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Are there any exceptional high school articles that can be used as a base for other high schools. I have started the Shawnee High School article and it seems to be limiting information.
What is everyone's opinion on what should be included in high school articles? Here are some things that I think should definitely be included...
Sharpdust 01:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that most (if not all) town articles do not include ZIP codes. Is there a specific reason against adding them, or is it something to consider adding to articles (or possibly something that could be added to "Infobox Template:Infobox Town NJ will be a vertical box on the top right of an article" (from WP:NJ) when it's been created)? MrD9 07:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been looking through a lot of NJ pages over the past few days, and I've noticed that there appear to be recurring missing commas in the first sentences of many articles (and in other places in them). Obviously it's nothing to search pages trying to correct, nor am I trying to make a point out of it other than posting this for future reference for those who are interested:
Again, I do not mean to criticize anyone or anything--in fact, I was amazed when I found WP:NJ and pages for much of the state a few weeks ago (and thank you to all of you for creating them)--especially because I am new, but I just thought I'd mention this. MrD9 08:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Many people, don't follow this rule. Yoda, they would speak like. Time, let us not waste it. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 15:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Again, I was just pointing this out for awareness--I was not in any way trying to correct people or to force anyone to do anything. Howerver, this is not the same as using a comma after every subject. It is simply that years, states, countires, ... technically should be set off by commas. New Jersey has many people, but Teterboro, New Jersey, does not. MrD9 18:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Recently, one of the other projects I'm a member of received a message from a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. They recently began assessing using these criteria, and are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. I already put History of New Jersey on the list. But I figured I'd mention it here anycase anyone else can recommend any suitable articles? Check it out here. -- ZeWrestler Talk 18:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Little Falls Township, New Jersey about the following requested moves:
Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 13:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE: Moves complete. Passaic county municipalities correctly named. // MrD9 06:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Please help save the biography of New Jersey native George Gill Green. He has been tagged for deletion because he is not considered notable. Is it possible that another New Jersey person will deleted from history? Again people are doing a Google search and basing their vote on whether he has been written about by others. With this attitude no new information will be transfered from print to electronic media. Arise! -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Bloomfield Cemetery, Bloomfield has been proposed for deletion. It contains a Governor on New Jersey. Do you think that a cemetery should only be listed if it has at least two notable burials? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to mention (half of you probably saw it already via your watchlists to some extent) that I sort of went on a rampage just now changing as many NJ-related names with "Jr." or "Sr." in them to not have commas. Therefore, Thomas Kean, Jr. became Thomas Kean Jr.. I did this for two main reasons:
I hope this isn't a big deal, but it just seems more fitting, and I think it looks better. One other thing to keep in mind is that when doing it in reverse name order, use the comma. Kean, Thomas, Jr., not Kean Jr., Thomas. // MrD9 04:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I have seen it both ways on Wikipedia, and ironically, William Strunk Jr. has no comma (well, maybe it's not that ironic... I will, however, submit it to MOS (prob. tomorrow). I simply thought removing them would be much easier than trying to go thrhough them adding commas, and if anyone's strongly opposed, I'll go back and revert/remove/add-in-commas. // MrD9 23:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I ended up having time today, so the proposal. // MrD9 00:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Closure? The MOS page is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Senior_and_junior. (A hard page to find. I did not find it via Wikipedia search or browse. I did not find it via Google search directly.) It currently prescribes adding ", Jr." (and ", Sr."), even though ordinals do NOT get commas. I found no discussion of this question over there, so I copied this topic (everything above this paragraph) to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people)#Jr. and Sr. - comma or no comma? ([Please don't comment further on this subject on this page; continue the discussion over there.) -- Whiner01 02:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know where Matavan beach is and if it the same as Matawan, New Jersey? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 20:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone who wants to help write stubs for the State Parks please join in. Don't forget to add the template to each entry: Template:New Jersey Parks. Just click on the template to see which ones are still red. Cheers. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC) (Link correction // MrD9 02:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
Borrowing the idea from Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board, perhaps it would be a good idea to "assign" members of this wikiproject a non-existant article to complete each week as an optional thing? That way, we could probably make our way through the lists covered by WP:NJ. Willing participants could perhaps take a red link from, say List of Governors of New Jersey, and create an article for the red link. Just a suggestion for those willing to do so, AndyZ 23:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
[ blue NJ hourglass-like image. I was on the Parkway a few months ago (or in the summer?), and I saw this blue hourglass-like NJ image a few times on a few signs in about the 140-150 range, I think... I forgot about it, but I just ran across it on this website, and remembered I didn't know what it was. What is it for? I've never noticed it before whenever I saw it sometime since last summer. At first I thought it was some new Turnpike image, but I do not think it is? // MrD9 06:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I see NY has a list -- List of New York State Attorneys General -- should NJ get one? -- Sholom 20:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Help complete the county templates. Just sign your name with four tildes (~~~~) to reserve a county for yourself:
-- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Please view/make further related comments at
/template's talk page's section for county templates. Remember to put anything that becomes "policy" on the
/templates page under "Usage notes."
