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It might be interesting to link each object to the book, character and the event it occurs in. - Mayuresh 22:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should combine these lists since they appear to be serving a similar purpose. The announcement list is currently off the main page, and I think it should return under tasks. The combined list would occur in the project banner and on the main page. The tasks list needs cleanup by the way. – Basar ( talk · contribs) 04:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I've always thought the project banner looked a little funny, no offense to whoever designed it. I don't think it would take me long to switch it over to a standard design like {{ WP Australia}}. [Clarification: the comments section would turn into our announcement section like our banner has currently] – Basar ( talk · contribs) 04:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, recently I've been nominating some Harry Potter related articles for deletion - with mixed results. Generally my main reason for nomination has been that they do not meet the notability guidelines as set out it WP:NN and WP:FICT. A lot of the articles are also plagued with original research and fancruft type material. I see the lack of significant coverage by multiple, reliable seocndary sources and the complete lack of real world content as being a problem common to many Harry Potter related articles even those that could probably be cleaned up and presented in a way that met WP:NN. Rather than continuing with multiple AfDs which have rarely given rise to a consensus I have been advised to raise my concerns here. To try and show what I consider to be the scale of the problem I have made a list of the articles that I believe in their current state show no evidence of meeting WP:NN - it can be found at:
The list includes a range of articles including those ehich seem to be n almost completely original reasearch essay based upon a couple of lines in the books (e.g. Being (Harry Potter)) to articles which almost certainly to meet the criteria for having an article but currently have no secondary sources (or real world content) (e.g. Harry Potter Universe). I think hat a lot of the material in these articles might be more appropriate on a Harry Potter faniste or Wiki rather than Wikipedia. Going through the articles, by far the most common sources are fansites (HP-Lexicon, Mugglenet, etc.) or interviews with J.K. Rowling - I do not think that these sources plus the information from the books justifies an article in many cases. [[ Guest9999 06:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)]]
This seems to miss the point of why those articles exist. If all the Hp articles were combined into one page it would be a zillion characters long. People, very many people, have contributed all that stuff because they think it belongs in this encyclopedia. I rather agree with them, it does. So, this zillion character article has been split into manageable sections. Some of them might be deleted, certainly, but I'm not necessarily convinced. The example given above of an article really deserving deletion actually does something rather more useful than parroting the plot. It rearranges information essentially from the books to explain a point to a reader. Now, why exactly is that unencyclopedic? A quick glance at the list suggests to me that the content should be kept. Please guys remember just what a phenomenon this is. Sandpiper 23:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone would mind if I tried to redesign the project page after WP:SIMPSONS. I also think automatic archiving would be good for the talk page, is that OK? – Basar ( talk · contribs) 03:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) Well I implemented the new page. I'll start prod'ing old subpages if no one has an issue with the new design. The way we list AfD's changed a little, so I'm going to wait for comment by the people who run that before I redo the documentation. –
Basar (
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00:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I had the locations article called "Places in Harry Potter", but a new user just moved it to "Geography of the Harry Potter stories". I do not think this is a good title because "geography" is a good title because that word does not refer to houses and such which is what we are describing. Anyway, before I move it back somewhere, I wanted to see what you guys thought a better title would be since I don't know if "places", "locations", or something else would be best. – Basar ( talk · contribs) 22:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Our navboxes are becoming very out of date, and I would like to convert them to a single, new navbox, just like the one at /Notability. I think we've done enough merging to switch {{ harrypotter}} and the locations navbox over, but I think it would be slightly premature to switch the characters navbox over as we haven't done enough merging of those articles yet. Just throwing that out there to alert everyone and fish for objections before I go running through with AWB. – Basar ( talk · contribs) 04:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
It's quite obvious that anything dealing with fictional material (unless of course, it's Halo or Warhammer, can't touch anything computer geeks like, it seems) is being ravaged. So what's the point? The Harry Potter article is a mess, no want wants to clean it up, and it's the only article that no one seems to want to kill. So why not just get rid of everything? Reduce Wikipedia's entire Harry Potter domain to a single sentence? Obviously that's about as notable as most people on Wikipedia seem to consider it. Serendipod ous 10:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Of course Seri was joking - it was a straw man argument, designed to inflame us into fixing the article. He's got a point, though. We should stop adding crufty little bits to the article like chapters and whatnot. We ar not here to chew the food for the reader. We write an article and let them do the reading. We don't recite entire plots, and we don't cite chapters, as it is almsot certainly a violation of the MOS. In films, the only things that go uncited are the Lead and the plot synopsis. Everything esle is cited - not with chapter and verse, but with actual external citations by reviewers, academics and cast and crew. The same sort of logic should be applied here. We are getting tagged as hard as we are for allowing this sort of sillyness to deflate any claim we might wish to make regarding the authenticiy and professionalism of the article's quality.
I would suggest that we focus our efforts on one book and one character article, getting them to FA status. Doing this will give us a guide on how to construct every other article from it. There are a number of FA articles about fictional characters that we can draw upon for help in creating these, like
Jabba the Hutt and
Padmé Amidala for character guidance, and for books we can turn to FA articles like
Watchmen,
The Illuminatus Trilogy, and
The Lord of the Rings. The latter is especially useful in that it shares some of the same characteristics with the HP series, in that it has been adapted to film.
