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As per a discussion at my talk page. At present, the tables on the WWE Hall of Fame articles have a column for "WWE recognized accolades", however, we are only listing a summary of said accolades, not all of what WWE actually recognizes for their Hall of Fame induction. I have tried to rectify that issue, but HHH Pedrigree disagrees based on a discussion that halted 8 years ago. His argument is essentially that "I think I'm right because this is how we've done it for years." He fails to see the fallacy in his argument that I've tried to explain (saying one thing but meaning something else). So, what are your all's thoughts? Should we only list a summary of their accolades, or actually list all of the accolades that WWE recognizes, as the title of the column states? -- JDC808 ♫ 11:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Her eis the history. In 2007, User:Scorpion0422 created an article List of members of the WWE Hall of Fame with the table. The section was called "remarks" and doesn't include titles, just a few remarkable things. Then, was changed to Notes and included titles. AGX7 changed remarks to notes. [1] But ALWAYS, the most notable titles are listed. [2] [3] -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I am way late to this discussions and I apologize for being so late, but life has been crazy playing father/teacher and getting work done with all this Coronavirus fun. I tried reading everything in this but I am sure there is stuff I missed. As far as the 8 year ago discussion, I would say that discussion is moot in entirety as it related to a much smaller section before everything was broken out by year. An advantage of breaking everything out is we now can go into more detail. I dont think we should go crazy in detail, but I see no reason not to list every WWE/WCW/ECW championship. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 18:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Well. Looks like I'm the only one that agrees with the consensus. It's normal, most of the users left wikipedia or didn't answer. So, I think the new consensus has been stablished. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 21:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Anyone want to help source this article and hopefully get it posted on Recent Deaths? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
On COVID-19 lock down? Here is a list of things you could do to keep you from going insane. To those of us who are already insane... well no list will help there ;) MPJ-DK ( talk) 17:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I have worked very hard on creating the articles of special episodes of TNA's Impact Wrestling, which replaced their former pay-per-view events and were equivalents to their pay-per-views but these articles were deleted and merged because the mentioned sources were considered unreliable. I want cooperation and advice from all the admins of this project on creating articles on the special episodes of TNA equivalent to their pay-per-views such as Destination X, No Surrender, Victory Road, Turning Point, Lockdown, Hardcore Justice, Final Resolution, Sacrifice and Against All Odds, because they were not just television episodes but special major events of TNA/Impact Wrestling.
Similarly, WCW promoted Clash of the Champions supercards and I want to create separate articles for all the Clash of the Champions editions but I will initiate them only if you allow me to do so and if you assure that you are not going to delete or merge them. I do not want to waste my time and energy on a thing which will not come to fruition. PWG also promotes the "Battle of Los Angeles" supercards and tournaments annually which is their biggest enough and I believe I have enough significant sources and details regarding these events that I can create their separate articles but it will be possible only if I am assured that these articles will be retained.-- Mark Linton ( talk) 13:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.for a show then according to WP:GNG it can have a stand alone article. That part isn't really open for debate on a project level. The biggest failing here seems to be presenting reliable sources for the shows in the cited examples that were redirected. MPJ-DK ( talk) 14:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
There were several Raw episodes I nominated for deletion a year or so ago and they were closed as keep. I don't think we can blanket say qualifies or not. I would suggest taking each article on its own and see if it meets the criteria. There was a time we said individual PPVs don't meet notability, but now they do. I dont have an issue with the articles Mark Linton as long as they establish GNG. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 15:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Ken Anderson (wrestler), an article that the project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 12:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
There's more than one way to get an article improved. HHH has done one of them. Gary has proposed another method. They are both viable. I do not think HHH Pedrigree did anything particularly wrong. starship .paint ( talk) 06:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I am trying to share the benefit of my experience. When I was fairly new around Wikipedia, I messed up and initiated a couple of reviews without first putting in enough effort to work with the projects. I must say that my response to HHH has been pretty tame compared to what I received. I initially dug in my heels with the "upholding Wikipedia standards" line, and, while some editors expressed support for what I did, I quickly realized that I was in the wrong--not because I wanted to improve articles, but because the way I went about opening the review was perceived more as bullying and demanding that people be on my timeframe rather than a genuine attempt at collaboration. That's the same issue here. I learned my lesson. I hope HHH can learn it as well. That doesn't mean we can't work together to make articles better. It just means that this wasn't a particularly good way to try, and I hope for a different approach in the future. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I aprecitate some help with the Britt Baker article. I created a small sector for her character and finishing move, but KyleJoan delete it and bring it to discussion. I aprecitate if some users talk about the section, if it's necessary or not. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:56, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at the RS/N about the reliability of Whatculture, a site often used in Wrestling related articles, given the relevance to your wikiproject, I am leaving a link here to encourage discussion, as you are more likely to be familiar with the uses of the source than most of the regulars on the noticeboard. Thank you. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 22:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
There is an RfC at Talk:NXT Championship#Requests for comment regarding the NXT Championship's world title status. LM2000 ( talk) 23:59, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I think the Carly Colon article doesn't meet the Good Article criteria. Huge parts of his career are unsourced. Also, Online World of Wrestling isn0t reliable anymore. If somebody wants to help, that will be great. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 00:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
I recently found my old stash of wrestling magazines, among them the PWI Almanac 2007 and 2008 version, covering happenings in 2006 and 2007. It has the PWI 500, stats on wrestlers, top 10 news stories, recap of the year, title histories and PPV histories up until that year. If someone is in need of a reliable source I can help provide page numbers etc. to help out. MPJ-DK ( talk) 02:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Carly Colón, an article that the project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 14:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Just wanting some clarification on All Caps usage. I've read the Wiki guide but I see so much inconsistency on wrestling articles that I'm not sure what I correct.
Am I correct in thinking wrestlers, tag teams, stables, promotions, etc. that use all caps should not be shown like that. For example, Taru instead of TARU, Voodoo Murders instead of VOODOO MURDERS and Freedoms instead of FREEDOMS. The exception being anachronisms such as AJPW. 03Heat ( talk) 13:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Please see WP:Teahouse#professional_wrestlers where an editor asked about article content. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 09:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Since people voted for change the name of Otis'article, I wanted to do the same with his partner, Tucker Knight and change it to Tucker (wrestler). I think it's the same case and even was mentioned in the discussion. However, there is another wrestler, Tucker (wrestler). Do you have any idea? Using Tucker (American wrestler) and Tucker (British wrestler) maybe? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 17:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
In the articles I've looked at lately, it looks like all of the Slam! sources are no longer working. This has been one of the most important reliable sources for wrestling articles. Unfortunately, it also looks like many of the articles and biographies are excluded from the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. I have been finding some success with archive.fo. It can't replace everything, but it's a start. For example, on the Over the Edge (1999) article, I found archived versions for 6 of the 8 references. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
profightdb.com is listed on WP:PW/RS as limited reliability only for match results. In edits such as [5] it is being used to say which day which matches happened for WrestleMania. I have not seen anywhere else reliable claim what happened which day. Is this reliable for this? - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 13:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Not trying to make wrestling “real”, but we’re also not trying to fixate on the fictional part of it either. Just because the matches are predetermined doesn’t mean pro wrestling should be compared to all other forms of fiction. Like I said, professional wrestling is a unique form of sports entertainment that is unlike any other business in the world and should be treated as such without trying to lump it in with movies, sitcoms, dramas and whatnot. We already do acknowledge the dates that WWE recognizes, that’s why we have 2 seperate columns, one for the date a title change took place and one for the date that WWE recognizes. OldSkool01 ( talk) 04:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
People are conflating two different terms here. Reliable means that it is written by experts, such as (to simplify the matter) a staff that has gone through an application process or someone who has otherwise proven himself or herself to be an expert. Examples include people who have been in the business for a long time and have been recognized by others in the industry as an expert. Accurate means that the thing reported actually happened as the writer says. For inclusion on Wikipedia, the source should pass the first test. Is it a reliable source? The question of accuracy is secondary. Reliable sources can report inaccurate information. Accurate sources may not pass the reliability test. Arguing about whether a source is reliable based on the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of a report shows a misunderstanding of one of Wikipedia's most important guidelines. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 13:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I need some opinion on an issue. New Zealand Wide Pro Wrestling has closed since the owner retired earlier this year. I made edits to the page but another user continues to revert all of my edits. I have searched and have found some evidence that the promotion is defunct. I would like some help and a consensus to be reached. Please can you do some more research and make a decision?
The promotion was operated by Martin Stirling and He Toa Sports Incorporated. The promotion has been closed since 2018 and has not held any events since then. Cagematch shows correctly that it closed in 2018 [1] So does this site, [2] The website nzwpw.com and its Facebook page was closed in 2018. No more content has been posted on the promotion's Twitter page since 2018 [3] Also the contact page of the development version of the now closed NZWPW website [4] You will see it was part of He Toa Sports which is now closed. Please visit nzwpw.com in the Web Archive to see this. It shows the parent is He Toa Sports which is now closed. As reported by Maori Television, the He Toa Sports training school was closed in 2015. [5] He Toa Sports Incorporated was officially dissolved on 28 February 2020 [6] Socks 01 ( talk) 02:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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I know Wikipedia doesn't censor spoilers but out of courtesy I'm going to give you all fair warnings for spoilers for Pt 2 of Great American Bash. Stop reading here if you want to avoid spoilers.
That out of the way, you might have seen that a leak has revealed that Keith Lee will win the NXT championship on night 2 of GAB, to be broadcast on 8th July. This change has been made on several articles already, such as Lee's article, the NXT title page, and the list of NXT champions page. I have reverted these based on the fact that leaks would not be considered reliable sources: firstly, the "leak" in question is far from confirmation: it is a (grainy) photo of Lee appearing to celebrate, but holds no official statement of Lee's victory. Secondly, unconfirmed leaks would conflict with WP:RUMOUR in that this is not verifiable. Similarly we shouldn't be making changes in anticipation for his victory, as per WP:CRYSTALBALL. Finally, as per other title pages, Lee's title reign is only official when it actually becomes official (i.e., when the show is broadcast and WWE lists it on their site).
