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Someone really needs to change the Attitude Era from WrestleMania X-Seven to WrestleMania X8. WrestleMania X8 was the last PPV to advertise the Attitude Era not X7. The logos were still around after X7, why is X7 listed as the end of the Attitude Era? LC6 12:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
What's the project's position on Championship Succession boxes? I'd be happy to add them to a whole bunch of people's pages (and have been adding them to new stub articles I've been creating, eg. Jaguar Yokota), but I have a couple questions. Firstly, I noticed the task of adding them is not on the Project To Do list, so are they desirable in the opinion of the project membership? And, secondly, should they be added for every championship a notable wrestler has won (even non-notable championships), or only the championships that have their own article already? And, while we're on the topic, I would personally like to add some dates to those boxes, perhaps the duration of the championship (eg. January 29, 1984 to April 1, 1988). What does everyone think? Geoffg 05:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
On the Gladys Gillem article, someone reverted my edit in which I removed the claim that she is the world's oldest professional wrestler (which was presented as fact on the page, and is just a publicity claim on her part). Just to avoid any unpleasentness, are there any wrestlers who are alive that were born before 1923? I know Mae Young and the Fabulous Moolah were also born in the same year, but anyone before that is still alive? Check the talk page of the Gladys Gillem article for more details. Thanks. Burgwerworldz 23:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone seen Steve Romero on WWE TV since Velocity was cancelled? Does anyone know what he is doing now? From The Holy Trinity of Sports Entertainment
On the Gene Okerlund page, it mentions about the trademark lawsuit he had about his fast food chain. I'm pretty sure that it was decided, and it was posted somewhere, so that should be updated by someone who's good at transcribing legal news. I think he lost, and he is appealing. Burgwerworldz 04:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I think we should try and create at least stubs for all the wrestlers on the PWI Years article, as if they are in the top 500, they are surely worthy of an article. I challenge you to name another fairly mainstream sport where any of the top 500 athletes in that sport have no article. It's ridiculous! King fish erswift 15:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm slightly confused - If I read any of the WWE or associated articles, they all basically start with a link to the professional wrestling page. That defines professional wrestling as a performing art. So why do all of the articles about WWE have places in the sports Category?
I have been discussing the matter over at the pump prior to coming here
-- Charlesknight 17:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a Sports entertainment category? surely that is the one that should be used?
-- Charlesknight 17:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
It already exists? Professional wrestling is within it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sports_entertainment
-- Charlesknight 17:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
-- What's a PPV? A sport does not have a pre-determined outcome - which is why the wikipedia page we have on Professional wrestling does not class it as a sport. That's why I find it odd that we have all the WWE pages linking to a page that *specific* states that it's not a sport yet we are using the sport categories. I think I'm going to draw up a policy proposal or something similar on the matter. -- Charlesknight 21:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Back in July we had a long discussion on page names and which pages should go where based on who owns the trademark etc. A part of that discussion was the revelation that Samoa Joe's fullname wasn't Joe Seanoa but Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, as per the trademark on his name. At the time Dubhagan e-mailed Joe to see his response to it.
I forgot about it until recently and after conversing with Dubhagan I found out he had never received a response from Joe and assumed it was because Joe doesn't want this information known.
