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Saint Petersburg bid for the 1994 Winter Olympics doesn't appear to be a thing. It's not listed at the sourced link and the city at the time of the bid would have been Leningrad. Google also revealed nothing. What gives? Jmj713 ( talk) 14:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
(Also posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics) I notice that some (though not all) of the Olympic decathlon champions have a succession box on their pages for holders of the title "World's Greatest Athlete". Since this is a completely unofficial title, and synonymous with the less ambiguous "Olympic decathlon champion", might I suggest either that these succession boxes be renamed, or that they be removed altogether, since they are merely duplicating information also provided by Template:Footer Olympic Champions Decathlon? -- Walnuts go kapow ( talk) 17:35, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 16:41, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to bring to the project's attention that there's an ongoing discussion regarding {{ Olympic Games}} where the overall historical consensus has always been to omit city names from the navigation template for ease of parsing. Looking over the template's edit and talk history, this topic has come up several times, but historically, we've mostly kept years only. I would like some finality with the template to be established going forward, if anyone would care to weigh in. Jmj713 ( talk) 22:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ice hockey at the 2022 Winter Olympics is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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In the Korean version of /info/en/?search=Gangneung_Oval, the given name is Gyeongpo Oval (강릉 스피드 스케이팅 경기장 and not 경포 타원형 경기장). I consequently think the title of the article should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.230.185.68 ( talk) 03:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:01, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
i like to get help any kind ways — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.251.226 ( talk) 22:47, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Art competitions at the Olympic Games → Art competitions at the Summer Olympics – The only [sport] at the Olympics Games articles we have are Ice hockey at the Olympic Games and Figure skating at the Olympic Games. This is because these sports were contested at both the Summer and Winter Games. The art competitions were never contested at the Winter Games only at the seven editions of the Summer Games. Therefore, to comply with naming convention, I recommend the move. Note: the associated category Category:Art competitions at the Olympic Games would be moved as well. Thoughts? -- Ianblair23 (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello guys,
I'm from Brazil and I'm a member/coordinator of the Wikimedia Brazilian Group of Education and Research. Since the next Olympics will be here in my city, I would like to see if I can help with any info or support. My idea is to replicate the WikiProject Olympics at pt.wiki to improve all informations regarding the summer games in our native language. Our group will have a meeting during the next week to plan better our initiatives here for the next year. Ping me if you need any local support/info. Best regards Rodrigo Padula ( talk) 15:12, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
What's Wikipedia's current level of coverage of the Olympics? Very good is the answer, but I was wondering about specifics. Is there an article for every non-demonstration event that ever happened? Like "women's 100 meters breaststroke at Paris 1924"? Does every Country in the XXXX Olympics article exist? Or every winner or medalist? Every venue? Sagittarian Milky Way ( talk) 20:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
South Africa Sport Confederation and Olympics Committee (SASCOC) declared that the athletes who qualified from continental qualification events would not be considered to participate the 2016 Olympics. This is the refernce. So, I think all articles which South African athletes qualified in continental events should remove and replaced by each sports' reallocation. There are 4 qualifications, women rugby, men and women hockey, and one event of women diving. It also happened in 2012 Olympics which Both hockey teams didn't participate in the Olympics. Please give me an opinion. Thanks. Noncommittalp ( talk) 12:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:in case alerts haven't picked them up. In ictu oculi ( talk) 17:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I ran across Turkey at the 2004 Summer Olympics and removed the external link to the Turkish committee [1] and the link in the infobox as well [2]. Such links only belong if they were references (which I doubt could happen) or in articles specifically about the committees, National Olympic Committee of Turkey for this specific link. It appears that such links have been included as a standard component in Olympics articles. Thought it best to bring up here. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I assume any large-scale changes are just too much work for the little improvement in the articles themselves. However, I think the templates should all have the external links removed. -- Ronz ( talk) 22:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the links from a few more templates. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:53, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Jonas kam: @ Andrwsc: @ Ianblair23:: Do we need to discuss this before I just remove all the links from the templates? -- Ronz ( talk) 16:13, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Per this MOS headings are to be kept to a minimum, and a user keeps reverting my edits when I remove the unnecessary headings on the different nation pages. So who is in the right here? Also can the policy be changed without discussion? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 18:35, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
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Pls see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Brazil#Olympic games improvement drive. Thanks. fgnievinski ( talk) 04:01, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Howdy. May we have some input at this discussion? thanks :) GoodDay ( talk) 20:10, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. Many individual projects have adapted to use the Module:Sports table and the use is spread accross wikipedia now (and also already in some Olympic tables). Shouild we not update guidelines like Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Manual of Style (Games summary – Nations) to the use of this module? Qed237 (talk) 16:39, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi. Should we list "knockout stage" ( diff) as used in other tournaments I have seen like 2015–16 UEFA Champions League and other tournaments since after group stage comes knockout stage? Or should we list the round in knockout stage they have qualified for i.e. "Round of 16", "Quarter-finals", "Semi-finals" and so on ( diff)? I think it would be good with consistency over all sports (if possible). Also I am trying to update all tables to Module:Sports table used in many sports. Qed237 (talk) 11:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Category:Top-importance Olympics articles includes some odd choices. Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Olympic Bids is partly to blame. How can the article about Bids for Foo Games be more important than the article about Foo Games? jnestorius( talk) 11:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I started a discussion at Template talk:FlagIOCmedalist about the strangeness of FlagIOCmedalist. We have had FlagIOCathlete being used in tennis Olympic articles for quite some, and I don't really see a problem with it. But in the last few days pretty much ALL of those articles have been changed to FlagIOCmedalist as in this example. I was told that FlagIOCmedalist must be used. Now, I wasn't going to complain that the full country name was being used instead of the code, even though the code has mouseover to the country name, and the full country name is much longer. But what I am complaining about is the use of the country code plus the country name. That is ridiculous and completely unnecessary! We try to streamline these things and this adds even more coding. This template needs to be changed so that it omits the country code or at the very least only gives the country code as an optional item. We don't need both for heaven's sake. I was going to start an RfC but figured that bringing it to your attention here might get it done faster and avoid that hassle. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi! There is a current discussion about the removal of the 3-digit country code here. — Andy W. ( talk · contrib) 00:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I posted my proposal at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volleyball/Archive 2#Tables, but I think this is a better place to get a good discussion. What I do miss on Olympic team sport pages, is linking to the Nation Olympic pages (like
Brazil at the 2016 Summer Olympics). For individuals at the Olympics (like
Ellen van Dijk (
NED)) you can click to the person AND to the nation page. For team sports it is different of course because both the team sport and the olympic page is about the nation. But what about someting like:
Men's volleyball team (
BRA) - (instead of
Brazil)
Thanks,
Sander.v.Ginkel (
Talk)
12:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
{{
FlagIOCvb|BRA|2016 Summer}}
.{{
FlagIOCvbw|BRA|2016 Summer}}
.@ Sander.v.Ginkel, Kante4, and Sander.v.Ginkel: well I think I got Sander.v.Ginkel's idea. Check this out:
{{FlagIOCteam/sandbox|BRA|2016 Summer|men|volleyball}}
produces:
Brazil (BRA)
{{FlagIOCteam/sandbox|BRA|2016 Summer|women|volleyball}}
produces:
Brazil (BRA)
{{FlagIOCteam/sandbox|GER|2012 Summer|women|field hockey}}
produces:
Germany (GER)
This is currently in the sandbox only. If Sander.v.Ginkel is okay with this, maybe submit an edit request, mention me, and I think can process it in about 2 days. — Andy W. ( talk · contrib) 20:43, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Underneath these headings there should be a results table listing all athletes from the nation competing in that sport. In the case of a nation having more than six competitors in a given sport, this table may be further split into "Men" and "Women" results tables. Should this be changed to allow for two different tables (one per gender) irrespective of the amount of athletes qualified (including less than 6)? I say No. What does everyone else think? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 04:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Tried to make this comment earlier but kept getting a Wikipedia in read-only mode error... Completely agree with Parutakupiu. There is a need to apply a bit of common sense and reasoning on a case-by-case basis. For some sports (e.g gymnastics) there is an obvious advantage to separate tables whatever the number of competitors. I don't recall why six was the limit chosen, I suspect it was somewhat arbitrary and I would caution against any entirely definitive limit - there is a big difference between six athletes each competing in a single event (badminton perhaps) and six athletes in multiple events (e.g. swimming). - Basement12 (T. C) 16:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
For the record I have now warned both Raymarcbadz and Sportsfan 1234 over edit warring on this issue. If they persist I feel there will be little choice but to give them some time to cool down. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think where we stand is that the majority opinion is tables can be merged wherever possible, it doesn't matter if some nations are merged an others not (depending on athlete numbers) - Basement12 (T. C) 12:44, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Has anyone got any further and recent info on the latest with her death? Everything was updated in November, but I can't find any more info on if someone has been charged/convicted with her death. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Fyi, I've nominated Template:2016 Summer Olympics Participating National Olympic Committees – Flag-bearers for discussion/deletion. It was created through Wikipedia:Drafts but as far as I can see isn't used anywhere and isn't necessary. Please weigh in with any thoughts here. Thanks - Basement12 (T. C) 08:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I would like to ask you a question without any argument about the styling of the group match templates. Which among these options are more appropriate for them? Dotting the lines or background color? Is adding a background color against MOS? I don't think there's a clear explanation and proof about the problem. Any comments please, Basement12, Kante4, Qed237. Thanks! Raymarcbadz ( talk) 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
In this example Sportsfan was correct to do so it seems. No idea why you insist on removing the links to qualification summaries and it seems if there is a consensus on colour it's to not have it in these cases. Additionally you still refuse to use a WP:EDITSUMMARY which certainly doesn't help matters if you aren't explaining what you're doing. The infighting between the two of you is getting beyond ridiculous - Basement12 (T. C) 15:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
( edit conflict)@ Qed237: See my note of your talk page but in general these articles are supposed to be more than a listing of results. They should have additional prose and colour added around the story of the athlete's performance. At a time when the Games haven't started and qualification is ongoing those links are particularly useful to the reader. @ Raymarcbadz: Canada has got less than zero to do with this. Changes to the style of the articles have been discussed above and in general the idea of removing colours is a good one. You continue to make changes without explaining your reasoning, conduct edit wars, and it isn't helpful so yes you are doing something very wrong. If you are concerned about particular changes discuss them on this talk page and if you do please give people some examples to look at. Basement12 (T. C) 15:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I have various concerns for rowing and shooting, so I decided to show you some examples.