Of course, this is only my opinion, but FA articles are pretty much the benchmark of good writing in Wikipedia. By following the examples of these articles, the HP ones only improve in quality and durability. -
Arcayne
(cast a spell)
16:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I totally agree with serendious. the harry potter article is a bit of a mess. Reading the introduction is a bit like reading my little bro's story -(no offence, just a joke =D). This happened, then this, then that, and after that and so on. Furthermore only someone who has read harry potter thoroughly will be able to understand it, so it needs to be a bit more 'reader friendly', mind my bad puns. the articles structure i think may need some work on, as it starts with translations and the end of the series before the real meat of the article. Lastly, and most surprisingly THE TRANSLATIONS AND LITERACY CRITICS PARAGRAPH'S ARE LONGER THAN THE THEMES!!!!! This i fail to beleive, as the themes presented by harry potter are a very important part to the analysis of the series. IT also misses some major themes, as i continually stress on but im being ignored.My opinion is that the structure of the article is bettered slightly first, and the rest of these issues. addy-g Addy-g-indahouse 12:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
To revive an old discussion, I just wanted to add an alternative to the Harry Potter Wiki, which is still quite small. If you want to contribute to a HP wiki, check out UnknowableWiki, which is where I'm active. -- Oxys kai moros 12:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Aw, man, the differences between the books and movies shouldn't have been deleated! We gotta do somthing to show how different they are! Please, please, that stuff is really important! Could we make them agian? I didn't get to the vote in time, but they sould stay! Please? Keyblade Mage 22:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Yeah, but I can't change anything on that. And what's with all this other stuff going on the Harry Potter articles right now? It's total chaos, and everything's getting deleted (Dragons come to mind), Lupin got merged to Lupin/Tonks family, Moody lost his page to staff at Hogwarts! What's up with this! Keyblade Mage 23:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Woah, sorry guys, I guess I've been pretty grouchy latly to just be whining like this here. There's been a lot of work being done, and I gotta just work and stop complaining. Keyblade Mage 19:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
I just relised, a good number of the actors, J.K. Rowling, and a bunch of other people associated with HP are part of this project's "scope" but we don't have a template for them. Should we make one, or was this already discussed before? Keyblade Mage 22:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Hey guys, I've found myself rather busier than expected this week, and HP fandom is undergoing an FAC. If anybody finds it in their heart to do some work on the article as per the concerns of the one reviewer right now, that would be SO much appreciated. Here's a reference for the towel girl; here's one for the dying girl, Natalie Macdonald. I'll keep thinking about how to incorporate the other wizard rock bands, unless someone has an idea -- just go ahead! MANY thanks, Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Why did you delete the Dumbledore's Army article? I believe that Dumbledore army is a VERY important part of the series. You should bring the article back.-- Nick4404 20:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Would someone with more time check over this guys contribs. I already reversed his unilateral copy/paste move of Minor Harry Potter characters. -- John Reaves 21:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm putting out a call to all of the CruftEaters Local 665 (the neighbor of the beast) to go to Blood purity (Harry Potter)and be prepared to dine. I am sure there are more crufty and synthesized articles in Wikipedia, but this is one where I am running out of citation needed tags (I don't use the page tag, coz folk are willing to take a look at one or two tags - they aren't as willing to sift through the article to deal with them all). Please drop by and lend a hand and remember, those claims likely to be challenged by a non-HP wonk need to be cited, which means claims that you know to be accurate but are extraordinary (as defined by WP:V). See you there. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I have finished work on the project Awards page, using the images that we decided upon above (actually now archived). In response to some concern that three awards were too many, I have carefully established the Order of Merlin as one award, leaving the determination of the class to award the duty of the editor making the award. Let's try and keep the first class for really special contributions (although that doesn't mean we shouldn't award it if it's clearly appropriate). I have made inaugural awards to Fbv65edel for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film), Serendipodous for Religious debates over the Harry Potter series, and Arcayne for general contributions. Happy‑ melon 16:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've sorta been caught in a editwar with user:Cburnett over att {{ harrypotter}} over that he's including Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone for the first book. This must have been discussed countless times already, surly Sorcerer's should not be included? Chandler talk 20:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
This article got through FA
These articles got through GA
So that's awesome, we are making great progress toward the goal of doubling the number of FA's and GA's during the September-January 1 time period.
To meet our goal, these were proposed as the next steps;
RENOMINATE FOR FA WHEN READY
IMPROVE AND GET TO GA STATUS
We are an awesome wikiproject!!! Judgesurreal777 20:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Well ill start of by saying that I posted this same text on the talk for {{
HarryPotterFamilyTree}} some time ago but never got a real answer, so I'll bring it up here again because the template still shows that the Gaunt family are decedents from Cadmus.
Where does it say that the Gaunt family are decedents of Cadmus? This is what the book says.
Meanwhile, [Cadmus] journeyed to his own home, where he lived alone... ...To his amazement and his delight, the figure of the girl he had once hoped to marry before her untimely death, appeared at once before him... ...Finally, the second brother driven mad with hopeless longing, killed himself so as truly to join her
To me it doesnt sound like he ever had any children (where he lived alone) or other wife (why would he try to call back his old tonsil hockey teammate from the dead if he already had a new one?).
The first brother Antioch is a possibility because nothing is said about him (we don't know how old they where when they got the deathly hallows). The only one we know had children is Ignotus, and i think that both Harry's family and the Gaunt's are decedents of him. If you say "the gaunts got the stone", It could just as easily have been stolen from Cadmus after his death, or left to his only living brother Ignotus? Maybe he had two children, gave them each one of the hallows.
So I think there should be (if anyone has got one) a reference for that statement, or it should be removed that they are decedents of Cadmus
Chandler
talk
06:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Lord Opeth has provided redirects for almost all of the minor character pages to Dumbldore's Army and whatnot. However, i don't see any indication of a discussion occurring, or a consensus to do this. I've reverted it in the Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw pages, put I am sure there are others. I find it distressing that this seems to happen a lot with Opeth. Thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Discussion regarding these redirects and the actual value of them is being discussed at Talk:Dumbledore's Army members. While I certainly feel that this conversation should be happening here, as this is the clearinghouse for all wiki things concerning Harry Potter, it is again clear that Opeth is determined to have a discussion in a place of his choosing. I want to have AGF here, but it gets harder when I undo almost 3 dozen redirects, and put as the edit summary for all of them the suggestion that he discuss the subject of redircts HERE - and then he initiates the conversation elsewhere. It seems as if he were intentionally avoiding the wikiproject. Is there a reason why that might be occuring? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I see that this project's watchlist has fallen into disuse. I think that such a tool is useful to a WikiProject of this size. It essentially saves members the trouble of having to individually watchlist all of this project's articles, categories, templates, and images. I would be glad to go through the currently outdated watchlist and clean out all of the things that have been deleted, merged, or retitled, and I would also be happy to maintain this list in the future. If there is a reason the watchlist isn't used any longer, or if there is an up-to-date list somewhere of which I'm unaware, please let me know. :) - Severa ( !!!) 19:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the book articles, and I noticed that for each book, the picture used at the top of each page is the British cover to the book. I have no problem with this, as the series first started in Britain, the author is British, and Britain is the first country (or was at least) the first country to get the new book. However, I did not see for any of the articles the U.S. cover. Scholastic is the other major publisher of the books, and in fact has the largest number of Harry Potter fans, not to mention that after J.K. Rowling finished DH, the first people she gave the manuscript to were her Bloomsbury (UK) editor and her Scholastic (US) editor. Considering all these things, shouldn't we have the U.S. covers somewhere in the articles? Is there a WP reason for not having them there, or has someone simply not taken the time to add them in? Anakinjmt 00:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