Should the article list his real name as Nuufolau Joel (Joe) Seanoa (the name listed on the Samoa Joe trademark) or simply Joe Seanoa (the name he uses to refer to himself outside of wrestling)? --- Lid 00:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
A user at Talk:Powerbomb has brought up that Lou Thesz did not invent the powerbomb by accident and has said it existed for years as well as being done on purpose by Lou Thesz when it first occurred. I am not well versed in this subject so can someone come to the talk page with better knowledge than I take a look at the situation? --- Lid 07:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
If you check the history of the John Cena page you'll see that it gets targeted incredibly heavy, especially after and leading up to pay per views, sometimes getting straight vandalized up to 20 times in a day. The idea of asking for aome kind of permanent lock on the page which would only allow for a few trusted people to edit it when needed has been brought up on the talk page. How would the project feel about trying something like this out on some of the harder hit wrestling pages? I don't know how we'd decide who would be patrolling which pages, but that's a bridge to cross when we get to it should we decide to go that route, I think. - Bdve 05:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
We've been over this before back in April but it seems that enough time has passed that he's decided to start doing it again. I've reverted it for now but what should we be done? --- Lid 09:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest keeping a close watch on this article - WWE.com has posted notice of his contract release, and all of the markboards are abuzz with markish speculation. - Chadbryant 22:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know why this article needs to exist? Triple teams are a rarity in wrestling, excluding if we're talking about Dragon Gate and Lucha Libre, and then the team pages can easily cover the signature three man moves. --- Lid 06:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Can someone make the to-do list smaller? It's too big. I tried to clean it up, but the stuff I deleted was added back to it. Some of the long-term, on-going stuff can be put in the Strategy subpage or placed in the style guide. -- Jtalledo (talk) 12:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Um, I thought this page was only for the original ECW? Someone went and added WWE info for it, even though the current ECW wrestlers are actually under WWE contract, not ECW contracts. I think the current incarnation of ECW should be left out of it since it is not seperate from WWE like the original was. -- James Duggan 21:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a little edit war between RAMistheMAN and me at The Highlanders (professional wrestling). I don't think it's necessary to include week-by-week detail about their career, but Ram thinks it's necessary. -- Jtalledo (talk) 22:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
You think it'll be a good idea to be able to hide and show the Won from and Lost to lines? Msybe something like this? It looks a bit messy now but maybe if someone fixes up the code?
I've had a little play around and I came up with this:
The problem is that it means having to get rid of having the reigns in chronological order and quite a hefty bit of HTML (though I think templates could solve the latter). -- Oakster (Talk) 14:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[ [2]] [ [3]] Why were these even made? It's listcruft and useless trivia that doesn't belong here. Ring of Honor is a popular indy fed, but either way.. a list of title defenses certainly doesn't belong here. I put prods on all three, and I'll wait and see what happens. But they should just be AFD'd and then removed. RobJ1981 02:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Over five Diva Search contestant articles have been proposed for deletion over the past week. Personally, I oppose most of the deletions, but I'd like us to form a coherent policy on this. I think if we're going to delete the articles, we should merge contestant information into another page, be it WWE Diva Search or something like Minor contestants of the WWE Diva Search, I'm not sure. I just don't want to purge all the information we have here. Thoughts? - Umdunno 00:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Just read the edit history and the talk page. Tells the whole story. Tromboneguy0186 05:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
And this obviously impacts Rob Van Dam and John Layfield as well. We need a strict consensus and probably a semi-protect since this anon just won't quit. Tromboneguy0186 05:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Not only do we have alumni pages, but we also have alumni categories. I was thinking, do we really need both? If we can list the wrestlers in an alumni category, are the alumni pages really necessary? -- James Duggan 08:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
A few weeks ago, I asked if a mention and/or summary of every single defense of the ROH World Heavyweight Title was necessary on the entry's discussion page (unfortunately I had a brainfart and forgot to sign it). It seems that the suggestion has gone on deaf ears, as it didn't receive any response and users continue to update after every single title defense. Does including every title defense in that section constitute "week by week" updates? I'd be interested to see some feedback on this, as the last thing I want to do is to start a huge Edit War on that page and I'm still not quite 100% certain as to my stance on the issue (though I do think it's gotten out of hand). Deputy Marshall 10:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
His page is badly in need of an update and/or revision! Take a look and you will see what I mean! -- Smart Mark Greene 10:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to create a section in recent WrestleMania Articles about the changes on the DVD. Does anyone know of a website that outlines the differences? I had a couple of links but lost them in a hard drive crash. Kyros 21:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
The Tag team page is insane and I think we need to break it into at least three articles. One for tag teams in general (including the history) one for matches and another for all the titles that are on the bottom. I'll move the matches myself, I just want to make sure I'm not stepping on toes with it. - Bdve
