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I've put this page up for deletion, reasons explained in the prod tag. Cheers, Moreschi Talk 17:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
It's not clear how or even whether I ought to dare to edit the Nov composers of the month, so let me just leave a pointer to these additional works: Ernst_Krenek#Operas Sparafucil 22:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Will (if I may call you that). It's obvious of course, once one is out of "edit this page" mode. As to boldness, I'm trying not to unintentionaly get up anyone's nose.
I was thinking along similar lines to K. in originally adding selected works to the corpus list, and agree that we're not out to create unsourced one-liners. But I've had a look at Pallas and think it's good enough to keep looking for other scores to read through. Sparafucil 06:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I leave you the decision to decide what's notable enough for the corpus list, but it seems premature to limit what articles should even be considered for a composer of the month. Did you just misunderstand me? Sparafucil 06:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I admit it's a bit exhausting discusing things here but we neednt be editing at cross purposes either. You confused me by using the word 'we' above and in your edit summary, suggesting you thought I was in agreement. Perhaps that was the royal 'we'? :-)
The corpus criteria seems to aim for error on the side of inclusivness, otherwise one would be tempted to prune the Abraham titles (or are they already a select list?) Sparafucil 00:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming a useful article can be written on any piece for which a score (or even a libretto) can be found, and of course I'll be looking into secondary literature as well: all I know about Krenek's biography at present falls under the heading of oral history (I am a grand-student).
Kleinzach, admirable as Grove is as a model for style, it is a paper book with space limits. I'm glad Abraham was pruned by a sympathetic hand (and congratulations on the articles, Michael!), but the line between "broad and inclusive" and "selective [and] notable" is a bit murky, you might admit. What is your rational for "culling" Gounod and Saint-Saëns, for example? Sparafucil 23:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The following are operas for which I have libretti (either from a recording or a live performance) for which no synopses are on Wikipedia:
I'm willing to work on some of these during the month, but can't guarantee to do all ten. I also want to finish my work on Die Feen first. For those that don't have any articles at all I should also have basic information from the same sources. Who is planning to cover some of the same ground and wants to avoid duplicating reading effort? As I have recently acquired a recording of the Cunning Peasant, that is one I do want to put my name next to during the month as I plan to have a listen with the libretto in front of me some time.-- Peter cohen 16:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
One thing that came up recently was the question of Harvard referencing.
At the moment we don't have a format for references, sources and bibliographies. Do we need one and if so should we adopt Harvard? In favour would be its universality, against might be its formality.
There are a number of versions of Harvard around but essentially it puts the author's surname first followed by a date in parentheses, e.g.
Applied to online citations, the format would look like this:
Opinions? Comments? -- Kleinzach 01:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Here are some ideas for the December composer(s) of the month:
Any other suggestions as always welcome! -- Kleinzach 04:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Any more votes? I'm hoping we're moving towards a consensus! The main candidates - I think! - are Gounod, Haydn and Rossini. -- Kleinzach 00:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
This leaves me with the unenviable task of somehow counting the votes. (Maybe we should have a reform next month and only allow one person one vote?). It seems to be between Gounod and Haydn. Unless anyone steps forward to object I intend to cast a deciding vote for Haydn. Is that that OK with everybody? -- Kleinzach 01:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I have now entered Haydn for December. -- Kleinzach 23:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I have added many frames in our articles following our standard frame. But the standard frame doesn’t have the title header for each column except for the last one, refer below (sample). The “title” in last column is actually not a title but the premiere date and the conductor :-
Current
Premiere, March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) | ||
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
It doesn’t look good and for that reason, I noticed some people adding the titles or make some changes in it. It makes the title header or even the format varies by authors. I like to suggest for a standard frame with titles. Below is the sample, please make your suggestion. Thanks.
Proposed
Cast | Voice type | Premiere, March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) |
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
OR
Premiere: March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) | ||
Role | Voice type | Premiere cast |
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
- Jay 15:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Role | Voice type | Premiere Cast - March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) |
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
Final?
Role | Voice type | Premiere Cast, September 04, 2007 (Conductor: Plácido Domingo) |
---|---|---|
Floria Tosca, a celebrated singer | soprano | Anna Netrebko |
Mario Cavaradossi, a painter | tenor | Jay |
Baron Scarpia, chief of police | baritone | Kleinzach |
A sacristan | bass | GuillaumeTell |
Members of Wikiproject Opera as soldiers, police agents, chorus |
- Jay 01:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the notability (viability) of the new article on Smetana's Viola. Apparently the composer only wrote 300 or 400 bars. Only a fragment remaining. Please see the talk page. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 10:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
In view of all the discussions about formatting - which deserve recording - I've started a project subpage here. The idea is to consolidate formats for easy access and further development. (Styles are space-consuming, so a subpage rather than inclusion on the project page, made sense to me.)
I have included existing material from the project page as well as Jay's table for roles, a format for recordings (borrowed from Voceditenore), and reference formats (as discussed above).
This is just a start. Please criticize/correct or whatever. -- Kleinzach 03:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 35 | ← | Archive 37 | Archive 38 | Archive 39 | Archive 40 | Archive 41 | → | Archive 45 |
I've put this page up for deletion, reasons explained in the prod tag. Cheers, Moreschi Talk 17:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
It's not clear how or even whether I ought to dare to edit the Nov composers of the month, so let me just leave a pointer to these additional works: Ernst_Krenek#Operas Sparafucil 22:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Will (if I may call you that). It's obvious of course, once one is out of "edit this page" mode. As to boldness, I'm trying not to unintentionaly get up anyone's nose.
