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Hey, so again I've been really inundated with schoolwork… if someone could find the time to update me on the major happenings here since Mark Shepherd left, that would be great. I've tried to read through this talk page, but it gets a little overwhelming, especially if you haven't been following things as they progress. Larry V ( talk | contribs) 06:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey Larry,
Glad to hear from you. We've eased up the storm here, and we are moving on into new ideas and such. Currently, the project is quiet, but if you have any ideas, bring it to our attention. It's great to discuss things in detail! -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 21:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Many different templates are still being used. Although the NYCS templates are the main ones, there are some that are being used, becoming redundant. If you'd like, post an opinion above to help reach a consensus on what to do. -- 69.112.104.162 00:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
First, no one really talked about it here, but someone added colors to the navbox, but no one objected. Me and PCH made some corrections. Flamurai used colors from Template:NYCS color. I actually thought it was fine, because no one objected to use colors in the navbox. I myself don't see why not to. Besides, the past is all behind us, and since we are moving on to new ideas, don't be afraid to implement new options for the project. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Good explanation, Larry, I never knew people would think about it that way. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 17:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the templates business, I think the best idea would be to use the {{NYCS|_______}} format and keep it separate from {{NYCS service}}. We don't want to create an all-encompassing mega-template that will become difficult to maintain. — Larry V ( talk | contribs) 19:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Using NYCS service has all the proper parameters, including a parameter for Subst:NYCS time. I'm just trying to make it easier on us. I also think that with a universal template like this, we don't need all of the other service templates. I think that a universal template works better, and since Cyde Weys brought it up originally, it seems like a good idea. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe, but I'd also like to create a universal template for the subway lines. I created a template called {{ NYCS line}}, currently sitting unused, but I'd like to reconfigure it. We need to cut down on the templates (mostly services), and {{ NYCS service}} comes in here. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure really (I need to read on parserfunctions), but I just created it until I could get help. But if we can create a switch statement for it or whatnot, then that'd be great. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
The {{ NYCS service}} is for the services (respectively) and is already being used, and work will need to be done on {{ NYCS line}} for line usage, and the {{ NYCS}} would be for backup purposes (to be honest, I don't really know what I mean by that). Besides, that {{ Infobox NYCS}} is a killer whe it comes to parserfunctions. One bad edit, and hundreds of the articles in the main namespace are screwed up at once. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll fill you in with the parameters for {{ NYCS service}} and {{ NYCS line}} first thing in the morning, the list will be a little wordy. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Because the infobox is used on so many articles, it should be protected or semi-protected to prevent vandalism. Also, an optional parameter for the infobox should be a closed date, to let people know when the station closed. A lot of closed station articles use a standard infobox, not the NYCS-coded one. And as of this edit, its my birthday.
Yes, I know I don't have to give you a description of the parameters, but I will anyway, to sum things up, and to make sure we're on the right page. Anyway, talk to ya later, -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
For {{ NYCS service}}, there are three parameters:
And since this template could replace the other service template if a consensus is reached, then templates like {{ NYCS time}} would be deleted.
Now, here's my idea for {{ NYCS line}}:
This template could be a giant switch template. If we type {{NYCS line|Sixth}}, we would get B (123a) D F V (123). Some would render simple output ({{NYCS line|Canarsie}} would render L) and some would render fairly verbose output, such as inputting {{NYCS line|Times Square}} would render 1 2 3 (1234) 7 <7> (1a2a3c) A C (1234) E N Q R (1234) S (1234) W (123a). An invalid input would not render anything. If possible, we could add a brief note to describe the syntaxes of each template. That said, hope this helps. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 10:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey,
I think I was a little unclear at first, so let me explain again for purposes of clarity, at least for the {{ NYCS service}} template:
As for the {{ NYCS line}} template, I will work on implememting the switch method at my sandbox subpage. If you'd like to help, feel free. Thanks. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, in this case, I'll just use {{ NYCS service}} and have it replace the other templates.-- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll have the line template nominated for deletion. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated {{ NYCS line}} for deletion. I believe that after Larry's POV, the template would be too much a handful, and therefore unnecessary. Larry does agree using {{ NYCS service}}, since the parameters wouldn't create stress or upheaval. I suggest clicking through {{ NYCS line}} to vote. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
So Larry, you want me to replace the other templates yet, with the new syntax being {{NYCS service|Foo|Foo|Foo}} and replaces {{NYCS Foo}}. possibly replacing {{Subst:NYCS time|Foo}}? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I had three parameters for a reason. The two non-optional parameters were there for a reason. In some cases we can create shuttle services (example: {{NYCS service|S - 42nd Street Shuttle|S}} renders
S. In some cases we can create diamond services (example: {{NYCS service|7|<7>}} renders
<7>. That's why I had two parameters with the optional third parameter. I know the second parameter is redundant, but because the diamond and shuttle services will be needed. We can't create {{NYCS service|<6>}} it will render a red link. Sorry, but I will have to reinstate the previous version for the reason(s) I've given above. And as for the TFD for NYCS line, it should end on Saturday (usually TFD's end one week after; it might end early). --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 16:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I see what you are trying to do, I think. But can you clarify what you did to the parameters, just so I can get an idea of what you did? --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 16:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC) Never mind, I get it. --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 16:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
(Again, yes I know, I'm sorry.) I have to take issue with a few of the "station complex" articles that have been created. Specifically Jackson Heights-74th Street-Roosevelt Avenue (New York City Subway), but there are certainly others that I have not seen. I know there was some consensus to merge some of the articles, but this is ridiculous. "Jackson Heights-74th Street-Roosevelt Avenue"? — Larry V ( talk | contribs) 20:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
My fault. This name was chosen because it was on the printed/PDF map (see that thing that looks like a bubble that shows the bus and rail connections). I prefer using the map's names for several reasons.