Hey, folks. I'm just doing some page patrolling, and came across an article on Sam Hayne that has my notability sense flashing. (Mostly because the author is using that name to edit under, which makes the problem of vanity a major one.) I'm torn on whether to do a deletion process on this article (note that it was originally tagged with a speedy deletion tag, userfied by another person, and then restarted by the subject, who then removed a proposed deletion tag I hit it with), but wanted to look at just what level of notability you folks consider for guys who haven't made the big shows yet. Is this guy of a level where he should be included? If I'm asking the question, as a casual wrestling fan, others will certainly be asking it as well. Thanks. Tony Fox (arf!) 04:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
The same can be said for Menace 2 Society (wrestler). James Duggan 05:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Ultimate Wrestling Federation (UWF) and Bishop Steele should be deleted as well. They were created by User:Menace 2 Society(wrestler), who also created the Menace 2 Society(wrestler) article I mentioned earlier. James Duggan 05:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I hate to bring this up again so soon, but no one seemed to notice. I'm just asking for a consensus from WP:PW, and if I'm wrong, fine. Tromboneguy0186 08:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
You may want to consider semi-protection for this article. The anon WrestleCrappers has struck again! They are also targeting the Dennis Stamp article as well. I've already tagged them with the 3RR Warning. Duo02 *Shout here!** 17:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I made some incorrect reverts to this article, trying to maintain the stats at what they have been for a long time. I didn't notice the name change.( Halbared 17:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC))
User:Samgibbs, and his other IP have been causing me alot of hasstle lately due to me stopping him using wikipedia as a secondary homepage for his local wrestling promotion, RQW. I have been changing his edits on the page to fit with formatting and the look of a wrestling article and well as the tense as his version read like news post (which they are; see this change)... This has been goin on for almost six months with him gettin more and more angry.. yet i have tried to show him how to edit correctly and given pointers he seem now intent on leaving personal attacks on my user page which he useds as a talk page (because he doesnt seem to get that they are different things... you understand what im up against here) --- any help or advice would be appriciated --- Paulley
You may want to keep watch on the Dennis Stamp article. Several anon. editors may keep readding the "The Dennis Stamp Film Collection" section again. This is obviously Fancruft work. Thanks. Duo02 *Shout here!** 19:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
You guys should call for a temporary lock against the anon contribs. for this article. Duo02 *Shout here!** 14:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Is there a precedent for this that I need to know that keeps this article alive before I afd it as listcruft? --- Lid 12:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
ECW Born To Be Wired, ECW Double Tables, ECW Beer, Blood, Babes, and Barbed Wire, ECW When Worlds Collide, ECW The Night The Line Was Crossed, ECW Ultra Clash, ECW Enter The Sandman TJ Spyke 09:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
As a result of a discussion on notability above, I propose we, as a WikiProject, set some guidelines as to what makes a wrestler or promotion notable enough to be included here on Wikipedia. -- James Duggan 22:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
It looks like I'm gonna have problems with this user on the TNA roster page. He wants to delete all nicknames from that page and threatens to keep deleting when we revert back. I left him a message, but I just want to warn everyone. -- James Duggan 02:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
He might just be trying to make it like the WWE Roster Page BionicWilliam 03:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Quick summary: This article is up for Afd, in part because there are multiple articles about this individual including one about his wrestling career as Johnny Angel (wrestler). I just attempted to merge the wrestling article into the real name article per a growing consensus in the Afd (he's also a former member of the KKK and has, to me, a rather interesting bio.) In the course of doing this merge I found myself confused because I don't know a thing about pro wrestling. Mostly I'm having trouble distinguishing exactly what "belt" he holds and what wrestling organization awarded it. The orginal article is a bit hard to follow for a novice like myself. I'd love it if someone would give the original article a read, then check my section on Johnny Lee Clary to see if I transferred the info correctly. Thanks! Dina 13:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think he may be a sockpuppter, he may not be, but from some recent edits a few random IP's have been making I think it's possible. He is an admitted vandal (talk page) and used to liken himself to will on wheels. Here is one poss sockpuppet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:67.185.26.89 ( Halbared 22:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC))
A user (also a member of this project) keeps replacing the detailed information of the championship wins with just the amount of times each title was won on Triple H. -- Aaru Bui 22:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:ROH World Heavyweight Championship Tromboneguy0186 05:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
What is going on with this article?( Halbared 21:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC))
JB has changed his modus operandi and is now spamming citation needed tags through articles he himself has written. Examples can be found at [6] [7] (both articles done by JB in which he provided most of the material). JB tends to add numerous templates to articles when he doesn't get what he wants (see: 411mania, Extreme Warfare and Wrestling Spirit). Can an admin please intervene? This stuff has gone on for too long and he has shown no signs of stopping. –– Lid( Talk) 06:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
IMPORTANT JB196 has been indefblocked for violating WP:POINT, edit warring, trolling and insulting admins [8]. –– Lid( Talk) 05:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Here is a copy of the conversation on the Vic Grimes talk page between myself and bullet:
Bullet, what is your position, exactly? Please link to specific Wikipedia policies. My position is that I am "self-reverting" (allowed under WP:3RR) and that by reverting my self-edit, a case can be made that you are vandalizing this article. I also take great offense to your negative comments about my intent in editing Wikipedia. Please read WP:ASG for more info on the "Assume good faith" policy which you are clearly in violation of. JB196 02:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
"this is Wikipeida policy that is being enforced" - This is also my contention, so it IS my word against yours.
