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Smerus has put in a strong request for Charles Gounod (1818-1893) and there's also been interest in Gioachino Rossini (1792-1868).
Here are some other candidates:
Past CotMs: Auber, Bellini, Donizetti, Dvořák, Gluck, Grétry, Handel, Hans Werner Henze, Janáček, Lully, Leoncavallo, Mascagni, Meyerbeer, Mozart, Offenbach, Rameau, Sacchini, Salieri, Sarti, Smetana, Verdi, Weber - also 'American' and 'Women composers'. with the following coming up: Cavalli, Haydn, Krenek and Weill. This adds up to 9 Italians, 9 Austrian-Germans, 5 Belgian-French and 3 Czechs so far.
Comments? Ideas? Votes? Ideally one each rather than multiple selections! -- Kleinzach 01:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry, I am a bit upset right now. I need some advice or comment from all of you. I have received 2 photos from Mr. Domingo office so far (the PR says she will send 2 or 3 more later in 2-3 days). I uploaded the photos in WikiCommons with remarks “for promotional purpose”. Actually I didn’t know what to write, I followed some sample I see in some of the photos uploaded in here. When I wrote an e-mail to Mr. Domingo’s PR, I introduced myself as one of the authors in Wikipedia (also mentioned “we” as in us, in Project opera) and asking for written permission and their approved photos to be published in Wiki “Groups” aka all the “Wiki”. The PR given me the permission based on that request. After uploading the photos in Wikicommons, the admin responded fast by suggesting it to be deleted with reason, it is for promotional without asking me why I wrote it that way – as I said I didn’t know what to write actually! May I knw what actually the policy in wikicommons? The permission given is for all the WIKI family! It was so damn hard for me to convince Mr. Domingo’s PR to giveaway his photos with permission and now all the efforts just gone down the drain. I don’t want to ask Wikicommons admin the detail because it just piss me off. I moved the photos in Wiki now. May I know what actually I have done wrong in Wiki Commons or how to correct it? I would prefer for the photos to be in Wiki commons than in here. - Jay 08:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Since the author has repeatedly removed the non-notability tags and then the PROD tag (placed by another editor), I have put Sarah Kraus on AfD. Please contest this if you can demonstrate notability. Perhaps I'm missing something. Voceditenore 00:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it time to delete the 'WikiProject Opera Work in Progress' box on the main project page? The adoption system isn't working and the box hasn't been updated since April. Unlike Composer of the Month (and the Can you help?/Can you translate? sections) this feature has never been much of a success. Shall we get rid of it? -- Kleinzach 01:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
For those of you who were following the discussion about Harolyn Blackwell's voice type ages ago, you will remember that I e-mailed Harolyn Blackwell to ask her what she considers her voice type to be. Well I recieved a reply from her representative Peter Greer, who answers her e-mails, and he told me that she considers herself to be a lyric coloratura. My question is whether or not this e-mail constitutes as a valid source. I have made no changes to the article yet. Nrswanson 13:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Kleinzach suggested that I post a request here - I've done so also in the Bio Project page, but no takers yet. Over at Kathleen Battle there's been a discussion over the better part of 2007 regarding the brief section of her bio discussing her firing from the Met in 1994. The section has gone back and forth in editing, and the discussion can be seen here [ [1]], although as Kleinzach points out it is difficult to follow since some participants failed to sign their comments. Essentially, there are those (including myself) who think the discussion of the event is best limited to the fact of her termination and the press statements at the time issued by Ms. Battle and the man who fired her, Joseph Volpe. Others believe that in order to achieve NPOV it is necessary to include the reported views of James Levine, or (even more attenuated in my view) the opinion of such individuals such as the present Met general manager Peter Gelb, who was not affiliated with the Met in 1994. Still others have repeatedly added unsupported characterizations of Ms. Battle as "gracious", etc., to this section. It would be nice to stop the edit "battles" (pun intended) and achieve a stable bio entry. Is there anyone with an inclination to give some time to the resolution of this issue? Thanks very much. NickInBigD (Hey!) 15:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bring this up again. But after the discussion here this article still contains both the original text and an uncredited translation. The libretto is still in copyright (© Riccordi 1926 renewed 1954.) I personally think it should be removed and replaced by selected quotes of the key lines. Comments? Voceditenore 06:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The translation has been there for quite sometime, way back from 2006. It has been edited again and again by various users to "correct the English". I think it is no longer considered as copying from any sites. - Jay 13:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I've had a message from Tony Kaye, the person using the User:Rplowright id, saying that some of the information is wrong. I'm encouraging him to take up the conversation in the article talk page.-- Peter cohen 19:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Some of us have been talking about starting a new feature called 'Singer of the Month', similar to 'Composer of the Month'. For the past couple of years we have concentrated on coverage of opera composers and operas. While most articles remain relatively short we have now developed a framework for what will eventually be (in about 5 years!) the most substantial source for opera in the English language.