Without heavy use of the map, keeping up-to-date would be a nightmare. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I have to disagree:
Yes, the MTA will change the names if necessary. But they can't cover every aspect of their system. I'm telling you, station signage is the least of their worries. The MTA has to deal with fare hikes, budget cuts, and improving their system. They're extending the G to Church Avenue starting in Spring. They're finishing up work on the new South Ferry terminal. They're making hundreds of stations ADA-compliant. They're putting in effect the 7 line extension to the Jacob Javits Center.
The point is, maybe the MTA wants to change signage, but things sometimes get the short end of the stick, and the fact of the matter is: they just don't have the time for tedious issues. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Encyclopedia's content should stay up-to-date as possible. Station signage reflects the past.
I'm perfectly clear with what you're trying to say, Larry. Yes, the title should most likely include the most up-to-date names, which is on the map. But we can list an alternative as well. For example, Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall was formerly known as Brooklyn Bridge. The City Hall prefix was added when the loop station closed. If the loop siation ever reopens, the prefix would be removed. I understand, but for purposes of clarity, we can include the former in articles as an alternative, but current in beginning of first sentence and title. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. What do you mean by "Don't use the bubbles"?
Wow, I feel terrible bringing up so many issues at the same time, but I feel obligated to. I don't like the new blue accessibility icon. For one thing, it's somewhat blocky and unattractive. For another, it doesn't match up with what most other rapid transit articles use, which is Template:Access icon. I think consistency is important in this regard. What benefit does the blue icon bring over the other one? — Larry V ( talk | contribs) 21:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: New York Time is 5 hours offset from WP time. My birthday is really is in 15 minutes....
Flamurai said the same thing. The pixel strokes were 1 px, or very close. The blue one stands out, but it could undergo some fixing up. Why don't we create an icon with a blue on transparent with a recatngular border to replace the white on blue? Remember, it doesn't hurt to be creative. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't be worried about opposing ideas. We all have different opinions, and that's fine. That's what consensus' for: to discuss opinions and make an agreement. But I only used the blue icon because the MTA table used it. But if necessary, we'll just use the black-on-transparent one, as the blue ADA icon was just an excuse because the MTA uses it on most of their nomenclature (example: R142 strip maps, service tables, etc.). -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Just trying to "officialize" the project, as to increase popularity of our work. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
It'd be funny if one got an A++ on a research paper of the New York City Subway system. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 09:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, guys, remember a past discussion on images linking to the subway service articles? Well, good news! I found the proper syntax for this. Here's the syntax:
[[File:NYCS-bull-trans-5.svg|20px|link=5 (New York City Subway service)]]
It renders
. Now click the link. Thoughts? --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 14:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
My art teacher is supposed to make me a copy of Adobe Illustrator, so when I go back to school and he gives me a copy, I'll make special bullets (An outline around the letter/number for it's right color). Hope that helps. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
This has problems with accessibility; see the discussion on Template talk:Click. -- NE2 14:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I know, but that is why I'll create special bullets for this purpose. I'll do that after new year's. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 15:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Click the subway bullet. Go ahead, click it. After you click it, it links to the subway page. The bullet is still seen on the subway service page, and you can view the information after clicking it there. I will go ahead and implement this with the three shuttle pages. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added the bullets. See the service information for S and S. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: I am not using click, i'm using click-inline. And what's a css-browser? And can there be a way for it to work, besides breaking the accessibility so it can work on all browsers? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 17:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Click-inline uses click. Cascading Style Sheets is a way of formatting text that not all browsers support. No, there is no way to make it work. -- NE2 20:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I've decided not to use click, for the reasons given above. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
This only peripherally relates to this project, but members might be interested anyway; I've created list of streetcar lines in Queens. I've also been working on Long Island Rail Road and many of its related articles, including the companies that became part of the subway. -- NE2 14:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I also wrote list of streetcar lines in Brooklyn. -- NE2 18:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
"Sorry, but icon under name seems better for porpuses [sic] of notability" … Imdanumber1, what exactly do you mean by this? How does having {{ Access icon}} underneath the station name make it more notable? Larry V ( talk | contribs) 07:39, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Having it after the text just doesn't seem right to me, because having the icon after the text will tend to make it lost in the table. If we used the blue icon, it wouldn't matter where it went because of its color. The text is just nearly the same color as the black on transparent icon. Having it after the text would just cause more confusion. Underneath the text makes moree sense since people won't literally have to "search" for the icon; they just look underneath the station name and there it is. That's why I put the icon under the station name.
