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It seems like this would work well - expand the content of the Pikachu article, and have the article on Pikachu discuss his various stages. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There is no way that would end up as a well flowing article, and it certainly wouldn't add anything useful. Besides the few fairly minor things about Pichu you mentioned above, there is nothing that will be added that would balance out the amount of in-universe information added. It would be pretty much the same, though with two more paragraphs under "Characteristics" and around a paragraph under "Appearances". After that, you're going to have the "Cultural impact" section almost completely void of the other two. The list entries have the ability cover them just fine (definitely improve them if you wish). TTN ( talk) 17:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Would merging Pichu and Raichu result in two gaps in the lists saying "Main article: Pikachu#some_anchor"? - Face 17:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Simply put, none of them have enough content unique to their articles that would require them to have their own articles. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
AttP, you mentioned that Pokémon could never be a featured topic since the "third games" could never reach GA. If we get to the point where 40% of all the Pokemon video game articles are FAs, adjusted so that the four extra articles are dragging it down, I'll wholehartedly have no qualms about the merger. That's when I know the merger is for the good of the Wikipedia. Until then, I have far too many sentimental bonds to my shaping of Emerald, but this is nonsense, so you're free to disgreard this comment. hbdragon88 ( talk) 19:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Recently, the simple:Main Page Wikipedia nominated the Pokémon stubs for deletion. I know the debate to merge the articles into 25 large ones was acrimonious, so if anyone still here wants to resurrect the articles on an official Wikipedia that doesn't have the guidelines or policies FICT, GUIDE, or IINFO bearing down on every edit, let's do it. (Cassandra) 72.67.43.186 ( talk) 21:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
First off, did a little reference work here to fill some bits in on List of Pokémon (481-493). Other stuff there seems to reference bits from the D&P games...can anyone add in the game text references for the other bits? Given it's on the tail end seems the easiest of the mini-lists to clean up the rest of the way.
Secondly, proposing the move of Pokémon Red and Blue to Pokémon Red, Green and Blue: they were the first three games and identical enough to each other (the only odd one out was us never getting Green of course). Additionally it seems odd to list Green under versions alongside the different Yellow.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I think since this article covers all three games completely (as the Emerald article was turned into a redirect) that it should appropriately be named Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald. This honestly seems pretty straightforward to me. Besides, R/B's article does not FULLY cover Yellow and FR/LG, as those both have main articles, where as Emerald does not. Thoughts?
Also, I know this doesn't matter, but I just painstakingly fixed like ten double redirects, all for naught now =P. Artichoker [talk] 20:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Just Ruby and Sapphire is fine. They're the original games; just have a section titled "Pokemon Emerald" and have a redirect to there. "Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald" is unnecessary and wordy. Same with the rest. For instance, just "Red, Blue, and Green" (or then even just "Red and Blue" given that Green is practically unknown to English speakers, was never released here, etc. but that's another argument) with Yellow, FireRed, and FireGreen in their own section. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 01:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Over the past weeks months, someone is constantly adding voice acting information to Pokémon lists and actor articles. He or she uses dynamic addresses in the 90.202.89.* series, and has also used 90.211.190.146. Here are the edits of the known addresses (listed in order of usage):
Because voice acting appearances are not sourced often on WP, I'm having a hard time checking the correctness of the things he adds. A few random examples:
I discussed this with BlazikenMaster a few days ago. He suggested a hidden comment, but I'm uncertain where we should put that. On the top of every Pokémon list? Cheers, Face 13:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Another editor and I are having a dispute at the article Kanto (Pokémon) about whether or not this should be added to the article. Basically, the other editor wants to add information about a truck that appeared once in the game, while I believe this is entirely nonnotable and does not warrant inclusion in the article. We are trying to reach consensus on Talk:Kanto (Pokémon)#S.S. Anne Port Easter Egg and User talk:Artichoker#I never said it did held one, i said that was the old rumor. However, whenever I try to revert back to the original version while we are discussing the matter, the other editor reverts back. I posted this here in order to get a third opinion. What are your thoughts on this matter? Thanks. Artichoker [talk] 20:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a new discussion going on at Talk:Kanto (Pokémon)#My side on why i think the truck is notable about the content dispute. Any opinions would be appreciated. Artichoker [talk] 22:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
The same editor as above and I are having another content dispute on Kanto (Pokémon). The editor once again broke consensus and tried to add some unnecessary non-free images to the article, which violate WP:FUC. The discussion is still going on at Talk:Kanto (Pokémon)#Compromise, however, we are not making much progress. A few more opinions of this matter would help greatly. Any thoughts? Thank you. Artichoker [talk] 21:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Pokémon and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article and several other WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm taken on the challenge of expanding, and sorta re-writing the Pokémon Adventures article. My main focus is to expand the synopsis on each chapter (referred to as "distinct parts" currently). I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a good idea? And if you want to help out, I'm currently working on it on my sandbox, if anyone wants to have a peek and give me a few pointers. TheChrisD Rants• Edits 21:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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For a moment, I thought s/he had backed of: I didn't spot him/her for a few days after I wrote this. But on July 8, he/she was on it again, editing via 90.211.190.187, and once again adding one of his/her favorite movie/game titles: "Power Eons: Super Legends", which very likely does not exist. The use of this address confirms what I already suspected: this user can use two dynamic internet connections. 90.202.89.x is his/her primary range, but he/she has also access to 90.211.190.x (see also 90.211.190.146). My guess is that this is a person with some kind of mental disorder. He/She adds made up titles of movies/games, and false voice acting information about Pokémon he likes, and is apparently unable to understand that it is unwanted. He/she is persistent: this has been going on since at least December last year.
