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Just stumbled across this one. Probably needs some cleanup - opera director is a redirect to this list, for one thing, when an "opera director" article strikes me as being quite valid on its own. Apart from that, the list needs updating and policing. We need to make a decision - are we going to try to make it exhaustive, or turn it into List of important opera directors and come up with some criteria for inclusion? Moreschi ( talk) 22:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, renaming it to List of important opera directors probably would open Pandora's box of worms (to mix a metaphor). But we ought to decide whether it needs special criteria for inclusion or is one which simply lists opera directors who are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article (or deserve one). Personally, I'd go for the latter. There aren't vast numbers of Opera directors running around, unlike singers and composers. I doubt if it will need too much policing. It's not like 2nd-rate and/or barely notable singers and composers who are liberally added to all kinds of "distinguished" lists, e.g. Daniel Hambly being added right up there with Sir Geraint Evans and Hans Hotter in the list of prominent bass-baritones. [1]. I also think a dedicated article on opera directors would be a very good idea. There is one related article linked on the list page - Regietheater. In my view it's rather POV and at the moment, seems to be largely taken from one source. Voceditenore ( talk) 08:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good. So, opera director needs to become an independant article, Regietheater needs some clean up, and List of opera directors becomes a (possibly annotated?) inclusive list of opera directors who have Wikipedia biographies, or will have them in the future. Moreschi ( talk) 13:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help find sources in connection with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lords of Thannhausen? DGG ( talk) 22:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Have any of you ever heard of an opera called Soirée? I heard mention of it in a biography on Thomas Schippers. I know it played at the Met in 1955 and 1956 but I can't find anything else about it, including the name of the composer. Nrswanson ( talk) 19:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I came across an opera by Verdi that i had never heard of in the Met database called Vittorio. Have any of you heard of it? It was performed in 1954 and 1955 at the Met. Nrswanson ( talk) 22:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure. There were six performances of the opera (in a double billing with Strauss' Salome), the first being on December 15, 1954. The roles were as follows:
I hope that helps. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I think I have worked out how to reduce this box from three months' advance programming to two months. Is this still regarded as a good idea? -- Kleinzach ( talk) 23:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
This template has recently been created. See Composers Project. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 00:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If there's someone here who doesn't have a subscription to The Opera Critic web site, could you please test this link for me and tell me what you get? I tried logging myself out to test it, but it doesn't seem to want me to log out. The reason I ask is that a new editor Theoperacritic has added external links to the pages on the site devoted to a particular singer on about a dozen singer articles here. But the site is subscription only ($36 a year) and generally inaccessible beyond the front page to non-subscribers. They may have made an exception for those particular singer pages, but if they can't be accessed unless people pay up, then the links should be removed. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 06:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Latest news... Theoperacritic has been indefinitely blocked for spamming his/her own web site and having a user name which is the name of a commericial web site. Eventually the links were added to over 60 articles on opera singers and companies, and adminstrators have now reverted them all. I suspect the editor didn't quite understand about Wikipedia's definition of spamming, but these links would have definitely increased traffic to The Opera Critic which carries advertising and has paid subscriptions for much of the content. Even so, it's a pity. They were very useful for sourcing current productions and singers. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
In response to some conversations we've been having recently, I've made a template for a Welcome to the Opera Project box, see Template:Opera welcome. Please suggest any necessary improvements. I'll be putting it on the talk pages of participants who had recently joined and would be particularly interested in their feedback.
The box can be recreated using the following code: {{Opera welcome}}
I'd also be really grateful if someone can tell me how to include a signature (for the person posting the welcome)! -- Kleinzach ( talk) 02:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to weigh in on the edit war that's going on there? -- GuillaumeTell ( talk) 09:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm very troubled by a recent post on the Luciano Pavarotti talk page by a member of this project in regard to this - I have replied quite extensively there and invite interested parties to comment. Exxolon ( talk) 21:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The infobox issue has been referred to the WikiProject Council, see Inappropiate Ownership Attempts. This really relates to the Classical music project, however the Opera Project is specifically mentioned. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 01:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC) --- N.B. This was started by someone at Cambridge University using two different anonymous IPs. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest re-wording the infobox guideline to emphasise that the consensus also reflects that of the Classical Music and Composer Projects. I also think it would be a good idea to state the reasons a little more clearly and to remove the second paragraph which is not only out-of-date, but can also be perceived as unfriendly. My suggestion for replacing the current material (based on an amalgam of the statements by the other two projects as well as the Visual Arts project who also don't really like them):
Comments? Voceditenore ( talk) 10:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Model ammended Voceditenore ( talk) 10:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Should I go ahead and change the wording on the project page accordingly? Voceditenore ( talk) 12:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that we have a WikiProject Opera newsletter. Nothing 444 20:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a load of links to reliable online sources in my "workshop". I periodically point some of them out here, but then they get lost when this page get archived. Would people find it useful if I made an OP sub-page "Online opera research" where these could be gathered all in one place, along with tips on searching newspaper archives, Google books, etc.? Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 07:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
My finished draft for Online opera research is here. Don't be scared by the photo. It's just there to keep me amused while I work.;-) Obviously I (or any other member) can add further sources as we find them once the page is up and running. Comments? Suggestions? I guess it's eventual address would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Online opera research? Also could someone test a couple of the Opera Critic links there to make sure they still work for non-subscribers. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 10:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we make the page as prominent as possible. Perhaps this implies a new main section? Called 'Guides'? Maybe combined with the 'Images and fair use' section? (We can also mention the page in the 'Welcome' box.) -- Kleinzach ( talk) 23:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
