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So, both PVL stations in Hackensack, Anderson Street and Essex Street, have "Hackensack" in their article titles. ( Hackensack-Essex Street (NJT station) and Hackensack-Anderson Street (NJT station), to be specific. I don't like either, firstly, because it's awkard, secondly because the shorter version omitting "Hackensack" is more commonly used, and thirdly because just as often (such as on-train automated announcements) put the "Hackensack" after the street name. Would anyone object to moving them to Essex Street (NJT station) and Anderson Street (NJT station)? oknazevad ( talk) 21:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
(unindent)Looks fantastic Mitch! (And sorry I couldn't be of more help with the Lake Hopatcong rewrite, but Ive only been out that way once and don't know enough about it). I made one tiny change, as the PVL is technically an east-west railroad by timetable, the legacy of being an Erie branch line (the Erie having run to Buffalo and, ultimately Chicago). Actually, that is common on many PVL related articles, such as towns the line serves. I try and fix it anytime I see it. Anyway, what's the verdict on article names? To "Hackensack" or not to "Hackensack", that is the question. oknazevad ( talk) 05:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC) Addendum: I can get a pic of Anderson Street as it now appears, but I don't know if a patch of relatively fresh blacktop with a white bus shelter next to it makes for much of a picture. Sadly, that is indeed all that is there. Still, if you there's a belief that we should, I can easily get a picture of that, along with one of Essex Street and New Bridge Landing in the next couple of days. I already am getting a promised pic of the Hackensack Bus Terminal, so might as well get em all. oknazevad ( talk) 05:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Was it necessary to delete the previous version of Hackensack-Anderson Street (NJT station) from the record? It's not like the previous article was so much different than the current one. What about the attribution/documentation license? Tinlinkin ( talk) 02:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
So I followed through on the moves I tried, to the best of my ability, to update templates to reflect the moves. Any other errant links are probably ok, but I'll fix em as I see em. Following your suggestion, Tinlinkin, I put a hatnote on Essex Street (NJT station). To allay your concerns, Dan, when modifying the route maps, I put "Hackensack" in after the station links. oknazevad ( talk) 19:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Since Anderson Street is now a GA, I have gone ahead and written about the former Fairmount Avenue Station, which somehow made it to the New Jersey Transit days. I'll get to Essex Street when I can.Mitch32( Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!) 16:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Quite a few Templates for LIRR lines have messed up their related articles to the point where I had to remove them. They've included the Port Jefferson Branch, Hempstead Branch, West Hempstead Branch, Far Rockaway Branch, and Atlantic Branch. Who can fix these? ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
{{
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23:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)The following discussion is moved from Talk:G (New York City Subway service)#Weekend Service; the same messages were found at Talk:New York City Subway and Talk:Straphangers Campaign.
Does anybody have inside info on any future plans to eliminate G service. My hunch is that the current weekend "repairs" are a test of a G line phase out. What is the MTA planning?-- Woogie10w ( talk) 12:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that they could go away with it that easily... The G has been showing steady rising in usage, so they can not eliminate it that easy. I can see eliminating (the somewhat already discontinued)service on the Queens Blvd line, but not the line at it's whole length. They are claiming that they are changing the track foundation. I will check that on Tuesday and from there we can draw conclusions...!!! TomasNY ( talk) 07:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It is indeed the first time (I only use the G for the last 3 years- you should know better...) that they completely eliminate the G for the whole weekend. But it is also the first time they cut the 7 -a far more important line- at Wilets Point, and offered a free transfer to Flushing via shuttle buses this weekend and the next. My guess (and hope) is that they realized that they are far more productive when the completely shut down a line (or section of it) than creating S services and having union workers working next. I tried to find stats but the new website (which is much better than the old one) is not helping me. Any how there is no doubt that the G is the line with the less ridership (I am guessing that the V is somewhere around too). But they never closed down completely a line, and there is no station in the system that is completely closed anytime. Finally lets not forget that Court Sq. is getting an inside the system transfer with the 7 by the summer. That will bring in more numbers from Flushing and Astoria,and hopefully curtailing service more on the G will get out of the table. TomasNY ( talk) 04:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
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I had a question about the elevated New York City transit lines. Mostly they are named a "IRT" lines. However, most predated the IRT system, and the elevated-only lines, such as the Third Avenue El, are rarely referred to as IRT lines in any newspaper articles and websites or books that you can find on NYC transit. Can this be fixed?-- ScottyBerg ( talk) 20:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
We have way too many uses of the bullet in the G-article, it looks horrible with bullets everywhere in the article. Its also in the title!Mitch32( Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!) 23:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
The MTA has put out a revised list of service reductions. Besides letting us know what won't be around this summer, there are plenty of gems in there about service: ridership numbers and special service patterns that are unadvertised. Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs} 21:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
On a related note, I have seen mentions of the previous proposal deleted. Is this a good idea? Tinlinkin ( talk) 14:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Besides Shappy's list of NYC Subway station articles needing images, I uploaded my own similar lists on LIRR and Metro-North stations that need images on the main page. We should keep track of them and cross out articles that already have them. I reserved a future list for HBLR stations, but I think I should consider replacing it with one for Staten Island Railway stations. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, more LIRR stuff; For a while I've placed a hidden history chapter in the article on the Babylon Branch. Would anybody mind going to that article and examining it, to see what I'm missing, and what I should get rid of, and such? ---- DanTD ( talk) 06:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Here's what I've got so far;
The Babylon Branch began as the electrification of the Montauk Branch between Valley Stream and Babylon on May 20, 1925. Eventually, this would also include the former " Springfield Branch" which the Montauk Branch was relocated to northeast of Springfield Junction. The tracks were elevated from the 1950's through the 1970's. The last station to be elevated on the branch was Massapequa Park (LIRR station) on December 13, 1980. [1]
So what am I missing? ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I just scanned an image of 167th Street (IRT Jerome Avenue Line) from Google Street View, and I've come to the conclusion that the best image of that station would be from 167th Street and Gerard Avenue. You'd have to stand in the middle of the crosswalk and hope nobody runs you over, but it'd still be a great shot. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I have expanded in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York#Photography which I think is more appropriate to this more wide ranging topic, with answers to some of the above questions.
Back on topic, File:Van Siclen Avenue BMT Jamaica entrance.JPG is the promised example picture. I went to 167th & Jerome this Sunday, but the sun was setting and my results weren't good. I may try again this week or the next. Tinlinkin ( talk) 10:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Pictures of the old El trains dating back to the turn of the century are available on the Smithsonian website. Can these be capture on freeze frame and uploaded to the appropriate articles? If so, is there a how-to guide available for newbies? Thanks, -- ScottyBerg ( talk) 17:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
There are still plenty of unused, replaced, and orphan images that could be added, and I just hid another image in one of the Fourth Avenue/Ninth Street (New York City Subway) infoboxes. Is this the right one for the BMT Fourth Avenue Line segment? ---- DanTD ( talk) 07:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I made a new combined infobox for Grand Central Terminal. Let me know what you think of it. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
4 | This user takes the 4 train of the New York City Subway. |
I have created a new
userbox for the NYCS: {{
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. Enjoy!
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Just found an interesting historical resource: the 1907 World Almanac, available in its entirety on Google Books. It has an article on the NY subways that I discovered while searching for books mentioning Seventh Avenue. See [8] -- ScottyBerg ( talk) 20:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking about redirecting all redlinks for Jamaica-Beaver Street (LIRR station) and Beaver Street (LIRR station) to Jamaica (LIRR station), but I suspect I'd have to write a whole new chapter or sub-chapter in the Jamaica Station article. Should I redirect them to Jamaica anyway? ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I've already made this request on the proposed mergers page, and now I'm bringing them here:
Let me know what you think of these ideas. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
I redirected the disambig pages to Eighth Avenue (disambiguation) because they were both incomplete disambigations. And I guess the two stations won't be merged anytime soon based on the above. Tinlinkin ( talk) 06:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Today, I finally added colors for the routeboxes for AirTrain Newark (maroon), and AirTrain JFK (yellow). If anybody tries to make real routeboxes out of them, they should be added with the other PATH templates. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
The questions of whether both AirTrain lines can and should be intergrated into Category:Port Authority Trans-Hudson templates should still be considered. ---- DanTD ( talk) 05:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Airtrain is PATH? No. As Oknazevad said above, they are completely separate systems. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 08:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
What do you all think about User:Gfoley4's addition of Google Maps Street View links for station entrances, like here? (Better to bring this up now before it is done on 420+ pages.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 22:10, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, I have posted a message to WikiProject Geographical coordinates (Thanks, Jim). I hope that User:Gfoley4's edits are not in vain, since there are other types of improvements needed for articles (references, anyone?), and these kinds of external links are not a high priority. Tinlinkin ( talk) 01:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Seeing the dullness of the infobox for the New Jersey Transit infoboxes in comparison to lines like Metro North or the Long Island Railroad, I have asked for a good design for the signs used on NJ Transit platforms. They are to the right of this message. The first one, using Great Notch Station as an example is a variant of Helvetica, and is the basic font design. The second is the second-style used by the company, which is the typeface Goudy Old Style. This design is my preference, but it doesn't have to be. They are simple Inkscape designs and follow a file naming system as I'd like to add them to infoboxes for real accuracy. I would like consensus to finish them though and implement them.Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 23:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Anybody have any info on the Long Beach Branch previously sharing trackage with the Montauk Branch and West Hempstead Branch? I've read a few things about this line going there as far back as the late-1950's, and a few things about it on here, but I can't find too much else on when it was moved there, or realigned to the Atlantic Branch. ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
With the elimination of the V and recoloring of the M, and so on, we have to be on the ready to refomat everything accordingly. Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 16:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::We're also going to have to create a new Orange M bullet! —
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Looking over the history for Mountain View station on NJ Transit, considering the Erie and Delaware, Lackawanna both had stations in Mountain View and Mountain View Tower connected the two. Now, should the Mountain View article focus on the Erie one (which is the actual station) or both?Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 20:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Why were these pages moved?
Current consensus is that the stations include the name on the [ official map], plus the line name for disambiguation purposes. Numbers under ten are spelled out. Those stations that are connected by free transfer passageways are combined into a single article with (New York City Subway) at the end. I've notified the two users who made these moves to join this discussion. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, what's up with the map template in the infobox of the New Jersey Transit Gladstone Branch? No matter what you try to do with it, it only shows a non-descript broken line with connections to the Northeast Corridor and Long Island Rail Road. Yet, by itself, the template is in decent shape. ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Per these two references, 1 2 I have removed G service from the Queens Blvd templates, and removed the Queens Blvd line from the G service page. :-(
Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Over on some railfan forum, I read that the Long Island Railroad originally planned to merge Deer Park (LIRR station), Pineaire (LIRR station), and Brentwood (LIRR station) into a single station complex, but Brentwood residents rallied against them, and they settled for merging just Deer Park and Pineaire. Anybody have any evidence of this besides on forums? ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
To make your lives easier in the meantime, I have set up User:Mitchazenia/NYCS navbox - July 2010 for the ready when the service changes on the M-V-W go in effect. Feel free to edit this.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 16:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I finally posted the article for the Central Railroad of Long Island, and I'm sorry to say the thing needs a lot of work. I've tagged the article for maps and cleanup, and I've even tried to reduce some of the repitition in the Central Branch (Long Island Rail Road) article without eliminating some important aspects of it, but it's still not enough. The original version of the Bushwick Branch article may or may not have been better than this. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I recently noticed that the
Template:Hudson Line (Metro-North)-infobox has a lot of closed stations, but one that's missing is the
Croton North (NYCRR station)(
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.206944,-73.894444&spn=0.01,0.01&t=h&q=41.206944,-73.894444) which is currently on the
National Register of Historic Places. Part of the problem is, I have no idea where this corresponds to the Fare Zone 5-6 border, the Croton Yards or the end of electrification.
In the mean time I'd also like to remove this quote;
This is a route-map template for a Long Island Rail Road line.
For information on use of this template, refer to Wikipedia:Route diagram template.
from more of the LIRR line templates, and place them on the sides where they belong. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I really feel, because of their sheer size, templates with the line's route map need to be removed from the station articles. They take up way too much space and make too much white space. The S-line template serves well and if people want that map, they could just go to the line article.Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 01:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Gotta revive this discussion since another revert of DanTD on Ramsey (NJT station). We need to do something about these.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 10:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
To prepare for the MTA's changes in bus service effective 6/27/2010, I have created these pages:
A few questions/notes:
Other boroughs will come soon. Train2104 ( talk) 19:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Staten Island I assumed that the S52 Clyde Place is a terminal. Train2104 ( talk) 00:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Bronx Train2104 ( talk) 01:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
The Brooklyn page is not complete, the Brownstone restructuring is not included yet. Could you please check for errors in all the pages? Train2104 ( talk) 13:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
All 7 pages complete. Train2104 ( talk) 23:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
It's probably time to talk about the stations of the Second Avenue Subway and 7 Subway Extension. The three SAS stations and the 34th Street West Side station are being constructed so I think articles about them can be created now. So then, the naming. I propose:
The reason I broke the rules by choosing "Second Avenue Subway" instead of "IND Second Avenue Line" (or "BMT Second Avenue Line") is because Second Avenue Subway is the popular name of the line, corresponds to the article name, and classifying by a division could be confusing to readers and possibly incorrect, especially since the extension is not considered to be an extension of an existing line (although technically it is) and the construction is post-unification merger. As 34th Street is an extension of an existing line, I have no problem with the "IRT Flushing Line" suffix. Feel free to discuss and debate.
As it stands now, the article Second Avenue Subway is quite convoluted and most of the material is dated. So I would like to request help when the 4 articles are created.
Also semi-related, Seaport (New York City Subway station) is up for deletion. Tinlinkin ( talk) 23:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Why is this station 57th Street – Sixth Avenue listed as being on the IND Sixth Avenue Line? Should it be moved to the IND 63rd Street Line? I can accept that it was a part of the Sixth Avenue line prior to 1989; however it has been connected to the rest of the 63rd Street line since then. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous IP(User:69.250.125.60) is adding passenger traffic at various Long Island Rail Road stations. While I applaud his or her efforts, it seems like some of the stats might be outdated and incomplete. Would anybody be willing to keep an eye on this activity? --- DanTD ( talk) 17:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I just found out that the original roll sign for the 3 train is broken( [9]). That link on the left is what it should look like, apparently. ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I think the title says for itself what I am looking for Benson Street (NJT station), Rowe Street (NJT station), Arlington (NJT station) and when to be created, North Newark (NJT station). Its rather confusing to have it set up as the Montclair-Boonton Line when in reality it wasn't. Should the two lines be separate in s-rail?Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 12:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I am proposing to merge the Saint George (Staten Island Railway station) article into St. George Ferry Terminal. Please use Talk:St. George Ferry Terminal for further discussion. Tinlinkin ( talk) 06:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I've proposed that the BMT Canarsie Line automation page is no longer at the right title. That article is being expanded to include the automation of the IRT Flushing Line. Please go to Talk:BMT Canarsie Line automation for the discussion. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I am going to suggest a move of Gravesend – 86th Street (BMT Sea Beach Line) to 86th Street (BMT Sea Beach Line); see the talk page to discuss. (Posting here to avoid starting a new thread.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 13:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I see the word "bellmouth" in and only in a lot of the NY subway station articles. Is this term accurate for what I think it is, a section of unused tunnel? Tinlinkin ( talk) 10:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
To solve the issues over the gallery tag, which is the adaptation to different screen sizes, I used {{ Gallery}} and it works well. I won't have time to do the conversions soon, so I'm posting the message here. (I'm also using my new computer, so I really notice the difference over the old format.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 13:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of merges, I propose to do this merge, one that I wanted to do before:
I feel comfortable with the Metropolitan/Lorimer ordering as opposed to the other way around, but I can be persuaded otherwise. I was persuaded...
On a related note, I will create the category Category:New York City Subway transfer stations because I've realized that, despite previous reservations, station complexes that are classified in both Category:New York City Subway stations and Category:New York City Subway stations in Manhattan make no sense. Tinlinkin ( talk) 08:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
So I'm going to do the merge to
Lorimer Street / Metropolitan Avenue (New York City Subway) in a few hours tomorrow. I will move the other pages next week.
Tinlinkin (
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00:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I put a pic of stonework into Livingston (Staten Island Railway station). This is in eastern Livingston, halfway between the abundantly stoneworked Snug Harbor Station and Bard Avenue. I'm thinking maybe my File:Bard Av SIRT jeh.JPG actually depicts the western part of the Livingston Station site, while my stonework ramp is an alternate, unlisted (older?) Snug station. Anybody got a clue? Jim.henderson ( talk) 17:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
There is an article about NJT route 981 here: 981 Port Liberte-Grove Street
The article is near-orphaned, and now that the bus route is history, what do you think should be done about it? There is no history entry on the WHEELS page to redirect it to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Train2104 ( talk • contribs) 00:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
User:DReifGalaxyM31 has taken it upon his/herself to merge station complexes. Whether the user was inspired by the recent merges, we don't know. But I am highly annoyed that the merges were done without coordination from the project and other users. (At least the user has the consideration to point to the correct section of articles.) To summarize:
Since User:DReifGalaxyM31 has merged 3 times and is planning to do another one, I am bringing up the remaining station complexes that have not been merged yet. Therefore all of them can be brought up for discussion. In principle, I support having station complexes as one page so there would be no redundancies with other pages and sections about the station complex itself can be created. Please use the sections below to share your thoughts.
I am not going to clean up the merges that have been created, just in case other users disagree with merging any of them. (They must be reconciled with cut-and-paste repair.) Lastly, setting up this post took a lot of time away from other things I wanted to do here, because my time at Wikipedia will be limited. Tinlinkin ( talk) 05:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Use this section to support merging the individual stations into one page, your rationale and to what titles.
Use this section to oppose merging the individual stations into one page.
This space is for further discussion on the subject.
I think there is a consensus to merge most of the articles, except for the Court Square complex (8), Lexington/59th & Lexington/63rd (7), and the Jay/Lawrence complex under construction (9). Next, I requested cut and paste repair for the first three (and they are done), and then I will clean up those articles later today or tomorrow. The remaining three I haven't decided on the course of action yet other than they will be merged. But I urge users to not do the merges as I have more experience in merging. Article naming is still open for discussion, but the first three articles are now at the list of transfer stations name. (I'm feel rather sleepy so that's all I have to say for now. The comments by the administrator at WP:SPLICE, who I think I can recall from the Wikimedia meetup, are interesting and I'll reply to him later today.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 07:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I ask a question with examples: does a closed station like City Hall (IRT Lexington Avenue Line) belong in Category:New York City Subway stations in Manhattan? How about a former el station like Reid Avenue (BMT Fulton Street Line) into Category:New York City Subway stations in Brooklyn? Tinlinkin ( talk) 04:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Over on the List of Long Island Rail Road stations there's a former station named Atlantic Avenue (LIRR station) that redirects to Atlantic Terminal. I don't buy it for a second, first, because there's no evidence that the former Flatbush Avenue (LIRR station) ever had that name, and second, because it's shown to have been on the Long Beach Branch. The only Atlantic Avenue that has anything to do with the Long Beach Branch is near East Rockaway (LIRR station), and so far I can't find any evidence such a station ever existed there(although I'm certainly willing to consider the possibility). ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Courtesy of the Unofficial LIRR History website and their 1948 map. It was between East Rockaway and Oceanside Stations and not on Island Park at all. ---- DanTD ( talk) 21:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
While there's still a thread about the Long Beach Branch, Is there anybody with any info on the Long Beach Branch previously sharing trackage with the Montauk and West Hempstead Branches? I've read a few things about this line going there as far back as the late-1950's, and a few things about it on Main Line station articles between Jamaica and Rockaway Junction, but I can't find too much else on when it was moved there, or realigned to the Atlantic Branch. ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I just photocopied a few pages from the Vincent Seyfreid notes on LIRR history, and they confirm that Atlantic Avenue (LIRR station) was an existing station that was too close to East Rockaway (LIRR station), and was merged into East Rockaway. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Noting that there will be massive reroutings and deletions on the MTA bus network on June 27, I am preparing new articles, but am currently storing them in my sandbox until the date comes, at which time, new articles will be ready. That way, one major edit can be done. -- AEMoreira042281 ( talk) 17:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
The MTA has named the car designation that will replace the R46s when they turn 40 years old...the R211. I created a stub article for it R211 based on the information here for proof (go to page 20).
I will edit the rolling stock navbox based on this new information given. Thanks. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 05:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, I initiated a deletion discussion of the current NYCS bullets at Wikimedia Commons. I believe they are all right under fair use, but not as public domain images, as explained in the link to the deletion discussion. Tinlinkin ( talk) 06:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Over in the Wikisources page, I don't see all the volumes of The Long Island Rail Road: a comprehensive history. There are actually seven of them, as you can see here. ---- DanTD ( talk) 21:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
One of the two images of the Harrison (PATH station) contains a Pennsylvania Railroad logo at the street entrance. Does this mean it was a PRR Station before it was claimed by the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad? Somebody should add a history chapter to the station in order to clear it up. ---- DanTD ( talk) 12:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
With the gradual implementation of the new bus lists for the June 27 service cuts, there will be many broken redirects for the discontinued routes. What should we do about these? Delete them or redirect them to the discontinued/former routes table? Train2104 ( talk) 19:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I have just discovered this template:
{{ queens bus routes}}
It is seriously out of date, and is only transcluded on one page, the Q38 bus article. The Q38 is also the only Queens bus route article not to redirect to the row in the list. The article doesn't provide much historical information either, and most of it is just a detailed route and travel path description.
I think that the template should be deleted and the article returned to its creation state as a redirect. Opinions? Train2104 ( talk) 23:17, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a discrepancy between the titles of the two articles of New York, Susquehanna and Western Railroad station articles. The Susquehanna Transfer article uses an ampersand between S and W while the Hawthorne one does not. Which should be standard? My opinion is dump both and spell out the entire name, headache to pronounce or not, its still correct.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 19:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok, now Butler's article has been moved to Butler (NYS&W station). As far as I know, Butler, Maywood, Hawthorne and Susquehanna Transfer have articles. We should try to get consensus to one naming style. I'd also like to see if Vreeland Avenue is deserving of an article. The structure still stands (like a number of Susquehanna stations) and is proposed for usage by the Passaic-Bergen Rail Line, if that ever happens.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 18:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I think that we need to be more precise in providing the routes and station locations for defunct transit lines. These are not always accurately or precisely given. I have an old 1935 NYC Red Book, which will help, but that only covers Manhattan and the Bronx. ScottyBerg ( talk) 13:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I know we try not to cover proposed stations, but as a result for the Lackawanna Cut-Off, do we want to write articles for the following: Tobyhanna, East Stroudsburg, Delaware Water Gap, Blairstown, Andover and Greendell? I know Gouldsboro still stands, but that falls under Gouldsboro (Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad station), since NJ Transit won't use it. The next question would be what naming convention would be used for Greendell and does it have enough detail for creating an article. Thoughts?Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 18:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Was just thinking on this. Stations along the Hudson and Harlem lines have split route succession boxes, with separate listings for locals and expresses. I think this is a bad idea. It seems to me that, unlike the subway, there's far too many different permutations of stopping patterns on commuter rail, and that they change too often, for neat splits such as these to work. For example, the succession boxes at Tarrytown (Metro-North station) lists Yonkers as the next stop for express trains towards Grand Central. But a quick glance of the current Hudson Line schedule shows no AM peak trains with that service pattern, and only a handful of PM off-peaks actually going straight from Tarrytown to Yonkers (many stop at Hastings).
In short, "typical" generalizations aren't necessarily all that typical and attempting to cover differing service permutations seems unnecessary. I think readers would be better served by a straight succession of all stations along the line. oknazevad ( talk) 15:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it isn't in NYC but I just uploaded some Jersey City pix to commons:Category:Former railway lines in New Jersey and maybe someone familiar with these abandoned lines can provide identifications or other useful information. Jim.henderson ( talk) 15:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Given that Wikipedia policy encourages the use of common names, do you think that moving Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority to MTA Bridges and Tunnels over the redirect is a good idea? All the other articles (NYCT, LIRR, LIB, MNRR) use their dba names. Train2104 ( talk) 19:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I've been looking at Category:New York City public transportation articles needing images from time to time, and when I found an image of Allerton Avenue (IRT White Plains Road Line) a few days ago, I added it to that article, which brough the image count down to 188. Until I added some images to Hampton Bays (LIRR station) this morning, it was up to 190. So what is being added to this category? ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The Flushing and North Side Railroad finally has an article. Do with it what you will. ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Temporarily I've set Maywood (NYS&W station) to redirect to Maywood Station Museum. However, I have to ask, in continuation of above, do we want to move the article to the Maywood (NYS&W station) title?Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 00:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody think the {{ Long Island Rail Road}} can be added to railroads that were acquired by the LIRR, since it includes those railroads? While we're at it, why isn't the NY&MB on that list? ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I just created a series of bullets for the IRT Eastern Parkway Line infobox( File:NYCS-line-trans-black-EastPkwy.png), but I have a feeling this violates a dozen copyright regulations. So can anybody make a better version that doesn't? ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Should bus routes that have a local and limited pattern be separately designated? IP 24.189.91.116 ( talk) has been adding the LTD designation to various articles. I have reverted the ones on the list of bus routes in xxx articles, but I will leave the subway stations up to you. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 18:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
These LIRR templates are not used, why were they pulled?
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Also, I added {{ Hempstead Branch}} back to Hempstead Branch, but I can't seem to figure out why there is an extra |} at the bottom. Train2104 ( talk) 23:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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23:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)The coordinates given for Jamaica – Van Wyck (IND Archer Avenue Line) are wrong. They place the station at Hillside Avenue( NY 25) and Sutphin Boulevard, the same intersection as Sutphin Boulevard (IND Queens Boulevard Line). ---- DanTD ( talk) 22:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Simple question regarding the train in this image; Is this an M1, M2, or M3? ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
A lot of subway stations are still listed in the category "New York City public transportation articles needing images", because there have artwork that could be exposed, especially if that artwork reduces the chances of the articles being stubs. If adding images of them is a copyright violation, and if there are links availabe to that artwork, perhaps I should remove them from the category. What do the rest of you think? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:46, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I've requested that Lower East Side – Second Avenue (IND Sixth Avenue Line) be moved because the Official Map from the MTA no longer lists the station with the Lower East Side neighborhood identifier due to not being a terminal now. Discussion is on the article's talk page. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 23:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I was just rummaging through a site called "Vintage Views of New York," and though I found very few views of Long Island on there, I decided to look up other stuff anyway. While I was there, I stumbled upon a postcard for a bridge I never knew existed called the "West Jersey Bridge." Where was this? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Just a FYI, there is currently a discussion going on at Talk: New York City Subway nomenclature about the use of <A> in articles. The thread is here. Gfoley 4 / Wanna chat? 03:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
How close is Military Park (NLR station) to the site of the former Park Place (H&M station) mentioned in the Port Authority Trans-Hudson article? And shouldn't the redlinks of all the former H&M stations be convered to H&M suffixes instead of PATH auffixes? ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I have started a move discussion Talk:New York City transit fares#Requested move to rename it to Transit fares in New York City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Train2104 ( talk • contribs) 22:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I just came across QM12 (New York City Bus). However, the fact that this page went 6 months without anyone other than a NPP seeing it brings me to think that we might as well need to sign WP:NYCPT up for User:AlexNewArtBot's scanning services. I don't know how to write regular expressions, though. What do you think? — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 03:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I have created an article page that can be used once the transfer between the Lawrence Street - MetroTech and Jay Street - Borough Hall stations is completed, when the station is renamed Jay Street - MetroTech'. DReifGalaxyM31 ( talk) 23:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous IP(69.123.10.155) has been trying to add the Atlantic Branch in the services parameter of Valley Stream (LIRR station) infobox, obviously trying to reflect the fact that the station is the terminus of the Atlantic Branch. Should we help him or her edit the thing right, or should we just tell this person to let it be, and explain why it should be left as is? ---- DanTD ( talk) 21:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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For some time, I have thought that there was room for improvement in the tables describing the "lines followed" in each of the subway service articles. The following, for example, appeared in the E Train article:
The following lines are used by the E service:
Line | Tracks | Time |
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IND Archer Avenue Line (full line) | N/A | all times |
IND Queens Boulevard Line north of Briarwood – Van Wyck Boulevard | express | weekdays (rush hours only) |
IND Queens Boulevard Line from Van Wyck Boulevard to Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | mornings, afternoons | |
local | evenings, late nights, and weekends | |
IND Queens Boulevard Line south of Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | express | all times except late nights |
local | late nights | |
IND Eighth Avenue Line from 42nd Street – Port Authority Bus Terminal to World Trade Center | all times |
I felt that if you didn't already know the system pretty well — in other words, if you were actually reading the article and trying to learn something — you would likely find this confusing.
I spent a couple of weeks developing an alternative. I'm sufficiently certain it's an improvement, so I am going to go ahead and boldly insert into the relevant articles. This is what the equivalent passage for the E would look like:
The following table shows the lines used by the E service, with shaded boxes indicating the route at the specified times:
Line | From | To | Tracks | Times | |||
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week days |
week ends |
late nights |
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IND Archer Avenue Line (full line) | Jamaica Center – Parsons / Archer | Jamaica – Van Wyck | all | ||||
IND Queens Boulevard Line | Jamaica – 179th Street | Briarwood – Van Wyck Boulevard | express | ||||
Briarwood – Van Wyck Boulevard | Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | ||||||
local | |||||||
Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | Queens Plaza | express | |||||
local | |||||||
23rd Street – Ely Avenue | 50th Street | all | |||||
IND Eighth Avenue Line | 50th Street | World Trade Center | local |
DReifGalaxyM31 just created a new template for the Dyckman Street service suspension. I find this completely unnecessary since it only affects one station and the only article that needs this template is 191st Street. If anything, we can just add a note on that article's infobox saying that northbound trains do not stop at Dyckman Street until June 2011. I believe this template should be deleted, do you agree? Who here is an administrator who can delete templates? The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 14:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I also mentioned this on WP Trains Image Task Force board: The images of User:Maturelife1 are currently threatened with deletion, over presumed copyright violations. Many are of BART stations, MARTA stations, which doesn't concern the New York Metropolitan Area, but all three Metro-North stations in Mount Vernon, New York are also facing this threat. I strongly advocate replacing them, even if they're not deleted. ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm very surprised to find that there's no article on this subject. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 11:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
{{ Infobox NYCS}} was just moved to {{ Infobox New York City Subway}}. I don't know if there was a consensus or a discuss for this move, but it seems like one editor just took it upon his/herself to change the name. I don't think the move was necessary, but I think it should be reverted with a discussion taking place first. – Dream out loud ( talk) 18:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
The Ocean Electric Railway finally has an article. Fill that baby with whatever detail you may have available. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Since December 8, 2010, the article for the Huntington Railroad has no longer been a redirect. If you have more details, please fill them in. ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
The MTA has changed the URL's to the LIRR stations again. I just tried to look up the lonk for Patchogue (LIRR station), and the one in the template sent me to a "File Not Found" page, instead of here( http://lirr42.mta.info/stationInfo.php?id=124). ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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and most of the links look like they are working now after I adjusted the template. The Patchogue link still doesn't work though. →♠
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The value of this discussion has lost any importance. As a result, I'm invoking WP:IAR & WP:BOLD and shutting this match down. I've watched this discussion from afar and read the edit warring message. To say the least, Fram and DanTD's behavior between this are far from reputable. I highly suggest leaving this alone because if more arguing goes on, this will be at WP:ANI fast. There is precedent to keep these titles, using examples due to the confusion of Hawthorne (NJT station) / Hawthorne (NYSW station) / Hawthorne (Metro-North station). I feel uncomfortable with the level of nonsense. Fram is showing an inability to consider other opinion, and as a result is driving other editors away from the discussion. DanTD knows very well about edit warring (I've been in several) and I highly suggest backing off. This discussion is getting old and nothing is happening but argument. Take the time to calm down and let's get back to expanding these articles, not arguing over their title.Mitch32( Transportation Historian) 15:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Over on the main WP:Trains talk page, User:Sameboat and User:Fram thinks that Merillon Avenue (LIRR station) should be renamed Merillon Avenue, simply because no other articles on Wikipedia are named "Merillon Avenue." Would somebody explain the problem with this? ---- DanTD ( talk) 12:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
These are articles about stations. Unless the station has a name (Penn, GCT, etc.), the article title should clearly represent the fact that this is a station. For most commuter rail stations, the suffix is necessary, since they are names of towns with their own articles (Mineola, Stamford). Some don't refer to names (Merillon Avenue, Country Life Press, Purdy's, etc.), but their titles should really show this is a station by using the suffix. Otherwise, it seems that it's an article about the road/location itself. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 21:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Fulton Street / Broadway – Nassau Street → Fulton Street. Broadway-Nassau Street is now officially Fulton Street. Pacific Coast Highway { happy • merry} 17:19, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Done by
Ron Ritzman at 03:31 on 2011 January 15.
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With the opening of 8th Street just 12 days away, I've come up with a question. Considering the station design harkens the old Central Railroad of New Jersey station, shall we cover the history of the original CNJ station here or at West 8th Street (Central Railroad of New Jersey station)? The history of the West 8th Street station as many know is pretty dense, so what would you prefer? Mitch32( Transportation Historian) 19:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm content with the advice. Its just not as easy to get a picture in, especially if you want the station's prime. Now, would it be easier to cover and redirect Bayonne Scoot to 8th Street, to Aldene Plan or keep its own article? Mitch32( Transportation Historian) 22:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
It's great to see that this project has some stable naming conventions. I don't mean to rock things, but one of your guys made an assertion that I question, and I want to see what people here know or think about what's a proper name. See Talk:New York City Subway#Proper_name? where we started talking about it. The question is about the capitalization of "Subway" in New York City Subway and, by extension, "Line" in some related articles, etc. Any background, info, or previous discussions about this, or is it just a project convention to capitalize these? Dicklyon ( talk) 2:18 am, Today (UTC−5)
So should we fix it to be not treated as a proper name? Consider:
Dicklyon ( talk) 05:23, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
There has been posted a move request to de-capitalize the "S" in "New York City Subway". See Talk:New York City Subway. Please direct all comments there. oknazevad ( talk) 21:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Until yesterday, I had no idea how many subway lines needed infoboxes, especially those of the BMT. I've got a hidden one for the BMT Jamaica Line right now, and I recently created a BMT Jamaica bullet compostion for it that I've been trying and to upload into the commons, but they keep rejecting it. I completely forgot how I was able to add the one for the IRT Eastern Parkway Line. Anybody care to whip up some infoboxes and and bullets for them? ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody have any concrete info on the rail gauges used by the Huntington Railroad and Northport Traction Company? Did they have the same tracks as Ocean Electric Railway, Babylon Railroad, Suffolk Traction Company and all the other trolley lines in downstate New York, or did they use something else? --- DanTD ( talk) 01:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that the new Bx4A bus is noted in the List of bus routes in the Bronx article (with the Bx4 listing) but not on the list of bus transfers for subway stations along the Bx4A route (i.e. Third Avenue - 149th Street to Simpson Street on the IRT White Plains Road Line, Whitlock Avenue to Parkchester on the IRT Pelham Line, & Westchester Square - East Tremont Avenue on the IRT Pelham Line). Was there a consensus that it wasn't going to be done? ~kiddRell_ ( talk) 21:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Just like I wrote {{ LIRR links}}, I've now wrote {{ NJT links}}. Could someone help place it on station articles? Just place it, everything else should be automatic. I don't want to do this en masse using AWB, because I have to check each article to make sure the refs don't include the schedule, thereby making the template redundant. Any bugs/typos/mis-generations/broken links, please report on my talkpage. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 02:57, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
After reading MOS:ENDASH, I am suspicious that this project's usage of endashes doesn't exactly follow practices, specifically involving spacing. Endashes in station names are considered disjunctive, but not all of them should be spaced, according to the MOS.
Disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items
That means that we may need to amend our naming conventions and/or move some articles. Also, it says that hyphenated place names should not be using endashes. Therefore, there are several cases we need to address:
Opinions? — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 21:46, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The Clinton-Washington Avs wouldn't be spaced because it stands for "and" (as per role 3 in MOS:ENDASH). i.e. Clinton Avenue & Washington Avenue ~kiddRell_ ( talk) 03:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
As someone who frequents the MoS talk page, I will tell you this about that sausage-making operation. A)The ENDASH section is one of the more controversial, as some rules are inconsistent with general usage from many sources. B)The MoS as whole is full of arbitrary decisions that are based on little more than WP:ILIKEIT arguments. C) It's not law, and needn't be followed as iron clad policy.
The spacing guideline is frequently questioned, but those questions are usually off-handedly dismissed by the entrenched editors who crafted them in the first place. They especially create an issue, in my mind, in that they call for a different typography for dashes performing the exact same function. This doesn't work, as dashes with different spacing – such as these interrupting dashes – have different purposes.
What this means for us is that we should not spend a ridiculous amount of time worrying about spacing dashes. oknazevad ( talk) 05:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
New York and Newark Penn Station have been proposed for renaming. See here for the thread. Cheers, →♠ Gƒoley↔ Four♣← 02:27, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Please enlighten me on what consensus allowed Train2104 and that piece of crap AutoWikiBrowser to go ahead and remove my hard worked citations for timetables in NJ Transit station articles back into external links? It detriments the article when there are no references and useful ones were removed for the external links section, which isn't even a requirement. I have no strength to revert all those edits, and unless he wants to revert them myself, I'd like to call a foul right now on this problem.Mitch32( Erie Railroad Information Hog) 17:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there a way to identify this elevated station? Jim.henderson ( talk) 03:52, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
In real life, I mean. Just a heads-up. http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=208 Larry V ( talk | e-mail) 17:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
We should see the NYCS map on the Main Page in a few minutes, at last!
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A transit map of the New York City Subway, one of the oldest and most extensive public transportation systems in the world. Operated by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority of the State of New York, it has 468 stations in operation on 209 mi (337 km) of routes, with 842 miles (1,355 km) of track. It is the busiest rapid transit rail system by annual ridership in the Western Hemisphere, and fifth busiest in the world. Its stations are located throughout the boroughs of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx. Staten Island has its own rail line which is not part of the system, but is included in the map as well. Map: CountZ
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— Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 23:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, whoever keeps removing the statement about the M train operating in opposite railroad direction on the Jamaica and Myrtle Avenue Lines is at again. (S)he has now tagged the statement with a citation needed sign and threatens to remove it again if we do not find a source for it soon. Does anyone have physical proof about the M's odd service? We know historically that Middle Village - Metropolitan Avenue is the northern terminal of the BMT Myrtle Avenue Line and the M train before June 28, 2010, but is it possible it is now the southern terminal due to the M's new route? Find some proof or we are dead meat. The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 01:17, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Metropolitan Avenue has been the Southern Terminus of the Myrtle avenue line since railroad directions have been defined as North and South in the Eastern Division. It was, however, the Northern Terminus of the M train until 6/27/10. Ironically, the statement I challenged about the M line changing railroad direction was added because of the change which made it obsolete. 98.14.158.206 ( talk) 01:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody here identify the type of train shown in the music video for Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five's "The Message?" ( http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/297920-vlcsnap-2011-04-07-23h09m29s160.png). That roll sign looks like something from the 1940's to me, but the train itself I'm not to sure about. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody identify the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad locmotive shown here at Port Chester Station from the 1950's? It looks like an E7 diesel with the head at both ends. ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The coordinates used for Mount Vernon East (Metro-North station) place the station at Fordham (Metro-North station), so they're way off. BTW, I'm making a gallery for Mount Vernon East station right now. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Per discussion at WT:TWP, new track gauge categories have been created. Tramway systems fall under these categories, which are sub-cats of Category:Broad gauge railways, Category:Standard gauge railways and Category:Narrow gauge railways. Population of the various gauge categories needs to be done by adding the relevant gauge category to articles. Mjroots ( talk) 08:15, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
(Forgive me if any of you have seen this before, but I’m too impatient to comb through the archives.)
MTA Developer Resources publishes a list of latitude/longitude coordinates for every station exit in the system. In addition to the coordinates, the list contains what I presume are the line designations the MTA uses internally.
You can peruse the original data file if you wish (currently dated 1 July 2010), but I’ve processed out the line and station names and listed them here. — Larry V ( talk | e-mail) 13:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
As some of you know I finally got the chance to return to the New York Metropolitan Area in April 2011. I stayed at a relative's house on Long Island most of the time I was there. Before I arrived, I took pictures of stations in South Carolina, Virginia, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Once I got to Long Island, I went to the city and snapped some pics of the two remaining IND Queens Boulevard Line stations with no images; 36th Street (IND Queens Boulevard Line) and 75th Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line), both of which now have galleries. I'd love to pat myself on the back and say that the line is fully illustrated, but I later read some old messages on the talk page of Jamaica – 179th Street (IND Queens Boulevard Line) seeking a replacement image. If I knew that there were people seeking one, I might've taken one there. I also took some of Locust Manor (LIRR station), which has a gallery of it's own as of Saturday May 21, 2011.
Besides Locust Manor station, I also captured some for Locust Valley (LIRR station), Merillon Avenue (LIRR station), Freeport (LIRR station), and Merrick (LIRR station), but not Baldwin (LIRR station). I really wanted this one, because it would not only give the station an image, but would add another pic to the Baldwin, New York commons category. Luckily, I successfully replaced the image of the old shelter at Great River (LIRR station) with a more contemporary structure, and a small gallery. I was hoping to get one of the station house at Stony Brook (LIRR station) but I was moving too fast.
The IRT Lenox Avenue Line is now fully illustrated, but I wasn't able to get the pic of the street-level entrance of Harlem – 148th Street (IRT Lenox Avenue Line) that I wanted, because it was as blurry as all hell. So I had to substitute it with one from the platforms. I did ad a new image to the 145th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) gallery, and even added two to 103rd Street – Corona Plaza (IRT Flushing Line) station's gallery, which only had one image until that point. 111th Street (IRT Flushing Line) station needs more images for that gallery, and I think I have an idea or two on where some can be shot.
The three Metro-North Railroad stations in Mount Vernon, New York had images that were deleted over questionable copyright issues during the winter. Jim Henderson took care of the one for Fleetwood (Metro-North station) before I came here, so I passed that one over and took care of the one at Mount Vernon West (Metro-North station), My original plan was to replicate the previous picture, but I found that the one I took was much better. I can't say the same for Mount Vernon East (Metro-North station), but I still had some decent shots there, and I created galleries for both. There is one other image along the New Haven Line in Mount Vernon that's quite the relic; File:Mount Vernon East-11,000 Volts.JPG which warns of an 11,000 voltage. It looks like it was installed by the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad itself.
I'm still bummed that I didn't capture images of Baldwin, Bridgehampton, Bellport, Mastic-Shirley, Amagansett, and the former Water Mill LIRR stations, or the Pelham and Derby-Shelton Metro-North stations. The old Mattituck "produce storage" facility would've been nice too, as would have been Hollis and Country Life Press stations on the Hempstead Branch. The only thing keeping me from taking pics for the remaining articles on the IND Crosstown Line was a malfunction on the G Train. Sorry I couldn't replace Woodmere (LIRR station). Maybe next time. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I have gone through and changed the next stop directions on all M line only stations in the eastern division. (i.e The Myrtle line) This is very cut and dry as there is no real disagreement here. Before I go through and change the directions for the portion on broadway, I figured we should discuss what the proper way to show directions is here. As I see it, there are two ways we could go about doing it. One is leave the J as it is, and change the direction of the M line from Essex to Myrtle. This would be correct as to service directions, but would be a bit messy at all stops from Essex to Myrtle. The other option is to change the direction of both the J and M, which would be correct as to railroad direction. This would be REALLY messy for Chambers Street station, where the next stop is south regardless of which direction the J is going. I'm unsure as to which is better, but regardless of the choice made, one must be taken as the status quo is factually incorrect. 67.247.23.150 ( talk) 05:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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I came up with another idea today, which I think would be ideal, although would require a bit more work(making a new template for just these stations). We could simply change the template for the stations from Marcy to Myrtle to read Towards Manhattan and Towards Queens instead of north and south. 67.247.23.150 ( talk) 22:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
The first problem here is not that Marcy–Myrtle is screwed up, it's that the Jamaica Line articles are using service directions (north to Jamaica Center) when they should be using railroad directions, according to the parameters of Template:Infobox NYCS. If they were using railroad directions, we wouldn't have this particular problem. (Then again, using railroad directions for BMT Nassau Street/Jamaica would introduce arguably bigger problems at Chambers Street and along Archer Avenue.) Should we change Template:Infobox NYCS/doc to specify that "north/south" are service directions, not railroad directions? Larry V ( talk | e-mail) 19:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Because the link for 2010 annual ridership per station includes 2009's data and the percent change, having the second ref tag is unnecessary. Geoking 66 talk 20:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_City_Subway_yards Different criteria have obviously been used to determine which services are served by which yards. Some yards list only the services which are based out of that yard for maintenance purposes, while other yards list all services which use the yard even if only for storage. I think we should separate out the services into two columns, one for storage, one for maintenance. 128.122.2.41 ( talk) 13:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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So, both PVL stations in Hackensack, Anderson Street and Essex Street, have "Hackensack" in their article titles. ( Hackensack-Essex Street (NJT station) and Hackensack-Anderson Street (NJT station), to be specific. I don't like either, firstly, because it's awkard, secondly because the shorter version omitting "Hackensack" is more commonly used, and thirdly because just as often (such as on-train automated announcements) put the "Hackensack" after the street name. Would anyone object to moving them to Essex Street (NJT station) and Anderson Street (NJT station)? oknazevad ( talk) 21:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
(unindent)Looks fantastic Mitch! (And sorry I couldn't be of more help with the Lake Hopatcong rewrite, but Ive only been out that way once and don't know enough about it). I made one tiny change, as the PVL is technically an east-west railroad by timetable, the legacy of being an Erie branch line (the Erie having run to Buffalo and, ultimately Chicago). Actually, that is common on many PVL related articles, such as towns the line serves. I try and fix it anytime I see it. Anyway, what's the verdict on article names? To "Hackensack" or not to "Hackensack", that is the question. oknazevad ( talk) 05:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC) Addendum: I can get a pic of Anderson Street as it now appears, but I don't know if a patch of relatively fresh blacktop with a white bus shelter next to it makes for much of a picture. Sadly, that is indeed all that is there. Still, if you there's a belief that we should, I can easily get a picture of that, along with one of Essex Street and New Bridge Landing in the next couple of days. I already am getting a promised pic of the Hackensack Bus Terminal, so might as well get em all. oknazevad ( talk) 05:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Was it necessary to delete the previous version of Hackensack-Anderson Street (NJT station) from the record? It's not like the previous article was so much different than the current one. What about the attribution/documentation license? Tinlinkin ( talk) 02:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
So I followed through on the moves I tried, to the best of my ability, to update templates to reflect the moves. Any other errant links are probably ok, but I'll fix em as I see em. Following your suggestion, Tinlinkin, I put a hatnote on Essex Street (NJT station). To allay your concerns, Dan, when modifying the route maps, I put "Hackensack" in after the station links. oknazevad ( talk) 19:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Since Anderson Street is now a GA, I have gone ahead and written about the former Fairmount Avenue Station, which somehow made it to the New Jersey Transit days. I'll get to Essex Street when I can.Mitch32( Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!) 16:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Quite a few Templates for LIRR lines have messed up their related articles to the point where I had to remove them. They've included the Port Jefferson Branch, Hempstead Branch, West Hempstead Branch, Far Rockaway Branch, and Atlantic Branch. Who can fix these? ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
{{
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23:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)The following discussion is moved from Talk:G (New York City Subway service)#Weekend Service; the same messages were found at Talk:New York City Subway and Talk:Straphangers Campaign.
Does anybody have inside info on any future plans to eliminate G service. My hunch is that the current weekend "repairs" are a test of a G line phase out. What is the MTA planning?-- Woogie10w ( talk) 12:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that they could go away with it that easily... The G has been showing steady rising in usage, so they can not eliminate it that easy. I can see eliminating (the somewhat already discontinued)service on the Queens Blvd line, but not the line at it's whole length. They are claiming that they are changing the track foundation. I will check that on Tuesday and from there we can draw conclusions...!!! TomasNY ( talk) 07:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It is indeed the first time (I only use the G for the last 3 years- you should know better...) that they completely eliminate the G for the whole weekend. But it is also the first time they cut the 7 -a far more important line- at Wilets Point, and offered a free transfer to Flushing via shuttle buses this weekend and the next. My guess (and hope) is that they realized that they are far more productive when the completely shut down a line (or section of it) than creating S services and having union workers working next. I tried to find stats but the new website (which is much better than the old one) is not helping me. Any how there is no doubt that the G is the line with the less ridership (I am guessing that the V is somewhere around too). But they never closed down completely a line, and there is no station in the system that is completely closed anytime. Finally lets not forget that Court Sq. is getting an inside the system transfer with the 7 by the summer. That will bring in more numbers from Flushing and Astoria,and hopefully curtailing service more on the G will get out of the table. TomasNY ( talk) 04:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
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I had a question about the elevated New York City transit lines. Mostly they are named a "IRT" lines. However, most predated the IRT system, and the elevated-only lines, such as the Third Avenue El, are rarely referred to as IRT lines in any newspaper articles and websites or books that you can find on NYC transit. Can this be fixed?-- ScottyBerg ( talk) 20:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
We have way too many uses of the bullet in the G-article, it looks horrible with bullets everywhere in the article. Its also in the title!Mitch32( Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!) 23:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
The MTA has put out a revised list of service reductions. Besides letting us know what won't be around this summer, there are plenty of gems in there about service: ridership numbers and special service patterns that are unadvertised. Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs} 21:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
On a related note, I have seen mentions of the previous proposal deleted. Is this a good idea? Tinlinkin ( talk) 14:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Besides Shappy's list of NYC Subway station articles needing images, I uploaded my own similar lists on LIRR and Metro-North stations that need images on the main page. We should keep track of them and cross out articles that already have them. I reserved a future list for HBLR stations, but I think I should consider replacing it with one for Staten Island Railway stations. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, more LIRR stuff; For a while I've placed a hidden history chapter in the article on the Babylon Branch. Would anybody mind going to that article and examining it, to see what I'm missing, and what I should get rid of, and such? ---- DanTD ( talk) 06:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Here's what I've got so far;
The Babylon Branch began as the electrification of the Montauk Branch between Valley Stream and Babylon on May 20, 1925. Eventually, this would also include the former " Springfield Branch" which the Montauk Branch was relocated to northeast of Springfield Junction. The tracks were elevated from the 1950's through the 1970's. The last station to be elevated on the branch was Massapequa Park (LIRR station) on December 13, 1980. [1]
So what am I missing? ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I just scanned an image of 167th Street (IRT Jerome Avenue Line) from Google Street View, and I've come to the conclusion that the best image of that station would be from 167th Street and Gerard Avenue. You'd have to stand in the middle of the crosswalk and hope nobody runs you over, but it'd still be a great shot. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I have expanded in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York#Photography which I think is more appropriate to this more wide ranging topic, with answers to some of the above questions.
Back on topic, File:Van Siclen Avenue BMT Jamaica entrance.JPG is the promised example picture. I went to 167th & Jerome this Sunday, but the sun was setting and my results weren't good. I may try again this week or the next. Tinlinkin ( talk) 10:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Pictures of the old El trains dating back to the turn of the century are available on the Smithsonian website. Can these be capture on freeze frame and uploaded to the appropriate articles? If so, is there a how-to guide available for newbies? Thanks, -- ScottyBerg ( talk) 17:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
There are still plenty of unused, replaced, and orphan images that could be added, and I just hid another image in one of the Fourth Avenue/Ninth Street (New York City Subway) infoboxes. Is this the right one for the BMT Fourth Avenue Line segment? ---- DanTD ( talk) 07:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I made a new combined infobox for Grand Central Terminal. Let me know what you think of it. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
4 | This user takes the 4 train of the New York City Subway. |
I have created a new
userbox for the NYCS: {{
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. Enjoy!
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Just found an interesting historical resource: the 1907 World Almanac, available in its entirety on Google Books. It has an article on the NY subways that I discovered while searching for books mentioning Seventh Avenue. See [8] -- ScottyBerg ( talk) 20:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking about redirecting all redlinks for Jamaica-Beaver Street (LIRR station) and Beaver Street (LIRR station) to Jamaica (LIRR station), but I suspect I'd have to write a whole new chapter or sub-chapter in the Jamaica Station article. Should I redirect them to Jamaica anyway? ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I've already made this request on the proposed mergers page, and now I'm bringing them here:
Let me know what you think of these ideas. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
I redirected the disambig pages to Eighth Avenue (disambiguation) because they were both incomplete disambigations. And I guess the two stations won't be merged anytime soon based on the above. Tinlinkin ( talk) 06:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Today, I finally added colors for the routeboxes for AirTrain Newark (maroon), and AirTrain JFK (yellow). If anybody tries to make real routeboxes out of them, they should be added with the other PATH templates. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
The questions of whether both AirTrain lines can and should be intergrated into Category:Port Authority Trans-Hudson templates should still be considered. ---- DanTD ( talk) 05:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Airtrain is PATH? No. As Oknazevad said above, they are completely separate systems. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 08:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
What do you all think about User:Gfoley4's addition of Google Maps Street View links for station entrances, like here? (Better to bring this up now before it is done on 420+ pages.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 22:10, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, I have posted a message to WikiProject Geographical coordinates (Thanks, Jim). I hope that User:Gfoley4's edits are not in vain, since there are other types of improvements needed for articles (references, anyone?), and these kinds of external links are not a high priority. Tinlinkin ( talk) 01:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Seeing the dullness of the infobox for the New Jersey Transit infoboxes in comparison to lines like Metro North or the Long Island Railroad, I have asked for a good design for the signs used on NJ Transit platforms. They are to the right of this message. The first one, using Great Notch Station as an example is a variant of Helvetica, and is the basic font design. The second is the second-style used by the company, which is the typeface Goudy Old Style. This design is my preference, but it doesn't have to be. They are simple Inkscape designs and follow a file naming system as I'd like to add them to infoboxes for real accuracy. I would like consensus to finish them though and implement them.Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 23:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Anybody have any info on the Long Beach Branch previously sharing trackage with the Montauk Branch and West Hempstead Branch? I've read a few things about this line going there as far back as the late-1950's, and a few things about it on here, but I can't find too much else on when it was moved there, or realigned to the Atlantic Branch. ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
With the elimination of the V and recoloring of the M, and so on, we have to be on the ready to refomat everything accordingly. Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 16:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::We're also going to have to create a new Orange M bullet! —
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Looking over the history for Mountain View station on NJ Transit, considering the Erie and Delaware, Lackawanna both had stations in Mountain View and Mountain View Tower connected the two. Now, should the Mountain View article focus on the Erie one (which is the actual station) or both?Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 20:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Why were these pages moved?
Current consensus is that the stations include the name on the [ official map], plus the line name for disambiguation purposes. Numbers under ten are spelled out. Those stations that are connected by free transfer passageways are combined into a single article with (New York City Subway) at the end. I've notified the two users who made these moves to join this discussion. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, what's up with the map template in the infobox of the New Jersey Transit Gladstone Branch? No matter what you try to do with it, it only shows a non-descript broken line with connections to the Northeast Corridor and Long Island Rail Road. Yet, by itself, the template is in decent shape. ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Per these two references, 1 2 I have removed G service from the Queens Blvd templates, and removed the Queens Blvd line from the G service page. :-(
Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Over on some railfan forum, I read that the Long Island Railroad originally planned to merge Deer Park (LIRR station), Pineaire (LIRR station), and Brentwood (LIRR station) into a single station complex, but Brentwood residents rallied against them, and they settled for merging just Deer Park and Pineaire. Anybody have any evidence of this besides on forums? ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
To make your lives easier in the meantime, I have set up User:Mitchazenia/NYCS navbox - July 2010 for the ready when the service changes on the M-V-W go in effect. Feel free to edit this.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 16:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I finally posted the article for the Central Railroad of Long Island, and I'm sorry to say the thing needs a lot of work. I've tagged the article for maps and cleanup, and I've even tried to reduce some of the repitition in the Central Branch (Long Island Rail Road) article without eliminating some important aspects of it, but it's still not enough. The original version of the Bushwick Branch article may or may not have been better than this. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I recently noticed that the
Template:Hudson Line (Metro-North)-infobox has a lot of closed stations, but one that's missing is the
Croton North (NYCRR station)(
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.206944,-73.894444&spn=0.01,0.01&t=h&q=41.206944,-73.894444) which is currently on the
National Register of Historic Places. Part of the problem is, I have no idea where this corresponds to the Fare Zone 5-6 border, the Croton Yards or the end of electrification.
In the mean time I'd also like to remove this quote;
This is a route-map template for a Long Island Rail Road line.
For information on use of this template, refer to Wikipedia:Route diagram template.
from more of the LIRR line templates, and place them on the sides where they belong. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I really feel, because of their sheer size, templates with the line's route map need to be removed from the station articles. They take up way too much space and make too much white space. The S-line template serves well and if people want that map, they could just go to the line article.Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 01:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Gotta revive this discussion since another revert of DanTD on Ramsey (NJT station). We need to do something about these.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 10:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
To prepare for the MTA's changes in bus service effective 6/27/2010, I have created these pages:
A few questions/notes:
Other boroughs will come soon. Train2104 ( talk) 19:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Staten Island I assumed that the S52 Clyde Place is a terminal. Train2104 ( talk) 00:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Bronx Train2104 ( talk) 01:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
The Brooklyn page is not complete, the Brownstone restructuring is not included yet. Could you please check for errors in all the pages? Train2104 ( talk) 13:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
All 7 pages complete. Train2104 ( talk) 23:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
It's probably time to talk about the stations of the Second Avenue Subway and 7 Subway Extension. The three SAS stations and the 34th Street West Side station are being constructed so I think articles about them can be created now. So then, the naming. I propose:
The reason I broke the rules by choosing "Second Avenue Subway" instead of "IND Second Avenue Line" (or "BMT Second Avenue Line") is because Second Avenue Subway is the popular name of the line, corresponds to the article name, and classifying by a division could be confusing to readers and possibly incorrect, especially since the extension is not considered to be an extension of an existing line (although technically it is) and the construction is post-unification merger. As 34th Street is an extension of an existing line, I have no problem with the "IRT Flushing Line" suffix. Feel free to discuss and debate.
As it stands now, the article Second Avenue Subway is quite convoluted and most of the material is dated. So I would like to request help when the 4 articles are created.
Also semi-related, Seaport (New York City Subway station) is up for deletion. Tinlinkin ( talk) 23:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Why is this station 57th Street – Sixth Avenue listed as being on the IND Sixth Avenue Line? Should it be moved to the IND 63rd Street Line? I can accept that it was a part of the Sixth Avenue line prior to 1989; however it has been connected to the rest of the 63rd Street line since then. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous IP(User:69.250.125.60) is adding passenger traffic at various Long Island Rail Road stations. While I applaud his or her efforts, it seems like some of the stats might be outdated and incomplete. Would anybody be willing to keep an eye on this activity? --- DanTD ( talk) 17:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I just found out that the original roll sign for the 3 train is broken( [9]). That link on the left is what it should look like, apparently. ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I think the title says for itself what I am looking for Benson Street (NJT station), Rowe Street (NJT station), Arlington (NJT station) and when to be created, North Newark (NJT station). Its rather confusing to have it set up as the Montclair-Boonton Line when in reality it wasn't. Should the two lines be separate in s-rail?Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 12:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I am proposing to merge the Saint George (Staten Island Railway station) article into St. George Ferry Terminal. Please use Talk:St. George Ferry Terminal for further discussion. Tinlinkin ( talk) 06:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I've proposed that the BMT Canarsie Line automation page is no longer at the right title. That article is being expanded to include the automation of the IRT Flushing Line. Please go to Talk:BMT Canarsie Line automation for the discussion. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I am going to suggest a move of Gravesend – 86th Street (BMT Sea Beach Line) to 86th Street (BMT Sea Beach Line); see the talk page to discuss. (Posting here to avoid starting a new thread.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 13:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I see the word "bellmouth" in and only in a lot of the NY subway station articles. Is this term accurate for what I think it is, a section of unused tunnel? Tinlinkin ( talk) 10:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
To solve the issues over the gallery tag, which is the adaptation to different screen sizes, I used {{ Gallery}} and it works well. I won't have time to do the conversions soon, so I'm posting the message here. (I'm also using my new computer, so I really notice the difference over the old format.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 13:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of merges, I propose to do this merge, one that I wanted to do before:
I feel comfortable with the Metropolitan/Lorimer ordering as opposed to the other way around, but I can be persuaded otherwise. I was persuaded...
On a related note, I will create the category Category:New York City Subway transfer stations because I've realized that, despite previous reservations, station complexes that are classified in both Category:New York City Subway stations and Category:New York City Subway stations in Manhattan make no sense. Tinlinkin ( talk) 08:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
So I'm going to do the merge to
Lorimer Street / Metropolitan Avenue (New York City Subway) in a few hours tomorrow. I will move the other pages next week.
Tinlinkin (
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00:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I put a pic of stonework into Livingston (Staten Island Railway station). This is in eastern Livingston, halfway between the abundantly stoneworked Snug Harbor Station and Bard Avenue. I'm thinking maybe my File:Bard Av SIRT jeh.JPG actually depicts the western part of the Livingston Station site, while my stonework ramp is an alternate, unlisted (older?) Snug station. Anybody got a clue? Jim.henderson ( talk) 17:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
There is an article about NJT route 981 here: 981 Port Liberte-Grove Street
The article is near-orphaned, and now that the bus route is history, what do you think should be done about it? There is no history entry on the WHEELS page to redirect it to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Train2104 ( talk • contribs) 00:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
User:DReifGalaxyM31 has taken it upon his/herself to merge station complexes. Whether the user was inspired by the recent merges, we don't know. But I am highly annoyed that the merges were done without coordination from the project and other users. (At least the user has the consideration to point to the correct section of articles.) To summarize:
Since User:DReifGalaxyM31 has merged 3 times and is planning to do another one, I am bringing up the remaining station complexes that have not been merged yet. Therefore all of them can be brought up for discussion. In principle, I support having station complexes as one page so there would be no redundancies with other pages and sections about the station complex itself can be created. Please use the sections below to share your thoughts.
I am not going to clean up the merges that have been created, just in case other users disagree with merging any of them. (They must be reconciled with cut-and-paste repair.) Lastly, setting up this post took a lot of time away from other things I wanted to do here, because my time at Wikipedia will be limited. Tinlinkin ( talk) 05:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Use this section to support merging the individual stations into one page, your rationale and to what titles.
Use this section to oppose merging the individual stations into one page.
This space is for further discussion on the subject.
I think there is a consensus to merge most of the articles, except for the Court Square complex (8), Lexington/59th & Lexington/63rd (7), and the Jay/Lawrence complex under construction (9). Next, I requested cut and paste repair for the first three (and they are done), and then I will clean up those articles later today or tomorrow. The remaining three I haven't decided on the course of action yet other than they will be merged. But I urge users to not do the merges as I have more experience in merging. Article naming is still open for discussion, but the first three articles are now at the list of transfer stations name. (I'm feel rather sleepy so that's all I have to say for now. The comments by the administrator at WP:SPLICE, who I think I can recall from the Wikimedia meetup, are interesting and I'll reply to him later today.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 07:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I ask a question with examples: does a closed station like City Hall (IRT Lexington Avenue Line) belong in Category:New York City Subway stations in Manhattan? How about a former el station like Reid Avenue (BMT Fulton Street Line) into Category:New York City Subway stations in Brooklyn? Tinlinkin ( talk) 04:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Over on the List of Long Island Rail Road stations there's a former station named Atlantic Avenue (LIRR station) that redirects to Atlantic Terminal. I don't buy it for a second, first, because there's no evidence that the former Flatbush Avenue (LIRR station) ever had that name, and second, because it's shown to have been on the Long Beach Branch. The only Atlantic Avenue that has anything to do with the Long Beach Branch is near East Rockaway (LIRR station), and so far I can't find any evidence such a station ever existed there(although I'm certainly willing to consider the possibility). ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Courtesy of the Unofficial LIRR History website and their 1948 map. It was between East Rockaway and Oceanside Stations and not on Island Park at all. ---- DanTD ( talk) 21:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
While there's still a thread about the Long Beach Branch, Is there anybody with any info on the Long Beach Branch previously sharing trackage with the Montauk and West Hempstead Branches? I've read a few things about this line going there as far back as the late-1950's, and a few things about it on Main Line station articles between Jamaica and Rockaway Junction, but I can't find too much else on when it was moved there, or realigned to the Atlantic Branch. ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I just photocopied a few pages from the Vincent Seyfreid notes on LIRR history, and they confirm that Atlantic Avenue (LIRR station) was an existing station that was too close to East Rockaway (LIRR station), and was merged into East Rockaway. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Noting that there will be massive reroutings and deletions on the MTA bus network on June 27, I am preparing new articles, but am currently storing them in my sandbox until the date comes, at which time, new articles will be ready. That way, one major edit can be done. -- AEMoreira042281 ( talk) 17:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
The MTA has named the car designation that will replace the R46s when they turn 40 years old...the R211. I created a stub article for it R211 based on the information here for proof (go to page 20).
I will edit the rolling stock navbox based on this new information given. Thanks. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 05:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, I initiated a deletion discussion of the current NYCS bullets at Wikimedia Commons. I believe they are all right under fair use, but not as public domain images, as explained in the link to the deletion discussion. Tinlinkin ( talk) 06:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Over in the Wikisources page, I don't see all the volumes of The Long Island Rail Road: a comprehensive history. There are actually seven of them, as you can see here. ---- DanTD ( talk) 21:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
One of the two images of the Harrison (PATH station) contains a Pennsylvania Railroad logo at the street entrance. Does this mean it was a PRR Station before it was claimed by the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad? Somebody should add a history chapter to the station in order to clear it up. ---- DanTD ( talk) 12:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
With the gradual implementation of the new bus lists for the June 27 service cuts, there will be many broken redirects for the discontinued routes. What should we do about these? Delete them or redirect them to the discontinued/former routes table? Train2104 ( talk) 19:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I have just discovered this template:
{{ queens bus routes}}
It is seriously out of date, and is only transcluded on one page, the Q38 bus article. The Q38 is also the only Queens bus route article not to redirect to the row in the list. The article doesn't provide much historical information either, and most of it is just a detailed route and travel path description.
I think that the template should be deleted and the article returned to its creation state as a redirect. Opinions? Train2104 ( talk) 23:17, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a discrepancy between the titles of the two articles of New York, Susquehanna and Western Railroad station articles. The Susquehanna Transfer article uses an ampersand between S and W while the Hawthorne one does not. Which should be standard? My opinion is dump both and spell out the entire name, headache to pronounce or not, its still correct.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 19:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok, now Butler's article has been moved to Butler (NYS&W station). As far as I know, Butler, Maywood, Hawthorne and Susquehanna Transfer have articles. We should try to get consensus to one naming style. I'd also like to see if Vreeland Avenue is deserving of an article. The structure still stands (like a number of Susquehanna stations) and is proposed for usage by the Passaic-Bergen Rail Line, if that ever happens.Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 18:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I think that we need to be more precise in providing the routes and station locations for defunct transit lines. These are not always accurately or precisely given. I have an old 1935 NYC Red Book, which will help, but that only covers Manhattan and the Bronx. ScottyBerg ( talk) 13:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I know we try not to cover proposed stations, but as a result for the Lackawanna Cut-Off, do we want to write articles for the following: Tobyhanna, East Stroudsburg, Delaware Water Gap, Blairstown, Andover and Greendell? I know Gouldsboro still stands, but that falls under Gouldsboro (Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad station), since NJ Transit won't use it. The next question would be what naming convention would be used for Greendell and does it have enough detail for creating an article. Thoughts?Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 18:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Was just thinking on this. Stations along the Hudson and Harlem lines have split route succession boxes, with separate listings for locals and expresses. I think this is a bad idea. It seems to me that, unlike the subway, there's far too many different permutations of stopping patterns on commuter rail, and that they change too often, for neat splits such as these to work. For example, the succession boxes at Tarrytown (Metro-North station) lists Yonkers as the next stop for express trains towards Grand Central. But a quick glance of the current Hudson Line schedule shows no AM peak trains with that service pattern, and only a handful of PM off-peaks actually going straight from Tarrytown to Yonkers (many stop at Hastings).
In short, "typical" generalizations aren't necessarily all that typical and attempting to cover differing service permutations seems unnecessary. I think readers would be better served by a straight succession of all stations along the line. oknazevad ( talk) 15:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it isn't in NYC but I just uploaded some Jersey City pix to commons:Category:Former railway lines in New Jersey and maybe someone familiar with these abandoned lines can provide identifications or other useful information. Jim.henderson ( talk) 15:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Given that Wikipedia policy encourages the use of common names, do you think that moving Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority to MTA Bridges and Tunnels over the redirect is a good idea? All the other articles (NYCT, LIRR, LIB, MNRR) use their dba names. Train2104 ( talk) 19:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I've been looking at Category:New York City public transportation articles needing images from time to time, and when I found an image of Allerton Avenue (IRT White Plains Road Line) a few days ago, I added it to that article, which brough the image count down to 188. Until I added some images to Hampton Bays (LIRR station) this morning, it was up to 190. So what is being added to this category? ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The Flushing and North Side Railroad finally has an article. Do with it what you will. ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Temporarily I've set Maywood (NYS&W station) to redirect to Maywood Station Museum. However, I have to ask, in continuation of above, do we want to move the article to the Maywood (NYS&W station) title?Mitch32( Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 00:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody think the {{ Long Island Rail Road}} can be added to railroads that were acquired by the LIRR, since it includes those railroads? While we're at it, why isn't the NY&MB on that list? ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I just created a series of bullets for the IRT Eastern Parkway Line infobox( File:NYCS-line-trans-black-EastPkwy.png), but I have a feeling this violates a dozen copyright regulations. So can anybody make a better version that doesn't? ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Should bus routes that have a local and limited pattern be separately designated? IP 24.189.91.116 ( talk) has been adding the LTD designation to various articles. I have reverted the ones on the list of bus routes in xxx articles, but I will leave the subway stations up to you. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 18:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
These LIRR templates are not used, why were they pulled?
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Also, I added {{ Hempstead Branch}} back to Hempstead Branch, but I can't seem to figure out why there is an extra |} at the bottom. Train2104 ( talk) 23:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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23:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)The coordinates given for Jamaica – Van Wyck (IND Archer Avenue Line) are wrong. They place the station at Hillside Avenue( NY 25) and Sutphin Boulevard, the same intersection as Sutphin Boulevard (IND Queens Boulevard Line). ---- DanTD ( talk) 22:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Simple question regarding the train in this image; Is this an M1, M2, or M3? ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
A lot of subway stations are still listed in the category "New York City public transportation articles needing images", because there have artwork that could be exposed, especially if that artwork reduces the chances of the articles being stubs. If adding images of them is a copyright violation, and if there are links availabe to that artwork, perhaps I should remove them from the category. What do the rest of you think? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:46, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I've requested that Lower East Side – Second Avenue (IND Sixth Avenue Line) be moved because the Official Map from the MTA no longer lists the station with the Lower East Side neighborhood identifier due to not being a terminal now. Discussion is on the article's talk page. Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 23:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I was just rummaging through a site called "Vintage Views of New York," and though I found very few views of Long Island on there, I decided to look up other stuff anyway. While I was there, I stumbled upon a postcard for a bridge I never knew existed called the "West Jersey Bridge." Where was this? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Just a FYI, there is currently a discussion going on at Talk: New York City Subway nomenclature about the use of <A> in articles. The thread is here. Gfoley 4 / Wanna chat? 03:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
How close is Military Park (NLR station) to the site of the former Park Place (H&M station) mentioned in the Port Authority Trans-Hudson article? And shouldn't the redlinks of all the former H&M stations be convered to H&M suffixes instead of PATH auffixes? ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I have started a move discussion Talk:New York City transit fares#Requested move to rename it to Transit fares in New York City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Train2104 ( talk • contribs) 22:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I just came across QM12 (New York City Bus). However, the fact that this page went 6 months without anyone other than a NPP seeing it brings me to think that we might as well need to sign WP:NYCPT up for User:AlexNewArtBot's scanning services. I don't know how to write regular expressions, though. What do you think? — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 03:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I have created an article page that can be used once the transfer between the Lawrence Street - MetroTech and Jay Street - Borough Hall stations is completed, when the station is renamed Jay Street - MetroTech'. DReifGalaxyM31 ( talk) 23:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous IP(69.123.10.155) has been trying to add the Atlantic Branch in the services parameter of Valley Stream (LIRR station) infobox, obviously trying to reflect the fact that the station is the terminus of the Atlantic Branch. Should we help him or her edit the thing right, or should we just tell this person to let it be, and explain why it should be left as is? ---- DanTD ( talk) 21:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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For some time, I have thought that there was room for improvement in the tables describing the "lines followed" in each of the subway service articles. The following, for example, appeared in the E Train article:
The following lines are used by the E service:
Line | Tracks | Time |
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IND Archer Avenue Line (full line) | N/A | all times |
IND Queens Boulevard Line north of Briarwood – Van Wyck Boulevard | express | weekdays (rush hours only) |
IND Queens Boulevard Line from Van Wyck Boulevard to Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | mornings, afternoons | |
local | evenings, late nights, and weekends | |
IND Queens Boulevard Line south of Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | express | all times except late nights |
local | late nights | |
IND Eighth Avenue Line from 42nd Street – Port Authority Bus Terminal to World Trade Center | all times |
I felt that if you didn't already know the system pretty well — in other words, if you were actually reading the article and trying to learn something — you would likely find this confusing.
I spent a couple of weeks developing an alternative. I'm sufficiently certain it's an improvement, so I am going to go ahead and boldly insert into the relevant articles. This is what the equivalent passage for the E would look like:
The following table shows the lines used by the E service, with shaded boxes indicating the route at the specified times:
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week days |
week ends |
late nights |
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IND Archer Avenue Line (full line) | Jamaica Center – Parsons / Archer | Jamaica – Van Wyck | all | ||||
IND Queens Boulevard Line | Jamaica – 179th Street | Briarwood – Van Wyck Boulevard | express | ||||
Briarwood – Van Wyck Boulevard | Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | ||||||
local | |||||||
Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | Queens Plaza | express | |||||
local | |||||||
23rd Street – Ely Avenue | 50th Street | all | |||||
IND Eighth Avenue Line | 50th Street | World Trade Center | local |
DReifGalaxyM31 just created a new template for the Dyckman Street service suspension. I find this completely unnecessary since it only affects one station and the only article that needs this template is 191st Street. If anything, we can just add a note on that article's infobox saying that northbound trains do not stop at Dyckman Street until June 2011. I believe this template should be deleted, do you agree? Who here is an administrator who can delete templates? The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 14:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I also mentioned this on WP Trains Image Task Force board: The images of User:Maturelife1 are currently threatened with deletion, over presumed copyright violations. Many are of BART stations, MARTA stations, which doesn't concern the New York Metropolitan Area, but all three Metro-North stations in Mount Vernon, New York are also facing this threat. I strongly advocate replacing them, even if they're not deleted. ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm very surprised to find that there's no article on this subject. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 11:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
{{ Infobox NYCS}} was just moved to {{ Infobox New York City Subway}}. I don't know if there was a consensus or a discuss for this move, but it seems like one editor just took it upon his/herself to change the name. I don't think the move was necessary, but I think it should be reverted with a discussion taking place first. – Dream out loud ( talk) 18:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
The Ocean Electric Railway finally has an article. Fill that baby with whatever detail you may have available. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Since December 8, 2010, the article for the Huntington Railroad has no longer been a redirect. If you have more details, please fill them in. ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
The MTA has changed the URL's to the LIRR stations again. I just tried to look up the lonk for Patchogue (LIRR station), and the one in the template sent me to a "File Not Found" page, instead of here( http://lirr42.mta.info/stationInfo.php?id=124). ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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and most of the links look like they are working now after I adjusted the template. The Patchogue link still doesn't work though. →♠
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The value of this discussion has lost any importance. As a result, I'm invoking WP:IAR & WP:BOLD and shutting this match down. I've watched this discussion from afar and read the edit warring message. To say the least, Fram and DanTD's behavior between this are far from reputable. I highly suggest leaving this alone because if more arguing goes on, this will be at WP:ANI fast. There is precedent to keep these titles, using examples due to the confusion of Hawthorne (NJT station) / Hawthorne (NYSW station) / Hawthorne (Metro-North station). I feel uncomfortable with the level of nonsense. Fram is showing an inability to consider other opinion, and as a result is driving other editors away from the discussion. DanTD knows very well about edit warring (I've been in several) and I highly suggest backing off. This discussion is getting old and nothing is happening but argument. Take the time to calm down and let's get back to expanding these articles, not arguing over their title.Mitch32( Transportation Historian) 15:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Over on the main WP:Trains talk page, User:Sameboat and User:Fram thinks that Merillon Avenue (LIRR station) should be renamed Merillon Avenue, simply because no other articles on Wikipedia are named "Merillon Avenue." Would somebody explain the problem with this? ---- DanTD ( talk) 12:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
These are articles about stations. Unless the station has a name (Penn, GCT, etc.), the article title should clearly represent the fact that this is a station. For most commuter rail stations, the suffix is necessary, since they are names of towns with their own articles (Mineola, Stamford). Some don't refer to names (Merillon Avenue, Country Life Press, Purdy's, etc.), but their titles should really show this is a station by using the suffix. Otherwise, it seems that it's an article about the road/location itself. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 21:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Fulton Street / Broadway – Nassau Street → Fulton Street. Broadway-Nassau Street is now officially Fulton Street. Pacific Coast Highway { happy • merry} 17:19, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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With the opening of 8th Street just 12 days away, I've come up with a question. Considering the station design harkens the old Central Railroad of New Jersey station, shall we cover the history of the original CNJ station here or at West 8th Street (Central Railroad of New Jersey station)? The history of the West 8th Street station as many know is pretty dense, so what would you prefer? Mitch32( Transportation Historian) 19:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm content with the advice. Its just not as easy to get a picture in, especially if you want the station's prime. Now, would it be easier to cover and redirect Bayonne Scoot to 8th Street, to Aldene Plan or keep its own article? Mitch32( Transportation Historian) 22:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
It's great to see that this project has some stable naming conventions. I don't mean to rock things, but one of your guys made an assertion that I question, and I want to see what people here know or think about what's a proper name. See Talk:New York City Subway#Proper_name? where we started talking about it. The question is about the capitalization of "Subway" in New York City Subway and, by extension, "Line" in some related articles, etc. Any background, info, or previous discussions about this, or is it just a project convention to capitalize these? Dicklyon ( talk) 2:18 am, Today (UTC−5)
So should we fix it to be not treated as a proper name? Consider:
Dicklyon ( talk) 05:23, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
There has been posted a move request to de-capitalize the "S" in "New York City Subway". See Talk:New York City Subway. Please direct all comments there. oknazevad ( talk) 21:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Until yesterday, I had no idea how many subway lines needed infoboxes, especially those of the BMT. I've got a hidden one for the BMT Jamaica Line right now, and I recently created a BMT Jamaica bullet compostion for it that I've been trying and to upload into the commons, but they keep rejecting it. I completely forgot how I was able to add the one for the IRT Eastern Parkway Line. Anybody care to whip up some infoboxes and and bullets for them? ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody have any concrete info on the rail gauges used by the Huntington Railroad and Northport Traction Company? Did they have the same tracks as Ocean Electric Railway, Babylon Railroad, Suffolk Traction Company and all the other trolley lines in downstate New York, or did they use something else? --- DanTD ( talk) 01:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that the new Bx4A bus is noted in the List of bus routes in the Bronx article (with the Bx4 listing) but not on the list of bus transfers for subway stations along the Bx4A route (i.e. Third Avenue - 149th Street to Simpson Street on the IRT White Plains Road Line, Whitlock Avenue to Parkchester on the IRT Pelham Line, & Westchester Square - East Tremont Avenue on the IRT Pelham Line). Was there a consensus that it wasn't going to be done? ~kiddRell_ ( talk) 21:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Just like I wrote {{ LIRR links}}, I've now wrote {{ NJT links}}. Could someone help place it on station articles? Just place it, everything else should be automatic. I don't want to do this en masse using AWB, because I have to check each article to make sure the refs don't include the schedule, thereby making the template redundant. Any bugs/typos/mis-generations/broken links, please report on my talkpage. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 02:57, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
After reading MOS:ENDASH, I am suspicious that this project's usage of endashes doesn't exactly follow practices, specifically involving spacing. Endashes in station names are considered disjunctive, but not all of them should be spaced, according to the MOS.
Disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items
That means that we may need to amend our naming conventions and/or move some articles. Also, it says that hyphenated place names should not be using endashes. Therefore, there are several cases we need to address:
Opinions? — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 21:46, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The Clinton-Washington Avs wouldn't be spaced because it stands for "and" (as per role 3 in MOS:ENDASH). i.e. Clinton Avenue & Washington Avenue ~kiddRell_ ( talk) 03:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
As someone who frequents the MoS talk page, I will tell you this about that sausage-making operation. A)The ENDASH section is one of the more controversial, as some rules are inconsistent with general usage from many sources. B)The MoS as whole is full of arbitrary decisions that are based on little more than WP:ILIKEIT arguments. C) It's not law, and needn't be followed as iron clad policy.
The spacing guideline is frequently questioned, but those questions are usually off-handedly dismissed by the entrenched editors who crafted them in the first place. They especially create an issue, in my mind, in that they call for a different typography for dashes performing the exact same function. This doesn't work, as dashes with different spacing – such as these interrupting dashes – have different purposes.
What this means for us is that we should not spend a ridiculous amount of time worrying about spacing dashes. oknazevad ( talk) 05:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
New York and Newark Penn Station have been proposed for renaming. See here for the thread. Cheers, →♠ Gƒoley↔ Four♣← 02:27, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Please enlighten me on what consensus allowed Train2104 and that piece of crap AutoWikiBrowser to go ahead and remove my hard worked citations for timetables in NJ Transit station articles back into external links? It detriments the article when there are no references and useful ones were removed for the external links section, which isn't even a requirement. I have no strength to revert all those edits, and unless he wants to revert them myself, I'd like to call a foul right now on this problem.Mitch32( Erie Railroad Information Hog) 17:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there a way to identify this elevated station? Jim.henderson ( talk) 03:52, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
In real life, I mean. Just a heads-up. http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=208 Larry V ( talk | e-mail) 17:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
We should see the NYCS map on the Main Page in a few minutes, at last!
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A transit map of the New York City Subway, one of the oldest and most extensive public transportation systems in the world. Operated by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority of the State of New York, it has 468 stations in operation on 209 mi (337 km) of routes, with 842 miles (1,355 km) of track. It is the busiest rapid transit rail system by annual ridership in the Western Hemisphere, and fifth busiest in the world. Its stations are located throughout the boroughs of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx. Staten Island has its own rail line which is not part of the system, but is included in the map as well. Map: CountZ
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— Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 23:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, whoever keeps removing the statement about the M train operating in opposite railroad direction on the Jamaica and Myrtle Avenue Lines is at again. (S)he has now tagged the statement with a citation needed sign and threatens to remove it again if we do not find a source for it soon. Does anyone have physical proof about the M's odd service? We know historically that Middle Village - Metropolitan Avenue is the northern terminal of the BMT Myrtle Avenue Line and the M train before June 28, 2010, but is it possible it is now the southern terminal due to the M's new route? Find some proof or we are dead meat. The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 01:17, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Metropolitan Avenue has been the Southern Terminus of the Myrtle avenue line since railroad directions have been defined as North and South in the Eastern Division. It was, however, the Northern Terminus of the M train until 6/27/10. Ironically, the statement I challenged about the M line changing railroad direction was added because of the change which made it obsolete. 98.14.158.206 ( talk) 01:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody here identify the type of train shown in the music video for Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five's "The Message?" ( http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/297920-vlcsnap-2011-04-07-23h09m29s160.png). That roll sign looks like something from the 1940's to me, but the train itself I'm not to sure about. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody identify the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad locmotive shown here at Port Chester Station from the 1950's? It looks like an E7 diesel with the head at both ends. ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The coordinates used for Mount Vernon East (Metro-North station) place the station at Fordham (Metro-North station), so they're way off. BTW, I'm making a gallery for Mount Vernon East station right now. ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Per discussion at WT:TWP, new track gauge categories have been created. Tramway systems fall under these categories, which are sub-cats of Category:Broad gauge railways, Category:Standard gauge railways and Category:Narrow gauge railways. Population of the various gauge categories needs to be done by adding the relevant gauge category to articles. Mjroots ( talk) 08:15, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
(Forgive me if any of you have seen this before, but I’m too impatient to comb through the archives.)
MTA Developer Resources publishes a list of latitude/longitude coordinates for every station exit in the system. In addition to the coordinates, the list contains what I presume are the line designations the MTA uses internally.
You can peruse the original data file if you wish (currently dated 1 July 2010), but I’ve processed out the line and station names and listed them here. — Larry V ( talk | e-mail) 13:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
As some of you know I finally got the chance to return to the New York Metropolitan Area in April 2011. I stayed at a relative's house on Long Island most of the time I was there. Before I arrived, I took pictures of stations in South Carolina, Virginia, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Once I got to Long Island, I went to the city and snapped some pics of the two remaining IND Queens Boulevard Line stations with no images; 36th Street (IND Queens Boulevard Line) and 75th Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line), both of which now have galleries. I'd love to pat myself on the back and say that the line is fully illustrated, but I later read some old messages on the talk page of Jamaica – 179th Street (IND Queens Boulevard Line) seeking a replacement image. If I knew that there were people seeking one, I might've taken one there. I also took some of Locust Manor (LIRR station), which has a gallery of it's own as of Saturday May 21, 2011.
Besides Locust Manor station, I also captured some for Locust Valley (LIRR station), Merillon Avenue (LIRR station), Freeport (LIRR station), and Merrick (LIRR station), but not Baldwin (LIRR station). I really wanted this one, because it would not only give the station an image, but would add another pic to the Baldwin, New York commons category. Luckily, I successfully replaced the image of the old shelter at Great River (LIRR station) with a more contemporary structure, and a small gallery. I was hoping to get one of the station house at Stony Brook (LIRR station) but I was moving too fast.
The IRT Lenox Avenue Line is now fully illustrated, but I wasn't able to get the pic of the street-level entrance of Harlem – 148th Street (IRT Lenox Avenue Line) that I wanted, because it was as blurry as all hell. So I had to substitute it with one from the platforms. I did ad a new image to the 145th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) gallery, and even added two to 103rd Street – Corona Plaza (IRT Flushing Line) station's gallery, which only had one image until that point. 111th Street (IRT Flushing Line) station needs more images for that gallery, and I think I have an idea or two on where some can be shot.
The three Metro-North Railroad stations in Mount Vernon, New York had images that were deleted over questionable copyright issues during the winter. Jim Henderson took care of the one for Fleetwood (Metro-North station) before I came here, so I passed that one over and took care of the one at Mount Vernon West (Metro-North station), My original plan was to replicate the previous picture, but I found that the one I took was much better. I can't say the same for Mount Vernon East (Metro-North station), but I still had some decent shots there, and I created galleries for both. There is one other image along the New Haven Line in Mount Vernon that's quite the relic; File:Mount Vernon East-11,000 Volts.JPG which warns of an 11,000 voltage. It looks like it was installed by the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad itself.
I'm still bummed that I didn't capture images of Baldwin, Bridgehampton, Bellport, Mastic-Shirley, Amagansett, and the former Water Mill LIRR stations, or the Pelham and Derby-Shelton Metro-North stations. The old Mattituck "produce storage" facility would've been nice too, as would have been Hollis and Country Life Press stations on the Hempstead Branch. The only thing keeping me from taking pics for the remaining articles on the IND Crosstown Line was a malfunction on the G Train. Sorry I couldn't replace Woodmere (LIRR station). Maybe next time. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I have gone through and changed the next stop directions on all M line only stations in the eastern division. (i.e The Myrtle line) This is very cut and dry as there is no real disagreement here. Before I go through and change the directions for the portion on broadway, I figured we should discuss what the proper way to show directions is here. As I see it, there are two ways we could go about doing it. One is leave the J as it is, and change the direction of the M line from Essex to Myrtle. This would be correct as to service directions, but would be a bit messy at all stops from Essex to Myrtle. The other option is to change the direction of both the J and M, which would be correct as to railroad direction. This would be REALLY messy for Chambers Street station, where the next stop is south regardless of which direction the J is going. I'm unsure as to which is better, but regardless of the choice made, one must be taken as the status quo is factually incorrect. 67.247.23.150 ( talk) 05:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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I came up with another idea today, which I think would be ideal, although would require a bit more work(making a new template for just these stations). We could simply change the template for the stations from Marcy to Myrtle to read Towards Manhattan and Towards Queens instead of north and south. 67.247.23.150 ( talk) 22:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
The first problem here is not that Marcy–Myrtle is screwed up, it's that the Jamaica Line articles are using service directions (north to Jamaica Center) when they should be using railroad directions, according to the parameters of Template:Infobox NYCS. If they were using railroad directions, we wouldn't have this particular problem. (Then again, using railroad directions for BMT Nassau Street/Jamaica would introduce arguably bigger problems at Chambers Street and along Archer Avenue.) Should we change Template:Infobox NYCS/doc to specify that "north/south" are service directions, not railroad directions? Larry V ( talk | e-mail) 19:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Because the link for 2010 annual ridership per station includes 2009's data and the percent change, having the second ref tag is unnecessary. Geoking 66 talk 20:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_City_Subway_yards Different criteria have obviously been used to determine which services are served by which yards. Some yards list only the services which are based out of that yard for maintenance purposes, while other yards list all services which use the yard even if only for storage. I think we should separate out the services into two columns, one for storage, one for maintenance. 128.122.2.41 ( talk) 13:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)