A few hours ago, user 90.202.89.53 vandalized Pokémon Platinum. The time might be right for an abuse report. A possible remedy is hard-blocking the two ranges, or at least the primary range, for about six months, which will most likely discourage him/her greatly. But as I said above, it may not be worth it. He/She is being disruptive, but is doing relatively little damage, and is easy to spot. I also wonder to what extend such a block might affect innocent users. A soft block is another possibility. Perhaps the Charizard fan will create an account then, allowing us to contact him/her directly.
What do you guys think? - Face 15:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello again. Some of you may remember that there was a previous content dispute about the now deleted article Glitch City initiated by User:MKULTRA333. Now the editor has come back and is trying to insert unverified, nonnotable, original research about glitches into the Pokémon Red and Blue. He refuses to listen and claims his sources are reliable. However, I think you will agree with me that they absolutely are not. These are his sources: [1], [2], [3]. Opinions on this matter would help greatly. Discussion is (sort of) going on Talk:Pokémon Red and Blue, but the user continues to edit war on the article. Thank you. Artichoker [talk] 18:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, warning seems useless. He removed the 3RR note from his page and argued Nintendo wasn't a valid source to boot? O_o-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 22:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I really have something to say about images not in the lists. I admit I was part of the work in merging, but what annoys me about the lists is there are no images. That really sucks, sorry about ranting I can accept the consequences of being blocked, but I know this has to be said. Something has to be done about this, I mean look at the lists, can you say it's encyclopedic to have lists without images? I object that, and lists should be treated like articles since they still are part of the mainspace, and deleted lists go to AfD not LfD(Lists for deletion), there is something to do about this. We have to find a way, everything on Wikipedia is supposed to be useful for people that don't know a thing about the subject, right? Well, without images the information is nearly useless to those that know nothing about Pokémon, think about that. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 17:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Number: 025 | Type: Electric | Evolves from: Pichu | Evolves into: Raichu | BP article |
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Why? Because Nintendo (which is bigger than Pokémon since Pokémon along with other things are included in there) has become a task force.
Oh and before waving the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS flag, read further, as I have more reasons than just that. Besides the games and movies, what else is there to work on? By that I mean what other articles of Pokémon are we going to work on? By working on I mean on the actual article, not the attempt to merge.
Let's face it, this WikiProject was created because the species was too much to handle for few people, which is why we created this WikiProject to begin with. But now that characters, places, the species and other stuff have been merged to lists I believe this doesn't have the requirements to be a whole WikiProject anymore.
Ok, now discuss. You can disagree, but I'd like to see some real argument, not WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS since it was only part of my suggestion. Thank you very much. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 15:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I oppose, I think there's still too many articles in the spectrum of this project. Over 200, at least. There's a Legend of Zelda project. Tezkag72 ( talk) 14:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that's WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.-- Ipatrol ( talk) 22:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hoenn&diff=prev&oldid=237689806
In this revision I clearly said that I see no merge discussion, therefore removed the tag, but I was being reverted. And I'd like to be proven wrong please. As far as I know discussion is needed somewhere in order for a merge tag to be at the top of the article. I am not going to a revert war, but I'm asking to be proven wrong.
I was reverted for this reason: "People are allowed to put merge tags on."
Does this statement prove me wrong in any way? No, it doesn't. I'm not denying that people are allowed to put merge tags, but why do you think (Discuss) is part of the template? Don't you find it a little mysterious that it would be there if discussions aren't required?
Again, I'd like to be proven wrong. And I checked the contr. and the one that put the tag there did in not start a discussion by the time I reverted. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 00:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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I made a small-time project. Please include it into the site. Link: Project pokedex —Preceding unsigned comment added by Portalcake ( talk • contribs) 11:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
In an essay I wrote, I said that the merging of all the Pokémon articles was a very poor decision:
The deletion of all the Pokémon articles was a particularly disappointing time on Wikipedia. Pokémon characters have lots of media and sources associated with them, have a lot of fans who would be interested in reading these articles and editing them, and are "notable." They are also a great way to get people involved in Wikipedia: They come to the site, see how good our coverage of that subject is, and begin contributing and getting interested in the project. Pokémon characters are "notable," verifiable, have the potential to become Featured articles, have a lot of users to support them, and may get people interested in Wikipedia. The only reason to oppose articles on Pokémon characters is that a traditional encyclopedia would not have these articles; however, these kinds of articles are precisely what we can and positively should preserve.
I know that this project has begun to falter, but I would like to begin an open-ended discussion to see what consensus would be like on returning all Pokémon articles to their pre-merge state. Another possibility would be to expand the ones that have been featured in movies ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Darkrai, etc etc), version mascots ( Kyogre, Groudon, Dialga, Palkia, etc), ones that have appeared in video games ( Pichu, Lucario), ones that have spawned Internet memes ( Mudkip), or other particularly famous ones ( Charmander, Squirtle, etc); however, I personally feel that all Pokémon deserve their own article, and would very much enjoy discussing this with members of this project. I feel that enough time has gone by that consensus may have changed. Hell, Bulbasaur used to be FA quality! I really think this idea has merit, and I eagerly look forward to any and all responses on this important issue. Glass Cobra 22:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Where are the sources?
