I notice that several NZ MP articles have assessments on their performance from the site transtasman.co.nz. In two cases ( Katrina Shanks and Grant Robertson), there is a table of such assessments over several years. A list of links to the site can be found at [1].
Is transtasman a well-regarded and neutral organisation/publication whose assessments might be used more widely in MP's articles, or should such assessments be removed? I'm more inclined to the latter view, or at least their assessments should be balanced against those of other commentators - and adding those balancing views would be rather a lot of work.- gadfium 21:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Hugo and Fanx, rather than some of us creating sort order in the results templates with all electorates in alphabetical order, only for the next user to come along and stick the Maori electorates at the bottom, why don't we have a discussion here which sort order we should use? I for one have been creating these lists in alphabetical order, but I'm open to arguments why the other sort order might be more appropriate. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what we decide, but we shouldn't have a situation where we revert each other's work. I'm guessing that neither of you has noticed that this is going on. Schwede 66 02:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
When I raised the order for the Maori electorates with Schwede in February, only the 1935 & 1938 templates had the four Maori electorates together at the end; the others all had the Maori electorates spread in alphabetical order throughout the list, which is why I proposed listing all of them in alphabetical order too. But as they are separate at the end in many government listings, it would be OK with me to list them all that way. I also noticed that while most elections list electorates alphabetically, some 19c elections (eg 1884 & 1887) are listed geographically north to south. Hugo999 ( talk) 09:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Now that the election has been called, I've been thinking about getting in touch with the party publicity officers about getting invites to wellington-based meet-and-greets to get photos of candidates, unless someone else has similar plans. My understanding is that all candidates can have their photos on the electorate page, if we have a suitable, freely licensed, image? I have a camera that's good for taking portrait shots. Given that I'm a political neophyte, any tips would be appreciated before I launch. Stuartyeates ( talk) 06:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In the majority of cases, focused pages of a WikiProject are dubbed to be a Task Force or Work Group. Please consider formalizing this subpage into a semi-organized collaboration on the subject of New Zealand Politics. Liz Read! Talk! 17:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
At
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion there is a proposal to delete or merge
Template:Christchurch East by-election, 2013 into one of it's transcluded articles. This would presumably have a knock-on effect for many of our other templates for elections, by-elections, by-elections per parliamentary term etc. Your input would be appreciated.
Fan |
talk |
07:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
We are having a discussion about this template and you might want to join in. Schwede 66 05:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I've been approached to write some articles for a new blog that CC New Zealand have in the pipeline. I'm thinking that one of my piece should be an article encouraging aspiring photo journalists to take photos of candidates during the election and upload them to wikimedia under a CC license. My real question is: am I right in thinking that we can use (at least) a photo of every candidate on Category:New Zealand electorates + several for people who already have articles? I'll probably also talk about taking photos of natural geographic features and public artworks in their locality. Stuartyeates ( talk) 10:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
If all goes to plan for the Internet Party and the Mana Party they will be contesting electorate seats under their current party identities, and standing a combined list as the Internet Party and MANA Movement, (also to be known as Internet MANA). This will effectively be three parties, and we need to accommodate all three in our election results templates.
Party | Candidate | Notes | List | Index | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Mana Party | Hone Harawira | using {{ NZ election box candidate}} | 1 | Mana Party | |
Internet | Laila Harré | using {{ NZ election box candidate}} | 2 | Internet |
Internet MANA's proposed logo [2] is primarily black and red - both colours being used by major existing parties. As the party is currently designed to have a short "shelf-life" I propose a gradient as the party political colour to represent this anomalous situation
{{
NZ election box coalition candidate}}
{{
NZ election box coalition candidate}}
Party | Candidate | Notes | List | Index | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Labour | David Cunliffe | 1 | Labour | ||
Internet Mana | Miriam Pierard | using {{ NZ election box candidate}} | 6 | Internet Mana | |
NZ First | Winston Peters | 1 | NZ First |
The object of this proposal is not simply to introduce a different style of colour template, but to differentiate between the Internet and Mana parties, and between the individual parties and their combined list on the various election tables. I have attempted to incorporate the gradient script into a template #F8F9FA - so far without success.
Fan |
talk |
11:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Reworked tables above with new meta/gradient template type {{
Internet Party and MANA Movement/meta/gradient}} - with three #REDIRECTs; {{
Internet Party (New Zealand)/meta/gradient}}, {{
Mana Party/meta/gradient}} and #F8F9FA
New template {{
NZ election box coalition candidate}} references the /meta/gradient templates and as the examples use redirects the differing party names and their relevant meta/shortname and wikilinks work separately. Using the standard candidate or results templates (in this case {{
NZ election box candidate}}) we can use either a standard HEX as our meta/color template, or we can use a linear gradient. This means no extra template series to otherwise accommodate the gradients since we only need edit the meta/color templates.