Athlete | Event | Heats | Repechage | Semifinals | Final | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Felipe Cardenas Bernardo Guerrero |
Lightweight double sculls |
Athlete | Event | Heats | Repechage | Semifinals | Final | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Melita Abraham Josefa Veliz |
Lightweight double sculls |
Athlete | Event | Heats | Repechage | Semifinals | Final | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Felipe Cardenas Bernardo Guerrero |
Men's lightweight double sculls | ||||||||
Melita Abraham Josefa Veliz |
Women's lightweight double sculls |
Qualification Legend: FA=Final A (medal); FB=Final B (non-medal); FC=Final C (non-medal); FD=Final D (non-medal); FE=Final E (non-medal); FF=Final F (non-medal); SA/B=Semifinals A/B; SC/D=Semifinals C/D; SE/F=Semifinals E/F; QF=Quarterfinals; R=Repechage
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | 50 m rifle prone | — | |||||
Jesper Hansen | Skeet |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Final | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Stine Nielsen | 10 m air rifle | ||||
50 m rifle 3 positions |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | Men's 50 m rifle prone | — | |||||
Jesper Hansen | Men's skeet | ||||||
Stine Nielsen | Women's 10 m air rifle | — | |||||
Women's 50 m rifle 3 positions | — |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | Men's rifle prone | — | |||||
Jesper Hansen | Men's skeet | ||||||
Stine Nielsen | Women's air rifle | — | |||||
Women's rifle 3 positions | — |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Final | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | Men's rifle prone | ||||
Stine Nielsen | Women's air rifle | ||||
Women's rifle 3 positions |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final / BM | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Opposition Result |
Rank | ||
Jesper Hansen | Men's skeet |
Qualification Legend: Q = Qualify for the next round; q = Qualify for the bronze medal (shotgun)
My concern for version two is that some of the words in a particular event are quite lengthy, unless we might change these words into a shorter version, and I might get worried of running out of space. Is there a possibility to shorten these words for enough spacing? Or is it okay for you regardless of the column width? I split these tables from the previous editions before to pave its way for enough spacing. Raymarcbadz ( talk) 17:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't see the obsession with splitting tables. I'm not sure what "they often have different articles anyway" is supposed to mean, as far as I see it the 100 metre and 400 metre sprint events have different articles but we don't split those into a different tables. Version 2 in both cases is the neatest way to record the results and keeps the article length down. Frankly in cases where a nation only has one male and one female athlete I think it looks ridiculous to split them. Personally I see no benefit whatsover to always splitting execept to ensure there is no more squabbling and to remove the need to make intelligent decisions on a case my case basis. Too much time has been wasted on this trivial issue already - Basement12 (T. C) 21:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
@ Qed237:, @ Basement12:, and @ Kante4:, do we need to split the tables if a sport contains six athletes? It's not even clearly enough. (no butting in of discussion please for others, respect). Raymarcbadz ( talk) 05:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Here is a list of sports where I think one table is good for countries with less than 6 athletes:
Which need separate tables:
A mix of the above:
No explanation needed.
Thoughts? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 14:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Define length of the article. It's still not clear again. Here are my thoughts.
Please take note that even if the sport contains a table with one athlete only, you don't need headings (men or women) anymore. Just apply the same method with 6 or less athletes for transparency.
I would suggest that you should create them on a sandbox and test it for efficiency. Also, provide a link for it (use an NOC page containing almost all of the sports) to show the example. Do not put them yet on the main articles without letting other users ( Qed237, Kante4, and Basement12 please take note) give their thoughts on your case in a more centralized discussion.
Raymarcbadz ( talk) 15:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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I noticed all the pages of Canoeing and kayaking at the Olympics are labelled with just the word canoeing. However, to label kayaking as canoeing is incorrect. Both disciplines take part in the Olympics under one IF. My proposal is to move all articles to Canoeing and Kayaking at the xxxx Olympics (and any associated articles). Is there any thoughts behind this? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 13:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
For the 45th time, if there are 6 or less athletes then one table is used (per the MOS). For Finland especially since both events are of the same discipline. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 04:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Again, really??? As I've stated I'd prefer if the qualification links were left permenently but whilst qualification is still going on then they really should be left in place. Removing them post-Games is a discussion for a different day. As for that tble on Finland it makes much more sense to combine when there are only 2 athletes in the same discipline - Basement12 (T. C) 10:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
May I recall your suggestions again. Here is a list of sports where I think one table is good for countries with less than 6 athletes:
Which need separate tables:
A mix of the above:
No explanation needed.
Thoughts? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 14:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Define length of the article. It's still not clear again. Here are my thoughts.
Please take note that even if the sport contains a table with one athlete only, you don't need headings (men or women) anymore. Just apply the same method with 6 or less athletes for transparency.
I would suggest that you should create them on a sandbox and test it for efficiency. Also, provide a link for it (use an NOC page containing almost all of the sports) to show the example. Do not put them yet on the main articles without letting other users ( Qed237, Kante4, and Basement12 please take note) give their thoughts on your case in a more centralized discussion.
Raymarcbadz ( talk) 15:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Vesa Törnroos | Men's trap | ||||||
Satu Mäkelä-Nummela | Women's trap |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Gordon Ireallyhavehadenoughofthisson | Men's trap | ||||||
Steven Seriouslyjuststopthesquabblingolovski | |||||||
Helen Pleasedonotwsteanymoreofmytimeonthisova | Women's trap |
i.e. how Sportsfan is putting the tables - Basement12 (T. C) 09:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
How about this one?
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Ray Bassil | Trap |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Ray Bassil | Women's trap |
Which one is better, @ Basement12:? In option 2, you don't need to add a heading. Raymarcbadz ( talk) 09:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
@ Basement12, Raymarcbadz, and Sportsfan 1234: First of all these kind of things should be discussed at WT:OLYMPICS so everyone in the project may join, I had no idea this was going on. If two editors have a dispute, take it to eachother but when different alternatives is discussed a project is better (when it expands over several articles). Personally I have always been for splitting, to be consistent and 6 athletes seems very arbitrary. I understand the TOC issue, so as a suggestion, how about always having an extra column for gender? Qed237 (talk) 15:23, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
For example:
Gender | Athlete | Event | Race | Net points | Final rank | ||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | M* | |||||
Men | Kaarle Tapper | Laser | — | ||||||||||||||
Tapio Nirkko | Finn | — | |||||||||||||||
Joonas Lindgren Niklas Lindgren |
470 | — | |||||||||||||||
Women | Tuuli Petäjä-Sirén | RS:X | |||||||||||||||
Tuula Tenkanen | Laser Radial | — | |||||||||||||||
Niki Blässar Mikaela Wulff |
470 | — | |||||||||||||||
Camilla Cedercreutz Noora Ruskola |
49erFX |
M = Medal race; EL = Eliminated – did not advance into the medal race
Or something like that? Qed237 (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
The above copied in from User talk:Raymarcbadz. Raymarcbadz, Qed237, Sportsfan 1234 plese continue the discusion here and not across a disparate set of user talkpages. Thanks- Basement12 (T. C) 12:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Does anybody have a source, that shows Australian Governor General William Deane opened the 2000 Summer Olympic Games, as a representative of Queen Elizabeth II? Also, some further input at that article, on this topic, would be appreciated :) GoodDay ( talk) 02:07, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Have you had a look to see what the official report says? - Basement12 (T. C) 07:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, a two-editor discussion on
Talk:Mie Østergaard Nielsen#Proposed move is stuck and could benefit from additional input. Thanks,
Gap9551 (
talk)
22:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Qed237, Basement12, Sportsfan 1234, and Raymarcbadz: Please have a look at the edits of Secret Agent Julio (alt) ( talk · contribs) who is redirecting the football templates. Are those edits correct or do we stick with the templates, which i think is better. Nevermind, not a single discussion was held... Kante4 ( talk) 08:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hopefully this change isn't too controversial, in most cases we already to it anyway. Currently we have wording in WP:OLYMOSNAT that suggests all athletes should be ordered alphabetically by surname;
"More than a single athlete in a sport category, whether individual, pair, or team, must be arranged alphabetically according to their last names".
Clearly we don't implement this across the board, particularly where there are tables containing a mix of men's and women's events, where we tend to put men's events grouped first before women's, or in cases where we order events by distance/weight class etc.. I suggest that if the alternatives are better the we should alter the wording of the manual of style for nation articles to formalise this (and ensure it is implemented consistently), changing the wording to e.g.
More than a single athlete in a sport category, whether individual, pair, or team: athletes must be arranged first with all men's events grouped before women's events ("Men's" is alphabetically first), then within the gender groups by increasing event distance/weight category/etc. (if applicable), and finally alphabetically according to the last names of the athletes.