I spent a few (actually, a lot more than that) hours over the past few days overhauling the templates section of the WP:NJ page. I liked Alansohn's listing of the templates out to verify that they were all there (which is also useful also for comparing "parallel templates" [ones that are about different things but fit the same category, such as the different county templates]). Therefore, because it is useful but becuase the main WP:NJ page was becoming a long mess of simply names of NJ legislators, I created the subpage Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/templates to be a complete enumeration of all of the NJ templates along with a display of each of them. Becuase it's not always handy to look at the main template subpage with all of the templates also displayed, I also created Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/templatelist to be a bare-bones listing of the templates. It should be in the same order as the templates on the main /templates subpage.
This bare-bones listing is going to be (as of now, obviously if you guys hate any of my changes we'll/you'll/I'll/whoever'll get rid of them) shown in the templates section of the main WP:NJ page. However, all comments/debates/questions/whatever regarding templates should be put on the /templates page (again, if I'm being too intrusive or you hate this idea, it's a quick revert). Basically, I liked the way the Manual of Style pages give each subtopic that's large its own page, and I thought this was the best way to deal with the utter mess of a templates section we had. The new /templates main template subpage will also allow for templates (such as the county ones) to be compared, or for things like legislative/congressional/senatorial templatse to be easily verified/updated.
I hope you guys like this. I think it'll work well and be productive/helpful in the long run. // MrD9 04:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Templates located at /templates. Template general discussion located at talk:/templates.
All, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( t c), a WP:NJ member, has been blocked and then subsequently resigned from Wikipedia. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Help needed with image uploads from one user. This is apparently over a problem with image copyrights. I find this highly irregular and outside of the usual process. Many of the images uploaded are from before 1923, so I don't understand why they are being removed in bulk. Please check all NJ-related articles for images removed by OrphanBot ( t c) and re-evaluate their copyright status and source information. If the information appears valid (e.g. image from before 1923, therefore {{ PD-US}}), then please re-add the image to the article(s) it was removed from. Please be sure any image tagged with {{ publicity}} has a verifiable source and has a fair use rationale if you re-add it to an article. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 14:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Tito xd( ?!? - help us) 18:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I've filed for peer review of the New Jersey Supreme Court @ Wikipedia:Peer review/New Jersey Supreme Court/archive2. I would request people who lurk around here to check it out and review it, etc, etc... comment... Thanx everyone. 68.39.174.238 03:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
These are being voted on for deletion. I input the data, I think they are as valid as any other list of geographical entries. They aren't encyclopedic, they are almanacical as are all the lists in Wikipedia. My original plan was to write geographical entries for each cemetery. Please vote to save or delete. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
You can still contribute to a good project in NJ geography. Remember to always backup your data somewhere! Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/Cemeterys
I would like to point everyone's attention to a template I created specifically for use on NJT rail station articles. The template is {{ NJT rail line}} and its purpose is to replace the currently-used {{ rail line}}. Please see the template talk for detailed instructions on how to use it; it is a LOT simpler than the current {{ rail line}} and eliminates the need for piped links. Here's a sample edit which shows the changes necessary to make when doing the conversion. Thanks! lensovet 20:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Please check out List of current and former capital cities in the United States and make sure that New Jersey's capital cities are listed accurately. A word of warning: the page does contain quite a bit of complicated wiki formatting, so if you're not comfortable editing it, just post your changes on the talk page and someone more experienced will apply them to the article. JEK 19:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I've worked for the past month to update Portal:United States and keep it better maintained. Though, I think the Portal:United States would be even better with broader participation. One way to do that is instead of choosing the "selected article" myself each week, if others would nominate articles and help make decisions. (same goes for pictures, though these are stocked up through July 29) If there is anything related to New Jersey (or anything else related to the U.S. - culture, music, literature, geography, history, politics, ...), please nominate. I'd also like people to weigh in on the nominations and help select what should be featured. Thanks. -- Aude ( talk contribs) 23:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello, everybody. I am the bozo who just recently created the new subcategories in the "People from New Jersey" category. I thought that some of you might want to know why they were created, and why they often have so few pages in them.
The majority of the states have "People from [state]" categories which have at least 200 entries, sometimes over 1,000. This is clearly an unworkably large number for anyone wishing to use the category for research purposes. In 8th grade in Rapid City, South Dakota, the social studies class asked us to write, over the course of the year, reports on two or three people who were or had been residents of the city. Because of that, I have reason to believe that they could be used and probably are used for research purposes. To make such research easier, I looked at the list of metropolitan statistical areas and basically entered in one new category for each metropolitan statistical area.
