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I was just wondering what year this opera should be put under on the table of Rossini operas. The opera was composed in 1817 but didn't premier until nine years later in 1826. Which year should be used on the table? Nrswanson ( talk) 05:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I've nominated Category:Prima donnas for deletion: see [1]. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 16:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Our previous attempt to decide this was inconclusive (see here). I suggest extending Rossini for another month. There is still a lot of work to do on his operas. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I'd prefer to keep Rossini for March as well. There's still a lot of work to be done, and I should be able to contribute more to it now. (I got sidelined this month sorting out a complete hash that someone had made of articles about Telemann's works). It would be good to follow through on the Rossini 'project'. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Provided we want to continue SoM, I'd like to make a strong plea for having GuillaumeTell's red-linked Rossini role creators for March. It would add a lot to articles on Rossini operas that we already have and would be complementary to the February's CoM. Plus I love Rossini.;-) Voceditenore ( talk) 09:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm trying to get a list of all FA-class articles covered by this and similar WikiProjects. I found Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera#Featured articles/Featured lists (I removed Porgy and Bess, which got demoted a week or so ago) and Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers#Featured articles (but nothing for Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music), but I'm not sure if those lists are up-to-date. For example, Beijing opera is not on that list. I'm trying to pick out the classical music and opera articles (and more 'high brow' articles) from the popular culture music articles at Wikipedia:FA#Music. I normally use the relevant subcategories of Category:FA-Class articles, but I don't think the Opera, Composers, or Classical Music wikiprojects use an assessment scheme. So I'm asking here if this list complete? Beijing opera (missing from the opera list), Concerto delle donne, Rebecca Helferich Clarke, Guqin, Blues, Himno Nacional Mexicano, My Belarusy, National Anthem of Russia, Josquin des Prez, Witold Lutosławski, Olivier Messiaen, Mor lam, Leo Ornstein (missing from the composers list), Dmitri Shostakovich, Sonatas and Interludes, Sylvia (ballet), Symphony No. 3 (Górecki), Joseph Szigeti, Thespis (opera) (missing from the opera list), Tōru Takemitsu. I've updated the lists where I can, and made a new section for the Classical Music wikiproject, but I may have missed some - if others could help make sure this is all up-to-date, that would be great. Thanks. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
In the cause of singer cat reform, I've put 19 cats up for merging to avoid over-categorization - in this case of the baritones. They are all triple attribute cats (nationality/genre/vocal range). AFAIK all the other categories have two attributes. The cfm is here. Thanks. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Just letting you know, on 25 February 2008, "Did you know?" was updated with a fact from the article on opera singer Rosemary Kuhlmann. I would like to encourage you all to nominate your articles for main page entries like these to give opera articles more exposure to the rest of the community. Thanks all. Nrswanson ( talk) 20:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that in the case of several foreign opera companies there has been a tendancy to contain the opera company under the heading of the theatre or venue in which the company performs. An example would be the Bolshoi Opera which is under the wikipedia page Bolshoi Theatre. I personally find this to be confusing and would prefer to make seperate articles for the actual physical building and the opera company in such cases. I was wondering what you all think? Nrswanson ( talk) 22:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Well I personally think it would make more sense to split all of them unless it is customary to refer to the opera company by the name of the theatre in Europe. Particularly since the theatres often host ballet and orchestra performances in many cases and are not just home to the opera company. Nrswanson ( talk) 09:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Well per Voceditenore comments I guess splitting would not always be beneficial and it appears each case will have to be reviewed individually. I will say though that most of these articles are confusing and don't clearly distinguish between the actual phyiscal building and the company itself which I think doesn't read well to those who are not familiar with the practice of associating a theatre with a company (a practice not common in the US). If the pages are to remain as they are than perhaps we should start making them more clear. This is an encyclopedia and many people aren't as educated in the practices of the opera world. Perhaps if we set up a standard format to these pages it would solve some problems. I would suggest an opening that clearly explains that the title is synonymous with the name of the opera company or the home of the company. And then a section on the actual history of the physical building. Then a section on the actual opera company and it's performance history up to present day. That could be followed by seperate histories on the ballet, etc. Of course, if it makes more sense to integrate them into a singular history than that is fine as well. But right now, many of the pages are confusing and they have a lot of information gaps in them. That was really why I wanted to seperate the companies from the theatres, to foster better pages about the actual artists and artistic achievements at the various opera houses, including not only historical information but also notable current events. Nrswanson ( talk) 00:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Articles considered for deletion that may benefit from a review by one or more members of this WikiProject.
