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Could we include some guidelines about specific types of articles. What throws me is whether we're judging how well known something is, or how significant. For example, the US 1 cent coin is well known to lots of people (perhaps mostly americans, but I think others as well). But it's significant to only some. Also, who's the casual numismatist? It's such a huge field that it's hard to say. Someone who collects world coins (like me) will know most of the current denominations, but none of the ancient stuff. Here are some examples, with my ideas off the top of my head:
Apparently, I haven't even managed to be consistent myself, so if I could get some feedback and have a plan, it would help. As for quality, I'm reading that A-class is better than Good Article. So, if an article is marked A, it should easily meet GA (not the class, the official Wikipedia Good Article designation). Does that seem right? Ingrid 00:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
What should we do about images? I've gone through many categories, lots are filled with just images. Should we just put "NA" as the class and leave it at that? Your input would be helpful. Johann Wolfgang 18:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Thinking about it, I wonder what the benefit of image vs. NA is for class. We'd still have no way to mark FA images (other than using class=FA which removes the image designation). What about an extra, optional parameter, image=yes which defaults to "no"? Or I could just tag them NA. Ingrid 00:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I am going to help the initial assessment, but I have to ask how is it possible to maintain the assessment in the long run. What if someone, expert of some regional matter but not of currency expert, improves an article for a significant amount? -- Chochopk 07:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I just discovered that Johann Wolfgang and I have a very different scale for quality. I'm not saying that either is definitely the "correct" one. I am new to this too, so I would like to bring this to everyone's attention. IMHO, I would say Algerian dinar and Ukrainian shah would be start class, instead of B. But if I am too strict, I will tone down a little. -- Chochopk 01:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
So disambig articles would have class=NA? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 09:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I just added List/Cat/Template/Dab parameters to the {{ numismaticnotice}}. Jo e I 02:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I didn't know a low class actually existed, but I just saw it on {{ WikiProject Hong Kong}}. So, yeah, I think that would help out, cause mid is overwhelmed. I would recommend things such as mints, counterfeiters and maybe numismatists to be listed under this. I will try to implement this now, cross your fingers. :) Jo e I 06:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:Chochopk:
Hey, I just implemented Cat/List/Dab/Template parameters on the notice. But I tried appling the Cat to Category talk:Template-Class numismatic articles and it's asking for an importance. Can you get rid of that such as it does on NA class Talk:$? Thanks :) Jo e I 02:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Since you're here Ingrid, can you see about the above problem? Jo e I 02:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, I added image and portal parameters as well. The portal works fine, but image is asking for an importance rating. Should we utilize it? I would thing not, to much work for the gain. And the dab parameter seems to have the wrong color, or at least a different color than what shows here. {{ Dab-Class}} shows the color that the numismaticnotice is showing, so I guess that would be the correct one. Jo e I 20:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
What about semi-dab page like ruble? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 22:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
New Question: should Gallery of whatever images pages be classified as lists or images? I'd say lists, but could see an argument for image. After WatchlistBot gets through all the images and portals, all that will be left in Category:Non-article numismatic pages is Wikipedia and dab, so it will actually be easy to tag those (the ones that were tagged NA that is). Ingrid 20:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I put some generic unit like ¥, Florin, Escudo, and Guilder into dab class. Don't know if you would think those are true dab or semi dab. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 02:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if we wanted to consider creating task forces ("currencies" is the one I can think of, that I would be personally most interested in, or perhaps splitting it into one for each continent). Or perhaps just tags to add to the template indicating what is needed (I can think of "needs_references", "needs_infobox", "needs_tables", and "needs_succession"). It would be nice to be able to use all of these tags to systematically improve articles (which I know Chochopk has been working on, and doing a great job of!). I stayed away for awhile, but now that I've dipped my toe back in, I want to jump right in -- I'm so bad at balance. Which is to say, I may end up disappearing again at any moment, so I'm not exactly volunteering to help tag everything (although I'd be happy to help set it up. Ingrid 01:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
By template, do you mean numismatic notice, and the associated categories? If that's the case, I fear that we won't have much flexibility on each attribute. For example, a number of things can go wrong with the infobox. It's easier with the table. I know that there are some problems with the table as it is now. But I can make improvements to it. I'm open to suggestions. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 01:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe that articles like EURion constellation, Microprinting, and Watermark should receive the same class. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 03:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
There is an argument for distinguishing coins (official pieces, used as money) from tokens (unofficial pieces, used as money), pseudo-coins (official pieces, not used as money) and medals (unofficial pieces, not used as money) and for ditinguishing medals (commercial objects) from decorations (objects issued to reward commendable behviour) throughout Wikipedia. However, see my remark on the discussion page of Coins of Lundy.
