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I often link to articles without looking, but now I looked and found several core articles tagged for referencing, for example Bayreuth Festival, Der Ring des Nibelungen, La Scala, Liceu. Help? - Maggio Musicale Fiorentino is stubby, compared to its Italian version. Badisches Staatstheater Karlsruhe, Opernhaus Düsseldorf. Help? - All these articles are linked from one short article on a singer. What will our readers think, linking from tag to tag? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
More: Vienna State Opera -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
A soprano with many tags: Bidu Sayão. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
User:Brianboulton and I have sought to significantly expand, and improve the quality of, the article on Claudio Monteverdi and would be very grateful for any comments at the Peer Review which we have just launched here. Many thanks, Smerus ( talk) 16:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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Re: this change - It looks as if the Bayreuth Festival changed their database, without redirects. Well, I should probably referenced by Kutsch/Riemens to start with, but the additional info (which role performed when) is easier to read on the festival page, - but only when you don't get a 404 error. What can we do? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Following a very helpful peer review, Brianboulton and I have resolved to subject the article to an FA candidature, and welcome all and any constructive comment. -- Smerus ( talk) 16:47, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
A discussion on this topic is taking place on the Richard Wagner talk page. Smerus ( talk) 06:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
An editor who was banned from adding maintenance tags in April and subsequently retired, sang a tag-bombing swan song at Tenor. The article needs work, but this is truly excessive. Anyone care to take a look? There are two causes for concern which should not be ignored, however. The tags claim copyvio from
1. Fallows, David ; Jander, Owen; Forbes, Elizabeth; Steane, J.B.; Harris, Ellen T. & Waldman, Gerald (2001). "Tenor". Grove Music Online. If anyone has a subscription to Grove Music Online, can you check for copyvio or email me a copy of the article so I can check?
2. Boldrey, Richard (1994). Guide to Operatic Roles and Arias. Caldwell Publishing Company. ISBN 9781877761645. I'm rather dubious about this one having been copied. The tag-bomber clearly hasn't a clue what's in the book and appears to be guessing that it was copied.
Voceditenore ( talk) 18:25, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Input welcomed. Softlavender ( talk) 01:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
I started Joan Carroll (soprano) because she premiered one of the song cycles by Wilhelm Killmayer (Leontyne Price premiered another). She was the first Lulu in the US, but I don't find (at least in a superficial search) any biographical information. Help? Some of the people with whom she was interviewed (one woman, 11 men), died recently, I hope she's alive, but do we know? I am also not happy with the sources for the Santa Fe Lulu premiere in our article, - anything better? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Found one bit! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Gerda, she has entry in the Großes Sängerlexikon here. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 14:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 08:10, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 1#1 and 2 article categories named after composers. Voceditenore ( talk) 06:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
An IP just edited Lotte Lehmann to say she had a daughter (as opposed to "no children") [3]. I reverted it, but I'm seeing info in non-RS NNDB that she had a daughter named Naomi. I can't offhand find any RS about the matter one way or another. My solution has been to add cn tags to both sentences about children and purported stepchildren (how many?), but it would be nice to have factual information. She died in the 1970s; if nothing else, surely there are some obituaries somewhere? Softlavender ( talk) 08:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Jefferson had published a piece about a woman claiming Lehmann was her mother. His apparent gullibility did not assure Frances the kind of accuracy she would want. Famous people gather their unfair share of adoring loonies. Frances gave me an entire correspondence from a woman who began some letters, “Mother Lotte” and in others declared Lehmann to be her “co-mother.” She wrote John Coveney at Angel Records this time revealing herself to be the daughter of Claudia Muzio (1889 – 1936) – requesting that this mother's records be re-issued; she needed the royalties. Coveney sent the letter to Lehmann with a cover note: “And I was the result of an ancient union between Gustav Mahler and Coco Chanel.”
A while back I put in a request for an article on this Greek Opera house and it seems that a user named Sila.1994 created one back in September of this year (2017), the article looks like a good overview of the history of the theater, however it's also clear from reading it that English was not the authors first language. It might need revision by a more experienced editor. I am currently embroiled in some other projects at the moment and will not be able to give it the time required.