As an example of the effect this would have, think about Australia at the 2016 Summer Olympics#Taekwondo. As the guidelines currently read this should really look like the below (version 1)
Athlete | Event | Round of 16 | Quarterfinals | Semifinals | Repechage | Bronze Medal | Final | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Rank | ||
Safwan Khalil | Men's −58 kg | |||||||
Carmen Marton | Women's −67 kg | |||||||
Caroline Marton | Women's −57 kg | |||||||
Hayder Shkara | Men's −80 kg |
But currently the guidelines are ignored in line with what I'm proposing (version 2):
Athlete | Event | Round of 16 | Quarterfinals | Semifinals | Repechage | Bronze Medal | Final | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Rank | ||
Safwan Khalil | Men's −58 kg | |||||||
Hayder Shkara | Men's −80 kg | |||||||
Caroline Marton | Women's −57 kg | |||||||
Carmen Marton | Women's −67 kg |
So which does everyone prefer the status quo (version 1) or the tables resulting form this new proposal (version 2)? Personally I'd lean towards 2 - Basement12 (T. C) 13:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Woohoo! For once it looks like everyone is in agreement on that. One further question whilst we're considering these things, in cases where we have both should we order by discipline or distance first? I'm mainly thinking of swimming here
Currently a mix of styles is used, with the most common being all swimmers listed alphabetically (e.g. Great Britain) or ordered by discipline but with freestyle first (which seems an odd choice) (e.g. Canada). This is relevant even on single gender tables and could also be a factor for sprint canoeing (c and k events) and possibly shooting (pistol, rifle) - Thoughts Basement12 (T. C) 14:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
The result database of the IOC does not include discontinued sports. This can be seen on e.g. mixed team (compare 1900) and Japan (compare 2008). This may lead to some sourcing difficulties, particularly for old Olympics and the all-time medal table. 62.249.160.48 ( talk) 13:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I noticed most of the recent field hockey players don't have an image. I'm not into field hockey, but made a load of image during the interland NED - NZL yesterday. Hopefully someone can help tagging the images. Thanks, Sander.v.Ginkel ( Talk) 10:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Since the Refugee Olympic Athletes at the 2016 Summer Olympics will be very much in line with other similar instances of independent participants of the past, the infobox used should be one unified that ties all of these instances together: {{ Infobox Olympics Independents}}. Usage amongst the various occurrences seems inconsistent and there's no easy way to jump from one instance to another. Jmj713 ( talk) 23:27, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
i.e. use ;Men, not ===Men===.
Bad idea, worse to enforce that via the MOS. I've edited Olympic results extensively for almost a decade, fortunately I have NEVER seen this policy applied there. However, on
United States at the 2016 Summer Olympics suddenly
Raymarcbadz pulls this MOS issue. On that page is some of the most complex wikiformatting I have seen. The more complex the formatting, the fewer users will be able to figure out where to edit, even where the are on the page. They will still try and formatting mistakes will follow, usually just as the page is busy when results are coming in and readers are looking at wikipedia for information. By having distinct headers, breaks to reduce the amount of oblique code to sort through, it will greatly reduce the chance of mistakes. Many events duplicate information, that is, there are events of the same name for both genders in many sports and some sports have combined events, meaning even word searches will not get the user to the correct location.
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Hello! Over at WP:Women in Red we have been discussing the possibility of having an Olympics themed event in August. If you have any ideas please feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas#August 2016. Knope7 ( talk) 20:54, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
If someone, administrators or anybody involved in the WikiProject Olympics, can help us to end once for all the edit wars between User:Sportsfan 1234 and User:Raymarcbadz, it will be more than appreciated. I think that the attitude of user Sportsfan 1234 towards others is in cause here : he is rude, demanding, uncooperative, and try to intimidate several experienced contributors, including me and Raymarcbadz, of blocking or reporting for vandalism even if other users had only suggested different views of thinking and showed respectful behaviour toward the user.
If anybody can just calm him down, it will be great, and more important, remind him that he is neither elected, nor ruled himself as an administrator of the WikiProject Olympics, thus he has no powers to block anyone or to act like an administrator, and that he should always tried to discuss with respect instead of insulting, intimidating, and creating endless edit wars by reverting systematically the work of some veterans contributors.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
TGG23
TheGreenGiant23 and I tried to fight the case, but ended up unacceptable by the administrators. If we can discuss all of these matters related to MOS, NOC, prose, rosters, and vice versa in preparation for the Games, please do so with respect and courtesy. Too much reverting and edit warring without a courteous and reliable discussion is irritating.
Raymarcbadz ( talk) 03:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Sportsfan 1234, do you deserve to accept judgments from other users with your pride, attitude, and behavior? Why can't you answer my questions? Is it because of my grammar, and therefore, you want to continue to judge me because my English is bad. Do you want and Basement12 to control the project as admins? Why do you keep on using the power to revert to intimidate people? Kante4, Qwe144, and Qed237, any reactions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymarcbadz ( talk • contribs)
I noticed that someone has added List of athletes per sport (for the 2016 Games) on the main page templates. I think this is redundant because each nation page will have information on the athletes competing (and the categories as well). Should we remove them? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 15:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I think having a separate article for beach volleyball is necessary (and a separate heading on nation pages as well). Thoughts? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 17:56, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello WP:OLY. I have noticed users creating lists of athletes per sport (I just saw an Archery one). I think these pages are redundant to the qualification articles; event articles and nation articles as they all list the athlete. I'm wondering what (if any) the consensus is on this issue? - Yellow Dingo (talk) 11:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Project Members, a -somewhat heated- discussion took place yesterday on Talk:Independent_Olympic_Athletes_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics yesterday, amongst other related to the point whether two Russian athletes at the moment in the nomination process (but not definitely nominated/selected), should be added as athletes with a "disclaimer" in that section (and in the infobox) about their status.
Based on your experience with related articles, could you comment on Talk:Independent_Olympic_Athletes_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics#participation_status? L.tak ( talk) 01:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
The total number of medals for Great Britain does not tally with the gold/silver/bronze medals listed. Unable to establish where the mistake is to edit it myself.
Hi. A discussion is ongoing at {{ Footer Olympic Champions 4x100 m Men}} about what links should be included for the winning relay team. Potentially, this may lead to consensus about how links should be used on other relay champion navigation boxes. Please contribute to the discussion here.
Numerous articles of athletes who will participate in the 2016 Summer Olympics have no necessary navboxes and categories (for example, only 123 footballer articles were added Category:Footballers at the 2016 Summer Olympics, many articles of team sports competitors and coaches have neither navboxes nor categories, many teams have no their squad navboxes). I want to solve this but have no time. Who can complete this task and watch related articles? JackHoang ( talk) 07:01, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello guys,
The Wikimedia Community Brazilian Group of Education and Research launched today the Wiki Loves the Olympics, a pilot project of an international photo contest about the Olympics and Paralympic games.
Important links:
Social networks:
Our focus is Brazil, but the contest is open for all the world.
We are fixing some issues during this week but the contest is already open for submissions!
We need some help to translate our templates and banners on commons and spread that project around our international community.
Comments and help are welcome! Best regards Rodrigo Padula ( talk) 16:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
If anyone is looking for images, Agência Brasil has plenty of images of the Olympics that can by uploaded to Commons using the copyright tag {{ ABr}}. Hope this helps. ~★ nmaia d 18:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Might have been discussed but when listing the age of the competitor, do we use the date of opening ceremonies or the close of the games? – B2Project (Talk) 01:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Many sub-articles of some sports (for example Judo at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's 48 kg) have no any necessary reference. They must be added in order to improve articles' quality. JackHoang ( talk) 22:44, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on various Nation at the Olympcs articles as some users have been inputting some nationalist-driven edits. Not every such article is yet on line with the standard participation table but most are. Hopefully by the end of Rio we will be at 100%. Jmj713 ( talk) 12:36, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:46, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Is there a project member who is familiar enough with Olympics-related lists to get 2016 Summer Olympics Parade of Nations promoted to Featured list status? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
If a record for a single event is broken multiple times (for example, Weightlifting Men's 56kg C&J), for the new records section, should we list the "new" record that was afterwards surpassed? - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 21:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Is this edit (which is btw edit-warring) ok? I have taken the formulation from one of the 2012 articles. Thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 19:44, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
This text was only shown on TWO events out of many many more. It is okay to post it on ALL events that have no records. Regards 89.25.87.226 ( talk) 20:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Montell 74 thinks it is unnecessary though, so you can talk with him if you want. 89.25.87.226 ( talk) 21:08, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
All, just looking for your opinions on some content on the Israel at the 2016 Summer Olympics page.
Based on Olympic rules anyone eligible for citizenship of a country (whether they have it or not) is able to compete under that country's flag. Under the Law of Return any Jew is eligible for Israeli citizenship, see [14] for more info on this specific for Israel.
Due to this, the Israeli media outlets gives extensive coverage to the Jewish athletes who compete for other countries, this year being 7 for the US and 1 for the UK, see [15] and [16] as a couple of examples (many other examples in Hebrew as well as English). I added this info into Israel's page as a topic of note. Besides for it being noteworthy in my opinion, I felt many people looking at Israel's page would be interested in this information as well. The content was given one small paragraph, without its own heading. The content was then reverted with the explanation of the article being about Israel at the olympics, not Jews.