We can't do write anything useful until we have some decent sources, and to date nobody has unearthed any. You can argue up and down and left and right that such-and-such Pokémon is important but until you can come up with some sources to make some sourced factual claims, it comes to nothing. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 23:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
(←)There are plenty of reliable sources for individual Pokémon, as evidenced by the Mewtwo article. So I believe it would be possible for other Pokémon to have well-sourced articles. Artichoker talk 00:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Guys, every Pokémon is going to be important enough or interesting enough or whatever enough for someone to think it needs its own article. The standard is sources, and we have for pretty much all of them. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 02:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone brought up Mewtwo as an example of a well-sourced article. Let's talk about the sources in this version.
According to the reliable sources that actually talk about Mewtwo instead of Pokémon in general, Mewtwo appears in Pokémon: The First Movie, critics felt such-and-such way about said movie, the end. And this is supposedly one of the better-sourced articles.
I'm not being sarcastic when I say that there's no content to put into standalone articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
My feelings about Bulbasaur are quickly becoming legendary, and those feelings are based on the fact that its sourcing looks about the same as Mewtwo's ... it just doesn't meet the guidelines at WP:N. There aren't multiple, independent, third-party sources that address Bulbasaur directly and in detail. If articles are resurrected before sources are found, they won't be any better. I think approaching this problem from the perspective of This is the list of Pokemon I'd like to resurrect is backwards. There's nothing wrong with resurrecting any of the individual articles if there are independent third-party sources that address that particular Pokemon directly and in detail. I think a more fruitful strategy would be to start from sourcing: find any third-party sources (not Nintendo licensed or published, not fan-sites) that deal directly with any specific Pokemon. Take note of which ones they discuss. Once you find a good group of sources, any and all Pokemon that are addressed in multiple sources can be resurrected. Please don't resurrect articles before finding sources.— Kww( talk) 18:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
This one might be tricky: While I do strongly think the characters should get their own article, and there are some sources to support such, just where would it point to? Team Rocket is the current target and really the "iconic" name for the trio, so reviving it there with a disambig link to the crime syndicates article if the subject is revived may be the best bet. Keep in mind while tags are up, this is entirely hypothetical and to promote discussion on the subject.
So...thoughts?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 23:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are talking about. Explain. Negabandit86 ( talk) 14:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I created a Deoxys article, and it just got deleted. I know it's more notable than, say, Lombre or Magcargo. TTN told me to come here and state my place. So, WTF?!? Tezkag72 ( talk) 17:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
does this discussion include un-merging the human characters from "list of pokemon anime characters" back to individual articles? Brendankm ( talk) 18:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Some notable stuff (such as legendaries or Mudkip) may deserve their own articles, but unmerging unimportant stuff (such as Orre) may be a waste of space. Mydoctor93 ( talk) 07:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I know next to nothing about Pokemon, so I'm hoping someone here can look at a couple of new articles and weigh in. This is how the Gary oaks arcanine article looked before I changed it to a redirect to Arcanine. My question on this article is was this a legitimate attempt to write an article about Arcanine (involving a fictional character named Gary Oaks), or is this someone writing about his own pokemon (from a game perhaps?), in which case this should be deleted, not redirected.
Also Gary oak's cheerleaders has similar issues. Is this a legitimate fictional concept in pokemon, or someone writing about their own play experience (perhaps with a bit of wishful thinking...).
See, I told you all I know nothing about Pokemon. Once you can catch your breath from laughing at how little I know, please take a look and help out. Thanks! :) -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
With Bulbapedia I think it's like milking a dead cow---- Ultamatecharizard ( talk) 20:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd let you know that I have nominated Dennō Senshi Porygon for GA. =) TheLeft orium 15:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The article hasn't seen improvement in some time over the issues it has, and new information doesn't seem to be turning up to buffer it further. Merging it at least for now may be a good option. Any thoughts?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 02:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
The main problem with attempting to merge it is the small number of people that won't let go of the fact that it was once a featured article under quite lax standards. I certainly tried it a number of times with very little luck. I would suggest getting people from the video game project to comment because you'll probably need some numbers behind the consensus, though people may have stopped caring at this point. TTN ( talk) 19:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well the wiki coverage of PTCG was pretty small and broad. So much stuff, sets, cards and very few articles. So i started an article: List of Cards in Pokémon Trading Card Game Set Base Set Sets have so much information about them and all they had in wiki was a small paragraph. So i was going to add more, with proper sorces n everything, starting with the base set. Like Card list, with rarity and all that punk. Booster pack and theme decks information.
What you think?... IAmTheCoinMan ( talk) 21:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
List of Cards in Pokémon Trading Card Game Set Base Set so um.... didnt get to add the theme decks indepth bit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by IAmTheCoinMan ( talk • contribs) 09:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Just a shout, C-class articles are being counted in the unassessed category as well.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 01:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
What is the point of having Template:Pokémon films, Template:Pokémon games and Template:Pokemon media? Films template has the same or mostly similar information, as well as the games template, as the media template. Having two templates on game related, or film related article would be absolutely useless. -- staka ( T) 01:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd let you know that I have recreated the " Pokémon, I Choose You!" article with a production and a reception section. I hope everyone is okay with this, because in my opinion the episode is notable. Also, I'm planning on getting it to GA status, so I'll be working more on it in the next couple of days. — TheLeft orium 00:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I posted this over at Template talk:Pokémon films, but figured I'd get a faster response if I posted here. It's just a general query as it is something I am unfamiliar with, but is it policy for the title of each movie to be in italics in the template, or just how it was edited? MelicansMatkin ( talk) 03:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Looking over Template:Pokemon, it strikes me that all of the emphasis here is on the games and anime. But I know that there are articles on at least the various manga and the TCG - possibly even on the TFG, though I'm not sure on that last one. I'm not knowledgeable on any of those aspects of the franchise, but would somebody who is be able to add them to the template? Should they be added? Your thoughts?
