanks for the ideas! I feel like that’s what I had in the back of my mind but I just couldn’t work out the best way to approach it, I really like the idea of being able to provide an overview of each year, I’m hoping this can become a group effort, maybe different people can work on specific years once we’ve got a format in place. Copper1993 ( talk) 15:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Czello That was my biggest concern, especially since it would be quite a time consuming project.. I’ll leave it for the time being until we can come up with some other suggestions, if we could perhaps expand on each episode by including the card, and any addition information rather than just have a basic list, it might prove to be more useful, although again...very time consuming when all said and done. Copper1993 ( talk) 19:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
I’ve gone ahead and modified my table a bit, for the debut episode I’ve added in the full card underneath the episode information, obviously the ‘Final match’ column would be deleted, but this gives a basic idea of how it would look, any thoughts? User:Copper1993/sandbox Copper1993 ( talk) 11:49, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I’ve also added in details on various segments in paragraphs above the card list, I feel that if we’re able to provide information like this it stops it from becoming simple a list of dates, I’m not sure if there’s a better place I can put this other that my sandbox, ideally I’d like to put it in a place where others can work on it too, is there any way to do so? A project subpage perhaps, starting with the debut episode and then we can work down from there? Copper1993 ( talk) 16:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Exactly why I’ve opted to remove that column entirely and add in a paragraph underneath listing the entire card, once I started seeing that most of the early shows ended with jobber matches, I figured it was a dumb idea. If you check my sandbox now I’ve added in a much more detailed description to the debut RAW Copper1993 ( talk) 00:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I’ve gone ahead and started a subpage within the project page wikipedia:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling/RawDatabase anyone feel free to make changes/contribute Copper1993 ( talk) 13:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
We’ve started compiling the detailed list if anyone would like to help: Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/RawDatabase Copper1993 ( talk) 02:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
This was a real WWF charity project for a while. Was promoted on global TV and the Internet still remembers. But Wikipedia barely mentions it, except for one lesser-known bio (on whom I shall not mention here). Something to think about for a creative type. It wouldn't run afoul of any advocacy prohibitions I'm aware of, since that particular generation of starving kids grew up or moved on long ago, but still seemingly "good to know" from a historical wrasslin' perspective. My efficient and resourceful days are behind me, so it's up to you, members of this general audience, to carry my relaxed idealism forward! Or not, of course. InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I've created a request for comment to get views on this topic from the wider community. McPhail ( talk) 13:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Requesting to let https://www.pwmania.com/ to be used as a WP:PW/RS again. It no longer uses the author Marc Middleton, for which it was classified as unreliable. Besides just one mistaken report doesn't make you entirely wrong. In 2014 Dave Meltzer mistakenly reported that CM Punk will return to WWE, [9], [10], but I see people are biased regarding him and always cites anything he says as reliable. But other authors, for just one incorrect report, gets labeled unreliable. Either ways, PWMania is one of the oldest and most reliable wrestling news sources, Marc Middleton no longer workks for them since =2016, and since 2016 you will not find a single article by them which is inaccurate, also just visit, you will be impressed by their professionalism, site layout, accuracy, everything. So I deeply request PWmania to be reclassified as a reliable WP:PW/RS. Dilbaggg ( talk) 06:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
I created this top icon for WikiProject Professional wrestling:
Your thoughts? The template documentation may need some improvements; e.g. more details or clarification. Wario-Man talk 12:19, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Would someone please add it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list? Wario-Man talk 15:44, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I posted this on the talk page for the template, I am also posting here for visibility. I am proposing major revisions to the current Infobox professional wrestler format: a "Promotion" parameter, a "Notable Tag Team(s)" parameter, and a "Stable(s)" parameter. Holidayruin ( talk) 04:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Posting again. Need people to build a consensus! Come and state your thoughts on adding a new parameter. If the change goes through it might be a lot of work for this WikiProject! Holidayruin ( talk) 04:14, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Posting again cause the conversation died out. We need consensus one way or the other! Please voice your opinion here on whether infobox parameters "Promotions", "Stables", and "Tag Teams" are/aren't a good idea to include for wrestlers. Holidayruin ( talk) 23:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Shawn Michaels, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
I can't undo or rever this edit because it contains links that are blacklisted. Any idea on how to add back the list? ★Trekker ( talk) 21:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Over the last few days multiple wrestling related articles have been edited with the addition of links to disambiguation pages. Could those with knowledge of wrestling take a look at the articles below and see if these can be resolved to specific articles (or remove the links if articles are unlikely to be created):
All of these appear on Articles With Multiple Dablinks. Any help you can provide to fix these would be great.— Rod talk 07:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for all your work on these. Todays list sees more wrestling articles with multiple dab links added:
I'm not sure why wrestling articles should attract these sorts of edits?— Rod talk 11:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
"Piper Niven" to "Doudrop". McPhail ( talk) 11:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello friends. A discussion occurred between Vjmlhds and I on my talk page regarding whether or not MITB holders should have their picture shown on List of WWE personnel. I had my perspective and he has his perspective, which while it's different from my line of thinking, I understand his POV. However, since it hasn't been further discussed in the past 13 or so years (damn, I was 7 at the time XD), and it seems like it could be a great discussion on this project talk page that has been quiet lately, I wanted to solicit opinions on the following question: Should MITB contract holders have their picture displayed on the aforementioned article? So far, I've said yes, VJ has said no. Thank you for your input. DrewieStewie ( talk) 14:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Andrade (wrestler) → Andrade El Idolo. McPhail ( talk) 21:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gregory Helms#Requested move 10 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 11:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a featured topic removal candidate at Wikipedia:Featured topic removal candidates/John Morrison and the Miz/archive1 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject, comments welcome. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 00:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Power Trip#Requested move 24 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
is that really notable enough to mention? being 4th to do something isnt notable and when is the cut off? will we say "billy bob is the 100th AA champion?"? and kofi is african only and only even got US citizenship *after* winning the title! plus, justin gabriel. if he won the title would he not count because hes, gasp, white? and what if a british black guy wins it? why is "african american" relevant here? just say black. also... jinder mahal? I guess he isnt black enough. Muur ( talk) 20:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Jake Roberts article is lacking a lot of information on his personal life (doesn't even have a section on it), for example it states in the infobox that he has 8 children but it is nowhere mentioned in the article (and has no source). As for his marriages, the infobox mentions Karen and Cheryl, only Cheryl is actually mentioned in the article and has a source. Besides the two of them the obituary of Grizzly Smith also states that Roberts was married in 2010 to a woman named Shannon, whom I can't find any information on at all besides this mention. IMDb also claims a marriage to a woman named Judy, but knowing IMDb this could easily be a hoax. This 2015 Daily Mail article states that Roberts is "twice-divorced" but its not a reliable source. Earlier this year Roberts claimed to be back together with one of his ex-wives but doesn't mention their name. Does anyone know got anything to try to improve this situation? ★Trekker ( talk) 19:24, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Should we start using NXT 2.0 instead of NXT when we add "post-September 14, 2021" content to the articles?