-- Peterk2 12:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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Could we include some guidelines about specific types of articles. What throws me is whether we're judging how well known something is, or how significant. For example, the US 1 cent coin is well known to lots of people (perhaps mostly americans, but I think others as well). But it's significant to only some. Also, who's the casual numismatist? It's such a huge field that it's hard to say. Someone who collects world coins (like me) will know most of the current denominations, but none of the ancient stuff. Here are some examples, with my ideas off the top of my head:
Apparently, I haven't even managed to be consistent myself, so if I could get some feedback and have a plan, it would help. As for quality, I'm reading that A-class is better than Good Article. So, if an article is marked A, it should easily meet GA (not the class, the official Wikipedia Good Article designation). Does that seem right? Ingrid 00:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
What should we do about images? I've gone through many categories, lots are filled with just images. Should we just put "NA" as the class and leave it at that? Your input would be helpful. Johann Wolfgang 18:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Thinking about it, I wonder what the benefit of image vs. NA is for class. We'd still have no way to mark FA images (other than using class=FA which removes the image designation). What about an extra, optional parameter, image=yes which defaults to "no"? Or I could just tag them NA. Ingrid 00:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I am going to help the initial assessment, but I have to ask how is it possible to maintain the assessment in the long run. What if someone, expert of some regional matter but not of currency expert, improves an article for a significant amount? -- Chochopk 07:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I just discovered that Johann Wolfgang and I have a very different scale for quality. I'm not saying that either is definitely the "correct" one. I am new to this too, so I would like to bring this to everyone's attention. IMHO, I would say Algerian dinar and Ukrainian shah would be start class, instead of B. But if I am too strict, I will tone down a little. -- Chochopk 01:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
So disambig articles would have class=NA? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 09:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I just added List/Cat/Template/Dab parameters to the {{ numismaticnotice}}. Jo e I 02:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I didn't know a low class actually existed, but I just saw it on {{ WikiProject Hong Kong}}. So, yeah, I think that would help out, cause mid is overwhelmed. I would recommend things such as mints, counterfeiters and maybe numismatists to be listed under this. I will try to implement this now, cross your fingers. :) Jo e I 06:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:Chochopk:
Hey, I just implemented Cat/List/Dab/Template parameters on the notice. But I tried appling the Cat to Category talk:Template-Class numismatic articles and it's asking for an importance. Can you get rid of that such as it does on NA class Talk:$? Thanks :) Jo e I 02:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Since you're here Ingrid, can you see about the above problem? Jo e I 02:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, I added image and portal parameters as well. The portal works fine, but image is asking for an importance rating. Should we utilize it? I would thing not, to much work for the gain. And the dab parameter seems to have the wrong color, or at least a different color than what shows here. {{ Dab-Class}} shows the color that the numismaticnotice is showing, so I guess that would be the correct one. Jo e I 20:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
What about semi-dab page like ruble? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 22:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
New Question: should Gallery of whatever images pages be classified as lists or images? I'd say lists, but could see an argument for image. After WatchlistBot gets through all the images and portals, all that will be left in Category:Non-article numismatic pages is Wikipedia and dab, so it will actually be easy to tag those (the ones that were tagged NA that is). Ingrid 20:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I put some generic unit like ¥, Florin, Escudo, and Guilder into dab class. Don't know if you would think those are true dab or semi dab. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 02:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if we wanted to consider creating task forces ("currencies" is the one I can think of, that I would be personally most interested in, or perhaps splitting it into one for each continent). Or perhaps just tags to add to the template indicating what is needed (I can think of "needs_references", "needs_infobox", "needs_tables", and "needs_succession"). It would be nice to be able to use all of these tags to systematically improve articles (which I know Chochopk has been working on, and doing a great job of!). I stayed away for awhile, but now that I've dipped my toe back in, I want to jump right in -- I'm so bad at balance. Which is to say, I may end up disappearing again at any moment, so I'm not exactly volunteering to help tag everything (although I'd be happy to help set it up. Ingrid 01:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
By template, do you mean numismatic notice, and the associated categories? If that's the case, I fear that we won't have much flexibility on each attribute. For example, a number of things can go wrong with the infobox. It's easier with the table. I know that there are some problems with the table as it is now. But I can make improvements to it. I'm open to suggestions. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 01:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe that articles like EURion constellation, Microprinting, and Watermark should receive the same class. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 03:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
There is an argument for distinguishing coins (official pieces, used as money) from tokens (unofficial pieces, used as money), pseudo-coins (official pieces, not used as money) and medals (unofficial pieces, not used as money) and for ditinguishing medals (commercial objects) from decorations (objects issued to reward commendable behviour) throughout Wikipedia. However, see my remark on the discussion page of Coins of Lundy.
-- Peterk2 12:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)