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I was bold and changed the template a bit: if you say nothing, the genre is Opera, you can specify something else using parameters "genre" or "type". Never was it easier to add an infobox, we have now a simple model: Template:Infobox opera/doc#Blank, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Just discovered this article on a notable tenor. It's been completely unreferenced since it was created in 2006! 4meter4 ( talk) 01:04, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
An IP, from Italy (of all places), is repeatedly attempting to overwrite the article, changing all the names to English, i.e. Lucy and her pals Arthur, Henry, and Edgar. The IP's now been reverted 3 times (me and two other editors), but I suspect they will be very persistent. Sigh. Voceditenore ( talk) 18:57, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
List of operas at the Innsbruck Festival of Early Music needs to have all the internal links checked and fixed. It was pulled over straight from de:Liste der Opernproduktionen bei den Innsbrucker Festwochen der Alten Musik. Many of the links go to DAB pages or are redlinked when the article actually exists under a different name, or go to an opera of the same name but by a different composer. There's also a lot of use ’ instead of ' which is also messing up the titles. I've fixed one or two (and turned the German text into English into the references section, but haven't got time to do the rest. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 06:52, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Antandrus. I suspect that the editor at Abigail Kelly will probably cut it out after my note on her talk page. The main problem with Diletta Rizzo Marin was that IPs (in general) constantly change, even when they're the same person. Thus, it's virtually impossible to communicate with them. Voceditenore ( talk) 17:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 16:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC) Updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 08:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
This month:
In the last issue of the WikiProject X Newsletter, I discussed the upcoming Wikipedia Requests system: a central database for outstanding work on Wikipedia. I am pleased to announce Wikipedia Requests is live! Its purpose is to supplement automatically generated lists, such as those from SuggestBot, Reports bot, or Wikidata. It is currently being demonstrated on WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health (which I work on as part of my NIOSH duties) and WikiProject Women scientists.
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WikiProject X maintains a database that associates article talk pages (and draft talk pages) with WikiProjects. This database powers many of the reports that Reports bot generates. However, until very recently, this database was not made available to others who might find its data useful. It's only common sense to open up the database and let others build tools with it.
And indeed: Citation Hunt, the game to add citations to Wikipedia, now lets you filter by WikiProject, using the data from our database.
Are you a tool developer interested in using this? Here are some details: the database resides on Tool Labs with the name s52475__wpx_p
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Harej ( talk) 01:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I've initiated a peer review for Busoni and would welcome all or any constructive comments. I'm hoping to get it up to GA but am presently feeling a bit blocked with it - what does it need?-- Smerus ( talk) 15:54, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
This article is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Campbell (vocal coach). Voceditenore ( talk) 17:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
If anyone is looking for some useful but relatively undemanding donkey work, this category needs to be ideally empty. There are currently 111 unassessed articles. I'll be working on reducing the category, but all help would be greatly appreciated. Since the category updates each time an article receives an assessment, there's little danger of overlapping work. When assessing, also check that the article is truly under the project's scope. Sometimes I find the banner on old theatres (especially in the US) which are called "X Opera House" but never actually saw or see opera performances on a regular basis and on pop singers who once took opera singing lessons or covered an aria on one of their recordings but have never once sung in an opera in an opera house. Voceditenore ( talk) 08:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
There were no suggestions for May, so I just went ahead and filled them in. May's Composer of the Month is Werner Egk and his red-linked operas. May's Operas of the Month are red-linked baroque operas by Hasse, Cesti, and Conti, all of which received modern performances the Innsbruck Festival of Early Music.