Fan |
talk |
13:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
There's discussion on renaming Internet MANA/Mana at
Talk:Internet Party and MANA Movement#Article title, and while I support the official capitalised version others do not - and NZ media seem to prefer their own invention of a hyphenated Internet-Mana. Regardless of which version you support you input would be appreciated.
Fan |
talk |
03:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed to rename this article at Talk:Internet_Party_and_MANA_Movement. Ground Zero | t 15:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the scope of The Civilian article. Please chip in if you are interested. Schwede 66 06:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
This election we seem to be working on the election in an ad-hoc manner compared to previous elections - no 2014 taskforce as in 2011, and I know I've seen a list of likely new MP pages somewhere, but I can't quite find it now.
I've made a results template that can be edited and pasted to each electorate (primarily for party vote only results) - to be read in conjunction with the Candidates by electorate article, or sections as copied to each electorate. The candidates by electorate templates are easily converted into results templates by simply changing the template name slightly - {{ NZ election box candidate}} becomes {{ MMP election box candidate}} etc. (NZ election box templates are always created with "redundant" fields that are used only when the templates are renamed).
In lieu of any known offer to create a map of election/electorate results I have written a
cartogram - example for current parliament at
svg images.
Fan |
talk |
14:14, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Many of the electorate articles seem to have broken external links to http://www.parliament.nz that need updating. Nurg ( talk) 10:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Some electorate's geographical descriptions are inaccurate after the boundary review. Ridcully Jack ( talk) 10:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I've updated the Members of Parliament tables for all current electorates to the agreed format (e.g. for Taupo from
this to
this), and there's just two Maori electorates to go (
Te Tai Hauāuru and
Tāmaki Makaurau). With regards to the latter one, I propose to split off the 1999 to 2002
Hauraki (Māori electorate); please discuss on the
article's talk page if you have any thoughts.
Schwede
66
19:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I have made Waitakere a historic electorate. I have requested a move over a redirect for the electorate template so that the correct one will show under the current electorates. This requested template move shows some linked pages as being requested for deletion (i.e. the wikilink is light red) - I guess that's a bug in the system. Schwede 66 19:46, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
We need to work our way through the 71 electorates and update:
From my perspective, the results tables can wait until later given that they are still preliminary. Here's a list, and I suggest we strike out electorates that we have dealt with. Schwede 66 04:20, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Auckland Central,
Bay of Plenty,
Botany,
Coromandel,
East Coast,
East Coast Bays,
Epsom,
Hamilton East,
Hamilton West,
Helensville,
Hunua,
Hutt South,
Kelston,
Mana,
Māngere,
Manukau East,
Manurewa,
Maungakiekie,
Mount Albert,
Mount Roskill, ,
Napier,
New Lynn,
New Plymouth
North Shore,
Northcote,
Northland,
Ōhāriu,
Ōtaki,
Pakuranga,
Palmerston North,
Papakura,
Rangitīkei,
Rimutaka,
Rodney,
Rongotai,
Rotorua,
Tāmaki,
Taranaki-King Country,
Taupō,
Tauranga,
Te Atatū,
Tukituki,
Upper Harbour,
Waikato,
Wairarapa,
Wellington Central,
Whanganui,
Whangarei
Christchurch Central,
Christchurch East,
Clutha-Southland,
Dunedin North,
Dunedin South,
Ilam,
Invercargill,
Kaikōura,
Nelson,
Port Hills,
Rangitata,
Selwyn,
Waimakariri,
Waitaki,
West Coast-Tasman,
Wigram
Hauraki-Waikato,
Ikaroa-Rāwhiti,
Tāmaki Makaurau,
Te Tai Hauāuru,
Te Tai Tokerau,
Te Tai Tonga,
Waiariki
The Electoral Commission separates the Internet and Mana candidates from the party vote (eg [3]). Should we be doing the same in electorate result tables? Adabow ( talk) 01:25, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
{{MMP election box local party candidate| |color = #7C0808 |party = [[Mana Party|Mana]] |candidate = [[Candidate Name]] |votes = |percentage = |change = }} and {{MMP election box local party candidate| |color = #662C92 |party = [[Internet Party (New Zealand)|Internet]] |candidate = [[Candidate Name]] |votes = |percentage = |change = }} and {{MMP election box party only| |party = Internet Party and MANA Movement |party votes = |party percent = |party change = }}
Some thoughts:
<ref>{{cite web |url= http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/electorate-yy.html
|title=Official Count Results -- xxx
|publisher=[[Electoral Commission (New Zealand)|Electoral Commission]]
|accessdate=4 October 2014 |date=4 October 2014}}</ref>
In that citation, replace:
Thanks! Schwede 66 02:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
General Election 2014: Waikikamukau [1] | |||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Notes: |
Blue background denotes the winner of the electorate vote.