Again, for the umpteenth time, my edit is protected under WP:3RR and you have not offered any response otherwise. JB196 03:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
JB, why do you want to take credit for your edits? If anyone deserves credit, it's the sources that you got the info from. Read the Wikipedia policy WP:OWN. You contribute to Wikipedia, you're basically releasing your work to public domain. I have created and expanded several articles myself, yet I know it's pointless to take credit for it as anyone could have found that info elsewhere. James Duggan 03:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
We just can't get through to user JB196. He continues to revert the article, reducing its quality claiming that he is not credited as "The Author" in the article itself. The issue is being brought up here [9] help would be greatly appreciated. -- bulletproof 3:16 03:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
In fact JB your not reverting away your own work on the article your reverting away my edits and everyone else who contributed after you wrote the biography... infact i went through and rewrote most parts of your bio ( see edit history) meaning if i was selfish and didnt uderstand wiki i could consider it my work and tell you, you have no right to remove it... do you not uderstand that after something is contributed on wiki it can no longer be claimed as a users work... the biography section stay and if you dont like it dont edit again --- Paulley
User:Weatherman5000 started this article, but all he did was copy and paste the Shad Gaspard article there. TJ Spyke 05:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm having issues on the Layla El. I can not believe I have to bring this up anywhere but the talk page. TripleH1976 and I disagree on whether or not her SmackDown!debut should be added to the page. We argued (and reverted) to the point that we both got hit with 3RR warnings. I don't think it's worth dragging a Wiki Admin into it, but a few folk from here can weigh in on the talk page. - Bdve
Warriors of Wrestling was the AWF tv show that was in 95+96. The page here at Wikipedia is just a list of results: which is simply listcruft. I had a prod on it, but it was deleted by an editor because it's a TV show. But to put it simply...Wikipedia isn't a place to list wrestling results. Also results at the bottom of TNA Impact, should get a mass AFD. There is several pages of results for certain months for Impact. RobJ1981 16:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Located at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ECW Born To Be Wired. I voted to keep them all, I think all ECW events are notable enough for Wikipedia. VegaDark 10:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Why not all of them? How can some be notable and some not if "ROH is just an indy fed" ? Is there nothing about that company that we CAN keep? Tromboneguy0186 03:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC) I went ahead and put prods on the other show articles and I'm tempted to be a real dick and put one on [[Ring of Honor] Tromboneguy0186 04:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
How can you have it both ways? Either ROH is important or it's not.
Okay, so what's the litmus test? If a show is x, you'll allow it to stay, but if it's y, it must gooo?