I'm posting this here on the Wikiproject page out of anticipation that we'll need to keep a close eye on these articles over the coming days as I expect edit warring to take place. — Czello 15:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
I already posted this question on the talk page, but yet to receive an answer, so I'll ask here. Since WWE officially bought Evolve, should we add Evolve's championships to the List of current champions in WWE page or wait until WWE use the Evolve brand in an official capacity?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 15:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed that an IP added fake match times back in December 2012. I fixed the times for one event, and I can work away at the others. If anyone wants to help, please feel free. There's no actual source given for match times, but I went with Pro Wrestling History (prowrestlinghistory.com), as it's definitely better than the fake times (one match I looked at was listed as 12 minutes when it was actually less than 3). GaryColemanFan ( talk) 21:52, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello I am in the middle of a dispute with Dilbaggg ( talk · contribs) who refuses to allow me to edit sections on "The Reality Era" article as well as the History of WWE for the Reality Era as well. I have three reputable sources, TWO of which are from WWE themselves, one that states point blank that the timeframe for this era is 2014-2016. However this user is using their own personal views and opinions by going with a 2013-2016 timeframe which is incorrect. So incorrect that again, WWE themselves disagree as you will see below. Dilbaggg's source pointing to the Reality Era beginning in 2013 is a fanmade poster photo from DeviantArt that says "2013-2016". I find this absurd. If someone can please assist it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
68.196.72.173 ( talk) 23:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Cheers. Dilbaggg ( talk) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Triple H's exact quotes from the video:
"Maybe I start the Reality Era" "Maybe as of right now this moment this is the beginning of the Reality Era"
And it was. And eventually years later WWE apparently labeled 2014 in general as the start of the era as seen in my first source.
And continuing on, the Sportster isn't a reliable source but grantland, thechairshot.com(a random guy saying something in a podcast?) and 411mania are? Not to mention they all supersede WWE themselves? And with regards to the the 411Mania source, they too imply that the beginning was 2014 with Triple H's statement from 3/24/14, not 2013. And you're right TV ratings don't determine era's and WWE wasn't the 'PG Era' prior to 1997 but that is completely irrelevant here besides the point as WWE has called it the PG Era multiple times - Once in that poll, and two others from WWE superstars themselves that I know of- Triple H in his "Thy Kingdom Come" documentary and Natalya on her "Table for 3" episode. I am perfectly fine with keeping your 2013 background on the Reality Era but as far as the REAL timeframe goes the official timeframe is 2014-2016. It's like other era's too. In late 1992 when WWE slowly began heading in a different direction with new stars such as Bret, Shawn and Razor but the New Generation didn't go into full swing until mid 93 or so. 68.196.72.173 ( talk) 02:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I will list the Triple H 3/24/14 youtube video quotes again for you:
"Maybe I start the Reality Era"... "Maybe as of right now this moment this is the beginning of the Reality Era"
There are no other sources but there doesn't need to be any other sources as again, for the last time now, and as mentioned above, anything from WWE themselves trumps these other secondary sources. Not to mention there are several secondary sources we have seen that show 2014-2016 as well. Your own personal opinion of this is getting in the way, and believe me I can understand that sometimes. As an example I 100% feel that the ECW Championship should not count as a world championship at all but because WWE notes it as such in areas of their website, Wikipedia counts it as one and I had to accept it. With this topic though, even without the WWE source, I know as a huge WWE fan myself that the real Reality Era was in fact 2014-2016, even if there were some signs and shades of it beforehand. WWE was still very much PG Era-ish through 2013.
Side notes: Bringing up the Universe Era/PG Era discussion is irrelevant here, but regardless, WWE does not cite it as the Universe Era, officially. Visual Concepts, the makers of the WWE2K14 game, does. I'm sure they got some sort of permission from WWE to use that name for the game as it may sound better, but ultimately, PG Era has been accepted by WWE and an overwhelming majority of it's fans.
68.196.72.173 ( talk) 13:29, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, thanks, but I will change it on the actual Reality Era article. If you can please note this on the 'History of WWE' talk section so I can be permitted to clean that up as well that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.72.173 ( talk) 12:35, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you 68.196.72.173 ( talk) 14:16, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I have to ask: why do we care? Seriously, a two year or so period of relative insignificance in the history of the company doesn't need to be significantly defined by their attempt (and failure) to brand it with a buzzword name (after that buzzword had already lost any broader pop culture significance, I might add). In short, we don't need to parrot WWE marketing speak every article. It fails NPOV, frankly, and gives undue weight to the company's self-promotion. oknazevad ( talk) 14:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
As it's tangentially related to the above debate, you should all know that I've nominated the standalone article for deletion as it's largely a duplication of what's on the History of WWE article. You can participate in the AfD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reality Era. — Czello 06:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
But there is a difference and WWE does define these eras as seen below. WWE also made a big push for the "New Era" following WM32.
Hi everybody. So, I was looking at the Glossary of professional wrestling terms talk page a couple days ago, and I saw someone suggesting an article be written on ribbing in wrestling. The comment was years old, but I thought it seemed like a good idea, so I wrote one. It's in my Sandbox if you want to read it. It turns out that there was once an article on ribbing, but User:Nikki311 changed it to a redirect to the Glossary I already linked. That was years ago, too. This is the first article I've written, so I would hope it passes AfD, but I'd like it to at least get a chance, because I think 9 words in a glossary is way less than what this could be. I left a comment about this on Nikki311's Talk Page, but haven't heard back, and it doesn't seem that she's the easiest person to get a reply from. Does anyone have any advice on what I should do? "Yes... It's Raining" 21:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Trying to develop a community consensus on these and a few other dubious sources. Please weigh in on the discussion here. Thanks. Dory Funk ( talk) 16:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Earlier this year, we discussed swapping some of entries for Pro Wrestling vital articles. Since then, they have increased the number of slots we have to fill. That mans Giant Baba and Mildred Burke, who we discussed adding, are now there. Others like Savage, Cena, Bret Hart, Benoit and The Undertaker, who we discussed removing, are probably safe. They gave us even more slots, and those were filled by Chyna, Jerry Lawler and Stu Hart. These were not names we discussed last time this topic came up. Should their places go to others we discussed, like Mil Mascaras or Blue Demon? LM2000 ( talk) 20:45, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@
LM2000,
HHH Pedrigree,
Lee Vilenski, and
InedibleHulk: - (1) I'd put
Blue Demon in over Jerry Lawler, as Blue was more prominent in his country than Lawler, and Blue is definitely above Mascaras. (2) Chyna definitely shouldn't be on there, if you want to keep having a woman there, I'd propose
Manami Toyota, named by the Washington Post
[7] as perhaps the greatest female wrestler of all time
. Dave Meltzer
[8] concurred on Toyota, may have been the greatest woman wrestler of all-time
... one of the first generation of women stars respected by the male wrestling fans
, on a par if not superior to any male pro wrestler of the 1990s as far as athleticism and garnering a reaction from fans
. If not a woman, but keeping it WWE-centric, I'd have
Rey Mysterio, arguably the greatest of all time to wear a mask
according to PWTorch, arguably the most famous masked wrestler to ever perform in modern-day professional wrestling
according to Sports Illustrated, and who is also the most influential wrestler on this generation of wrestlers (and it's not even close
), according to Meltzer.
[9] Not sure about Stu Hart. To accommodate all three of the above, I'd take out Roddy Piper, who has never even won a top WWF or WCW title.