| ||||||||
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | ±% | Party votes | % | ±% | ||
Internet Mana | Laila Harré | 1,315 | 3.79 | +3.79 | 338 | 0.96 | +0.79 | ||
Internet Mana | Hone Harawira | 8,971 | 41.35 | -1.97 | 4,247 | 18.75 | -5.74 | ||
Independent | Ebeneezer Scrooge | 100 | 1.0 | -1.00 | 100 | 1.0 | +1.00 | ||
Internet Mana | Laila Harré | ( Internet) | 1,315 | 3.79 | +3.79 | 338 | 0.96 | +0.79 | |
Internet Mana | Hone Harawira | ( Mana Party) | 8,971 | 41.35 | -1.97 | 4,247 | 18.71 | -5.74 | |
Informal votes | 150 | 100 | |||||||
Total valid votes | 1,000 | 1,000 | |||||||
Mana Party gain from Internet | Majority | 100 | 1.00 | -1.00 |
I made a new version ( File:New_Zealand_electorates_2014_(wiki_colours).svg) using the official wikipedia NZ politics meta colours for parties. I like the old colours better but you may want to use this instead. -- Korakys ( talk) 03:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a discussion at Talk:Robert_Muldoon#Requested_move_5_March_2015 as to whether the article should be titled Robert Muldoon or Rob Muldoon. I'm a "Roberter" myself but I'll let you make your own minds up. Please help us develop a concensus. Regards. MaxBrowne ( talk) 03:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi, after looking through the general election pages I noticed there wasn't a graph easily illustrating the percentage of votes and seats like in other election pages, therefore I thought it would be an idea to add them. However in my over enthusiasm I replaced the pie-charts in the 2014, 2011 and 2008 election pages, which a fellow user thought was more appropriate than the graphs. Therefore though I've already added them to 2014-1990, I thought it be best to find out if it was appropriate to add these graphs (perhaps in addition to the current charts) before I continue adding the graphs to all the NZ election pages. Humongous125 ( talk) 00:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
One of the consequences of the Northland by-election, 2015 is that we'll get a new MP into parliament. If Peters manages to win the by-election, somebody on the NZ First list will get in, and Ria Bond is next in line. It's a draft article that could do with a bit of expanding. Schwede 66 19:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Ive noticed that there is some discrepancy between many of the NZ election articles and information from the Electoral Commission [ [4]] about past elections. The first point is share of the vote, I noticed that for the 1908 election article says Liberal obtained 48.63% however the EC shows that they won 58.7%. I also noticed for the 1911 election, the electoral commission states liberal 40.1% of the vote while the article shows they only gained 34% of the vote, plus it also gives the total vote share. Therefore I am wondering how this should be corrected?
The second point I noticed is that again for many elections, despite what the article and what the electoral commission states about the number of seats won, the list of candidates in the article shows a different number of seats won per party. Taken the 1902 election as an example, the EC states Liberal won 49 seats, but there appears to be 51 successful liberal candidates.
I did however note, the electoral commission is not always accurate as in the 1914 election it states that 6 Labour group members won that election with no independents that year, however John Payne’s article states he was an independent until the actual Labour Party was formed in 1916.
I also noticed that in the 1919 election, many electorate winners appear as independents, despite the persons article stating they are members of parties with no mention of defections around the time of the election. With these candidates added up, there appears to be a greater number of Reform politicians, even than whats stated by the electoral commission.
