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I feel so sad to hear the news, never thought I would. I have never really liked him, I always compared the way his pronounced words, his lips/jaw movement, his singing, his fierce face with Domingo. Domingo is so much opposite than him – reasons why I adore Domingo more than others. But when I heard the news this morning, it is just strikes me hard that we have just lost someone so great in our times. Opera has just lost one of the greatest tenors. I like to ask for your moment to pray for him and may he rest in peace, Amen. - Jay 05:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I would really like to create a temnplate like the one found here on Rossini's opera. Can someone help?
Thank you Mrlopez2681 01:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
This article, unusually, comes with a "Fair use rationale": "This article is an exact copy of information provided by Ms. Ringo's artistic agent, Michel Glotz, on her website . . . ." Is this OK on WP? The contributor Mike hayes has done plenty of other articles here. -- Kleinzach 23:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi folks, I have put the Dmitri Shostakovich page up for FAR. One particular problem of potential interest here is is the musical and aesthetic context provided for Lady Macbeth. Given the importance of the opera to the genre in the 20th Century, as well as the composer's own fate, review and comment would be particularly welcome. Eusebeus 15:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Do not comment on these articles here; rather discuss on the talk page for the article nominated for deletion. If you agree with the proposed deletion, you don't have to do anything. If you think the article merits keeping, the remove the {{prod}} template and make an effort to improve the article so that it clearly meets the notability and verifiability criteria.
The article has received a notability tag. It is quite likely he is a notable individual, but the article's wording and lack of source make that difficult to assert. Adding sources that establish his status as a major prompter or opera personality would greatly help. I found this and this, but most likely this project's participants know just where to look to find the good stuff. Circeus 03:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
New opera articles are appearing every day. Care of Alex, they can be seen at User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult
I've been trying to check them every day, but it's been taking up more and more of my time and I'd be grateful for some help. What this entails is:
I wonder whether anybody would be willing to take on one (or more?) of these chores? Thanks.
-- Kleinzach 00:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Caniglia article, a biography by Erik Eriksson from the All Music Guide is listed as a 'reference' via [1]. The problem is that the Wikipedia article consists almost enirely of large chunks of the All Music Guide article reproduced verbatim. The same is true of the Beczala - verbatim chunks from the 'reference' listed [2]. Both articles were created by User:NewYork1956. I haven't got the time/energy to re-write them. I'm tempted to just revert them to stubs. Is that OK? Best, Voceditenore 15:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I was doing some checking on "arias category" when I noticed an orphaned article ( Il dolce suono... Ardon gl'incensi... Spargi d'amaro pianto) which is also redundant with Il dolce suono. The contents in the orphaned article have neither citation nor reference; doesn’t look like aria or synopsis; it is more to personal opinion for the Act 3, Donizetti's " Lucia di Lammermoor". It was categorized as “Aria” before i removed it. My problem is, I find it very hard to request for the orphaned article to be deleted. May I know what shall I do or.. perhaps I just close my eyes and leave it be? Some of the contents can be used in Act 3 synopsis (may be and may be not). Any opinion? I have already adding it in AFD page .- Jay 03:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I've seen at least 3 aria articles (there may be more) where the English translation is taken from the Aria Data Base - ( Una furtiva lagrima, Il dolce suono, Celeste Aida) The site is listed as the reference, but no credit is given to the translator(s), nor does permission seem to have been given. Post-1923 translations (even of out-of-copyright texts) are still copyright themselves. See also this note on the The Aria Data Base:
Please note that all materials on the Database have been the result of someone's hard work. Except where noted, text in the Database is copyrighted by me, Robert Glaubitz, and should only be used outside of personal use with my permission. The translations and MIDI files are the copyrighted work of many contributors whose valuable work has made this Database what it is today. You may use their MIDIs and translations for your personal use but please respect their rights and ask permission before you put a translation on a program or a MIDI on your website. In general, if you wish to use a translation in a recital program or a publication or if you wish to use a MIDI on a website or a CD, you must ask the contributor for their permission or else you could be held accountable legally. Every contributor I have worked with is very nice and will probably have no problem with your request!