In addition, I'd also recommend deletion of Template:Pokémon anime characters and Template:Pokémon Gym Leaders, as these are now entirely superceded by Template:Pokemon. Your thoughts on this? MelicansMatkin ( talk) 03:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Gary King just retitled all the Pokémon lists, changing the dashes from - to –. I found this odd, and left him a message about it. Cheers, theFace 21:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I think this project should focus some of its attention on one of its good articles and try to improve it to featured status. It wouldn't take very long, and it's a big milestone for any WikiProject that hasn't done it already, and it will help this project get more respect. What say you to this idea? (I would suggest Pokémon Diamond and Pearl as it seems the closest already.) Tezkag72 私にどなる 私のはかい 00:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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Over the year or two that these articles have been merged there have been repeated arguments that there is something patently wrong with the system we have in place now. Many early attempts to find a compromise (or new consensus) were met with responses like, "We've already decided on this, so stop whining." The list articles are actually worse than the originals in most cases because generally they (1) are in-universe, (2) subsequently derive all info from primary sources, and (3) inherently work against the expansion of subject.
The simple fact is that many people, wikipedia editors and readers, feel that we are failing the first pillar of wikipedia by not incorporating elements of specialized encyclopedias. Rather than fighting for one way or the other on this, we should be looking for compromises, that's what consensus really is, and these lists are no compromise.
I am recommending we take another stab at WP:POKE/Layout, something that actually had relative support on both sides of the camp, and something that can really improve the encyclopedia, because let's face it, these lists are not an improvement - they're an eyesore. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 09:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
to reiterate, i feel there is no real consensus for the current crappy setup and have proposed revisiting discussion on WP:POKE/Layout. AMIB appears to agree the lists are a bad solution, but opposes that plan for reasons stated above. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 14:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I also agree that the lists are very poor and will never be anything more than in-universe gamecruft. I'm more for outright deletion of them than anything. Artichoker talk 19:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
... any information that game guides could provide would be removed under [ WP:GAMEGUIDE ]
I'd just like to summarize this discussion so far as I see it:
I would be interested to hear a response to this, some way that a third-party gameguide's coverage (such as Prima's) of Eevee is below the bar set by WP:V so that we should not have more than a few paragraphs on the subject. I would like to hear an argument for why we should take one extreme view over another, instead of trying to achieve a consensus, a not-perfect agreement that the greatest number of people can live with. This project used to have several dedicated contibutors (actual contributions beyond adding their name to the participants list) who decided they were done arguing with a group of people they felt acted unilaterally, and quit. If 50% of the people prefer option A and 50% prefer option C, then why shouldn't we go with option B which 75% of the people can be okay with if all three options are equally not-perfect? - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 15:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Then we could revive Template:Pokemon media with this.
The old one is much too big. I have no idea why they merged it in the first place. Who thinks we should split them? -- Blake ( talk) 15:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Who agrees with me here in saying that Red from the Games and Manga are the same person; Blue from the Games, Manga, and Gary from the anime are the same person; and so on, that they are just in different universes so they are somewhat different? They should all be in the same article, right? Red and Gold have their articles merged. Shouldnt Gary? -- Blake ( talk) 13:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Some of the articles were really good, including Torchic, which was once a Featured Article. [5]
I think we should consider reverting some of the articles back. -- Blake ( talk) 18:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
This kind of goes back to my above suggestion of revisiting a merge-by-evolution track. This format would provide that needed starting off point for articles to be improved upon. blake, take a look at WP:POKE/Layout and an example to see if this is something you feel could provide enough space in order to start an article that could later be improved. It seems that artichoker and melicans are warming up to the idea, so why don't we pick an example line to build and play with here in the project space. That way when we go "live" with the idea, there won't be the confusion and stuttering that there was last time. -- ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 19:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
"what we've done instead is say that one must pull a sapling out of their ass before we deem it worthy to be planted in the yard. instead we should be allowing some way for editors to grow it from a seed in the first place, you shove it in a box and you won't get anywhere. wikipedia is not done"
WOW. That is exactly what I have been trying to say. Nobody is going to go and research info for hours just to make one page. The point of Wikipedia is that everybody adds a little to the article and eventualy it becomes very complete. Removing the pages just because its "Not good enough" is blocking us from making a great article. -- Blake ( talk) 00:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Should I upload pics of all the pokemon and give them all theyre own pages,showing theyre place in the anime, gamesetc.I have the time PeRmEtHiUs ( talk) 16:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
All you people wanting Pokemon to have separate aricles, just forget it. The people of Wikipedia are too stubborn to let Wikipedia have any decent arcitles on Pokemon. You will never change their minds. If you want Pokemon info, go to Bulbapedia. Working on Pokemon articles here is a waste of time. -- Blake ( talk) 14:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated it for FA.You can support it here. Come on guys, lets get this enough support to make this FA,then it will make making other pokemon articles a lot easier because people we'll see what we are doing and understnd it. TO FA! - Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ Life Death 15:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Ya know .It seems that leftorium hates pokemon and is coming here to ruin our articles and project.- Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ Life Death 15:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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It seems like this would work well - expand the content of the Pikachu article, and have the article on Pikachu discuss his various stages. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There is no way that would end up as a well flowing article, and it certainly wouldn't add anything useful. Besides the few fairly minor things about Pichu you mentioned above, there is nothing that will be added that would balance out the amount of in-universe information added. It would be pretty much the same, though with two more paragraphs under "Characteristics" and around a paragraph under "Appearances". After that, you're going to have the "Cultural impact" section almost completely void of the other two. The list entries have the ability cover them just fine (definitely improve them if you wish). TTN ( talk) 17:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Would merging Pichu and Raichu result in two gaps in the lists saying "Main article: Pikachu#some_anchor"? - Face 17:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Simply put, none of them have enough content unique to their articles that would require them to have their own articles. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