What are your opinions on this? Is their eligibility and large media coverage by Israeli news sources qualify it for inclusion? Thanks - Galatz Talk 02:33, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
The page "China at 2004 Summer Olympics" says that it was the nation's ninth appearance in the summer olympics.Although China's first olympic participation was in the year 1952, it boycotted all the olympic games that was held untill 1984.So, technically the 2004 Summer Olympics at Athens was China's 7th and not 9th Olympic appearance. Thank You! Arunkxip ( talk) 16:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello guys! CC: @ TheReluctantNerd:, @ Gap9551:, @ Ellipsis22:, @ Mg27127:, @ Qwe144:, @ Sportsfan 1234:, @ Basement12:, and @ F1lover22:, @ Qby:, @ Necrid Master:, not sure who else to ping.
I've noticed that the articles have already been published for most of the athletes at the Games. Here's the problem. Why did you leave some of the athletes in the sporting event articles redlinked, especially in boxing, rowing, sailing, shooting, swimming, table tennis, fencing and judo, as well as those competing for China, Chinese Taipei, and South Korea? Kindly create all of them! We badly need them for enough recognition at the Games. Thanks! Raymarcbadz ( talk) 02:37, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
I realized that there are too many sub-articles of many events of some disciplines are still being redirect page although related events have started yet (even finished), for example Rowing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's coxless four, Equestrian at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Team eventing... Many head paragraph tense of sub-articles of finished event are not changed (e.g. is behing held). They must be solved as soon as possible. JackHoang ( talk) 07:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
As of August 13, many articles of the finished events are still redirect page or have uncompleted information. JackHoang ( talk) 04:37, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on Kuwait at the Olympics as various editors keep adding IOA totals to KUW totals. Jmj713 ( talk) 21:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey there! I want to bring up a topic of discussion surrounding infoboxes on individual events at the 2016 Summer Olympics. On these various articles, I've taken the liberty of replacing most of the infoboxes' default header images, mostly either using File:Olympic rings without rims.svg, not using any images at all, or using copyrighted images files of the official pictograms, which I had uploaded with a fair use rationale for its use on general event articles, such as File:Canoeing (Slalom), Rio 2016.png for Canoeing at the 2016 Summer Olympics. However, those pictograms were being instead used for articles such as Canoeing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's slalom K-1 and Canoeing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's slalom C-2 as well through edits by other users. I replaced these images with available images from Wikimedia's 2016 Summer Olympics category. If an appropriate image of a particular event was available, I would add it as the main image in the infobox to illustrate the event in action, if not, I would add an appropriate image of the venue used to hold the event instead. My rationale for this is that this has been done before; Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 50 metre freestyle uses an image of the event's medal ceremony, for example. I also decided to add {{use dmy dates}} to all these articles as well, to help out the techies behind Wikipedia with date formatting of articles, and cleaned up the spacing in infoboxes of all of these articles, so that it'd be somewhat easier for an source editor to sift through the infobox's parameters. Here's an example of one of the articles I contributed to, showing my additions.
However, my edits have not been received well by two editors, an ip user, @ 89.25.87.226:, and @ Neprotivo1:, who both went to the effort to revert the near entirety of my edits, which included removing the {{use dmy dates}} templates, and in some occasions, reverting back to the copyrighted pictograms, in addition to the removal of images either depicting the event in action or the event's host venue. There was no explanation for the reverts other than Neprotivo giving a vague response in a coupe of edit summaries stating "these pictures are completely unnecessary". I personally think it's hyperbole to state that they were "completely uncessary"; its not like I added an inappropriate image, such as an irrelevant image of a bag of fruits or something! The images were well related to the Olympics and each event in question. I saw that on some of the pages, @ Buttons to Push Buttons: and @ Ymblanter: disagreed with these reverts and help restore some of my edits, with varying degrees of resistance from Neprotivo1. @ Jkudlick: and @ Dl2000: were also nice to restore some of the {{use dmy dates}} templates that were purged in the process. @ F1lover22: also had a few words to say, along with Ymblanter, over at Neprotivo1's talk page, regarding his edits, while the ip user has made a habit of blanking their talk page after every message.
So, to cut to the chase, am I in the wrong here? I honestly think it'd be better to see the actual events in action, if free media images are available. If not, an image of the venue hosting the event to suffice. I don't believe these edits to be controversial, but if you guys think otherwise, then I'm more than happy to discuss. I'll also slap down a list of articles I've made edits to, and their status, down below:
Philip Terry Graham 04:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
As far as I understand, this [17] is the article about Martinho Nobre, the man who took the Olympic Oath on behalf of the officials. It would be helpful in order to create an article about him, as there is such page available of majority of the people who have had this honor. BleuDXXXIV ( talk) 15:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Our page for the military patrol at the 1924 winter olympics points out that it was an official event at the time, and its medals were listed in IOC's database. Thus, despite various secondary sources treating the event as a demonstration sport, we've treated it as an early Biathlon event.
However, things appear to have changed. Searching IOC's database for medalists from the event, such as Denis Vaucher and Alfred Aufdenblatten shows the individuals, but they're listed as having no medals. More noticably, Switzerland's country page [18] lists their medal count from the game as being 1 gold and 1 bronze only, likewise indicating they've lost their gold medal in military patrol from the Chamonix games.
Based on these findings, I conclude that we should downgrade the military patrol event from the 1924 games to a demonstration event, and deduct the medals from the respective countries' medal counts. (I suppose the individuals' medals should also be noted as earned in a event later downgraded to demonstration event.) -- Lejman ( talk) 02:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Generally ranking is the most central aspect of an athlete's or team's result. While knowing how far they jumped or how fast they ran (or swam) is interesting, it's how they rank relative to other athletes that determines medals. Given that, I think the athlete's ranking should be given when it can be given.
There are times when ranking is skipped in our tables. Notably in the qualification in Artistic Gymnastics (which doubles as final ranking for athletes that did not qualify further), but also in sports like Judo, where the competitor didn't finish in the top 8. In some events (like Tennis [19]), official final ranking isn't presented. Final rankings are given in many events we lack ranking for though, like Judo [20] (where everyone is ranked according to round eliminated), Handball [21] (every team ranked 1 through 12th) and Wrestling [22] (shared 3rd and 5th placements, worst athlete ranked 19th).
I propose we present the athlete's or team's final rankings in events where official rankings are given. The exception can accept is in sports like Swimming, where the ranking in the round the athlete was eliminated in always equals the athlete's final ranking. -- Lejman ( talk) 03:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Is there a reason why a different sidebar is being used at Triathlon at the 2016 Summer Olympics compared to Triathlon at the 2012 Summer Olympics and all other Rio 2016 sports? - Yellow Dingo (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Why are classification points used as the scores in Wrestling sections on Country at the 2016 Summer Olympics pages like this? I had an argument about it with Raymarcbadz as I tried to enter the score in the Rio page 1 and he undid it... instead of 6–0 he wants it to be 3–0.
I read about it and what I understood was that Technical points are the score that decide the match result. Classification points are given by the referees after the match and their only purpose is to rank the wrestlers from seventh place down. In case of the medal matches class points are totally irrelevant. Technical points are awarded during the match for the actions wrestler perform. Places 1–6 are decided with technical points, so at least medal matches should use technical points score. -- Klõps ( talk) 18:47, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I took some time and read the rules from United World Wrestling site – International Wrestling Rules
It makes it quite clear that class points are a tool to rank wrestlers in a tournament format from 7th place downward. page 15: The loser is eliminated and ranked according to the classification points marked, except wrestlers who lost against one of the finalists as they take part in the repechage for the 3rd or 5th places.
In a single match winner is decided by: 1) fall, 2)technical points, 3) highest value of awarded technical points, 4) least amount of cautions, 5) the last technical point awarded. Classification points are awarded regarding to the match result not the other way. So why this system to rank the dropped out wrestlers should be presented at all? And really why should country pages present results differently from event pages – that's what confused me in the first place.-- Klõps ( talk) 21:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
1. Wrestling was about to be kicked out of the Olympics [28], but drastic rule changes saved the spot for it. So there is no need to change anything in the previous Olympics and which ever way the scores were marked 2012 does not matter in 2016.
2. Raymarcbadz, You ask how classification system is irrelevant. Irrelevance comes from context. So, in the context of the countries Olympic performance pages what matters is how a match between wrestler A and wrestler B concluded. Relevance of the classification points comes after the tournament to rank places downward from 7th. So pretty minor relevance in the context of the whole tournament. Class points are merely as points given in the ball games win 3p, tie 1p, loss 0p, but in wrestling loser may also be given 1 point.
3. Manual of Style (Games summary – Nations) is outdated – the paragraph about wrestling has been unchanged from 2012 – before the rule changes.
4. In the Rio 2016 website, the standings of each wrestling event show only the classification rating – that's not true, the Rio page shows tech points, tech points were on scorebords besides the Wrestling mats etc.
Final Classification Report from rio (note the line between 5th and 7th. wrestlers under the line are ranked by class points)
As in this report classification points may be listed in the event pages in the Final standing list. Women's freestyle 58 kg#Final standing. Also in nations page at the end of the row there's columns Opposition Result & Rank maybe there can be a column class points?
