Should it be "<Prime Minister name> <Party name> Government" (eg. "Bolger National Government") or "<number> <Party name> Government" (eg. "Fourth Labour Government") or something else? What about coalitions?
I have copied debate on this from the Rogernomics page: -- Helenalex 05:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I support making those articles. They really are needed, and Australia has them for each of their governments. The series by Margaret Clark on political leaders would be a good source, and Ian Grant's Public Lives as well. There will need to be some discussion on how to deal with the coalition governments - I would suggest
I had also been wondering about what to do with coalitions. I think you're right in that we need to sort of treat a series of coalitions led by one party as a government, ie now back to 1999 as the fifth Labour government rather than three or more seperate governments. There is a similar issue for governments before the advent of party politics in about 1890. Before this time 'ministries' were made up of a loose collection of individual MPs temporarily united behind a leader (the Vogel Ministry etc). These could last anywhere from a few days to the best part of a decade. My inclination is to just start the government series in 1890 and deal with the ministries seperately.
In reference to naming, I think we should be consistent one way or the other, ie name them all after their main leader, with a slash in cases of two major leaders, ie the Savage / Fraser government, or all numbered. James Belich numbers all his governments in Paradise Reforged. Personally I'm not sure which way to go. The fourth Labour government is the only one which has a basically invariable name in terms of what people call it, and 'the Lange government' sounds kind of weird. On the other hand in the early 20th century parties changed their names quite a bit and it could get confusing, whereas things like 'the Ward government' are pretty straight forward. Either way it should be consistent and the other name should direct people to the page, ie if we choose numbering than a search for 'Muldoon government' should lead people directly to 'third National government' and vice versa. -- Helenalex 01:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Having looked at the list below, numbering looks like it would work well... the party name changes I'm thinking of must have occurred when the party in question was in opposition. -- Helenalex 05:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I would be more inclined to go for 'the <leader> government' as opposed to the 'fifth National government' idea Brian | (Talk) 03:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Is the above a good title for an article on MPs - youngest = Marilyn Waring?? - longest serving = Rex Mason?? etc etc. I don't think I should call it Trivia on MPs! Hugo999 ( talk) 21:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I have created stubs for most of them, although some not yet done now appear on the navbox at the bottom of these pages as redlinks. The following electorates need a box of past MPs like Wellington Country (at present they are shown as Under Construction): Christchurch (New Zealand electorate), St Albans (New Zealand electorate), Temuka (New Zealand electorate), Wellington (New Zealand electorate), Wellington Suburbs (New Zealand electorate), Westland (New Zealand electorate) Hugo999 ( talk) 09:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
For multimember electorates see Auckland; not by me, rather complicated. I think all the 20th century MPs and back to c1896 now have their own page by now? Also a few 19c MPs with redlinks say on the New Zealand by-elections page though like Isaac Wilson (New Zealand) some were just 2 or 3 years on the back-benches. Quite a few 19c MPs to do still, though probably not needed until the NZ Governments or Parliaments pages in 19c extended, and there a quite a number of pages in 20c to do first! Also as proposed above I would like to start the New Zealand politicians page with details of longest/shortest serving MPs etc; title OK? Hugo999 ( talk) 02:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC) PS; have added obit details to activist Terry Heffernan.
I've started a discussion on the NZ govt working group on the WPNZ talk page, as I've raised questions about adding parameters to that template. Please contribute there if that interests you. Schwede 66 01:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The naming convention for by-elections appears to be electorate by-election, yyyy. That's fine and I've been adding to the list as I'm working myself through the early Canterbury election history. I've now come across the case of two by-elections being held in the same electorate and year. Please see the redlinks on Christchurch Country for 1860. Any suggestions or strong feelings what the eventual article names should be (not that those articles will be written anytime soon, given the scarcity of source material, but we might as well sort the names now). Schwede 66 01:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I have developed a by-election box series
here, based on {{
MMP election box}}
. Please make comments and changes. Is is suitable for use? I think something is needed because contesting list MPs need to be marked, and the currently used {{
election box}}
doesn't do this, and it is not of the same uniform as {{
MMP election box}}
. Please have your input on this topic. Thanks,
Adabow (
talk) 05:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved per discussion below. GTBacchus( talk) 19:47, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/governments →
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics — Can we rename this sub-project to a more appropriate name? This generalises the projects topics, and if a politics paramter is added to the
Template:WPNZ it would fit in more nicely with this sub-project.
Adabow (
talk) 02:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm expanding the article on John Evans Brown, and it would be great if others could chip in and you'll get DYK credits in return. Please see the talk page - there are some good sources listed that can be worked in.