Any suggestions for June? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Any suggestions? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I've now nominated Ferruccio Busoni for GA review and welcome all and any comments and contributions there - also someone willing to start it!. Smerus ( talk) 17:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Kari Løvaas, should she have her Norwegian name, or Lövaas as the German spelled it where she had her early career, or Lovaas as Bach cantatas has it? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello. Please expand Amanda Majeski with in-line citations if you can. Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 03:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Additional recording: I won't add this, because I would botch formatting, but there is an additional recording of I due Foscari to those mentioned here (I am listening to this as I write): by the Orchestra E Coro Del Teatro La Fenice Di Venezia, Tullio Serafin conducting, issued on the Hallmark label in 2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulAlanLevy ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Check out this month's issue of the WikiProject X newsletter, featuring the first screenshot of our new CollaborationKit software!
Harej ( talk) 00:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
De Temporum Fine Comoedia, or should it be De temporum fine comœdia, as the Orff website says? "All capitals" is not typical for Latin (French, Italian ...). I gave the composer a navbox, and think both biography and works might profit from attention ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:09, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Especially:
Perhaps someone could check this for notability, and for references? - a number of the links listed seem dead.-- Smerus ( talk) 12:44, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Now this is a truly interesting bit about its "cultural references", but would no doubt lead to a firestorm. Nevertheless, here it is for your collective delectation...
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:24, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
The recent removal of all content at Rudolf Rojahn and conversion into a REDIRECT to Guerilla Opera, without any transfer of content, seems like a speedy delete. It should have been taken to WP:AFD. I have no interest in the article, but I think proper process ought to be followed. I've raised the matter at Talk:Rudolf Rojahn and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 09:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Dear Opera Fans,
Thank you for your attention and reading my calling for saving the article opera singer Filip Bandžak on English Wikipédia. This young, talented and notable opera singer who has performed all in the world and also in my native country, Hungary, I have thought, is worth creating Wiki articles. Unfortunately, in English wikipedia this article is offended and some of editors (I think it's only the minority) think that this article should be delated, see the link below:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Filip Bandžak
Please help me and let's save this musician article. I hope you can vote for keeping. Thank you. Borgatya ( talk) 20:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Discussions whether The Threepenny Opera is indeed an opera took place in June 2007 and January 2009. There were arguments in both directions, 3 in favour, 1 against in 2007; 4 in favour, 2 against in 2009. The arguments in favour cited several opera reference works which list it, the argument against in 2007 was that it doesn't sound like an opera and is performed in venues other than opera houses, in 2009 that a) it just isn't; b) it's an important piece of theatre history; and c) doesn't conform with OED's definition of "opera", which I just looked up: "A dramatic musical work in which singing forms an essential part, chiefly consisting of recitatives, arias, and choruses, with orchestral accompaniment; a performance of such a work; a libretto or musical score for such a work."
Today, without discussion, one of the opponents from 2009, User:DionysosProteus, removed all opera-related categories: (long) diff, edit summary: "Reordering and cats". I don't see why several classes of categories – theatre, musical theatre,opera – can't all be applied here, in part because banners for projects of those areas are on the article's talk page, and of course because of the for arguments in previous discussions. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 12:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm afraid that you are, I assume inadvertently, misrepresenting the source. Grove does not say that it's an opera. On the contrary, in the list of "Operas, Operettas, Musicals and Ballets", it is described as "play with music". (Grove 1980 v.20, 309). The arguments against calling it an opera are that, as the image in the article states unambiguously, as does the lede, that it is a "play with music", or a musical. The categorisation in place is OR. A search on Youtube for recordings offers a common-sense based definition as well. No one who has actually experienced the work imagines it's an opera. Our article ought not to mislead its readers with a false categorisation, regardless of a Wikiproject's (false) sense of ownership. • DP • {huh?