starship
.paint (
talk) 11:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
I suggest removing Chyna, Lawler, and Benoit. Possible replacements are Blue Demon, Mil Mascaras, Triple H, The Rock. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:48, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
InedibleHulk - add your own name to the list where needed. I can't tell when you were serious above. @ HHH Pedrigree, LM2000, and Lee Vilenski: - we need to hear from you who to remove. I'm sure we won't be removing/adding anyone with just one vote. For every person you vote to add, please vote to add one person to remove. starship .paint ( talk) 04:21, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys, I went over to read Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5#Introduction and there are some rules for changing articles. It turns out that you'll need to vote over there as well (at least four votes to make a change). From the above, it's clear that Lawler and Chyna have the most removal votes, so I nominated them already. Blue Demon has the most add votes, so I nominated him, the rest is currently a tie, but since we nominated to remove Chyna, I have nominated Toyota, who is also female. I haven't done any other nomination because the third addition/removal is not so clear, and in any case, it wouldn't be easy to nominate someone I personally did not support. Things for us to do:
@ HHH Pedrigree, InedibleHulk, GaryColemanFan, and LM2000: starship .paint ( talk) 14:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Lee Vilenski: - your two removal votes are yet to be in. starship .paint ( talk) 14:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I'll tag GuzzyG here, who recently posted on the other page and may be unaware of this discussion. LM2000 ( talk) 16:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
In light of the recent event with Sonya Deville, I would suggest that we cease using the "resides" field in professional wrestling biographical articles to avoid publicising this information. Thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 18:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I just want to double check something so I'm not barking up the wrong tree. You guys only like stuff when it comes to factions or stables to be what is reflected on screen right? I've been battling a bunch of IP accounts who keep adding some Twitch streamers to The Dark Order because Evil Uno made them "members" as part of a charity stream. -- MattBinYYC ( talk) 22:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I have seen two different dates for Steve Corino's debut. The one on the article which is April 6, 1994 and the one on Cagematch which is April 6, 1995. Regardless of that, he is listed as having won the WWC Puerto Rico Championship on December 2, 1992 when he defeated Miguel Pérez, Jr. in a tournament final to win the vacant title. So how could Corino win the title when he wasn't even in wrestling at that time? This needs to corrected. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I have one question. Do we have a policy or suggestion about pictures in championships articles? I'm saying this because, during the last months, I have seen several edition about this. I have readed our Style Guide but I can't find anything, so I was thinking to write a list with suggestions. For example, I have seen a picture of Jericho 10 years ago as WHC and Ambrose under the Shield attire as US Champ to illustrate the AEW World Championship, which I think is wrong (wrong title, wrong gimmick and picture to old). I would recomend these pictures. 1, Ideal picture, the champ with the title. 2, current picture of the champ (or when the reign took place, a picture of 2011 for a 2011 reign). 3, old picture of the champ. Suggestion, try to avoid pictures with other titles. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello I'm bringing this topic forward in hopes of figuring out a solution. At Rebellion (2020), Moose declared himself the TNA World Heavyweight Champion since Tessa Blanchard couldn't defend her World Championship. Since then the title has been used on television but still hasn't been announced as an "Official" championship in Impact Wrestling and is being used as a separate belt different from Impact's World Championship. And for that reason I found that under these circumstances Moose's TNA World Heavyweight Championship reign would fall under the Category:Unsanctioned championships so for that reason I placed the category under the TNA World Heavyweight Championship page and since then User:Oknazevad has been telling me the belt is sanctioned and is official but due to the way the belt is being used on television i have been disagreeing with his statements. Hopefully a resolution can be found now. Eerie Holiday ( talk) 18:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Noticed this while adding an entry to the recent deaths page. I'm seeing several social media posts stating that Jerry Brown died on September 15 and we're still pretending he's not notable, despite being the senior member of one of the top tag teams during an entire decade. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
In the CZW Wired Championship article, I had to fix the date format in the references. Since CZW is an American promotion, MDY date format (month, day, year) is always to be used. Other countries my use both MDY or DMY date format while they may use only DMY date format. Not sure if it's necessary to be put in the style guide or wherever. But we should be mindful of the country the promotion, title, people in the business are from. Even if a promotion does a show in another country, you still have use the correct date format based on the country the promotion is from. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 07:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I disagree completely. According to Wikipedia:Citing sources, "While citations should aim to provide the information listed above, Wikipedia does not have a single house style, though citations within any given article should follow a consistent style. A number of citation styles exist including those described in the Wikipedia articles for Citation, APA style, ASA style, MLA style, The Chicago Manual of Style, Author-date referencing, the Vancouver system and Bluebook....Although nearly any consistent style may be used, avoid all-numeric date formats other than YYYY-MM-DD, because of the ambiguity concerning which number is the month and which the day." It also states: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. The arbitration committee ruled in 2006: 'Wikipedia does not mandate styles in many different areas; these include (but are not limited to) American vs. British spelling, date formats, and citation style. Where Wikipedia does not mandate a specific style, editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style, nor should they edit articles for the sole purpose of converting them to their preferred style, or removing examples of, or references to, styles which they dislike.'" These make it pretty clear that we should not make large-scale changes to existing articles. I use 2020-09-19 if I'm creating a new article. As long as there is consistency within each article, there is no need for consistency between articles. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 20:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I have created th draft List of championships used in WWE to cover both active and inactive titles (as well as other championships used by WWE) since there is currently no such list. ★Trekker ( talk) 02:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I see that DDT and all the titles they recognize, the lists have defenses tracked. As we all know or should know, we only track them if the promotion does. I'm am wondering if DDT actually tracks them. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 01:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I have one question about the NXT Title, again. Recently, after a discussion, the World title label was removed from the article. I read the article and saw one sentence "It is one of WWE's top three titles, alongside the WWE Championship on Raw and the WWE Universal Championship on SmackDown ". This stencence says NXT title is more important than IC and USA (Secondary titles of the main roster/ bigger brands) and equal to World Titles (WWE and Universal). This statement needs a source. Vjmlhds give me a video when Triple H talked about Survivor Series, but 1) Falls into wp:publicity (every promotion is the best in the world, but needs a source) 2) HHH just said a NXT vs WWE vs Universal champion was pitched. 3) Drew McIntyre said, before his match against lesnar, he never won a World Tile. So, hard to say NXT Championship is one of WWE's top titles. It's NXT top title for male wrestlers, but the whole WWE, need more sources. What do you think? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 22:10, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
HHH Pedrigree All I did was point out that sometimes, relying on an outside source REALLY ISN'T better than seeing what's right in front of you. If we took Wiki policy into the real world, we'd all be sitting in torched houses (ourselves burned to a crisp) because we'd want outside verification to tell us that OUR FREAKING HOUSE IS ON FIRE. Long story short, sometimes the primary source IS the best option. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:46, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I can't help but to imagine using Wiki logic in the real world citation needed -- a guy talks to his neighbor, and says "I just saw a guy getting shot in front of my house". The neighbor says "Did you call the police?" The guy then says "No, because I needed additional verification from a third party source." Vjmlhds (talk) 14:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Completely agree with HHH Pedrigree and Oknazevad in this. WWE has a tendency to try to control the narrative, and so to be NPoV it's only right we base this on third party sources as per WP:IS. — Czello 13:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
NXT is now one of WWE's three main brandswhere was this established again? MPJ-DK ( talk) 16:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
There's too much original research going on here; conclusions are being drawn, like "Because of WWE say NXT is no longer developmental, it means the NXT title is one of their top 3". Or that WWE are "obviously implying" something, which is rubbish. That's not how we do things. Here's what it comes down to: is there a reliable source that explicitly says that the NXT title is one of their top 3 titles? If there isn't, we can't include it. — Czello 07:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone,
I'm seeking consensus here, otherwise I might be punished later when I bring this matter to the administrator's noticeboards.
Hope this post settles the present edit war in
Hartley Jackson and
The Mighty Don't Kneel, but I suspect it won't.
The thing is,
Hartley Jackson recently went through an
AfD that arose a lengthy of discussion.
Jammo85 had asked me for assistance in find sources to a certain fact, and I did find sources, but we are still facing opposition from another user in
Hartley Jackson and
The Mighty Don't Kneel (TMDK).
We would like to state "Hartley Jackson was part of The Mighty Don't Kneel in 2015 and 2016."
I have found two sources from websites of official pro wrestling events (they are archived, please give it a few minutes to load):
and Hartley appears on the TMDK side on both.
Also, there is also a listing of his appearances as TMDK here, which corroborates the above:
but this website is listed in one unofficial list of reliable sources as being Marginally reliable. Strictly used for match results and not other information. Takes user submissions but is reviewed by regional editors that verify all submissions before they are added to the database. The other party uses this against us, but I actually think it supports us, as we are actually only using results here. That is, we are not using the blog posts produced in cagematch (see [11]).
Auxiliary sources are:
Do you guys think these sources back the statement "Hartley Jackson was part of The Mighty Don't Kneel in 2015 and 2016", or not?
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 19:03, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
The style guide currently reads "If the match ended in submission, disqualification, or countout, it should proceed the example above with: by [decision]. Do not proceed the example above for pinfall victories, as it is the default method of victory throughout professional wrestling." My view would be that we *should* include "by pinfall" where the victory was achieved by pinfall. The current approach assumes that the reader will know that pinfall is the "default" way of winning, which a casual reader may be unaware of. Why not make this clear? It's also more consistent. I don't see any downside to including the text "by pinfall" where applicable. Any thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 16:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The other day, I read an AFD which was closed as delete. One of the !voters remarked of the article in question, "Mostly in-universe discussion of fictive characters without any critical commentary or indication of real-world significance". This project has repeatedly failed to take heed of what the community at large thinks of its efforts. Looking over Jerry Lawler just now, I see a poster child for this. Does anyone really know what a biography is? Over and over, I read biography articles covered under this project which consist of an excessive amount of storyline trivia and treat the whole of the subject's life as an afterthought.
Just now, I read this story published by a RS. The story contains an abundance of details relevant to Lawler's life, details which have previously been published by other RS, yet have been kept out of the article for many years, for seemingly no reason other than their lack of relevance to the WWE or to storylines. Since I last read this article, someone inserted the following:
Early life
Lawler was born in Memphis, Tennessee.[5]
Yes, that's the entire section. Can you say "turd polish"? Good, I knew you could. From there, it jumps to mentioning the West Memphis outlaw mud show promoter (leaving out over twenty years of his life, including moving to Ohio and back to Memphis, graduating from high school, his early career which found him in the public eye for the first time), yet the RS I link to above avoids acknowledging that. That RS does mention Lance Russell and Jackie Fargo and Eddie Bond, just like so many other sources do. The documentation on reliable sources counsels against giving undue weight to fringe minority sources. Could it be that Slam Wrestling is a fringe minority source in this case? I realize some of you may not be equipped to handle that opinion. I also realize that some of you would be falling all over yourselves to turn this into a real article if it were an easy GA hat for you to collect. I believe the significance of the article to the project should take precedence over that sort of nonsense. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I did some updates to the UWN Tag Team Championship article. I updated the infobox, combined reigns, and the title history section to reflect the current champions since it was outdated. Now, I can't figure out why the table for the history is not showing up as correctly formatted for the current champions. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. To my admission, I don't use the table for title histories which I should. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 15:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Category:PWFP has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.
-- 67.70.32.97 ( talk) 04:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC) There hasn't been a vote of comment since October 7. The consensus is in support renaming of the main category and moving sub-cats and articles to it. Closing the discussion is best at this point. It is unlikely anybody else will chime in the discussion. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I have just completed a major update of the article on Ventura Tenario, a.k.a. Chief Little Wolf. Given my level of unfamiliarity with professional wrestling archives, etc., I have reached a dead-end in relation to one matter, and was hoping that somebody can help.
On page 35 of York, Barry, "Big Chief Little Wolf: Wrestling, Radio and Folklore in Australia", Journal of Australian Studies, Vol.22, No.58, (January 1998), pp.29-37, Australian National University Research Fellow, Barry York, writes: "There is no doubt the Chief was excellent at what he did. In 1974, he was inducted into New York's Wrestling Hall of Fame. He is still regarded by wrestling fans as the master of the Indian Deathlock, a technically difficult hold to apply."
