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Hi all. I've been thinking about applying for admin, so that we'd have somebody who's active in the wikiproject and understands the issues that come up who's able to deal with pesky administrative stuff, vandalism, etc. directly. Any thoughts? -- SCZenz 17:22, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I just went to what I would describe as "a lot" of effort to get some decent pictures to illustrate A Toroidal LHC ApparatuS. My question is: how close is the article, currently, to being worthy to put up for featured article status? -- SCZenz 23:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at Stachnikov's triflexian quantum multiplex theorem and Stachnikov. I believe this is outright crankery; I can't find any record of even an actual publication. The biography listed by the author of these articles, User:Lionosmom, is not listed on Amazon, and the terms biflexian, triflexian, and so forth appear to be pure crank terms unknown to physics. The author alleges that Stacknikov has a placque in Red Square. If true, the article needs to be rewritten to accurately portray his lack of scientific notability. If not, the article probably should be nominated for deletion.
Be careful, User:Lionosmon added approving mention of Stachnikov to Albert Einstein, which I deleted.--- CH (talk) 03:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
One general comment about the handling of these articles. As I understand it, claims that nobody seems to have heard of do not have to be "debunked." If they're impossible to verify, that's sufficient to chuck the article. Is that right? -- SCZenz 07:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking that Particle beam weapon might need to be tied into our project in the process of wikification, until I started to read it. IANAP, but it looks largely like hooey to me, either of the pseudoscience or conspiracy theory flavors, perhaps a bit of both, spurred by old SDI stories and the B.E.A.R report cited in Talk. Any of the more knowledgable denizens care to have a look, and perhaps a laugh? -- Kgf0 21:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
The Nobel Prize for Physics was recently awarded to John L. Hall and Theodor W. Hänsch "for their contributions to the development of laser-based precision spectroscopy, including the optical frequency comb technique." Anyone knowledgable enough to start the missing article? I could probably work on the bios once I have time, but I can't begin to guess what OFCT is or does, or whether it even merits an article of its own. -- Kgf0 21:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I feel this stub is redundant, being superseded by Hubble expansion. However, User:Worldtraveller feels there is a distinction between these two terms, and he claims that 'Hubble flow' is a standard term in cosmology with a meaning distinct from 'Hubble expansion' (at least, if I understand his comments correctly). I have requested a citation to a standard cosmology textbook. Can anyone here shed any light? --- CH (talk) 01:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Can a few people take a look at StuRat's recent edits to Wave-particle duality. They look distinctly dodgy and naive to me, but rather than just remove them I thought I'd be tactful and sensitive for once. William M. Connolley 14:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC).
Looking at the particle physics categories, it occurs to me we might benefit from having a Category:Experimental particle physics. It would be in Category:Experimental physics and Category:Particle physics, and contain the accelerator, detector, telescope, and "experimental concepts" categories currently at the top of particle physics. A possible variation would be to get rid of Category:Experimental particle physics concepts and put those articles directly in it. Any thoughts? -- SCZenz 16:29, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Presumably in response to my comments on Talk:Beamline, Scottfisher left the following comment on my talk page:
Do you think maybe we should start a new page on light sources, since beamline is about beamlines, like components on a beam pipe? Maybe include a seperate topic like the end of an accelerator, END STATIONS? Experimental beamlines, as I think that is what you are saying, experimental facility beamlines for users?