I know that many of these categories might well be, in the eyes of you who know more about the cities in question much better than I do, misnamed or otherwise faulty. I apologize for any mistakes I may have made along those lines, and I would welcome any corrections, including deletion, that any of the rest of you might choose to make. With that in mind, I have also generally populated the categories with only one or two names, to ease in the process of deletion or renaming.
I thought you all should know why these categories were created, and felt some degree of responsibility for letting your know. I wish you all the greatest good fortune in making the coverage of your state in Wikipedia of the greatest scope and quality possible, and I hope that I haven't annoyed too many of you by my recent actions. Badbilltucker 13:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
State and county highways now have their own WikiProject at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey State and County Routes. -- Northenglish ( talk) -- 00:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I was surprised to see that we didn't have a portal, so I just created it at Portal:New Jersey. It just started out so please add any suggestions either on the talk page, tell them to me on my talk page, or just be bold and add what you think would be good to the portal yourself.-- Jersey Devil 23:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, we now have a new template for linking to stations, {{ njt-sta}}! It means that now there is absolutely no need to type piped links into station articles! Check out its talk page for instructions. lensovet 22:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added stubs for the Albany Street Bridge, the Donald and Morris Goodkind Bridges, and the Basilone Bridge. The bridge immediately upstream from Albany Street is an Amtrak/NJT railroad bridge, and I don't know its name (if it has one). So, I just called it "Northeast Corridor". Please feel free to double-check, expand, and keep moving upstream. Wl219 02:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, but I'm trying to find information concerning New Jersey being at the butt end of jokes for no apparent reason, especially when told from the perspective of New York City.
One specific example I can think of is in the first episode of the show Futurama, in which Fry is frozen at New Year's Day 2000 in New York City and is unthawed in 3000 in what has become New New York City. He's looking for a place to live and is having little luck. He does find the perfect apartment, but the real estate agent tells him that there's one catch: It's technically in New Jersey. This makes the apartment thoroughly undesirable to Fry.
If someone directed me to an article, or if one were created, it would be greatly appreciated. Äþelwulf See my contributions. 18:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The 2006 New Jersey State Government shutdown is coming along nicely, but could use the help of more members of this wikiproject. Anyone have any information that they would like to contribute, please feel free to help out. -- ZeWrestler Talk 14:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
This message is to inform the WikiProject that {{ NewJersey-stub}} and Category:New Jersey stubs are being considered for deletion at WP:SFD. The category is currently undersized, meaning it has less than 35 articles. Please populate this within 6 days (July 27th) or the stub template and category will be deleted. If you have a question, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or on the SFD page. Thanks you and happy editing. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 17:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
If anyone's interested, I'd like to lead off a major renovation of the Rutgers-related articles (Rutgers-Newark/Camden especially). A lot need to be expanded, etc. — ExplorerCDT 20:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
As a New Jerseyan, member of this WikiProject, I can say, truly, that I am the only one that has worked on this week collaboration. To be honest, I am quite dissapointed at the rest of the team. Also, I need some peoples to work with me to enhance the Sandy Hook article, and the Long Branch, NJ article. If you don't know about Long Branch, it is a political hotspot regarding eminent domain. I'd like to head the reconstruction of these articles. -- Evan 00:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a group of AfD's for articles relating to the Atlantic County Board of Chosen Freeholders (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlantic County Board of Chosen Freeholders and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Kelly (Freeholder). As indicated on the Freeholder AfD, I believe that the Freeholder article should be merged into the Atlantic County, New Jersey article (to become a redirect), but that the articles for the individual Freeholders should stay, as there is ample material to expand these articles to meet the level of the several dozen other New Jersey Freeholder articles. While I hope that you will support my suggestion, I would like to encourage other WP:NJ participants to express their opinion on the issue. Alansohn 15:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Honestly- COME ON! Let's get some serious work done. If you have done any real large-scale work for the last month, please excuse yourself below, as this comment is undeserved to you, and must be targeted at the lazy ones. I suggest we clear anyone off of the WikiProject who isn't willing to work. Comment below please. Sincerly yours, -[[User:Esoltas|Esoltas] 01:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC).