Perhaps now is the time to look at the articles on singers and try to bring them up to the same standard as the opera composers and operas? Perhaps having a regular 'Singer of the Month' will help do this, while attracting new members to the project?
Any comments, opinions about how this would be managed? Would 'Singer of the Month' concentrate on improving the quality of the articles on the most famous singers? Or be used to create new articles on neglected ones? How should it be organized? Is anyone willing to start the necessary discussions and shepherd the thing along? -- Kleinzach 23:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I'd be in favour of a trial period. Since tomorrow is the start of a new month, we could try this for October:
The singers of the month are the baritones Antonio Tamburini, Victor Maurel and Dmitri Hvorostovsky
- Antonio Tamburini needs expansion and currently has no references.
- Victor Maurel is a stub.
- Dmitri Hvorostovsky needs expansion, copy-editing and additional verifiable, independent references.
I also noticed that the Project's guidance on Article Ranking only has one example of a singer article and that's at stub class. I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to have one singer article added as an example in each of the other classes (where possible). I think it would help new-comers and even old hands who may not have worked much on singer articles before. Best, Voceditenore 11:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Kleinzach wrote: "One advantage of having a 'theme' is that it can be debated (to generate interest)" Ah, I see what you mean. OK. How about 'Great Verdi baritones'. Possibilities, all of whose articles could use work to varying degrees: Renato Bruson, Ettore Bastianini, Tito Gobbi. And Felice Varesi, who created the roles of Macbeth, Rigoletto and Germont. Or, we could link it to November's CoM - 'Famous interpeters of Kurt Weill'. It's not an area that I know much about, but perhaps those here who voted for him, have ideas for appropriate singer suggestions? Or 'Lucia's then and now'. Possibilities: Fanny Tacchinardi Persiani (created the role) and Natalie Dessay. Or 'Singer couples'. Possibilities: Roberto Alagna & Angela Gheorghiu; Roberto Stagno & Gemma Bellincioni (created Turiddu and Santuzza) a very interesting pair, especially her; Julia Varady & Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau etc. etc. Or 'Singers who are bound to cause edit wars': Roberto Alagna & Angela Gheorghiu. Just joking about that last one.;-) Best, Voceditenore 08:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone poke at that dratted image I found and see if they can get it to play nice with the formatting of everything else? Adam Cuerden talk 23:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. One member,
Kleinzach, told me that he liked my logo for Opera station (of Madrid Metro)... and I think you'd like to use it for your project... I give it to you for any use.
(Sorry about my English)
Javitomad
(
...tell me...)
23:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Please, answer at
my talk page.
Javitomad has just done a logo for the Wagner Project. It's on the main page. -- Kleinzach 01:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
GuillaumeTell, Peter cohen and I have just finished rating the 44 articles on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Richard Wagner. This was based on the Wagner Project Assessment page (and lengthy discussions which are here and in the two following archives).
Using a category-based points system (devised by GuillaumeTell) together with an edited version of the standard Quality Scale (now both on the Assessment page), it was possible to rate articles with good consistency and reasonable speed.