As for putting numbers before letters, I have no objection to that. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 07:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I hope by the end of the year I will have the tables on all of the subway lines, then I will do a final check on them to make sure that they all have the same form and such. As for the Blue icon, I will not use that. The black on transparent icon will be used, and...I'll put the icon after the name...if it helps. Merry Christmas!!! -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
style="text-align: left;"
must be used; align="left"
doesn't work. I don't see this as a problem for Web accessibility, because it is not imperative that the content is left-aligned. If someone using a non-CSS browser sees the stations as center-aligned… well, that's not the worst thing in the world.
Pacific Coast Highway, it'd be great if you could tell me about any significant rendering errors in Opera.NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!! What is this??? Why have we rearranged the format again? I changed the table format for a reason! To provide a consistent format for all services. And now we go with this???
Look, I know we shouldn't do everything the MTA table does, but their table should set an example of how our table should be, not that as what I see at 7!!! No way! I disapprove of that. I will be putting the table BACK to the way it was, with the icons on the far left, as well as putting the station name after the icons, as well as putting the ADA icon underneath the station name, teh transfers with the letters bebore the numbers, and putting the connections back without the branches and main lines. See here? This is how the table should be arranged, and I don't want to hear, "We shouldn't imitate everything the MTA does", because the fact of the matter is, we darn well should. They are setting an example of how our work should be displayed to readers, not like that table seen before the change. Therefore, I will be putting the seven line table back to the way it was, kapish??? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 00:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Now you're going too far, PCH. You choose to report me to WP:AIV for no reason??? All I said was that we should follow the MTA's standard. They are setting an example of how our work should be, and yet, we choose to follow our own ideas? I don't think so. If we are going to combine the previous trashy table with the new table, I'm not up for it. And you dare say I'm "irking" the nerves of others? NOT! Y'all are! I guess that's why Marc Shepherd left, cause WP's shit got to him, and made him retire. And don't "experiment" on the service articles, experiment in the sandbox! That's what it's for. I am going on Wikibreak now because I am stressed out enough already!!! Larry had to bring up every single issue that bothered him, while everything else was fine, and now we are proposing some other stupidness that I just see unreasonable! Everyone here fails to see what the intent of my actions are. You want to know what the intent of my actions are? To improve the encyclopedia, that's what! And all of Wikipedia's rules and damn policies and administrators are making me sick and tired and stressed out. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Goodbye until January!
Guys, I'd really suggest that everybody just cool off for a bit. The personal attacks really aren't doing anything other than driving up the tension level. Everyone here is doing a really great job contributing to the NYCS Wikiproject. I've been quite impressed by the hard work of all of you. Let's try to resolve our disputes amicably and not resort to ad hominem attacks. As I said, I think you're all doing a really nice job. alphachimp. 06:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The icon needs to come on the left. It's visually darker than the text, therefore your eye is immediately drawn to it, so putting it in the middle actually deemphasizes the station name. When I flip to your test table, Larry, my eye goes right to the column of icons. Then it goes right-to-left, meaning the last thing I read is the station name. – flamurai ( t) 21:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The ADA Icon row can come after the name, which I agree with. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 00:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
scope
elements, but my reader doesn't like them. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like OS X's reader is very advanced. I'll try
JAWS for Windows to see how it works out there.
Larry V (
talk |
contribs) 06:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)Okay, this is sort of getting annoying. Parallels Desktop beta is not cooperating with me, so the JAWS testing will have to wait. So I'll add some finishing touches to User:Larry V/Subway test table, with the icons first, and submit it as a final proposal. The best thing to do right now would probably be to add some sort of explanation about the positioning of the "Station" column—a sort of heads-up to people using screen readers. Larry V ( talk | contribs) 07:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hold up, Larry, isn't there some type of wiki code we can use so that we can still see the icon first, but visual-impaired people can hear the icon info after the name. I don't know if the no wiki syntax or include only things would work, but whatever. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 01:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
<nowiki>
would work, because it would definitely interfere with the table. <includeonly>
is only for templates, so that's out. There may be something out there, but I don't have great screen reader software to try it out with, so it'll be a problem. Until I figure that out, I'll just stick with the scope
elements and hope that works for most people. On a related note, a certain
Takuma Ishizeki has been making edits to various service articles (e.g.,
A (New York City Subway service),
B (New York City Subway service). Some of these edits are somewhat dubious in the light of our standards (for example, using non-referenced station names, strange line names ["IND Concourse-6th Avenue Line"?]). I was about to fix these mistakes, but I realized that they were mostly to old-style tables which should be getting an overhaul soon. If anyone finds him messing with any new tables, feel free to revert [with proper edit summaries, of course].
Larry V (
talk |
contribs) 06:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)summary
help augment this, but not to the degree that you're suggesting. Unfortunately, HTML isn't a programming language, where we could have an if… else
construct for these types of things. On second thought, maybe it's better that way; I can only imagine what ignorant Web designers would do with programming capabilities.