Graham1973 ( talk) 14:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
I found this website which estimates the running times of various operas (minus the various intermissions/intervals, which of course add extra time if it's a live performance), and it's pretty cool and helpful: http://www.theopera101.com/operas/runningtimes.html. -- Softlavender ( talk) 01:48, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
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Someone added a new section and it wasn't encyclopedic. I've moved the new section to the talk page so experienced editors can decide what to do with it: Talk:Madama Butterfly#Moving this section here for now. -- Softlavender ( talk) 07:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Valerian Ruminski. Completely uncited. I just now took out a gigantic roles-resume. Softlavender ( talk) 16:31, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Bloated and often uncited article written entirely by three SPAs (possible socks of each other). Noticed it as one of the SPAs tried to add it to the Rosenkavalier article. Any help trimming, cleaning up, citing, etc., would be appreciated. Softlavender ( talk) 19:50, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Could people please check the edits of Special:Contributions/188.218.234.207? I'm concerned because some operas are comic operas without necessarily being of the genre comic opera. -- Softlavender ( talk) 04:12, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
See Talk:Falstaff (opera): several IPs edit-war to get "comic" in the genre, where the version that was made "featured" had simply "opera". I reverted twice. If it was a user, I'd talk to them. Help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I see now that I'm not the only one ... -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:57, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
The anonymous user is IP-hopping, so the only way to stop this activity on any and all of the targeted articles is to request semi-protection at WP:RFPP, as I have done here for Gianni Schicchi: [6]. -- Softlavender ( talk) 02:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello, WikiProject Opera. An editor made his first edit to the Administrator's noticeboard, asking if we could create an article on his mother, who passed away in March 2017. As Fiora Contino was a notable female conductor, and yet we did not have an article on her, I have had a stab at starting it based on a quick google. However, I know nothing, whatsoever, of opera, and I was wondering if someone here would be so kind as to cast their eye over the article, and possibly improve it where they can; it would be nice to have a decent article for this person. Cheers, fish& karate 13:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I looked at them today, found a lot missing, and started with trying to get them in the composer's navbox. Continued on Classical music, and discussion there please, as far as the position in a navbox goes. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Example. These may be correct but this stuff is all Greek to me. Could someone (paging Michael Bednarek) check Special:Contributions/81.129.155.27 and see what's what? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:05, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.
A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Opera
Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 17:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
May I ask to reconsider Maritana as an example for an opera with infobox? How about Gianni Schicchi? And could an opera "without" please be not the only one with my name in the title? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
The issue of examples has been clarified. The rest is an an unedifying spectacle
. During the 2013 brouhaha editors on both sides of this issue nearly brought a highly productive and previously enjoyable project to its knees. When infobox opera was developed the consensus was that it is available as an option and that whether or not to include it and how much of it to include should be discussed on individual article talk pages if anyone objects. This project talk page is for planning collaborations, seeking help with sourcing and fact-checking, improving and finding good images, celebrating Rossini's birthday etc. It is not the place to
I'm going to close this discussion. Can I ask you all to please not re-open it. It's quite clear that a few editors still have fairly entrenched positions on this issue. This is unfortunate, but that's the way it is. You may find it inconvenient to slug it out article-by-article but that's the way it is too. Relentless and personalised attempts to continue rehashing this general issue here are sterile and destructive. I personally use infobox opera on all the articles I write and expand (in conjunction with navigation footers), and consider it highly preferable to the old vertical navboxes. But that is neither here nor there. The world is not going to come to an end if some articles do not have them and vice versa. So...