} 16:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Antony and Cleopatra has comic elements, without it being a comedy. There are forty sources on the talk page for your perusal that should clear up the confusion. • DP • {huh?} 00:02, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I selected each and every one of the more than forty sources, all of which are reliable, third-party sources, on Google books, precisely so that you could. If I was able to confirm that each one said that it is a musical, then so, too, are you. I have not selected sources from an academic library for precisely that reason--though the overwhelming majority there, too, would concur. You are welcome to provide a list of sources that explicitly say that it is an opera, if you are able to locate them. The categorisation indicated by the general scholarly consensus is Category:Musicals by Kurt Weill. You are welcome, too, to indicate which specific sources in that long list are unreliable and why, too. • DP • {huh?} 03:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
It seems that DP just doesn't understand that a topic may belong to more than one category. The 'ownership' aspect of this discussion is entirely on his side. The fact that he selected 40 sources so as to reinforce his own view makes this clear. No one in this project has argued that the article should be categorised exclusively as opera. I refer again to the quote from the respected music critic Hans Keller which I cite above - indicating that the work can be viewed (and heard) both as an opera and a musical - which I think effectively closes the discussion.-- Smerus ( talk) 06:14, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
It is a new one on me that an opera has by definition to be performed at an opera house. Isn't this just a bit pointy? (How about, e.g. Found and Lost?). Nevertheless, look here at Operabase for performances of the 'Threepenny Opera' since 2014 alone, which include Amarillo Opera, Tacoma Opera, Opera du Toulon, Theater an der Wien, etc. etc.-- Smerus ( talk) 08:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I recently expanded this article and would like some feedback based on this Wikiproject. I looked at some other articles about opera singers for format ideas, but not sure if I'm using the style guide you recommend. Thanks! tufkaa ( talk) 21:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
What is the standard for including mention of a subjects contemporaries in an article? My understanding is that it is common practice to mention fellow performers of note when mentioning debut or other important specific performances. As in, Jean Kraft made her debut in such and such alongside Beverly Sills. Yes? tufkaa ( talk) 00:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC) tufkaa ( talk) 00:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I hesitate to put this issue before this group. (Personally speaking, I never found Florence Foster Jenkins's recordings very funny.) Those people who have an intense interest in FFJ have produced an article which has way too much opinion. With the U.S. release of the Meryl Streep film, perhaps some members would like to exercise their editing talents in reshaping the article to have a more encyclopedic tone. - kosboot ( talk) 01:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
This is an interesting new article on one of the arias in Handel's Giulio Cesare in Egitto. But it needs some attention to the layout and Template:infobox song currently in the article is wrong for this. It's basically designed for pop songs and needs to be changed to Template:Infobox musical composition. I'd do this myself, but I'm off for a month in deepest darkest Tuscany with suitcases to pack and limited internet access once I'm there. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 09:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Earlier in the month extracts from this opera were performed in England. And given the recent announcement by Naxos Records that new recording of Stanfords Choral music is coming out in September, I thought it might be worthwhile expanding this article. I have made a preliminary step in converting the sources to the current reference format. But I thought I'd post here as I've not done much editing of opera articles and I would like help from more experienced editors in this matter. Graham1973 ( talk) 13:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
On the occasion of " Va tacito e nascosto" appearing on the main page in DYK, the question of formatting foreign-language arias – and by extension, songs – has been raised. User:The Rambling Man applied the, in my view wrong, italic formatting from DYK to this article and suggested a wider discussion or raising it at WP:Main Page/Errors#Errors in the current Did you know.... At Talk:Va tacito e nascosto, I pointed out that according to MOS:ITALICS, the titles of major works (operas, albums, books) are italicised (details at MOS:TITLE), and minor works (songs, arias, poems) are not. I also mentioned that there's an obvious conflict with MOS:FOREIGN in this case, but that it is long-standing practice to apply MOS:NOITALIC, regardless of the aria's language.