Larry V (
talk |
contribs) 04:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Okay, I think I got a little too far. I am just going to fess up, and come out clean and put an end to this feud. I want to apologize to the WikiProject for my behavior. I see that because of my new proposal for the table I don't want any changes done to it. And I still don't want any changes done to it, but if I get outvoted, I'll have to deal with it, because that's how consensus works. We have a discussion to explain our ideas and opinions. Failure for me to express my ideas and opinions in a civil manner resulted in where we are now; fighting and everyone getting hyped up. So, first, I want to apologize to PCH for making personal attacks, and I want to apologize to Larry for failing to assume good faith in his part. I want to continue to play a part in this WikiProject, and I hope everyone can seek to forgive my behavior.
Now, I'd like to explain my opinion for the format that Larry has made:
So, as per the above, the table headers should be the SSIs, followed by the station names, the ADA icon column, then subway transfers and connections.
That said, those are my opinions, and I'm sorry if I made others uncomfortable/offended, and I hope we can still work together, and I hope I can still play a valuable part of the team. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 06:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
No, Larry, it's not, "all right", because yes, I'm definitely hard-headed sometimes, and I don't always listen. Me failing to assume good faith on your part resulted in this mess. It's better safe than sorry, and I apologize for my disorderly behavior. From now on, I will try to aggume good faith on other's partaking and make a suggestion instead of slurs. I don't really have a problem with the table, and I'll discuss my opinions for it. For now, however, I need some sleep. Talk to ya later. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 07:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone here have a list of which of the ex-BMT streetcar lines were operated by each company:
Thank you for any help. -- NE2 19:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it make sense to expand this project to include all MTA properties, or at least all but the LIRR and Metro-North? The buses (formerly streetcars) and subway share some common history, and even the LIRR relates to both. -- NE2 03:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
So, Pacific Coast Highway, as per an expansion to the project's scope, should the project be renamed Wikipedia:WikiProject Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York)? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Seems like quite an ambitious undertaking, but I don't see why it can't work. Let's clarify here: This'll cover everything under MTA, including LIRR and Metro-North? Larry V ( talk | contribs) 06:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
How about WikiProject New York City transit? There were a few streetcar lines that stopped running without an MTA takeover, which would be excluded from WP:MTA. And ferries are a good idea, since those were usually closely linked to the rail lines. -- NE2 06:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
NYC transit pretty means the same thing as NYC subway, so that would probably not be the best name to rename our project. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 06:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I would strongly suggest not naming it New York City Transit. It's a pretty typical expression around New York City for the whole MTA, but it's also synonymous (at least among NYCT employees) with just NYC Buses and Subways. (Most call it "Transit".) I'm a little fearful that the name Imdanumber1 is suggesting is too long. I'm not sure about yours, Larry...it might be a compromise solution. Are we willing to expand to cover the PATH Train too? alphachimp. 08:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, we've been covering a lot of MTA-related work in the past, right? I don't see why we can't rename the project Wikipedia:WikiProject MTA (New York). Let's see, we've experience with the MTA, right? We have a lot of sources to provide us with the information. nycsubway.org and station reporter are excellent resources. LIRRhistory as well, for Long Island Rail Road. We've done a great job with the NYC subway; it's time we expand to the rest of the MTA. -_ Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 19:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I did like "transportation" better, but I figured that perhaps "transport" would be "more correct", since the article on the subject is " public transport". Note how I've referred to "public transportation" everywhere except in my proposed name. :-) So is it same to assume that we should go with "WikiProject New York City Public Transportation"? Larry V ( talk | contribs) 19:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
There will still have to be a separate one for anything that isn't train-related, since only the rail-related articles have Template:TrainsWikiProject. Larry V ( talk | contribs) 03:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure we should be including the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority... sure, it's part of the MTA, but it would be better suited to a NYC-area roads project. There's certainly enough for one, especially with Robert Moses, and it's only very loosely connected to the public transportation. -- NE2 03:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
If anyone else is interested in the history of the Brooklyn streetcars, I've posted a list from an 1874 Brooklyn street directory at the bottom of Talk:List of streetcar lines in Brooklyn. -- NE2 02:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I just recently discovered this template. I see it is for the article on the 4 line, however, it is currently being unused. I hope that with some revamping, it's possible that this template, as well as others, can be reinstated. I also found some for the 2, 3 and 1. Any opinions on what to do with them? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 08:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe we could use these templates and put each line into the station's page they refer to. Rbb l181 05:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I think they're actually for the station articles, not the subway service articles. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with not using it; we already have navigation through previous and next station links and through the link to the service. Similar boxes have been deleted for the state highways of most states for the same reasons. -- NE2 20:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey guys, great with the move. We're definitely ready to move on to to brand new areas, so let's get started! NE2, I see that you've been involved with the project since the last couple of weeks, would you like to add your name to the list and get involved? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 02:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I've written articles for six of the former north-south streetcar lines in Manhattan: Category:Streetcars in Manhattan. I'm considering writing one on the Fifth Avenue Line too, the Fifth Avenue Coach Company's first bus line, started in 1886; it might be best to redirect to the company (which operated other lines later) for now though. What do you think - are long-lasting bus routes notable enough for their own article? -- NE2 03:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hey, so again I've been really inundated with schoolwork… if someone could find the time to update me on the major happenings here since Mark Shepherd left, that would be great. I've tried to read through this talk page, but it gets a little overwhelming, especially if you haven't been following things as they progress. Larry V ( talk | contribs) 06:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey Larry,