I've moved it here because I think it needs wider discussion among experts. I'm not sure anyone would look up light source (which is presently a redir to Light) in that sense who wouldn't already know what one is, so I don't think it's the most useful title; at the same time, I have no counter-suggestion. End stations sounds more like it should be Category:Particle physics experiments or Category:Particle physics facilities, with articles for the notable ones. Being relatively new to the field and a non-physicist, I'm not really sure what the best solution would be here; I just know that the edits I did on Beamline are only a stop-gap - so have some discussion while I go get some coffee. -- Kgf0 16:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
There is even an article on Synchrotron also. Scott 00:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Up for deletion. Maybe worth a look. -- SCZenz 01:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
We've got someone creating sketchy articles on this theory and its creators. I first marked a few of the bios {{ nn-bio}}, but put this one up for AfD. — Laura Scudder | Talk 17:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I seem to be involved in an edit war with a new user, KED, which may be the result of some genuine misunderstanding since the term light cone is used loosely in the literature. But what really puzzles me is that KDE cites, not the research literature on warp drives (which I am familiar with) but the sci.physics FAQ entry, which does not even mention local versus global or warp drives, and which I believe is clearly inapplicable to the way that warp drive spacetimes achieve effective superluminal travel. (See my comments in the talk page.) Any feedback/assistance/clarification would be welcome! --- CH (talk) 03:29, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
If you enjoy dispute resolution, and are also very knowledgable in quantum mechanics, particularly quantum measurement, then please note the dispute above, and help out. If you are not good at quantum, or like to shoot off snide remarks, then please do NOT "help out"; we don't need the waters to be stirred any further. Its already a rather long battle. P.S. yes, its another Carl Hewitt intervention. linas 00:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
A split of physics-stubs category has been proposed here. It certainly seems needed, given that there are over 1200 at present. If anyone has an idea of the optimal way of doing this, and especially, roughly how many stubs would be involved in each... Alai 04:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps we also need a category "mathematical physics". Count Iblis 13:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
First off, I set up Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Physics as a redirect because I felt it was a bit inconvenient to have to remember the capital p. Also, I've noticed that computational chemistry is a subcategory of computational physics, which doesn't feel right to me. Anyone else share this opinion? -- Dataphiliac 00:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello physics people, I've just asked for a peer review of manifold. Perhaps some of you would like to take a look.-- MarSch 11:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/A_Toroidal_LHC_ApparatuS. I didn't get much feedback in the peer review, so hopefully people won't be too hard on me there. And yes, I freely admit to being obsessed with writing a good article about my own experiment.. ;) -- SCZenz 22:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I need help to avoid running afoul of the 3RR. There's an anon repeatedly adding psuedoscientific material to electron. I have now asked him to review WP:NOR, and to discuss it on the talk page if he disagreed with my evaluation of the material as original research; I also warned him that further edits without discussion would be considered vandalism. So, if he edits it again, please treat them as exactly that. -- SCZenz 21:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Can someone fix the center of mass/ center of inertia/ center of gravity articles? Two of these terms mean the same thing, but the articles disagree about which. I don't know the answer and see conflicting uses online. — Omegatron 19:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Thought you fellow physics geeks would be among the few to get the humor of Governmentium (created as a user page for easy future deletion). -- Kgf0 23:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Application of tensor theory in physics is a new stub, which I'm thinking about pointing up for deletion. Does anyone want to salvage it? Salsb 00:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
There is already an unimaginable mess of articles about tensors. It's really depressing/daunting. Three more don't even make much difference until someone has a grand vision about how to organize/merge this stuff. -- MarSch 10:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Is anyone maintaining Portal:Physics...? It hasn't been updated in a long time. Should we? -- SCZenz 07:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I notice that alot of the same articles are in Category:Thermodynamics and Category:Statistical mechanics. Is there a distinction between the two cats here on Wikipedia, or should they be merged or one put inside another? Karol 08:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Anyone knows where the subject is mentioned? I just found something about linear elasticity. It is important for me as I will soon start editing about the (entropy-driven) force between the tips of an ideal chain, which will lead me right to introducing non-linear elasticity of polymeric materials ( ideal chain is AFAIK the simplest model that has non-linear elasticity as an emergent property) ThorinMuglindir 09:36, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
OK I looked in my books, and it looks like I had the calculation right. So that it means I was wrong in thinking non-linear elasticity would be an emergent property of the ideal chain model. Which in turn means my need for non-linear elasticity as an article until new types of polymer models are introduced. In order to introduce more polymer models, there are a couple other articles I need to either find or make myself, mainly Van Der Waals Gas, liquid mixes, and the difference between long-range and short-range interactions. Maybe also a bit of electrostatics in solution. But I won't engage in all this until I'm done with what I want to finish on those edits I have begun, so that it's not a very short term project.( ThorinMuglindir 19:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC))
FYI, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philosophical interpretation of classical physics is nominated as original research. linas 14:23, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm just starting to get to know our own Physics Portal, and I noticed there is a new portal, started somewhere in May, a Scientific Method Portal. There is also the Science Portal, of course. So many portals... Karol 12:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
We just need a hierarchy such that science links to the method and physics etc. portals. -- MarSch 13:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
They took intensive from us! We are condemned to using intensive quantity instead.
Intensive is important in statistical mechanics and thermodynamics, and they won't give it back! At least I assume they won't, because at some point I didn't know of the existence of intensive quantity, so I wrote a bit about intensive in physics in the linguistics article, and some linguist said there was no need for what I wrote, as it was already covered in intensive quantity (which btw was wrong, what I wrote had a different meaning from what you can find in intensive quantity). So, not only they won't give it back, but they won't even share it!