A or B? Wario-Man talk 05:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
I don't watch or keep up to date with NXT. I noticed Vjmlhds listed it as retired, [11] [12] so I've undone attempts to restore it. [13] However, as I say, I don't watch NXT, so I thought I'd double-check. Is this belt retired or what? — Czello (Please tag me in replies) 17:20, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
How is it OR - they removed the title from the list..seems as cut and dry as it can get. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
The conversation will be over if/when a third party breaks the logjam. Otherwise, this is just a stalemate, and quite frankly, it comes across like you are taking this personally. You get very flustered when someone disagrees with you. Vjmlhds (talk) 01:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
If you want, there is a pretty good solution. Take this to another place (not the ANI, please). People outside pro wrestling give us their opinion, with perspective, looking the sources and fact. Both sides included: Grimes won a title and WWE.com updated. Two days later, he gave the title to another wrestler and, apparently, deactivating the title. But, the title stills in the titles list as active, the wrestler is considered the holder and the title, listed as active. But, Grimes didn't apperared with the title for weeks and WWE.com described him as a former champion. For me, it's definitive that WWE.com considers Grimes as champ. They updated the title list when he won the title but forget to remove it for 30 days? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:22, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
This conversation appears to have stalled. Consensus appears to be that the title is retired, but it'd be good if we could formalise it. HHH appears to have taken a Wikibreak, so giving Lee Vilenski a courtesy ping in case he has a further opinion on this. — Czello (Please tag me in replies) 10:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello, as you all may be aware, WWE did earlier this year their list of their 50 Greatest Women Superstars and Tag Teams. There was a discussion about the women superstars list if this list should be added to the Championships and accomplishments of those who were ranked. I'd like to explain why I think both lists of the Women Superstars and Tag Teams should be notable:
Would like to hear your opinion about this matter. SeosiWrestling talk 18:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
They have their PWI 500 and PWI Women's 100 rankings, but both of those are notable. This is just an arbitrary list, really -- unless it can be shown to be notable. — Czello (Please tag me in replies) 16:36, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
@ SeosiWrestling: I'm ex-Wario-Man (just changed my username). Seems it's time to revert your edits especially since the day you added them, some IP-users have started doing similar edits like yours; e.g. [22] [23]. Per LM2000, move/add them to other relevant sections. Mann Mann ( talk) 02:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
I have seen some users replace real names (spouse parameter) with gimmicks or ring names; e.g. see [25] [26] [27]. What should we do? Wario-Man talk 08:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Common name takes precedent which is ring name 9 times out of 10. Exceptions are if theyre notable outside of wrestling by their real names such as rock and Batista. Stage names like Bad Bunny and Offset count too. DrewieStewie ( talk) 12:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently started to become more active in this WikiProject and I was wondering what other members of this WikiProject would think about including matches rated five or more stars by Dave Meltzer under various wrestlers' "Championships and accomplishments" section of their pages. I think that having a match of yours ranked that high is an accomplishment in itself and comparable to including various "match of the year" awards. Apologies if this topic has already been brought up before, just thought I'd see if there was any interest in it. - JJonahJackalope ( talk) 20:51, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I was looking over PB Smooth's article and I noticed a whole list of problems. The championships and accomplishment page was strangely organized, it started with a list of every promotion he's worked for and their location, a lot of tone issues and barely any sources. I fixed a couple issues but I think it still might need to be looked over. Seabass715 ( talk) 21:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Seabass715
An editor has requested for Daniel Bryan to be moved to Bryan Danielson. Since you had some involvement with Daniel Bryan, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Havelock Jones ( talk) 10:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Link:
Talk:Kennadi Brink#Requested move 13 October 2021
Cheers!
Mann Mann (
talk) 16:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I've been working on an article on the WCW David Arquette angle ( David Arquette in World Championship Wrestling) and although I'm largely happy with the sources, especially as a number of mainstream RSes are covered, I'd like to be able to add some contemporary reaction to the storyline from the likes of the WON and the Torch. Does anyone here have a subscription to either of these who would be able to help me with responses from the time? ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 18:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Discussion here. McPhail ( talk) 10:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Currently, Template:Infobox professional wrestler has a field for "Spouse" but not for "Partner". This means we can capture marriages in wrestlers' Infoboxes, but not long-term unmarried relationships (e.g. Chris Candido and Tammy Lynn Sytch, Pat Patterson and Louie Dondero). I would propose either (a) adding "Partner" as an additional field or (b) Changing the "Spouse" field to "Spouse/partner". Any thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 09:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:LINKSTOAVOID and WP:PW/EL, should we remove links to Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and other SNS from the EL section? Those social media links don't offer anything special. What's the point of promoting social media accounts of wrestlers on our project? Plus WWE profile (and profile pages on other promotions) , Cagematch.net, and Wrestlingdata.com have those links; e.g. any reader who is interested in finding the SNS accounts of a specific wrestler, can easily find them via Cagematch.net and the others. Mann Mann ( talk) 07:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion about adding images on Talk:Kenny Omega ( | subject | history | links | watch | logs) for members of this WikiProject to weigh in if they'd like, found here. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 09:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Whenever there's an upcoming PPV, it tends to bother me that we include managers in the infobox. While we might be able to assume that managers might accompany certain wrestlers, such an assertion is a clear violation of WP:CRYSTAL. For the most part this has been harmless, but I'd urge fellow editors to take a look at the edit history of Full Gear (2021). Given that AEW is very faction- and manager-heavy, there has been a lot of back-and-forth adding and removing various managers and faction members who people are guessing will be there.
I'd like to propose a rule: any future PPVs shouldn't have "(with x)" unless it's confirmed that said teammates/managers/stablemates will also be there. It will keep edit warring down and avoids WP:OR and other speculation. — Czello 20:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
For opinions. McPhail ( talk) 09:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
I propose taht it be recognized as a WP:PW/RS. Currently there are too few WP:RS that are not sufficient. The Sportster is as reliable as 411mania, bleacher report,wrestleview, pwtorch, has multiple followers on Facebook and is highly accurate in reporting articles. Thus it should be accepted as a WP:PW/RS. Heres two example of a recent great article: [28] and [29]. I see it as no less accurate and reliable than 411mania, and if we have so few WP:PW/RS we mostly have to rely on WP:Primary sources like wwe.com which posts non WP:Neutral contents. After evaluating The Sportster I find it highly reiable and has many followers on facebook and twitter and meets all criteria as a WP:RS thus it be counted as a WP:PW/RS. Cheers. Dilbaggg ( talk) 08:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Nothing listed in the authors' biographies seems to assert any expertise in professional wrestling, although Norman Quarrinton is tall. It looks like a site that tries to crank out thousands of articles, but I wouldn't use it as a quality source. I would also remind everyone that reliable sources can't be determined by a majority vote. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 00:10, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
The multiple lists and the "site x can't be used because they reported y" aren't supported by policy on reliable sources. An "unproven" source shouldn't be used. Moving The Sportster from one list to another would just mean that we still shouldn't use it. While some of the reasons for declaring sources unreliable touch upon actual reasons of reliability, a single instance of reporting a story would not disqualify a site altogether. The page needs a complete overhaul and investigation on a source-by-source basis. While I made a case for WrestleView as a reliable source, it was not enough to say that it was similar to other sources. My case was based upon the presence of an established, vetted staff; longevity; the presence of a qualified editor; and multiple pieces of evidence of the source/editor's regard within mainstream media and among others in the wrestling industry who we consider reliable sources. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 19:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Tonight I noticed that recent (ie, almost exclusively 2021) PPV results have begun to add "by pinfall" in the results tables. I feel this is highly redundant; the majority of pro wrestling matches end in pinfalls and if you look at literally every old PPV article, the only time a method is listed is if it's a non-pinfall method. We should go back to not including this redundant detail. Courtasy ping to Donnowin1 as they are apparently for adding "by pinfall" to every result. GhostOfDanGurney ( talk) 06:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
@
Donnowin1: Can you please explain why you added the relevant information to the WP/PW Style Guide yourself with no discussion, as you did in
this edit and after I have found that you have made a total of 0 edits in Wikitalk space (which this discussion is in and any discussion to edit the style guide should take place)? You have edited since I first pinged you here so I'll give you 8 more hours to discuss this before I revert. Clearly there is no consensus to add this information, as evidenced by other users messaging you on your talk page about this issue, as well. In fact, your edits go against the
WP:IMPLIEDCONSENSUS established through years of editing on this website.
GhostOfDanGurney (
talk) 21:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
The decision to add this information was made here. I strongly disagree with removing this information. While it may be true that "the majority of pro wrestling matches end in pinfalls", the reader may not be aware of this, and they should not require this information to be able to read and understand the article. Additionally, for older events where the victor but not the means of victory was not recorded, this enables us to present this information accurately. Clarity and unambiguity are essential. McPhail ( talk) 10:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
A point I made in that previous discussion for the inclusion of "by pinfall" is that there is absolutely nothing that tells a reader that "pinfall" is the default means of winning.I mean, we could do this; tell them that. GhostOfDanGurney ( talk) 21:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
...stating at the top of the table that "All results are by pinfall unless otherwise noted". They accomplish exactly the same thing.- Those were honestly my exact thoughts haha. GhostOfDanGurney ( talk) 04:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
I mean, we could do this; tell them that.As per the previous consensus, we are, by stating "by pinfall". Of course, not every single article has been updated since that last consensus, but that's beside the point. There are issues, however, with giving a general statement of "All results are by pinfall unless otherwise noted" as some matches are not won by traditional means for a "by [result]" to be noted. For example, a ladder match. It just says "A defeated B, C, D, E, and F". For an uninformed reader, if they read "All results are by pinfall unless otherwise noted" and saw that there is no "by [result]" noted, they may in fact assume that ladder match was won by pinfall. -- JDC808 ♫ 08:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm taking over a draft of Takaku Fuke (see Draft:Takaku Fuke) left by a now indefinitely blocked user who shall go unnamed (granted you don't peek at the draft's history - and I'm sorry if you fall in the rabbit hole) for making wikipedia talkpages into battlezones and messing with admins. Although I have mixed faith in the notability of Fuke, I'll still try to make this entry as good as I can.