The aim is to submit a triple DYK about Brown and his three brothers in law that were all MPs in the New Zealand Parliament. Two of the articles are new (from today and yesterday), whereas the page on Garrick has been around for a few weeks. My suggested DYK submission is:
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It's probably useful to have a discussion on the scope of the project. I've put the following note on a user's talk page:
I see you are doing a lot of WPNZ assessments at the moment. I don't know whether you've seen that for the last few days, we've had a new politics parameter for this template. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_New_Zealand/politics#Tasks and Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/assessing for a bit more background. But in a nutshell, if it's not too much trouble, it would be great if you could include "|politics=yes|politics-importance=" in the WPNZ code on the relevant talk pages. Of course, it would be great if you could assess the politics-importance while you are at it (which will mostly not differ from the general WPNZ importance), but that might be less important than getting the parameter included in the first place. Thanks for your help. Feel free to enquire with me or Adabow if you have any queries. And thanks for doing all the hard work!
The response came back as follows:
Thanks for the notice on my talk page. I'll review the articles I've assessed so far and add the politics parameter to any relevant ones (a few politicians mostly). Just one question on scope: the executive and legislative arms of the government are clearly indicated in the scope of the task force, but does it also include things such as the judiciary, Acts of Parliament and government-run organisations? So far I've come across articles like Chief Justice of New Zealand and Crown entity, and I wasn't sure if they fell within the scope. I'll probably have a
fewlot more nitpicking questions as I assess more articles – just a heads up :).
So, what shall the scope be? Schwede 66 02:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I've had a quick go at the scope. Please add to it. It also needs wikilinks. Schwede 66 06:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
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There's now a user box on the project page. There is also some code that can be posted on somebody's talk page to invite them. I've had to undo a recent edit, as it resulted in two boxes being created when inviting somebody. The invite code needs further tweaking, as it displays the invited user as a member, rather than the invite text. Schwede 66 22:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm proposing to delete this category, and transfer the pages to Category:New Zealand politics stubs. Please refer to the WikiProject Stub sorting talk page if you have an opinion on this and discuss it there. Schwede 66 18:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the Minister of Finance (New Zealand), I've queried why the list starts with Dillon Bell and ignores the two prior Colonial Treasurers. Either editors don't have this page on their watch list, or they don't know the answer either. I suspect it's just an oversight that the first two guys are missing, and that we have to renumber our finance ministers as a consequence. If somebody in this taskforce knows anything about this, could you please leave your comment on the article's talk page? Schwede 66 05:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Can you please add George Wood (New Zealand) to your watchlist? It would seem that somebody close to that person is editing the article. Schwede 66 06:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Should it be "<Prime Minister name> <Party name> Government" (eg. "Bolger National Government") or "<number> <Party name> Government" (eg. "Fourth Labour Government") or something else? What about coalitions?
I have copied debate on this from the Rogernomics page: -- Helenalex 05:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I support making those articles. They really are needed, and Australia has them for each of their governments. The series by Margaret Clark on political leaders would be a good source, and Ian Grant's Public Lives as well. There will need to be some discussion on how to deal with the coalition governments - I would suggest
I had also been wondering about what to do with coalitions. I think you're right in that we need to sort of treat a series of coalitions led by one party as a government, ie now back to 1999 as the fifth Labour government rather than three or more seperate governments. There is a similar issue for governments before the advent of party politics in about 1890. Before this time 'ministries' were made up of a loose collection of individual MPs temporarily united behind a leader (the Vogel Ministry etc). These could last anywhere from a few days to the best part of a decade. My inclination is to just start the government series in 1890 and deal with the ministries seperately.
In reference to naming, I think we should be consistent one way or the other, ie name them all after their main leader, with a slash in cases of two major leaders, ie the Savage / Fraser government, or all numbered. James Belich numbers all his governments in Paradise Reforged. Personally I'm not sure which way to go. The fourth Labour government is the only one which has a basically invariable name in terms of what people call it, and 'the Lange government' sounds kind of weird. On the other hand in the early 20th century parties changed their names quite a bit and it could get confusing, whereas things like 'the Ward government' are pretty straight forward. Either way it should be consistent and the other name should direct people to the page, ie if we choose numbering than a search for 'Muldoon government' should lead people directly to 'third National government' and vice versa. -- Helenalex 01:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Having looked at the list below, numbering looks like it would work well... the party name changes I'm thinking of must have occurred when the party in question was in opposition. -- Helenalex 05:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I would be more inclined to go for 'the <leader> government' as opposed to the 'fifth National government' idea Brian | (Talk) 03:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Is the above a good title for an article on MPs - youngest = Marilyn Waring?? - longest serving = Rex Mason?? etc etc. I don't think I should call it Trivia on MPs! Hugo999 ( talk) 21:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I have created stubs for most of them, although some not yet done now appear on the navbox at the bottom of these pages as redlinks. The following electorates need a box of past MPs like Wellington Country (at present they are shown as Under Construction): Christchurch (New Zealand electorate), St Albans (New Zealand electorate), Temuka (New Zealand electorate), Wellington (New Zealand electorate), Wellington Suburbs (New Zealand electorate), Westland (New Zealand electorate) Hugo999 ( talk) 09:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
For multimember electorates see Auckland; not by me, rather complicated. I think all the 20th century MPs and back to c1896 now have their own page by now? Also a few 19c MPs with redlinks say on the New Zealand by-elections page though like Isaac Wilson (New Zealand) some were just 2 or 3 years on the back-benches. Quite a few 19c MPs to do still, though probably not needed until the NZ Governments or Parliaments pages in 19c extended, and there a quite a number of pages in 20c to do first! Also as proposed above I would like to start the New Zealand politicians page with details of longest/shortest serving MPs etc; title OK? Hugo999 ( talk) 02:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC) PS; have added obit details to activist Terry Heffernan.