But it won't be as easy as they thought 'cause I have a strategy which hopefully will let us regain what is ours... I just need to design the specifics, which should require a small amount of documentation on linguistics (maybe you can help me):
The idea would be to find a key concept of linguistics that they have yet to cover, start an article named after this concept, and give it a physics or pseudo-physics definition, categorizing all that in physics of course. Then, we keep the article in hostage until they give us back intensive! ThorinMuglindir 15:08, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Herald88 has started strange discussion here. Karol 06:48, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
That's my idea for the title of an article that would strive to make it to featured article standard. Since I'm not able to do it all by myself, I just thought I'd come here to share the idea.
The question struck me as one that anyone can feel concerned about, whatever his sex, age, religion, cultural background etc.
Answering it can be done with very few formulas, and offers the opportunity to discuss a few concepts of physics:
And, the question brings many corrolary questions, which can be answered by using the same concepts of physics, and by introducing some other:
I did a short research myself, so that we have 3 relevant physics articles so far, and a general article. The physics ones look quite good actually, and relatively simple as far as concepts are concerned, but I think their jargon is technical enough to repel non-physicists. They are of course far from featured article standard. Feel free to add links to articles you feel relevant.
A Bragg crystal is made up of charged colloids and diffracts in the visible range (rather than X-ray for molecular crystals). The crystalline structure is maintained by electrostatic repulsion, but, if you add some salt into the solution, the repulsion between the colloids is screened and the crystalline structure is replaced by a solution of diffusing colloids. The diffraction fringes vanish, and the solution takes a milky appearance because of light diffusion.
Dynamics in physics is not just relevant to mechanics, but also to diffusion, which can be dynamic and steady-state. I edited the article that disambiguates between music and physics, however that is probably not very satisfactorly. Please let me know here how you edit it if you edit it, I need it for my links. ThorinMuglindir 02:10, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
This "anon" user has added a useless article A_5_minutes_explanation_of_Relativity citing his own cranky website. (Note that the cited website 195.24.39.97 and the IP address of the anon user 212.21.138.161 both are registered in Sofia, Bulgaria.)
Current status: I have initiated an AfD ---16:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
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Hi all. I've been thinking about applying for admin, so that we'd have somebody who's active in the wikiproject and understands the issues that come up who's able to deal with pesky administrative stuff, vandalism, etc. directly. Any thoughts? -- SCZenz 17:22, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I just went to what I would describe as "a lot" of effort to get some decent pictures to illustrate A Toroidal LHC ApparatuS. My question is: how close is the article, currently, to being worthy to put up for featured article status? -- SCZenz 23:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at Stachnikov's triflexian quantum multiplex theorem and Stachnikov. I believe this is outright crankery; I can't find any record of even an actual publication. The biography listed by the author of these articles, User:Lionosmom, is not listed on Amazon, and the terms biflexian, triflexian, and so forth appear to be pure crank terms unknown to physics. The author alleges that Stacknikov has a placque in Red Square. If true, the article needs to be rewritten to accurately portray his lack of scientific notability. If not, the article probably should be nominated for deletion.
Be careful, User:Lionosmon added approving mention of Stachnikov to Albert Einstein, which I deleted.--- CH (talk) 03:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
One general comment about the handling of these articles. As I understand it, claims that nobody seems to have heard of do not have to be "debunked." If they're impossible to verify, that's sufficient to chuck the article. Is that right? -- SCZenz 07:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking that Particle beam weapon might need to be tied into our project in the process of wikification, until I started to read it. IANAP, but it looks largely like hooey to me, either of the pseudoscience or conspiracy theory flavors, perhaps a bit of both, spurred by old SDI stories and the B.E.A.R report cited in Talk. Any of the more knowledgable denizens care to have a look, and perhaps a laugh? -- Kgf0 21:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
The Nobel Prize for Physics was recently awarded to John L. Hall and Theodor W. Hänsch "for their contributions to the development of laser-based precision spectroscopy, including the optical frequency comb technique." Anyone knowledgable enough to start the missing article? I could probably work on the bios once I have time, but I can't begin to guess what OFCT is or does, or whether it even merits an article of its own. -- Kgf0 21:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I feel this stub is redundant, being superseded by Hubble expansion. However, User:Worldtraveller feels there is a distinction between these two terms, and he claims that 'Hubble flow' is a standard term in cosmology with a meaning distinct from 'Hubble expansion' (at least, if I understand his comments correctly). I have requested a citation to a standard cosmology textbook. Can anyone here shed any light? --- CH (talk) 01:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Can a few people take a look at StuRat's recent edits to Wave-particle duality. They look distinctly dodgy and naive to me, but rather than just remove them I thought I'd be tactful and sensitive for once. William M. Connolley 14:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC).