In light of this lawsuit, we must all tread very careful water in terms of quotations, plot summaries, FU rationales on images, etc. -- Fbv 65 e del — t — c // 23:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Harry Potter-related articles on Wikipedia (and, to an extent, the Lexicon) exist to provide readers with information. Unlike the Lexicon, though, Wikipedia does not publish original commentary or analysis of the books (going beyond the simple provision of information would run against NOR and NPOV). We compile all the minute details to be gained from the series into informative articles and leave it at that. The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization which aims to " eventually bring free knowledge to everyone on the planet." This isn't the same as writing a book from scratch and donating all the proceeds to charity, but, in my eyes, the spirit is a similar. The point is that Wikipedia isn't planning on publishing a commercial book like The Lexicon. I'm certain that Jo's take on encyclopedizing Harry Potter will have a lot of added value that Wikipedia or the Lexicon won't. Never-before-published facts, detailed genealogies, perhaps even some of Jo's sketches. The Encyclopedia of Arda hasn't stopped most Tolkien fans from picking up The History of Middle-earth. I'd like to respect the author's wishes, as it were, but I've yet to hear Jo breath a word about Wikipedia (from my reading of the link provided above, too, the complaints about the Lexicon site were penned by Jo's/WB's lawyers, not Jo herself). - Severa ( !!!) 04:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I suggest merging Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film) to the book's article. I don't suggest this in case the film's not made (lol), it's simply because of the lack of information. Opinions? Alientraveller 20:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The merge is done. Alientraveller 20:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Ministry of Magic is perhaps the cruftiest article I've come across. Hardly anything is known about it, yet somehow the article is 50k long! This article requires a massive overhaul. I'm willing to do it myself, but others are of course welcome to join in the fun. I'm just mentioning it here so that no one is surprised when huge chunks of the article start disappearing behind the veiled archway. ;) I assume there are no objections? faithless (speak) 22:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a more developed template for the portal that can be put onto article pages other than: {{Portal|Harry Potter}} Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 07:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Harry and the Potters is now a FA candidate. Comments will be made at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harry and the Potters. -- Fbv 65 e del — t — c // 21:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
As Chandler suggested in the Dumbledore's Army members talk page, maybe a Hogwarts student article would be ok, and all of the students (even those like Eloise Migden, that has "no house") could be listed together. For this, I would suggest to remove those like C. Warrington, Penelope Clearwater, Roger Davies or Montague that have little importance in the series. Remember that Wiki is not a complete guide for everything related to HP so I think that listing all the seekers, beaters and chasers of the houses is unnecessary. The article would feature in the end 12 Gryffindors, and 6 members from each of the other houses, which means it would be a 30 characters article. Lord Opeth 23:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that those that should be included in this article are the characters from the Minor Grys, Hufs, Ravs and Slys, maybe removing some Quidditch players with little involvement like Montage, Roger Davies, etc. Lord Opeth ( talk) 04:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Why is there still no page listing all the many mistakes and errors the author's managed to put in her books? :-) There's such a lot of them - I've never yet run across as many mistakes in a single book. D.Prok. ( talk) 07:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I haven't gotten around to fixing the Ministry article yet. Before I get started, shouldn't the article be named Ministry for Magic instead of Ministry of Magic? faithless (speak) 06:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
As some of you might already know, a while back I rewrote the List of Harry Potter characters article (and renamed it as well), since it was a huge crufty mess before. The characters are now listed alphabetically by last name. In the case of female characters who are married I list them by the name they're most know as, with a note under the other name directing the reader towards the correct section. For example, Hermione is found under "G" for "Hermione Granger" with a note under "W" for "Hermione Weasley" which says "see Hermione Granger." On the other hand, Narcissa is listed under "M" for "Narcissa Malfoy" with a note under "B" for "Narcissa Black."
Now, for Dorea Potter (the wife of Charlus Potter), I have her listed under "P" with a note under "B" as her maiden name is "Dorea Black." An editor has come along insisting that it is never specifically stated that Dorea and Charlus were married (which I'm not sure is correct, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), and therefore she should be listed under Dorea Black only. Even if this is true, which, again, I'm not so sure it is, assuming that they were not married and had a child out of wedlock is, frankly, idiotic. We shouldn't ignore common sense, and to suggest that they weren't married or that she didn't take the Potter name is doing just that. I've started the discussion on the article's talk page, and would like to get the input of the HP project. Cheers, faithless (speak) 23:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I urge those of you who have not done so to give your opinion, whatever it may be. If the community agrees with my arguments, the article should be returned to the way it was. If the community agrees with Folken's arguments, the rest of the article needs to be similarly updated. faithless (speak) 08:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussiong at
Talk:List_of_fictional_books_within_the_Harry_Potter_series#Merge_The_Tales_of_Beedle_the_Bard about whether to merge
The Tales of Beedle the Bard into
List_of_fictional_books_within_the_Harry_Potter_series. The articles were previously merged after a
deletion debate in late July 2007. On November 18, 2007, the redirect at Tales was changed
[2] to reflect the fact that Rowling has written seven real-life copies of Tales, although they are not being made widely available. The debate, if I can summarize correctly, centers around the following questions:
Hi everyone in the Harry Potter Wikiproject! I thought I'd address this issue here since it concerns this project first and foremost. I have stumbled across the article for the Harry Potter encyclopedia, but it's in an abysmal state. It has about four edits, is linked to one non-descript wikipage and is a stub with no citations at all. I was just wondering whether it should be merged or greatly improved immediately. I think that for now it should be merged, although when it is released it will definitely have its own article. Hope this issue can be addressed. Many thanks and keep up the good work for all us Harry Potter fans. Eagle Owl ( talk) 19:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
User:The Placebo Effect merged the Magical portraits article into the Magic article, according to the AfD discussion. But the user did not include the information anywhere, and the characters disappeared at all. I suggest that we first discuss where to include The Fat Lady, Ariana, Walburga, etc. before merging the article. Lord Opeth ( talk) 06:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd state for the record that JK Rowling is now an FA. Serendipod ous 17:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there an image on this project that can be used freely for the banner? Simply south ( talk) 13:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I know I've virtually abandoned this project in favour of the League of Copyeditors, but you still might find this useful. User:MelonBot is my new Bot whose first tasking request is maintenance of Project member lists. It basically scrapes a list of users off a Project "participants" page, then compiles a list of pages associated with that project. It looks at the edit history of each page and finds the most recent edit by each project member. The data is displayed in a nice wikitable. It's still in a trial mode at the moment but you might find the data here interesting and/or useful - it was compiled from checking all pages which transclude the {{ WPHP}} banner, and all associated mainpages. At the very least, it tells you who hasn't been editing a WPHP article since April 05!! Happy‑ melon 10:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
As the title says, I have made this merging proposal. A couple of suggestions had been made in the past about merging Death Eater into HP Universe, but that article is already large and some articles are about to be merged into them. If we merge the Death Eater article into the Dark wizards one, we will have a very strong article, especially if we find more sources. I think it is reasonable to merge the Death Eaters into Dark wizards because, after all, it is an organisation composed of dark wizards.
I made a Draft of a possible article containing both the list of dark wizards and the whole Death Eater article. No information is lost at all, and the article is 67 KB. Thoughts? Lord Opeth ( talk) 21:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand that the goal of this project is to build solid, cohesive articles while cutting down on redundancy and cruft, but I think that Magic (Harry Potter) may have seen the effect of too much merging. It seems to have become something of a place for everything which failed to fit elsewhere, and, as such, is extremely long and rather disorganized. I think it might be beneficial to develop a conservative plan for splitting the article into spinouts, something like Dark magic (Harry Potter), Magical abilities (Harry Potter), and Magical objects (Harry Potter). Thoughts? -Severa ( !!!) 22:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
As some of you know, the article about Blood Purity was suggested to be merged into the HP universe. I reviewed the BP article and it has lots of OR, in-universe and other stuff. I think that if we get rid of the "Pure-blood families", we can merge the rest of the information into the HP universe. I would like to make some exceptions: the Black family section can be placed in Sirius's article, the Malfoy family in Draco's, the Potter family into James and Lily's, and the Longbottom family in Neville's. There is already an article for the Weasley family, so no information would be lost there. Same with the House of Gaunt, that is already covered in Voldemort's. Lord Opeth ( talk) 22:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
When should this article be created. For those, who don't know what it is, it is a future book by JK Rowling which will be an encylopedia about the Harry Potter universe, spells, locations, people, e.t.c. Hpfan9374 ( talk) 06:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
So I suppose we finally reached the point in which no more merges can be done to the characters pages, almost all articles are already strong. We have almost 150 characters, 13 of them have their own pages, the rest are divided in 9 group pages (Weasleys, Potters/Dursleys, Hogwarts staff, students, Death Eaters, OotP, House-elves, Ghosts, and the Minor characters). There are also some pages that are not for characters but feature characters like the Ministry of Magic or the Magical Creatures. Newt Scamander is listed in Fantastic Beasts, Kennilworthy Whisp in Quidditch Through the Ages, and Nagini in Horcrux.
