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The list of operas on the Handel linker template reads, in part:
Both Esthers link to the same page, and one is a revision of the other. I propose we replace this with
Which seems much more elegant. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 18:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, they're oratorios, and your proposed change looks fine. The Triumph of Time and Truth is another case, this time with three versions (two different titles, too), all in the template and all linking to the same page! -- Guillaume Tell 18:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
We need to decide fairly soon on these. I'm currently in the process of switching to a new computer, so my online time is more limited for the next 10 days or so. Also, I'll be away from 11-24 April. Anyhow, thoughts anyone? Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
If no one has any other suggestions, we could hold over the March CoM (minus the blue links). I now have material for all of the remaining ones, just haven't had the time to write 'em up. I'll continue to work on them regardless, and since I'll be away for a largish chunk of April, I'm happy with any other suggestions. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
One suggestion - Most of the Verdi operas could use work, including La traviata and Il trovatore. Their performance history sections are dire, and the synopses badly need copy-editing. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
It's the 30th. If noone objects in the next few hours, I'm going to implement Voceditenore's suggestions. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 11:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
We need to discuss OotM etc for March fairly urgently. Any ideas, anyone? (I'm having networking problems and can only log in once or twice a day at present). -- Guillaume Tell 18:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Agrippina is a GA. I'd suggest that a strong push to get it to FA as quickly as possible might allow us to have something by Handel on the main page for the anniversary. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 19:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to re-nominate one of my suggestions for February:
Italian composers
Note: Operas marked with * have articles in Grove
It would be good to have choices from an era and a country that are substantially different from the OoM stuff. Handel is not everyone's cup of tea/expertise. Any other suggestions? Remember that the CoM is for creating currently red-linked articles in the Opera corpus. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 15:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I know not everyone here is interested in assessment but I do think for practical reasons our project needs to re-address this issue. For some time now, our motto has been to assess without really assessing (i.e. automatic bot assessments, assessments without written reviews/comments, no formalized process etc.) For this reason, there is really no garauntee that any article's assessment (except for GA/FA articles) is accurate. Since we are now faced with using assessment as a means for selecting articles for the Opera Portal this is now a problem. I think it's time that we clarify our assessment criteria at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Assessment and then put together a task force to at least evaluate all of out B class rated articles. In this way we can confirm the validity of the grade and then start diversifying the featured content at the Portal. The composer project has recently been working on a similar campaign which has been highly successful in my opinion. One other change that I think is essential is the adoption of C-class into our point scale system. I would like to suggest the following point scale:
In my opinion C class is highly useful. There are many articles, such as La bohème, which are clearly not B class but are considerably beyond the typical start article (i.e. Suor Angelica). C class is a great rating for identifying such articles. Please let me know your thoughts everyone. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Since no one has given any nays to the addition of C-class, I am going to go ahead and update the point scale. I suggest that we also add the proviso that B-class articles must adequately meet the standards set at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. That should meet GuillaumeTell's concerns. What all do you think? Nrswanson ( talk) 18:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone recommend good scholarly databases where analysis of an opera can be found? I'd like to start working on Lucia di Lammermoor with the goal of bringing it to FA quality. I did a generic library search but at first glance, I seem to be getting just a lot of reviews of modern performances like the one at the Met. I also found a couple dictionaries of opera but those would be tertiary sources. -- Laser brain (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 01:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
By the way, the El Capitan image is also done and, like the Aida, is at FPC. I'm kind of limited by what's available - there's going to be a bias towards operetta, simply because the sources I'm currently using have mostly operetta images - but I'll do what I can. There's a couple Carmen posters, anyway, and some interesting architectural shots of opera houses. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 21:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, I guess this solves our portal problem, at least to some extent... I'll do Babes in Toyland, The Mascot, and The Ameer, but then I'm going to sit back and insist that someone else does some of this work. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 03:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. §hep Talk 00:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The deletion discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angel Taormina for members who wish to comment. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks. — Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:31, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
This is probably a little premature, but in a week or two I should have an illustrated newspaper, with engravings, discussing the première of Massenet's Le Cid. Would anyone be interested in doing an English translation of the French, and using it to help bulk up said article? It will also have engravings for illustrating the article. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 18:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Would anyone from the opera project like to leave comments on this article's peer review page? The article is being prepared as a possible FA and TFA for the 250th anniversary of Handel's death on 14 April, so time is a bit short. Brianboulton ( talk) 13:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