I was hoping that someone could help me to identify (a) the correct designation for "New York's Wrestling Hall of Fame", (b) the date upon which the "1974" induction took place, and (c) a reference that I could cite in support of this induction (e.g., newspaper, magazine, newsletter, press statement, etc.), rather than just citing York's article (within which York does not cite a source for his statement). Thanks Lindsay658 ( talk) 17:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
LM2000 Thanks ever so much for your advice. I have done as you suggested. Lindsay658 ( talk) 19:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
User Buidhe started a Good Article reassessment on Triple H. I will try to fix the problems, but maybe some user want to help me with other problems. HHH was nominated 13 years ago, so maybe a in -deep review is needed. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Looking for clarification. It to do with the naming convention of the "Superstar" Billy Graham.. Now, for the most part we don't put nicknames in the title. Danny Davis is another matter since there were two wrestlers who used Danny Davis as their ring name. Outside of certain circumstances like that, we would put wrestler in parenthesis in the article title. I checked the style guide and there is nothing saying that isn't allowed. But it is generally accepted that nicknames are not put in article titles outside of that example stated. I did look in the archives and there was a consensus to move it to what it is now. Someone made the case, such as I said about not putting nicknames in article titles. Even Steven Austin's article could be moved to Steven Austin (wrestler) if a consensus were to be reached. We wouldn't move Randy Savages article to Macho Man Randy Savage. So it was redundant to move Billy Graham to Superstar Billy Graham. The adage of leaving well enough alone in terms of the Billy Graham article prior to the move applies. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
A recent discussion has flagged that the definition of "debut" in Template:Infobox professional wrestler is slightly ambiguous. The definition currently reads "Date or year of professional debut". I would suggest rewording this as follows: "The date (or year if the exact date is unavailable) when the wrestler made their professional debut, i.e. wrestled their first match." Any thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 10:45, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Do inconsequential AEW Dark matches fail
WP:PW/BIO, which states that editors should refrain from writing in
proseline ("week-by-week" format)
?
KyleJoan
talk 03:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Popcornfud seems to believe wrestler nicknames and ringnames should both use a lowercase "the" and lose the quotation marks, per a guideline in the general Manual of Style. I suggested to him our style guide explicitly addressed how it works in wrestling, but I was wrong, it doesn't. I still believe there's an implicit unwritten rule, based on the decades of near-universal usage by the promotions and those who write about them. See Dwayne Johnson and Rick Martel for how wrong it looks in practice, then decide whether we should adopt this newfangled idea to the hundreds of other longstanding gimmicks on Wikipedia, or leave well enough alone. InedibleHulk ( talk) 22:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Just notifying Popcornfud again, screwed up the first time. InedibleHulk ( talk) 22:10, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
A leading "the" is not capitalized in a nickname, pseudonym, or other alias.I believe this is pretty cut and dry, and this is exactly why we are supposed to have this policy, to settle debates like this.
When you call Martel the Model, it suggests he was just plain billed as "Model",
Hi. I have one question. Since the WWE Hall of Fame 2020 was postponed until 2021, should we change the name of the article to WWE Hall of Fame 2021? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 18:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
We have the template template:Professional wrestling profiles which pulls the relevant pages from the Cagematch, Wrestlingdata, and Internet Wrestling Database databases for wrestlers. Could we do something similar for events, e.g. if the template was added to the WrestleMania X page it would link to the pages on the above websites? I have no idea how to create a template of this nature but just thought it could be an interesting idea. McPhail ( talk) 11:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Check the page revision history and my message on User talk:Dory Funk. I have repeatedly requested them to refrain from removing WP:RS and seek Wp:RfC, but they just continue the vandalism. i would respect the decision by senior editors at WP:PW., if they go along with this then its fine. The similar edit pattern of User:ItsKesha and User:Dory Funk on both articles is pretty suspicious. Dilbaggg ( talk) 13:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Garbage report. I removed material from The Undertaker I felt was WP:CRUFT; Dilbaggg reverted my edit (fair enough). When another user sided with me, he flew into a juvenile rage with all sorts of allegations spewing forth. ItsKesha is largely focused on soccer, something I've never even watched, let alone edited about here. Dory Funk ( talk) 13:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
see ya indeed eh socks Dory Funk, ItsKesha, now I am confused if i should take it to SPI or just go to AIV, even if I dont someone with a mop will eventually do it, seee ya indeed. Dilbaggg ( talk) 13:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Stop your disruptibve editing on The Undertaker deleting WP:RS contents. You only joined in 2020, you can not delete things based on personal views. Just because an individual user feels it needs to be cut and feels that it is not notable doesn't make it so, this list has been there since I first started viewing wikipedia since 2008 (though I started editing as a registered user from 2019), seek consensus before making such change, there are senior users on Wp:PW from at least 2005 who have more say tin the matter than you, it complies with WP:RS and all other guidelines and demonstrates that Taker had the highest victories at WM (considered the Superbowl of Wrestling) and the Streak has been one of the most prominent features in Wrestling history, and even after its demise Taker's highest number of victories is worth mentioning until someone surpasses this record. Seek WP:RfC and avoid deleting based on personal views. Moreover refrain from removing widely accepted Wp:RS contents which is definitely disruptive editing. Please do not start a WP:EW over it. Regards. Dilbaggg ( talk) 09:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)" |
One might think that your sockpuppetry claims are an effort to pre-empt allegations that you are also User:Gorrrillla5, the account whose additions you are going to great lengths to protect. I haven't yet made that allegation myself. Dory Funk ( talk) 14:28, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
As the user Dilbag hasn't made any attempt whatsoever to even begin a discussion on whatever his bollocks complaint is, I have taken it upon myself to begin one. ItsKesha ( talk) 14:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Recent edits on WWE Music Group discography appears to be Wikipedia:Gaming the system by ItsKesha, removing all WP:RS, leaving a sourceless list, but as I am not attached to this article, I won't bother with it and it is upto the senior editors to decide, just letting them know if they feel like checking out, otherwise its fine. Dilbaggg ( talk) 18:12, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
The message to
User talk:ItsKesha,. ─ (
User talk:ItsKesha,)
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User talk:ItsKesha, um what is a wrong dude, why are you removing
WP:RS from
The New Era (WWE), and please do not give over linking excuse, over linking is when you use multiple (more than three sources) to reference a line, sometimes a single source is not valid enough "like when people say an event is well received, just reference to one review is not sufficient. (Also sources like post-2013 bleacher report are usable per
WP:PW/RS and primary sources like wwe.com are usable as long as they are not being used for "promotional purpose", and not all usable sources needs to be part of
WP:PW/RS, other
WP:RS can be used as long as they are not listed unreliable in
WP:PW/RS. So please stop removing
WP:RS as it is sort of disruptive editing, but I will assume
WP:AGF and hope you are not
Wikipedia:Gaming the system which is kinda what it seems on
WWE Music Group discography. Wish you well.
Dilbaggg (
talk) 17:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting help in further improving the quality of this brilliant article to make it suitable for GA nomination. It is sufficiently well sourced, neutral and well written article and a hot topic in modern day Professional Wrestling World. It has way more credibility than the short lived and less impactful and poorly sourced TNA Impact!'s move to Monday nights which still got GA nominated. The Wednesday Night Wars and the rise of AEW as the first serious competitor to WWE since WCW is perhaps the most significant thing in the modern pro wrestling world, this fact is acknowledged even in the TNA Impact!'s move to Monday nights and the original Monday Night Wars with fitting WP:V. Also this article demonstrates genuine neutrality when comparing AEW and NXT and is created based on sufficient and credible WP:RS and WP:V. So yeah I feel this article should be GA nominated. Dilbaggg ( talk) 16:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't intend this to be negative, or a slight on anybody who has put in effort on these articles, but I don't understand the point of articles titled "list of BLA BLA BLA special episodes". Beyond the episodes being on at a different time, or on a different day, or having a theme, or a 55 year old referee debuting, 99% of these special episodes are not remotely special. Oh, a scripted general manager was filmed spinning a wheel to make a scripted match? Fantastic. The episode was the 700th episode? So what, 700 isn't a special number!