Comments? Best. Voceditenore 12:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
2007 (UTC)
I may be in a minority here, but I don't think these articles belong in Wikipedia. I think they should be in WikiSource. Jay did try to put them there, but he got no cooperation from the monoglot WikiSource editors who simply didn't understand what it was all about, while I and other editors here didn't have time to get involved. However ultimately WikiSource is the only place they belong. -- Kleinzach 23:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Kleinzach too. If there's something significant to say about the aria, it ought to be in the opera's article itself under 'noted arias', 'synopsis', or 'context and analysis' - most of these aria articles only have a couple of lines of introduction which largely repeat what is already in the article on the opera (or should be). The actual lyrics and/or translation can be provided via external links in a Resources section for the opera article, since the WikiSource option seems to be a non-starter at the moment. Note also that even in the USA Turandot (published post 1923) is still in copyright, and posting the original lyrics (or a translation, which is considered a 'derivative work' and therefore covered by the copyright of the original lyrics) of ' Nessun dorma', ' Non piangere, Liù', and ' In questa reggia' are copy vios. The single aria articles are also problematic in that some of them are not referenced at all, e.g. Un di, felice, eterea. I would suggest that we not start any new aria articles, gradually work to merge the contents of the ones we currently have in the Opera excerpts category into the main opera articles (with possible exceptions for really iconic pieces like ' Nessun dorma', ' Vesti la giubba', ' Ride of the Valkyries', etc. but even there I'm not sure about all of them). Best, Voceditenore 08:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
There is no article for this composer, and I had never heard of him before, but he wrote an operetta called Le Droit d'aînesse (librettists Leterrier & Vanloo) that was a flop in Paris in 1883 but did well in the English-speaking world in a version by H. B. Farnie under the name Falka, playing in London in 1883 and then in America and Australia, as well as revivals at least into the 1890s. Sheet music for the "Falka Waltz" was published. [3] and there is information about the English version [ here. Does the composer deserve an article? Does anyone know of anything else that he wrote? Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
At Kleinzach's request, there is now an English-language article: Wagner family tree. I gather quite a few people are working on Wagner family members and thought you might appreciate the link! Cheers, Cricketgirl 23:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
From 17 September until today, I have to monitor Plácido Domingo article almost every hour (except my bedtime). IP users from various locations keep changing his birth date from 1941 to 1934 and also other things. 2 days ago, I received reply letter from the office of Plácido Domingo in Germany asking which photos in his official website that I want, so then they could give WIKI the written permission to publish it. I replied the mail yesterday asking for 11 photos including few of his album covers for his discography. I also given them links to Domingo’s article and List of recordings by Plácido Domingo for them to check and verify whether the contents are correct. What worries me so much if they (Domingo’s staff) visited the article when this vandalism happened and I was not there to undo it back. Can anybody here lock the article from IP users at least for a week or... forever? - Jay 07:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
This is getting out of hand. See the today's revision history and my comment on the article's Talk Page Is there an administrator here who can temporarily lock this page to anonymous editors? It would he helpful, I think. For now, I've left the 1934 date in the article, but corrected it in a footnote. Hopefully the miscreants won't notice it for a while and go away (at least temporarily). Best, Voceditenore 15:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I have marked the article Laura Belli as having content that is a copyright violation. Information on the matter is found on the article page. The article has also been listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2007 September 28/Articles. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 22:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
This article is really a tangle and I think needs serious work to sort it out. Info is scattered all over and the article does not read in an orderly 'encyclopaedic' manner. also it is thin on the ground in many important aspects. Examples: not enough on the origins of GO, the section on French grand opera needs fleshing out, there is nothing on the Wagnerian critique of grand opera, etc. I would welcome the opinions of WP:Opera participants as I would like to undertake a (gradual) rewrite with colleagues' cooperation. Smerus 09:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering why Grand Opera is capitalized through this article. I think this dates back a while. (Grove uses 'grand opéra'.) The navigation box entitled 'the golden age of Grand Opera' looks odd with this mixture of lower and upper case. (Also there are a lot of stray commas, missing spaces etc. in the table - I'd fix them but I'm not sure where the template is.) -- Kleinzach 01:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Buondelmonte's article originally had an interesting section on the 'Number of performances of French Grand Operas at the Opéra in Paris' here. This seems to have disappeared. Can we re-instate it? -- Kleinzach 01:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
In my daily monitoring of the new opera articles bot I've found the following which I'm considering putting on Articles for deletion...