Therefore I am enquring what should be done to correct this. Should the electoral commission be followed religiously or do we follow the win of each candidate and count up the party wins from there? Humongous125 ( talk) 14:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
There's a discussion on how or whether to identify the official United/Reform Coalition candidates for the 1931 and 1935 elections at this talk page that other editors might want to contribute to. Schwede 66 23:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Hugo999: You once had the thought of setting up an article with political records, e.g. youngest MP ever and the like. Are you still thinking of doing that? I've just had a look how many elections back somebody got into parliament who's still alive, and got lucky in 1957: Bob Tizard. By jolly, that is a long time ago. I started with the 1954 election and thought that should surely be far enough back, but got across somebody who died in 2013 and who had first been elected in 1947, so maybe I should check earlier elections than 1954 as well. Some kind of record is Father of the House, but we have an article for that one already. Anyway, any thoughts? Schwede 66 10:11, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, still interested in the idea. Had a look for similar lists in other countries, but no luck sofar. Do you know of any? Hugo999 ( talk) 00:08, 19 June 2015 (UTC) PS: Other possibilities are "Youngest MP when elected", "longest-serving MP" and (from Wilson) "MPs who were also MPs in other countries" (from Wilson; i.e. also MP in Australia or Britain)
Re the New Zealand order of precedence article, the article lists only two MPs shown as current MPs Judith Collins & Chester Borrows but there are quite a few current Labour MPs in this category as they were Ministers of the Crown and as far as I know were not Ministers outside Cabinet. Their current MP page on the Parliamentary website has the title “The Hon” eg see Phil Goff. Those titled “Hon” are: Clayton Cosgrove, David Cunliffe, Ruth Dyson , Phil Goff, Annette King, Trevor Mallard, Nanaia Mahuta, Damien O'Connor & David Parker. And Peter Dunne who was in a Labour cabinet (tho he is listed). But some current National MPs who are ministers outside Cabinet are listed eg Paul Goldsmith although he is not shown with the title “Hon” see Paul Goldsmith. PS: David Clendon (Green) has the role of Musterer according to his page on the Parliamentary website! A nicer name for Whip? Hugo999 ( talk) 13:56, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Kiwichris: What is the rationale for ditching the results template from the 13th New Zealand Parliament with this edit (and the 12th Parliament with this edit, and replacing it with a manual results table? This has potentially quite far-reaching implications, and here's why. We used to have manual results tables for the election and nth parliament pages. The trouble was that editors had to know that when they wanted to make a change, they had to update two results tables simultaneously. This didn't work, and auditing the results tables showed that they were, without exception, quite different. Hence we agreed on the template approach. Later on, somebody came along and put our templates up for deletion because each of them had only two transclusions. We argued long and hard, and in the end, it was agreed that we could maintain our template approach. Obviously, with just one transclusion remaining, we are breaking the requirements for using templates, and we are back to where we started. So is it ok to revert your edit, or do you have good reasons why we should abandon the results template approach? Schwede 66 17:17, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
I am seeking clarification on what is "encyclopedic" in relation to politicians. A user has removed information on how Alfred Ngaro voted on a conscience vote and information on a bill created by Ngaro. The claim is the information is not encyclopedic. Incredtent ( talk) 22:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There are some more mayoral election articles appearing; see the mayoral elections in New Zealand category. Kiwichris is working on Wellington articles, and I've written some for Christchurch. I thought it would be useful to now add appropriate navboxes, and I've drafted one in my userspace (which is as yet incomplete, but you'll see what I'm aiming for). If you've got any thoughts on what should be done differently, better, etc, please comment here. Schwede 66 06:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to start a discussion about why we use the tag "Opposition" in reference to opponents to the Liberal Party pre-1909. Over the last year or two doing research here It has become quite clear that they were known more specifically as "Conservatives". While reading up on the Reform Party, the reason that the name Reform itself was chosen by Massey was to provide a more appealing label that rid themselves of the "Conservative" branding given to them by Seddon. It is also somewhat confusing as The Liberals themselves were referred to as "Opposition" by media both pre-1890 and post-1912. Might I suggest we use Conservative instead of Opposition? Kiwichris ( talk) 05:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Is anything being done about including the
Lab-Green MoU in the respective party articles? ... and on a related note, should we consider Lab-Green as a block now, as in
electoral polling and in the
2017 election?
Fan |
talk |
08:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I've been looking into making some articles for opposition shadow cabinets but haven't had much luck finding any good info other than the list of Kirk's listed in David Grant's bio of him. Anyways, I sent an e-mail to the Parliamentary Library asking if they had any information they could give me. The reply contained the recent Labour ones (which already have articles) but also for some National shadow cabinets (McLay, Bolger, Shipley & English). I'm happy to make articles for them, but was wondering how to source them properly. The only time I can see anything like this happening before is on the Chairman of Committees page. Sourcing in this format would suffice? Kiwichris ( talk) 11:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
User Ajf773 for some reason has suggested the proposed merge of two articles I have been working on: Rangitikei District and Rangitikei District Council despite there being many articles for other New Zealand local authorities' councils separately from the article for those local authorities. The user claims it is because a lack of notability despite one or two or so articles a week from the Whanganui Chronicle and the Manawatu Standard. Is the article for Rangitikei District Council deserving of being a separate article from the article for the district it governs? Please chime in on Talk:Rangitikei District Council. JaumeBG (talk) 06:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to Kiwichris, we have a lot of electoral history of New Zealand politicians articles being created. Good on you! We also have a long-standing convention of setting up results templates for by-elections, as they are also used in the respective electorate articles. It would seem logical that we template the results that are used in the electoral history articles, too, or would there be any opposing views? If all's good, shall I help going through the articles and setting up templates? Schwede 66 08:05, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Shall we write the electoral histories of all New Zealand politicians or just the Prime Ministers? J 947 06:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Are we going to create a page for the impending National leadership election on 12/12/16? I've noticed we don't have any pages for National leadership elections, only Labour and Liberal party. I've got the numbers and info for all their leadership contests from 1936 to 1997, but not the more recent ones. Kiwichris ( talk) 04:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I notice that several NZ MP articles have assessments on their performance from the site transtasman.co.nz. In two cases ( Katrina Shanks and Grant Robertson), there is a table of such assessments over several years. A list of links to the site can be found at [1].