The Death Eaters page already features those notable characters that are Death Eaters like Bellatrix, Lucius, Wormtail, Crouch Jr or the Carrows. The Order also features some relevant characters like Tonks, Aberforth and Kingsley. The House-elf and the Ghosts articles are somehow weak but the Magical Creatures article is already large, so I'm for keeping both of them. The House-elf features important characters like Dobby and Kreacher, and the Ghosts have the 4 Hogwarts ghosts, Myrtle and Peeves. The Minor HP characters article lists some secondary characters with a notable information that cannot be lost, such as Narcissa Malfoy, Gellert Grindelwald, Viktor Krum, Rita Skeeter, Ariana Dumbledore, Ollivander, etc.
We have a total of 22 characters pages then. I suggest we include all of them in the Characters section in the HP Template. Thoughts on this?
(I would post a copy of this message in the Notability page.) Lord Opeth ( talk) 17:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Having recently done some research into Cassandra Clare's fanfiction days so that I could add it to her article, I decided to see what else I could find about other Harry Potter fanfics and their authors. There seem to actually be quite a few newspaper articles about some of them. So, I was thinking maybe I would write Wikipedia articles on the notable ones, but I thought perhaps I should come here first to see how that might be received. Presumably as long as they had reliable sources to show notability, this is not something people would object to...? I know there is a section in Harry Potter fandom about fanfics, but only one fanfic is specifically mentioned and it's mostly about Harry Potter fanfiction in general. -- KittyRainbow ( talk) 06:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, two weeks later, and I'm back again. After asking that question I continued with my research and somehow got sucked into researching HP fansites and wizard rock bands too. Quite a few things in those areas seem to be notable as well, so I'm now planning to write some articles about those. I've pretty much finished my research at this point and I should be starting to get the articles up soon.
I have another question though, about categorisation: apparently there used to be Category:Harry Potter fan fiction but it was deleted because there was only one article in it - should I recreate this or would they go under Category:Harry Potter derived works? Also, right now, you can't get from the sections in Harry Potter fandom to all of the relevant articles. (For example, as Draco and the Malfoys isn't mentioned under Wizard Rock, you can't get to it from there.) Would it be a good idea to stick in something like See also: Category:Harry Potter bands or See also: List of Harry Potter bands or something? (I can't find anything specific about the creation of corresponding categories and lists... but I think maybe lists would be more useful in this case.)
Oh, and one more thing: in the lead sections of the articles, should I link Harry Potter fan fiction as Harry Potter fan fiction or Harry Potter fan fiction...? -- KittyRainbow ( talk) 18:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I really dislike this field, which identifies characters by their blood status, i.e. pureblood, halfblood, etc. It strikes me as very in-universe. Anyone agree that it should go? faithless (speak) 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I created a template linking to all the different character sections in the several group character articles. When I finished I realised it wasn't really suitable for use in main space (pretty sprawling and redundant ot the main Harry Poter template). Obviously others agreed and within minutes it was nominated for deletion. I've userfied it and was just wondering if anyone here thought they could use it (maybe as a jumping off point if they want to work on improving the information on individual characters). Anyway it's - here - if anyone wants it, if not I guess I'll speedy G7 it. Regards, Guest9999 ( talk) 06:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
UserGuest9999/Harry Potter characters template
rather than
User:Guest9999/Harry Potter characters template, so I've moved it properly to your userspace and used my shiny new admin bit (thanks BTW!) to clear up the redirects. I'm sure we can find a use for it somewhere around here.
Happy‑
melon
09:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I have asked to split ths list. Simply south ( talk) 16:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about this while browsing thru articles and wanted to see what others thought. It would be part of the infobox that follows the characters status (alive, deceased, imprisoned, unknown, etc). It could be made collapsible to avoid easy spoliers. For example, Sirius Black would be somewhat like: Prisoner of Azkaban: imprisoned, later escaped; Goblet of Fire: alive; Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: deceased. It could look something like:
Status | |||||||||
Prisoner of Azkaban | imprisoned, later escaped | ||||||||
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Order of the Phoenix | deceased |
Grsz11 ( talk) 20:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The illustrations in our articles are almost entirely shots from the films. Wouldn't it be better to have some pictures that are illustrations from the actual books? Some of Mary GrandPré's work, perhaps, or that of whoever illustrated the Bloomsbury editions? It would be just as fair use as movie shots, wouldn't it? It would be more informative to the reader to see a depiction of Albus Dumbledore from the books than two separate pictures of Michael Gambon's portrayal of him (not to mention a shot of Richard Harris's portrayal), as is now the case. Aleta (Sing) 02:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll magic something up this weekend for all the characters, upload them all and place the links here, so folk can distribute them from this central point. Sound good? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone had any ideas for improving this article, it seems to be in a ludicrously bad state (no references, 95% of the content is the plot summary) considering it's one of the most popular books of all time (and the book that started it all). I realise that a lot of the content which would normally be in an article of this type has been hived off due to the amount of coverage but surely sourced sections of reception, legacy, etc. could be put in without being totally redundant to content elsewhere. I don't have a great deal of experience with article building and with a topic this huge I'm really not sure where to start; it just seems a bit sad that there are probably a dozen "sub-articles" of the work that are currently at or on their way to good or featured status whilst the artile on the book that spawned it all remains in this condition. Guest9999 ( talk) 00:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I do not believe that the article as it is meets the good article criteria. I've brought up my concerns on the talk page of the article here. Guest9999 ( talk) 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