Looking at the particle physics categories, it occurs to me we might benefit from having a Category:Experimental particle physics. It would be in Category:Experimental physics and Category:Particle physics, and contain the accelerator, detector, telescope, and "experimental concepts" categories currently at the top of particle physics. A possible variation would be to get rid of Category:Experimental particle physics concepts and put those articles directly in it. Any thoughts? -- SCZenz 16:29, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Presumably in response to my comments on Talk:Beamline, Scottfisher left the following comment on my talk page:
Do you think maybe we should start a new page on light sources, since beamline is about beamlines, like components on a beam pipe? Maybe include a seperate topic like the end of an accelerator, END STATIONS? Experimental beamlines, as I think that is what you are saying, experimental facility beamlines for users?
I've moved it here because I think it needs wider discussion among experts. I'm not sure anyone would look up light source (which is presently a redir to Light) in that sense who wouldn't already know what one is, so I don't think it's the most useful title; at the same time, I have no counter-suggestion. End stations sounds more like it should be Category:Particle physics experiments or Category:Particle physics facilities, with articles for the notable ones. Being relatively new to the field and a non-physicist, I'm not really sure what the best solution would be here; I just know that the edits I did on Beamline are only a stop-gap - so have some discussion while I go get some coffee. -- Kgf0 16:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
There is even an article on Synchrotron also. Scott 00:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Up for deletion. Maybe worth a look. -- SCZenz 01:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
We've got someone creating sketchy articles on this theory and its creators. I first marked a few of the bios {{ nn-bio}}, but put this one up for AfD. — Laura Scudder | Talk 17:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I seem to be involved in an edit war with a new user, KED, which may be the result of some genuine misunderstanding since the term light cone is used loosely in the literature. But what really puzzles me is that KDE cites, not the research literature on warp drives (which I am familiar with) but the sci.physics FAQ entry, which does not even mention local versus global or warp drives, and which I believe is clearly inapplicable to the way that warp drive spacetimes achieve effective superluminal travel. (See my comments in the talk page.) Any feedback/assistance/clarification would be welcome! --- CH (talk) 03:29, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
If you enjoy dispute resolution, and are also very knowledgable in quantum mechanics, particularly quantum measurement, then please note the dispute above, and help out. If you are not good at quantum, or like to shoot off snide remarks, then please do NOT "help out"; we don't need the waters to be stirred any further. Its already a rather long battle. P.S. yes, its another Carl Hewitt intervention. linas 00:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
A split of physics-stubs category has been proposed here. It certainly seems needed, given that there are over 1200 at present. If anyone has an idea of the optimal way of doing this, and especially, roughly how many stubs would be involved in each... Alai 04:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps we also need a category "mathematical physics". Count Iblis 13:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
First off, I set up Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Physics as a redirect because I felt it was a bit inconvenient to have to remember the capital p. Also, I've noticed that computational chemistry is a subcategory of computational physics, which doesn't feel right to me. Anyone else share this opinion? -- Dataphiliac 00:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello physics people, I've just asked for a peer review of manifold. Perhaps some of you would like to take a look.-- MarSch 11:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/A_Toroidal_LHC_ApparatuS. I didn't get much feedback in the peer review, so hopefully people won't be too hard on me there. And yes, I freely admit to being obsessed with writing a good article about my own experiment.. ;) -- SCZenz 22:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I need help to avoid running afoul of the 3RR. There's an anon repeatedly adding psuedoscientific material to electron. I have now asked him to review WP:NOR, and to discuss it on the talk page if he disagreed with my evaluation of the material as original research; I also warned him that further edits without discussion would be considered vandalism. So, if he edits it again, please treat them as exactly that. -- SCZenz 21:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Can someone fix the center of mass/ center of inertia/ center of gravity articles? Two of these terms mean the same thing, but the articles disagree about which. I don't know the answer and see conflicting uses online. — Omegatron 19:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Thought you fellow physics geeks would be among the few to get the humor of Governmentium (created as a user page for easy future deletion). -- Kgf0 23:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Application of tensor theory in physics is a new stub, which I'm thinking about pointing up for deletion. Does anyone want to salvage it? Salsb 00:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