Wanted to let you know that WP:BIOGRAPHY has added a "work group" called Politics and government, and so wanted to invite you to participate on any biography-type articles. The section for NJ is here and if there's interest, we can beef it up to look like the newly-created Virginia one plange 05:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I started up the article for Geography of New Jersey as per the collaboration of the week. i set up some basic structure based on the landform regions of nj, but it needs a lot more help. so please add on to it guys. -- ZeWrestler Talk 17:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Project participants may be interested in knowing that Geography of New Jersey is up for voting for collaboration of the week again at Wikipedia:Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. Wl219 02:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion taking place regarding whether the List of shopping malls in New Jersey article should be deleted. Accurizer 21:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I first finished the first draft of Speedwell Ironworks and am struggling with how to categorize it. It seems to me we should create a structure of categories for points of interest in New Jersey, but I'm unclear what the right hierarchy should be - maybe there should be several. For example, this particular place could be categorized as:
What do others think? -- Leifern 12:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm writing this here, rather than the Hudson County talk page so it gets a bit more exposure, but I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to add the "recent" problem with vital records from this county, that is, all birth certificates were declared invalid back in 2004.
A safer America: The document problem
Is anyone more familiar with this? Mborrelli 11:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. - Ebyabe 19:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
All, recently municipal articles for Warren County, New Jersey were added to Category:Lehigh Valley even though these locations are outside of the geographical definition of the valley. This also puts the articles underneath the Category:Pennsylvania heirarchy, and I think it will be a source of confusion. There is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania#Lehigh_Valley.3F. Please comment there. Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 04:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
So I happened to just look at the NJ article and realized it's 99 kb long which is huge for an article on Wikipedia. It needs some major attention. In addition, no U.S. state has reached featured article status. We have the History of New Jersey as a featured article and List of New Jersey hurricanes was a featured list, so we probably have the ability to make the New Jersey article featured. I'd be willing to pitch in as I can with clean-up and formatting but I wouldn't be the best choice of writers/researchers. Anyone have thoughts about this? Metros232 21:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I invite all of you to take a look at Paulins Kill, an article I've been working on for a while, regarding a river in Northwestern New Jersey (USA). I should be almost finished with tonight. I wanted your comments, etc. on it before I submitted it for peer review and possibly as a featured article candidate. — ExplorerCDT 22:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I started a page, categories, etc. for assessing articles, so now that the WikiProject New Jersey template has rankings for article quality and article importance...over the next few weeks, we should start ranking them. If any Pennsylvania's creep in there, I largely stole it lock stock and barrel from WikiProject Pennsylvania. — ExplorerCDT 22:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC) See here: Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/Assessment
You wanted to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it. Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. — ExplorerCDT 22:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I took the stub that existed and greatly expanded the article on this South Jersey river in Camden County, the Cooper River. Although it's not of high importance, I'd appreciate if any fellow South Jersians could take a look at this. Aufs klo 22:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed last night, when I finally created the Watchung Reservation article, that not only was there no category for protected areas in New Jersey, it seemed a whole bunch of eligible articles had been created with little or no attempt to include them in WikiProject Protected Areas.
I have remedied some of this, by creating and populating the appropriate category and putting PA project boxes on the talk pages of all the state forest articles. But the state parks still need to be addressed. There's an infobox that can go in all of them, too.
But this is way behind other state projects. There are at least five states where there's a similar category. Be aware of it when you create any more park articles.
Also, would someone consider (If I don't do it), reworking the parks template along the lines of Protected Areas of Pennsylvania so that it at least separates state parks and state forests. Yes, I know that in NJ, unlike NY (and PA too? I'm not sure), the state parks and state forests are run by the same agency. But they're different types of PAs, and should properly be treated separately (Whose idea was it to put all the NJ state forests in the NJ state parks cat, too, FTM?) Daniel Case 18:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, before I list the Bergen County article for good article status, I'd like to get some review by WP:NJ members. Please comment at Talk:Bergen County, New Jersey. Thank you. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 05:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The Paulins Kill, a river in Northwestern New Jersey, is now a Featured Article Candidate. Please feel free to comment, throw your support, or trash the article here: Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Paulins_Kill. Thanks. — ExplorerCDT 17:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it's about time we create a naming convention for cemeteries, churches, and other notable places in New Jersey. I've named some of the articles I've started and on which I am currently working as follows:
I've noticed other cemeteries, churches and places are listed as Name, Town. Some with Town and State. I think we need to organize the name with Town and State. I recently renamed two cemeteries in New Brunswick as First Reformed Church Cemetery (New Brunswick, New Jersey) because their previous name First Reformed Church Cemetery, New Brunswick could have raised confusion with New Brunswick in Canada or other NBs in the U.S. I placed the name New Brunswick, New Jersey in parenthesis for balance and aesthetics. To me, just separating it from the name of the cemetery by a comma is unsightly and unbalanced.
Since there's a level of variation and inconsistency on this issue, I think we need to set out a naming convention for these and other New Jersey articles. — ExplorerCDT 18:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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Are there any exceptional high school articles that can be used as a base for other high schools. I have started the Shawnee High School article and it seems to be limiting information.