I need help from a expert in Japanese Pro Wrestling (esp. ones who know what goes on at Japanese indies) regarding Fuke's recent activities - especially regarding a alleged "pervert/sexual harassment gimmick" he used in VKF circa mid-to-late 2010s.
From his Japanese Wikipedia entry (
jp:冨宅飛駈): VKFプロレスに参戦後は、女子レスラーとのミックスドマッチにおいては、セクハラキャラを確立している. My amateur translation is "After participating in VKF Wrestling, [Fuke] established a sexual harassment-based character in mixed gender matches when [in-ring with] female wrestlers." I need a source for this; is this true or is this a libellous action from Japanese-language wikipedia editor?
From what I've seen, there are some Indie Matches where Fuke gets weird with female wrestlers in ring - but I'm not confident in the context (and WP:OR doesn't count). The sauce is needed.
TrickShotFinn (
talk) 11:21, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Also, is "FUCK! Certified World AIR Class Championship?" (FUCK!認定世界AIR級王座 / FUCK! Nintei sekai eā kyūōza) a real thing? It's listed as one of Fuke's pro wrestling titles/championships/accomplishments at jpwiki entry. TrickShotFinn ( talk) 11:46, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone have a definitive source for how many episodes of Raw there have been? WrestlingData has it at 1487 (once it updates for yesterday), while The Smackdown Hotel has it at 1507. Does anyone know why this discrepancy exists? — Czello 11:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
FYI, since we've discussed discussed Level 5 selections in the past... Vince Russo is now on the list. He was apparently added last month. [37] We had discussed many names previously and he wasn't one of them and I think there's a reason for that. LM2000 ( talk) 10:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
In templates such as WWE personnel, "Male wrestlers" appears above "Female wrestlers". There's no good reason for this that I can see and Wikipedia policy is that lists should be alphabetical unless there's a clear reason for ordering otherwise. I'd therefore propose that the order be reversed unless anyone has any thoughts otherwise. McPhail ( talk) 12:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Or we can use a format like List of UFC champions: Men and Women. Looks better than male and female in my opinion and matches with alphabetical order. Mann Mann ( talk) 13:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
McPhail ( talk) 19:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello, WikiProject,
This is a brand new article about professional wrestling by a fairly new editor and I'm hoping some here who are experienced content creators can give it a look. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PCW Ultra. I've never heard of this company. starship .paint ( exalt) 13:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion in the talk page of the Talk:January 4 Tokyo Dome Show. The issue, if the article should include the WrestleKingdom events that takes place on Jan 5 (and Jan 8). If you want, you can give your opinion. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I've recently reverted an edit which listed a title change that hadn't yet aired. My reasoning is that if the show hasn't aired, the title change is not yet official (the promotion's website, for example, still shows the previous champion). What is this wikiproject's rule on this sort of thing? When do we alter articles to reflect the current champion, if this is technically something in the "future"? — Czello 13:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm clearly in the minority here! Well, that settles that. — Czello 22:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:KOPW (New Japan Pro-Wrestling)#Requested move 26 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 17:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
The Wrestling Observer/F4WOnline website's Daily Update from yesterday has a job listing for a "Wikipedia guru". [39] Did Dave and Bryan already have a "Wikipedia guru"? I hope there isn't any UPE going on here. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" 16:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
"Jon Hugger" to "Johnny Stamboli". McPhail ( talk) 16:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
This one, I asked McPhail. iI want to open a rename request for Evolution (AJPW). The AJPW disambiguation doesn't work, since no wrestling readers don't known the topic of the article. Also, the disambiguation doesn't explain what it is (a title, a wrestler, an event??). So, I want to change the name, but there is also Evolution (professional wrestling), which is the primary topic. So, do you have any sugestion for the Japanese article? My ideas: Evolution (AJPW stable) or (Japanese stable) or (Japanese professional wrestling stable) -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
(Japanese professional wrestling stable)is probably the most consistent with Wikipedia guidelines -- passing editors won't know what a "stable" means in that context, so the additional descriptor is probably required (though it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue). — Czello 17:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Happy New Year to everyone. With this new year 2022, I have some question that I want to ask. Feel free to give me your toughts.
First, is about the Undisputed Era article. As you known, Fish, Cole and KO joind AEW and began to work together. However, the article UE say they still active. While it's true to some point (Strong stills with WWE), it's weird to say that UE, a WWE stable, still active as a sub-group of The Elite because they're the same members. What do you think? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of CM Punk Matches in AEW Muur ( talk) 22:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I know I forget something. Cagematch is one of the most used sources in the project. However, the project says "Marginally reliable. Strictly used for match results and not other information". There is any reason why isn't reliable for title history? Match results are tied with the title history. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
The WP:PW Sources page says they do fact checking on user-submitted results (although I can't find this on the site itself). My question is who is doing this fact checking, and what makes them qualified to do so? What makes BarKing81, Franjise, RutlandInsurance, etc., experts in the subject matter? I don't see any assertion of specialized knowledge or experience in the "About Us" or "Cagematch Team" pages. Is the site listed as reliable because it meets the criteria of WP:RS or because it's convenient? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Yet another example of someone who the real world viewed as notable decades ago, while the timing of the article's creation suggests that we view him as notable for dying. From skimming Google-accessible sources, there's conflicting birth and death dates, the latter of crucial concern as they span different years. The article text too closely parrots the handful of sources which appeared in the wake of his death. He had at least two stints as a pushed wrestler in the WWWF, which is unacknowledged. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 12:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Bobby Duncum Sr. → Bobby Duncum. McPhail ( talk) 11:35, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Jeremy Ganger. McPhail ( talk) 16:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
What y'all think - should we move Tom Phillips to his real name of Tom Hannifan, or keep it as is.
I think we should move it - can't be eternally wedded to his WWE name, and WP:Common name I don't think is applicable here.
Vjmlhds (talk) 15:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I am proposing that the "Residence" parameter be removed from Template:Infobox professional wrestler. This is as (1) this parameter does not appear in Template:Infobox_person, the master biographical template - I don't see why Infobox professional wrestler should include fields that Infobox_person does not expect where these pertain to wrestling (2) this information is challenging to reliably source given people may often relocate and (3) there are potential privacy/safety implications, particularly for people living in smaller towns (notwithstanding that this information may already be in the public domain somewhere, clearly putting it on Wikipedia may amplify it). Overall, I think there are sound reasons to remove this parameter from Infobox professional wrestler and I don't see any compelling reason to keep it. Views very welcome. McPhail ( talk) 11:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I think there are some articles that need a name change. However, I'm not 100% sure. So, if somebody wants to open a Request, I would be happy (or at least, an opinion is fine). Babatunde Aiyegbusi, Eric Bugenhagen, Rinku Singh and John Layfield. The first two work as Commander Azeez and Rick Boogs, which are likely the COMMONNAME, but Babatunde has a previous career as football player and Boogs had other names in WWE. The third one works as Veer Mahaan, but he has a previous basketball career and he barely appears on RAW (also, there is a movie about him). The last one is called John Bradshaw Layfield by several sources, so maybe a name change is necessary. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I think we should consider winning the Ultimate X match as an accomplishment and putting it into the Championships and accomplishments section of the wrestler who won the match. The match is quite similar to the Money in the Bank match, so when a WWE superstar wins that match like Rob Van Dam, for example, it is listed under the section of Championships and accomplishments. The one thing I don't think it should be considered as an accomplishment, when it was won by a singles match. SeosiWrestling ( talk) 15:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
For example, Charlotte Flair and Beth Phoenix use "Infobox person" and Lana uses "Infobox model". Is this an issue? Should we replaces those infoboxes with "Infobox professional wrestler"? Mann Mann ( talk) 06:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I am not a fan of infoboxes in general but since we are in the topic, shouldn't the "billed" parameter be removed. It is kayfabe in pro wrestling unlike in MMA or boxing and it's irrelevant compared to other kayfabe stuff like ring names. If necessary, it should be included somewhere else in the article as trivia, perhaps under persona and style. IW. (talk) 14:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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Just wanna hear some opinions on this:
How should we list wrestlers who are not part of any brand on Royal Rumble article pages? Obviously this would only apply to those Rumbles which took place during a brand extension period, where brands and such are specifically listed.
My thoughts - WWE Hall of Famers should be listed as such, as that's how they're listed on WWE.com.
Likewise, "guest entries" are by and large listed on WWE.com as alumni.
So here's the thing - should we separate HOFers and alumni as WWE does on their superstar page, or should everybody without a specific brand just be dumped in 1 bucket?