(I am placing this request on the talk page, unsure where to list within the project.) Thank you. ♫ Cricket02 ( talk) 08:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The 'To do' lists are once again being compiled by the bot. If all goes well they will be updated once a week from now on.
Here is a (very) short list of articles needing verification:
Iris (opera),
Mariana Nicolescu,
Stefano Benedetto Pallavicini,
Roy Cornelius Smith,
Lyric Opera of Chicago,
Pol Plançon,
Vinson Cole,
Helen Phillips,
Les mamelles de Tirésias. --
Kleinzach (
talk)
15:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I notice that the article on baritone Charles Santley has been greatly expanded recently. Could someone interested in British Opera please take a look? All the best, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Any ideas? Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643-1704) was suggested by Folantin but there are few of his operas needing articles and his obvious companion, Lully, has already been covered. (Any other possible combinations with Charpentier?) How about Johann Strauss II (11 red-linked works), or early Singspiele composers? -- Kleinzach ( talk) 04:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone here heard (or heard of) any of the Johann Strauss II redlinked operas? I certainly haven't. The words "scraping the barrel" are forming in my mind, and I am beginning to wonder whether "composer of the month" is what we ought to be doing. Three points:
-- GuillaumeTell ( talk) 17:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The standard we have used in the past is an entry in Grove or Viking etc. If an opera has a lesser profile then there is much point in starting an article. (From time to time misguided editors try to transfer complete lists of operas from composers' biography pages to The opera corpus and this may have happened with Johann Strauss II.) Nevertheless we still have hundreds of 'bona fide' red links waiting for articles. Stubs on even relatively obscure operas generally develop after the CotM treatment and the prominent box has also served as an advertisement for our work. Having said all that if we can't agree on how to pursue this (for example this month with Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643-1704) and André Campra (1660–1744) - a viable combination in my view) we should end 'Composer of the Month'. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Last call: any objections to Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643-1704) and André Campra (1660–1744) for April or other suggestions. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 06:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I have put Daniel Hambly up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Hambly. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 12:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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Archive 45 | ← | Archive 48 | Archive 49 | Archive 50 | Archive 51 | Archive 52 | → | Archive 55 |
I was just wondering what year this opera should be put under on the table of Rossini operas. The opera was composed in 1817 but didn't premier until nine years later in 1826. Which year should be used on the table? Nrswanson ( talk) 05:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I've nominated Category:Prima donnas for deletion: see [1]. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 16:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Our previous attempt to decide this was inconclusive (see here). I suggest extending Rossini for another month. There is still a lot of work to do on his operas. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I'd prefer to keep Rossini for March as well. There's still a lot of work to be done, and I should be able to contribute more to it now. (I got sidelined this month sorting out a complete hash that someone had made of articles about Telemann's works). It would be good to follow through on the Rossini 'project'. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Provided we want to continue SoM, I'd like to make a strong plea for having GuillaumeTell's red-linked Rossini role creators for March. It would add a lot to articles on Rossini operas that we already have and would be complementary to the February's CoM. Plus I love Rossini.;-) Voceditenore ( talk) 09:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm trying to get a list of all FA-class articles covered by this and similar WikiProjects. I found Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera#Featured articles/Featured lists (I removed Porgy and Bess, which got demoted a week or so ago) and Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers#Featured articles (but nothing for Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music), but I'm not sure if those lists are up-to-date. For example, Beijing opera is not on that list. I'm trying to pick out the classical music and opera articles (and more 'high brow' articles) from the popular culture music articles at Wikipedia:FA#Music. I normally use the relevant subcategories of Category:FA-Class articles, but I don't think the Opera, Composers, or Classical Music wikiprojects use an assessment scheme. So I'm asking here if this list complete? Beijing opera (missing from the opera list), Concerto delle donne, Rebecca Helferich Clarke, Guqin, Blues, Himno Nacional Mexicano, My Belarusy, National Anthem of Russia, Josquin des Prez, Witold Lutosławski, Olivier Messiaen, Mor lam, Leo Ornstein (missing from the composers list), Dmitri Shostakovich, Sonatas and Interludes, Sylvia (ballet), Symphony No. 3 (Górecki), Joseph Szigeti, Thespis (opera) (missing from the opera list), Tōru Takemitsu. I've updated the lists where I can, and made a new section for the Classical Music wikiproject, but I may have missed some - if others could help make sure this is all up-to-date, that would be great. Thanks. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