Best, Voceditenore 13:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 35 | ← | Archive 38 | Archive 39 | Archive 40 | Archive 41 | Archive 42 | → | Archive 45 |
I feel so sad to hear the news, never thought I would. I have never really liked him, I always compared the way his pronounced words, his lips/jaw movement, his singing, his fierce face with Domingo. Domingo is so much opposite than him – reasons why I adore Domingo more than others. But when I heard the news this morning, it is just strikes me hard that we have just lost someone so great in our times. Opera has just lost one of the greatest tenors. I like to ask for your moment to pray for him and may he rest in peace, Amen. - Jay 05:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I would really like to create a temnplate like the one found here on Rossini's opera. Can someone help?
Thank you Mrlopez2681 01:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
This article, unusually, comes with a "Fair use rationale": "This article is an exact copy of information provided by Ms. Ringo's artistic agent, Michel Glotz, on her website . . . ." Is this OK on WP? The contributor Mike hayes has done plenty of other articles here. -- Kleinzach 23:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi folks, I have put the Dmitri Shostakovich page up for FAR. One particular problem of potential interest here is is the musical and aesthetic context provided for Lady Macbeth. Given the importance of the opera to the genre in the 20th Century, as well as the composer's own fate, review and comment would be particularly welcome. Eusebeus 15:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Do not comment on these articles here; rather discuss on the talk page for the article nominated for deletion. If you agree with the proposed deletion, you don't have to do anything. If you think the article merits keeping, the remove the {{prod}} template and make an effort to improve the article so that it clearly meets the notability and verifiability criteria.
The article has received a notability tag. It is quite likely he is a notable individual, but the article's wording and lack of source make that difficult to assert. Adding sources that establish his status as a major prompter or opera personality would greatly help. I found this and this, but most likely this project's participants know just where to look to find the good stuff. Circeus 03:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
New opera articles are appearing every day. Care of Alex, they can be seen at User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult
I've been trying to check them every day, but it's been taking up more and more of my time and I'd be grateful for some help. What this entails is:
I wonder whether anybody would be willing to take on one (or more?) of these chores? Thanks.
-- Kleinzach 00:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Caniglia article, a biography by Erik Eriksson from the All Music Guide is listed as a 'reference' via [1]. The problem is that the Wikipedia article consists almost enirely of large chunks of the All Music Guide article reproduced verbatim. The same is true of the Beczala - verbatim chunks from the 'reference' listed [2]. Both articles were created by User:NewYork1956. I haven't got the time/energy to re-write them. I'm tempted to just revert them to stubs. Is that OK? Best, Voceditenore 15:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I was doing some checking on "arias category" when I noticed an orphaned article ( Il dolce suono... Ardon gl'incensi... Spargi d'amaro pianto) which is also redundant with Il dolce suono. The contents in the orphaned article have neither citation nor reference; doesn’t look like aria or synopsis; it is more to personal opinion for the Act 3, Donizetti's " Lucia di Lammermoor". It was categorized as “Aria” before i removed it. My problem is, I find it very hard to request for the orphaned article to be deleted. May I know what shall I do or.. perhaps I just close my eyes and leave it be? Some of the contents can be used in Act 3 synopsis (may be and may be not). Any opinion? I have already adding it in AFD page .- Jay 03:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I've seen at least 3 aria articles (there may be more) where the English translation is taken from the Aria Data Base - ( Una furtiva lagrima, Il dolce suono, Celeste Aida) The site is listed as the reference, but no credit is given to the translator(s), nor does permission seem to have been given. Post-1923 translations (even of out-of-copyright texts) are still copyright themselves. See also this note on the The Aria Data Base:
Please note that all materials on the Database have been the result of someone's hard work. Except where noted, text in the Database is copyrighted by me, Robert Glaubitz, and should only be used outside of personal use with my permission. The translations and MIDI files are the copyrighted work of many contributors whose valuable work has made this Database what it is today. You may use their MIDIs and translations for your personal use but please respect their rights and ask permission before you put a translation on a program or a MIDI on your website. In general, if you wish to use a translation in a recital program or a publication or if you wish to use a MIDI on a website or a CD, you must ask the contributor for their permission or else you could be held accountable legally. Every contributor I have worked with is very nice and will probably have no problem with your request!