Since WWE itself separates HOFers from alumni on their roster page, we should kinda follow suit - that's where I sit...what say you?
Vjmlhds (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
In the Vince Russo article, it says after the Bash at the Beach 2000 match, Hulk Hogan cut a worked shoot because of the way things were booked. Was it actually a worked shoot? I haven't been able to find a source that says it was worked. Around that time a lot of talent were leaving because of the state of the company. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 21:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is there a Japanese wrestling bio stub template? It's highly redundant and unnecessary when there is the wrestling bio stub template. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 18:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this template generating unusual whitespace at the beginning of an article? I don't see any particular reason it should be looking at the code and based on my knowledge of infobox templates, so I'm wondering if someone with more infobox-fu can take a look and see what might be causing it. oknazevad ( talk) 23:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello. As you know, WWE says that NXT is no longer the farm territory. Instead, it's the third brand. However, despite WWE efforts, many people still calling it farm territory. Recently, Adam Cole defended NXT status as main roster, but yesterday, PWInsider said Priest made his main roster debut. It's not the first time reliable sources uses the word main roster, call-up or similar. Since WP:NPOV says " representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic" and WWE is known for changing story for his benefit, do you think that, at least, we should mention this in the NXT article? Something like "despite being promoted as the third brand, several fans and journalist refereed NXT as a no-main roster brand/farm territory" -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
At the end of the day, the league/promotion is the one who says what is and isn't true about their own property.
Independent sources are useful to see if a wrestler (or to broaden it out any player of a sport) has signed with a promotion/league/team/brand or if a major announcement is made, but NOT to decide how certain things in a promotion or sports league are to be categorized, as it isn't their call to make (and by extension not our call to make).
If Wikipedia consensus says the sky is green and the grass is blue, it doesn't mean it is.
Vjmlhds (talk) 13:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
No, proper translation: quit whining because you're too lazy to put in the effort that everyone else has. You're not special. oknazevad ( talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
(
edit conflict) Come on, people -- this is getting a bit out of hand. Let's all remember to be
WP:CIVIL; we're all friends here, and just trying to better Wikipedia. For what it's worth I'm in full agreement with
HHH Pedrigree here as he's backed up his view points with the appropriate policy. That said I don't agree with the exact wording he's chosen (despite being promoted as the third brand, several fans and journalist refereed NXT as a no-main roster brand/farm territory
). However I wonder if we could have our cake and eat it too by referring to it as both developmental and a third brand -- though in such a way that it doesn't imply that it's "main roster". —
Czello 15:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
It's on USA Network in prime time...how is that not main roster?I'm sorry, but this is just straight up WP:OR, dude -- it's your interpretation of things. Can't say you'll get any agreement with your view that there should only be two policies, either, but I think that's something you'll have to take up at WP:VPP. — Czello 15:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Sigh, HHH Pedrigree often tries to site policies, which of course is not wrong; however, he is trying to apply it to something that it really cannot be applied to. Independent sources cannot say what is and is not WWE's developmental system. They do not make that decision. They cannot make that decision. They can only provide a viewpoint. That's it and that has appropriately been included into the NXT article. This is not a case of "parroting WWE's self-promotional line" as oknazevad puts it. Saying WWE are the "greatest promotion ever" would be doing that. Classifying what is and is not the stage in which they train and prep their wrestlers for in-ring and promotional work, particularly for television, is not. Vjmlhds is taking a very incorrect approach in regard to refuting policies, but this classification of whether or not NXT is the third brand or that the NXT Championship is a world championship, I do agree with him. HHH Pedrigree attempted to cite Wikipedia:PRIMARYCARE, but it actually supports my own argument, as well as Vjmlhds' (although he hasn't exactly done the best to defend his argument). -- JDC808 ♫ 16:42, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
How is this not a personal attack? Vjmlhds (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Okay everyone, instead of us all cutting promos on each other does anyone have anything else they want to actually contribute to the discussion at hand? Because if not I'm just gonna hat this conversation to prevent it spiraling out of control. WP:CHILL, everyone — Czello 18:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree completely with JDC808. We don't decide what is a developmental territory. We don't decide what is a world championship. Secondary sources don't get to make that call. If the promotion says that something is a developmental territory, then it is. If a promotion calls something a world championship, then it is. If a promotion says something is a third brand, then it is. I agree that people can come across as obnoxious when linking to a policy or guideline. I agree that many people link to policies or guidelines that don't actually apply. I agree that we need policies and guidelines. I agree that HHH Pedrigree is completely out of line with the way he is addressing Vjmlhds. I do not believe an apology is forthcoming. I think everyone should shut up and move on with life. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
There's an RfC at Talk:NXT (WWE brand)#Requests for Comment: "third brand"/"main roster" regarding the "main roster"/"third brand" dispute. Vjmlhds started another discussion about the NXT Championship at Talk:NXT Championship#World title Part II. The articles should remain as they were until these RfCs are closed by an uninvolved editor. If this ends up at WP:ANI it's going to be a bloodbath, so take it easy. LM2000 ( talk) 02:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
To respond to JDC808, you can't use a promotion as development system when it's defunct ala Evolve. July 2, 2020; WWE bought the promotion. Plus, Evolve wasn't a development promotion. Evolve was used to scout talent nothing more. If it was used as a developmental promotion, people would be signed to some sort developmental contract to start. Or so one would think. But it wasn't a developmental promotion unlike Deep South Wrestling, Florida Championship Wrestling, and Ohio Valley Wrestling.
You said Finn Balor is the only one who went back to NXT. That means Breezango are not there now and were not NXT Tag Team Champions. That also means Charlotte Flair didn't go back for that brief period last year and Ember Moon is not there now for the second time. They may not get drafted to Raw or SmackDown, but that doesn't mean the talent on Raw or SmackDown aren't able to go there. With how things are seemingly shaping up, Edge might go there to challenge for the NXT Championship. Than again, he is a "free agent" and is not bound to Raw or SmackDown. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 10:20, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I found a few sites that are saying Carlito is on a thee week trial run. Side note, MVP advocated for his return. 411Mania and What Culture both cite Wrestling Inc. as a source. While 411Mania is listed as semi-reliable, What Culture and Wrestling Inc. are listed as unreliable. Cultaholic is reporting on it. It's posted on Reddit. Nothing from the listed reliable sites showed in the search results. Why are unreliable sources reporting on it, but reliable sources seemingly not? If someone can find a reliable to add this information to the article, that would be great. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 18:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm not super savvy on notability guidelines for pro wrestlers, so I wasn't sure if this person would pass notability guidelines. There's a lot of coverage, but it appears to focus on his decision to partake in the WWE India tryouts.
Anyone want to take a look? The draft is Draft:Badshah Khan (wrestler). ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 08:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Brian Pillman has made a comment on his Twitter that " None of my photos on my IG are copyrighted". This is in a conversation about how he wishes for his Wikipedia infobox image to be updated with a better image. Can we take this comment as indication that his selfies and other photos he has taken himself are posted on his Instagram are Public Domain? ★Trekker ( talk) 19:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Wrestlers have been known to take out insurance policies with Lloyd's of London. Curt Hennig and Animal were two of many. They got paid out big lump sums. Apparently, they milked their injuries. Bret had a policy with them. He wasn't paid out and thus sued them in 2003. In 2004, Lloyd's of London paid $800,000 to Bret. When WWE was promoting the match between Bret and Vince WrestleMania 26, Lloyd's wasn't happy. The creative had to figure something else out. That's why they started teasing a tag team match with Bret and John Cena vs. Vince and Batista. Eventually, WWE and Lloyd's came to an agreement and the Bret vs. Vince happened. Just wonder if this sort of thing should be added to articles. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 09:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
This is a discussion 10 years ago, but times have changed, editors have changed, so let's see where we are in 2021 as compared to 2011.
Doing wrestling company templates in the colors of the company - yes, no, maybe?
What say the " peanut gallery"?