If anyone can help improve the sourcing for Kevin Greene (American football) regarding his WCW tenure, I would appreciate it. There are many wrestling-specific sources out there and I have no idea about the reliability of any of them. Thanks. – Muboshgu ( talk) 18:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
This wrestling legend passed away yesterday. I've added a couple of references, and the article looks like it's close to ready for RD--just a few more references needed. If anyone has some time, it would be great to see this posted on the main page. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 17:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Clearly this event never happened, even if there was no formal announcement of a cancellation. We have three days left in 2020 (yay!). And also clearly that any previously announced matches for this cancelled event are off (especially anything to do with Scurill in ROH, as he's no longer even listed on their roster page). So what do we do with this article? It was a marginally notable internet PPV to start with, but even if we decide to keep a separate article (instead of overhauling it for the 2021 edition, presuming that actually happens) it still needs a total rewrite as it is woefully outdated and still written as though there's a chance this event could happen in 2020. oknazevad ( talk) 15:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Why on earth does any American wrestler have a Luchas de Apuestas record? If this is inexplicably included for an American wrestler, why not have their Hell in a Cell history as well? Buried Alive or inferno? Why not have their history at WrestleMania or Slammiversary or Starrcade too? Their Royal Rumble record, or their history in an Elimination Chamber? Masks are huge part of Mexican wrestling, and mask removals are major parts of a lucha libre's career. But in British wrestling it's not a huge deal, nor in American wrestling, or in Japan, or Germany, or Canada. The part about "luchas de apuestas" is literally just a subsection of an article titled "Lucha Libre". Kendo Nagasaki wasn't a luchador, Kane wasn't a luchador. Kurt Angle and Edge, who had a hair versus hair match because Angle was losing his hair, weren't. Big Van Vader, who took his mask off countless times during his matches, definitely wasn't. ItsKesha ( talk) 19:13, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
The consensus, based on discussions within the project, is to include LdA records. Anyone wanting to change this would need to establish a new consensus. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 15:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Would appreciate some actual input on this, rather than completely unnecessary stonewalling. Just why is this thing deemed so important as to include it on all articles, regardless of cultural importance or lack thereof? ItsKesha ( talk) 11:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
NXT India, currently a redirect to NXT (WWE brand) has been nominated for deletion at RfD. Input from those familiar with the topic area would be useful - please comment at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 7#NXT India. Thanks, Thryduulf ( talk) 21:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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As per a discussion at my talk page. At present, the tables on the WWE Hall of Fame articles have a column for "WWE recognized accolades", however, we are only listing a summary of said accolades, not all of what WWE actually recognizes for their Hall of Fame induction. I have tried to rectify that issue, but HHH Pedrigree disagrees based on a discussion that halted 8 years ago. His argument is essentially that "I think I'm right because this is how we've done it for years." He fails to see the fallacy in his argument that I've tried to explain (saying one thing but meaning something else). So, what are your all's thoughts? Should we only list a summary of their accolades, or actually list all of the accolades that WWE recognizes, as the title of the column states? -- JDC808 ♫ 11:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Her eis the history. In 2007, User:Scorpion0422 created an article List of members of the WWE Hall of Fame with the table. The section was called "remarks" and doesn't include titles, just a few remarkable things. Then, was changed to Notes and included titles. AGX7 changed remarks to notes. [1] But ALWAYS, the most notable titles are listed. [2] [3] -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I am way late to this discussions and I apologize for being so late, but life has been crazy playing father/teacher and getting work done with all this Coronavirus fun. I tried reading everything in this but I am sure there is stuff I missed. As far as the 8 year ago discussion, I would say that discussion is moot in entirety as it related to a much smaller section before everything was broken out by year. An advantage of breaking everything out is we now can go into more detail. I dont think we should go crazy in detail, but I see no reason not to list every WWE/WCW/ECW championship. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 18:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Well. Looks like I'm the only one that agrees with the consensus. It's normal, most of the users left wikipedia or didn't answer. So, I think the new consensus has been stablished. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 21:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Anyone want to help source this article and hopefully get it posted on Recent Deaths? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
On COVID-19 lock down? Here is a list of things you could do to keep you from going insane. To those of us who are already insane... well no list will help there ;) MPJ-DK ( talk) 17:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I have worked very hard on creating the articles of special episodes of TNA's Impact Wrestling, which replaced their former pay-per-view events and were equivalents to their pay-per-views but these articles were deleted and merged because the mentioned sources were considered unreliable. I want cooperation and advice from all the admins of this project on creating articles on the special episodes of TNA equivalent to their pay-per-views such as Destination X, No Surrender, Victory Road, Turning Point, Lockdown, Hardcore Justice, Final Resolution, Sacrifice and Against All Odds, because they were not just television episodes but special major events of TNA/Impact Wrestling.
Similarly, WCW promoted Clash of the Champions supercards and I want to create separate articles for all the Clash of the Champions editions but I will initiate them only if you allow me to do so and if you assure that you are not going to delete or merge them. I do not want to waste my time and energy on a thing which will not come to fruition. PWG also promotes the "Battle of Los Angeles" supercards and tournaments annually which is their biggest enough and I believe I have enough significant sources and details regarding these events that I can create their separate articles but it will be possible only if I am assured that these articles will be retained.-- Mark Linton ( talk) 13:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.for a show then according to WP:GNG it can have a stand alone article. That part isn't really open for debate on a project level. The biggest failing here seems to be presenting reliable sources for the shows in the cited examples that were redirected. MPJ-DK ( talk) 14:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
There were several Raw episodes I nominated for deletion a year or so ago and they were closed as keep. I don't think we can blanket say qualifies or not. I would suggest taking each article on its own and see if it meets the criteria. There was a time we said individual PPVs don't meet notability, but now they do. I dont have an issue with the articles Mark Linton as long as they establish GNG. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 15:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Ken Anderson (wrestler), an article that the project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 12:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
There's more than one way to get an article improved. HHH has done one of them. Gary has proposed another method. They are both viable. I do not think HHH Pedrigree did anything particularly wrong. starship .paint ( talk) 06:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I am trying to share the benefit of my experience. When I was fairly new around Wikipedia, I messed up and initiated a couple of reviews without first putting in enough effort to work with the projects. I must say that my response to HHH has been pretty tame compared to what I received. I initially dug in my heels with the "upholding Wikipedia standards" line, and, while some editors expressed support for what I did, I quickly realized that I was in the wrong--not because I wanted to improve articles, but because the way I went about opening the review was perceived more as bullying and demanding that people be on my timeframe rather than a genuine attempt at collaboration. That's the same issue here. I learned my lesson. I hope HHH can learn it as well. That doesn't mean we can't work together to make articles better. It just means that this wasn't a particularly good way to try, and I hope for a different approach in the future. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I aprecitate some help with the Britt Baker article. I created a small sector for her character and finishing move, but KyleJoan delete it and bring it to discussion. I aprecitate if some users talk about the section, if it's necessary or not. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:56, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at the RS/N about the reliability of Whatculture, a site often used in Wrestling related articles, given the relevance to your wikiproject, I am leaving a link here to encourage discussion, as you are more likely to be familiar with the uses of the source than most of the regulars on the noticeboard. Thank you. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 22:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
There is an RfC at Talk:NXT Championship#Requests for comment regarding the NXT Championship's world title status. LM2000 ( talk) 23:59, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I think the Carly Colon article doesn't meet the Good Article criteria. Huge parts of his career are unsourced. Also, Online World of Wrestling isn0t reliable anymore. If somebody wants to help, that will be great. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 00:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
I recently found my old stash of wrestling magazines, among them the PWI Almanac 2007 and 2008 version, covering happenings in 2006 and 2007. It has the PWI 500, stats on wrestlers, top 10 news stories, recap of the year, title histories and PPV histories up until that year. If someone is in need of a reliable source I can help provide page numbers etc. to help out. MPJ-DK ( talk) 02:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Carly Colón, an article that the project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 14:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Just wanting some clarification on All Caps usage. I've read the Wiki guide but I see so much inconsistency on wrestling articles that I'm not sure what I correct.
Am I correct in thinking wrestlers, tag teams, stables, promotions, etc. that use all caps should not be shown like that. For example, Taru instead of TARU, Voodoo Murders instead of VOODOO MURDERS and Freedoms instead of FREEDOMS. The exception being anachronisms such as AJPW. 03Heat ( talk) 13:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Please see WP:Teahouse#professional_wrestlers where an editor asked about article content. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 09:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Since people voted for change the name of Otis'article, I wanted to do the same with his partner, Tucker Knight and change it to Tucker (wrestler). I think it's the same case and even was mentioned in the discussion. However, there is another wrestler, Tucker (wrestler). Do you have any idea? Using Tucker (American wrestler) and Tucker (British wrestler) maybe? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 17:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
In the articles I've looked at lately, it looks like all of the Slam! sources are no longer working. This has been one of the most important reliable sources for wrestling articles. Unfortunately, it also looks like many of the articles and biographies are excluded from the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. I have been finding some success with archive.fo. It can't replace everything, but it's a start. For example, on the Over the Edge (1999) article, I found archived versions for 6 of the 8 references. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
profightdb.com is listed on WP:PW/RS as limited reliability only for match results. In edits such as [5] it is being used to say which day which matches happened for WrestleMania. I have not seen anywhere else reliable claim what happened which day. Is this reliable for this? - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 13:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Not trying to make wrestling “real”, but we’re also not trying to fixate on the fictional part of it either. Just because the matches are predetermined doesn’t mean pro wrestling should be compared to all other forms of fiction. Like I said, professional wrestling is a unique form of sports entertainment that is unlike any other business in the world and should be treated as such without trying to lump it in with movies, sitcoms, dramas and whatnot. We already do acknowledge the dates that WWE recognizes, that’s why we have 2 seperate columns, one for the date a title change took place and one for the date that WWE recognizes. OldSkool01 ( talk) 04:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
People are conflating two different terms here. Reliable means that it is written by experts, such as (to simplify the matter) a staff that has gone through an application process or someone who has otherwise proven himself or herself to be an expert. Examples include people who have been in the business for a long time and have been recognized by others in the industry as an expert. Accurate means that the thing reported actually happened as the writer says. For inclusion on Wikipedia, the source should pass the first test. Is it a reliable source? The question of accuracy is secondary. Reliable sources can report inaccurate information. Accurate sources may not pass the reliability test. Arguing about whether a source is reliable based on the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of a report shows a misunderstanding of one of Wikipedia's most important guidelines. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 13:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I need some opinion on an issue. New Zealand Wide Pro Wrestling has closed since the owner retired earlier this year. I made edits to the page but another user continues to revert all of my edits. I have searched and have found some evidence that the promotion is defunct. I would like some help and a consensus to be reached. Please can you do some more research and make a decision?
The promotion was operated by Martin Stirling and He Toa Sports Incorporated. The promotion has been closed since 2018 and has not held any events since then. Cagematch shows correctly that it closed in 2018 [1] So does this site, [2] The website nzwpw.com and its Facebook page was closed in 2018. No more content has been posted on the promotion's Twitter page since 2018 [3] Also the contact page of the development version of the now closed NZWPW website [4] You will see it was part of He Toa Sports which is now closed. Please visit nzwpw.com in the Web Archive to see this. It shows the parent is He Toa Sports which is now closed. As reported by Maori Television, the He Toa Sports training school was closed in 2015. [5] He Toa Sports Incorporated was officially dissolved on 28 February 2020 [6] Socks 01 ( talk) 02:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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I know Wikipedia doesn't censor spoilers but out of courtesy I'm going to give you all fair warnings for spoilers for Pt 2 of Great American Bash. Stop reading here if you want to avoid spoilers.
That out of the way, you might have seen that a leak has revealed that Keith Lee will win the NXT championship on night 2 of GAB, to be broadcast on 8th July. This change has been made on several articles already, such as Lee's article, the NXT title page, and the list of NXT champions page. I have reverted these based on the fact that leaks would not be considered reliable sources: firstly, the "leak" in question is far from confirmation: it is a (grainy) photo of Lee appearing to celebrate, but holds no official statement of Lee's victory. Secondly, unconfirmed leaks would conflict with WP:RUMOUR in that this is not verifiable. Similarly we shouldn't be making changes in anticipation for his victory, as per WP:CRYSTALBALL. Finally, as per other title pages, Lee's title reign is only official when it actually becomes official (i.e., when the show is broadcast and WWE lists it on their site).