I was thinking along similar lines to K. in originally adding selected works to the corpus list, and agree that we're not out to create unsourced one-liners. But I've had a look at Pallas and think it's good enough to keep looking for other scores to read through. Sparafucil 06:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I leave you the decision to decide what's notable enough for the corpus list, but it seems premature to limit what articles should even be considered for a composer of the month. Did you just misunderstand me? Sparafucil 06:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I admit it's a bit exhausting discusing things here but we neednt be editing at cross purposes either. You confused me by using the word 'we' above and in your edit summary, suggesting you thought I was in agreement. Perhaps that was the royal 'we'? :-)
The corpus criteria seems to aim for error on the side of inclusivness, otherwise one would be tempted to prune the Abraham titles (or are they already a select list?) Sparafucil 00:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming a useful article can be written on any piece for which a score (or even a libretto) can be found, and of course I'll be looking into secondary literature as well: all I know about Krenek's biography at present falls under the heading of oral history (I am a grand-student).
Kleinzach, admirable as Grove is as a model for style, it is a paper book with space limits. I'm glad Abraham was pruned by a sympathetic hand (and congratulations on the articles, Michael!), but the line between "broad and inclusive" and "selective [and] notable" is a bit murky, you might admit. What is your rational for "culling" Gounod and Saint-Saëns, for example? Sparafucil 23:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The following are operas for which I have libretti (either from a recording or a live performance) for which no synopses are on Wikipedia:
I'm willing to work on some of these during the month, but can't guarantee to do all ten. I also want to finish my work on Die Feen first. For those that don't have any articles at all I should also have basic information from the same sources. Who is planning to cover some of the same ground and wants to avoid duplicating reading effort? As I have recently acquired a recording of the Cunning Peasant, that is one I do want to put my name next to during the month as I plan to have a listen with the libretto in front of me some time.-- Peter cohen 16:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
One thing that came up recently was the question of Harvard referencing.
At the moment we don't have a format for references, sources and bibliographies. Do we need one and if so should we adopt Harvard? In favour would be its universality, against might be its formality.
There are a number of versions of Harvard around but essentially it puts the author's surname first followed by a date in parentheses, e.g.
Applied to online citations, the format would look like this:
Opinions? Comments? -- Kleinzach 01:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Here are some ideas for the December composer(s) of the month:
Any other suggestions as always welcome! -- Kleinzach 04:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Any more votes? I'm hoping we're moving towards a consensus! The main candidates - I think! - are Gounod, Haydn and Rossini. -- Kleinzach 00:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
This leaves me with the unenviable task of somehow counting the votes. (Maybe we should have a reform next month and only allow one person one vote?). It seems to be between Gounod and Haydn. Unless anyone steps forward to object I intend to cast a deciding vote for Haydn. Is that that OK with everybody? -- Kleinzach 01:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I have now entered Haydn for December. -- Kleinzach 23:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I have added many frames in our articles following our standard frame. But the standard frame doesn’t have the title header for each column except for the last one, refer below (sample). The “title” in last column is actually not a title but the premiere date and the conductor :-
Current
Premiere, March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) | ||
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
It doesn’t look good and for that reason, I noticed some people adding the titles or make some changes in it. It makes the title header or even the format varies by authors. I like to suggest for a standard frame with titles. Below is the sample, please make your suggestion. Thanks.
Proposed
Cast | Voice type | Premiere, March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) |
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
OR
Premiere: March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) | ||
Role | Voice type | Premiere cast |
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
- Jay 15:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Role | Voice type | Premiere Cast - March 6, 1853 (Conductor: Unknown) |
---|---|---|
Violetta Valery, a courtesan | soprano | Fanny Salvini-Donatelli |
Alfredo Germont | tenor | Ludovico Graziani |
Giorgio Germont, his father | baritone | Felice Varesi |
Flora Bervoix | mezzo-soprano | Speranza Giuseppini |
Imperial guards, soldiers, chorus |
Final?
Role | Voice type | Premiere Cast, September 04, 2007 (Conductor: Plácido Domingo) |
---|---|---|
Floria Tosca, a celebrated singer | soprano | Anna Netrebko |
Mario Cavaradossi, a painter | tenor | Jay |
Baron Scarpia, chief of police | baritone | Kleinzach |
A sacristan | bass | GuillaumeTell |
Members of Wikiproject Opera as soldiers, police agents, chorus |
- Jay 01:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the notability (viability) of the new article on Smetana's Viola. Apparently the composer only wrote 300 or 400 bars. Only a fragment remaining. Please see the talk page. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 10:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
In view of all the discussions about formatting - which deserve recording - I've started a project subpage here. The idea is to consolidate formats for easy access and further development. (Styles are space-consuming, so a subpage rather than inclusion on the project page, made sense to me.)
I have included existing material from the project page as well as Jay's table for roles, a format for recordings (borrowed from Voceditenore), and reference formats (as discussed above).
This is just a start. Please criticize/correct or whatever. -- Kleinzach 03:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)