[Unindent] Sounds like a good plan, and he didn't write a huge number of operas. I'd suggest, though, that we at least improve the main composer article a bit. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 11:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
We need to decide fairly soon on these. I'm currently in the process of switching to a new computer, so my online time is more limited for the next 10 days or so. Also, I'll be away from 11-24 April. Anyhow, thoughts anyone? Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
If no one has any other suggestions, we could hold over the March CoM (minus the blue links). I now have material for all of the remaining ones, just haven't had the time to write 'em up. I'll continue to work on them regardless, and since I'll be away for a largish chunk of April, I'm happy with any other suggestions. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
One suggestion - Most of the Verdi operas could use work, including La traviata and Il trovatore. Their performance history sections are dire, and the synopses badly need copy-editing. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
It's the 30th. If noone objects in the next few hours, I'm going to implement Voceditenore's suggestions. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 11:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone recommend 2-4 books that would help with the upcoming Purcell project? I want to start preparing, but I'm not that familiar with the scholarship as yet, and don't know which books are considered definitive. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 19:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Setting up the new Handel Navbox template took me several hours, and I had to call in outside help at the end - not good, given I made the Opera of the month templates we use here, and so can probably be considered pretty good with templates. To make things a lot easier on anyone following down this path, I'm going to make a simple, fill-in-the-blanks template for setting these up much more easily. Could I get a couple volunteers to try it out (on the composer(s) of their choice) once it's done?
Also, is the Handel template's colours alright for the "default" colours? I'll make it so they can be changed, but it'll be easier on anyone who doesn't know Hexadecimal RGB code (e.g. #FFFFFF=White) if they can just skip that step =) Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 20:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Right! Try out {{ Composer navbox}}, and let me know of any problems. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 22:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
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Archive 75 | ← | Archive 80 | Archive 81 | Archive 82 | Archive 83 | Archive 84 | Archive 85 |
The list of operas on the Handel linker template reads, in part:
Both Esthers link to the same page, and one is a revision of the other. I propose we replace this with
Which seems much more elegant. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 18:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, they're oratorios, and your proposed change looks fine. The Triumph of Time and Truth is another case, this time with three versions (two different titles, too), all in the template and all linking to the same page! -- Guillaume Tell 18:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
We need to decide fairly soon on these. I'm currently in the process of switching to a new computer, so my online time is more limited for the next 10 days or so. Also, I'll be away from 11-24 April. Anyhow, thoughts anyone? Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
If no one has any other suggestions, we could hold over the March CoM (minus the blue links). I now have material for all of the remaining ones, just haven't had the time to write 'em up. I'll continue to work on them regardless, and since I'll be away for a largish chunk of April, I'm happy with any other suggestions. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
One suggestion - Most of the Verdi operas could use work, including La traviata and Il trovatore. Their performance history sections are dire, and the synopses badly need copy-editing. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
It's the 30th. If noone objects in the next few hours, I'm going to implement Voceditenore's suggestions. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 11:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
We need to discuss OotM etc for March fairly urgently. Any ideas, anyone? (I'm having networking problems and can only log in once or twice a day at present). -- Guillaume Tell 18:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Agrippina is a GA. I'd suggest that a strong push to get it to FA as quickly as possible might allow us to have something by Handel on the main page for the anniversary. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 19:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to re-nominate one of my suggestions for February:
Italian composers
Note: Operas marked with * have articles in Grove
It would be good to have choices from an era and a country that are substantially different from the OoM stuff. Handel is not everyone's cup of tea/expertise. Any other suggestions? Remember that the CoM is for creating currently red-linked articles in the Opera corpus. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 15:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I know not everyone here is interested in assessment but I do think for practical reasons our project needs to re-address this issue. For some time now, our motto has been to assess without really assessing (i.e. automatic bot assessments, assessments without written reviews/comments, no formalized process etc.) For this reason, there is really no garauntee that any article's assessment (except for GA/FA articles) is accurate. Since we are now faced with using assessment as a means for selecting articles for the Opera Portal this is now a problem. I think it's time that we clarify our assessment criteria at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Assessment and then put together a task force to at least evaluate all of out B class rated articles. In this way we can confirm the validity of the grade and then start diversifying the featured content at the Portal. The composer project has recently been working on a similar campaign which has been highly successful in my opinion. One other change that I think is essential is the adoption of C-class into our point scale system. I would like to suggest the following point scale:
In my opinion C class is highly useful. There are many articles, such as La bohème, which are clearly not B class but are considerably beyond the typical start article (i.e. Suor Angelica). C class is a great rating for identifying such articles. Please let me know your thoughts everyone. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Since no one has given any nays to the addition of C-class, I am going to go ahead and update the point scale. I suggest that we also add the proviso that B-class articles must adequately meet the standards set at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. That should meet GuillaumeTell's concerns. What all do you think? Nrswanson ( talk) 18:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone recommend good scholarly databases where analysis of an opera can be found? I'd like to start working on Lucia di Lammermoor with the goal of bringing it to FA quality. I did a generic library search but at first glance, I seem to be getting just a lot of reviews of modern performances like the one at the Met. I also found a couple dictionaries of opera but those would be tertiary sources. -- Laser brain (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 01:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
By the way, the El Capitan image is also done and, like the Aida, is at FPC. I'm kind of limited by what's available - there's going to be a bias towards operetta, simply because the sources I'm currently using have mostly operetta images - but I'll do what I can. There's a couple Carmen posters, anyway, and some interesting architectural shots of opera houses. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 21:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, I guess this solves our portal problem, at least to some extent... I'll do Babes in Toyland, The Mascot, and The Ameer, but then I'm going to sit back and insist that someone else does some of this work. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 03:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. §hep Talk 00:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The deletion discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angel Taormina for members who wish to comment. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a notice to let you know about Article alerts, a fully-automated subscription-based news delivery system designed to notify WikiProjects and Taskforces when articles are entering Articles for deletion, Requests for comment, Peer review and other workflows ( full list). The reports are updated on a daily basis, and provide brief summaries of what happened, with relevant links to discussion or results when possible. A certain degree of customization is available; WikiProjects and Taskforces can choose which workflows to include, have individual reports generated for each workflow, have deletion discussion transcluded on the reports, and so on. An example of a customized report can be found here.
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Thanks. — Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:31, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
This is probably a little premature, but in a week or two I should have an illustrated newspaper, with engravings, discussing the première of Massenet's Le Cid. Would anyone be interested in doing an English translation of the French, and using it to help bulk up said article? It will also have engravings for illustrating the article. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 18:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Would anyone from the opera project like to leave comments on this article's peer review page? The article is being prepared as a possible FA and TFA for the 250th anniversary of Handel's death on 14 April, so time is a bit short. Brianboulton ( talk) 13:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
[Unindent] Sounds like a good plan, and he didn't write a huge number of operas. I'd suggest, though, that we at least improve the main composer article a bit. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 11:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
We need to decide fairly soon on these. I'm currently in the process of switching to a new computer, so my online time is more limited for the next 10 days or so. Also, I'll be away from 11-24 April. Anyhow, thoughts anyone? Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
If no one has any other suggestions, we could hold over the March CoM (minus the blue links). I now have material for all of the remaining ones, just haven't had the time to write 'em up. I'll continue to work on them regardless, and since I'll be away for a largish chunk of April, I'm happy with any other suggestions. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
One suggestion - Most of the Verdi operas could use work, including La traviata and Il trovatore. Their performance history sections are dire, and the synopses badly need copy-editing. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
It's the 30th. If noone objects in the next few hours, I'm going to implement Voceditenore's suggestions. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 11:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone recommend 2-4 books that would help with the upcoming Purcell project? I want to start preparing, but I'm not that familiar with the scholarship as yet, and don't know which books are considered definitive. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 19:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Setting up the new Handel Navbox template took me several hours, and I had to call in outside help at the end - not good, given I made the Opera of the month templates we use here, and so can probably be considered pretty good with templates. To make things a lot easier on anyone following down this path, I'm going to make a simple, fill-in-the-blanks template for setting these up much more easily. Could I get a couple volunteers to try it out (on the composer(s) of their choice) once it's done?
Also, is the Handel template's colours alright for the "default" colours? I'll make it so they can be changed, but it'll be easier on anyone who doesn't know Hexadecimal RGB code (e.g. #FFFFFF=White) if they can just skip that step =) Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 20:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Right! Try out {{ Composer navbox}}, and let me know of any problems. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 22:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)