I'm posting this here on the Wikiproject page out of anticipation that we'll need to keep a close eye on these articles over the coming days as I expect edit warring to take place. — Czello 15:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
I already posted this question on the talk page, but yet to receive an answer, so I'll ask here. Since WWE officially bought Evolve, should we add Evolve's championships to the List of current champions in WWE page or wait until WWE use the Evolve brand in an official capacity?-- Keith Okamoto ( talk) 15:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed that an IP added fake match times back in December 2012. I fixed the times for one event, and I can work away at the others. If anyone wants to help, please feel free. There's no actual source given for match times, but I went with Pro Wrestling History (prowrestlinghistory.com), as it's definitely better than the fake times (one match I looked at was listed as 12 minutes when it was actually less than 3). GaryColemanFan ( talk) 21:52, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello I am in the middle of a dispute with Dilbaggg ( talk · contribs) who refuses to allow me to edit sections on "The Reality Era" article as well as the History of WWE for the Reality Era as well. I have three reputable sources, TWO of which are from WWE themselves, one that states point blank that the timeframe for this era is 2014-2016. However this user is using their own personal views and opinions by going with a 2013-2016 timeframe which is incorrect. So incorrect that again, WWE themselves disagree as you will see below. Dilbaggg's source pointing to the Reality Era beginning in 2013 is a fanmade poster photo from DeviantArt that says "2013-2016". I find this absurd. If someone can please assist it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
68.196.72.173 ( talk) 23:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Cheers. Dilbaggg ( talk) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Triple H's exact quotes from the video:
"Maybe I start the Reality Era" "Maybe as of right now this moment this is the beginning of the Reality Era"
And it was. And eventually years later WWE apparently labeled 2014 in general as the start of the era as seen in my first source.
And continuing on, the Sportster isn't a reliable source but grantland, thechairshot.com(a random guy saying something in a podcast?) and 411mania are? Not to mention they all supersede WWE themselves? And with regards to the the 411Mania source, they too imply that the beginning was 2014 with Triple H's statement from 3/24/14, not 2013. And you're right TV ratings don't determine era's and WWE wasn't the 'PG Era' prior to 1997 but that is completely irrelevant here besides the point as WWE has called it the PG Era multiple times - Once in that poll, and two others from WWE superstars themselves that I know of- Triple H in his "Thy Kingdom Come" documentary and Natalya on her "Table for 3" episode. I am perfectly fine with keeping your 2013 background on the Reality Era but as far as the REAL timeframe goes the official timeframe is 2014-2016. It's like other era's too. In late 1992 when WWE slowly began heading in a different direction with new stars such as Bret, Shawn and Razor but the New Generation didn't go into full swing until mid 93 or so. 68.196.72.173 ( talk) 02:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I will list the Triple H 3/24/14 youtube video quotes again for you:
"Maybe I start the Reality Era"... "Maybe as of right now this moment this is the beginning of the Reality Era"
There are no other sources but there doesn't need to be any other sources as again, for the last time now, and as mentioned above, anything from WWE themselves trumps these other secondary sources. Not to mention there are several secondary sources we have seen that show 2014-2016 as well. Your own personal opinion of this is getting in the way, and believe me I can understand that sometimes. As an example I 100% feel that the ECW Championship should not count as a world championship at all but because WWE notes it as such in areas of their website, Wikipedia counts it as one and I had to accept it. With this topic though, even without the WWE source, I know as a huge WWE fan myself that the real Reality Era was in fact 2014-2016, even if there were some signs and shades of it beforehand. WWE was still very much PG Era-ish through 2013.
Side notes: Bringing up the Universe Era/PG Era discussion is irrelevant here, but regardless, WWE does not cite it as the Universe Era, officially. Visual Concepts, the makers of the WWE2K14 game, does. I'm sure they got some sort of permission from WWE to use that name for the game as it may sound better, but ultimately, PG Era has been accepted by WWE and an overwhelming majority of it's fans.
68.196.72.173 ( talk) 13:29, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, thanks, but I will change it on the actual Reality Era article. If you can please note this on the 'History of WWE' talk section so I can be permitted to clean that up as well that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.72.173 ( talk) 12:35, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you 68.196.72.173 ( talk) 14:16, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I have to ask: why do we care? Seriously, a two year or so period of relative insignificance in the history of the company doesn't need to be significantly defined by their attempt (and failure) to brand it with a buzzword name (after that buzzword had already lost any broader pop culture significance, I might add). In short, we don't need to parrot WWE marketing speak every article. It fails NPOV, frankly, and gives undue weight to the company's self-promotion. oknazevad ( talk) 14:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
As it's tangentially related to the above debate, you should all know that I've nominated the standalone article for deletion as it's largely a duplication of what's on the History of WWE article. You can participate in the AfD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reality Era. — Czello 06:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
But there is a difference and WWE does define these eras as seen below. WWE also made a big push for the "New Era" following WM32.
Hi everybody. So, I was looking at the Glossary of professional wrestling terms talk page a couple days ago, and I saw someone suggesting an article be written on ribbing in wrestling. The comment was years old, but I thought it seemed like a good idea, so I wrote one. It's in my Sandbox if you want to read it. It turns out that there was once an article on ribbing, but User:Nikki311 changed it to a redirect to the Glossary I already linked. That was years ago, too. This is the first article I've written, so I would hope it passes AfD, but I'd like it to at least get a chance, because I think 9 words in a glossary is way less than what this could be. I left a comment about this on Nikki311's Talk Page, but haven't heard back, and it doesn't seem that she's the easiest person to get a reply from. Does anyone have any advice on what I should do? "Yes... It's Raining" 21:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Trying to develop a community consensus on these and a few other dubious sources. Please weigh in on the discussion here. Thanks. Dory Funk ( talk) 16:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Earlier this year, we discussed swapping some of entries for Pro Wrestling vital articles. Since then, they have increased the number of slots we have to fill. That mans Giant Baba and Mildred Burke, who we discussed adding, are now there. Others like Savage, Cena, Bret Hart, Benoit and The Undertaker, who we discussed removing, are probably safe. They gave us even more slots, and those were filled by Chyna, Jerry Lawler and Stu Hart. These were not names we discussed last time this topic came up. Should their places go to others we discussed, like Mil Mascaras or Blue Demon? LM2000 ( talk) 20:45, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@
LM2000,
HHH Pedrigree,
Lee Vilenski, and
InedibleHulk: - (1) I'd put
Blue Demon in over Jerry Lawler, as Blue was more prominent in his country than Lawler, and Blue is definitely above Mascaras. (2) Chyna definitely shouldn't be on there, if you want to keep having a woman there, I'd propose
Manami Toyota, named by the Washington Post
[7] as perhaps the greatest female wrestler of all time
. Dave Meltzer
[8] concurred on Toyota, may have been the greatest woman wrestler of all-time
... one of the first generation of women stars respected by the male wrestling fans
, on a par if not superior to any male pro wrestler of the 1990s as far as athleticism and garnering a reaction from fans
. If not a woman, but keeping it WWE-centric, I'd have
Rey Mysterio, arguably the greatest of all time to wear a mask
according to PWTorch, arguably the most famous masked wrestler to ever perform in modern-day professional wrestling
according to Sports Illustrated, and who is also the most influential wrestler on this generation of wrestlers (and it's not even close
), according to Meltzer.
[9] Not sure about Stu Hart. To accommodate all three of the above, I'd take out Roddy Piper, who has never even won a top WWF or WCW title.