Conclusions:
Should the rating system be extended to the Opera Project? Comments are invited! -- Kleinzach 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 35 | ← | Archive 39 | Archive 40 | Archive 41 | Archive 42 | Archive 43 | → | Archive 45 |
Smerus has put in a strong request for Charles Gounod (1818-1893) and there's also been interest in Gioachino Rossini (1792-1868).
Here are some other candidates:
Past CotMs: Auber, Bellini, Donizetti, Dvořák, Gluck, Grétry, Handel, Hans Werner Henze, Janáček, Lully, Leoncavallo, Mascagni, Meyerbeer, Mozart, Offenbach, Rameau, Sacchini, Salieri, Sarti, Smetana, Verdi, Weber - also 'American' and 'Women composers'. with the following coming up: Cavalli, Haydn, Krenek and Weill. This adds up to 9 Italians, 9 Austrian-Germans, 5 Belgian-French and 3 Czechs so far.
Comments? Ideas? Votes? Ideally one each rather than multiple selections! -- Kleinzach 01:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry, I am a bit upset right now. I need some advice or comment from all of you. I have received 2 photos from Mr. Domingo office so far (the PR says she will send 2 or 3 more later in 2-3 days). I uploaded the photos in WikiCommons with remarks “for promotional purpose”. Actually I didn’t know what to write, I followed some sample I see in some of the photos uploaded in here. When I wrote an e-mail to Mr. Domingo’s PR, I introduced myself as one of the authors in Wikipedia (also mentioned “we” as in us, in Project opera) and asking for written permission and their approved photos to be published in Wiki “Groups” aka all the “Wiki”. The PR given me the permission based on that request. After uploading the photos in Wikicommons, the admin responded fast by suggesting it to be deleted with reason, it is for promotional without asking me why I wrote it that way – as I said I didn’t know what to write actually! May I knw what actually the policy in wikicommons? The permission given is for all the WIKI family! It was so damn hard for me to convince Mr. Domingo’s PR to giveaway his photos with permission and now all the efforts just gone down the drain. I don’t want to ask Wikicommons admin the detail because it just piss me off. I moved the photos in Wiki now. May I know what actually I have done wrong in Wiki Commons or how to correct it? I would prefer for the photos to be in Wiki commons than in here. - Jay 08:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Since the author has repeatedly removed the non-notability tags and then the PROD tag (placed by another editor), I have put Sarah Kraus on AfD. Please contest this if you can demonstrate notability. Perhaps I'm missing something. Voceditenore 00:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it time to delete the 'WikiProject Opera Work in Progress' box on the main project page? The adoption system isn't working and the box hasn't been updated since April. Unlike Composer of the Month (and the Can you help?/Can you translate? sections) this feature has never been much of a success. Shall we get rid of it? -- Kleinzach 01:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
For those of you who were following the discussion about Harolyn Blackwell's voice type ages ago, you will remember that I e-mailed Harolyn Blackwell to ask her what she considers her voice type to be. Well I recieved a reply from her representative Peter Greer, who answers her e-mails, and he told me that she considers herself to be a lyric coloratura. My question is whether or not this e-mail constitutes as a valid source. I have made no changes to the article yet. Nrswanson 13:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Kleinzach suggested that I post a request here - I've done so also in the Bio Project page, but no takers yet. Over at Kathleen Battle there's been a discussion over the better part of 2007 regarding the brief section of her bio discussing her firing from the Met in 1994. The section has gone back and forth in editing, and the discussion can be seen here [ [1]], although as Kleinzach points out it is difficult to follow since some participants failed to sign their comments. Essentially, there are those (including myself) who think the discussion of the event is best limited to the fact of her termination and the press statements at the time issued by Ms. Battle and the man who fired her, Joseph Volpe. Others believe that in order to achieve NPOV it is necessary to include the reported views of James Levine, or (even more attenuated in my view) the opinion of such individuals such as the present Met general manager Peter Gelb, who was not affiliated with the Met in 1994. Still others have repeatedly added unsupported characterizations of Ms. Battle as "gracious", etc., to this section. It would be nice to stop the edit "battles" (pun intended) and achieve a stable bio entry. Is there anyone with an inclination to give some time to the resolution of this issue? Thanks very much. NickInBigD (Hey!) 15:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bring this up again. But after the discussion here this article still contains both the original text and an uncredited translation. The libretto is still in copyright (© Riccordi 1926 renewed 1954.) I personally think it should be removed and replaced by selected quotes of the key lines. Comments? Voceditenore 06:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The translation has been there for quite sometime, way back from 2006. It has been edited again and again by various users to "correct the English". I think it is no longer considered as copying from any sites. - Jay 13:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I've had a message from Tony Kaye, the person using the User:Rplowright id, saying that some of the information is wrong. I'm encouraging him to take up the conversation in the article talk page.-- Peter cohen 19:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Some of us have been talking about starting a new feature called 'Singer of the Month', similar to 'Composer of the Month'. For the past couple of years we have concentrated on coverage of opera composers and operas. While most articles remain relatively short we have now developed a framework for what will eventually be (in about 5 years!) the most substantial source for opera in the English language.