AttP, you mentioned that Pokémon could never be a featured topic since the "third games" could never reach GA. If we get to the point where 40% of all the Pokemon video game articles are FAs, adjusted so that the four extra articles are dragging it down, I'll wholehartedly have no qualms about the merger. That's when I know the merger is for the good of the Wikipedia. Until then, I have far too many sentimental bonds to my shaping of Emerald, but this is nonsense, so you're free to disgreard this comment. hbdragon88 ( talk) 19:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Recently, the simple:Main Page Wikipedia nominated the Pokémon stubs for deletion. I know the debate to merge the articles into 25 large ones was acrimonious, so if anyone still here wants to resurrect the articles on an official Wikipedia that doesn't have the guidelines or policies FICT, GUIDE, or IINFO bearing down on every edit, let's do it. (Cassandra) 72.67.43.186 ( talk) 21:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
First off, did a little reference work here to fill some bits in on List of Pokémon (481-493). Other stuff there seems to reference bits from the D&P games...can anyone add in the game text references for the other bits? Given it's on the tail end seems the easiest of the mini-lists to clean up the rest of the way.
Secondly, proposing the move of Pokémon Red and Blue to Pokémon Red, Green and Blue: they were the first three games and identical enough to each other (the only odd one out was us never getting Green of course). Additionally it seems odd to list Green under versions alongside the different Yellow.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I think since this article covers all three games completely (as the Emerald article was turned into a redirect) that it should appropriately be named Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald. This honestly seems pretty straightforward to me. Besides, R/B's article does not FULLY cover Yellow and FR/LG, as those both have main articles, where as Emerald does not. Thoughts?
Also, I know this doesn't matter, but I just painstakingly fixed like ten double redirects, all for naught now =P. Artichoker [talk] 20:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Just Ruby and Sapphire is fine. They're the original games; just have a section titled "Pokemon Emerald" and have a redirect to there. "Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald" is unnecessary and wordy. Same with the rest. For instance, just "Red, Blue, and Green" (or then even just "Red and Blue" given that Green is practically unknown to English speakers, was never released here, etc. but that's another argument) with Yellow, FireRed, and FireGreen in their own section. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 01:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Over the past weeks months, someone is constantly adding voice acting information to Pokémon lists and actor articles. He or she uses dynamic addresses in the 90.202.89.* series, and has also used 90.211.190.146. Here are the edits of the known addresses (listed in order of usage):
Because voice acting appearances are not sourced often on WP, I'm having a hard time checking the correctness of the things he adds. A few random examples:
I discussed this with BlazikenMaster a few days ago. He suggested a hidden comment, but I'm uncertain where we should put that. On the top of every Pokémon list? Cheers, Face 13:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Another editor and I are having a dispute at the article Kanto (Pokémon) about whether or not this should be added to the article. Basically, the other editor wants to add information about a truck that appeared once in the game, while I believe this is entirely nonnotable and does not warrant inclusion in the article. We are trying to reach consensus on Talk:Kanto (Pokémon)#S.S. Anne Port Easter Egg and User talk:Artichoker#I never said it did held one, i said that was the old rumor. However, whenever I try to revert back to the original version while we are discussing the matter, the other editor reverts back. I posted this here in order to get a third opinion. What are your thoughts on this matter? Thanks. Artichoker [talk] 20:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a new discussion going on at Talk:Kanto (Pokémon)#My side on why i think the truck is notable about the content dispute. Any opinions would be appreciated. Artichoker [talk] 22:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
The same editor as above and I are having another content dispute on Kanto (Pokémon). The editor once again broke consensus and tried to add some unnecessary non-free images to the article, which violate WP:FUC. The discussion is still going on at Talk:Kanto (Pokémon)#Compromise, however, we are not making much progress. A few more opinions of this matter would help greatly. Any thoughts? Thank you. Artichoker [talk] 21:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Pokémon and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article and several other WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm taken on the challenge of expanding, and sorta re-writing the Pokémon Adventures article. My main focus is to expand the synopsis on each chapter (referred to as "distinct parts" currently). I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a good idea? And if you want to help out, I'm currently working on it on my sandbox, if anyone wants to have a peek and give me a few pointers. TheChrisD Rants• Edits 21:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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For a moment, I thought s/he had backed of: I didn't spot him/her for a few days after I wrote this. But on July 8, he/she was on it again, editing via 90.211.190.187, and once again adding one of his/her favorite movie/game titles: "Power Eons: Super Legends", which very likely does not exist. The use of this address confirms what I already suspected: this user can use two dynamic internet connections. 90.202.89.x is his/her primary range, but he/she has also access to 90.211.190.x (see also 90.211.190.146). My guess is that this is a person with some kind of mental disorder. He/She adds made up titles of movies/games, and false voice acting information about Pokémon he likes, and is apparently unable to understand that it is unwanted. He/she is persistent: this has been going on since at least December last year.