Vjmlhds (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
I took a suggestion of Czello's and modified it, by using "softer" versions of the black and white color scheme so it doesn't smack you over the head with a sledgehammer. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Not a fan personally. My main concern is that accessibility is being compromised in the name of aesthetics. McPhail ( talk) 09:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
In Roman Reigns article User:ItsKesha is at it again, removing WP:RS contents based on personal views saying things like "there is no such thing as a non-biological cousin", despite the source provided in the article [2] clearly saying they are cousins, quoting directly "The 28-year-old is a member of the legendary Anoa’i family, a dynasty with wrestling running through its veins. Anoa’i’s father, Sika, is one-half of the WWE Hall of Fame tag team The Wild Samoans, and a sampling of his cousins includes Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, the Uso brothers, Rikishi, Umaga, and Yokozuna." and this has been widely accepted for years. Saying the are unrelated without providing any soure that claims Rock and Reigns are unrelated or seeing WP:RfC based on individual personal views is clear WP:NOR and WP:BLP violation. Anyway I am very busy these days and won't check back, this may even be my final edit for a long time, but I am just notifying WP:PW members of the matter, you guys can seek a consensus and decide, but I feel we should go with what WP:RS says which is they are cousins. Take care all. Dilbaggg ( talk) 14:13, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
"Non-biological cousin" is an unusual phrasing. How about "consider themselves cousins" or similar? McPhail ( talk) 20:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
I posted this on the sources talk page, but not sure how many will see this, so I'll mention it here as well. If you're on an article and see an unreliable or unproven source, change it or remove it. Don't look at it and think someone else will deal with it. I added Nick Patrick to List of former WWE personnel (N–R) and found such sources for other entries. I either changed or removed them. We should be more of a stickler with sources in terms of not letting them slip through the cracks. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 12:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
SoCal Uncensored. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 25#SoCal Uncensored until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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talk) 18:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
There is a move request to rename SoCal Uncensored (professional wrestling) to SoCal Uncensored. Please discuss at Talk:SoCal_Uncensored_(professional_wrestling)#Requested_move_31_March_2021 AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 17:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed that during Mitsuharu Misawa's GA review, the reviewer requested that the C&A section be split into a new article and Mitsuharu Misawa's championships and accomplishments was then created. Although this is the first time I've seen them done for wrestling, it's not uncommon to split awards from actor or musician articles. It's worth considering adding something to the styles guide so that we have some guidance on when these splits should happen ( WP:FILMCRITICLIST just says such an article should be created when it "overwhelms the rest of the film article"). LM2000 ( talk) 20:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
I’m currently in an issue with a IP address user who constantly reverts my changes on the Grand Slam (professional wrestling) page. It’s in regards to the ‘2-time Grand Slam Champion’ text key where I’ve put The Miz and AJ Styles’ names in italics to indicate that they’ve won the Grand Slam more than once. This user has be constantly reverting these and adding ‘2 times’ next to their names (whole also removing the citations next to each wrestler’s name). I don’t know how else to deal with this, but if anyone knows what to do, please reply ASAP. Thanks Drummoe ( talk) 02:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
On the main article list of former WWE personnel it says:
"When talent is released of their contract, it could be for a budget cut, the individual asking for their release, for personal reasons, time off for an injury, or retirement."
Time off for an injury is not the same as being released. Generally, a company such as WWE doesn't release someone when they injured. That's a terrible business practice if they did. Plus, it could lead to a lot of other legal issues. That's not the point. WWE adds injury time to contracts. Unless there is proof with a source they do that, "time off for an injury" is not why someone would get released. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 07:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
In recent contributions to the History of WWE article , ip [User talk:24.38.208.110] made many edits starting from [3] in which he claims Attitude Era began in 1996, despite wider acceptance being 1997, requesting evaluation of the edits this ip made to the article on its revision history on April 11. Personally, I am following WWF since 1999, and while the attitude era is what git me into wrestling I didnt care for when its started, but as a member of wikipedia I hope the article maintains proper authenticity. Are the edits if this ip agreeable or not, an WP:RfC would be best. Dilbaggg ( talk) 14:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Fun fact: the montage that opens the broadcast that was used throughout the Attitude Era was first used for Survivor Series 97. So there's that data point. I remember Joey Styles once dated it to the debut of the Titantron in early 97 as that allowed the live crowd to see what was happening backstage more easily, leading to a greater use of such segments, which are sometimes noted as the defining convention of the AE, which is also an interesting take. But, overall, secondary sources are needed. oknazevad ( talk) 18:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Is there something in the MoS about how we should label them? Both David Arquette and Dennis Rodman list them as professional wrestlers in the lead, but there is a user that is irked about Bad Bunny being listed as such. Since he is shouting and posting long edit summaries, I would prefer to discuss this. El Alternativo ( talk) 04:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Yesterday, I visited Dorton Arena to take photographs of the building. Today, I looked at the article to see if any of the photos could be used. After reading the article, a long-simmering complaint came bubbling up to the surface. In general, many arena articles are blatant POV exercises skewed by ice hockey fanboys. Specific to the complaint, arena tenancies are portrayed solely as involving named sports teams. Also, these articles skew the coverage of wrestling shows towards PPV and similar events from the past 25-30 years.
Having gone over the background, here's the crux of the complaint. The article states "Dorton Arena has hosted numerous sporting events and teams throughout the decades. The longest-running tenant was the Raleigh IceCaps (ECHL) ice hockey team from 1991–1998." If a wrestling promoter held regularly-scheduled shows in an arena for X number of years, that's a tenancy. Really, that applies to any sort of promoter or event, but that's beside the point. I'm pretty sure the Murnick family (local promoters for JCP) held regularly-scheduled wrestling shows at Dorton for far longer than seven years. This isn't a WP:SOFIXIT deal involving one edit to one article, as this problem is pretty widespread across many articles. I'm not sure many others look at it this way, otherwise this POV wouldn't be so pervasive, so I'd be interested in hearing what others think about this. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
There's a discussion on Talk:Kenny Omega ( | subject | history | links | watch | logs) about whether the term "triple world champion" should be included in the article. Your views and comments would be much appreciated. Thank you all! KyleJoan talk 08:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm seeing that some professional wrestling BLPs contain the {{ Infobox YouTube personality}} template in the other media section, which I find odd since the template is intended to replace the {{ Infobox person}} template for YouTube personalities. That aside, I'm not sure I would regard any wrestler as notable as a YouTube personality. Yes, some wrestlers post vlogs, and it becomes a gray area when reliable sources discuss the vlogs' content (e.g., Sammy Guevara's apology to Sasha Banks), but more often than not, the vlogs and channels themselves aren't notable either. The only exceptions I can think of are UpUpDownDown and Being the Elite, but it's also arguable whether those channels make their creators notable as YouTube personalities. Thoughts? KyleJoan talk 08:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
If I proposed "New Japan Pro-Wrestling World" → "NJPW World" again, would I have support from anyone here? I tried recently but gave the wrong reason. Also, no one contributed to the discussion. Wanchan2020 ( talk) 23:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Agree. It's tje common name and official name-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
An article which may be of interest to members of this project—
List of IWGP Intercontinental Champions—has been proposed for
merging with
IWGP Intercontinental Championship. If you are interested, please participate in
the merger discussion. Thank you.
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Category:Professional wrestling articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 05:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:BLPN#Template:Infobox professional wrestler on whether or not billed heights constitute a BLP violation, since Batista's publicist tried changing his exaggerated billed height to his actual height and discussion ensued. Please comment there if you have input. Thanks. DrewieStewie ( talk) 11:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I noticed a good number of articles link directly to official or semi official pictures. Is there a project policy preferring these pictures over pictures taken by contributors? I have an image I took of a title that is good quality, but I dont know if it would be preferred in the article. The belts are copyrighted no matter who took the picture so I don't know if there is a benefit in replacing the image or not. Sephiroth storm ( talk) 17:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
I would think that, in making a fair use claim, there's a difference between images in which the copyrighted belt is the focal point vs. incidentally worn or held by the subject. A picture of the belt itself would be considered replaceable if there is an alternative to a high-resolution/close-up picture of the details. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 13:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Example 1
Example 2
Which format/style is more suitable? A (with NXT) or B (without NXT)? Wario-Man talk 14:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there a consensus about how the promotion's top belt was referred to at various points? Much of my editing has focused on 1992-1996 (particularly pay per views). I regularly see people change the name of the belt title from WWF World Heavyweight Championship to WWF Championship, then back again and repeat. I don't really care one way or the other, but I get tired of the changes. Any thoughts? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 06:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
The user Special:Contributions/AnnaLyna has started adding WWE 50 Greatest Women Superstars to Championships and accomplishments of female wrestlers; e.g. [4] [5] [6]. Is that WWE 50 Greatest Women Superstars [7] notable? Wario-Man talk 04:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
may be of interest to this project. Hog Farm Talk 22:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
If anybody interested could add Joey Ryan (wrestler) to their watchlists, it would be a great help. The article was always going to be a BLP nightmare but lately some SPAs have been adding poorly referenced material regarding the allegations against him. LM2000 ( talk) 07:10, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I’ve started compiling a table of Raw episodes over on my personal sandbox, I wanted to get peoples opinions on this, obviously this has never been done on Wikipedia besides the lists of special episodes of RAW, Smackdown, Dynamite etc.