What is everyone's opinion on what should be included in high school articles? Here are some things that I think should definitely be included...
Sharpdust 01:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that most (if not all) town articles do not include ZIP codes. Is there a specific reason against adding them, or is it something to consider adding to articles (or possibly something that could be added to "Infobox Template:Infobox Town NJ will be a vertical box on the top right of an article" (from WP:NJ) when it's been created)? MrD9 07:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been looking through a lot of NJ pages over the past few days, and I've noticed that there appear to be recurring missing commas in the first sentences of many articles (and in other places in them). Obviously it's nothing to search pages trying to correct, nor am I trying to make a point out of it other than posting this for future reference for those who are interested:
Again, I do not mean to criticize anyone or anything--in fact, I was amazed when I found WP:NJ and pages for much of the state a few weeks ago (and thank you to all of you for creating them)--especially because I am new, but I just thought I'd mention this. MrD9 08:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Many people, don't follow this rule. Yoda, they would speak like. Time, let us not waste it. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 15:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Again, I was just pointing this out for awareness--I was not in any way trying to correct people or to force anyone to do anything. Howerver, this is not the same as using a comma after every subject. It is simply that years, states, countires, ... technically should be set off by commas. New Jersey has many people, but Teterboro, New Jersey, does not. MrD9 18:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Recently, one of the other projects I'm a member of received a message from a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. They recently began assessing using these criteria, and are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. I already put History of New Jersey on the list. But I figured I'd mention it here anycase anyone else can recommend any suitable articles? Check it out here. -- ZeWrestler Talk 18:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Little Falls Township, New Jersey about the following requested moves:
Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 13:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE: Moves complete. Passaic county municipalities correctly named. // MrD9 06:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Please help save the biography of New Jersey native George Gill Green. He has been tagged for deletion because he is not considered notable. Is it possible that another New Jersey person will deleted from history? Again people are doing a Google search and basing their vote on whether he has been written about by others. With this attitude no new information will be transfered from print to electronic media. Arise! -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Bloomfield Cemetery, Bloomfield has been proposed for deletion. It contains a Governor on New Jersey. Do you think that a cemetery should only be listed if it has at least two notable burials? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to mention (half of you probably saw it already via your watchlists to some extent) that I sort of went on a rampage just now changing as many NJ-related names with "Jr." or "Sr." in them to not have commas. Therefore, Thomas Kean, Jr. became Thomas Kean Jr.. I did this for two main reasons:
I hope this isn't a big deal, but it just seems more fitting, and I think it looks better. One other thing to keep in mind is that when doing it in reverse name order, use the comma. Kean, Thomas, Jr., not Kean Jr., Thomas. // MrD9 04:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I have seen it both ways on Wikipedia, and ironically, William Strunk Jr. has no comma (well, maybe it's not that ironic... I will, however, submit it to MOS (prob. tomorrow). I simply thought removing them would be much easier than trying to go thrhough them adding commas, and if anyone's strongly opposed, I'll go back and revert/remove/add-in-commas. // MrD9 23:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I ended up having time today, so the proposal. // MrD9 00:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Closure? The MOS page is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Senior_and_junior. (A hard page to find. I did not find it via Wikipedia search or browse. I did not find it via Google search directly.) It currently prescribes adding ", Jr." (and ", Sr."), even though ordinals do NOT get commas. I found no discussion of this question over there, so I copied this topic (everything above this paragraph) to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people)#Jr. and Sr. - comma or no comma? ([Please don't comment further on this subject on this page; continue the discussion over there.) -- Whiner01 02:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know where Matavan beach is and if it the same as Matawan, New Jersey? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 20:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone who wants to help write stubs for the State Parks please join in. Don't forget to add the template to each entry: Template:New Jersey Parks. Just click on the template to see which ones are still red. Cheers. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC) (Link correction // MrD9 02:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
Borrowing the idea from Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board, perhaps it would be a good idea to "assign" members of this wikiproject a non-existant article to complete each week as an optional thing? That way, we could probably make our way through the lists covered by WP:NJ. Willing participants could perhaps take a red link from, say List of Governors of New Jersey, and create an article for the red link. Just a suggestion for those willing to do so, AndyZ 23:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
[ blue NJ hourglass-like image. I was on the Parkway a few months ago (or in the summer?), and I saw this blue hourglass-like NJ image a few times on a few signs in about the 140-150 range, I think... I forgot about it, but I just ran across it on this website, and remembered I didn't know what it was. What is it for? I've never noticed it before whenever I saw it sometime since last summer. At first I thought it was some new Turnpike image, but I do not think it is? // MrD9 06:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I see NY has a list -- List of New York State Attorneys General -- should NJ get one? -- Sholom 20:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Help complete the county templates. Just sign your name with four tildes (~~~~) to reserve a county for yourself:
-- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Please view/make further related comments at
/template's talk page's section for county templates. Remember to put anything that becomes "policy" on the
/templates page under "Usage notes."