OK. I've published the new page (taking into account the above suggestions) at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Online research. I've provisionally linked it:
Obviously, the linking and placing on the page can be changed. But I thought it was at least important to get it up and reasonably prominently linked. If we ever decide to do re-structuring to have a separate "Guides" section, it can always be moved. But frankly, I'd leave well enough alone. ;-) Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 11:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello all. The new opera article assessments are not populating the subcategories at Category:Opera articles by quality (except for the stubs). Is this a coding problem, or is there some reason that the Opera project doesn't want the articles to populate the categories? Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
There is no coding problem. This relates to past decisions of the project. Thanks for the offer, but in any case we'll be discussing our sytem with the very able person who set it up for us in the next week or so. We have more than 4,000 articles so this has to be done carefully - and in line with the wishes of the project participants.-- Kleinzach ( talk) 00:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I have put this one up for deletion at at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kazuhiro Ito. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 13:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This used to be a rather limited article. Cricketgirl has now done a great job in translating additional material from the long German wiki article, so the page is now ready for (considerable) editing and reorganization. Best. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 23:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello folks. I just created this page on La cambiale di matrimonio. The only reason that I am advertising this fact is that this is the first Wikipedia article that I have ever created. I am very much interested in Opera and would like to participate in this Wikiproject. I have access to Grove Music Online, which may help. Since I have never created a page before on Wikipedia, I encourage you to please point out to me what I did wrong so I can avoid mistakes in the future.
It's just a stub right now. I am working on a synopsis and more background concerning this opera. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 01:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the help and the suggestions. I have added Roles and Synopsis sections to the page. I will probably look into researching some of those other pages you need added when done with this one. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 02:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Demetrio e Polibio has been created as well. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 04:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 45 | ← | Archive 49 | Archive 50 | Archive 51 | Archive 52 | Archive 53 | → | Archive 55 |
Just stumbled across this one. Probably needs some cleanup - opera director is a redirect to this list, for one thing, when an "opera director" article strikes me as being quite valid on its own. Apart from that, the list needs updating and policing. We need to make a decision - are we going to try to make it exhaustive, or turn it into List of important opera directors and come up with some criteria for inclusion? Moreschi ( talk) 22:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, renaming it to List of important opera directors probably would open Pandora's box of worms (to mix a metaphor). But we ought to decide whether it needs special criteria for inclusion or is one which simply lists opera directors who are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article (or deserve one). Personally, I'd go for the latter. There aren't vast numbers of Opera directors running around, unlike singers and composers. I doubt if it will need too much policing. It's not like 2nd-rate and/or barely notable singers and composers who are liberally added to all kinds of "distinguished" lists, e.g. Daniel Hambly being added right up there with Sir Geraint Evans and Hans Hotter in the list of prominent bass-baritones. [1]. I also think a dedicated article on opera directors would be a very good idea. There is one related article linked on the list page - Regietheater. In my view it's rather POV and at the moment, seems to be largely taken from one source. Voceditenore ( talk) 08:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good. So, opera director needs to become an independant article, Regietheater needs some clean up, and List of opera directors becomes a (possibly annotated?) inclusive list of opera directors who have Wikipedia biographies, or will have them in the future. Moreschi ( talk) 13:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help find sources in connection with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lords of Thannhausen? DGG ( talk) 22:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Have any of you ever heard of an opera called Soirée? I heard mention of it in a biography on Thomas Schippers. I know it played at the Met in 1955 and 1956 but I can't find anything else about it, including the name of the composer. Nrswanson ( talk) 19:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I came across an opera by Verdi that i had never heard of in the Met database called Vittorio. Have any of you heard of it? It was performed in 1954 and 1955 at the Met. Nrswanson ( talk) 22:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure. There were six performances of the opera (in a double billing with Strauss' Salome), the first being on December 15, 1954. The roles were as follows:
I hope that helps. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I think I have worked out how to reduce this box from three months' advance programming to two months. Is this still regarded as a good idea? -- Kleinzach ( talk) 23:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
This template has recently been created. See Composers Project. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 00:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If there's someone here who doesn't have a subscription to The Opera Critic web site, could you please test this link for me and tell me what you get? I tried logging myself out to test it, but it doesn't seem to want me to log out. The reason I ask is that a new editor Theoperacritic has added external links to the pages on the site devoted to a particular singer on about a dozen singer articles here. But the site is subscription only ($36 a year) and generally inaccessible beyond the front page to non-subscribers. They may have made an exception for those particular singer pages, but if they can't be accessed unless people pay up, then the links should be removed. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 06:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Latest news... Theoperacritic has been indefinitely blocked for spamming his/her own web site and having a user name which is the name of a commericial web site. Eventually the links were added to over 60 articles on opera singers and companies, and adminstrators have now reverted them all. I suspect the editor didn't quite understand about Wikipedia's definition of spamming, but these links would have definitely increased traffic to The Opera Critic which carries advertising and has paid subscriptions for much of the content. Even so, it's a pity. They were very useful for sourcing current productions and singers. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
In response to some conversations we've been having recently, I've made a template for a Welcome to the Opera Project box, see Template:Opera welcome. Please suggest any necessary improvements. I'll be putting it on the talk pages of participants who had recently joined and would be particularly interested in their feedback.