I’ve completed 1993-94 so far, before continuing on, I really just wanted to gather some opinions, would this be a useful article, or am I wasting my time, would it be better off split into different time periods to avoid a huge list?
Sandbox link: User:Copper1993/sandbox
Copper1993 ( talk) 14:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi ItsKesha, thanks for the ideas! I feel like that’s what I had in the back of my mind but I just couldn’t work out the best way to approach it, I really like the idea of being able to provide an overview of each year, I’m hoping this can become a group effort, maybe different people can work on specific years once we’ve got a format in place. Copper1993 ( talk) 15:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Czello That was my biggest concern, especially since it would be quite a time consuming project.. I’ll leave it for the time being until we can come up with some other suggestions, if we could perhaps expand on each episode by including the card, and any addition information rather than just have a basic list, it might prove to be more useful, although again...very time consuming when all said and done. Copper1993 ( talk) 19:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
I’ve gone ahead and modified my table a bit, for the debut episode I’ve added in the full card underneath the episode information, obviously the ‘Final match’ column would be deleted, but this gives a basic idea of how it would look, any thoughts? User:Copper1993/sandbox Copper1993 ( talk) 11:49, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I’ve also added in details on various segments in paragraphs above the card list, I feel that if we’re able to provide information like this it stops it from becoming simple a list of dates, I’m not sure if there’s a better place I can put this other that my sandbox, ideally I’d like to put it in a place where others can work on it too, is there any way to do so? A project subpage perhaps, starting with the debut episode and then we can work down from there? Copper1993 ( talk) 16:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Exactly why I’ve opted to remove that column entirely and add in a paragraph underneath listing the entire card, once I started seeing that most of the early shows ended with jobber matches, I figured it was a dumb idea. If you check my sandbox now I’ve added in a much more detailed description to the debut RAW Copper1993 ( talk) 00:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I’ve gone ahead and started a subpage within the project page wikipedia:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling/RawDatabase anyone feel free to make changes/contribute Copper1993 ( talk) 13:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
We’ve started compiling the detailed list if anyone would like to help: Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/RawDatabase Copper1993 ( talk) 02:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
This was a real WWF charity project for a while. Was promoted on global TV and the Internet still remembers. But Wikipedia barely mentions it, except for one lesser-known bio (on whom I shall not mention here). Something to think about for a creative type. It wouldn't run afoul of any advocacy prohibitions I'm aware of, since that particular generation of starving kids grew up or moved on long ago, but still seemingly "good to know" from a historical wrasslin' perspective. My efficient and resourceful days are behind me, so it's up to you, members of this general audience, to carry my relaxed idealism forward! Or not, of course. InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I've created a request for comment to get views on this topic from the wider community. McPhail ( talk) 13:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Requesting to let https://www.pwmania.com/ to be used as a WP:PW/RS again. It no longer uses the author Marc Middleton, for which it was classified as unreliable. Besides just one mistaken report doesn't make you entirely wrong. In 2014 Dave Meltzer mistakenly reported that CM Punk will return to WWE, [9], [10], but I see people are biased regarding him and always cites anything he says as reliable. But other authors, for just one incorrect report, gets labeled unreliable. Either ways, PWMania is one of the oldest and most reliable wrestling news sources, Marc Middleton no longer workks for them since =2016, and since 2016 you will not find a single article by them which is inaccurate, also just visit, you will be impressed by their professionalism, site layout, accuracy, everything. So I deeply request PWmania to be reclassified as a reliable WP:PW/RS. Dilbaggg ( talk) 06:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
I created this top icon for WikiProject Professional wrestling:
Your thoughts? The template documentation may need some improvements; e.g. more details or clarification. Wario-Man talk 12:19, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Would someone please add it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list? Wario-Man talk 15:44, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I posted this on the talk page for the template, I am also posting here for visibility. I am proposing major revisions to the current Infobox professional wrestler format: a "Promotion" parameter, a "Notable Tag Team(s)" parameter, and a "Stable(s)" parameter. Holidayruin ( talk) 04:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Posting again. Need people to build a consensus! Come and state your thoughts on adding a new parameter. If the change goes through it might be a lot of work for this WikiProject! Holidayruin ( talk) 04:14, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Posting again cause the conversation died out. We need consensus one way or the other! Please voice your opinion here on whether infobox parameters "Promotions", "Stables", and "Tag Teams" are/aren't a good idea to include for wrestlers. Holidayruin ( talk) 23:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Shawn Michaels, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
I can't undo or rever this edit because it contains links that are blacklisted. Any idea on how to add back the list? ★Trekker ( talk) 21:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Over the last few days multiple wrestling related articles have been edited with the addition of links to disambiguation pages. Could those with knowledge of wrestling take a look at the articles below and see if these can be resolved to specific articles (or remove the links if articles are unlikely to be created):
All of these appear on Articles With Multiple Dablinks. Any help you can provide to fix these would be great.— Rod talk 07:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for all your work on these. Todays list sees more wrestling articles with multiple dab links added:
I'm not sure why wrestling articles should attract these sorts of edits?— Rod talk 11:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
"Piper Niven" to "Doudrop". McPhail ( talk) 11:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello friends. A discussion occurred between Vjmlhds and I on my talk page regarding whether or not MITB holders should have their picture shown on List of WWE personnel. I had my perspective and he has his perspective, which while it's different from my line of thinking, I understand his POV. However, since it hasn't been further discussed in the past 13 or so years (damn, I was 7 at the time XD), and it seems like it could be a great discussion on this project talk page that has been quiet lately, I wanted to solicit opinions on the following question: Should MITB contract holders have their picture displayed on the aforementioned article? So far, I've said yes, VJ has said no. Thank you for your input. DrewieStewie ( talk) 14:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Andrade (wrestler) → Andrade El Idolo. McPhail ( talk) 21:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gregory Helms#Requested move 10 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 11:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a featured topic removal candidate at Wikipedia:Featured topic removal candidates/John Morrison and the Miz/archive1 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject, comments welcome. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 00:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Power Trip#Requested move 24 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
is that really notable enough to mention? being 4th to do something isnt notable and when is the cut off? will we say "billy bob is the 100th AA champion?"? and kofi is african only and only even got US citizenship *after* winning the title! plus, justin gabriel. if he won the title would he not count because hes, gasp, white? and what if a british black guy wins it? why is "african american" relevant here? just say black. also... jinder mahal? I guess he isnt black enough. Muur ( talk) 20:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Jake Roberts article is lacking a lot of information on his personal life (doesn't even have a section on it), for example it states in the infobox that he has 8 children but it is nowhere mentioned in the article (and has no source). As for his marriages, the infobox mentions Karen and Cheryl, only Cheryl is actually mentioned in the article and has a source. Besides the two of them the obituary of Grizzly Smith also states that Roberts was married in 2010 to a woman named Shannon, whom I can't find any information on at all besides this mention. IMDb also claims a marriage to a woman named Judy, but knowing IMDb this could easily be a hoax. This 2015 Daily Mail article states that Roberts is "twice-divorced" but its not a reliable source. Earlier this year Roberts claimed to be back together with one of his ex-wives but doesn't mention their name. Does anyone know got anything to try to improve this situation? ★Trekker ( talk) 19:24, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Should we start using NXT 2.0 instead of NXT when we add "post-September 14, 2021" content to the articles?