Comments? Best. Voceditenore 12:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
2007 (UTC)
I may be in a minority here, but I don't think these articles belong in Wikipedia. I think they should be in WikiSource. Jay did try to put them there, but he got no cooperation from the monoglot WikiSource editors who simply didn't understand what it was all about, while I and other editors here didn't have time to get involved. However ultimately WikiSource is the only place they belong. -- Kleinzach 23:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Kleinzach too. If there's something significant to say about the aria, it ought to be in the opera's article itself under 'noted arias', 'synopsis', or 'context and analysis' - most of these aria articles only have a couple of lines of introduction which largely repeat what is already in the article on the opera (or should be). The actual lyrics and/or translation can be provided via external links in a Resources section for the opera article, since the WikiSource option seems to be a non-starter at the moment. Note also that even in the USA Turandot (published post 1923) is still in copyright, and posting the original lyrics (or a translation, which is considered a 'derivative work' and therefore covered by the copyright of the original lyrics) of ' Nessun dorma', ' Non piangere, Liù', and ' In questa reggia' are copy vios. The single aria articles are also problematic in that some of them are not referenced at all, e.g. Un di, felice, eterea. I would suggest that we not start any new aria articles, gradually work to merge the contents of the ones we currently have in the Opera excerpts category into the main opera articles (with possible exceptions for really iconic pieces like ' Nessun dorma', ' Vesti la giubba', ' Ride of the Valkyries', etc. but even there I'm not sure about all of them). Best, Voceditenore 08:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
There is no article for this composer, and I had never heard of him before, but he wrote an operetta called Le Droit d'aînesse (librettists Leterrier & Vanloo) that was a flop in Paris in 1883 but did well in the English-speaking world in a version by H. B. Farnie under the name Falka, playing in London in 1883 and then in America and Australia, as well as revivals at least into the 1890s. Sheet music for the "Falka Waltz" was published. [3] and there is information about the English version [ here. Does the composer deserve an article? Does anyone know of anything else that he wrote? Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
At Kleinzach's request, there is now an English-language article: Wagner family tree. I gather quite a few people are working on Wagner family members and thought you might appreciate the link! Cheers, Cricketgirl 23:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
From 17 September until today, I have to monitor Plácido Domingo article almost every hour (except my bedtime). IP users from various locations keep changing his birth date from 1941 to 1934 and also other things. 2 days ago, I received reply letter from the office of Plácido Domingo in Germany asking which photos in his official website that I want, so then they could give WIKI the written permission to publish it. I replied the mail yesterday asking for 11 photos including few of his album covers for his discography. I also given them links to Domingo’s article and List of recordings by Plácido Domingo for them to check and verify whether the contents are correct. What worries me so much if they (Domingo’s staff) visited the article when this vandalism happened and I was not there to undo it back. Can anybody here lock the article from IP users at least for a week or... forever? - Jay 07:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
This is getting out of hand. See the today's revision history and my comment on the article's Talk Page Is there an administrator here who can temporarily lock this page to anonymous editors? It would he helpful, I think. For now, I've left the 1934 date in the article, but corrected it in a footnote. Hopefully the miscreants won't notice it for a while and go away (at least temporarily). Best, Voceditenore 15:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I have marked the article Laura Belli as having content that is a copyright violation. Information on the matter is found on the article page. The article has also been listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2007 September 28/Articles. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 22:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
This article is really a tangle and I think needs serious work to sort it out. Info is scattered all over and the article does not read in an orderly 'encyclopaedic' manner. also it is thin on the ground in many important aspects. Examples: not enough on the origins of GO, the section on French grand opera needs fleshing out, there is nothing on the Wagnerian critique of grand opera, etc. I would welcome the opinions of WP:Opera participants as I would like to undertake a (gradual) rewrite with colleagues' cooperation. Smerus 09:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering why Grand Opera is capitalized through this article. I think this dates back a while. (Grove uses 'grand opéra'.) The navigation box entitled 'the golden age of Grand Opera' looks odd with this mixture of lower and upper case. (Also there are a lot of stray commas, missing spaces etc. in the table - I'd fix them but I'm not sure where the template is.) -- Kleinzach 01:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Buondelmonte's article originally had an interesting section on the 'Number of performances of French Grand Operas at the Opéra in Paris' here. This seems to have disappeared. Can we re-instate it? -- Kleinzach 01:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
In my daily monitoring of the new opera articles bot I've found the following which I'm considering putting on Articles for deletion...
Best, Voceditenore 13:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)