REPLY After Guest999's two unsuccessful attempts to delete the Horcrux article ( here and here), his new suggestion to downgrade the article is, frankly, unwarranted and preposterous. If the article needs to be cleaned up, I suggest that Guest999 takes the time to clean it up rather than constantly criticizing the existing article. ∅BRIT 14:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Incidentally, the first AfD closed with a result of no consensus, several months later I renominated as I felt that the article still did not meet the inclusion criteria and that a consensus might be established. A consensus was established - to keep the article - a view which I disagreed with but accepted as that is how consensus works. My view on the article's good article status is in no way coloured by my past nominations, they are completely seperate issues. I did not delist the article, all I did was give my opinion on the talk page, so far every user but one that has commented there seems to agree that there are issues with the article and some have started trying to improve it. Guest9999 ( talk) 18:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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It might be interesting to link each object to the book, character and the event it occurs in. - Mayuresh 22:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should combine these lists since they appear to be serving a similar purpose. The announcement list is currently off the main page, and I think it should return under tasks. The combined list would occur in the project banner and on the main page. The tasks list needs cleanup by the way. – Basar ( talk · contribs) 04:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I've always thought the project banner looked a little funny, no offense to whoever designed it. I don't think it would take me long to switch it over to a standard design like {{ WP Australia}}. [Clarification: the comments section would turn into our announcement section like our banner has currently] – Basar ( talk · contribs) 04:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, recently I've been nominating some Harry Potter related articles for deletion - with mixed results. Generally my main reason for nomination has been that they do not meet the notability guidelines as set out it WP:NN and WP:FICT. A lot of the articles are also plagued with original research and fancruft type material. I see the lack of significant coverage by multiple, reliable seocndary sources and the complete lack of real world content as being a problem common to many Harry Potter related articles even those that could probably be cleaned up and presented in a way that met WP:NN. Rather than continuing with multiple AfDs which have rarely given rise to a consensus I have been advised to raise my concerns here. To try and show what I consider to be the scale of the problem I have made a list of the articles that I believe in their current state show no evidence of meeting WP:NN - it can be found at:
The list includes a range of articles including those ehich seem to be n almost completely original reasearch essay based upon a couple of lines in the books (e.g. Being (Harry Potter)) to articles which almost certainly to meet the criteria for having an article but currently have no secondary sources (or real world content) (e.g. Harry Potter Universe). I think hat a lot of the material in these articles might be more appropriate on a Harry Potter faniste or Wiki rather than Wikipedia. Going through the articles, by far the most common sources are fansites (HP-Lexicon, Mugglenet, etc.) or interviews with J.K. Rowling - I do not think that these sources plus the information from the books justifies an article in many cases. [[ Guest9999 06:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)]]
This seems to miss the point of why those articles exist. If all the Hp articles were combined into one page it would be a zillion characters long. People, very many people, have contributed all that stuff because they think it belongs in this encyclopedia. I rather agree with them, it does. So, this zillion character article has been split into manageable sections. Some of them might be deleted, certainly, but I'm not necessarily convinced. The example given above of an article really deserving deletion actually does something rather more useful than parroting the plot. It rearranges information essentially from the books to explain a point to a reader. Now, why exactly is that unencyclopedic? A quick glance at the list suggests to me that the content should be kept. Please guys remember just what a phenomenon this is. Sandpiper 23:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone would mind if I tried to redesign the project page after WP:SIMPSONS. I also think automatic archiving would be good for the talk page, is that OK? – Basar ( talk · contribs) 03:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) Well I implemented the new page. I'll start prod'ing old subpages if no one has an issue with the new design. The way we list AfD's changed a little, so I'm going to wait for comment by the people who run that before I redo the documentation. –
Basar (
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00:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I had the locations article called "Places in Harry Potter", but a new user just moved it to "Geography of the Harry Potter stories". I do not think this is a good title because "geography" is a good title because that word does not refer to houses and such which is what we are describing. Anyway, before I move it back somewhere, I wanted to see what you guys thought a better title would be since I don't know if "places", "locations", or something else would be best. – Basar ( talk · contribs) 22:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Our navboxes are becoming very out of date, and I would like to convert them to a single, new navbox, just like the one at /Notability. I think we've done enough merging to switch {{ harrypotter}} and the locations navbox over, but I think it would be slightly premature to switch the characters navbox over as we haven't done enough merging of those articles yet. Just throwing that out there to alert everyone and fish for objections before I go running through with AWB. – Basar ( talk · contribs) 04:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
It's quite obvious that anything dealing with fictional material (unless of course, it's Halo or Warhammer, can't touch anything computer geeks like, it seems) is being ravaged. So what's the point? The Harry Potter article is a mess, no want wants to clean it up, and it's the only article that no one seems to want to kill. So why not just get rid of everything? Reduce Wikipedia's entire Harry Potter domain to a single sentence? Obviously that's about as notable as most people on Wikipedia seem to consider it. Serendipod ous 10:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Of course Seri was joking - it was a straw man argument, designed to inflame us into fixing the article. He's got a point, though. We should stop adding crufty little bits to the article like chapters and whatnot. We ar not here to chew the food for the reader. We write an article and let them do the reading. We don't recite entire plots, and we don't cite chapters, as it is almsot certainly a violation of the MOS. In films, the only things that go uncited are the Lead and the plot synopsis. Everything esle is cited - not with chapter and verse, but with actual external citations by reviewers, academics and cast and crew. The same sort of logic should be applied here. We are getting tagged as hard as we are for allowing this sort of sillyness to deflate any claim we might wish to make regarding the authenticiy and professionalism of the article's quality.
I would suggest that we focus our efforts on one book and one character article, getting them to FA status. Doing this will give us a guide on how to construct every other article from it. There are a number of FA articles about fictional characters that we can draw upon for help in creating these, like
Jabba the Hutt and
Padmé Amidala for character guidance, and for books we can turn to FA articles like
Watchmen,
The Illuminatus Trilogy, and
The Lord of the Rings. The latter is especially useful in that it shares some of the same characteristics with the HP series, in that it has been adapted to film.