1) Am I correct in my assumptions about the formatting of arias/songs in foreign languages – not italicised but in quotation marks? Do the WP:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines need a section on this subject? Note that the section WP:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines § Arias, duets, choruses etc. uses that convention. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello opera experts. Is this draft ready for mainspace? I'm sorry if I asked this before; I can't seem to find an archive search box here.— Anne Delong ( talk) 16:23, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the move discussion at Talk:La Vie Parisienne was listed WP:WikiProject Opera/Article alerts. Anyway, the result was that Offenbach's La vie parisienne has been moved to La Vie parisienne (operetta). I think that's not in accordance with WP:OPERATITLE's preference for sentence case for foreign-language titles, and where this work is specifically mentioned as an example. I mentioned this at Talk:La Vie parisienne (operetta) and would like some input which disambiguator should be used, "(Offenbach)", "(operetta)" or "(opera)". I'd prefer the first. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 23:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello, I've translated an article about the opera, and I would appreciate if someone could proof-read it. I think, this artile at least could be interesitng to read, as an example of Russian postmodern art, so if anyone could fix some spelling/syntax problems during the reading, that would be great :-) I cannot find any sources in English, unfortunately. The Russian article was reviewed by several people for a "Good article" nomination, but there I cannot get the topic expained to match their criteria, so currently "Readable articles" project reviewes it to get a nomination. I.e. though an English speaker cannot read the sources, no worries, you can match them to Russian ones which were/are being checked by Russian reviewers. Thanks! -- EUvin ( talk) 12:59, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
(Just a drive-by comment) ... I was a bit surprised by the composer portrait on the Oscar Ferdinand Telgmann page. Scarabocchio ( talk) 16:02, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
This article is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paola Lazzarini. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 120 | ← | Archive 123 | Archive 124 | Archive 125 | Archive 126 | Archive 127 | → | Archive 130 |
I was bold and changed the template a bit: if you say nothing, the genre is Opera, you can specify something else using parameters "genre" or "type". Never was it easier to add an infobox, we have now a simple model: Template:Infobox opera/doc#Blank, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Just discovered this article on a notable tenor. It's been completely unreferenced since it was created in 2006! 4meter4 ( talk) 01:04, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
An IP, from Italy (of all places), is repeatedly attempting to overwrite the article, changing all the names to English, i.e. Lucy and her pals Arthur, Henry, and Edgar. The IP's now been reverted 3 times (me and two other editors), but I suspect they will be very persistent. Sigh. Voceditenore ( talk) 18:57, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
List of operas at the Innsbruck Festival of Early Music needs to have all the internal links checked and fixed. It was pulled over straight from de:Liste der Opernproduktionen bei den Innsbrucker Festwochen der Alten Musik. Many of the links go to DAB pages or are redlinked when the article actually exists under a different name, or go to an opera of the same name but by a different composer. There's also a lot of use ’ instead of ' which is also messing up the titles. I've fixed one or two (and turned the German text into English into the references section, but haven't got time to do the rest. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 06:52, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Antandrus. I suspect that the editor at Abigail Kelly will probably cut it out after my note on her talk page. The main problem with Diletta Rizzo Marin was that IPs (in general) constantly change, even when they're the same person. Thus, it's virtually impossible to communicate with them. Voceditenore ( talk) 17:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 16:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC) Updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 08:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
This month:
In the last issue of the WikiProject X Newsletter, I discussed the upcoming Wikipedia Requests system: a central database for outstanding work on Wikipedia. I am pleased to announce Wikipedia Requests is live! Its purpose is to supplement automatically generated lists, such as those from SuggestBot, Reports bot, or Wikidata. It is currently being demonstrated on WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health (which I work on as part of my NIOSH duties) and WikiProject Women scientists.
Adding a request is as simple as filling out a form. Just go to the Add form to add your request. Adding sources will help ensure that your request is fulfilled more quickly. And when a request is fulfilled, simply click "mark as complete" and it will be removed from all the lists it's on. All at the click of a button! (If anyone is concerned, all actions are logged.)
With this new service is a template to transclude these requests: {{
Wikipedia Requests}}. It's simple to use: add the template to a page, specifying article=
, category=
, or wikiproject=
, and the list will be transcluded. For example, for requests having to do with all living people, just do {{
Wikipedia Requests|category=Living people}}
. Use these lists on WikiProjects but also for edit-a-thons where you want a convenient list of things to do on hand. Give it a shot!