Is transtasman a well-regarded and neutral organisation/publication whose assessments might be used more widely in MP's articles, or should such assessments be removed? I'm more inclined to the latter view, or at least their assessments should be balanced against those of other commentators - and adding those balancing views would be rather a lot of work.- gadfium 21:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Hugo and Fanx, rather than some of us creating sort order in the results templates with all electorates in alphabetical order, only for the next user to come along and stick the Maori electorates at the bottom, why don't we have a discussion here which sort order we should use? I for one have been creating these lists in alphabetical order, but I'm open to arguments why the other sort order might be more appropriate. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what we decide, but we shouldn't have a situation where we revert each other's work. I'm guessing that neither of you has noticed that this is going on. Schwede 66 02:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
When I raised the order for the Maori electorates with Schwede in February, only the 1935 & 1938 templates had the four Maori electorates together at the end; the others all had the Maori electorates spread in alphabetical order throughout the list, which is why I proposed listing all of them in alphabetical order too. But as they are separate at the end in many government listings, it would be OK with me to list them all that way. I also noticed that while most elections list electorates alphabetically, some 19c elections (eg 1884 & 1887) are listed geographically north to south. Hugo999 ( talk) 09:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Now that the election has been called, I've been thinking about getting in touch with the party publicity officers about getting invites to wellington-based meet-and-greets to get photos of candidates, unless someone else has similar plans. My understanding is that all candidates can have their photos on the electorate page, if we have a suitable, freely licensed, image? I have a camera that's good for taking portrait shots. Given that I'm a political neophyte, any tips would be appreciated before I launch. Stuartyeates ( talk) 06:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In the majority of cases, focused pages of a WikiProject are dubbed to be a Task Force or Work Group. Please consider formalizing this subpage into a semi-organized collaboration on the subject of New Zealand Politics. Liz Read! Talk! 17:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
At
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion there is a proposal to delete or merge
Template:Christchurch East by-election, 2013 into one of it's transcluded articles. This would presumably have a knock-on effect for many of our other templates for elections, by-elections, by-elections per parliamentary term etc. Your input would be appreciated.
Fan |
talk |
07:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
We are having a discussion about this template and you might want to join in. Schwede 66 05:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I've been approached to write some articles for a new blog that CC New Zealand have in the pipeline. I'm thinking that one of my piece should be an article encouraging aspiring photo journalists to take photos of candidates during the election and upload them to wikimedia under a CC license. My real question is: am I right in thinking that we can use (at least) a photo of every candidate on Category:New Zealand electorates + several for people who already have articles? I'll probably also talk about taking photos of natural geographic features and public artworks in their locality. Stuartyeates ( talk) 10:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
If all goes to plan for the Internet Party and the Mana Party they will be contesting electorate seats under their current party identities, and standing a combined list as the Internet Party and MANA Movement, (also to be known as Internet MANA). This will effectively be three parties, and we need to accommodate all three in our election results templates.
Party | Candidate | Notes | List | Index | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Mana Party | Hone Harawira | using {{ NZ election box candidate}} | 1 | Mana Party | |
Internet | Laila Harré | using {{ NZ election box candidate}} | 2 | Internet |
Internet MANA's proposed logo [2] is primarily black and red - both colours being used by major existing parties. As the party is currently designed to have a short "shelf-life" I propose a gradient as the party political colour to represent this anomalous situation
{{
NZ election box coalition candidate}}
{{
NZ election box coalition candidate}}
Party | Candidate | Notes | List | Index | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Labour | David Cunliffe | 1 | Labour | ||
Internet Mana | Miriam Pierard | using {{ NZ election box candidate}} | 6 | Internet Mana | |
NZ First | Winston Peters | 1 | NZ First |
The object of this proposal is not simply to introduce a different style of colour template, but to differentiate between the Internet and Mana parties, and between the individual parties and their combined list on the various election tables. I have attempted to incorporate the gradient script into a template #F8F9FA - so far without success.
Fan |
talk |
11:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Reworked tables above with new meta/gradient template type {{
Internet Party and MANA Movement/meta/gradient}} - with three #REDIRECTs; {{
Internet Party (New Zealand)/meta/gradient}}, {{
Mana Party/meta/gradient}} and #F8F9FA
New template {{
NZ election box coalition candidate}} references the /meta/gradient templates and as the examples use redirects the differing party names and their relevant meta/shortname and wikilinks work separately. Using the standard candidate or results templates (in this case {{
NZ election box candidate}}) we can use either a standard HEX as our meta/color template, or we can use a linear gradient. This means no extra template series to otherwise accommodate the gradients since we only need edit the meta/color templates.