Glad to hear from you. We've eased up the storm here, and we are moving on into new ideas and such. Currently, the project is quiet, but if you have any ideas, bring it to our attention. It's great to discuss things in detail! -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 21:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Many different templates are still being used. Although the NYCS templates are the main ones, there are some that are being used, becoming redundant. If you'd like, post an opinion above to help reach a consensus on what to do. -- 69.112.104.162 00:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
First, no one really talked about it here, but someone added colors to the navbox, but no one objected. Me and PCH made some corrections. Flamurai used colors from Template:NYCS color. I actually thought it was fine, because no one objected to use colors in the navbox. I myself don't see why not to. Besides, the past is all behind us, and since we are moving on to new ideas, don't be afraid to implement new options for the project. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Good explanation, Larry, I never knew people would think about it that way. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 17:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the templates business, I think the best idea would be to use the {{NYCS|_______}} format and keep it separate from {{NYCS service}}. We don't want to create an all-encompassing mega-template that will become difficult to maintain. — Larry V ( talk | contribs) 19:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Using NYCS service has all the proper parameters, including a parameter for Subst:NYCS time. I'm just trying to make it easier on us. I also think that with a universal template like this, we don't need all of the other service templates. I think that a universal template works better, and since Cyde Weys brought it up originally, it seems like a good idea. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe, but I'd also like to create a universal template for the subway lines. I created a template called {{ NYCS line}}, currently sitting unused, but I'd like to reconfigure it. We need to cut down on the templates (mostly services), and {{ NYCS service}} comes in here. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure really (I need to read on parserfunctions), but I just created it until I could get help. But if we can create a switch statement for it or whatnot, then that'd be great. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
The {{ NYCS service}} is for the services (respectively) and is already being used, and work will need to be done on {{ NYCS line}} for line usage, and the {{ NYCS}} would be for backup purposes (to be honest, I don't really know what I mean by that). Besides, that {{ Infobox NYCS}} is a killer whe it comes to parserfunctions. One bad edit, and hundreds of the articles in the main namespace are screwed up at once. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll fill you in with the parameters for {{ NYCS service}} and {{ NYCS line}} first thing in the morning, the list will be a little wordy. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Because the infobox is used on so many articles, it should be protected or semi-protected to prevent vandalism. Also, an optional parameter for the infobox should be a closed date, to let people know when the station closed. A lot of closed station articles use a standard infobox, not the NYCS-coded one. And as of this edit, its my birthday.
Yes, I know I don't have to give you a description of the parameters, but I will anyway, to sum things up, and to make sure we're on the right page. Anyway, talk to ya later, -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
For {{ NYCS service}}, there are three parameters:
And since this template could replace the other service template if a consensus is reached, then templates like {{ NYCS time}} would be deleted.
Now, here's my idea for {{ NYCS line}}:
This template could be a giant switch template. If we type {{NYCS line|Sixth}}, we would get B (123a) D F V (123). Some would render simple output ({{NYCS line|Canarsie}} would render L) and some would render fairly verbose output, such as inputting {{NYCS line|Times Square}} would render 1 2 3 (1234) 7 <7> (1a2a3c) A C (1234) E N Q R (1234) S (1234) W (123a). An invalid input would not render anything. If possible, we could add a brief note to describe the syntaxes of each template. That said, hope this helps. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 10:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey,
I think I was a little unclear at first, so let me explain again for purposes of clarity, at least for the {{ NYCS service}} template:
As for the {{ NYCS line}} template, I will work on implememting the switch method at my sandbox subpage. If you'd like to help, feel free. Thanks. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, in this case, I'll just use {{ NYCS service}} and have it replace the other templates.-- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll have the line template nominated for deletion. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated {{ NYCS line}} for deletion. I believe that after Larry's POV, the template would be too much a handful, and therefore unnecessary. Larry does agree using {{ NYCS service}}, since the parameters wouldn't create stress or upheaval. I suggest clicking through {{ NYCS line}} to vote. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
So Larry, you want me to replace the other templates yet, with the new syntax being {{NYCS service|Foo|Foo|Foo}} and replaces {{NYCS Foo}}. possibly replacing {{Subst:NYCS time|Foo}}? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I had three parameters for a reason. The two non-optional parameters were there for a reason. In some cases we can create shuttle services (example: {{NYCS service|S - 42nd Street Shuttle|S}} renders
S. In some cases we can create diamond services (example: {{NYCS service|7|<7>}} renders
<7>. That's why I had two parameters with the optional third parameter. I know the second parameter is redundant, but because the diamond and shuttle services will be needed. We can't create {{NYCS service|<6>}} it will render a red link. Sorry, but I will have to reinstate the previous version for the reason(s) I've given above. And as for the TFD for NYCS line, it should end on Saturday (usually TFD's end one week after; it might end early). --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 16:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I see what you are trying to do, I think. But can you clarify what you did to the parameters, just so I can get an idea of what you did? --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 16:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC) Never mind, I get it. --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 16:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
(Again, yes I know, I'm sorry.) I have to take issue with a few of the "station complex" articles that have been created. Specifically Jackson Heights-74th Street-Roosevelt Avenue (New York City Subway), but there are certainly others that I have not seen. I know there was some consensus to merge some of the articles, but this is ridiculous. "Jackson Heights-74th Street-Roosevelt Avenue"? — Larry V ( talk | contribs) 20:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
My fault. This name was chosen because it was on the printed/PDF map (see that thing that looks like a bubble that shows the bus and rail connections). I prefer using the map's names for several reasons.