The value of Wikipedia Requests comes from being a centralized database. The long work to migrating individual lists into this combined list is slowly underway. As of writing, we have 883 open tasks logged in Wikipedia Requests. We need your help building this list.
If you know of a list of missing articles, or of outstanding tasks for existing articles, that you would like to migrate to this new system, head on over to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Requests#Transition project and help out. Doing this will help put your list in front of more eyes—more than just your own WikiProject.
WikiProject X maintains a database that associates article talk pages (and draft talk pages) with WikiProjects. This database powers many of the reports that Reports bot generates. However, until very recently, this database was not made available to others who might find its data useful. It's only common sense to open up the database and let others build tools with it.
And indeed: Citation Hunt, the game to add citations to Wikipedia, now lets you filter by WikiProject, using the data from our database.
Are you a tool developer interested in using this? Here are some details: the database resides on Tool Labs with the name s52475__wpx_p
. The table that associates WikiProjects with articles and drafts is called projectindex
. Pages are stored by talk page title but in the future this should change. Have fun!
Until next time,
Harej ( talk) 01:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I've initiated a peer review for Busoni and would welcome all or any constructive comments. I'm hoping to get it up to GA but am presently feeling a bit blocked with it - what does it need?-- Smerus ( talk) 15:54, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
This article is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Campbell (vocal coach). Voceditenore ( talk) 17:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
If anyone is looking for some useful but relatively undemanding donkey work, this category needs to be ideally empty. There are currently 111 unassessed articles. I'll be working on reducing the category, but all help would be greatly appreciated. Since the category updates each time an article receives an assessment, there's little danger of overlapping work. When assessing, also check that the article is truly under the project's scope. Sometimes I find the banner on old theatres (especially in the US) which are called "X Opera House" but never actually saw or see opera performances on a regular basis and on pop singers who once took opera singing lessons or covered an aria on one of their recordings but have never once sung in an opera in an opera house. Voceditenore ( talk) 08:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
There were no suggestions for May, so I just went ahead and filled them in. May's Composer of the Month is Werner Egk and his red-linked operas. May's Operas of the Month are red-linked baroque operas by Hasse, Cesti, and Conti, all of which received modern performances the Innsbruck Festival of Early Music.
Any suggestions for June? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Any suggestions? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I've now nominated Ferruccio Busoni for GA review and welcome all and any comments and contributions there - also someone willing to start it!. Smerus ( talk) 17:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Kari Løvaas, should she have her Norwegian name, or Lövaas as the German spelled it where she had her early career, or Lovaas as Bach cantatas has it? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello. Please expand Amanda Majeski with in-line citations if you can. Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 03:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Additional recording: I won't add this, because I would botch formatting, but there is an additional recording of I due Foscari to those mentioned here (I am listening to this as I write): by the Orchestra E Coro Del Teatro La Fenice Di Venezia, Tullio Serafin conducting, issued on the Hallmark label in 2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulAlanLevy ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Check out this month's issue of the WikiProject X newsletter, featuring the first screenshot of our new CollaborationKit software!
Harej ( talk) 00:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
De Temporum Fine Comoedia, or should it be De temporum fine comœdia, as the Orff website says? "All capitals" is not typical for Latin (French, Italian ...). I gave the composer a navbox, and think both biography and works might profit from attention ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:09, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Especially:
Perhaps someone could check this for notability, and for references? - a number of the links listed seem dead.-- Smerus ( talk) 12:44, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Now this is a truly interesting bit about its "cultural references", but would no doubt lead to a firestorm. Nevertheless, here it is for your collective delectation...