There is already an unimaginable mess of articles about tensors. It's really depressing/daunting. Three more don't even make much difference until someone has a grand vision about how to organize/merge this stuff. -- MarSch 10:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Is anyone maintaining Portal:Physics...? It hasn't been updated in a long time. Should we? -- SCZenz 07:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I notice that alot of the same articles are in Category:Thermodynamics and Category:Statistical mechanics. Is there a distinction between the two cats here on Wikipedia, or should they be merged or one put inside another? Karol 08:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Anyone knows where the subject is mentioned? I just found something about linear elasticity. It is important for me as I will soon start editing about the (entropy-driven) force between the tips of an ideal chain, which will lead me right to introducing non-linear elasticity of polymeric materials ( ideal chain is AFAIK the simplest model that has non-linear elasticity as an emergent property) ThorinMuglindir 09:36, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
OK I looked in my books, and it looks like I had the calculation right. So that it means I was wrong in thinking non-linear elasticity would be an emergent property of the ideal chain model. Which in turn means my need for non-linear elasticity as an article until new types of polymer models are introduced. In order to introduce more polymer models, there are a couple other articles I need to either find or make myself, mainly Van Der Waals Gas, liquid mixes, and the difference between long-range and short-range interactions. Maybe also a bit of electrostatics in solution. But I won't engage in all this until I'm done with what I want to finish on those edits I have begun, so that it's not a very short term project.( ThorinMuglindir 19:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC))
FYI, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philosophical interpretation of classical physics is nominated as original research. linas 14:23, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm just starting to get to know our own Physics Portal, and I noticed there is a new portal, started somewhere in May, a Scientific Method Portal. There is also the Science Portal, of course. So many portals... Karol 12:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
We just need a hierarchy such that science links to the method and physics etc. portals. -- MarSch 13:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
They took intensive from us! We are condemned to using intensive quantity instead.
Intensive is important in statistical mechanics and thermodynamics, and they won't give it back! At least I assume they won't, because at some point I didn't know of the existence of intensive quantity, so I wrote a bit about intensive in physics in the linguistics article, and some linguist said there was no need for what I wrote, as it was already covered in intensive quantity (which btw was wrong, what I wrote had a different meaning from what you can find in intensive quantity). So, not only they won't give it back, but they won't even share it!
But it won't be as easy as they thought 'cause I have a strategy which hopefully will let us regain what is ours... I just need to design the specifics, which should require a small amount of documentation on linguistics (maybe you can help me):
The idea would be to find a key concept of linguistics that they have yet to cover, start an article named after this concept, and give it a physics or pseudo-physics definition, categorizing all that in physics of course. Then, we keep the article in hostage until they give us back intensive! ThorinMuglindir 15:08, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Herald88 has started strange discussion here. Karol 06:48, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
That's my idea for the title of an article that would strive to make it to featured article standard. Since I'm not able to do it all by myself, I just thought I'd come here to share the idea.
The question struck me as one that anyone can feel concerned about, whatever his sex, age, religion, cultural background etc.
Answering it can be done with very few formulas, and offers the opportunity to discuss a few concepts of physics:
And, the question brings many corrolary questions, which can be answered by using the same concepts of physics, and by introducing some other:
I did a short research myself, so that we have 3 relevant physics articles so far, and a general article. The physics ones look quite good actually, and relatively simple as far as concepts are concerned, but I think their jargon is technical enough to repel non-physicists. They are of course far from featured article standard. Feel free to add links to articles you feel relevant.
A Bragg crystal is made up of charged colloids and diffracts in the visible range (rather than X-ray for molecular crystals). The crystalline structure is maintained by electrostatic repulsion, but, if you add some salt into the solution, the repulsion between the colloids is screened and the crystalline structure is replaced by a solution of diffusing colloids. The diffraction fringes vanish, and the solution takes a milky appearance because of light diffusion.
Dynamics in physics is not just relevant to mechanics, but also to diffusion, which can be dynamic and steady-state. I edited the article that disambiguates between music and physics, however that is probably not very satisfactorly. Please let me know here how you edit it if you edit it, I need it for my links. ThorinMuglindir 02:10, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
This "anon" user has added a useless article A_5_minutes_explanation_of_Relativity citing his own cranky website. (Note that the cited website 195.24.39.97 and the IP address of the anon user 212.21.138.161 both are registered in Sofia, Bulgaria.)
Current status: I have initiated an AfD ---16:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)