5. How do we know if there's a tie between two wrestlers, a victory by fall, forfeit, or injury.
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Round of 16 | Quarterfinal | Semifinal | Repechage 1 | Repechage 2 | Final / BM | CP | Rank |
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Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
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Wrestler A | −98 kg | Wrestler B W 7−3 |
Wrestler C W 6+−6 |
Wrestler D W Fall(5–1) |
Wrestler E L 5R–1 |
Did not advance | 16 | 9 |
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Saint Petersburg bid for the 1994 Winter Olympics doesn't appear to be a thing. It's not listed at the sourced link and the city at the time of the bid would have been Leningrad. Google also revealed nothing. What gives? Jmj713 ( talk) 14:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
(Also posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics) I notice that some (though not all) of the Olympic decathlon champions have a succession box on their pages for holders of the title "World's Greatest Athlete". Since this is a completely unofficial title, and synonymous with the less ambiguous "Olympic decathlon champion", might I suggest either that these succession boxes be renamed, or that they be removed altogether, since they are merely duplicating information also provided by Template:Footer Olympic Champions Decathlon? -- Walnuts go kapow ( talk) 17:35, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 16:41, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to bring to the project's attention that there's an ongoing discussion regarding {{ Olympic Games}} where the overall historical consensus has always been to omit city names from the navigation template for ease of parsing. Looking over the template's edit and talk history, this topic has come up several times, but historically, we've mostly kept years only. I would like some finality with the template to be established going forward, if anyone would care to weigh in. Jmj713 ( talk) 22:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ice hockey at the 2022 Winter Olympics is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Winter Olympics events until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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In the Korean version of /info/en/?search=Gangneung_Oval, the given name is Gyeongpo Oval (강릉 스피드 스케이팅 경기장 and not 경포 타원형 경기장). I consequently think the title of the article should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.230.185.68 ( talk) 03:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:01, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
i like to get help any kind ways — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.251.226 ( talk) 22:47, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Art competitions at the Olympic Games → Art competitions at the Summer Olympics – The only [sport] at the Olympics Games articles we have are Ice hockey at the Olympic Games and Figure skating at the Olympic Games. This is because these sports were contested at both the Summer and Winter Games. The art competitions were never contested at the Winter Games only at the seven editions of the Summer Games. Therefore, to comply with naming convention, I recommend the move. Note: the associated category Category:Art competitions at the Olympic Games would be moved as well. Thoughts? -- Ianblair23 (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello guys,
I'm from Brazil and I'm a member/coordinator of the Wikimedia Brazilian Group of Education and Research. Since the next Olympics will be here in my city, I would like to see if I can help with any info or support. My idea is to replicate the WikiProject Olympics at pt.wiki to improve all informations regarding the summer games in our native language. Our group will have a meeting during the next week to plan better our initiatives here for the next year. Ping me if you need any local support/info. Best regards Rodrigo Padula ( talk) 15:12, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
What's Wikipedia's current level of coverage of the Olympics? Very good is the answer, but I was wondering about specifics. Is there an article for every non-demonstration event that ever happened? Like "women's 100 meters breaststroke at Paris 1924"? Does every Country in the XXXX Olympics article exist? Or every winner or medalist? Every venue? Sagittarian Milky Way ( talk) 20:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
South Africa Sport Confederation and Olympics Committee (SASCOC) declared that the athletes who qualified from continental qualification events would not be considered to participate the 2016 Olympics. This is the refernce. So, I think all articles which South African athletes qualified in continental events should remove and replaced by each sports' reallocation. There are 4 qualifications, women rugby, men and women hockey, and one event of women diving. It also happened in 2012 Olympics which Both hockey teams didn't participate in the Olympics. Please give me an opinion. Thanks. Noncommittalp ( talk) 12:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:in case alerts haven't picked them up. In ictu oculi ( talk) 17:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I ran across Turkey at the 2004 Summer Olympics and removed the external link to the Turkish committee [1] and the link in the infobox as well [2]. Such links only belong if they were references (which I doubt could happen) or in articles specifically about the committees, National Olympic Committee of Turkey for this specific link. It appears that such links have been included as a standard component in Olympics articles. Thought it best to bring up here. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I assume any large-scale changes are just too much work for the little improvement in the articles themselves. However, I think the templates should all have the external links removed. -- Ronz ( talk) 22:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the links from a few more templates. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:53, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Jonas kam: @ Andrwsc: @ Ianblair23:: Do we need to discuss this before I just remove all the links from the templates? -- Ronz ( talk) 16:13, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Per this MOS headings are to be kept to a minimum, and a user keeps reverting my edits when I remove the unnecessary headings on the different nation pages. So who is in the right here? Also can the policy be changed without discussion? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 18:35, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. Many individual projects have adapted to use the Module:Sports table and the use is spread accross wikipedia now (and also already in some Olympic tables). Shouild we not update guidelines like Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Manual of Style (Games summary – Nations) to the use of this module? Qed237 (talk) 16:39, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi. Should we list "knockout stage" ( diff) as used in other tournaments I have seen like 2015–16 UEFA Champions League and other tournaments since after group stage comes knockout stage? Or should we list the round in knockout stage they have qualified for i.e. "Round of 16", "Quarter-finals", "Semi-finals" and so on ( diff)? I think it would be good with consistency over all sports (if possible). Also I am trying to update all tables to Module:Sports table used in many sports. Qed237 (talk) 11:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Category:Top-importance Olympics articles includes some odd choices. Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Olympic Bids is partly to blame. How can the article about Bids for Foo Games be more important than the article about Foo Games? jnestorius( talk) 11:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I started a discussion at Template talk:FlagIOCmedalist about the strangeness of FlagIOCmedalist. We have had FlagIOCathlete being used in tennis Olympic articles for quite some, and I don't really see a problem with it. But in the last few days pretty much ALL of those articles have been changed to FlagIOCmedalist as in this example. I was told that FlagIOCmedalist must be used. Now, I wasn't going to complain that the full country name was being used instead of the code, even though the code has mouseover to the country name, and the full country name is much longer. But what I am complaining about is the use of the country code plus the country name. That is ridiculous and completely unnecessary! We try to streamline these things and this adds even more coding. This template needs to be changed so that it omits the country code or at the very least only gives the country code as an optional item. We don't need both for heaven's sake. I was going to start an RfC but figured that bringing it to your attention here might get it done faster and avoid that hassle. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi! There is a current discussion about the removal of the 3-digit country code here. — Andy W. ( talk · contrib) 00:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I posted my proposal at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volleyball/Archive 2#Tables, but I think this is a better place to get a good discussion. What I do miss on Olympic team sport pages, is linking to the Nation Olympic pages (like
Brazil at the 2016 Summer Olympics). For individuals at the Olympics (like
Ellen van Dijk (
NED)) you can click to the person AND to the nation page. For team sports it is different of course because both the team sport and the olympic page is about the nation. But what about someting like:
Men's volleyball team (
BRA) - (instead of
Brazil)
Thanks,
Sander.v.Ginkel (
Talk)
12:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
{{
FlagIOCvb|BRA|2016 Summer}}
.{{
FlagIOCvbw|BRA|2016 Summer}}
.@ Sander.v.Ginkel, Kante4, and Sander.v.Ginkel: well I think I got Sander.v.Ginkel's idea. Check this out:
{{FlagIOCteam/sandbox|BRA|2016 Summer|men|volleyball}}
produces:
Brazil (BRA)
{{FlagIOCteam/sandbox|BRA|2016 Summer|women|volleyball}}
produces:
Brazil (BRA)
{{FlagIOCteam/sandbox|GER|2012 Summer|women|field hockey}}
produces:
Germany (GER)
This is currently in the sandbox only. If Sander.v.Ginkel is okay with this, maybe submit an edit request, mention me, and I think can process it in about 2 days. — Andy W. ( talk · contrib) 20:43, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Underneath these headings there should be a results table listing all athletes from the nation competing in that sport. In the case of a nation having more than six competitors in a given sport, this table may be further split into "Men" and "Women" results tables. Should this be changed to allow for two different tables (one per gender) irrespective of the amount of athletes qualified (including less than 6)? I say No. What does everyone else think? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 04:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Tried to make this comment earlier but kept getting a Wikipedia in read-only mode error... Completely agree with Parutakupiu. There is a need to apply a bit of common sense and reasoning on a case-by-case basis. For some sports (e.g gymnastics) there is an obvious advantage to separate tables whatever the number of competitors. I don't recall why six was the limit chosen, I suspect it was somewhat arbitrary and I would caution against any entirely definitive limit - there is a big difference between six athletes each competing in a single event (badminton perhaps) and six athletes in multiple events (e.g. swimming). - Basement12 (T. C) 16:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
For the record I have now warned both Raymarcbadz and Sportsfan 1234 over edit warring on this issue. If they persist I feel there will be little choice but to give them some time to cool down. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think where we stand is that the majority opinion is tables can be merged wherever possible, it doesn't matter if some nations are merged an others not (depending on athlete numbers) - Basement12 (T. C) 12:44, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Has anyone got any further and recent info on the latest with her death? Everything was updated in November, but I can't find any more info on if someone has been charged/convicted with her death. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Fyi, I've nominated Template:2016 Summer Olympics Participating National Olympic Committees – Flag-bearers for discussion/deletion. It was created through Wikipedia:Drafts but as far as I can see isn't used anywhere and isn't necessary. Please weigh in with any thoughts here. Thanks - Basement12 (T. C) 08:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I would like to ask you a question without any argument about the styling of the group match templates. Which among these options are more appropriate for them? Dotting the lines or background color? Is adding a background color against MOS? I don't think there's a clear explanation and proof about the problem. Any comments please, Basement12, Kante4, Qed237. Thanks! Raymarcbadz ( talk) 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
In this example Sportsfan was correct to do so it seems. No idea why you insist on removing the links to qualification summaries and it seems if there is a consensus on colour it's to not have it in these cases. Additionally you still refuse to use a WP:EDITSUMMARY which certainly doesn't help matters if you aren't explaining what you're doing. The infighting between the two of you is getting beyond ridiculous - Basement12 (T. C) 15:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
( edit conflict)@ Qed237: See my note of your talk page but in general these articles are supposed to be more than a listing of results. They should have additional prose and colour added around the story of the athlete's performance. At a time when the Games haven't started and qualification is ongoing those links are particularly useful to the reader. @ Raymarcbadz: Canada has got less than zero to do with this. Changes to the style of the articles have been discussed above and in general the idea of removing colours is a good one. You continue to make changes without explaining your reasoning, conduct edit wars, and it isn't helpful so yes you are doing something very wrong. If you are concerned about particular changes discuss them on this talk page and if you do please give people some examples to look at. Basement12 (T. C) 15:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I have various concerns for rowing and shooting, so I decided to show you some examples.