I spent a few (actually, a lot more than that) hours over the past few days overhauling the templates section of the WP:NJ page. I liked Alansohn's listing of the templates out to verify that they were all there (which is also useful also for comparing "parallel templates" [ones that are about different things but fit the same category, such as the different county templates]). Therefore, because it is useful but becuase the main WP:NJ page was becoming a long mess of simply names of NJ legislators, I created the subpage Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/templates to be a complete enumeration of all of the NJ templates along with a display of each of them. Becuase it's not always handy to look at the main template subpage with all of the templates also displayed, I also created Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/templatelist to be a bare-bones listing of the templates. It should be in the same order as the templates on the main /templates subpage.
This bare-bones listing is going to be (as of now, obviously if you guys hate any of my changes we'll/you'll/I'll/whoever'll get rid of them) shown in the templates section of the main WP:NJ page. However, all comments/debates/questions/whatever regarding templates should be put on the /templates page (again, if I'm being too intrusive or you hate this idea, it's a quick revert). Basically, I liked the way the Manual of Style pages give each subtopic that's large its own page, and I thought this was the best way to deal with the utter mess of a templates section we had. The new /templates main template subpage will also allow for templates (such as the county ones) to be compared, or for things like legislative/congressional/senatorial templatse to be easily verified/updated.
I hope you guys like this. I think it'll work well and be productive/helpful in the long run. // MrD9 04:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Templates located at /templates. Template general discussion located at talk:/templates.
All, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( t c), a WP:NJ member, has been blocked and then subsequently resigned from Wikipedia. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Help needed with image uploads from one user. This is apparently over a problem with image copyrights. I find this highly irregular and outside of the usual process. Many of the images uploaded are from before 1923, so I don't understand why they are being removed in bulk. Please check all NJ-related articles for images removed by OrphanBot ( t c) and re-evaluate their copyright status and source information. If the information appears valid (e.g. image from before 1923, therefore {{ PD-US}}), then please re-add the image to the article(s) it was removed from. Please be sure any image tagged with {{ publicity}} has a verifiable source and has a fair use rationale if you re-add it to an article. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 14:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Tito xd( ?!? - help us) 18:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I've filed for peer review of the New Jersey Supreme Court @ Wikipedia:Peer review/New Jersey Supreme Court/archive2. I would request people who lurk around here to check it out and review it, etc, etc... comment... Thanx everyone. 68.39.174.238 03:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
These are being voted on for deletion. I input the data, I think they are as valid as any other list of geographical entries. They aren't encyclopedic, they are almanacical as are all the lists in Wikipedia. My original plan was to write geographical entries for each cemetery. Please vote to save or delete. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
You can still contribute to a good project in NJ geography. Remember to always backup your data somewhere! Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/Cemeterys
I would like to point everyone's attention to a template I created specifically for use on NJT rail station articles. The template is {{ NJT rail line}} and its purpose is to replace the currently-used {{ rail line}}. Please see the template talk for detailed instructions on how to use it; it is a LOT simpler than the current {{ rail line}} and eliminates the need for piped links. Here's a sample edit which shows the changes necessary to make when doing the conversion. Thanks! lensovet 20:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Please check out List of current and former capital cities in the United States and make sure that New Jersey's capital cities are listed accurately. A word of warning: the page does contain quite a bit of complicated wiki formatting, so if you're not comfortable editing it, just post your changes on the talk page and someone more experienced will apply them to the article. JEK 19:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I've worked for the past month to update Portal:United States and keep it better maintained. Though, I think the Portal:United States would be even better with broader participation. One way to do that is instead of choosing the "selected article" myself each week, if others would nominate articles and help make decisions. (same goes for pictures, though these are stocked up through July 29) If there is anything related to New Jersey (or anything else related to the U.S. - culture, music, literature, geography, history, politics, ...), please nominate. I'd also like people to weigh in on the nominations and help select what should be featured. Thanks. -- Aude ( talk contribs) 23:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello, everybody. I am the bozo who just recently created the new subcategories in the "People from New Jersey" category. I thought that some of you might want to know why they were created, and why they often have so few pages in them.
The majority of the states have "People from [state]" categories which have at least 200 entries, sometimes over 1,000. This is clearly an unworkably large number for anyone wishing to use the category for research purposes. In 8th grade in Rapid City, South Dakota, the social studies class asked us to write, over the course of the year, reports on two or three people who were or had been residents of the city. Because of that, I have reason to believe that they could be used and probably are used for research purposes. To make such research easier, I looked at the list of metropolitan statistical areas and basically entered in one new category for each metropolitan statistical area.