There seems to be a problem with wrestlers on shows like iMPACT! and SmackDown of people putting results before they air, especially when there's a title change involved. I was thinking we can start putting a warning like we do for week by week targets kinda like this: <!--This wrestler is on a show that tapes before it airs. Although the results are made available in a myriad of locations, please do not add them here until the show airs either in the article or in "invisible text".-->
That language may need to be cleaned up a little bit, but it would help having to erase something 100 times between Wednesday morning and Friday night. - Bdve 03:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion, these really aren't needed. Take a look at Category:Total Nonstop Action Wrestling television programs. There are Impact results for several months. These aren't really needed. If someone could mass AFD them, that would be helpful. Using prods probably wont work, people usually remove them. RobJ1981 04:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I know you created the article and put it up for prod to make a point, but don't think everyone is against you. I know my reply seems like I thought you didn't know what the SOTF is but it's to show some of us do care about the indies. –– Lid( Talk) 06:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Again, why does it matter when those things happened if individual events aren't important enough for articles? Oh, and if I understood, do you think I'd still be asking all these questions? ;) Tromboneguy0186 07:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
Someone really needs to change the Attitude Era from WrestleMania X-Seven to WrestleMania X8. WrestleMania X8 was the last PPV to advertise the Attitude Era not X7. The logos were still around after X7, why is X7 listed as the end of the Attitude Era? LC6 12:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
What's the project's position on Championship Succession boxes? I'd be happy to add them to a whole bunch of people's pages (and have been adding them to new stub articles I've been creating, eg. Jaguar Yokota), but I have a couple questions. Firstly, I noticed the task of adding them is not on the Project To Do list, so are they desirable in the opinion of the project membership? And, secondly, should they be added for every championship a notable wrestler has won (even non-notable championships), or only the championships that have their own article already? And, while we're on the topic, I would personally like to add some dates to those boxes, perhaps the duration of the championship (eg. January 29, 1984 to April 1, 1988). What does everyone think? Geoffg 05:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
On the Gladys Gillem article, someone reverted my edit in which I removed the claim that she is the world's oldest professional wrestler (which was presented as fact on the page, and is just a publicity claim on her part). Just to avoid any unpleasentness, are there any wrestlers who are alive that were born before 1923? I know Mae Young and the Fabulous Moolah were also born in the same year, but anyone before that is still alive? Check the talk page of the Gladys Gillem article for more details. Thanks. Burgwerworldz 23:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone seen Steve Romero on WWE TV since Velocity was cancelled? Does anyone know what he is doing now? From The Holy Trinity of Sports Entertainment
On the Gene Okerlund page, it mentions about the trademark lawsuit he had about his fast food chain. I'm pretty sure that it was decided, and it was posted somewhere, so that should be updated by someone who's good at transcribing legal news. I think he lost, and he is appealing. Burgwerworldz 04:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I think we should try and create at least stubs for all the wrestlers on the PWI Years article, as if they are in the top 500, they are surely worthy of an article. I challenge you to name another fairly mainstream sport where any of the top 500 athletes in that sport have no article. It's ridiculous! King fish erswift 15:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm slightly confused - If I read any of the WWE or associated articles, they all basically start with a link to the professional wrestling page. That defines professional wrestling as a performing art. So why do all of the articles about WWE have places in the sports Category?
I have been discussing the matter over at the pump prior to coming here
-- Charlesknight 17:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a Sports entertainment category? surely that is the one that should be used?
-- Charlesknight 17:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
It already exists? Professional wrestling is within it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sports_entertainment
-- Charlesknight 17:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
-- What's a PPV? A sport does not have a pre-determined outcome - which is why the wikipedia page we have on Professional wrestling does not class it as a sport. That's why I find it odd that we have all the WWE pages linking to a page that *specific* states that it's not a sport yet we are using the sport categories. I think I'm going to draw up a policy proposal or something similar on the matter. -- Charlesknight 21:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Back in July we had a long discussion on page names and which pages should go where based on who owns the trademark etc. A part of that discussion was the revelation that Samoa Joe's fullname wasn't Joe Seanoa but Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, as per the trademark on his name. At the time Dubhagan e-mailed Joe to see his response to it.
I forgot about it until recently and after conversing with Dubhagan I found out he had never received a response from Joe and assumed it was because Joe doesn't want this information known.