I've started a discussion on the NZ govt working group on the WPNZ talk page, as I've raised questions about adding parameters to that template. Please contribute there if that interests you. Schwede 66 01:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The naming convention for by-elections appears to be electorate by-election, yyyy. That's fine and I've been adding to the list as I'm working myself through the early Canterbury election history. I've now come across the case of two by-elections being held in the same electorate and year. Please see the redlinks on Christchurch Country for 1860. Any suggestions or strong feelings what the eventual article names should be (not that those articles will be written anytime soon, given the scarcity of source material, but we might as well sort the names now). Schwede 66 01:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I have developed a by-election box series
here, based on {{
MMP election box}}
. Please make comments and changes. Is is suitable for use? I think something is needed because contesting list MPs need to be marked, and the currently used {{
election box}}
doesn't do this, and it is not of the same uniform as {{
MMP election box}}
. Please have your input on this topic. Thanks,
Adabow (
talk) 05:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved per discussion below. GTBacchus( talk) 19:47, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/governments →
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics — Can we rename this sub-project to a more appropriate name? This generalises the projects topics, and if a politics paramter is added to the
Template:WPNZ it would fit in more nicely with this sub-project.
Adabow (
talk) 02:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm expanding the article on John Evans Brown, and it would be great if others could chip in and you'll get DYK credits in return. Please see the talk page - there are some good sources listed that can be worked in.
The aim is to submit a triple DYK about Brown and his three brothers in law that were all MPs in the New Zealand Parliament. Two of the articles are new (from today and yesterday), whereas the page on Garrick has been around for a few weeks. My suggested DYK submission is:
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It's probably useful to have a discussion on the scope of the project. I've put the following note on a user's talk page:
I see you are doing a lot of WPNZ assessments at the moment. I don't know whether you've seen that for the last few days, we've had a new politics parameter for this template. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_New_Zealand/politics#Tasks and Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/assessing for a bit more background. But in a nutshell, if it's not too much trouble, it would be great if you could include "|politics=yes|politics-importance=" in the WPNZ code on the relevant talk pages. Of course, it would be great if you could assess the politics-importance while you are at it (which will mostly not differ from the general WPNZ importance), but that might be less important than getting the parameter included in the first place. Thanks for your help. Feel free to enquire with me or Adabow if you have any queries. And thanks for doing all the hard work!
The response came back as follows:
Thanks for the notice on my talk page. I'll review the articles I've assessed so far and add the politics parameter to any relevant ones (a few politicians mostly). Just one question on scope: the executive and legislative arms of the government are clearly indicated in the scope of the task force, but does it also include things such as the judiciary, Acts of Parliament and government-run organisations? So far I've come across articles like Chief Justice of New Zealand and Crown entity, and I wasn't sure if they fell within the scope. I'll probably have a
fewlot more nitpicking questions as I assess more articles – just a heads up :).
So, what shall the scope be? Schwede 66 02:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I've had a quick go at the scope. Please add to it. It also needs wikilinks. Schwede 66 06:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
![]() | Schwede 66 wants you to join WikiProject NZ politics. |
![]() |
There's now a user box on the project page. There is also some code that can be posted on somebody's talk page to invite them. I've had to undo a recent edit, as it resulted in two boxes being created when inviting somebody. The invite code needs further tweaking, as it displays the invited user as a member, rather than the invite text. Schwede 66 22:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm proposing to delete this category, and transfer the pages to Category:New Zealand politics stubs. Please refer to the WikiProject Stub sorting talk page if you have an opinion on this and discuss it there. Schwede 66 18:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the Minister of Finance (New Zealand), I've queried why the list starts with Dillon Bell and ignores the two prior Colonial Treasurers. Either editors don't have this page on their watch list, or they don't know the answer either. I suspect it's just an oversight that the first two guys are missing, and that we have to renumber our finance ministers as a consequence. If somebody in this taskforce knows anything about this, could you please leave your comment on the article's talk page? Schwede 66 05:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Can you please add George Wood (New Zealand) to your watchlist? It would seem that somebody close to that person is editing the article. Schwede 66 06:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)