In the cause of singer cat reform, I've put 19 cats up for merging to avoid over-categorization - in this case of the baritones. They are all triple attribute cats (nationality/genre/vocal range). AFAIK all the other categories have two attributes. The cfm is here. Thanks. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Just letting you know, on 25 February 2008, "Did you know?" was updated with a fact from the article on opera singer Rosemary Kuhlmann. I would like to encourage you all to nominate your articles for main page entries like these to give opera articles more exposure to the rest of the community. Thanks all. Nrswanson ( talk) 20:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that in the case of several foreign opera companies there has been a tendancy to contain the opera company under the heading of the theatre or venue in which the company performs. An example would be the Bolshoi Opera which is under the wikipedia page Bolshoi Theatre. I personally find this to be confusing and would prefer to make seperate articles for the actual physical building and the opera company in such cases. I was wondering what you all think? Nrswanson ( talk) 22:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Well I personally think it would make more sense to split all of them unless it is customary to refer to the opera company by the name of the theatre in Europe. Particularly since the theatres often host ballet and orchestra performances in many cases and are not just home to the opera company. Nrswanson ( talk) 09:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Well per Voceditenore comments I guess splitting would not always be beneficial and it appears each case will have to be reviewed individually. I will say though that most of these articles are confusing and don't clearly distinguish between the actual phyiscal building and the company itself which I think doesn't read well to those who are not familiar with the practice of associating a theatre with a company (a practice not common in the US). If the pages are to remain as they are than perhaps we should start making them more clear. This is an encyclopedia and many people aren't as educated in the practices of the opera world. Perhaps if we set up a standard format to these pages it would solve some problems. I would suggest an opening that clearly explains that the title is synonymous with the name of the opera company or the home of the company. And then a section on the actual history of the physical building. Then a section on the actual opera company and it's performance history up to present day. That could be followed by seperate histories on the ballet, etc. Of course, if it makes more sense to integrate them into a singular history than that is fine as well. But right now, many of the pages are confusing and they have a lot of information gaps in them. That was really why I wanted to seperate the companies from the theatres, to foster better pages about the actual artists and artistic achievements at the various opera houses, including not only historical information but also notable current events. Nrswanson ( talk) 00:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Articles considered for deletion that may benefit from a review by one or more members of this WikiProject.
(I am placing this request on the talk page, unsure where to list within the project.) Thank you. ♫ Cricket02 ( talk) 08:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The 'To do' lists are once again being compiled by the bot. If all goes well they will be updated once a week from now on.
Here is a (very) short list of articles needing verification:
Iris (opera),
Mariana Nicolescu,
Stefano Benedetto Pallavicini,
Roy Cornelius Smith,
Lyric Opera of Chicago,
Pol Plançon,
Vinson Cole,
Helen Phillips,
Les mamelles de Tirésias. --
Kleinzach (
talk)
15:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I notice that the article on baritone Charles Santley has been greatly expanded recently. Could someone interested in British Opera please take a look? All the best, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Any ideas? Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643-1704) was suggested by Folantin but there are few of his operas needing articles and his obvious companion, Lully, has already been covered. (Any other possible combinations with Charpentier?) How about Johann Strauss II (11 red-linked works), or early Singspiele composers? -- Kleinzach ( talk) 04:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone here heard (or heard of) any of the Johann Strauss II redlinked operas? I certainly haven't. The words "scraping the barrel" are forming in my mind, and I am beginning to wonder whether "composer of the month" is what we ought to be doing. Three points:
-- GuillaumeTell ( talk) 17:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The standard we have used in the past is an entry in Grove or Viking etc. If an opera has a lesser profile then there is much point in starting an article. (From time to time misguided editors try to transfer complete lists of operas from composers' biography pages to The opera corpus and this may have happened with Johann Strauss II.) Nevertheless we still have hundreds of 'bona fide' red links waiting for articles. Stubs on even relatively obscure operas generally develop after the CotM treatment and the prominent box has also served as an advertisement for our work. Having said all that if we can't agree on how to pursue this (for example this month with Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643-1704) and André Campra (1660–1744) - a viable combination in my view) we should end 'Composer of the Month'. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 09:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Last call: any objections to Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643-1704) and André Campra (1660–1744) for April or other suggestions. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 06:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I have put Daniel Hambly up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Hambly. -- Kleinzach ( talk) 12:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)