Fan |
talk |
13:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
There's discussion on renaming Internet MANA/Mana at
Talk:Internet Party and MANA Movement#Article title, and while I support the official capitalised version others do not - and NZ media seem to prefer their own invention of a hyphenated Internet-Mana. Regardless of which version you support you input would be appreciated.
Fan |
talk |
03:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed to rename this article at Talk:Internet_Party_and_MANA_Movement. Ground Zero | t 15:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the scope of The Civilian article. Please chip in if you are interested. Schwede 66 06:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
This election we seem to be working on the election in an ad-hoc manner compared to previous elections - no 2014 taskforce as in 2011, and I know I've seen a list of likely new MP pages somewhere, but I can't quite find it now.
I've made a results template that can be edited and pasted to each electorate (primarily for party vote only results) - to be read in conjunction with the Candidates by electorate article, or sections as copied to each electorate. The candidates by electorate templates are easily converted into results templates by simply changing the template name slightly - {{ NZ election box candidate}} becomes {{ MMP election box candidate}} etc. (NZ election box templates are always created with "redundant" fields that are used only when the templates are renamed).
In lieu of any known offer to create a map of election/electorate results I have written a
cartogram - example for current parliament at
svg images.
Fan |
talk |
14:14, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Many of the electorate articles seem to have broken external links to http://www.parliament.nz that need updating. Nurg ( talk) 10:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Some electorate's geographical descriptions are inaccurate after the boundary review. Ridcully Jack ( talk) 10:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I've updated the Members of Parliament tables for all current electorates to the agreed format (e.g. for Taupo from
this to
this), and there's just two Maori electorates to go (
Te Tai Hauāuru and
Tāmaki Makaurau). With regards to the latter one, I propose to split off the 1999 to 2002
Hauraki (Māori electorate); please discuss on the
article's talk page if you have any thoughts.
Schwede
66
19:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I have made Waitakere a historic electorate. I have requested a move over a redirect for the electorate template so that the correct one will show under the current electorates. This requested template move shows some linked pages as being requested for deletion (i.e. the wikilink is light red) - I guess that's a bug in the system. Schwede 66 19:46, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
We need to work our way through the 71 electorates and update:
From my perspective, the results tables can wait until later given that they are still preliminary. Here's a list, and I suggest we strike out electorates that we have dealt with. Schwede 66 04:20, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Auckland Central,
Bay of Plenty,
Botany,
Coromandel,
East Coast,
East Coast Bays,
Epsom,
Hamilton East,
Hamilton West,
Helensville,
Hunua,
Hutt South,
Kelston,
Mana,
Māngere,
Manukau East,
Manurewa,
Maungakiekie,
Mount Albert,
Mount Roskill, ,
Napier,
New Lynn,
New Plymouth
North Shore,
Northcote,
Northland,
Ōhāriu,
Ōtaki,
Pakuranga,
Palmerston North,
Papakura,
Rangitīkei,
Rimutaka,
Rodney,
Rongotai,
Rotorua,
Tāmaki,
Taranaki-King Country,
Taupō,
Tauranga,
Te Atatū,
Tukituki,
Upper Harbour,
Waikato,
Wairarapa,
Wellington Central,
Whanganui,
Whangarei
Christchurch Central,
Christchurch East,
Clutha-Southland,
Dunedin North,
Dunedin South,
Ilam,
Invercargill,
Kaikōura,
Nelson,
Port Hills,
Rangitata,
Selwyn,
Waimakariri,
Waitaki,
West Coast-Tasman,
Wigram
Hauraki-Waikato,
Ikaroa-Rāwhiti,
Tāmaki Makaurau,
Te Tai Hauāuru,
Te Tai Tokerau,
Te Tai Tonga,
Waiariki
The Electoral Commission separates the Internet and Mana candidates from the party vote (eg [3]). Should we be doing the same in electorate result tables? Adabow ( talk) 01:25, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
{{MMP election box local party candidate| |color = #7C0808 |party = [[Mana Party|Mana]] |candidate = [[Candidate Name]] |votes = |percentage = |change = }} and {{MMP election box local party candidate| |color = #662C92 |party = [[Internet Party (New Zealand)|Internet]] |candidate = [[Candidate Name]] |votes = |percentage = |change = }} and {{MMP election box party only| |party = Internet Party and MANA Movement |party votes = |party percent = |party change = }}
Some thoughts:
<ref>{{cite web |url= http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/electorate-yy.html
|title=Official Count Results -- xxx
|publisher=[[Electoral Commission (New Zealand)|Electoral Commission]]
|accessdate=4 October 2014 |date=4 October 2014}}</ref>
In that citation, replace:
Thanks! Schwede 66 02:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
General Election 2014: Waikikamukau [1] | |||||||||
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Notes: |
Blue background denotes the winner of the electorate vote.