Without heavy use of the map, keeping up-to-date would be a nightmare. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I have to disagree:
Yes, the MTA will change the names if necessary. But they can't cover every aspect of their system. I'm telling you, station signage is the least of their worries. The MTA has to deal with fare hikes, budget cuts, and improving their system. They're extending the G to Church Avenue starting in Spring. They're finishing up work on the new South Ferry terminal. They're making hundreds of stations ADA-compliant. They're putting in effect the 7 line extension to the Jacob Javits Center.
The point is, maybe the MTA wants to change signage, but things sometimes get the short end of the stick, and the fact of the matter is: they just don't have the time for tedious issues. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Encyclopedia's content should stay up-to-date as possible. Station signage reflects the past.
I'm perfectly clear with what you're trying to say, Larry. Yes, the title should most likely include the most up-to-date names, which is on the map. But we can list an alternative as well. For example, Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall was formerly known as Brooklyn Bridge. The City Hall prefix was added when the loop station closed. If the loop siation ever reopens, the prefix would be removed. I understand, but for purposes of clarity, we can include the former in articles as an alternative, but current in beginning of first sentence and title. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. What do you mean by "Don't use the bubbles"?
Wow, I feel terrible bringing up so many issues at the same time, but I feel obligated to. I don't like the new blue accessibility icon. For one thing, it's somewhat blocky and unattractive. For another, it doesn't match up with what most other rapid transit articles use, which is Template:Access icon. I think consistency is important in this regard. What benefit does the blue icon bring over the other one? — Larry V ( talk | contribs) 21:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: New York Time is 5 hours offset from WP time. My birthday is really is in 15 minutes....
Flamurai said the same thing. The pixel strokes were 1 px, or very close. The blue one stands out, but it could undergo some fixing up. Why don't we create an icon with a blue on transparent with a recatngular border to replace the white on blue? Remember, it doesn't hurt to be creative. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 04:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't be worried about opposing ideas. We all have different opinions, and that's fine. That's what consensus' for: to discuss opinions and make an agreement. But I only used the blue icon because the MTA table used it. But if necessary, we'll just use the black-on-transparent one, as the blue ADA icon was just an excuse because the MTA uses it on most of their nomenclature (example: R142 strip maps, service tables, etc.). -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Just trying to "officialize" the project, as to increase popularity of our work. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
It'd be funny if one got an A++ on a research paper of the New York City Subway system. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 09:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, guys, remember a past discussion on images linking to the subway service articles? Well, good news! I found the proper syntax for this. Here's the syntax:
[[File:NYCS-bull-trans-5.svg|20px|link=5 (New York City Subway service)]]
It renders
. Now click the link. Thoughts? --
Imdanumber1 (
Talk |
contribs) 14:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
My art teacher is supposed to make me a copy of Adobe Illustrator, so when I go back to school and he gives me a copy, I'll make special bullets (An outline around the letter/number for it's right color). Hope that helps. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
This has problems with accessibility; see the discussion on Template talk:Click. -- NE2 14:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I know, but that is why I'll create special bullets for this purpose. I'll do that after new year's. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 15:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Click the subway bullet. Go ahead, click it. After you click it, it links to the subway page. The bullet is still seen on the subway service page, and you can view the information after clicking it there. I will go ahead and implement this with the three shuttle pages. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added the bullets. See the service information for S and S. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: I am not using click, i'm using click-inline. And what's a css-browser? And can there be a way for it to work, besides breaking the accessibility so it can work on all browsers? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 17:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Click-inline uses click. Cascading Style Sheets is a way of formatting text that not all browsers support. No, there is no way to make it work. -- NE2 20:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I've decided not to use click, for the reasons given above. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
This only peripherally relates to this project, but members might be interested anyway; I've created list of streetcar lines in Queens. I've also been working on Long Island Rail Road and many of its related articles, including the companies that became part of the subway. -- NE2 14:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I also wrote list of streetcar lines in Brooklyn. -- NE2 18:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
"Sorry, but icon under name seems better for porpuses [sic] of notability" … Imdanumber1, what exactly do you mean by this? How does having {{ Access icon}} underneath the station name make it more notable? Larry V ( talk | contribs) 07:39, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Having it after the text just doesn't seem right to me, because having the icon after the text will tend to make it lost in the table. If we used the blue icon, it wouldn't matter where it went because of its color. The text is just nearly the same color as the black on transparent icon. Having it after the text would just cause more confusion. Underneath the text makes moree sense since people won't literally have to "search" for the icon; they just look underneath the station name and there it is. That's why I put the icon under the station name.