A few hours ago, user 90.202.89.53 vandalized Pokémon Platinum. The time might be right for an abuse report. A possible remedy is hard-blocking the two ranges, or at least the primary range, for about six months, which will most likely discourage him/her greatly. But as I said above, it may not be worth it. He/She is being disruptive, but is doing relatively little damage, and is easy to spot. I also wonder to what extend such a block might affect innocent users. A soft block is another possibility. Perhaps the Charizard fan will create an account then, allowing us to contact him/her directly.
What do you guys think? - Face 15:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello again. Some of you may remember that there was a previous content dispute about the now deleted article Glitch City initiated by User:MKULTRA333. Now the editor has come back and is trying to insert unverified, nonnotable, original research about glitches into the Pokémon Red and Blue. He refuses to listen and claims his sources are reliable. However, I think you will agree with me that they absolutely are not. These are his sources: [1], [2], [3]. Opinions on this matter would help greatly. Discussion is (sort of) going on Talk:Pokémon Red and Blue, but the user continues to edit war on the article. Thank you. Artichoker [talk] 18:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, warning seems useless. He removed the 3RR note from his page and argued Nintendo wasn't a valid source to boot? O_o-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 22:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I really have something to say about images not in the lists. I admit I was part of the work in merging, but what annoys me about the lists is there are no images. That really sucks, sorry about ranting I can accept the consequences of being blocked, but I know this has to be said. Something has to be done about this, I mean look at the lists, can you say it's encyclopedic to have lists without images? I object that, and lists should be treated like articles since they still are part of the mainspace, and deleted lists go to AfD not LfD(Lists for deletion), there is something to do about this. We have to find a way, everything on Wikipedia is supposed to be useful for people that don't know a thing about the subject, right? Well, without images the information is nearly useless to those that know nothing about Pokémon, think about that. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 17:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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Why? Because Nintendo (which is bigger than Pokémon since Pokémon along with other things are included in there) has become a task force.
Oh and before waving the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS flag, read further, as I have more reasons than just that. Besides the games and movies, what else is there to work on? By that I mean what other articles of Pokémon are we going to work on? By working on I mean on the actual article, not the attempt to merge.
Let's face it, this WikiProject was created because the species was too much to handle for few people, which is why we created this WikiProject to begin with. But now that characters, places, the species and other stuff have been merged to lists I believe this doesn't have the requirements to be a whole WikiProject anymore.
Ok, now discuss. You can disagree, but I'd like to see some real argument, not WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS since it was only part of my suggestion. Thank you very much. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 15:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I oppose, I think there's still too many articles in the spectrum of this project. Over 200, at least. There's a Legend of Zelda project. Tezkag72 ( talk) 14:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that's WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.-- Ipatrol ( talk) 22:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hoenn&diff=prev&oldid=237689806
In this revision I clearly said that I see no merge discussion, therefore removed the tag, but I was being reverted. And I'd like to be proven wrong please. As far as I know discussion is needed somewhere in order for a merge tag to be at the top of the article. I am not going to a revert war, but I'm asking to be proven wrong.
I was reverted for this reason: "People are allowed to put merge tags on."
Does this statement prove me wrong in any way? No, it doesn't. I'm not denying that people are allowed to put merge tags, but why do you think (Discuss) is part of the template? Don't you find it a little mysterious that it would be there if discussions aren't required?
Again, I'd like to be proven wrong. And I checked the contr. and the one that put the tag there did in not start a discussion by the time I reverted. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 00:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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I made a small-time project. Please include it into the site. Link: Project pokedex —Preceding unsigned comment added by Portalcake ( talk • contribs) 11:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
In an essay I wrote, I said that the merging of all the Pokémon articles was a very poor decision:
The deletion of all the Pokémon articles was a particularly disappointing time on Wikipedia. Pokémon characters have lots of media and sources associated with them, have a lot of fans who would be interested in reading these articles and editing them, and are "notable." They are also a great way to get people involved in Wikipedia: They come to the site, see how good our coverage of that subject is, and begin contributing and getting interested in the project. Pokémon characters are "notable," verifiable, have the potential to become Featured articles, have a lot of users to support them, and may get people interested in Wikipedia. The only reason to oppose articles on Pokémon characters is that a traditional encyclopedia would not have these articles; however, these kinds of articles are precisely what we can and positively should preserve.
I know that this project has begun to falter, but I would like to begin an open-ended discussion to see what consensus would be like on returning all Pokémon articles to their pre-merge state. Another possibility would be to expand the ones that have been featured in movies ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Darkrai, etc etc), version mascots ( Kyogre, Groudon, Dialga, Palkia, etc), ones that have appeared in video games ( Pichu, Lucario), ones that have spawned Internet memes ( Mudkip), or other particularly famous ones ( Charmander, Squirtle, etc); however, I personally feel that all Pokémon deserve their own article, and would very much enjoy discussing this with members of this project. I feel that enough time has gone by that consensus may have changed. Hell, Bulbasaur used to be FA quality! I really think this idea has merit, and I eagerly look forward to any and all responses on this important issue. Glass Cobra 22:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Where are the sources?