Russian tenor (deceased). Needs citations, cleanup, fleshing out. (That is, if it passes notability.) Softlavender ( talk) 09:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Georgian/Russian opera composer. Needs a little bit of help. Softlavender ( talk) 09:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Voceditenore, I am not sure about Armanda Degli Abbati vs. Armanda degli Abbati, - are you? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:45, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
A large number of opera-related templates have been proposed for deletion here. Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
I stumbled across something interesting while writing an article on Alfredo Costa. He had performed in an opera entitled Editha by composer Antonio Francesco Carbonieri. I had never heard of that composer and did a search out of curiosity. Apparently it was a pen name for Elisabeth of Wied who composed several operas under assumed names. Her wikipedia article has nothing on this currently. Anybody interested in updating her article can see this source for more information. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 125 | ← | Archive 127 | Archive 128 | Archive 129 | Archive 130 | Archive 131 | → | Archive 135 |
I often link to articles without looking, but now I looked and found several core articles tagged for referencing, for example Bayreuth Festival, Der Ring des Nibelungen, La Scala, Liceu. Help? - Maggio Musicale Fiorentino is stubby, compared to its Italian version. Badisches Staatstheater Karlsruhe, Opernhaus Düsseldorf. Help? - All these articles are linked from one short article on a singer. What will our readers think, linking from tag to tag? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
More: Vienna State Opera -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
A soprano with many tags: Bidu Sayão. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
User:Brianboulton and I have sought to significantly expand, and improve the quality of, the article on Claudio Monteverdi and would be very grateful for any comments at the Peer Review which we have just launched here. Many thanks, Smerus ( talk) 16:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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Re: this change - It looks as if the Bayreuth Festival changed their database, without redirects. Well, I should probably referenced by Kutsch/Riemens to start with, but the additional info (which role performed when) is easier to read on the festival page, - but only when you don't get a 404 error. What can we do? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Following a very helpful peer review, Brianboulton and I have resolved to subject the article to an FA candidature, and welcome all and any constructive comment. -- Smerus ( talk) 16:47, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
A discussion on this topic is taking place on the Richard Wagner talk page. Smerus ( talk) 06:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
An editor who was banned from adding maintenance tags in April and subsequently retired, sang a tag-bombing swan song at Tenor. The article needs work, but this is truly excessive. Anyone care to take a look? There are two causes for concern which should not be ignored, however. The tags claim copyvio from
1. Fallows, David ; Jander, Owen; Forbes, Elizabeth; Steane, J.B.; Harris, Ellen T. & Waldman, Gerald (2001). "Tenor". Grove Music Online. If anyone has a subscription to Grove Music Online, can you check for copyvio or email me a copy of the article so I can check?
2. Boldrey, Richard (1994). Guide to Operatic Roles and Arias. Caldwell Publishing Company. ISBN 9781877761645. I'm rather dubious about this one having been copied. The tag-bomber clearly hasn't a clue what's in the book and appears to be guessing that it was copied.
Voceditenore ( talk) 18:25, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Input welcomed. Softlavender ( talk) 01:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
I started Joan Carroll (soprano) because she premiered one of the song cycles by Wilhelm Killmayer (Leontyne Price premiered another). She was the first Lulu in the US, but I don't find (at least in a superficial search) any biographical information. Help? Some of the people with whom she was interviewed (one woman, 11 men), died recently, I hope she's alive, but do we know? I am also not happy with the sources for the Santa Fe Lulu premiere in our article, - anything better? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Found one bit! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Gerda, she has entry in the Großes Sängerlexikon here. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 14:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 08:10, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 1#1 and 2 article categories named after composers. Voceditenore ( talk) 06:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
An IP just edited Lotte Lehmann to say she had a daughter (as opposed to "no children") [3]. I reverted it, but I'm seeing info in non-RS NNDB that she had a daughter named Naomi. I can't offhand find any RS about the matter one way or another. My solution has been to add cn tags to both sentences about children and purported stepchildren (how many?), but it would be nice to have factual information. She died in the 1970s; if nothing else, surely there are some obituaries somewhere? Softlavender ( talk) 08:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Jefferson had published a piece about a woman claiming Lehmann was her mother. His apparent gullibility did not assure Frances the kind of accuracy she would want. Famous people gather their unfair share of adoring loonies. Frances gave me an entire correspondence from a woman who began some letters, “Mother Lotte” and in others declared Lehmann to be her “co-mother.” She wrote John Coveney at Angel Records this time revealing herself to be the daughter of Claudia Muzio (1889 – 1936) – requesting that this mother's records be re-issued; she needed the royalties. Coveney sent the letter to Lehmann with a cover note: “And I was the result of an ancient union between Gustav Mahler and Coco Chanel.”
A while back I put in a request for an article on this Greek Opera house and it seems that a user named Sila.1994 created one back in September of this year (2017), the article looks like a good overview of the history of the theater, however it's also clear from reading it that English was not the authors first language. It might need revision by a more experienced editor. I am currently embroiled in some other projects at the moment and will not be able to give it the time required.