Of course, this is only my opinion, but FA articles are pretty much the benchmark of good writing in Wikipedia. By following the examples of these articles, the HP ones only improve in quality and durability. -
Arcayne
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16:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I totally agree with serendious. the harry potter article is a bit of a mess. Reading the introduction is a bit like reading my little bro's story -(no offence, just a joke =D). This happened, then this, then that, and after that and so on. Furthermore only someone who has read harry potter thoroughly will be able to understand it, so it needs to be a bit more 'reader friendly', mind my bad puns. the articles structure i think may need some work on, as it starts with translations and the end of the series before the real meat of the article. Lastly, and most surprisingly THE TRANSLATIONS AND LITERACY CRITICS PARAGRAPH'S ARE LONGER THAN THE THEMES!!!!! This i fail to beleive, as the themes presented by harry potter are a very important part to the analysis of the series. IT also misses some major themes, as i continually stress on but im being ignored.My opinion is that the structure of the article is bettered slightly first, and the rest of these issues. addy-g Addy-g-indahouse 12:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
To revive an old discussion, I just wanted to add an alternative to the Harry Potter Wiki, which is still quite small. If you want to contribute to a HP wiki, check out UnknowableWiki, which is where I'm active. -- Oxys kai moros 12:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Aw, man, the differences between the books and movies shouldn't have been deleated! We gotta do somthing to show how different they are! Please, please, that stuff is really important! Could we make them agian? I didn't get to the vote in time, but they sould stay! Please? Keyblade Mage 22:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Yeah, but I can't change anything on that. And what's with all this other stuff going on the Harry Potter articles right now? It's total chaos, and everything's getting deleted (Dragons come to mind), Lupin got merged to Lupin/Tonks family, Moody lost his page to staff at Hogwarts! What's up with this! Keyblade Mage 23:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Woah, sorry guys, I guess I've been pretty grouchy latly to just be whining like this here. There's been a lot of work being done, and I gotta just work and stop complaining. Keyblade Mage 19:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
I just relised, a good number of the actors, J.K. Rowling, and a bunch of other people associated with HP are part of this project's "scope" but we don't have a template for them. Should we make one, or was this already discussed before? Keyblade Mage 22:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Hey guys, I've found myself rather busier than expected this week, and HP fandom is undergoing an FAC. If anybody finds it in their heart to do some work on the article as per the concerns of the one reviewer right now, that would be SO much appreciated. Here's a reference for the towel girl; here's one for the dying girl, Natalie Macdonald. I'll keep thinking about how to incorporate the other wizard rock bands, unless someone has an idea -- just go ahead! MANY thanks, Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Why did you delete the Dumbledore's Army article? I believe that Dumbledore army is a VERY important part of the series. You should bring the article back.-- Nick4404 20:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Would someone with more time check over this guys contribs. I already reversed his unilateral copy/paste move of Minor Harry Potter characters. -- John Reaves 21:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm putting out a call to all of the CruftEaters Local 665 (the neighbor of the beast) to go to Blood purity (Harry Potter)and be prepared to dine. I am sure there are more crufty and synthesized articles in Wikipedia, but this is one where I am running out of citation needed tags (I don't use the page tag, coz folk are willing to take a look at one or two tags - they aren't as willing to sift through the article to deal with them all). Please drop by and lend a hand and remember, those claims likely to be challenged by a non-HP wonk need to be cited, which means claims that you know to be accurate but are extraordinary (as defined by WP:V). See you there. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I have finished work on the project Awards page, using the images that we decided upon above (actually now archived). In response to some concern that three awards were too many, I have carefully established the Order of Merlin as one award, leaving the determination of the class to award the duty of the editor making the award. Let's try and keep the first class for really special contributions (although that doesn't mean we shouldn't award it if it's clearly appropriate). I have made inaugural awards to Fbv65edel for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film), Serendipodous for Religious debates over the Harry Potter series, and Arcayne for general contributions. Happy‑ melon 16:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've sorta been caught in a editwar with user:Cburnett over att {{ harrypotter}} over that he's including Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone for the first book. This must have been discussed countless times already, surly Sorcerer's should not be included? Chandler talk 20:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
This article got through FA
These articles got through GA
So that's awesome, we are making great progress toward the goal of doubling the number of FA's and GA's during the September-January 1 time period.
To meet our goal, these were proposed as the next steps;
RENOMINATE FOR FA WHEN READY
IMPROVE AND GET TO GA STATUS
We are an awesome wikiproject!!! Judgesurreal777 20:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Well ill start of by saying that I posted this same text on the talk for {{
HarryPotterFamilyTree}} some time ago but never got a real answer, so I'll bring it up here again because the template still shows that the Gaunt family are decedents from Cadmus.
Where does it say that the Gaunt family are decedents of Cadmus? This is what the book says.
Meanwhile, [Cadmus] journeyed to his own home, where he lived alone... ...To his amazement and his delight, the figure of the girl he had once hoped to marry before her untimely death, appeared at once before him... ...Finally, the second brother driven mad with hopeless longing, killed himself so as truly to join her
To me it doesnt sound like he ever had any children (where he lived alone) or other wife (why would he try to call back his old tonsil hockey teammate from the dead if he already had a new one?).
The first brother Antioch is a possibility because nothing is said about him (we don't know how old they where when they got the deathly hallows). The only one we know had children is Ignotus, and i think that both Harry's family and the Gaunt's are decedents of him. If you say "the gaunts got the stone", It could just as easily have been stolen from Cadmus after his death, or left to his only living brother Ignotus? Maybe he had two children, gave them each one of the hallows.
So I think there should be (if anyone has got one) a reference for that statement, or it should be removed that they are decedents of Cadmus
Chandler
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06:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Lord Opeth has provided redirects for almost all of the minor character pages to Dumbldore's Army and whatnot. However, i don't see any indication of a discussion occurring, or a consensus to do this. I've reverted it in the Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw pages, put I am sure there are others. I find it distressing that this seems to happen a lot with Opeth. Thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Discussion regarding these redirects and the actual value of them is being discussed at Talk:Dumbledore's Army members. While I certainly feel that this conversation should be happening here, as this is the clearinghouse for all wiki things concerning Harry Potter, it is again clear that Opeth is determined to have a discussion in a place of his choosing. I want to have AGF here, but it gets harder when I undo almost 3 dozen redirects, and put as the edit summary for all of them the suggestion that he discuss the subject of redircts HERE - and then he initiates the conversation elsewhere. It seems as if he were intentionally avoiding the wikiproject. Is there a reason why that might be occuring? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I see that this project's watchlist has fallen into disuse. I think that such a tool is useful to a WikiProject of this size. It essentially saves members the trouble of having to individually watchlist all of this project's articles, categories, templates, and images. I would be glad to go through the currently outdated watchlist and clean out all of the things that have been deleted, merged, or retitled, and I would also be happy to maintain this list in the future. If there is a reason the watchlist isn't used any longer, or if there is an up-to-date list somewhere of which I'm unaware, please let me know. :) - Severa ( !!!) 19:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the book articles, and I noticed that for each book, the picture used at the top of each page is the British cover to the book. I have no problem with this, as the series first started in Britain, the author is British, and Britain is the first country (or was at least) the first country to get the new book. However, I did not see for any of the articles the U.S. cover. Scholastic is the other major publisher of the books, and in fact has the largest number of Harry Potter fans, not to mention that after J.K. Rowling finished DH, the first people she gave the manuscript to were her Bloomsbury (UK) editor and her Scholastic (US) editor. Considering all these things, shouldn't we have the U.S. covers somewhere in the articles? Is there a WP reason for not having them there, or has someone simply not taken the time to add them in? Anakinjmt 00:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