We can't do write anything useful until we have some decent sources, and to date nobody has unearthed any. You can argue up and down and left and right that such-and-such Pokémon is important but until you can come up with some sources to make some sourced factual claims, it comes to nothing. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 23:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
(←)There are plenty of reliable sources for individual Pokémon, as evidenced by the Mewtwo article. So I believe it would be possible for other Pokémon to have well-sourced articles. Artichoker talk 00:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Guys, every Pokémon is going to be important enough or interesting enough or whatever enough for someone to think it needs its own article. The standard is sources, and we have for pretty much all of them. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 02:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone brought up Mewtwo as an example of a well-sourced article. Let's talk about the sources in this version.
According to the reliable sources that actually talk about Mewtwo instead of Pokémon in general, Mewtwo appears in Pokémon: The First Movie, critics felt such-and-such way about said movie, the end. And this is supposedly one of the better-sourced articles.
I'm not being sarcastic when I say that there's no content to put into standalone articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
My feelings about Bulbasaur are quickly becoming legendary, and those feelings are based on the fact that its sourcing looks about the same as Mewtwo's ... it just doesn't meet the guidelines at WP:N. There aren't multiple, independent, third-party sources that address Bulbasaur directly and in detail. If articles are resurrected before sources are found, they won't be any better. I think approaching this problem from the perspective of This is the list of Pokemon I'd like to resurrect is backwards. There's nothing wrong with resurrecting any of the individual articles if there are independent third-party sources that address that particular Pokemon directly and in detail. I think a more fruitful strategy would be to start from sourcing: find any third-party sources (not Nintendo licensed or published, not fan-sites) that deal directly with any specific Pokemon. Take note of which ones they discuss. Once you find a good group of sources, any and all Pokemon that are addressed in multiple sources can be resurrected. Please don't resurrect articles before finding sources.— Kww( talk) 18:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
This one might be tricky: While I do strongly think the characters should get their own article, and there are some sources to support such, just where would it point to? Team Rocket is the current target and really the "iconic" name for the trio, so reviving it there with a disambig link to the crime syndicates article if the subject is revived may be the best bet. Keep in mind while tags are up, this is entirely hypothetical and to promote discussion on the subject.
So...thoughts?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 23:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are talking about. Explain. Negabandit86 ( talk) 14:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I created a Deoxys article, and it just got deleted. I know it's more notable than, say, Lombre or Magcargo. TTN told me to come here and state my place. So, WTF?!? Tezkag72 ( talk) 17:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
does this discussion include un-merging the human characters from "list of pokemon anime characters" back to individual articles? Brendankm ( talk) 18:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Some notable stuff (such as legendaries or Mudkip) may deserve their own articles, but unmerging unimportant stuff (such as Orre) may be a waste of space. Mydoctor93 ( talk) 07:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I know next to nothing about Pokemon, so I'm hoping someone here can look at a couple of new articles and weigh in. This is how the Gary oaks arcanine article looked before I changed it to a redirect to Arcanine. My question on this article is was this a legitimate attempt to write an article about Arcanine (involving a fictional character named Gary Oaks), or is this someone writing about his own pokemon (from a game perhaps?), in which case this should be deleted, not redirected.
Also Gary oak's cheerleaders has similar issues. Is this a legitimate fictional concept in pokemon, or someone writing about their own play experience (perhaps with a bit of wishful thinking...).
See, I told you all I know nothing about Pokemon. Once you can catch your breath from laughing at how little I know, please take a look and help out. Thanks! :) -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
With Bulbapedia I think it's like milking a dead cow---- Ultamatecharizard ( talk) 20:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd let you know that I have nominated Dennō Senshi Porygon for GA. =) TheLeft orium 15:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The article hasn't seen improvement in some time over the issues it has, and new information doesn't seem to be turning up to buffer it further. Merging it at least for now may be a good option. Any thoughts?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 02:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
The main problem with attempting to merge it is the small number of people that won't let go of the fact that it was once a featured article under quite lax standards. I certainly tried it a number of times with very little luck. I would suggest getting people from the video game project to comment because you'll probably need some numbers behind the consensus, though people may have stopped caring at this point. TTN ( talk) 19:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well the wiki coverage of PTCG was pretty small and broad. So much stuff, sets, cards and very few articles. So i started an article: List of Cards in Pokémon Trading Card Game Set Base Set Sets have so much information about them and all they had in wiki was a small paragraph. So i was going to add more, with proper sorces n everything, starting with the base set. Like Card list, with rarity and all that punk. Booster pack and theme decks information.
What you think?... IAmTheCoinMan ( talk) 21:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
List of Cards in Pokémon Trading Card Game Set Base Set so um.... didnt get to add the theme decks indepth bit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by IAmTheCoinMan ( talk • contribs) 09:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Just a shout, C-class articles are being counted in the unassessed category as well.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 01:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
What is the point of having Template:Pokémon films, Template:Pokémon games and Template:Pokemon media? Films template has the same or mostly similar information, as well as the games template, as the media template. Having two templates on game related, or film related article would be absolutely useless. -- staka ( T) 01:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd let you know that I have recreated the " Pokémon, I Choose You!" article with a production and a reception section. I hope everyone is okay with this, because in my opinion the episode is notable. Also, I'm planning on getting it to GA status, so I'll be working more on it in the next couple of days. — TheLeft orium 00:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I posted this over at Template talk:Pokémon films, but figured I'd get a faster response if I posted here. It's just a general query as it is something I am unfamiliar with, but is it policy for the title of each movie to be in italics in the template, or just how it was edited? MelicansMatkin ( talk) 03:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Looking over Template:Pokemon, it strikes me that all of the emphasis here is on the games and anime. But I know that there are articles on at least the various manga and the TCG - possibly even on the TFG, though I'm not sure on that last one. I'm not knowledgeable on any of those aspects of the franchise, but would somebody who is be able to add them to the template? Should they be added? Your thoughts?