Graham1973 ( talk) 14:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
I found this website which estimates the running times of various operas (minus the various intermissions/intervals, which of course add extra time if it's a live performance), and it's pretty cool and helpful: http://www.theopera101.com/operas/runningtimes.html. -- Softlavender ( talk) 01:48, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
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-- Ipigott ( talk) 15:56, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Someone added a new section and it wasn't encyclopedic. I've moved the new section to the talk page so experienced editors can decide what to do with it: Talk:Madama Butterfly#Moving this section here for now. -- Softlavender ( talk) 07:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Valerian Ruminski. Completely uncited. I just now took out a gigantic roles-resume. Softlavender ( talk) 16:31, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Bloated and often uncited article written entirely by three SPAs (possible socks of each other). Noticed it as one of the SPAs tried to add it to the Rosenkavalier article. Any help trimming, cleaning up, citing, etc., would be appreciated. Softlavender ( talk) 19:50, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Could people please check the edits of Special:Contributions/188.218.234.207? I'm concerned because some operas are comic operas without necessarily being of the genre comic opera. -- Softlavender ( talk) 04:12, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
See Talk:Falstaff (opera): several IPs edit-war to get "comic" in the genre, where the version that was made "featured" had simply "opera". I reverted twice. If it was a user, I'd talk to them. Help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I see now that I'm not the only one ... -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:57, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
The anonymous user is IP-hopping, so the only way to stop this activity on any and all of the targeted articles is to request semi-protection at WP:RFPP, as I have done here for Gianni Schicchi: [6]. -- Softlavender ( talk) 02:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello, WikiProject Opera. An editor made his first edit to the Administrator's noticeboard, asking if we could create an article on his mother, who passed away in March 2017. As Fiora Contino was a notable female conductor, and yet we did not have an article on her, I have had a stab at starting it based on a quick google. However, I know nothing, whatsoever, of opera, and I was wondering if someone here would be so kind as to cast their eye over the article, and possibly improve it where they can; it would be nice to have a decent article for this person. Cheers, fish& karate 13:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I looked at them today, found a lot missing, and started with trying to get them in the composer's navbox. Continued on Classical music, and discussion there please, as far as the position in a navbox goes. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Example. These may be correct but this stuff is all Greek to me. Could someone (paging Michael Bednarek) check Special:Contributions/81.129.155.27 and see what's what? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:05, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.
A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Opera
Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 17:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
May I ask to reconsider Maritana as an example for an opera with infobox? How about Gianni Schicchi? And could an opera "without" please be not the only one with my name in the title? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
The issue of examples has been clarified. The rest is an an unedifying spectacle
. During the 2013 brouhaha editors on both sides of this issue nearly brought a highly productive and previously enjoyable project to its knees. When infobox opera was developed the consensus was that it is available as an option and that whether or not to include it and how much of it to include should be discussed on individual article talk pages if anyone objects. This project talk page is for planning collaborations, seeking help with sourcing and fact-checking, improving and finding good images, celebrating Rossini's birthday etc. It is not the place to
I'm going to close this discussion. Can I ask you all to please not re-open it. It's quite clear that a few editors still have fairly entrenched positions on this issue. This is unfortunate, but that's the way it is. You may find it inconvenient to slug it out article-by-article but that's the way it is too. Relentless and personalised attempts to continue rehashing this general issue here are sterile and destructive. I personally use infobox opera on all the articles I write and expand (in conjunction with navigation footers), and consider it highly preferable to the old vertical navboxes. But that is neither here nor there. The world is not going to come to an end if some articles do not have them and vice versa. So...
Russian tenor (deceased). Needs citations, cleanup, fleshing out. (That is, if it passes notability.) Softlavender ( talk) 09:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Georgian/Russian opera composer. Needs a little bit of help. Softlavender ( talk) 09:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Voceditenore, I am not sure about Armanda Degli Abbati vs. Armanda degli Abbati, - are you? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:45, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
A large number of opera-related templates have been proposed for deletion here. Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
I stumbled across something interesting while writing an article on Alfredo Costa. He had performed in an opera entitled Editha by composer Antonio Francesco Carbonieri. I had never heard of that composer and did a search out of curiosity. Apparently it was a pen name for Elisabeth of Wied who composed several operas under assumed names. Her wikipedia article has nothing on this currently. Anybody interested in updating her article can see this source for more information. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)