Athlete | Event | Heats | Repechage | Semifinals | Final | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Felipe Cardenas Bernardo Guerrero |
Lightweight double sculls |
Athlete | Event | Heats | Repechage | Semifinals | Final | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Melita Abraham Josefa Veliz |
Lightweight double sculls |
Athlete | Event | Heats | Repechage | Semifinals | Final | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Felipe Cardenas Bernardo Guerrero |
Men's lightweight double sculls | ||||||||
Melita Abraham Josefa Veliz |
Women's lightweight double sculls |
Qualification Legend: FA=Final A (medal); FB=Final B (non-medal); FC=Final C (non-medal); FD=Final D (non-medal); FE=Final E (non-medal); FF=Final F (non-medal); SA/B=Semifinals A/B; SC/D=Semifinals C/D; SE/F=Semifinals E/F; QF=Quarterfinals; R=Repechage
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | 50 m rifle prone | — | |||||
Jesper Hansen | Skeet |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Final | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Stine Nielsen | 10 m air rifle | ||||
50 m rifle 3 positions |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | Men's 50 m rifle prone | — | |||||
Jesper Hansen | Men's skeet | ||||||
Stine Nielsen | Women's 10 m air rifle | — | |||||
Women's 50 m rifle 3 positions | — |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | Men's rifle prone | — | |||||
Jesper Hansen | Men's skeet | ||||||
Stine Nielsen | Women's air rifle | — | |||||
Women's rifle 3 positions | — |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Final | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Torben Grimmel | Men's rifle prone | ||||
Stine Nielsen | Women's air rifle | ||||
Women's rifle 3 positions |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final / BM | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Opposition Result |
Rank | ||
Jesper Hansen | Men's skeet |
Qualification Legend: Q = Qualify for the next round; q = Qualify for the bronze medal (shotgun)
My concern for version two is that some of the words in a particular event are quite lengthy, unless we might change these words into a shorter version, and I might get worried of running out of space. Is there a possibility to shorten these words for enough spacing? Or is it okay for you regardless of the column width? I split these tables from the previous editions before to pave its way for enough spacing. Raymarcbadz ( talk) 17:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't see the obsession with splitting tables. I'm not sure what "they often have different articles anyway" is supposed to mean, as far as I see it the 100 metre and 400 metre sprint events have different articles but we don't split those into a different tables. Version 2 in both cases is the neatest way to record the results and keeps the article length down. Frankly in cases where a nation only has one male and one female athlete I think it looks ridiculous to split them. Personally I see no benefit whatsover to always splitting execept to ensure there is no more squabbling and to remove the need to make intelligent decisions on a case my case basis. Too much time has been wasted on this trivial issue already - Basement12 (T. C) 21:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
@ Qed237:, @ Basement12:, and @ Kante4:, do we need to split the tables if a sport contains six athletes? It's not even clearly enough. (no butting in of discussion please for others, respect). Raymarcbadz ( talk) 05:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Here is a list of sports where I think one table is good for countries with less than 6 athletes:
Which need separate tables:
A mix of the above:
No explanation needed.
Thoughts? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 14:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Define length of the article. It's still not clear again. Here are my thoughts.
Please take note that even if the sport contains a table with one athlete only, you don't need headings (men or women) anymore. Just apply the same method with 6 or less athletes for transparency.
I would suggest that you should create them on a sandbox and test it for efficiency. Also, provide a link for it (use an NOC page containing almost all of the sports) to show the example. Do not put them yet on the main articles without letting other users ( Qed237, Kante4, and Basement12 please take note) give their thoughts on your case in a more centralized discussion.
Raymarcbadz ( talk) 15:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Category:Canadian Olympic Hall of Fame inductees, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:12, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
I noticed all the pages of Canoeing and kayaking at the Olympics are labelled with just the word canoeing. However, to label kayaking as canoeing is incorrect. Both disciplines take part in the Olympics under one IF. My proposal is to move all articles to Canoeing and Kayaking at the xxxx Olympics (and any associated articles). Is there any thoughts behind this? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 13:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
For the 45th time, if there are 6 or less athletes then one table is used (per the MOS). For Finland especially since both events are of the same discipline. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 04:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Again, really??? As I've stated I'd prefer if the qualification links were left permenently but whilst qualification is still going on then they really should be left in place. Removing them post-Games is a discussion for a different day. As for that tble on Finland it makes much more sense to combine when there are only 2 athletes in the same discipline - Basement12 (T. C) 10:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
May I recall your suggestions again. Here is a list of sports where I think one table is good for countries with less than 6 athletes:
Which need separate tables:
A mix of the above:
No explanation needed.
Thoughts? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 14:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Define length of the article. It's still not clear again. Here are my thoughts.
Please take note that even if the sport contains a table with one athlete only, you don't need headings (men or women) anymore. Just apply the same method with 6 or less athletes for transparency.
I would suggest that you should create them on a sandbox and test it for efficiency. Also, provide a link for it (use an NOC page containing almost all of the sports) to show the example. Do not put them yet on the main articles without letting other users ( Qed237, Kante4, and Basement12 please take note) give their thoughts on your case in a more centralized discussion.
Raymarcbadz ( talk) 15:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Vesa Törnroos | Men's trap | ||||||
Satu Mäkelä-Nummela | Women's trap |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Gordon Ireallyhavehadenoughofthisson | Men's trap | ||||||
Steven Seriouslyjuststopthesquabblingolovski | |||||||
Helen Pleasedonotwsteanymoreofmytimeonthisova | Women's trap |
i.e. how Sportsfan is putting the tables - Basement12 (T. C) 09:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
How about this one?
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Ray Bassil | Trap |
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Semifinal | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Points | Rank | Points | Rank | Points | Rank | ||
Ray Bassil | Women's trap |
Which one is better, @ Basement12:? In option 2, you don't need to add a heading. Raymarcbadz ( talk) 09:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
@ Basement12, Raymarcbadz, and Sportsfan 1234: First of all these kind of things should be discussed at WT:OLYMPICS so everyone in the project may join, I had no idea this was going on. If two editors have a dispute, take it to eachother but when different alternatives is discussed a project is better (when it expands over several articles). Personally I have always been for splitting, to be consistent and 6 athletes seems very arbitrary. I understand the TOC issue, so as a suggestion, how about always having an extra column for gender? Qed237 (talk) 15:23, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
For example:
Gender | Athlete | Event | Race | Net points | Final rank | ||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | M* | |||||
Men | Kaarle Tapper | Laser | — | ||||||||||||||
Tapio Nirkko | Finn | — | |||||||||||||||
Joonas Lindgren Niklas Lindgren |
470 | — | |||||||||||||||
Women | Tuuli Petäjä-Sirén | RS:X | |||||||||||||||
Tuula Tenkanen | Laser Radial | — | |||||||||||||||
Niki Blässar Mikaela Wulff |
470 | — | |||||||||||||||
Camilla Cedercreutz Noora Ruskola |
49erFX |
M = Medal race; EL = Eliminated – did not advance into the medal race
Or something like that? Qed237 (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
The above copied in from User talk:Raymarcbadz. Raymarcbadz, Qed237, Sportsfan 1234 plese continue the discusion here and not across a disparate set of user talkpages. Thanks- Basement12 (T. C) 12:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Does anybody have a source, that shows Australian Governor General William Deane opened the 2000 Summer Olympic Games, as a representative of Queen Elizabeth II? Also, some further input at that article, on this topic, would be appreciated :) GoodDay ( talk) 02:07, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Have you had a look to see what the official report says? - Basement12 (T. C) 07:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, a two-editor discussion on
Talk:Mie Østergaard Nielsen#Proposed move is stuck and could benefit from additional input. Thanks,
Gap9551 (
talk)
22:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Qed237, Basement12, Sportsfan 1234, and Raymarcbadz: Please have a look at the edits of Secret Agent Julio (alt) ( talk · contribs) who is redirecting the football templates. Are those edits correct or do we stick with the templates, which i think is better. Nevermind, not a single discussion was held... Kante4 ( talk) 08:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hopefully this change isn't too controversial, in most cases we already to it anyway. Currently we have wording in WP:OLYMOSNAT that suggests all athletes should be ordered alphabetically by surname;
"More than a single athlete in a sport category, whether individual, pair, or team, must be arranged alphabetically according to their last names".
Clearly we don't implement this across the board, particularly where there are tables containing a mix of men's and women's events, where we tend to put men's events grouped first before women's, or in cases where we order events by distance/weight class etc.. I suggest that if the alternatives are better the we should alter the wording of the manual of style for nation articles to formalise this (and ensure it is implemented consistently), changing the wording to e.g.
More than a single athlete in a sport category, whether individual, pair, or team: athletes must be arranged first with all men's events grouped before women's events ("Men's" is alphabetically first), then within the gender groups by increasing event distance/weight category/etc. (if applicable), and finally alphabetically according to the last names of the athletes.