Should the article list his real name as Nuufolau Joel (Joe) Seanoa (the name listed on the Samoa Joe trademark) or simply Joe Seanoa (the name he uses to refer to himself outside of wrestling)? --- Lid 00:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
A user at Talk:Powerbomb has brought up that Lou Thesz did not invent the powerbomb by accident and has said it existed for years as well as being done on purpose by Lou Thesz when it first occurred. I am not well versed in this subject so can someone come to the talk page with better knowledge than I take a look at the situation? --- Lid 07:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
If you check the history of the John Cena page you'll see that it gets targeted incredibly heavy, especially after and leading up to pay per views, sometimes getting straight vandalized up to 20 times in a day. The idea of asking for aome kind of permanent lock on the page which would only allow for a few trusted people to edit it when needed has been brought up on the talk page. How would the project feel about trying something like this out on some of the harder hit wrestling pages? I don't know how we'd decide who would be patrolling which pages, but that's a bridge to cross when we get to it should we decide to go that route, I think. - Bdve 05:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
We've been over this before back in April but it seems that enough time has passed that he's decided to start doing it again. I've reverted it for now but what should we be done? --- Lid 09:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest keeping a close watch on this article - WWE.com has posted notice of his contract release, and all of the markboards are abuzz with markish speculation. - Chadbryant 22:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know why this article needs to exist? Triple teams are a rarity in wrestling, excluding if we're talking about Dragon Gate and Lucha Libre, and then the team pages can easily cover the signature three man moves. --- Lid 06:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Can someone make the to-do list smaller? It's too big. I tried to clean it up, but the stuff I deleted was added back to it. Some of the long-term, on-going stuff can be put in the Strategy subpage or placed in the style guide. -- Jtalledo (talk) 12:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Um, I thought this page was only for the original ECW? Someone went and added WWE info for it, even though the current ECW wrestlers are actually under WWE contract, not ECW contracts. I think the current incarnation of ECW should be left out of it since it is not seperate from WWE like the original was. -- James Duggan 21:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a little edit war between RAMistheMAN and me at The Highlanders (professional wrestling). I don't think it's necessary to include week-by-week detail about their career, but Ram thinks it's necessary. -- Jtalledo (talk) 22:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
You think it'll be a good idea to be able to hide and show the Won from and Lost to lines? Msybe something like this? It looks a bit messy now but maybe if someone fixes up the code?
I've had a little play around and I came up with this:
The problem is that it means having to get rid of having the reigns in chronological order and quite a hefty bit of HTML (though I think templates could solve the latter). -- Oakster (Talk) 14:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[ [2]] [ [3]] Why were these even made? It's listcruft and useless trivia that doesn't belong here. Ring of Honor is a popular indy fed, but either way.. a list of title defenses certainly doesn't belong here. I put prods on all three, and I'll wait and see what happens. But they should just be AFD'd and then removed. RobJ1981 02:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Over five Diva Search contestant articles have been proposed for deletion over the past week. Personally, I oppose most of the deletions, but I'd like us to form a coherent policy on this. I think if we're going to delete the articles, we should merge contestant information into another page, be it WWE Diva Search or something like Minor contestants of the WWE Diva Search, I'm not sure. I just don't want to purge all the information we have here. Thoughts? - Umdunno 00:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Just read the edit history and the talk page. Tells the whole story. Tromboneguy0186 05:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
And this obviously impacts Rob Van Dam and John Layfield as well. We need a strict consensus and probably a semi-protect since this anon just won't quit. Tromboneguy0186 05:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Not only do we have alumni pages, but we also have alumni categories. I was thinking, do we really need both? If we can list the wrestlers in an alumni category, are the alumni pages really necessary? -- James Duggan 08:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
A few weeks ago, I asked if a mention and/or summary of every single defense of the ROH World Heavyweight Title was necessary on the entry's discussion page (unfortunately I had a brainfart and forgot to sign it). It seems that the suggestion has gone on deaf ears, as it didn't receive any response and users continue to update after every single title defense. Does including every title defense in that section constitute "week by week" updates? I'd be interested to see some feedback on this, as the last thing I want to do is to start a huge Edit War on that page and I'm still not quite 100% certain as to my stance on the issue (though I do think it's gotten out of hand). Deputy Marshall 10:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
His page is badly in need of an update and/or revision! Take a look and you will see what I mean! -- Smart Mark Greene 10:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to create a section in recent WrestleMania Articles about the changes on the DVD. Does anyone know of a website that outlines the differences? I had a couple of links but lost them in a hard drive crash. Kyros 21:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
The Tag team page is insane and I think we need to break it into at least three articles. One for tag teams in general (including the history) one for matches and another for all the titles that are on the bottom. I'll move the matches myself, I just want to make sure I'm not stepping on toes with it. - Bdve