In addition, I'd also recommend deletion of Template:Pokémon anime characters and Template:Pokémon Gym Leaders, as these are now entirely superceded by Template:Pokemon. Your thoughts on this? MelicansMatkin ( talk) 03:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Gary King just retitled all the Pokémon lists, changing the dashes from - to –. I found this odd, and left him a message about it. Cheers, theFace 21:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I think this project should focus some of its attention on one of its good articles and try to improve it to featured status. It wouldn't take very long, and it's a big milestone for any WikiProject that hasn't done it already, and it will help this project get more respect. What say you to this idea? (I would suggest Pokémon Diamond and Pearl as it seems the closest already.) Tezkag72 私にどなる 私のはかい 00:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I have a posted a type-matchups table on my userpage. I hope it is of use.-- O'DELAQUATIQUE (talk) (contributions) (e-mail) 19:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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Over the year or two that these articles have been merged there have been repeated arguments that there is something patently wrong with the system we have in place now. Many early attempts to find a compromise (or new consensus) were met with responses like, "We've already decided on this, so stop whining." The list articles are actually worse than the originals in most cases because generally they (1) are in-universe, (2) subsequently derive all info from primary sources, and (3) inherently work against the expansion of subject.
The simple fact is that many people, wikipedia editors and readers, feel that we are failing the first pillar of wikipedia by not incorporating elements of specialized encyclopedias. Rather than fighting for one way or the other on this, we should be looking for compromises, that's what consensus really is, and these lists are no compromise.
I am recommending we take another stab at WP:POKE/Layout, something that actually had relative support on both sides of the camp, and something that can really improve the encyclopedia, because let's face it, these lists are not an improvement - they're an eyesore. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 09:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
to reiterate, i feel there is no real consensus for the current crappy setup and have proposed revisiting discussion on WP:POKE/Layout. AMIB appears to agree the lists are a bad solution, but opposes that plan for reasons stated above. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 14:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I also agree that the lists are very poor and will never be anything more than in-universe gamecruft. I'm more for outright deletion of them than anything. Artichoker talk 19:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
... any information that game guides could provide would be removed under [ WP:GAMEGUIDE ]
I'd just like to summarize this discussion so far as I see it:
I would be interested to hear a response to this, some way that a third-party gameguide's coverage (such as Prima's) of Eevee is below the bar set by WP:V so that we should not have more than a few paragraphs on the subject. I would like to hear an argument for why we should take one extreme view over another, instead of trying to achieve a consensus, a not-perfect agreement that the greatest number of people can live with. This project used to have several dedicated contibutors (actual contributions beyond adding their name to the participants list) who decided they were done arguing with a group of people they felt acted unilaterally, and quit. If 50% of the people prefer option A and 50% prefer option C, then why shouldn't we go with option B which 75% of the people can be okay with if all three options are equally not-perfect? - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 15:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Then we could revive Template:Pokemon media with this.
The old one is much too big. I have no idea why they merged it in the first place. Who thinks we should split them? -- Blake ( talk) 15:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Who agrees with me here in saying that Red from the Games and Manga are the same person; Blue from the Games, Manga, and Gary from the anime are the same person; and so on, that they are just in different universes so they are somewhat different? They should all be in the same article, right? Red and Gold have their articles merged. Shouldnt Gary? -- Blake ( talk) 13:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Some of the articles were really good, including Torchic, which was once a Featured Article. [5]
I think we should consider reverting some of the articles back. -- Blake ( talk) 18:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
This kind of goes back to my above suggestion of revisiting a merge-by-evolution track. This format would provide that needed starting off point for articles to be improved upon. blake, take a look at WP:POKE/Layout and an example to see if this is something you feel could provide enough space in order to start an article that could later be improved. It seems that artichoker and melicans are warming up to the idea, so why don't we pick an example line to build and play with here in the project space. That way when we go "live" with the idea, there won't be the confusion and stuttering that there was last time. -- ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 19:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
"what we've done instead is say that one must pull a sapling out of their ass before we deem it worthy to be planted in the yard. instead we should be allowing some way for editors to grow it from a seed in the first place, you shove it in a box and you won't get anywhere. wikipedia is not done"
WOW. That is exactly what I have been trying to say. Nobody is going to go and research info for hours just to make one page. The point of Wikipedia is that everybody adds a little to the article and eventualy it becomes very complete. Removing the pages just because its "Not good enough" is blocking us from making a great article. -- Blake ( talk) 00:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Should I upload pics of all the pokemon and give them all theyre own pages,showing theyre place in the anime, gamesetc.I have the time PeRmEtHiUs ( talk) 16:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
All you people wanting Pokemon to have separate aricles, just forget it. The people of Wikipedia are too stubborn to let Wikipedia have any decent arcitles on Pokemon. You will never change their minds. If you want Pokemon info, go to Bulbapedia. Working on Pokemon articles here is a waste of time. -- Blake ( talk) 14:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated it for FA.You can support it here. Come on guys, lets get this enough support to make this FA,then it will make making other pokemon articles a lot easier because people we'll see what we are doing and understnd it. TO FA! - Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ Life Death 15:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Ya know .It seems that leftorium hates pokemon and is coming here to ruin our articles and project.- Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ Life Death 15:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)