| ||||||||
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | ±% | Party votes | % | ±% | ||
Internet Mana | Laila Harré | 1,315 | 3.79 | +3.79 | 338 | 0.96 | +0.79 | ||
Internet Mana | Hone Harawira | 8,971 | 41.35 | -1.97 | 4,247 | 18.75 | -5.74 | ||
Independent | Ebeneezer Scrooge | 100 | 1.0 | -1.00 | 100 | 1.0 | +1.00 | ||
Internet Mana | Laila Harré | ( Internet) | 1,315 | 3.79 | +3.79 | 338 | 0.96 | +0.79 | |
Internet Mana | Hone Harawira | ( Mana Party) | 8,971 | 41.35 | -1.97 | 4,247 | 18.71 | -5.74 | |
Informal votes | 150 | 100 | |||||||
Total valid votes | 1,000 | 1,000 | |||||||
Mana Party gain from Internet | Majority | 100 | 1.00 | -1.00 |
I made a new version ( File:New_Zealand_electorates_2014_(wiki_colours).svg) using the official wikipedia NZ politics meta colours for parties. I like the old colours better but you may want to use this instead. -- Korakys ( talk) 03:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a discussion at Talk:Robert_Muldoon#Requested_move_5_March_2015 as to whether the article should be titled Robert Muldoon or Rob Muldoon. I'm a "Roberter" myself but I'll let you make your own minds up. Please help us develop a concensus. Regards. MaxBrowne ( talk) 03:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi, after looking through the general election pages I noticed there wasn't a graph easily illustrating the percentage of votes and seats like in other election pages, therefore I thought it would be an idea to add them. However in my over enthusiasm I replaced the pie-charts in the 2014, 2011 and 2008 election pages, which a fellow user thought was more appropriate than the graphs. Therefore though I've already added them to 2014-1990, I thought it be best to find out if it was appropriate to add these graphs (perhaps in addition to the current charts) before I continue adding the graphs to all the NZ election pages. Humongous125 ( talk) 00:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
One of the consequences of the Northland by-election, 2015 is that we'll get a new MP into parliament. If Peters manages to win the by-election, somebody on the NZ First list will get in, and Ria Bond is next in line. It's a draft article that could do with a bit of expanding. Schwede 66 19:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Ive noticed that there is some discrepancy between many of the NZ election articles and information from the Electoral Commission [ [4]] about past elections. The first point is share of the vote, I noticed that for the 1908 election article says Liberal obtained 48.63% however the EC shows that they won 58.7%. I also noticed for the 1911 election, the electoral commission states liberal 40.1% of the vote while the article shows they only gained 34% of the vote, plus it also gives the total vote share. Therefore I am wondering how this should be corrected?
The second point I noticed is that again for many elections, despite what the article and what the electoral commission states about the number of seats won, the list of candidates in the article shows a different number of seats won per party. Taken the 1902 election as an example, the EC states Liberal won 49 seats, but there appears to be 51 successful liberal candidates.
I did however note, the electoral commission is not always accurate as in the 1914 election it states that 6 Labour group members won that election with no independents that year, however John Payne’s article states he was an independent until the actual Labour Party was formed in 1916.
I also noticed that in the 1919 election, many electorate winners appear as independents, despite the persons article stating they are members of parties with no mention of defections around the time of the election. With these candidates added up, there appears to be a greater number of Reform politicians, even than whats stated by the electoral commission.