In light of this lawsuit, we must all tread very careful water in terms of quotations, plot summaries, FU rationales on images, etc. -- Fbv 65 e del — t — c // 23:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Harry Potter-related articles on Wikipedia (and, to an extent, the Lexicon) exist to provide readers with information. Unlike the Lexicon, though, Wikipedia does not publish original commentary or analysis of the books (going beyond the simple provision of information would run against NOR and NPOV). We compile all the minute details to be gained from the series into informative articles and leave it at that. The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization which aims to " eventually bring free knowledge to everyone on the planet." This isn't the same as writing a book from scratch and donating all the proceeds to charity, but, in my eyes, the spirit is a similar. The point is that Wikipedia isn't planning on publishing a commercial book like The Lexicon. I'm certain that Jo's take on encyclopedizing Harry Potter will have a lot of added value that Wikipedia or the Lexicon won't. Never-before-published facts, detailed genealogies, perhaps even some of Jo's sketches. The Encyclopedia of Arda hasn't stopped most Tolkien fans from picking up The History of Middle-earth. I'd like to respect the author's wishes, as it were, but I've yet to hear Jo breath a word about Wikipedia (from my reading of the link provided above, too, the complaints about the Lexicon site were penned by Jo's/WB's lawyers, not Jo herself). - Severa ( !!!) 04:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I suggest merging Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film) to the book's article. I don't suggest this in case the film's not made (lol), it's simply because of the lack of information. Opinions? Alientraveller 20:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The merge is done. Alientraveller 20:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Ministry of Magic is perhaps the cruftiest article I've come across. Hardly anything is known about it, yet somehow the article is 50k long! This article requires a massive overhaul. I'm willing to do it myself, but others are of course welcome to join in the fun. I'm just mentioning it here so that no one is surprised when huge chunks of the article start disappearing behind the veiled archway. ;) I assume there are no objections? faithless (speak) 22:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a more developed template for the portal that can be put onto article pages other than: {{Portal|Harry Potter}} Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 07:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Harry and the Potters is now a FA candidate. Comments will be made at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harry and the Potters. -- Fbv 65 e del — t — c // 21:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
As Chandler suggested in the Dumbledore's Army members talk page, maybe a Hogwarts student article would be ok, and all of the students (even those like Eloise Migden, that has "no house") could be listed together. For this, I would suggest to remove those like C. Warrington, Penelope Clearwater, Roger Davies or Montague that have little importance in the series. Remember that Wiki is not a complete guide for everything related to HP so I think that listing all the seekers, beaters and chasers of the houses is unnecessary. The article would feature in the end 12 Gryffindors, and 6 members from each of the other houses, which means it would be a 30 characters article. Lord Opeth 23:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that those that should be included in this article are the characters from the Minor Grys, Hufs, Ravs and Slys, maybe removing some Quidditch players with little involvement like Montage, Roger Davies, etc. Lord Opeth ( talk) 04:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Why is there still no page listing all the many mistakes and errors the author's managed to put in her books? :-) There's such a lot of them - I've never yet run across as many mistakes in a single book. D.Prok. ( talk) 07:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I haven't gotten around to fixing the Ministry article yet. Before I get started, shouldn't the article be named Ministry for Magic instead of Ministry of Magic? faithless (speak) 06:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
As some of you might already know, a while back I rewrote the List of Harry Potter characters article (and renamed it as well), since it was a huge crufty mess before. The characters are now listed alphabetically by last name. In the case of female characters who are married I list them by the name they're most know as, with a note under the other name directing the reader towards the correct section. For example, Hermione is found under "G" for "Hermione Granger" with a note under "W" for "Hermione Weasley" which says "see Hermione Granger." On the other hand, Narcissa is listed under "M" for "Narcissa Malfoy" with a note under "B" for "Narcissa Black."
Now, for Dorea Potter (the wife of Charlus Potter), I have her listed under "P" with a note under "B" as her maiden name is "Dorea Black." An editor has come along insisting that it is never specifically stated that Dorea and Charlus were married (which I'm not sure is correct, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), and therefore she should be listed under Dorea Black only. Even if this is true, which, again, I'm not so sure it is, assuming that they were not married and had a child out of wedlock is, frankly, idiotic. We shouldn't ignore common sense, and to suggest that they weren't married or that she didn't take the Potter name is doing just that. I've started the discussion on the article's talk page, and would like to get the input of the HP project. Cheers, faithless (speak) 23:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I urge those of you who have not done so to give your opinion, whatever it may be. If the community agrees with my arguments, the article should be returned to the way it was. If the community agrees with Folken's arguments, the rest of the article needs to be similarly updated. faithless (speak) 08:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussiong at
Talk:List_of_fictional_books_within_the_Harry_Potter_series#Merge_The_Tales_of_Beedle_the_Bard about whether to merge
The Tales of Beedle the Bard into
List_of_fictional_books_within_the_Harry_Potter_series. The articles were previously merged after a
deletion debate in late July 2007. On November 18, 2007, the redirect at Tales was changed
[2] to reflect the fact that Rowling has written seven real-life copies of Tales, although they are not being made widely available. The debate, if I can summarize correctly, centers around the following questions:
Hi everyone in the Harry Potter Wikiproject! I thought I'd address this issue here since it concerns this project first and foremost. I have stumbled across the article for the Harry Potter encyclopedia, but it's in an abysmal state. It has about four edits, is linked to one non-descript wikipage and is a stub with no citations at all. I was just wondering whether it should be merged or greatly improved immediately. I think that for now it should be merged, although when it is released it will definitely have its own article. Hope this issue can be addressed. Many thanks and keep up the good work for all us Harry Potter fans. Eagle Owl ( talk) 19:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
User:The Placebo Effect merged the Magical portraits article into the Magic article, according to the AfD discussion. But the user did not include the information anywhere, and the characters disappeared at all. I suggest that we first discuss where to include The Fat Lady, Ariana, Walburga, etc. before merging the article. Lord Opeth ( talk) 06:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd state for the record that JK Rowling is now an FA. Serendipod ous 17:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there an image on this project that can be used freely for the banner? Simply south ( talk) 13:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I know I've virtually abandoned this project in favour of the League of Copyeditors, but you still might find this useful. User:MelonBot is my new Bot whose first tasking request is maintenance of Project member lists. It basically scrapes a list of users off a Project "participants" page, then compiles a list of pages associated with that project. It looks at the edit history of each page and finds the most recent edit by each project member. The data is displayed in a nice wikitable. It's still in a trial mode at the moment but you might find the data here interesting and/or useful - it was compiled from checking all pages which transclude the {{ WPHP}} banner, and all associated mainpages. At the very least, it tells you who hasn't been editing a WPHP article since April 05!! Happy‑ melon 10:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
As the title says, I have made this merging proposal. A couple of suggestions had been made in the past about merging Death Eater into HP Universe, but that article is already large and some articles are about to be merged into them. If we merge the Death Eater article into the Dark wizards one, we will have a very strong article, especially if we find more sources. I think it is reasonable to merge the Death Eaters into Dark wizards because, after all, it is an organisation composed of dark wizards.
I made a Draft of a possible article containing both the list of dark wizards and the whole Death Eater article. No information is lost at all, and the article is 67 KB. Thoughts? Lord Opeth ( talk) 21:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand that the goal of this project is to build solid, cohesive articles while cutting down on redundancy and cruft, but I think that Magic (Harry Potter) may have seen the effect of too much merging. It seems to have become something of a place for everything which failed to fit elsewhere, and, as such, is extremely long and rather disorganized. I think it might be beneficial to develop a conservative plan for splitting the article into spinouts, something like Dark magic (Harry Potter), Magical abilities (Harry Potter), and Magical objects (Harry Potter). Thoughts? -Severa ( !!!) 22:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
As some of you know, the article about Blood Purity was suggested to be merged into the HP universe. I reviewed the BP article and it has lots of OR, in-universe and other stuff. I think that if we get rid of the "Pure-blood families", we can merge the rest of the information into the HP universe. I would like to make some exceptions: the Black family section can be placed in Sirius's article, the Malfoy family in Draco's, the Potter family into James and Lily's, and the Longbottom family in Neville's. There is already an article for the Weasley family, so no information would be lost there. Same with the House of Gaunt, that is already covered in Voldemort's. Lord Opeth ( talk) 22:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
When should this article be created. For those, who don't know what it is, it is a future book by JK Rowling which will be an encylopedia about the Harry Potter universe, spells, locations, people, e.t.c. Hpfan9374 ( talk) 06:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
So I suppose we finally reached the point in which no more merges can be done to the characters pages, almost all articles are already strong. We have almost 150 characters, 13 of them have their own pages, the rest are divided in 9 group pages (Weasleys, Potters/Dursleys, Hogwarts staff, students, Death Eaters, OotP, House-elves, Ghosts, and the Minor characters). There are also some pages that are not for characters but feature characters like the Ministry of Magic or the Magical Creatures. Newt Scamander is listed in Fantastic Beasts, Kennilworthy Whisp in Quidditch Through the Ages, and Nagini in Horcrux.