Hey, folks. I'm just doing some page patrolling, and came across an article on Sam Hayne that has my notability sense flashing. (Mostly because the author is using that name to edit under, which makes the problem of vanity a major one.) I'm torn on whether to do a deletion process on this article (note that it was originally tagged with a speedy deletion tag, userfied by another person, and then restarted by the subject, who then removed a proposed deletion tag I hit it with), but wanted to look at just what level of notability you folks consider for guys who haven't made the big shows yet. Is this guy of a level where he should be included? If I'm asking the question, as a casual wrestling fan, others will certainly be asking it as well. Thanks. Tony Fox (arf!) 04:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
The same can be said for Menace 2 Society (wrestler). James Duggan 05:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Ultimate Wrestling Federation (UWF) and Bishop Steele should be deleted as well. They were created by User:Menace 2 Society(wrestler), who also created the Menace 2 Society(wrestler) article I mentioned earlier. James Duggan 05:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I hate to bring this up again so soon, but no one seemed to notice. I'm just asking for a consensus from WP:PW, and if I'm wrong, fine. Tromboneguy0186 08:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
You may want to consider semi-protection for this article. The anon WrestleCrappers has struck again! They are also targeting the Dennis Stamp article as well. I've already tagged them with the 3RR Warning. Duo02 *Shout here!** 17:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I made some incorrect reverts to this article, trying to maintain the stats at what they have been for a long time. I didn't notice the name change.( Halbared 17:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC))
User:Samgibbs, and his other IP have been causing me alot of hasstle lately due to me stopping him using wikipedia as a secondary homepage for his local wrestling promotion, RQW. I have been changing his edits on the page to fit with formatting and the look of a wrestling article and well as the tense as his version read like news post (which they are; see this change)... This has been goin on for almost six months with him gettin more and more angry.. yet i have tried to show him how to edit correctly and given pointers he seem now intent on leaving personal attacks on my user page which he useds as a talk page (because he doesnt seem to get that they are different things... you understand what im up against here) --- any help or advice would be appriciated --- Paulley
You may want to keep watch on the Dennis Stamp article. Several anon. editors may keep readding the "The Dennis Stamp Film Collection" section again. This is obviously Fancruft work. Thanks. Duo02 *Shout here!** 19:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
You guys should call for a temporary lock against the anon contribs. for this article. Duo02 *Shout here!** 14:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Is there a precedent for this that I need to know that keeps this article alive before I afd it as listcruft? --- Lid 12:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
ECW Born To Be Wired, ECW Double Tables, ECW Beer, Blood, Babes, and Barbed Wire, ECW When Worlds Collide, ECW The Night The Line Was Crossed, ECW Ultra Clash, ECW Enter The Sandman TJ Spyke 09:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
As a result of a discussion on notability above, I propose we, as a WikiProject, set some guidelines as to what makes a wrestler or promotion notable enough to be included here on Wikipedia. -- James Duggan 22:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
It looks like I'm gonna have problems with this user on the TNA roster page. He wants to delete all nicknames from that page and threatens to keep deleting when we revert back. I left him a message, but I just want to warn everyone. -- James Duggan 02:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
He might just be trying to make it like the WWE Roster Page BionicWilliam 03:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Quick summary: This article is up for Afd, in part because there are multiple articles about this individual including one about his wrestling career as Johnny Angel (wrestler). I just attempted to merge the wrestling article into the real name article per a growing consensus in the Afd (he's also a former member of the KKK and has, to me, a rather interesting bio.) In the course of doing this merge I found myself confused because I don't know a thing about pro wrestling. Mostly I'm having trouble distinguishing exactly what "belt" he holds and what wrestling organization awarded it. The orginal article is a bit hard to follow for a novice like myself. I'd love it if someone would give the original article a read, then check my section on Johnny Lee Clary to see if I transferred the info correctly. Thanks! Dina 13:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think he may be a sockpuppter, he may not be, but from some recent edits a few random IP's have been making I think it's possible. He is an admitted vandal (talk page) and used to liken himself to will on wheels. Here is one poss sockpuppet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:67.185.26.89 ( Halbared 22:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC))
A user (also a member of this project) keeps replacing the detailed information of the championship wins with just the amount of times each title was won on Triple H. -- Aaru Bui 22:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:ROH World Heavyweight Championship Tromboneguy0186 05:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
What is going on with this article?( Halbared 21:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC))
JB has changed his modus operandi and is now spamming citation needed tags through articles he himself has written. Examples can be found at [6] [7] (both articles done by JB in which he provided most of the material). JB tends to add numerous templates to articles when he doesn't get what he wants (see: 411mania, Extreme Warfare and Wrestling Spirit). Can an admin please intervene? This stuff has gone on for too long and he has shown no signs of stopping. –– Lid( Talk) 06:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
IMPORTANT JB196 has been indefblocked for violating WP:POINT, edit warring, trolling and insulting admins [8]. –– Lid( Talk) 05:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Here is a copy of the conversation on the Vic Grimes talk page between myself and bullet:
Bullet, what is your position, exactly? Please link to specific Wikipedia policies. My position is that I am "self-reverting" (allowed under WP:3RR) and that by reverting my self-edit, a case can be made that you are vandalizing this article. I also take great offense to your negative comments about my intent in editing Wikipedia. Please read WP:ASG for more info on the "Assume good faith" policy which you are clearly in violation of. JB196 02:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
"this is Wikipeida policy that is being enforced" - This is also my contention, so it IS my word against yours.