starship
.paint (
talk) 11:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
I suggest removing Chyna, Lawler, and Benoit. Possible replacements are Blue Demon, Mil Mascaras, Triple H, The Rock. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:48, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
InedibleHulk - add your own name to the list where needed. I can't tell when you were serious above. @ HHH Pedrigree, LM2000, and Lee Vilenski: - we need to hear from you who to remove. I'm sure we won't be removing/adding anyone with just one vote. For every person you vote to add, please vote to add one person to remove. starship .paint ( talk) 04:21, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys, I went over to read Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5#Introduction and there are some rules for changing articles. It turns out that you'll need to vote over there as well (at least four votes to make a change). From the above, it's clear that Lawler and Chyna have the most removal votes, so I nominated them already. Blue Demon has the most add votes, so I nominated him, the rest is currently a tie, but since we nominated to remove Chyna, I have nominated Toyota, who is also female. I haven't done any other nomination because the third addition/removal is not so clear, and in any case, it wouldn't be easy to nominate someone I personally did not support. Things for us to do:
@ HHH Pedrigree, InedibleHulk, GaryColemanFan, and LM2000: starship .paint ( talk) 14:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Lee Vilenski: - your two removal votes are yet to be in. starship .paint ( talk) 14:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I'll tag GuzzyG here, who recently posted on the other page and may be unaware of this discussion. LM2000 ( talk) 16:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
In light of the recent event with Sonya Deville, I would suggest that we cease using the "resides" field in professional wrestling biographical articles to avoid publicising this information. Thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 18:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I just want to double check something so I'm not barking up the wrong tree. You guys only like stuff when it comes to factions or stables to be what is reflected on screen right? I've been battling a bunch of IP accounts who keep adding some Twitch streamers to The Dark Order because Evil Uno made them "members" as part of a charity stream. -- MattBinYYC ( talk) 22:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I have seen two different dates for Steve Corino's debut. The one on the article which is April 6, 1994 and the one on Cagematch which is April 6, 1995. Regardless of that, he is listed as having won the WWC Puerto Rico Championship on December 2, 1992 when he defeated Miguel Pérez, Jr. in a tournament final to win the vacant title. So how could Corino win the title when he wasn't even in wrestling at that time? This needs to corrected. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I have one question. Do we have a policy or suggestion about pictures in championships articles? I'm saying this because, during the last months, I have seen several edition about this. I have readed our Style Guide but I can't find anything, so I was thinking to write a list with suggestions. For example, I have seen a picture of Jericho 10 years ago as WHC and Ambrose under the Shield attire as US Champ to illustrate the AEW World Championship, which I think is wrong (wrong title, wrong gimmick and picture to old). I would recomend these pictures. 1, Ideal picture, the champ with the title. 2, current picture of the champ (or when the reign took place, a picture of 2011 for a 2011 reign). 3, old picture of the champ. Suggestion, try to avoid pictures with other titles. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello I'm bringing this topic forward in hopes of figuring out a solution. At Rebellion (2020), Moose declared himself the TNA World Heavyweight Champion since Tessa Blanchard couldn't defend her World Championship. Since then the title has been used on television but still hasn't been announced as an "Official" championship in Impact Wrestling and is being used as a separate belt different from Impact's World Championship. And for that reason I found that under these circumstances Moose's TNA World Heavyweight Championship reign would fall under the Category:Unsanctioned championships so for that reason I placed the category under the TNA World Heavyweight Championship page and since then User:Oknazevad has been telling me the belt is sanctioned and is official but due to the way the belt is being used on television i have been disagreeing with his statements. Hopefully a resolution can be found now. Eerie Holiday ( talk) 18:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Noticed this while adding an entry to the recent deaths page. I'm seeing several social media posts stating that Jerry Brown died on September 15 and we're still pretending he's not notable, despite being the senior member of one of the top tag teams during an entire decade. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
In the CZW Wired Championship article, I had to fix the date format in the references. Since CZW is an American promotion, MDY date format (month, day, year) is always to be used. Other countries my use both MDY or DMY date format while they may use only DMY date format. Not sure if it's necessary to be put in the style guide or wherever. But we should be mindful of the country the promotion, title, people in the business are from. Even if a promotion does a show in another country, you still have use the correct date format based on the country the promotion is from. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 07:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I disagree completely. According to Wikipedia:Citing sources, "While citations should aim to provide the information listed above, Wikipedia does not have a single house style, though citations within any given article should follow a consistent style. A number of citation styles exist including those described in the Wikipedia articles for Citation, APA style, ASA style, MLA style, The Chicago Manual of Style, Author-date referencing, the Vancouver system and Bluebook....Although nearly any consistent style may be used, avoid all-numeric date formats other than YYYY-MM-DD, because of the ambiguity concerning which number is the month and which the day." It also states: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. The arbitration committee ruled in 2006: 'Wikipedia does not mandate styles in many different areas; these include (but are not limited to) American vs. British spelling, date formats, and citation style. Where Wikipedia does not mandate a specific style, editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style, nor should they edit articles for the sole purpose of converting them to their preferred style, or removing examples of, or references to, styles which they dislike.'" These make it pretty clear that we should not make large-scale changes to existing articles. I use 2020-09-19 if I'm creating a new article. As long as there is consistency within each article, there is no need for consistency between articles. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 20:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I have created th draft List of championships used in WWE to cover both active and inactive titles (as well as other championships used by WWE) since there is currently no such list. ★Trekker ( talk) 02:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I see that DDT and all the titles they recognize, the lists have defenses tracked. As we all know or should know, we only track them if the promotion does. I'm am wondering if DDT actually tracks them. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 01:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I have one question about the NXT Title, again. Recently, after a discussion, the World title label was removed from the article. I read the article and saw one sentence "It is one of WWE's top three titles, alongside the WWE Championship on Raw and the WWE Universal Championship on SmackDown ". This stencence says NXT title is more important than IC and USA (Secondary titles of the main roster/ bigger brands) and equal to World Titles (WWE and Universal). This statement needs a source. Vjmlhds give me a video when Triple H talked about Survivor Series, but 1) Falls into wp:publicity (every promotion is the best in the world, but needs a source) 2) HHH just said a NXT vs WWE vs Universal champion was pitched. 3) Drew McIntyre said, before his match against lesnar, he never won a World Tile. So, hard to say NXT Championship is one of WWE's top titles. It's NXT top title for male wrestlers, but the whole WWE, need more sources. What do you think? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 22:10, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
HHH Pedrigree All I did was point out that sometimes, relying on an outside source REALLY ISN'T better than seeing what's right in front of you. If we took Wiki policy into the real world, we'd all be sitting in torched houses (ourselves burned to a crisp) because we'd want outside verification to tell us that OUR FREAKING HOUSE IS ON FIRE. Long story short, sometimes the primary source IS the best option. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:46, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I can't help but to imagine using Wiki logic in the real world citation needed -- a guy talks to his neighbor, and says "I just saw a guy getting shot in front of my house". The neighbor says "Did you call the police?" The guy then says "No, because I needed additional verification from a third party source." Vjmlhds (talk) 14:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Completely agree with HHH Pedrigree and Oknazevad in this. WWE has a tendency to try to control the narrative, and so to be NPoV it's only right we base this on third party sources as per WP:IS. — Czello 13:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
NXT is now one of WWE's three main brandswhere was this established again? MPJ-DK ( talk) 16:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
There's too much original research going on here; conclusions are being drawn, like "Because of WWE say NXT is no longer developmental, it means the NXT title is one of their top 3". Or that WWE are "obviously implying" something, which is rubbish. That's not how we do things. Here's what it comes down to: is there a reliable source that explicitly says that the NXT title is one of their top 3 titles? If there isn't, we can't include it. — Czello 07:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone,
I'm seeking consensus here, otherwise I might be punished later when I bring this matter to the administrator's noticeboards.
Hope this post settles the present edit war in
Hartley Jackson and
The Mighty Don't Kneel, but I suspect it won't.
The thing is,
Hartley Jackson recently went through an
AfD that arose a lengthy of discussion.
Jammo85 had asked me for assistance in find sources to a certain fact, and I did find sources, but we are still facing opposition from another user in
Hartley Jackson and
The Mighty Don't Kneel (TMDK).
We would like to state "Hartley Jackson was part of The Mighty Don't Kneel in 2015 and 2016."
I have found two sources from websites of official pro wrestling events (they are archived, please give it a few minutes to load):
and Hartley appears on the TMDK side on both.
Also, there is also a listing of his appearances as TMDK here, which corroborates the above:
but this website is listed in one unofficial list of reliable sources as being Marginally reliable. Strictly used for match results and not other information. Takes user submissions but is reviewed by regional editors that verify all submissions before they are added to the database. The other party uses this against us, but I actually think it supports us, as we are actually only using results here. That is, we are not using the blog posts produced in cagematch (see [11]).
Auxiliary sources are:
Do you guys think these sources back the statement "Hartley Jackson was part of The Mighty Don't Kneel in 2015 and 2016", or not?
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 19:03, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
The style guide currently reads "If the match ended in submission, disqualification, or countout, it should proceed the example above with: by [decision]. Do not proceed the example above for pinfall victories, as it is the default method of victory throughout professional wrestling." My view would be that we *should* include "by pinfall" where the victory was achieved by pinfall. The current approach assumes that the reader will know that pinfall is the "default" way of winning, which a casual reader may be unaware of. Why not make this clear? It's also more consistent. I don't see any downside to including the text "by pinfall" where applicable. Any thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 16:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The other day, I read an AFD which was closed as delete. One of the !voters remarked of the article in question, "Mostly in-universe discussion of fictive characters without any critical commentary or indication of real-world significance". This project has repeatedly failed to take heed of what the community at large thinks of its efforts. Looking over Jerry Lawler just now, I see a poster child for this. Does anyone really know what a biography is? Over and over, I read biography articles covered under this project which consist of an excessive amount of storyline trivia and treat the whole of the subject's life as an afterthought.
Just now, I read this story published by a RS. The story contains an abundance of details relevant to Lawler's life, details which have previously been published by other RS, yet have been kept out of the article for many years, for seemingly no reason other than their lack of relevance to the WWE or to storylines. Since I last read this article, someone inserted the following:
Early life
Lawler was born in Memphis, Tennessee.[5]
Yes, that's the entire section. Can you say "turd polish"? Good, I knew you could. From there, it jumps to mentioning the West Memphis outlaw mud show promoter (leaving out over twenty years of his life, including moving to Ohio and back to Memphis, graduating from high school, his early career which found him in the public eye for the first time), yet the RS I link to above avoids acknowledging that. That RS does mention Lance Russell and Jackie Fargo and Eddie Bond, just like so many other sources do. The documentation on reliable sources counsels against giving undue weight to fringe minority sources. Could it be that Slam Wrestling is a fringe minority source in this case? I realize some of you may not be equipped to handle that opinion. I also realize that some of you would be falling all over yourselves to turn this into a real article if it were an easy GA hat for you to collect. I believe the significance of the article to the project should take precedence over that sort of nonsense. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I did some updates to the UWN Tag Team Championship article. I updated the infobox, combined reigns, and the title history section to reflect the current champions since it was outdated. Now, I can't figure out why the table for the history is not showing up as correctly formatted for the current champions. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. To my admission, I don't use the table for title histories which I should. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 15:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Category:PWFP has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.
-- 67.70.32.97 ( talk) 04:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC) There hasn't been a vote of comment since October 7. The consensus is in support renaming of the main category and moving sub-cats and articles to it. Closing the discussion is best at this point. It is unlikely anybody else will chime in the discussion. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I have just completed a major update of the article on Ventura Tenario, a.k.a. Chief Little Wolf. Given my level of unfamiliarity with professional wrestling archives, etc., I have reached a dead-end in relation to one matter, and was hoping that somebody can help.
On page 35 of York, Barry, "Big Chief Little Wolf: Wrestling, Radio and Folklore in Australia", Journal of Australian Studies, Vol.22, No.58, (January 1998), pp.29-37, Australian National University Research Fellow, Barry York, writes: "There is no doubt the Chief was excellent at what he did. In 1974, he was inducted into New York's Wrestling Hall of Fame. He is still regarded by wrestling fans as the master of the Indian Deathlock, a technically difficult hold to apply."