I know that many of these categories might well be, in the eyes of you who know more about the cities in question much better than I do, misnamed or otherwise faulty. I apologize for any mistakes I may have made along those lines, and I would welcome any corrections, including deletion, that any of the rest of you might choose to make. With that in mind, I have also generally populated the categories with only one or two names, to ease in the process of deletion or renaming.
I thought you all should know why these categories were created, and felt some degree of responsibility for letting your know. I wish you all the greatest good fortune in making the coverage of your state in Wikipedia of the greatest scope and quality possible, and I hope that I haven't annoyed too many of you by my recent actions. Badbilltucker 13:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
State and county highways now have their own WikiProject at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey State and County Routes. -- Northenglish ( talk) -- 00:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I was surprised to see that we didn't have a portal, so I just created it at Portal:New Jersey. It just started out so please add any suggestions either on the talk page, tell them to me on my talk page, or just be bold and add what you think would be good to the portal yourself.-- Jersey Devil 23:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, we now have a new template for linking to stations, {{ njt-sta}}! It means that now there is absolutely no need to type piped links into station articles! Check out its talk page for instructions. lensovet 22:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added stubs for the Albany Street Bridge, the Donald and Morris Goodkind Bridges, and the Basilone Bridge. The bridge immediately upstream from Albany Street is an Amtrak/NJT railroad bridge, and I don't know its name (if it has one). So, I just called it "Northeast Corridor". Please feel free to double-check, expand, and keep moving upstream. Wl219 02:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, but I'm trying to find information concerning New Jersey being at the butt end of jokes for no apparent reason, especially when told from the perspective of New York City.
One specific example I can think of is in the first episode of the show Futurama, in which Fry is frozen at New Year's Day 2000 in New York City and is unthawed in 3000 in what has become New New York City. He's looking for a place to live and is having little luck. He does find the perfect apartment, but the real estate agent tells him that there's one catch: It's technically in New Jersey. This makes the apartment thoroughly undesirable to Fry.
If someone directed me to an article, or if one were created, it would be greatly appreciated. Äþelwulf See my contributions. 18:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The 2006 New Jersey State Government shutdown is coming along nicely, but could use the help of more members of this wikiproject. Anyone have any information that they would like to contribute, please feel free to help out. -- ZeWrestler Talk 14:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
This message is to inform the WikiProject that {{ NewJersey-stub}} and Category:New Jersey stubs are being considered for deletion at WP:SFD. The category is currently undersized, meaning it has less than 35 articles. Please populate this within 6 days (July 27th) or the stub template and category will be deleted. If you have a question, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or on the SFD page. Thanks you and happy editing. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 17:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
If anyone's interested, I'd like to lead off a major renovation of the Rutgers-related articles (Rutgers-Newark/Camden especially). A lot need to be expanded, etc. — ExplorerCDT 20:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
As a New Jerseyan, member of this WikiProject, I can say, truly, that I am the only one that has worked on this week collaboration. To be honest, I am quite dissapointed at the rest of the team. Also, I need some peoples to work with me to enhance the Sandy Hook article, and the Long Branch, NJ article. If you don't know about Long Branch, it is a political hotspot regarding eminent domain. I'd like to head the reconstruction of these articles. -- Evan 00:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a group of AfD's for articles relating to the Atlantic County Board of Chosen Freeholders (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlantic County Board of Chosen Freeholders and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Kelly (Freeholder). As indicated on the Freeholder AfD, I believe that the Freeholder article should be merged into the Atlantic County, New Jersey article (to become a redirect), but that the articles for the individual Freeholders should stay, as there is ample material to expand these articles to meet the level of the several dozen other New Jersey Freeholder articles. While I hope that you will support my suggestion, I would like to encourage other WP:NJ participants to express their opinion on the issue. Alansohn 15:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Honestly- COME ON! Let's get some serious work done. If you have done any real large-scale work for the last month, please excuse yourself below, as this comment is undeserved to you, and must be targeted at the lazy ones. I suggest we clear anyone off of the WikiProject who isn't willing to work. Comment below please. Sincerly yours, -[[User:Esoltas|Esoltas] 01:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC).