Again, for the umpteenth time, my edit is protected under WP:3RR and you have not offered any response otherwise. JB196 03:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
JB, why do you want to take credit for your edits? If anyone deserves credit, it's the sources that you got the info from. Read the Wikipedia policy WP:OWN. You contribute to Wikipedia, you're basically releasing your work to public domain. I have created and expanded several articles myself, yet I know it's pointless to take credit for it as anyone could have found that info elsewhere. James Duggan 03:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
We just can't get through to user JB196. He continues to revert the article, reducing its quality claiming that he is not credited as "The Author" in the article itself. The issue is being brought up here [9] help would be greatly appreciated. -- bulletproof 3:16 03:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
In fact JB your not reverting away your own work on the article your reverting away my edits and everyone else who contributed after you wrote the biography... infact i went through and rewrote most parts of your bio ( see edit history) meaning if i was selfish and didnt uderstand wiki i could consider it my work and tell you, you have no right to remove it... do you not uderstand that after something is contributed on wiki it can no longer be claimed as a users work... the biography section stay and if you dont like it dont edit again --- Paulley
User:Weatherman5000 started this article, but all he did was copy and paste the Shad Gaspard article there. TJ Spyke 05:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm having issues on the Layla El. I can not believe I have to bring this up anywhere but the talk page. TripleH1976 and I disagree on whether or not her SmackDown!debut should be added to the page. We argued (and reverted) to the point that we both got hit with 3RR warnings. I don't think it's worth dragging a Wiki Admin into it, but a few folk from here can weigh in on the talk page. - Bdve
Warriors of Wrestling was the AWF tv show that was in 95+96. The page here at Wikipedia is just a list of results: which is simply listcruft. I had a prod on it, but it was deleted by an editor because it's a TV show. But to put it simply...Wikipedia isn't a place to list wrestling results. Also results at the bottom of TNA Impact, should get a mass AFD. There is several pages of results for certain months for Impact. RobJ1981 16:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Located at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ECW Born To Be Wired. I voted to keep them all, I think all ECW events are notable enough for Wikipedia. VegaDark 10:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Why not all of them? How can some be notable and some not if "ROH is just an indy fed" ? Is there nothing about that company that we CAN keep? Tromboneguy0186 03:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC) I went ahead and put prods on the other show articles and I'm tempted to be a real dick and put one on [[Ring of Honor] Tromboneguy0186 04:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
How can you have it both ways? Either ROH is important or it's not.
Okay, so what's the litmus test? If a show is x, you'll allow it to stay, but if it's y, it must gooo?
There seems to be a problem with wrestlers on shows like iMPACT! and SmackDown of people putting results before they air, especially when there's a title change involved. I was thinking we can start putting a warning like we do for week by week targets kinda like this: <!--This wrestler is on a show that tapes before it airs. Although the results are made available in a myriad of locations, please do not add them here until the show airs either in the article or in "invisible text".-->
That language may need to be cleaned up a little bit, but it would help having to erase something 100 times between Wednesday morning and Friday night. - Bdve 03:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion, these really aren't needed. Take a look at Category:Total Nonstop Action Wrestling television programs. There are Impact results for several months. These aren't really needed. If someone could mass AFD them, that would be helpful. Using prods probably wont work, people usually remove them. RobJ1981 04:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I know you created the article and put it up for prod to make a point, but don't think everyone is against you. I know my reply seems like I thought you didn't know what the SOTF is but it's to show some of us do care about the indies. –– Lid( Talk) 06:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Again, why does it matter when those things happened if individual events aren't important enough for articles? Oh, and if I understood, do you think I'd still be asking all these questions? ;) Tromboneguy0186 07:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)