As an example of the effect this would have, think about Australia at the 2016 Summer Olympics#Taekwondo. As the guidelines currently read this should really look like the below (version 1)
Athlete | Event | Round of 16 | Quarterfinals | Semifinals | Repechage | Bronze Medal | Final | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Rank | ||
Safwan Khalil | Men's −58 kg | |||||||
Carmen Marton | Women's −67 kg | |||||||
Caroline Marton | Women's −57 kg | |||||||
Hayder Shkara | Men's −80 kg |
But currently the guidelines are ignored in line with what I'm proposing (version 2):
Athlete | Event | Round of 16 | Quarterfinals | Semifinals | Repechage | Bronze Medal | Final | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Rank | ||
Safwan Khalil | Men's −58 kg | |||||||
Hayder Shkara | Men's −80 kg | |||||||
Caroline Marton | Women's −57 kg | |||||||
Carmen Marton | Women's −67 kg |
So which does everyone prefer the status quo (version 1) or the tables resulting form this new proposal (version 2)? Personally I'd lean towards 2 - Basement12 (T. C) 13:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Woohoo! For once it looks like everyone is in agreement on that. One further question whilst we're considering these things, in cases where we have both should we order by discipline or distance first? I'm mainly thinking of swimming here
Currently a mix of styles is used, with the most common being all swimmers listed alphabetically (e.g. Great Britain) or ordered by discipline but with freestyle first (which seems an odd choice) (e.g. Canada). This is relevant even on single gender tables and could also be a factor for sprint canoeing (c and k events) and possibly shooting (pistol, rifle) - Thoughts Basement12 (T. C) 14:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
The result database of the IOC does not include discontinued sports. This can be seen on e.g. mixed team (compare 1900) and Japan (compare 2008). This may lead to some sourcing difficulties, particularly for old Olympics and the all-time medal table. 62.249.160.48 ( talk) 13:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I noticed most of the recent field hockey players don't have an image. I'm not into field hockey, but made a load of image during the interland NED - NZL yesterday. Hopefully someone can help tagging the images. Thanks, Sander.v.Ginkel ( Talk) 10:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Since the Refugee Olympic Athletes at the 2016 Summer Olympics will be very much in line with other similar instances of independent participants of the past, the infobox used should be one unified that ties all of these instances together: {{ Infobox Olympics Independents}}. Usage amongst the various occurrences seems inconsistent and there's no easy way to jump from one instance to another. Jmj713 ( talk) 23:27, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
i.e. use ;Men, not ===Men===.
Bad idea, worse to enforce that via the MOS. I've edited Olympic results extensively for almost a decade, fortunately I have NEVER seen this policy applied there. However, on
United States at the 2016 Summer Olympics suddenly
Raymarcbadz pulls this MOS issue. On that page is some of the most complex wikiformatting I have seen. The more complex the formatting, the fewer users will be able to figure out where to edit, even where the are on the page. They will still try and formatting mistakes will follow, usually just as the page is busy when results are coming in and readers are looking at wikipedia for information. By having distinct headers, breaks to reduce the amount of oblique code to sort through, it will greatly reduce the chance of mistakes. Many events duplicate information, that is, there are events of the same name for both genders in many sports and some sports have combined events, meaning even word searches will not get the user to the correct location.
Trackinfo (
talk)
03:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello! Over at WP:Women in Red we have been discussing the possibility of having an Olympics themed event in August. If you have any ideas please feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas#August 2016. Knope7 ( talk) 20:54, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
If someone, administrators or anybody involved in the WikiProject Olympics, can help us to end once for all the edit wars between User:Sportsfan 1234 and User:Raymarcbadz, it will be more than appreciated. I think that the attitude of user Sportsfan 1234 towards others is in cause here : he is rude, demanding, uncooperative, and try to intimidate several experienced contributors, including me and Raymarcbadz, of blocking or reporting for vandalism even if other users had only suggested different views of thinking and showed respectful behaviour toward the user.
If anybody can just calm him down, it will be great, and more important, remind him that he is neither elected, nor ruled himself as an administrator of the WikiProject Olympics, thus he has no powers to block anyone or to act like an administrator, and that he should always tried to discuss with respect instead of insulting, intimidating, and creating endless edit wars by reverting systematically the work of some veterans contributors.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
TGG23
TheGreenGiant23 and I tried to fight the case, but ended up unacceptable by the administrators. If we can discuss all of these matters related to MOS, NOC, prose, rosters, and vice versa in preparation for the Games, please do so with respect and courtesy. Too much reverting and edit warring without a courteous and reliable discussion is irritating.
Raymarcbadz ( talk) 03:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Sportsfan 1234, do you deserve to accept judgments from other users with your pride, attitude, and behavior? Why can't you answer my questions? Is it because of my grammar, and therefore, you want to continue to judge me because my English is bad. Do you want and Basement12 to control the project as admins? Why do you keep on using the power to revert to intimidate people? Kante4, Qwe144, and Qed237, any reactions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymarcbadz ( talk • contribs)
I noticed that someone has added List of athletes per sport (for the 2016 Games) on the main page templates. I think this is redundant because each nation page will have information on the athletes competing (and the categories as well). Should we remove them? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 15:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I think having a separate article for beach volleyball is necessary (and a separate heading on nation pages as well). Thoughts? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 17:56, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello WP:OLY. I have noticed users creating lists of athletes per sport (I just saw an Archery one). I think these pages are redundant to the qualification articles; event articles and nation articles as they all list the athlete. I'm wondering what (if any) the consensus is on this issue? - Yellow Dingo (talk) 11:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Project Members, a -somewhat heated- discussion took place yesterday on Talk:Independent_Olympic_Athletes_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics yesterday, amongst other related to the point whether two Russian athletes at the moment in the nomination process (but not definitely nominated/selected), should be added as athletes with a "disclaimer" in that section (and in the infobox) about their status.
Based on your experience with related articles, could you comment on Talk:Independent_Olympic_Athletes_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics#participation_status? L.tak ( talk) 01:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
The total number of medals for Great Britain does not tally with the gold/silver/bronze medals listed. Unable to establish where the mistake is to edit it myself.
Hi. A discussion is ongoing at {{ Footer Olympic Champions 4x100 m Men}} about what links should be included for the winning relay team. Potentially, this may lead to consensus about how links should be used on other relay champion navigation boxes. Please contribute to the discussion here.
Numerous articles of athletes who will participate in the 2016 Summer Olympics have no necessary navboxes and categories (for example, only 123 footballer articles were added Category:Footballers at the 2016 Summer Olympics, many articles of team sports competitors and coaches have neither navboxes nor categories, many teams have no their squad navboxes). I want to solve this but have no time. Who can complete this task and watch related articles? JackHoang ( talk) 07:01, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello guys,
The Wikimedia Community Brazilian Group of Education and Research launched today the Wiki Loves the Olympics, a pilot project of an international photo contest about the Olympics and Paralympic games.
Important links:
Social networks:
Our focus is Brazil, but the contest is open for all the world.
We are fixing some issues during this week but the contest is already open for submissions!
We need some help to translate our templates and banners on commons and spread that project around our international community.
Comments and help are welcome! Best regards Rodrigo Padula ( talk) 16:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
If anyone is looking for images, Agência Brasil has plenty of images of the Olympics that can by uploaded to Commons using the copyright tag {{ ABr}}. Hope this helps. ~★ nmaia d 18:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Might have been discussed but when listing the age of the competitor, do we use the date of opening ceremonies or the close of the games? – B2Project (Talk) 01:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Many sub-articles of some sports (for example Judo at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's 48 kg) have no any necessary reference. They must be added in order to improve articles' quality. JackHoang ( talk) 22:44, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on various Nation at the Olympcs articles as some users have been inputting some nationalist-driven edits. Not every such article is yet on line with the standard participation table but most are. Hopefully by the end of Rio we will be at 100%. Jmj713 ( talk) 12:36, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:46, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Is there a project member who is familiar enough with Olympics-related lists to get 2016 Summer Olympics Parade of Nations promoted to Featured list status? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
If a record for a single event is broken multiple times (for example, Weightlifting Men's 56kg C&J), for the new records section, should we list the "new" record that was afterwards surpassed? - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 21:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Is this edit (which is btw edit-warring) ok? I have taken the formulation from one of the 2012 articles. Thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 19:44, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
This text was only shown on TWO events out of many many more. It is okay to post it on ALL events that have no records. Regards 89.25.87.226 ( talk) 20:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Montell 74 thinks it is unnecessary though, so you can talk with him if you want. 89.25.87.226 ( talk) 21:08, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
All, just looking for your opinions on some content on the Israel at the 2016 Summer Olympics page.
Based on Olympic rules anyone eligible for citizenship of a country (whether they have it or not) is able to compete under that country's flag. Under the Law of Return any Jew is eligible for Israeli citizenship, see [14] for more info on this specific for Israel.
Due to this, the Israeli media outlets gives extensive coverage to the Jewish athletes who compete for other countries, this year being 7 for the US and 1 for the UK, see [15] and [16] as a couple of examples (many other examples in Hebrew as well as English). I added this info into Israel's page as a topic of note. Besides for it being noteworthy in my opinion, I felt many people looking at Israel's page would be interested in this information as well. The content was given one small paragraph, without its own heading. The content was then reverted with the explanation of the article being about Israel at the olympics, not Jews.