The Death Eaters page already features those notable characters that are Death Eaters like Bellatrix, Lucius, Wormtail, Crouch Jr or the Carrows. The Order also features some relevant characters like Tonks, Aberforth and Kingsley. The House-elf and the Ghosts articles are somehow weak but the Magical Creatures article is already large, so I'm for keeping both of them. The House-elf features important characters like Dobby and Kreacher, and the Ghosts have the 4 Hogwarts ghosts, Myrtle and Peeves. The Minor HP characters article lists some secondary characters with a notable information that cannot be lost, such as Narcissa Malfoy, Gellert Grindelwald, Viktor Krum, Rita Skeeter, Ariana Dumbledore, Ollivander, etc.
We have a total of 22 characters pages then. I suggest we include all of them in the Characters section in the HP Template. Thoughts on this?
(I would post a copy of this message in the Notability page.) Lord Opeth ( talk) 17:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Having recently done some research into Cassandra Clare's fanfiction days so that I could add it to her article, I decided to see what else I could find about other Harry Potter fanfics and their authors. There seem to actually be quite a few newspaper articles about some of them. So, I was thinking maybe I would write Wikipedia articles on the notable ones, but I thought perhaps I should come here first to see how that might be received. Presumably as long as they had reliable sources to show notability, this is not something people would object to...? I know there is a section in Harry Potter fandom about fanfics, but only one fanfic is specifically mentioned and it's mostly about Harry Potter fanfiction in general. -- KittyRainbow ( talk) 06:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, two weeks later, and I'm back again. After asking that question I continued with my research and somehow got sucked into researching HP fansites and wizard rock bands too. Quite a few things in those areas seem to be notable as well, so I'm now planning to write some articles about those. I've pretty much finished my research at this point and I should be starting to get the articles up soon.
I have another question though, about categorisation: apparently there used to be Category:Harry Potter fan fiction but it was deleted because there was only one article in it - should I recreate this or would they go under Category:Harry Potter derived works? Also, right now, you can't get from the sections in Harry Potter fandom to all of the relevant articles. (For example, as Draco and the Malfoys isn't mentioned under Wizard Rock, you can't get to it from there.) Would it be a good idea to stick in something like See also: Category:Harry Potter bands or See also: List of Harry Potter bands or something? (I can't find anything specific about the creation of corresponding categories and lists... but I think maybe lists would be more useful in this case.)
Oh, and one more thing: in the lead sections of the articles, should I link Harry Potter fan fiction as Harry Potter fan fiction or Harry Potter fan fiction...? -- KittyRainbow ( talk) 18:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I really dislike this field, which identifies characters by their blood status, i.e. pureblood, halfblood, etc. It strikes me as very in-universe. Anyone agree that it should go? faithless (speak) 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I created a template linking to all the different character sections in the several group character articles. When I finished I realised it wasn't really suitable for use in main space (pretty sprawling and redundant ot the main Harry Poter template). Obviously others agreed and within minutes it was nominated for deletion. I've userfied it and was just wondering if anyone here thought they could use it (maybe as a jumping off point if they want to work on improving the information on individual characters). Anyway it's - here - if anyone wants it, if not I guess I'll speedy G7 it. Regards, Guest9999 ( talk) 06:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
UserGuest9999/Harry Potter characters template
rather than
User:Guest9999/Harry Potter characters template, so I've moved it properly to your userspace and used my shiny new admin bit (thanks BTW!) to clear up the redirects. I'm sure we can find a use for it somewhere around here.
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melon
09:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I have asked to split ths list. Simply south ( talk) 16:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about this while browsing thru articles and wanted to see what others thought. It would be part of the infobox that follows the characters status (alive, deceased, imprisoned, unknown, etc). It could be made collapsible to avoid easy spoliers. For example, Sirius Black would be somewhat like: Prisoner of Azkaban: imprisoned, later escaped; Goblet of Fire: alive; Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: deceased. It could look something like:
Status | |||||||||
Prisoner of Azkaban | imprisoned, later escaped | ||||||||
Goblet of Fire | alive | ||||||||
Order of the Phoenix | deceased |
Grsz11 ( talk) 20:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The illustrations in our articles are almost entirely shots from the films. Wouldn't it be better to have some pictures that are illustrations from the actual books? Some of Mary GrandPré's work, perhaps, or that of whoever illustrated the Bloomsbury editions? It would be just as fair use as movie shots, wouldn't it? It would be more informative to the reader to see a depiction of Albus Dumbledore from the books than two separate pictures of Michael Gambon's portrayal of him (not to mention a shot of Richard Harris's portrayal), as is now the case. Aleta (Sing) 02:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll magic something up this weekend for all the characters, upload them all and place the links here, so folk can distribute them from this central point. Sound good? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone had any ideas for improving this article, it seems to be in a ludicrously bad state (no references, 95% of the content is the plot summary) considering it's one of the most popular books of all time (and the book that started it all). I realise that a lot of the content which would normally be in an article of this type has been hived off due to the amount of coverage but surely sourced sections of reception, legacy, etc. could be put in without being totally redundant to content elsewhere. I don't have a great deal of experience with article building and with a topic this huge I'm really not sure where to start; it just seems a bit sad that there are probably a dozen "sub-articles" of the work that are currently at or on their way to good or featured status whilst the artile on the book that spawned it all remains in this condition. Guest9999 ( talk) 00:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I do not believe that the article as it is meets the good article criteria. I've brought up my concerns on the talk page of the article here. Guest9999 ( talk) 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
REPLY After Guest999's two unsuccessful attempts to delete the Horcrux article ( here and here), his new suggestion to downgrade the article is, frankly, unwarranted and preposterous. If the article needs to be cleaned up, I suggest that Guest999 takes the time to clean it up rather than constantly criticizing the existing article. ∅BRIT 14:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Incidentally, the first AfD closed with a result of no consensus, several months later I renominated as I felt that the article still did not meet the inclusion criteria and that a consensus might be established. A consensus was established - to keep the article - a view which I disagreed with but accepted as that is how consensus works. My view on the article's good article status is in no way coloured by my past nominations, they are completely seperate issues. I did not delist the article, all I did was give my opinion on the talk page, so far every user but one that has commented there seems to agree that there are issues with the article and some have started trying to improve it. Guest9999 ( talk) 18:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)