Wanted to let you know that WP:BIOGRAPHY has added a "work group" called Politics and government, and so wanted to invite you to participate on any biography-type articles. The section for NJ is here and if there's interest, we can beef it up to look like the newly-created Virginia one plange 05:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I started up the article for Geography of New Jersey as per the collaboration of the week. i set up some basic structure based on the landform regions of nj, but it needs a lot more help. so please add on to it guys. -- ZeWrestler Talk 17:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Project participants may be interested in knowing that Geography of New Jersey is up for voting for collaboration of the week again at Wikipedia:Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. Wl219 02:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion taking place regarding whether the List of shopping malls in New Jersey article should be deleted. Accurizer 21:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I first finished the first draft of Speedwell Ironworks and am struggling with how to categorize it. It seems to me we should create a structure of categories for points of interest in New Jersey, but I'm unclear what the right hierarchy should be - maybe there should be several. For example, this particular place could be categorized as:
What do others think? -- Leifern 12:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm writing this here, rather than the Hudson County talk page so it gets a bit more exposure, but I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to add the "recent" problem with vital records from this county, that is, all birth certificates were declared invalid back in 2004.
A safer America: The document problem
Is anyone more familiar with this? Mborrelli 11:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. - Ebyabe 19:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
All, recently municipal articles for Warren County, New Jersey were added to Category:Lehigh Valley even though these locations are outside of the geographical definition of the valley. This also puts the articles underneath the Category:Pennsylvania heirarchy, and I think it will be a source of confusion. There is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania#Lehigh_Valley.3F. Please comment there. Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 04:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
So I happened to just look at the NJ article and realized it's 99 kb long which is huge for an article on Wikipedia. It needs some major attention. In addition, no U.S. state has reached featured article status. We have the History of New Jersey as a featured article and List of New Jersey hurricanes was a featured list, so we probably have the ability to make the New Jersey article featured. I'd be willing to pitch in as I can with clean-up and formatting but I wouldn't be the best choice of writers/researchers. Anyone have thoughts about this? Metros232 21:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I invite all of you to take a look at Paulins Kill, an article I've been working on for a while, regarding a river in Northwestern New Jersey (USA). I should be almost finished with tonight. I wanted your comments, etc. on it before I submitted it for peer review and possibly as a featured article candidate. — ExplorerCDT 22:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I started a page, categories, etc. for assessing articles, so now that the WikiProject New Jersey template has rankings for article quality and article importance...over the next few weeks, we should start ranking them. If any Pennsylvania's creep in there, I largely stole it lock stock and barrel from WikiProject Pennsylvania. — ExplorerCDT 22:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC) See here: Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/Assessment
You wanted to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it. Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. — ExplorerCDT 22:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I took the stub that existed and greatly expanded the article on this South Jersey river in Camden County, the Cooper River. Although it's not of high importance, I'd appreciate if any fellow South Jersians could take a look at this. Aufs klo 22:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed last night, when I finally created the Watchung Reservation article, that not only was there no category for protected areas in New Jersey, it seemed a whole bunch of eligible articles had been created with little or no attempt to include them in WikiProject Protected Areas.
I have remedied some of this, by creating and populating the appropriate category and putting PA project boxes on the talk pages of all the state forest articles. But the state parks still need to be addressed. There's an infobox that can go in all of them, too.
But this is way behind other state projects. There are at least five states where there's a similar category. Be aware of it when you create any more park articles.
Also, would someone consider (If I don't do it), reworking the parks template along the lines of Protected Areas of Pennsylvania so that it at least separates state parks and state forests. Yes, I know that in NJ, unlike NY (and PA too? I'm not sure), the state parks and state forests are run by the same agency. But they're different types of PAs, and should properly be treated separately (Whose idea was it to put all the NJ state forests in the NJ state parks cat, too, FTM?) Daniel Case 18:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, before I list the Bergen County article for good article status, I'd like to get some review by WP:NJ members. Please comment at Talk:Bergen County, New Jersey. Thank you. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 05:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The Paulins Kill, a river in Northwestern New Jersey, is now a Featured Article Candidate. Please feel free to comment, throw your support, or trash the article here: Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Paulins_Kill. Thanks. — ExplorerCDT 17:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it's about time we create a naming convention for cemeteries, churches, and other notable places in New Jersey. I've named some of the articles I've started and on which I am currently working as follows:
I've noticed other cemeteries, churches and places are listed as Name, Town. Some with Town and State. I think we need to organize the name with Town and State. I recently renamed two cemeteries in New Brunswick as First Reformed Church Cemetery (New Brunswick, New Jersey) because their previous name First Reformed Church Cemetery, New Brunswick could have raised confusion with New Brunswick in Canada or other NBs in the U.S. I placed the name New Brunswick, New Jersey in parenthesis for balance and aesthetics. To me, just separating it from the name of the cemetery by a comma is unsightly and unbalanced.
Since there's a level of variation and inconsistency on this issue, I think we need to set out a naming convention for these and other New Jersey articles. — ExplorerCDT 18:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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