I was hoping that someone could help me to identify (a) the correct designation for "New York's Wrestling Hall of Fame", (b) the date upon which the "1974" induction took place, and (c) a reference that I could cite in support of this induction (e.g., newspaper, magazine, newsletter, press statement, etc.), rather than just citing York's article (within which York does not cite a source for his statement). Thanks Lindsay658 ( talk) 17:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
LM2000 Thanks ever so much for your advice. I have done as you suggested. Lindsay658 ( talk) 19:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
User Buidhe started a Good Article reassessment on Triple H. I will try to fix the problems, but maybe some user want to help me with other problems. HHH was nominated 13 years ago, so maybe a in -deep review is needed. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Looking for clarification. It to do with the naming convention of the "Superstar" Billy Graham.. Now, for the most part we don't put nicknames in the title. Danny Davis is another matter since there were two wrestlers who used Danny Davis as their ring name. Outside of certain circumstances like that, we would put wrestler in parenthesis in the article title. I checked the style guide and there is nothing saying that isn't allowed. But it is generally accepted that nicknames are not put in article titles outside of that example stated. I did look in the archives and there was a consensus to move it to what it is now. Someone made the case, such as I said about not putting nicknames in article titles. Even Steven Austin's article could be moved to Steven Austin (wrestler) if a consensus were to be reached. We wouldn't move Randy Savages article to Macho Man Randy Savage. So it was redundant to move Billy Graham to Superstar Billy Graham. The adage of leaving well enough alone in terms of the Billy Graham article prior to the move applies. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
A recent discussion has flagged that the definition of "debut" in Template:Infobox professional wrestler is slightly ambiguous. The definition currently reads "Date or year of professional debut". I would suggest rewording this as follows: "The date (or year if the exact date is unavailable) when the wrestler made their professional debut, i.e. wrestled their first match." Any thoughts welcome. McPhail ( talk) 10:45, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Do inconsequential AEW Dark matches fail
WP:PW/BIO, which states that editors should refrain from writing in
proseline ("week-by-week" format)
?
KyleJoan
talk 03:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Popcornfud seems to believe wrestler nicknames and ringnames should both use a lowercase "the" and lose the quotation marks, per a guideline in the general Manual of Style. I suggested to him our style guide explicitly addressed how it works in wrestling, but I was wrong, it doesn't. I still believe there's an implicit unwritten rule, based on the decades of near-universal usage by the promotions and those who write about them. See Dwayne Johnson and Rick Martel for how wrong it looks in practice, then decide whether we should adopt this newfangled idea to the hundreds of other longstanding gimmicks on Wikipedia, or leave well enough alone. InedibleHulk ( talk) 22:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Just notifying Popcornfud again, screwed up the first time. InedibleHulk ( talk) 22:10, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
A leading "the" is not capitalized in a nickname, pseudonym, or other alias.I believe this is pretty cut and dry, and this is exactly why we are supposed to have this policy, to settle debates like this.
When you call Martel the Model, it suggests he was just plain billed as "Model",
Hi. I have one question. Since the WWE Hall of Fame 2020 was postponed until 2021, should we change the name of the article to WWE Hall of Fame 2021? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 18:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
We have the template template:Professional wrestling profiles which pulls the relevant pages from the Cagematch, Wrestlingdata, and Internet Wrestling Database databases for wrestlers. Could we do something similar for events, e.g. if the template was added to the WrestleMania X page it would link to the pages on the above websites? I have no idea how to create a template of this nature but just thought it could be an interesting idea. McPhail ( talk) 11:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Check the page revision history and my message on User talk:Dory Funk. I have repeatedly requested them to refrain from removing WP:RS and seek Wp:RfC, but they just continue the vandalism. i would respect the decision by senior editors at WP:PW., if they go along with this then its fine. The similar edit pattern of User:ItsKesha and User:Dory Funk on both articles is pretty suspicious. Dilbaggg ( talk) 13:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Garbage report. I removed material from The Undertaker I felt was WP:CRUFT; Dilbaggg reverted my edit (fair enough). When another user sided with me, he flew into a juvenile rage with all sorts of allegations spewing forth. ItsKesha is largely focused on soccer, something I've never even watched, let alone edited about here. Dory Funk ( talk) 13:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
see ya indeed eh socks Dory Funk, ItsKesha, now I am confused if i should take it to SPI or just go to AIV, even if I dont someone with a mop will eventually do it, seee ya indeed. Dilbaggg ( talk) 13:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Stop your disruptibve editing on The Undertaker deleting WP:RS contents. You only joined in 2020, you can not delete things based on personal views. Just because an individual user feels it needs to be cut and feels that it is not notable doesn't make it so, this list has been there since I first started viewing wikipedia since 2008 (though I started editing as a registered user from 2019), seek consensus before making such change, there are senior users on Wp:PW from at least 2005 who have more say tin the matter than you, it complies with WP:RS and all other guidelines and demonstrates that Taker had the highest victories at WM (considered the Superbowl of Wrestling) and the Streak has been one of the most prominent features in Wrestling history, and even after its demise Taker's highest number of victories is worth mentioning until someone surpasses this record. Seek WP:RfC and avoid deleting based on personal views. Moreover refrain from removing widely accepted Wp:RS contents which is definitely disruptive editing. Please do not start a WP:EW over it. Regards. Dilbaggg ( talk) 09:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)" |
One might think that your sockpuppetry claims are an effort to pre-empt allegations that you are also User:Gorrrillla5, the account whose additions you are going to great lengths to protect. I haven't yet made that allegation myself. Dory Funk ( talk) 14:28, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
As the user Dilbag hasn't made any attempt whatsoever to even begin a discussion on whatever his bollocks complaint is, I have taken it upon myself to begin one. ItsKesha ( talk) 14:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Recent edits on WWE Music Group discography appears to be Wikipedia:Gaming the system by ItsKesha, removing all WP:RS, leaving a sourceless list, but as I am not attached to this article, I won't bother with it and it is upto the senior editors to decide, just letting them know if they feel like checking out, otherwise its fine. Dilbaggg ( talk) 18:12, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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User talk:ItsKesha, um what is a wrong dude, why are you removing
WP:RS from
The New Era (WWE), and please do not give over linking excuse, over linking is when you use multiple (more than three sources) to reference a line, sometimes a single source is not valid enough "like when people say an event is well received, just reference to one review is not sufficient. (Also sources like post-2013 bleacher report are usable per
WP:PW/RS and primary sources like wwe.com are usable as long as they are not being used for "promotional purpose", and not all usable sources needs to be part of
WP:PW/RS, other
WP:RS can be used as long as they are not listed unreliable in
WP:PW/RS. So please stop removing
WP:RS as it is sort of disruptive editing, but I will assume
WP:AGF and hope you are not
Wikipedia:Gaming the system which is kinda what it seems on
WWE Music Group discography. Wish you well.
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talk) 17:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting help in further improving the quality of this brilliant article to make it suitable for GA nomination. It is sufficiently well sourced, neutral and well written article and a hot topic in modern day Professional Wrestling World. It has way more credibility than the short lived and less impactful and poorly sourced TNA Impact!'s move to Monday nights which still got GA nominated. The Wednesday Night Wars and the rise of AEW as the first serious competitor to WWE since WCW is perhaps the most significant thing in the modern pro wrestling world, this fact is acknowledged even in the TNA Impact!'s move to Monday nights and the original Monday Night Wars with fitting WP:V. Also this article demonstrates genuine neutrality when comparing AEW and NXT and is created based on sufficient and credible WP:RS and WP:V. So yeah I feel this article should be GA nominated. Dilbaggg ( talk) 16:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't intend this to be negative, or a slight on anybody who has put in effort on these articles, but I don't understand the point of articles titled "list of BLA BLA BLA special episodes". Beyond the episodes being on at a different time, or on a different day, or having a theme, or a 55 year old referee debuting, 99% of these special episodes are not remotely special. Oh, a scripted general manager was filmed spinning a wheel to make a scripted match? Fantastic. The episode was the 700th episode? So what, 700 isn't a special number!
If anyone can help improve the sourcing for Kevin Greene (American football) regarding his WCW tenure, I would appreciate it. There are many wrestling-specific sources out there and I have no idea about the reliability of any of them. Thanks. – Muboshgu ( talk) 18:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
This wrestling legend passed away yesterday. I've added a couple of references, and the article looks like it's close to ready for RD--just a few more references needed. If anyone has some time, it would be great to see this posted on the main page. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 17:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Clearly this event never happened, even if there was no formal announcement of a cancellation. We have three days left in 2020 (yay!). And also clearly that any previously announced matches for this cancelled event are off (especially anything to do with Scurill in ROH, as he's no longer even listed on their roster page). So what do we do with this article? It was a marginally notable internet PPV to start with, but even if we decide to keep a separate article (instead of overhauling it for the 2021 edition, presuming that actually happens) it still needs a total rewrite as it is woefully outdated and still written as though there's a chance this event could happen in 2020. oknazevad ( talk) 15:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Why on earth does any American wrestler have a Luchas de Apuestas record? If this is inexplicably included for an American wrestler, why not have their Hell in a Cell history as well? Buried Alive or inferno? Why not have their history at WrestleMania or Slammiversary or Starrcade too? Their Royal Rumble record, or their history in an Elimination Chamber? Masks are huge part of Mexican wrestling, and mask removals are major parts of a lucha libre's career. But in British wrestling it's not a huge deal, nor in American wrestling, or in Japan, or Germany, or Canada. The part about "luchas de apuestas" is literally just a subsection of an article titled "Lucha Libre". Kendo Nagasaki wasn't a luchador, Kane wasn't a luchador. Kurt Angle and Edge, who had a hair versus hair match because Angle was losing his hair, weren't. Big Van Vader, who took his mask off countless times during his matches, definitely wasn't. ItsKesha ( talk) 19:13, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
The consensus, based on discussions within the project, is to include LdA records. Anyone wanting to change this would need to establish a new consensus. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 15:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Would appreciate some actual input on this, rather than completely unnecessary stonewalling. Just why is this thing deemed so important as to include it on all articles, regardless of cultural importance or lack thereof? ItsKesha ( talk) 11:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
NXT India, currently a redirect to NXT (WWE brand) has been nominated for deletion at RfD. Input from those familiar with the topic area would be useful - please comment at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 7#NXT India. Thanks, Thryduulf ( talk) 21:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)