A or B? Wario-Man talk 05:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
I don't watch or keep up to date with NXT. I noticed Vjmlhds listed it as retired, [11] [12] so I've undone attempts to restore it. [13] However, as I say, I don't watch NXT, so I thought I'd double-check. Is this belt retired or what? — Czello (Please tag me in replies) 17:20, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
How is it OR - they removed the title from the list..seems as cut and dry as it can get. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
The conversation will be over if/when a third party breaks the logjam. Otherwise, this is just a stalemate, and quite frankly, it comes across like you are taking this personally. You get very flustered when someone disagrees with you. Vjmlhds (talk) 01:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
If you want, there is a pretty good solution. Take this to another place (not the ANI, please). People outside pro wrestling give us their opinion, with perspective, looking the sources and fact. Both sides included: Grimes won a title and WWE.com updated. Two days later, he gave the title to another wrestler and, apparently, deactivating the title. But, the title stills in the titles list as active, the wrestler is considered the holder and the title, listed as active. But, Grimes didn't apperared with the title for weeks and WWE.com described him as a former champion. For me, it's definitive that WWE.com considers Grimes as champ. They updated the title list when he won the title but forget to remove it for 30 days? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:22, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
This conversation appears to have stalled. Consensus appears to be that the title is retired, but it'd be good if we could formalise it. HHH appears to have taken a Wikibreak, so giving Lee Vilenski a courtesy ping in case he has a further opinion on this. — Czello (Please tag me in replies) 10:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello, as you all may be aware, WWE did earlier this year their list of their 50 Greatest Women Superstars and Tag Teams. There was a discussion about the women superstars list if this list should be added to the Championships and accomplishments of those who were ranked. I'd like to explain why I think both lists of the Women Superstars and Tag Teams should be notable:
Would like to hear your opinion about this matter. SeosiWrestling talk 18:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
They have their PWI 500 and PWI Women's 100 rankings, but both of those are notable. This is just an arbitrary list, really -- unless it can be shown to be notable. — Czello (Please tag me in replies) 16:36, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
@ SeosiWrestling: I'm ex-Wario-Man (just changed my username). Seems it's time to revert your edits especially since the day you added them, some IP-users have started doing similar edits like yours; e.g. [22] [23]. Per LM2000, move/add them to other relevant sections. Mann Mann ( talk) 02:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
I have seen some users replace real names (spouse parameter) with gimmicks or ring names; e.g. see [25] [26] [27]. What should we do? Wario-Man talk 08:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Common name takes precedent which is ring name 9 times out of 10. Exceptions are if theyre notable outside of wrestling by their real names such as rock and Batista. Stage names like Bad Bunny and Offset count too. DrewieStewie ( talk) 12:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently started to become more active in this WikiProject and I was wondering what other members of this WikiProject would think about including matches rated five or more stars by Dave Meltzer under various wrestlers' "Championships and accomplishments" section of their pages. I think that having a match of yours ranked that high is an accomplishment in itself and comparable to including various "match of the year" awards. Apologies if this topic has already been brought up before, just thought I'd see if there was any interest in it. - JJonahJackalope ( talk) 20:51, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I was looking over PB Smooth's article and I noticed a whole list of problems. The championships and accomplishment page was strangely organized, it started with a list of every promotion he's worked for and their location, a lot of tone issues and barely any sources. I fixed a couple issues but I think it still might need to be looked over. Seabass715 ( talk) 21:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Seabass715
An editor has requested for Daniel Bryan to be moved to Bryan Danielson. Since you had some involvement with Daniel Bryan, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Havelock Jones ( talk) 10:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Link:
Talk:Kennadi Brink#Requested move 13 October 2021
Cheers!
Mann Mann (
talk) 16:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I've been working on an article on the WCW David Arquette angle ( David Arquette in World Championship Wrestling) and although I'm largely happy with the sources, especially as a number of mainstream RSes are covered, I'd like to be able to add some contemporary reaction to the storyline from the likes of the WON and the Torch. Does anyone here have a subscription to either of these who would be able to help me with responses from the time? ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 18:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Discussion here. McPhail ( talk) 10:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Currently, Template:Infobox professional wrestler has a field for "Spouse" but not for "Partner". This means we can capture marriages in wrestlers' Infoboxes, but not long-term unmarried relationships (e.g. Chris Candido and Tammy Lynn Sytch, Pat Patterson and Louie Dondero). I would propose either (a) adding "Partner" as an additional field or (b) Changing the "Spouse" field to "Spouse/partner". Any thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 09:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:LINKSTOAVOID and WP:PW/EL, should we remove links to Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and other SNS from the EL section? Those social media links don't offer anything special. What's the point of promoting social media accounts of wrestlers on our project? Plus WWE profile (and profile pages on other promotions) , Cagematch.net, and Wrestlingdata.com have those links; e.g. any reader who is interested in finding the SNS accounts of a specific wrestler, can easily find them via Cagematch.net and the others. Mann Mann ( talk) 07:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion about adding images on Talk:Kenny Omega ( | subject | history | links | watch | logs) for members of this WikiProject to weigh in if they'd like, found here. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 09:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Whenever there's an upcoming PPV, it tends to bother me that we include managers in the infobox. While we might be able to assume that managers might accompany certain wrestlers, such an assertion is a clear violation of WP:CRYSTAL. For the most part this has been harmless, but I'd urge fellow editors to take a look at the edit history of Full Gear (2021). Given that AEW is very faction- and manager-heavy, there has been a lot of back-and-forth adding and removing various managers and faction members who people are guessing will be there.
I'd like to propose a rule: any future PPVs shouldn't have "(with x)" unless it's confirmed that said teammates/managers/stablemates will also be there. It will keep edit warring down and avoids WP:OR and other speculation. — Czello 20:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
For opinions. McPhail ( talk) 09:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
I propose taht it be recognized as a WP:PW/RS. Currently there are too few WP:RS that are not sufficient. The Sportster is as reliable as 411mania, bleacher report,wrestleview, pwtorch, has multiple followers on Facebook and is highly accurate in reporting articles. Thus it should be accepted as a WP:PW/RS. Heres two example of a recent great article: [28] and [29]. I see it as no less accurate and reliable than 411mania, and if we have so few WP:PW/RS we mostly have to rely on WP:Primary sources like wwe.com which posts non WP:Neutral contents. After evaluating The Sportster I find it highly reiable and has many followers on facebook and twitter and meets all criteria as a WP:RS thus it be counted as a WP:PW/RS. Cheers. Dilbaggg ( talk) 08:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Nothing listed in the authors' biographies seems to assert any expertise in professional wrestling, although Norman Quarrinton is tall. It looks like a site that tries to crank out thousands of articles, but I wouldn't use it as a quality source. I would also remind everyone that reliable sources can't be determined by a majority vote. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 00:10, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
The multiple lists and the "site x can't be used because they reported y" aren't supported by policy on reliable sources. An "unproven" source shouldn't be used. Moving The Sportster from one list to another would just mean that we still shouldn't use it. While some of the reasons for declaring sources unreliable touch upon actual reasons of reliability, a single instance of reporting a story would not disqualify a site altogether. The page needs a complete overhaul and investigation on a source-by-source basis. While I made a case for WrestleView as a reliable source, it was not enough to say that it was similar to other sources. My case was based upon the presence of an established, vetted staff; longevity; the presence of a qualified editor; and multiple pieces of evidence of the source/editor's regard within mainstream media and among others in the wrestling industry who we consider reliable sources. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 19:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Tonight I noticed that recent (ie, almost exclusively 2021) PPV results have begun to add "by pinfall" in the results tables. I feel this is highly redundant; the majority of pro wrestling matches end in pinfalls and if you look at literally every old PPV article, the only time a method is listed is if it's a non-pinfall method. We should go back to not including this redundant detail. Courtasy ping to Donnowin1 as they are apparently for adding "by pinfall" to every result. GhostOfDanGurney ( talk) 06:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
@
Donnowin1: Can you please explain why you added the relevant information to the WP/PW Style Guide yourself with no discussion, as you did in
this edit and after I have found that you have made a total of 0 edits in Wikitalk space (which this discussion is in and any discussion to edit the style guide should take place)? You have edited since I first pinged you here so I'll give you 8 more hours to discuss this before I revert. Clearly there is no consensus to add this information, as evidenced by other users messaging you on your talk page about this issue, as well. In fact, your edits go against the
WP:IMPLIEDCONSENSUS established through years of editing on this website.
GhostOfDanGurney (
talk) 21:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
The decision to add this information was made here. I strongly disagree with removing this information. While it may be true that "the majority of pro wrestling matches end in pinfalls", the reader may not be aware of this, and they should not require this information to be able to read and understand the article. Additionally, for older events where the victor but not the means of victory was not recorded, this enables us to present this information accurately. Clarity and unambiguity are essential. McPhail ( talk) 10:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
A point I made in that previous discussion for the inclusion of "by pinfall" is that there is absolutely nothing that tells a reader that "pinfall" is the default means of winning.I mean, we could do this; tell them that. GhostOfDanGurney ( talk) 21:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
...stating at the top of the table that "All results are by pinfall unless otherwise noted". They accomplish exactly the same thing.- Those were honestly my exact thoughts haha. GhostOfDanGurney ( talk) 04:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
I mean, we could do this; tell them that.As per the previous consensus, we are, by stating "by pinfall". Of course, not every single article has been updated since that last consensus, but that's beside the point. There are issues, however, with giving a general statement of "All results are by pinfall unless otherwise noted" as some matches are not won by traditional means for a "by [result]" to be noted. For example, a ladder match. It just says "A defeated B, C, D, E, and F". For an uninformed reader, if they read "All results are by pinfall unless otherwise noted" and saw that there is no "by [result]" noted, they may in fact assume that ladder match was won by pinfall. -- JDC808 ♫ 08:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm taking over a draft of Takaku Fuke (see Draft:Takaku Fuke) left by a now indefinitely blocked user who shall go unnamed (granted you don't peek at the draft's history - and I'm sorry if you fall in the rabbit hole) for making wikipedia talkpages into battlezones and messing with admins. Although I have mixed faith in the notability of Fuke, I'll still try to make this entry as good as I can.