Therefore I am enquring what should be done to correct this. Should the electoral commission be followed religiously or do we follow the win of each candidate and count up the party wins from there? Humongous125 ( talk) 14:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
There's a discussion on how or whether to identify the official United/Reform Coalition candidates for the 1931 and 1935 elections at this talk page that other editors might want to contribute to. Schwede 66 23:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Hugo999: You once had the thought of setting up an article with political records, e.g. youngest MP ever and the like. Are you still thinking of doing that? I've just had a look how many elections back somebody got into parliament who's still alive, and got lucky in 1957: Bob Tizard. By jolly, that is a long time ago. I started with the 1954 election and thought that should surely be far enough back, but got across somebody who died in 2013 and who had first been elected in 1947, so maybe I should check earlier elections than 1954 as well. Some kind of record is Father of the House, but we have an article for that one already. Anyway, any thoughts? Schwede 66 10:11, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, still interested in the idea. Had a look for similar lists in other countries, but no luck sofar. Do you know of any? Hugo999 ( talk) 00:08, 19 June 2015 (UTC) PS: Other possibilities are "Youngest MP when elected", "longest-serving MP" and (from Wilson) "MPs who were also MPs in other countries" (from Wilson; i.e. also MP in Australia or Britain)
Re the New Zealand order of precedence article, the article lists only two MPs shown as current MPs Judith Collins & Chester Borrows but there are quite a few current Labour MPs in this category as they were Ministers of the Crown and as far as I know were not Ministers outside Cabinet. Their current MP page on the Parliamentary website has the title “The Hon” eg see Phil Goff. Those titled “Hon” are: Clayton Cosgrove, David Cunliffe, Ruth Dyson , Phil Goff, Annette King, Trevor Mallard, Nanaia Mahuta, Damien O'Connor & David Parker. And Peter Dunne who was in a Labour cabinet (tho he is listed). But some current National MPs who are ministers outside Cabinet are listed eg Paul Goldsmith although he is not shown with the title “Hon” see Paul Goldsmith. PS: David Clendon (Green) has the role of Musterer according to his page on the Parliamentary website! A nicer name for Whip? Hugo999 ( talk) 13:56, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Kiwichris: What is the rationale for ditching the results template from the 13th New Zealand Parliament with this edit (and the 12th Parliament with this edit, and replacing it with a manual results table? This has potentially quite far-reaching implications, and here's why. We used to have manual results tables for the election and nth parliament pages. The trouble was that editors had to know that when they wanted to make a change, they had to update two results tables simultaneously. This didn't work, and auditing the results tables showed that they were, without exception, quite different. Hence we agreed on the template approach. Later on, somebody came along and put our templates up for deletion because each of them had only two transclusions. We argued long and hard, and in the end, it was agreed that we could maintain our template approach. Obviously, with just one transclusion remaining, we are breaking the requirements for using templates, and we are back to where we started. So is it ok to revert your edit, or do you have good reasons why we should abandon the results template approach? Schwede 66 17:17, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
I am seeking clarification on what is "encyclopedic" in relation to politicians. A user has removed information on how Alfred Ngaro voted on a conscience vote and information on a bill created by Ngaro. The claim is the information is not encyclopedic. Incredtent ( talk) 22:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There are some more mayoral election articles appearing; see the mayoral elections in New Zealand category. Kiwichris is working on Wellington articles, and I've written some for Christchurch. I thought it would be useful to now add appropriate navboxes, and I've drafted one in my userspace (which is as yet incomplete, but you'll see what I'm aiming for). If you've got any thoughts on what should be done differently, better, etc, please comment here. Schwede 66 06:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to start a discussion about why we use the tag "Opposition" in reference to opponents to the Liberal Party pre-1909. Over the last year or two doing research here It has become quite clear that they were known more specifically as "Conservatives". While reading up on the Reform Party, the reason that the name Reform itself was chosen by Massey was to provide a more appealing label that rid themselves of the "Conservative" branding given to them by Seddon. It is also somewhat confusing as The Liberals themselves were referred to as "Opposition" by media both pre-1890 and post-1912. Might I suggest we use Conservative instead of Opposition? Kiwichris ( talk) 05:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Is anything being done about including the
Lab-Green MoU in the respective party articles? ... and on a related note, should we consider Lab-Green as a block now, as in
electoral polling and in the
2017 election?
Fan |
talk |
08:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I've been looking into making some articles for opposition shadow cabinets but haven't had much luck finding any good info other than the list of Kirk's listed in David Grant's bio of him. Anyways, I sent an e-mail to the Parliamentary Library asking if they had any information they could give me. The reply contained the recent Labour ones (which already have articles) but also for some National shadow cabinets (McLay, Bolger, Shipley & English). I'm happy to make articles for them, but was wondering how to source them properly. The only time I can see anything like this happening before is on the Chairman of Committees page. Sourcing in this format would suffice? Kiwichris ( talk) 11:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
User Ajf773 for some reason has suggested the proposed merge of two articles I have been working on: Rangitikei District and Rangitikei District Council despite there being many articles for other New Zealand local authorities' councils separately from the article for those local authorities. The user claims it is because a lack of notability despite one or two or so articles a week from the Whanganui Chronicle and the Manawatu Standard. Is the article for Rangitikei District Council deserving of being a separate article from the article for the district it governs? Please chime in on Talk:Rangitikei District Council. JaumeBG (talk) 06:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to Kiwichris, we have a lot of electoral history of New Zealand politicians articles being created. Good on you! We also have a long-standing convention of setting up results templates for by-elections, as they are also used in the respective electorate articles. It would seem logical that we template the results that are used in the electoral history articles, too, or would there be any opposing views? If all's good, shall I help going through the articles and setting up templates? Schwede 66 08:05, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Shall we write the electoral histories of all New Zealand politicians or just the Prime Ministers? J 947 06:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Are we going to create a page for the impending National leadership election on 12/12/16? I've noticed we don't have any pages for National leadership elections, only Labour and Liberal party. I've got the numbers and info for all their leadership contests from 1936 to 1997, but not the more recent ones. Kiwichris ( talk) 04:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC)