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I saw on the NYC Meetup page that there is a possibility for planning a subway photography event over the summer. That means there's a push to get photographs of the subway on Wikiepdia. I'm a pretty avid city photographer and would like to help...is there any sort of list of what Wikipedia is looking for pictures of? FlyingPenguin1 ( talk) 21:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello, as the coordinator of Wikipedia Takes the Subway, if you come to the next New York meetup, we will be setting a date for the second event. The list will be revealed there, so people don't spoil the event and grab all the pictures in advance. :P Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 18:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Shappy, you should notice that I added additional articles to the category of needed images. I won't be coming to the event as I have to constantly assist my grandmother. I need to know if I should complete with the inventory before you commence the event and whether you plan to get photos of all NYCS (and other) stations this time around. And have you considered taking photos of MTA Arts for Transit as I have suggested? Tinlinkin ( talk) 02:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I just found something out; Whoever takes pictures of Tremont Avenue (IND Concourse Line) and adds them to that article, will remove the last station in the Category:New York City public transportation articles needing images that starts with "T." In addition, whoever takes one for Island Park (LIRR station) will eliminate all stations in that category that starts with "I." I want to make Island Park and Oceanside (LIRR station) part of my hit list when I come back up in June 2009, but if anybody ever finds an opening date for 8th Street (HBLR station), they should snap it up, and eliminate all stations that start with "8." ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
New York City transit fares need updating with sourced info about the fare increase. Thanks! Acps110 ( talk) 02:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
In all the time I've been participating in WikiProject New York City Public Transportation, I've wondered why nobody has ever added an article on the 165th Street Bus Terminal in Jamaica, or at least made it a chapter in another MTA/NYCT Bus-related article. What gives? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I just started working on a new version of the infobox for Penn Station, but rather than clutter up this talk page with it, I'd rather lead you to the version in my sandbox so you can see it for yourselves. Let me know what you think of it. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone knows of this, but here are ridership counts for every bus route operated by NYCT for last year. Pacific Coast Highway { spring • ahead} 19:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel rather uncomfortable with edits regarding the types of subway cars that are used on services or lines. Is there a way to verify the car types used for particular parts of the system that are not simply by observation? Tinlinkin ( talk) 09:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify my position: my question did not call for the deletion of such edits (yet). (Although I would not oppose deletion.) Rather, it was meant for me to understand the (mild) edit war that has happened in the subway service articles, and to look for a solution or compromise. There may be a perfectly valid rationale for inclusion: if a subway car article says "so-and-so car model runs on ... lines," why not include it in the line/service articles? Makes sense to me, but such a statement needs to be verified using a Wikipedia-grade reliable source, and if it can't, an editor is in her/his right to delete it—especially if it is a hindrance to the quality of the article. The grandfathering period of allowing unverified statements may end without warning, here as in anywhere, based on what I've seen elsewhere on Wikipedia. I'm just looking into the future and trying not to be an alarmist at the same time. Tinlinkin ( talk) 09:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I think this is the closest we are going to get to an "official" source. I just pulled it up and Joe updated it yesterday. Joe worked for NYCTA, and still has connections to current workers. His page is based on the official info from NYCTA. There are other articles out there too, but less detailed in terms of time. I'd like to see rolling stock included in the service articles, to ease cross-referencing. Maybe we could add the phrase (As of Month Year, this service uses these cars.) Once the R160 delivery is complete, the assignments will settle down until the next fleet begins arriving. I disagree with The transitory nature of them as a basis for exclusion. Services are just as transitory recently, for example, E to Jamaica Center instead of Jamaica-179th (1988), swap the B and C in the north (late 1990s), swap the B & D in Brooklyn (2004), N and W local and express swap (2004), discontinue the 9 (2005), etc. We have references for those, so of course they are included. I don't think we need ONE source for car information, multiple ones will strengthen the case for inclusion (and maybe a history of cars used on a particular service.) Acps110 ( talk) 19:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
First, JoeKorner is a railbuff site which is neither more or less "authoritative" than any other blog - hence inappropriate for wikipedia. Second, saying that "this line is served by R46s" is meaningless trivia relevant to only a few people without explanation or context. That the lettered lines on the NYC Subway have larger cars is important; the car's contract number is meaningless unless linked to some reference and context. If "JoeKorner" would like to post actual TA memos that can be cited, let him do that first.
For example, one could say that the F train route can utilize 60' or 75' subway cars, and among the cars used have been models that introduced innovations (not all of which were successful). Gene Sansome's book on subway rolling stock is an authoritative source that can be cited; if the transit agency has press releases or memos that are now public these can be cited too. An article about the R160 car's features and why they are important can be backed up by material published or released by Alstom, the manufacturer. Raryel ( talk) 15:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Are nearby post offices notable enough to be mentioned in subway station articles? Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 22:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I've taken a bit of break for a while, and things have gotten sort of messy. The point is, something needs to be done to clean up the express bus table. The current table, looks like this:
Route | Service | Terminals | Manhattan streets traveled |
Staten Island streets traveled |
Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
X1
|
|
Eltingville Transit Center |
Midtown Manhattan Central Park South |
5 Avenue/6 Avenue, Broadway | Hylan Boulevard, Richmond Avenue |
|
I would like to revise it to look like this:
Route | Terminals | via | Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|
x1
[2]
|
Midtown Manhattan Central Park South and Seventh Avenue |
Eltingville Transit Center | In Manhattan: Sixth Avenue (NB) & Fifth Avenue, Broadway (SB) In Staten Island: Hylan Boulevard, Richmond Avenue |
|
The new table would do away with the two separate column listing for the streets used along the route, and the service column, which could easily be replaced with something in the notes to the effect of "Daily service" as seen above, or something more fleshed out, like here. Pacific Coast Highway { spring • ahead} 14:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I need second opinions on how I should split List of New York City Subway stations, which is way too long. Tinlinkin ( talk) 07:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Split it into divisions, A Div. and B Div. Hope that helps. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 13:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
How about splitting the text off, and getting rid of some of the colors? -- NE2 15:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I have my list; is there any place I should post it? Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 13:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, if Shappy or anyone else is interested in posting lists of other kinds of stations that need photos;
And if need be, I'll create one for New Jersey Transit, and Hudson-Bergen Light Rail. ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
And if the River Line were part of this project, I'd add that too. ---- DanTD ( talk) 19:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The 5 train will be extended to Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn during midday hours starting next week on Monday. Do you guys think that the changes should be reflected on the article now or until Monday? — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 23:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and updated the table. I eliminated the diamond as it is no longer used in the system. Using it in the article would give people the impression that the line still used diamonds, which would lead to a disaster. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 04:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody have a copy of Lost Trolleys of Queens and Long Island by Stephen L. Meyers? I've found it somewhat useful for tracking former trolley lines. ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like a good source. Consider checking the library for it...you may find other things pertaining to the same subject. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 21:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The most recent addition to Roosevelt Island Tramway was the following: "In July of 2009 the RIOC decided to sell the tramway on a goverment auction website [link removed]". To me, this appears dubious as I could not find any news sources regarding this. Plus the starting bid is $1,500? I am tempted to remove it. (Unless it is part of the tram modernization program, in which case the auction link is still inappropriate as other sources should discuss the sale.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 10:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Per a suggestion from my talk page, I believe spaces are needed between dashes when individual items have internal spaces within them. This affects:
This does NOT affect an en dash that is used as a conjunction, as in Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway). Are there any problems with this and am I missing things? Tinlinkin ( talk) 11:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
When I started moving page titles, I did not hear any objections. That changed when another user is trying to finish what I started (in good faith).
I figured that as the use of a slash is almost the same as an en dash punctuation-wise, and we agreed when to use such, adjusting the spacing of a slash would be as uncontroversial as that of an en dash. In other words, following WP:SLASH is almost identical to WP:ENDASH (regarding items with internal spaces), which we agreed upon. I need to know what is the correct punctuation of the following:
These are/were the names of pages before today. The Jamaica Center one I was unsure about, and I would have brought that one here anyway. So, please, what are the correct titles? Tinlinkin ( talk) 11:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering about the Newark Light Rail station articles. I noticed that articles for stations along the original City Subway line use the disambiguator (NCS Station). I was thinking that they should be moved to use the (NLR Station) disambiguator instead, like the stations along the Broad Street extension, as the whole system is called the Newark Light Rail now, with no real public distinction between the two routes.
I believe the difference arises from confusion over the proper names of the service from when the Broad Street Line opened a few years ago. It was at time that the Newark Light Rail name was introduced, and some understood that the new name applied only to the Broad Street line, but, as the timetables show, it is for the whole system. As such, I think our article titles here should reflect that change.
Thoughts? oknazevad ( talk) 21:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
So I've completed the moves. Some of the templates need to be updated to avoid the redirects, as they don't use standard wikilinks, but I don't know the location or formating of the templates. oknazevad ( talk) 18:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think an article about the Union Square wreck should be created? I don't see why not as it was a significant event in transit history, much like the Malbone Street Wreck was, and still is. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 16:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's some information, and [3] probably has more than you'll know what to do with. -- NE2 07:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I hate to gravedig but I'm still contemplating on whether to create an article like this or not. Would it be okay? — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 02:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Bringing here another topic from my talk page: What is the best way to go about standardizing the disambiguation of New York City Subway stations? User:Tinlinkin/Subway disambiguation contains all the pages that would need to be created for a table/section in List of New York City Subway stations. Currently, there are three kinds of formats for existing pages:
Entries are also varied from page to page. So it's kind of a mess right now. Tinlinkin ( talk) 01:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've got a list of Stations on the Central Railroad of Long Island that are ready for the taking, if not almost ready. If anybody is working on a CRRLI article, go ahead and take it for yourself. I've also got one for the Flushing and North Side Railroad if anybody's working on that. ---- DanTD ( talk) 19:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I propose the IRT New Lots Line be moved to IRT Livonia Avenue Line. This would follow the convention of other "avenue" named lines in the IRT which otherwise would be unnammed... Dyre Ave, Jerome Ave, Lenox Ave, Nostrand Ave, White Plains Rd, etc. Acps110 ( talk) 06:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
As of late there has been progress in cleaning up some of the bus route tables. And the others are starting to look messy. This snippet comes from the Queens chart:
Route | Operator | Terminals | Streets traveled | History and Notes | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Q83*
[3]
|
NYCT | Local service | ||||
Jamaica 153 Street and Hillside Avenue |
↔ |
Queens Village 114 Road and 227 Street |
Liberty Avenue, Murdock Avenue, and Springfield Boulevard |
| ||
Limited-stop service | ||||||
Jamaica 153 Street and Hillside Avenue |
← AM ---- → PM |
Queens Village 114 Road and 227 Street |
Liberty Avenue, Murdock Avenue, and Springfield Boulevard |
|
This is probably the best of the worst. Other routes in the table suffer from having too much info, to the point where it has to be placed in smaller fonts. I would like to introduce a standard format for the tables, and change them to a format similar to the recently revised express tables. Here's my pitch for the format:
Route | Operator | Terminals | Streets traveled | Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Q5
[4]
|
NYCT | North Terminal Intersection or Major landmark 1 times when service operates to this terminal (if applicable) |
South Terminal Intersection or Major landmark 1 |
Sample Avenue, Example Boulevard 2 |
|
Notes:
This is what the finished product would look like:
Route | Operator | Terminals | Streets traveled | Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Q5
[5]
|
NYCT | Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer subway station |
Valley Stream Green Acres Mall |
Merrick Boulevard |
|
Rosedale LIRR station weekdays and late nights only |
This is a rough draft, spacing issues will be worked out later.
Comments? Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs} 19:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
As you may be aware of already, express service on the Brighton Line is suspended for about two years due to rehabilitation at various stations along the line. The B entry was updated by User:Newkirk Plaza David to reflect this. This was later reverted by User:The Legendary Ranger, under the reasoning that it's "not a permanent change, even if it is long term". I later reverted, saying that it was a long enough change in service to warrant reprinting of schedules and changes of station signage to reflect it. I also added a citation from the New York Post. The change was later reverted by The Legendary Ranger, without explanation. I restored the unexplained deletion of content, which was again deleted by a IP saying that "the content has been moved to the asteris [sic]". Since we don't have a concrete guideline about how to note changes in service, I'm not sure what should be said about the local service going forward. I suggest that since this is a long-term service change, the previous version should be used. Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs} 16:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
The fact is there is no regular express B service for more than a few (2–3) months. Thus it is misleading and dishonest to say there is express service for the duration of this project, including the present time; this means that the article for the B ought to include the local stops in its station listing, and the station articles updated as well. So I support Pacific Coast Highway's version. There is no problem in saying that the B normally provides express service. [A note of caution: "Temporary" is such a subjective and unreliable term (compare with Amtrak's Sunset Limited east of New Orleans or SEPTA's R8 north of Fox Chase). Since we (per the MTA) are able to anticipate when the express service suspension ends, the word "temporary" is qualified for use here.] Tinlinkin ( talk) 12:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
On another topic related to the Brighton Line, I recently made a major mistake by submitting File:Brightonbeachstation.jpg to the commons. This had no rights reserved, and I had no idea that this meant that they would question the copyright status in the commons. Is there any tag that you know of that can replace this, and if not, can the image be preserved in any way? ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody create a color bar & infoboxes for the Atlantic City Express Service trains? ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys. (I haven't been here in a long, loooooooooong time, wow!!!)
It's come to my attention that after bolding the subway service (e.g. Q) was deemed unacceptable back in 2007, we changed out project's MOs to non-bold the subway line. However, I've seen some articles where the lines are bolded however.
Even so, it still causes some sort of confusion in the article text (to me, a least) when the line is referred to in the article. I was thinking: why not surround the route in parentheses (e.g. (Q), (1), (5) or (L))? Would Wikipedia find this acceptable? I mean, the diamond services are referred to diamond service by means of those weird arrow thingies (<6>, <7>). Why not expand these to the regular routes? — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 02:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, is this image( http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=251218) one of the Culver Line ramp as I suspect? ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Does the New Jersey Transit's Meadowlands Rail Line have an official color? Because I'd like to recommend dark blue as the color bar, the same one as that of the New York Giants. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Somebody finally created an article on the LIRR Bushwick Branch. I was planning something like this myself, but I had to convert the sandbox I planned for it into nothing but a station list, that will be good for taking once all the inappropriate stations are removed. ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Somebody deleted the Long Island Rail Road, Metro-North Railroad and New Jersey Transit-style parameters on the infoboxes!! I'm going to bring this to the main WikiProject Trains borad as well! ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I had begun to replace the standard legend in Template:Infobox NYCS with a customized one using Template:NYCS infobox legend. Example: East 180th Street (IRT White Plains Road Line). If someone wants to help me do this to the other articles, I would appreciate it. (I obviously waited until now to say this because I don't trust User:Jimmy Slade with this task.) I have already done all stations north of this one. Otherwise I'll do the task at a later date. Tinlinkin ( talk) 03:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
{{ NYCS infobox legend | service1 = {{ NYCS [SERVICE 1] | time=legend }} | service2 = {{ NYCS [SERVICE 2] | time=legend }} | service3 = {{ NYCS [SERVICE 3] | time=legend | exclude=M }} <!-- "exclude" is another minor implementation issue for myself --> ... }}
I deleted the CRRLI station list sandbox, and decided to concentrate on the whole article for the Central Railroad of Long Island. I admit, I swiped a lot of the text from other articles on lines that were part of it, but please let me know what many of you think of it so far. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Anybody got a name for this small yard on the waterfront of northern Sunset Park? I only found a track leading across Third Avenue and into the Culver Trench (Hmm, how come Wikipedia doesn't explicitly mention Culver Trench?) so I assumed it's a remnant of steam operation on the Culver Line, hence classified it with BMT, but on the other hand it hasn't been electrified so maybe it's NY&A. Jim.henderson ( talk) 19:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
According to http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/sbr.html it's the 39th Street Yard. (By the way, the South Brooklyn was a BRT/BMT subsidiary.) Current trackage can be seen on OpenStreetMap. -- NE2 11:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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I saw on the NYC Meetup page that there is a possibility for planning a subway photography event over the summer. That means there's a push to get photographs of the subway on Wikiepdia. I'm a pretty avid city photographer and would like to help...is there any sort of list of what Wikipedia is looking for pictures of? FlyingPenguin1 ( talk) 21:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello, as the coordinator of Wikipedia Takes the Subway, if you come to the next New York meetup, we will be setting a date for the second event. The list will be revealed there, so people don't spoil the event and grab all the pictures in advance. :P Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 18:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Shappy, you should notice that I added additional articles to the category of needed images. I won't be coming to the event as I have to constantly assist my grandmother. I need to know if I should complete with the inventory before you commence the event and whether you plan to get photos of all NYCS (and other) stations this time around. And have you considered taking photos of MTA Arts for Transit as I have suggested? Tinlinkin ( talk) 02:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I just found something out; Whoever takes pictures of Tremont Avenue (IND Concourse Line) and adds them to that article, will remove the last station in the Category:New York City public transportation articles needing images that starts with "T." In addition, whoever takes one for Island Park (LIRR station) will eliminate all stations in that category that starts with "I." I want to make Island Park and Oceanside (LIRR station) part of my hit list when I come back up in June 2009, but if anybody ever finds an opening date for 8th Street (HBLR station), they should snap it up, and eliminate all stations that start with "8." ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
New York City transit fares need updating with sourced info about the fare increase. Thanks! Acps110 ( talk) 02:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
In all the time I've been participating in WikiProject New York City Public Transportation, I've wondered why nobody has ever added an article on the 165th Street Bus Terminal in Jamaica, or at least made it a chapter in another MTA/NYCT Bus-related article. What gives? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I just started working on a new version of the infobox for Penn Station, but rather than clutter up this talk page with it, I'd rather lead you to the version in my sandbox so you can see it for yourselves. Let me know what you think of it. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone knows of this, but here are ridership counts for every bus route operated by NYCT for last year. Pacific Coast Highway { spring • ahead} 19:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel rather uncomfortable with edits regarding the types of subway cars that are used on services or lines. Is there a way to verify the car types used for particular parts of the system that are not simply by observation? Tinlinkin ( talk) 09:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify my position: my question did not call for the deletion of such edits (yet). (Although I would not oppose deletion.) Rather, it was meant for me to understand the (mild) edit war that has happened in the subway service articles, and to look for a solution or compromise. There may be a perfectly valid rationale for inclusion: if a subway car article says "so-and-so car model runs on ... lines," why not include it in the line/service articles? Makes sense to me, but such a statement needs to be verified using a Wikipedia-grade reliable source, and if it can't, an editor is in her/his right to delete it—especially if it is a hindrance to the quality of the article. The grandfathering period of allowing unverified statements may end without warning, here as in anywhere, based on what I've seen elsewhere on Wikipedia. I'm just looking into the future and trying not to be an alarmist at the same time. Tinlinkin ( talk) 09:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I think this is the closest we are going to get to an "official" source. I just pulled it up and Joe updated it yesterday. Joe worked for NYCTA, and still has connections to current workers. His page is based on the official info from NYCTA. There are other articles out there too, but less detailed in terms of time. I'd like to see rolling stock included in the service articles, to ease cross-referencing. Maybe we could add the phrase (As of Month Year, this service uses these cars.) Once the R160 delivery is complete, the assignments will settle down until the next fleet begins arriving. I disagree with The transitory nature of them as a basis for exclusion. Services are just as transitory recently, for example, E to Jamaica Center instead of Jamaica-179th (1988), swap the B and C in the north (late 1990s), swap the B & D in Brooklyn (2004), N and W local and express swap (2004), discontinue the 9 (2005), etc. We have references for those, so of course they are included. I don't think we need ONE source for car information, multiple ones will strengthen the case for inclusion (and maybe a history of cars used on a particular service.) Acps110 ( talk) 19:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
First, JoeKorner is a railbuff site which is neither more or less "authoritative" than any other blog - hence inappropriate for wikipedia. Second, saying that "this line is served by R46s" is meaningless trivia relevant to only a few people without explanation or context. That the lettered lines on the NYC Subway have larger cars is important; the car's contract number is meaningless unless linked to some reference and context. If "JoeKorner" would like to post actual TA memos that can be cited, let him do that first.
For example, one could say that the F train route can utilize 60' or 75' subway cars, and among the cars used have been models that introduced innovations (not all of which were successful). Gene Sansome's book on subway rolling stock is an authoritative source that can be cited; if the transit agency has press releases or memos that are now public these can be cited too. An article about the R160 car's features and why they are important can be backed up by material published or released by Alstom, the manufacturer. Raryel ( talk) 15:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Are nearby post offices notable enough to be mentioned in subway station articles? Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 22:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I've taken a bit of break for a while, and things have gotten sort of messy. The point is, something needs to be done to clean up the express bus table. The current table, looks like this:
Route | Service | Terminals | Manhattan streets traveled |
Staten Island streets traveled |
Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
X1
|
|
Eltingville Transit Center |
Midtown Manhattan Central Park South |
5 Avenue/6 Avenue, Broadway | Hylan Boulevard, Richmond Avenue |
|
I would like to revise it to look like this:
Route | Terminals | via | Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|
x1
[2]
|
Midtown Manhattan Central Park South and Seventh Avenue |
Eltingville Transit Center | In Manhattan: Sixth Avenue (NB) & Fifth Avenue, Broadway (SB) In Staten Island: Hylan Boulevard, Richmond Avenue |
|
The new table would do away with the two separate column listing for the streets used along the route, and the service column, which could easily be replaced with something in the notes to the effect of "Daily service" as seen above, or something more fleshed out, like here. Pacific Coast Highway { spring • ahead} 14:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I need second opinions on how I should split List of New York City Subway stations, which is way too long. Tinlinkin ( talk) 07:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Split it into divisions, A Div. and B Div. Hope that helps. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 13:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
How about splitting the text off, and getting rid of some of the colors? -- NE2 15:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I have my list; is there any place I should post it? Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 13:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, if Shappy or anyone else is interested in posting lists of other kinds of stations that need photos;
And if need be, I'll create one for New Jersey Transit, and Hudson-Bergen Light Rail. ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
And if the River Line were part of this project, I'd add that too. ---- DanTD ( talk) 19:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The 5 train will be extended to Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn during midday hours starting next week on Monday. Do you guys think that the changes should be reflected on the article now or until Monday? — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 23:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and updated the table. I eliminated the diamond as it is no longer used in the system. Using it in the article would give people the impression that the line still used diamonds, which would lead to a disaster. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 04:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody have a copy of Lost Trolleys of Queens and Long Island by Stephen L. Meyers? I've found it somewhat useful for tracking former trolley lines. ---- DanTD ( talk) 23:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like a good source. Consider checking the library for it...you may find other things pertaining to the same subject. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 21:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The most recent addition to Roosevelt Island Tramway was the following: "In July of 2009 the RIOC decided to sell the tramway on a goverment auction website [link removed]". To me, this appears dubious as I could not find any news sources regarding this. Plus the starting bid is $1,500? I am tempted to remove it. (Unless it is part of the tram modernization program, in which case the auction link is still inappropriate as other sources should discuss the sale.) Tinlinkin ( talk) 10:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Per a suggestion from my talk page, I believe spaces are needed between dashes when individual items have internal spaces within them. This affects:
This does NOT affect an en dash that is used as a conjunction, as in Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway). Are there any problems with this and am I missing things? Tinlinkin ( talk) 11:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
When I started moving page titles, I did not hear any objections. That changed when another user is trying to finish what I started (in good faith).
I figured that as the use of a slash is almost the same as an en dash punctuation-wise, and we agreed when to use such, adjusting the spacing of a slash would be as uncontroversial as that of an en dash. In other words, following WP:SLASH is almost identical to WP:ENDASH (regarding items with internal spaces), which we agreed upon. I need to know what is the correct punctuation of the following:
These are/were the names of pages before today. The Jamaica Center one I was unsure about, and I would have brought that one here anyway. So, please, what are the correct titles? Tinlinkin ( talk) 11:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering about the Newark Light Rail station articles. I noticed that articles for stations along the original City Subway line use the disambiguator (NCS Station). I was thinking that they should be moved to use the (NLR Station) disambiguator instead, like the stations along the Broad Street extension, as the whole system is called the Newark Light Rail now, with no real public distinction between the two routes.
I believe the difference arises from confusion over the proper names of the service from when the Broad Street Line opened a few years ago. It was at time that the Newark Light Rail name was introduced, and some understood that the new name applied only to the Broad Street line, but, as the timetables show, it is for the whole system. As such, I think our article titles here should reflect that change.
Thoughts? oknazevad ( talk) 21:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
So I've completed the moves. Some of the templates need to be updated to avoid the redirects, as they don't use standard wikilinks, but I don't know the location or formating of the templates. oknazevad ( talk) 18:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think an article about the Union Square wreck should be created? I don't see why not as it was a significant event in transit history, much like the Malbone Street Wreck was, and still is. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 16:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's some information, and [3] probably has more than you'll know what to do with. -- NE2 07:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I hate to gravedig but I'm still contemplating on whether to create an article like this or not. Would it be okay? — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 02:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Bringing here another topic from my talk page: What is the best way to go about standardizing the disambiguation of New York City Subway stations? User:Tinlinkin/Subway disambiguation contains all the pages that would need to be created for a table/section in List of New York City Subway stations. Currently, there are three kinds of formats for existing pages:
Entries are also varied from page to page. So it's kind of a mess right now. Tinlinkin ( talk) 01:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've got a list of Stations on the Central Railroad of Long Island that are ready for the taking, if not almost ready. If anybody is working on a CRRLI article, go ahead and take it for yourself. I've also got one for the Flushing and North Side Railroad if anybody's working on that. ---- DanTD ( talk) 19:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I propose the IRT New Lots Line be moved to IRT Livonia Avenue Line. This would follow the convention of other "avenue" named lines in the IRT which otherwise would be unnammed... Dyre Ave, Jerome Ave, Lenox Ave, Nostrand Ave, White Plains Rd, etc. Acps110 ( talk) 06:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
As of late there has been progress in cleaning up some of the bus route tables. And the others are starting to look messy. This snippet comes from the Queens chart:
Route | Operator | Terminals | Streets traveled | History and Notes | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Q83*
[3]
|
NYCT | Local service | ||||
Jamaica 153 Street and Hillside Avenue |
↔ |
Queens Village 114 Road and 227 Street |
Liberty Avenue, Murdock Avenue, and Springfield Boulevard |
| ||
Limited-stop service | ||||||
Jamaica 153 Street and Hillside Avenue |
← AM ---- → PM |
Queens Village 114 Road and 227 Street |
Liberty Avenue, Murdock Avenue, and Springfield Boulevard |
|
This is probably the best of the worst. Other routes in the table suffer from having too much info, to the point where it has to be placed in smaller fonts. I would like to introduce a standard format for the tables, and change them to a format similar to the recently revised express tables. Here's my pitch for the format:
Route | Operator | Terminals | Streets traveled | Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Q5
[4]
|
NYCT | North Terminal Intersection or Major landmark 1 times when service operates to this terminal (if applicable) |
South Terminal Intersection or Major landmark 1 |
Sample Avenue, Example Boulevard 2 |
|
Notes:
This is what the finished product would look like:
Route | Operator | Terminals | Streets traveled | Notes/History | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Q5
[5]
|
NYCT | Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer subway station |
Valley Stream Green Acres Mall |
Merrick Boulevard |
|
Rosedale LIRR station weekdays and late nights only |
This is a rough draft, spacing issues will be worked out later.
Comments? Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs} 19:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
As you may be aware of already, express service on the Brighton Line is suspended for about two years due to rehabilitation at various stations along the line. The B entry was updated by User:Newkirk Plaza David to reflect this. This was later reverted by User:The Legendary Ranger, under the reasoning that it's "not a permanent change, even if it is long term". I later reverted, saying that it was a long enough change in service to warrant reprinting of schedules and changes of station signage to reflect it. I also added a citation from the New York Post. The change was later reverted by The Legendary Ranger, without explanation. I restored the unexplained deletion of content, which was again deleted by a IP saying that "the content has been moved to the asteris [sic]". Since we don't have a concrete guideline about how to note changes in service, I'm not sure what should be said about the local service going forward. I suggest that since this is a long-term service change, the previous version should be used. Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs} 16:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
The fact is there is no regular express B service for more than a few (2–3) months. Thus it is misleading and dishonest to say there is express service for the duration of this project, including the present time; this means that the article for the B ought to include the local stops in its station listing, and the station articles updated as well. So I support Pacific Coast Highway's version. There is no problem in saying that the B normally provides express service. [A note of caution: "Temporary" is such a subjective and unreliable term (compare with Amtrak's Sunset Limited east of New Orleans or SEPTA's R8 north of Fox Chase). Since we (per the MTA) are able to anticipate when the express service suspension ends, the word "temporary" is qualified for use here.] Tinlinkin ( talk) 12:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
On another topic related to the Brighton Line, I recently made a major mistake by submitting File:Brightonbeachstation.jpg to the commons. This had no rights reserved, and I had no idea that this meant that they would question the copyright status in the commons. Is there any tag that you know of that can replace this, and if not, can the image be preserved in any way? ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody create a color bar & infoboxes for the Atlantic City Express Service trains? ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys. (I haven't been here in a long, loooooooooong time, wow!!!)
It's come to my attention that after bolding the subway service (e.g. Q) was deemed unacceptable back in 2007, we changed out project's MOs to non-bold the subway line. However, I've seen some articles where the lines are bolded however.
Even so, it still causes some sort of confusion in the article text (to me, a least) when the line is referred to in the article. I was thinking: why not surround the route in parentheses (e.g. (Q), (1), (5) or (L))? Would Wikipedia find this acceptable? I mean, the diamond services are referred to diamond service by means of those weird arrow thingies (<6>, <7>). Why not expand these to the regular routes? — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 02:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, is this image( http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=251218) one of the Culver Line ramp as I suspect? ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Does the New Jersey Transit's Meadowlands Rail Line have an official color? Because I'd like to recommend dark blue as the color bar, the same one as that of the New York Giants. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Somebody finally created an article on the LIRR Bushwick Branch. I was planning something like this myself, but I had to convert the sandbox I planned for it into nothing but a station list, that will be good for taking once all the inappropriate stations are removed. ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Somebody deleted the Long Island Rail Road, Metro-North Railroad and New Jersey Transit-style parameters on the infoboxes!! I'm going to bring this to the main WikiProject Trains borad as well! ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I had begun to replace the standard legend in Template:Infobox NYCS with a customized one using Template:NYCS infobox legend. Example: East 180th Street (IRT White Plains Road Line). If someone wants to help me do this to the other articles, I would appreciate it. (I obviously waited until now to say this because I don't trust User:Jimmy Slade with this task.) I have already done all stations north of this one. Otherwise I'll do the task at a later date. Tinlinkin ( talk) 03:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
{{ NYCS infobox legend | service1 = {{ NYCS [SERVICE 1] | time=legend }} | service2 = {{ NYCS [SERVICE 2] | time=legend }} | service3 = {{ NYCS [SERVICE 3] | time=legend | exclude=M }} <!-- "exclude" is another minor implementation issue for myself --> ... }}
I deleted the CRRLI station list sandbox, and decided to concentrate on the whole article for the Central Railroad of Long Island. I admit, I swiped a lot of the text from other articles on lines that were part of it, but please let me know what many of you think of it so far. ---- DanTD ( talk) 17:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Anybody got a name for this small yard on the waterfront of northern Sunset Park? I only found a track leading across Third Avenue and into the Culver Trench (Hmm, how come Wikipedia doesn't explicitly mention Culver Trench?) so I assumed it's a remnant of steam operation on the Culver Line, hence classified it with BMT, but on the other hand it hasn't been electrified so maybe it's NY&A. Jim.henderson ( talk) 19:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
According to http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/sbr.html it's the 39th Street Yard. (By the way, the South Brooklyn was a BRT/BMT subsidiary.) Current trackage can be seen on OpenStreetMap. -- NE2 11:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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