I need help from a expert in Japanese Pro Wrestling (esp. ones who know what goes on at Japanese indies) regarding Fuke's recent activities - especially regarding a alleged "pervert/sexual harassment gimmick" he used in VKF circa mid-to-late 2010s.
From his Japanese Wikipedia entry (
jp:冨宅飛駈): VKFプロレスに参戦後は、女子レスラーとのミックスドマッチにおいては、セクハラキャラを確立している. My amateur translation is "After participating in VKF Wrestling, [Fuke] established a sexual harassment-based character in mixed gender matches when [in-ring with] female wrestlers." I need a source for this; is this true or is this a libellous action from Japanese-language wikipedia editor?
From what I've seen, there are some Indie Matches where Fuke gets weird with female wrestlers in ring - but I'm not confident in the context (and WP:OR doesn't count). The sauce is needed.
TrickShotFinn (
talk) 11:21, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Also, is "FUCK! Certified World AIR Class Championship?" (FUCK!認定世界AIR級王座 / FUCK! Nintei sekai eā kyūōza) a real thing? It's listed as one of Fuke's pro wrestling titles/championships/accomplishments at jpwiki entry. TrickShotFinn ( talk) 11:46, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone have a definitive source for how many episodes of Raw there have been? WrestlingData has it at 1487 (once it updates for yesterday), while The Smackdown Hotel has it at 1507. Does anyone know why this discrepancy exists? — Czello 11:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
FYI, since we've discussed discussed Level 5 selections in the past... Vince Russo is now on the list. He was apparently added last month. [37] We had discussed many names previously and he wasn't one of them and I think there's a reason for that. LM2000 ( talk) 10:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
In templates such as WWE personnel, "Male wrestlers" appears above "Female wrestlers". There's no good reason for this that I can see and Wikipedia policy is that lists should be alphabetical unless there's a clear reason for ordering otherwise. I'd therefore propose that the order be reversed unless anyone has any thoughts otherwise. McPhail ( talk) 12:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Or we can use a format like List of UFC champions: Men and Women. Looks better than male and female in my opinion and matches with alphabetical order. Mann Mann ( talk) 13:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
McPhail ( talk) 19:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello, WikiProject,
This is a brand new article about professional wrestling by a fairly new editor and I'm hoping some here who are experienced content creators can give it a look. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PCW Ultra. I've never heard of this company. starship .paint ( exalt) 13:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion in the talk page of the Talk:January 4 Tokyo Dome Show. The issue, if the article should include the WrestleKingdom events that takes place on Jan 5 (and Jan 8). If you want, you can give your opinion. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 13:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I've recently reverted an edit which listed a title change that hadn't yet aired. My reasoning is that if the show hasn't aired, the title change is not yet official (the promotion's website, for example, still shows the previous champion). What is this wikiproject's rule on this sort of thing? When do we alter articles to reflect the current champion, if this is technically something in the "future"? — Czello 13:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm clearly in the minority here! Well, that settles that. — Czello 22:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:KOPW (New Japan Pro-Wrestling)#Requested move 26 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 17:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
The Wrestling Observer/F4WOnline website's Daily Update from yesterday has a job listing for a "Wikipedia guru". [39] Did Dave and Bryan already have a "Wikipedia guru"? I hope there isn't any UPE going on here. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" 16:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
"Jon Hugger" to "Johnny Stamboli". McPhail ( talk) 16:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
This one, I asked McPhail. iI want to open a rename request for Evolution (AJPW). The AJPW disambiguation doesn't work, since no wrestling readers don't known the topic of the article. Also, the disambiguation doesn't explain what it is (a title, a wrestler, an event??). So, I want to change the name, but there is also Evolution (professional wrestling), which is the primary topic. So, do you have any sugestion for the Japanese article? My ideas: Evolution (AJPW stable) or (Japanese stable) or (Japanese professional wrestling stable) -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
(Japanese professional wrestling stable)is probably the most consistent with Wikipedia guidelines -- passing editors won't know what a "stable" means in that context, so the additional descriptor is probably required (though it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue). — Czello 17:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Happy New Year to everyone. With this new year 2022, I have some question that I want to ask. Feel free to give me your toughts.
First, is about the Undisputed Era article. As you known, Fish, Cole and KO joind AEW and began to work together. However, the article UE say they still active. While it's true to some point (Strong stills with WWE), it's weird to say that UE, a WWE stable, still active as a sub-group of The Elite because they're the same members. What do you think? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of CM Punk Matches in AEW Muur ( talk) 22:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I know I forget something. Cagematch is one of the most used sources in the project. However, the project says "Marginally reliable. Strictly used for match results and not other information". There is any reason why isn't reliable for title history? Match results are tied with the title history. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
The WP:PW Sources page says they do fact checking on user-submitted results (although I can't find this on the site itself). My question is who is doing this fact checking, and what makes them qualified to do so? What makes BarKing81, Franjise, RutlandInsurance, etc., experts in the subject matter? I don't see any assertion of specialized knowledge or experience in the "About Us" or "Cagematch Team" pages. Is the site listed as reliable because it meets the criteria of WP:RS or because it's convenient? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Yet another example of someone who the real world viewed as notable decades ago, while the timing of the article's creation suggests that we view him as notable for dying. From skimming Google-accessible sources, there's conflicting birth and death dates, the latter of crucial concern as they span different years. The article text too closely parrots the handful of sources which appeared in the wake of his death. He had at least two stints as a pushed wrestler in the WWWF, which is unacknowledged. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 12:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Bobby Duncum Sr. → Bobby Duncum. McPhail ( talk) 11:35, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Jeremy Ganger. McPhail ( talk) 16:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
What y'all think - should we move Tom Phillips to his real name of Tom Hannifan, or keep it as is.
I think we should move it - can't be eternally wedded to his WWE name, and WP:Common name I don't think is applicable here.
Vjmlhds (talk) 15:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I am proposing that the "Residence" parameter be removed from Template:Infobox professional wrestler. This is as (1) this parameter does not appear in Template:Infobox_person, the master biographical template - I don't see why Infobox professional wrestler should include fields that Infobox_person does not expect where these pertain to wrestling (2) this information is challenging to reliably source given people may often relocate and (3) there are potential privacy/safety implications, particularly for people living in smaller towns (notwithstanding that this information may already be in the public domain somewhere, clearly putting it on Wikipedia may amplify it). Overall, I think there are sound reasons to remove this parameter from Infobox professional wrestler and I don't see any compelling reason to keep it. Views very welcome. McPhail ( talk) 11:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I think there are some articles that need a name change. However, I'm not 100% sure. So, if somebody wants to open a Request, I would be happy (or at least, an opinion is fine). Babatunde Aiyegbusi, Eric Bugenhagen, Rinku Singh and John Layfield. The first two work as Commander Azeez and Rick Boogs, which are likely the COMMONNAME, but Babatunde has a previous career as football player and Boogs had other names in WWE. The third one works as Veer Mahaan, but he has a previous basketball career and he barely appears on RAW (also, there is a movie about him). The last one is called John Bradshaw Layfield by several sources, so maybe a name change is necessary. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I think we should consider winning the Ultimate X match as an accomplishment and putting it into the Championships and accomplishments section of the wrestler who won the match. The match is quite similar to the Money in the Bank match, so when a WWE superstar wins that match like Rob Van Dam, for example, it is listed under the section of Championships and accomplishments. The one thing I don't think it should be considered as an accomplishment, when it was won by a singles match. SeosiWrestling ( talk) 15:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
For example, Charlotte Flair and Beth Phoenix use "Infobox person" and Lana uses "Infobox model". Is this an issue? Should we replaces those infoboxes with "Infobox professional wrestler"? Mann Mann ( talk) 06:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I am not a fan of infoboxes in general but since we are in the topic, shouldn't the "billed" parameter be removed. It is kayfabe in pro wrestling unlike in MMA or boxing and it's irrelevant compared to other kayfabe stuff like ring names. If necessary, it should be included somewhere else in the article as trivia, perhaps under persona and style. IW. (talk) 14:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)