The box can be recreated using the following code: {{Opera welcome}}
I'd also be really grateful if someone can tell me how to include a signature (for the person posting the welcome)! -- Kleinzach ( talk) 02:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to weigh in on the edit war that's going on there? -- GuillaumeTell ( talk) 09:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm very troubled by a recent post on the Luciano Pavarotti talk page by a member of this project in regard to this - I have replied quite extensively there and invite interested parties to comment. Exxolon ( talk) 21:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The infobox issue has been referred to the WikiProject Council, see Inappropiate Ownership Attempts. This really relates to the Classical music project, however the Opera Project is specifically mentioned. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 01:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC) --- N.B. This was started by someone at Cambridge University using two different anonymous IPs. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest re-wording the infobox guideline to emphasise that the consensus also reflects that of the Classical Music and Composer Projects. I also think it would be a good idea to state the reasons a little more clearly and to remove the second paragraph which is not only out-of-date, but can also be perceived as unfriendly. My suggestion for replacing the current material (based on an amalgam of the statements by the other two projects as well as the Visual Arts project who also don't really like them):
Comments? Voceditenore ( talk) 10:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Model ammended Voceditenore ( talk) 10:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Should I go ahead and change the wording on the project page accordingly? Voceditenore ( talk) 12:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that we have a WikiProject Opera newsletter. Nothing 444 20:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a load of links to reliable online sources in my "workshop". I periodically point some of them out here, but then they get lost when this page get archived. Would people find it useful if I made an OP sub-page "Online opera research" where these could be gathered all in one place, along with tips on searching newspaper archives, Google books, etc.? Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 07:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
My finished draft for Online opera research is here. Don't be scared by the photo. It's just there to keep me amused while I work.;-) Obviously I (or any other member) can add further sources as we find them once the page is up and running. Comments? Suggestions? I guess it's eventual address would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Online opera research? Also could someone test a couple of the Opera Critic links there to make sure they still work for non-subscribers. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 10:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we make the page as prominent as possible. Perhaps this implies a new main section? Called 'Guides'? Maybe combined with the 'Images and fair use' section? (We can also mention the page in the 'Welcome' box.) -- Kleinzach ( talk) 23:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
OK. I've published the new page (taking into account the above suggestions) at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Online research. I've provisionally linked it:
Obviously, the linking and placing on the page can be changed. But I thought it was at least important to get it up and reasonably prominently linked. If we ever decide to do re-structuring to have a separate "Guides" section, it can always be moved. But frankly, I'd leave well enough alone. ;-) Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 11:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello all. The new opera article assessments are not populating the subcategories at Category:Opera articles by quality (except for the stubs). Is this a coding problem, or is there some reason that the Opera project doesn't want the articles to populate the categories? Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
There is no coding problem. This relates to past decisions of the project. Thanks for the offer, but in any case we'll be discussing our sytem with the very able person who set it up for us in the next week or so. We have more than 4,000 articles so this has to be done carefully - and in line with the wishes of the project participants.-- Kleinzach ( talk) 00:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I have put this one up for deletion at at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kazuhiro Ito. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 13:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This used to be a rather limited article. Cricketgirl has now done a great job in translating additional material from the long German wiki article, so the page is now ready for (considerable) editing and reorganization. Best. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 23:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello folks. I just created this page on La cambiale di matrimonio. The only reason that I am advertising this fact is that this is the first Wikipedia article that I have ever created. I am very much interested in Opera and would like to participate in this Wikiproject. I have access to Grove Music Online, which may help. Since I have never created a page before on Wikipedia, I encourage you to please point out to me what I did wrong so I can avoid mistakes in the future.
It's just a stub right now. I am working on a synopsis and more background concerning this opera. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 01:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the help and the suggestions. I have added Roles and Synopsis sections to the page. I will probably look into researching some of those other pages you need added when done with this one. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 02:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Demetrio e Polibio has been created as well. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 04:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)