As for putting numbers before letters, I have no objection to that. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 07:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I hope by the end of the year I will have the tables on all of the subway lines, then I will do a final check on them to make sure that they all have the same form and such. As for the Blue icon, I will not use that. The black on transparent icon will be used, and...I'll put the icon after the name...if it helps. Merry Christmas!!! -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
style="text-align: left;"
must be used; align="left"
doesn't work. I don't see this as a problem for Web accessibility, because it is not imperative that the content is left-aligned. If someone using a non-CSS browser sees the stations as center-aligned… well, that's not the worst thing in the world.
Pacific Coast Highway, it'd be great if you could tell me about any significant rendering errors in Opera.NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!! What is this??? Why have we rearranged the format again? I changed the table format for a reason! To provide a consistent format for all services. And now we go with this???
Look, I know we shouldn't do everything the MTA table does, but their table should set an example of how our table should be, not that as what I see at 7!!! No way! I disapprove of that. I will be putting the table BACK to the way it was, with the icons on the far left, as well as putting the station name after the icons, as well as putting the ADA icon underneath the station name, teh transfers with the letters bebore the numbers, and putting the connections back without the branches and main lines. See here? This is how the table should be arranged, and I don't want to hear, "We shouldn't imitate everything the MTA does", because the fact of the matter is, we darn well should. They are setting an example of how our work should be displayed to readers, not like that table seen before the change. Therefore, I will be putting the seven line table back to the way it was, kapish??? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 00:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Now you're going too far, PCH. You choose to report me to WP:AIV for no reason??? All I said was that we should follow the MTA's standard. They are setting an example of how our work should be, and yet, we choose to follow our own ideas? I don't think so. If we are going to combine the previous trashy table with the new table, I'm not up for it. And you dare say I'm "irking" the nerves of others? NOT! Y'all are! I guess that's why Marc Shepherd left, cause WP's shit got to him, and made him retire. And don't "experiment" on the service articles, experiment in the sandbox! That's what it's for. I am going on Wikibreak now because I am stressed out enough already!!! Larry had to bring up every single issue that bothered him, while everything else was fine, and now we are proposing some other stupidness that I just see unreasonable! Everyone here fails to see what the intent of my actions are. You want to know what the intent of my actions are? To improve the encyclopedia, that's what! And all of Wikipedia's rules and damn policies and administrators are making me sick and tired and stressed out. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Goodbye until January!
Guys, I'd really suggest that everybody just cool off for a bit. The personal attacks really aren't doing anything other than driving up the tension level. Everyone here is doing a really great job contributing to the NYCS Wikiproject. I've been quite impressed by the hard work of all of you. Let's try to resolve our disputes amicably and not resort to ad hominem attacks. As I said, I think you're all doing a really nice job. alphachimp. 06:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The icon needs to come on the left. It's visually darker than the text, therefore your eye is immediately drawn to it, so putting it in the middle actually deemphasizes the station name. When I flip to your test table, Larry, my eye goes right to the column of icons. Then it goes right-to-left, meaning the last thing I read is the station name. – flamurai ( t) 21:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The ADA Icon row can come after the name, which I agree with. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 00:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
scope
elements, but my reader doesn't like them. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like OS X's reader is very advanced. I'll try
JAWS for Windows to see how it works out there.
Larry V (
talk |
contribs) 06:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)Okay, this is sort of getting annoying. Parallels Desktop beta is not cooperating with me, so the JAWS testing will have to wait. So I'll add some finishing touches to User:Larry V/Subway test table, with the icons first, and submit it as a final proposal. The best thing to do right now would probably be to add some sort of explanation about the positioning of the "Station" column—a sort of heads-up to people using screen readers. Larry V ( talk | contribs) 07:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hold up, Larry, isn't there some type of wiki code we can use so that we can still see the icon first, but visual-impaired people can hear the icon info after the name. I don't know if the no wiki syntax or include only things would work, but whatever. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 01:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
<nowiki>
would work, because it would definitely interfere with the table. <includeonly>
is only for templates, so that's out. There may be something out there, but I don't have great screen reader software to try it out with, so it'll be a problem. Until I figure that out, I'll just stick with the scope
elements and hope that works for most people. On a related note, a certain
Takuma Ishizeki has been making edits to various service articles (e.g.,
A (New York City Subway service),
B (New York City Subway service). Some of these edits are somewhat dubious in the light of our standards (for example, using non-referenced station names, strange line names ["IND Concourse-6th Avenue Line"?]). I was about to fix these mistakes, but I realized that they were mostly to old-style tables which should be getting an overhaul soon. If anyone finds him messing with any new tables, feel free to revert [with proper edit summaries, of course].
Larry V (
talk |
contribs) 06:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)summary
help augment this, but not to the degree that you're suggesting. Unfortunately, HTML isn't a programming language, where we could have an if… else
construct for these types of things. On second thought, maybe it's better that way; I can only imagine what ignorant Web designers would do with programming capabilities.