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:24, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
The recent removal of all content at Rudolf Rojahn and conversion into a REDIRECT to Guerilla Opera, without any transfer of content, seems like a speedy delete. It should have been taken to WP:AFD. I have no interest in the article, but I think proper process ought to be followed. I've raised the matter at Talk:Rudolf Rojahn and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 09:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Dear Opera Fans,
Thank you for your attention and reading my calling for saving the article opera singer Filip Bandžak on English Wikipédia. This young, talented and notable opera singer who has performed all in the world and also in my native country, Hungary, I have thought, is worth creating Wiki articles. Unfortunately, in English wikipedia this article is offended and some of editors (I think it's only the minority) think that this article should be delated, see the link below:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Filip Bandžak
Please help me and let's save this musician article. I hope you can vote for keeping. Thank you. Borgatya ( talk) 20:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Discussions whether The Threepenny Opera is indeed an opera took place in June 2007 and January 2009. There were arguments in both directions, 3 in favour, 1 against in 2007; 4 in favour, 2 against in 2009. The arguments in favour cited several opera reference works which list it, the argument against in 2007 was that it doesn't sound like an opera and is performed in venues other than opera houses, in 2009 that a) it just isn't; b) it's an important piece of theatre history; and c) doesn't conform with OED's definition of "opera", which I just looked up: "A dramatic musical work in which singing forms an essential part, chiefly consisting of recitatives, arias, and choruses, with orchestral accompaniment; a performance of such a work; a libretto or musical score for such a work."
Today, without discussion, one of the opponents from 2009, User:DionysosProteus, removed all opera-related categories: (long) diff, edit summary: "Reordering and cats". I don't see why several classes of categories – theatre, musical theatre,opera – can't all be applied here, in part because banners for projects of those areas are on the article's talk page, and of course because of the for arguments in previous discussions. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 12:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm afraid that you are, I assume inadvertently, misrepresenting the source. Grove does not say that it's an opera. On the contrary, in the list of "Operas, Operettas, Musicals and Ballets", it is described as "play with music". (Grove 1980 v.20, 309). The arguments against calling it an opera are that, as the image in the article states unambiguously, as does the lede, that it is a "play with music", or a musical. The categorisation in place is OR. A search on Youtube for recordings offers a common-sense based definition as well. No one who has actually experienced the work imagines it's an opera. Our article ought not to mislead its readers with a false categorisation, regardless of a Wikiproject's (false) sense of ownership. • DP • {huh?} 16:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Antony and Cleopatra has comic elements, without it being a comedy. There are forty sources on the talk page for your perusal that should clear up the confusion. • DP • {huh?} 00:02, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I selected each and every one of the more than forty sources, all of which are reliable, third-party sources, on Google books, precisely so that you could. If I was able to confirm that each one said that it is a musical, then so, too, are you. I have not selected sources from an academic library for precisely that reason--though the overwhelming majority there, too, would concur. You are welcome to provide a list of sources that explicitly say that it is an opera, if you are able to locate them. The categorisation indicated by the general scholarly consensus is Category:Musicals by Kurt Weill. You are welcome, too, to indicate which specific sources in that long list are unreliable and why, too. • DP • {huh?} 03:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
It seems that DP just doesn't understand that a topic may belong to more than one category. The 'ownership' aspect of this discussion is entirely on his side. The fact that he selected 40 sources so as to reinforce his own view makes this clear. No one in this project has argued that the article should be categorised exclusively as opera. I refer again to the quote from the respected music critic Hans Keller which I cite above - indicating that the work can be viewed (and heard) both as an opera and a musical - which I think effectively closes the discussion.-- Smerus ( talk) 06:14, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
It is a new one on me that an opera has by definition to be performed at an opera house. Isn't this just a bit pointy? (How about, e.g. Found and Lost?). Nevertheless, look here at Operabase for performances of the 'Threepenny Opera' since 2014 alone, which include Amarillo Opera, Tacoma Opera, Opera du Toulon, Theater an der Wien, etc. etc.-- Smerus ( talk) 08:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I recently expanded this article and would like some feedback based on this Wikiproject. I looked at some other articles about opera singers for format ideas, but not sure if I'm using the style guide you recommend. Thanks! tufkaa ( talk) 21:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