What are your opinions on this? Is their eligibility and large media coverage by Israeli news sources qualify it for inclusion? Thanks - Galatz Talk 02:33, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
The page "China at 2004 Summer Olympics" says that it was the nation's ninth appearance in the summer olympics.Although China's first olympic participation was in the year 1952, it boycotted all the olympic games that was held untill 1984.So, technically the 2004 Summer Olympics at Athens was China's 7th and not 9th Olympic appearance. Thank You! Arunkxip ( talk) 16:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello guys! CC: @ TheReluctantNerd:, @ Gap9551:, @ Ellipsis22:, @ Mg27127:, @ Qwe144:, @ Sportsfan 1234:, @ Basement12:, and @ F1lover22:, @ Qby:, @ Necrid Master:, not sure who else to ping.
I've noticed that the articles have already been published for most of the athletes at the Games. Here's the problem. Why did you leave some of the athletes in the sporting event articles redlinked, especially in boxing, rowing, sailing, shooting, swimming, table tennis, fencing and judo, as well as those competing for China, Chinese Taipei, and South Korea? Kindly create all of them! We badly need them for enough recognition at the Games. Thanks! Raymarcbadz ( talk) 02:37, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
I realized that there are too many sub-articles of many events of some disciplines are still being redirect page although related events have started yet (even finished), for example Rowing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's coxless four, Equestrian at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Team eventing... Many head paragraph tense of sub-articles of finished event are not changed (e.g. is behing held). They must be solved as soon as possible. JackHoang ( talk) 07:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
As of August 13, many articles of the finished events are still redirect page or have uncompleted information. JackHoang ( talk) 04:37, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on Kuwait at the Olympics as various editors keep adding IOA totals to KUW totals. Jmj713 ( talk) 21:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey there! I want to bring up a topic of discussion surrounding infoboxes on individual events at the 2016 Summer Olympics. On these various articles, I've taken the liberty of replacing most of the infoboxes' default header images, mostly either using File:Olympic rings without rims.svg, not using any images at all, or using copyrighted images files of the official pictograms, which I had uploaded with a fair use rationale for its use on general event articles, such as File:Canoeing (Slalom), Rio 2016.png for Canoeing at the 2016 Summer Olympics. However, those pictograms were being instead used for articles such as Canoeing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's slalom K-1 and Canoeing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's slalom C-2 as well through edits by other users. I replaced these images with available images from Wikimedia's 2016 Summer Olympics category. If an appropriate image of a particular event was available, I would add it as the main image in the infobox to illustrate the event in action, if not, I would add an appropriate image of the venue used to hold the event instead. My rationale for this is that this has been done before; Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 50 metre freestyle uses an image of the event's medal ceremony, for example. I also decided to add {{use dmy dates}} to all these articles as well, to help out the techies behind Wikipedia with date formatting of articles, and cleaned up the spacing in infoboxes of all of these articles, so that it'd be somewhat easier for an source editor to sift through the infobox's parameters. Here's an example of one of the articles I contributed to, showing my additions.
However, my edits have not been received well by two editors, an ip user, @ 89.25.87.226:, and @ Neprotivo1:, who both went to the effort to revert the near entirety of my edits, which included removing the {{use dmy dates}} templates, and in some occasions, reverting back to the copyrighted pictograms, in addition to the removal of images either depicting the event in action or the event's host venue. There was no explanation for the reverts other than Neprotivo giving a vague response in a coupe of edit summaries stating "these pictures are completely unnecessary". I personally think it's hyperbole to state that they were "completely uncessary"; its not like I added an inappropriate image, such as an irrelevant image of a bag of fruits or something! The images were well related to the Olympics and each event in question. I saw that on some of the pages, @ Buttons to Push Buttons: and @ Ymblanter: disagreed with these reverts and help restore some of my edits, with varying degrees of resistance from Neprotivo1. @ Jkudlick: and @ Dl2000: were also nice to restore some of the {{use dmy dates}} templates that were purged in the process. @ F1lover22: also had a few words to say, along with Ymblanter, over at Neprotivo1's talk page, regarding his edits, while the ip user has made a habit of blanking their talk page after every message.
So, to cut to the chase, am I in the wrong here? I honestly think it'd be better to see the actual events in action, if free media images are available. If not, an image of the venue hosting the event to suffice. I don't believe these edits to be controversial, but if you guys think otherwise, then I'm more than happy to discuss. I'll also slap down a list of articles I've made edits to, and their status, down below:
Philip Terry Graham 04:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
As far as I understand, this [17] is the article about Martinho Nobre, the man who took the Olympic Oath on behalf of the officials. It would be helpful in order to create an article about him, as there is such page available of majority of the people who have had this honor. BleuDXXXIV ( talk) 15:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Our page for the military patrol at the 1924 winter olympics points out that it was an official event at the time, and its medals were listed in IOC's database. Thus, despite various secondary sources treating the event as a demonstration sport, we've treated it as an early Biathlon event.
However, things appear to have changed. Searching IOC's database for medalists from the event, such as Denis Vaucher and Alfred Aufdenblatten shows the individuals, but they're listed as having no medals. More noticably, Switzerland's country page [18] lists their medal count from the game as being 1 gold and 1 bronze only, likewise indicating they've lost their gold medal in military patrol from the Chamonix games.
Based on these findings, I conclude that we should downgrade the military patrol event from the 1924 games to a demonstration event, and deduct the medals from the respective countries' medal counts. (I suppose the individuals' medals should also be noted as earned in a event later downgraded to demonstration event.) -- Lejman ( talk) 02:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Generally ranking is the most central aspect of an athlete's or team's result. While knowing how far they jumped or how fast they ran (or swam) is interesting, it's how they rank relative to other athletes that determines medals. Given that, I think the athlete's ranking should be given when it can be given.
There are times when ranking is skipped in our tables. Notably in the qualification in Artistic Gymnastics (which doubles as final ranking for athletes that did not qualify further), but also in sports like Judo, where the competitor didn't finish in the top 8. In some events (like Tennis [19]), official final ranking isn't presented. Final rankings are given in many events we lack ranking for though, like Judo [20] (where everyone is ranked according to round eliminated), Handball [21] (every team ranked 1 through 12th) and Wrestling [22] (shared 3rd and 5th placements, worst athlete ranked 19th).
I propose we present the athlete's or team's final rankings in events where official rankings are given. The exception can accept is in sports like Swimming, where the ranking in the round the athlete was eliminated in always equals the athlete's final ranking. -- Lejman ( talk) 03:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Is there a reason why a different sidebar is being used at Triathlon at the 2016 Summer Olympics compared to Triathlon at the 2012 Summer Olympics and all other Rio 2016 sports? - Yellow Dingo (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Why are classification points used as the scores in Wrestling sections on Country at the 2016 Summer Olympics pages like this? I had an argument about it with Raymarcbadz as I tried to enter the score in the Rio page 1 and he undid it... instead of 6–0 he wants it to be 3–0.
I read about it and what I understood was that Technical points are the score that decide the match result. Classification points are given by the referees after the match and their only purpose is to rank the wrestlers from seventh place down. In case of the medal matches class points are totally irrelevant. Technical points are awarded during the match for the actions wrestler perform. Places 1–6 are decided with technical points, so at least medal matches should use technical points score. -- Klõps ( talk) 18:47, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I took some time and read the rules from United World Wrestling site – International Wrestling Rules
It makes it quite clear that class points are a tool to rank wrestlers in a tournament format from 7th place downward. page 15: The loser is eliminated and ranked according to the classification points marked, except wrestlers who lost against one of the finalists as they take part in the repechage for the 3rd or 5th places.
In a single match winner is decided by: 1) fall, 2)technical points, 3) highest value of awarded technical points, 4) least amount of cautions, 5) the last technical point awarded. Classification points are awarded regarding to the match result not the other way. So why this system to rank the dropped out wrestlers should be presented at all? And really why should country pages present results differently from event pages – that's what confused me in the first place.-- Klõps ( talk) 21:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
1. Wrestling was about to be kicked out of the Olympics [28], but drastic rule changes saved the spot for it. So there is no need to change anything in the previous Olympics and which ever way the scores were marked 2012 does not matter in 2016.
2. Raymarcbadz, You ask how classification system is irrelevant. Irrelevance comes from context. So, in the context of the countries Olympic performance pages what matters is how a match between wrestler A and wrestler B concluded. Relevance of the classification points comes after the tournament to rank places downward from 7th. So pretty minor relevance in the context of the whole tournament. Class points are merely as points given in the ball games win 3p, tie 1p, loss 0p, but in wrestling loser may also be given 1 point.
3. Manual of Style (Games summary – Nations) is outdated – the paragraph about wrestling has been unchanged from 2012 – before the rule changes.
4. In the Rio 2016 website, the standings of each wrestling event show only the classification rating – that's not true, the Rio page shows tech points, tech points were on scorebords besides the Wrestling mats etc.
Final Classification Report from rio (note the line between 5th and 7th. wrestlers under the line are ranked by class points)
As in this report classification points may be listed in the event pages in the Final standing list. Women's freestyle 58 kg#Final standing. Also in nations page at the end of the row there's columns Opposition Result & Rank maybe there can be a column class points?
5. How do we know if there's a tie between two wrestlers, a victory by fall, forfeit, or injury.
Athlete | Event | Qualification | Round of 16 | Quarterfinal | Semifinal | Repechage 1 | Repechage 2 | Final / BM | CP | Rank |
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Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result | ||||
Wrestler A | −98 kg | Wrestler B W 7−3 |
Wrestler C W 6+−6 |
Wrestler D W Fall(5–1) |
Wrestler E L 5R–1 |
Did not advance | 16 | 9 |