Larry V (
talk |
contribs) 04:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Okay, I think I got a little too far. I am just going to fess up, and come out clean and put an end to this feud. I want to apologize to the WikiProject for my behavior. I see that because of my new proposal for the table I don't want any changes done to it. And I still don't want any changes done to it, but if I get outvoted, I'll have to deal with it, because that's how consensus works. We have a discussion to explain our ideas and opinions. Failure for me to express my ideas and opinions in a civil manner resulted in where we are now; fighting and everyone getting hyped up. So, first, I want to apologize to PCH for making personal attacks, and I want to apologize to Larry for failing to assume good faith in his part. I want to continue to play a part in this WikiProject, and I hope everyone can seek to forgive my behavior.
Now, I'd like to explain my opinion for the format that Larry has made:
So, as per the above, the table headers should be the SSIs, followed by the station names, the ADA icon column, then subway transfers and connections.
That said, those are my opinions, and I'm sorry if I made others uncomfortable/offended, and I hope we can still work together, and I hope I can still play a valuable part of the team. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 06:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
No, Larry, it's not, "all right", because yes, I'm definitely hard-headed sometimes, and I don't always listen. Me failing to assume good faith on your part resulted in this mess. It's better safe than sorry, and I apologize for my disorderly behavior. From now on, I will try to aggume good faith on other's partaking and make a suggestion instead of slurs. I don't really have a problem with the table, and I'll discuss my opinions for it. For now, however, I need some sleep. Talk to ya later. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 07:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone here have a list of which of the ex-BMT streetcar lines were operated by each company:
Thank you for any help. -- NE2 19:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it make sense to expand this project to include all MTA properties, or at least all but the LIRR and Metro-North? The buses (formerly streetcars) and subway share some common history, and even the LIRR relates to both. -- NE2 03:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
So, Pacific Coast Highway, as per an expansion to the project's scope, should the project be renamed Wikipedia:WikiProject Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York)? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 05:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Seems like quite an ambitious undertaking, but I don't see why it can't work. Let's clarify here: This'll cover everything under MTA, including LIRR and Metro-North? Larry V ( talk | contribs) 06:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
How about WikiProject New York City transit? There were a few streetcar lines that stopped running without an MTA takeover, which would be excluded from WP:MTA. And ferries are a good idea, since those were usually closely linked to the rail lines. -- NE2 06:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
NYC transit pretty means the same thing as NYC subway, so that would probably not be the best name to rename our project. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 06:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I would strongly suggest not naming it New York City Transit. It's a pretty typical expression around New York City for the whole MTA, but it's also synonymous (at least among NYCT employees) with just NYC Buses and Subways. (Most call it "Transit".) I'm a little fearful that the name Imdanumber1 is suggesting is too long. I'm not sure about yours, Larry...it might be a compromise solution. Are we willing to expand to cover the PATH Train too? alphachimp. 08:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, we've been covering a lot of MTA-related work in the past, right? I don't see why we can't rename the project Wikipedia:WikiProject MTA (New York). Let's see, we've experience with the MTA, right? We have a lot of sources to provide us with the information. nycsubway.org and station reporter are excellent resources. LIRRhistory as well, for Long Island Rail Road. We've done a great job with the NYC subway; it's time we expand to the rest of the MTA. -_ Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 19:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I did like "transportation" better, but I figured that perhaps "transport" would be "more correct", since the article on the subject is " public transport". Note how I've referred to "public transportation" everywhere except in my proposed name. :-) So is it same to assume that we should go with "WikiProject New York City Public Transportation"? Larry V ( talk | contribs) 19:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
There will still have to be a separate one for anything that isn't train-related, since only the rail-related articles have Template:TrainsWikiProject. Larry V ( talk | contribs) 03:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure we should be including the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority... sure, it's part of the MTA, but it would be better suited to a NYC-area roads project. There's certainly enough for one, especially with Robert Moses, and it's only very loosely connected to the public transportation. -- NE2 03:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
If anyone else is interested in the history of the Brooklyn streetcars, I've posted a list from an 1874 Brooklyn street directory at the bottom of Talk:List of streetcar lines in Brooklyn. -- NE2 02:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I just recently discovered this template. I see it is for the article on the 4 line, however, it is currently being unused. I hope that with some revamping, it's possible that this template, as well as others, can be reinstated. I also found some for the 2, 3 and 1. Any opinions on what to do with them? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 08:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe we could use these templates and put each line into the station's page they refer to. Rbb l181 05:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I think they're actually for the station articles, not the subway service articles. -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with not using it; we already have navigation through previous and next station links and through the link to the service. Similar boxes have been deleted for the state highways of most states for the same reasons. -- NE2 20:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey guys, great with the move. We're definitely ready to move on to to brand new areas, so let's get started! NE2, I see that you've been involved with the project since the last couple of weeks, would you like to add your name to the list and get involved? -- Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 02:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I've written articles for six of the former north-south streetcar lines in Manhattan: Category:Streetcars in Manhattan. I'm considering writing one on the Fifth Avenue Line too, the Fifth Avenue Coach Company's first bus line, started in 1886; it might be best to redirect to the company (which operated other lines later) for now though. What do you think - are long-lasting bus routes notable enough for their own article? -- NE2 03:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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