What is the standard for including mention of a subjects contemporaries in an article? My understanding is that it is common practice to mention fellow performers of note when mentioning debut or other important specific performances. As in, Jean Kraft made her debut in such and such alongside Beverly Sills. Yes? tufkaa ( talk) 00:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC) tufkaa ( talk) 00:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I hesitate to put this issue before this group. (Personally speaking, I never found Florence Foster Jenkins's recordings very funny.) Those people who have an intense interest in FFJ have produced an article which has way too much opinion. With the U.S. release of the Meryl Streep film, perhaps some members would like to exercise their editing talents in reshaping the article to have a more encyclopedic tone. - kosboot ( talk) 01:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
This is an interesting new article on one of the arias in Handel's Giulio Cesare in Egitto. But it needs some attention to the layout and Template:infobox song currently in the article is wrong for this. It's basically designed for pop songs and needs to be changed to Template:Infobox musical composition. I'd do this myself, but I'm off for a month in deepest darkest Tuscany with suitcases to pack and limited internet access once I'm there. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 09:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Earlier in the month extracts from this opera were performed in England. And given the recent announcement by Naxos Records that new recording of Stanfords Choral music is coming out in September, I thought it might be worthwhile expanding this article. I have made a preliminary step in converting the sources to the current reference format. But I thought I'd post here as I've not done much editing of opera articles and I would like help from more experienced editors in this matter. Graham1973 ( talk) 13:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
On the occasion of " Va tacito e nascosto" appearing on the main page in DYK, the question of formatting foreign-language arias – and by extension, songs – has been raised. User:The Rambling Man applied the, in my view wrong, italic formatting from DYK to this article and suggested a wider discussion or raising it at WP:Main Page/Errors#Errors in the current Did you know.... At Talk:Va tacito e nascosto, I pointed out that according to MOS:ITALICS, the titles of major works (operas, albums, books) are italicised (details at MOS:TITLE), and minor works (songs, arias, poems) are not. I also mentioned that there's an obvious conflict with MOS:FOREIGN in this case, but that it is long-standing practice to apply MOS:NOITALIC, regardless of the aria's language.
1) Am I correct in my assumptions about the formatting of arias/songs in foreign languages – not italicised but in quotation marks? Do the WP:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines need a section on this subject? Note that the section WP:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines § Arias, duets, choruses etc. uses that convention. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello opera experts. Is this draft ready for mainspace? I'm sorry if I asked this before; I can't seem to find an archive search box here.— Anne Delong ( talk) 16:23, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the move discussion at Talk:La Vie Parisienne was listed WP:WikiProject Opera/Article alerts. Anyway, the result was that Offenbach's La vie parisienne has been moved to La Vie parisienne (operetta). I think that's not in accordance with WP:OPERATITLE's preference for sentence case for foreign-language titles, and where this work is specifically mentioned as an example. I mentioned this at Talk:La Vie parisienne (operetta) and would like some input which disambiguator should be used, "(Offenbach)", "(operetta)" or "(opera)". I'd prefer the first. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 23:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello, I've translated an article about the opera, and I would appreciate if someone could proof-read it. I think, this artile at least could be interesitng to read, as an example of Russian postmodern art, so if anyone could fix some spelling/syntax problems during the reading, that would be great :-) I cannot find any sources in English, unfortunately. The Russian article was reviewed by several people for a "Good article" nomination, but there I cannot get the topic expained to match their criteria, so currently "Readable articles" project reviewes it to get a nomination. I.e. though an English speaker cannot read the sources, no worries, you can match them to Russian ones which were/are being checked by Russian reviewers. Thanks! -- EUvin ( talk) 12:59, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
(Just a drive-by comment) ... I was a bit surprised by the composer portrait on the Oscar Ferdinand Telgmann page. Scarabocchio ( talk) 16:02, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
This article is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paola Lazzarini. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)