Perhaps now is the time to look at the articles on singers and try to bring them up to the same standard as the opera composers and operas? Perhaps having a regular 'Singer of the Month' will help do this, while attracting new members to the project?
Any comments, opinions about how this would be managed? Would 'Singer of the Month' concentrate on improving the quality of the articles on the most famous singers? Or be used to create new articles on neglected ones? How should it be organized? Is anyone willing to start the necessary discussions and shepherd the thing along? -- Kleinzach 23:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I'd be in favour of a trial period. Since tomorrow is the start of a new month, we could try this for October:
The singers of the month are the baritones Antonio Tamburini, Victor Maurel and Dmitri Hvorostovsky
- Antonio Tamburini needs expansion and currently has no references.
- Victor Maurel is a stub.
- Dmitri Hvorostovsky needs expansion, copy-editing and additional verifiable, independent references.
I also noticed that the Project's guidance on Article Ranking only has one example of a singer article and that's at stub class. I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to have one singer article added as an example in each of the other classes (where possible). I think it would help new-comers and even old hands who may not have worked much on singer articles before. Best, Voceditenore 11:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Kleinzach wrote: "One advantage of having a 'theme' is that it can be debated (to generate interest)" Ah, I see what you mean. OK. How about 'Great Verdi baritones'. Possibilities, all of whose articles could use work to varying degrees: Renato Bruson, Ettore Bastianini, Tito Gobbi. And Felice Varesi, who created the roles of Macbeth, Rigoletto and Germont. Or, we could link it to November's CoM - 'Famous interpeters of Kurt Weill'. It's not an area that I know much about, but perhaps those here who voted for him, have ideas for appropriate singer suggestions? Or 'Lucia's then and now'. Possibilities: Fanny Tacchinardi Persiani (created the role) and Natalie Dessay. Or 'Singer couples'. Possibilities: Roberto Alagna & Angela Gheorghiu; Roberto Stagno & Gemma Bellincioni (created Turiddu and Santuzza) a very interesting pair, especially her; Julia Varady & Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau etc. etc. Or 'Singers who are bound to cause edit wars': Roberto Alagna & Angela Gheorghiu. Just joking about that last one.;-) Best, Voceditenore 08:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone poke at that dratted image I found and see if they can get it to play nice with the formatting of everything else? Adam Cuerden talk 23:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. One member,
Kleinzach, told me that he liked my logo for Opera station (of Madrid Metro)... and I think you'd like to use it for your project... I give it to you for any use.
(Sorry about my English)
Javitomad
(
...tell me...)
23:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Please, answer at
my talk page.
Javitomad has just done a logo for the Wagner Project. It's on the main page. -- Kleinzach 01:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
GuillaumeTell, Peter cohen and I have just finished rating the 44 articles on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Richard Wagner. This was based on the Wagner Project Assessment page (and lengthy discussions which are here and in the two following archives).
Using a category-based points system (devised by GuillaumeTell) together with an edited version of the standard Quality Scale (now both on the Assessment page), it was possible to rate articles with good consistency and reasonable speed.
Conclusions:
Should the rating system be extended to the Opera Project? Comments are invited! -- Kleinzach 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)